Ep 185 Entrevista a Julian

En este episodio decidimos adentrarnos un poco en la vida de Julian Soto; su historia, carrera, vida amorosa y más!

Episode Transcript

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They saw or or speaking to Chile, and only as we can do,

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no chin le temona returns to ichi you hear him welcome to another episode
of no tempona Chile. I'm here that galdean and here I am
with Julian Soto. What a fartbrodium goes very well a little greeting for
everyone how they walk eh hear towatch this first episode, that there is
no heterosexual nor jacko on this side. I wanted to talk to you,

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because, because the people and thesqueals listen, they already have a lot
of time, because listening and seeingChile, because they don' t know
you, then it would be niceto interview you and then knowing letero don
' t beat me, because you' re going to even make me know
myself. There are occasions that yousay and I don' t even know
myself and how I' m goingto tell others about me, but they
' re sure going to come outand, obviously, it' s a

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pleasure for me that the others knowme, because I think it' s
important to be able to connect,so that they see, because I think
what I think, and well,let' s give it away. I
' m a fan of how youthink. I mean, the truth is
we' re getting to know eachother, but it' s pretty cool
that over all these years, becauseit' s a very visible figure in
networks not then, but where you' re going to see when you were

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born what sign you' re whatpex those first trareas we' re starting
out there, well, I'm from the Sinaloa backpacks, I arrived
in Mexico City 13 years ago,that is to say I' m a
northerner, but with Chilango' sheart already and proudly I really have the
flag of Mexico City very high,because I loved these cities from the first
ten minutes I lived here at theairport, I went to the apartment where
I was going to stay and fellin love with the city. Well,
we' ve been here for 13years. I was born on October 2nd,

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nine hundred and ninety- one,that when I arrived in Dad of
Mexico I found out that this isa rather important date two of October,
because of a tragic event that saysin two of October, I don'
t know my idea, but Ididn' t know it in the north,
like we didn' t get thatinformation. Well, here I soaked
a little more of that culture.And, well, I' ve gone
to where the telolco is, too. I got more wet, because,
well, I think it' salways important to know more about our country

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' s history what ignanaras is.Yeah, I' m a pound,
you' re a pound. Ialready had an ex- leader. It
didn' t go well, thatgirl. I' m not ascending pound.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I' m up libra. It'
s the only thing that keeps mehalf balanced, because I' m aries
completely güey ok. But I dochi. In fact, I' m
very agnostic. You remember horoscopes,but I like what they say about my

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sign. It' s a siga. What I' ve heard is
media. You can get along witheveryone. Look for balance, which maybe.
Yeah,' cause I' mconstantly looking for balance like I am.
I think there are black and whiteends to some things, but I
handle myself a lot in the greyones, like I don' t like
to believe myself with absolute reason orlike it when someone wants to impose on
me the reason, even the thingsI have, as well as very solid

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or the bases very grounded in myhead, that this doesn' t have
to be like this. So,I' m always going to be willing
to listen to another point of view, because I think that makes us grow
up and that' s exactly nosquealing you cute to see. I'
d like you to tell me alittle bit about your childhood, that is,
how was that little juliancillo not whatthe first is. I remember that
so it comes to mind when youthink about your childhood, and that'

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s what gets me into trouble.It' s childhood is beautiful. I
can' t really complain. Mychildhood was divine. I thank my parents
so much for the beautiful childhood theygave me. But obviously, also now
that I' m studying psychology aside, I say all the farts that many
of the farts I have right nowcome from childhood, from things I didn
' t know how to interpret atthe time, because as a child maybe

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let' s say you' rea child. I give you a lot
of love and the child interprets it, oh as woe, this is love
and then learn to love others becausein childhood he lived it. Or how
you may feel harassed, not onthe level of what you' re accusing
me of, but you can feelsaturated. I think the most appropriate word
is saturated. Then I can interpretwith that sign of love negatively. So,
today, now that I understand allthat, I' m saying what

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childhood is about. So my childhood, because it was very nice, because
I could experience all this, ofplaying football on the street, of putting
two stones with my colleagues, well, with my friends from the colony,
which to me seems like something superfucking, because when I went to Mexico
City, I never drive in mycar and I never find that on the
street. I never see ah it' s my turn to stop' cause

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there' s kids playing football.Unfortunately, it is no longer done.
I think it' s a fundamentalpart of the person I am, being
able to play on the street,going to have adventures from other colonies and
we' re going to because youfelt it was an adventure when you went
out with my friends from the colonyand we were going to look for another
colony and suddenly we met the kidsfrom the neighborhood of that colony and there
was a confrontation, that is,we were like a tribe of children and

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we confronted another. And from thereit began as all this that we have
talked about history, when a countryentered, it entered a territory that was
not its own and it looked anotherand something very primitive enters into the human
beings we have to confront. Andif we had battles against the children of
the neighboring colones. On the subjectof my parents, this one I thank
very much because they sought to giveme the best academic education possible. The

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truth is that at that time Ididn' t value it. But what
you' re like, it's not a hundred, there' s
not biting the one that' sbiting the wire. Hey wait falcore you
already fucked an east a wire doesn' t expect no total cuts come here
Farcol I' m going to introduceyou to this güey that literally see no
more what beauty is my cat falcoreWe don' t have Adriano Andrés here,

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but he' s falcorrong Son isthe ambassador this white boy. Hey,
fucker, you already screwed up awire. Güey, don' t
you go for the second one.You can' t do that You'
re gay over there. Who knows, because I don' t know,
you don' t know everything.Chido, well, egg, all right.

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Follow him then. I thank myparents so much for giving me the
best academic education. I didn't know how to value it at the
time. I reproached him a lot. Why didn' t he have better
toys, travel clothes. Fact,no, but today I said clearly they
' re striving on we' regoing to pay. I don' t
exactly remember the amount of tuition,but I think it was five thousand pesos
a month. I say right now, I don' t have children,

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because I don' t know howI would pay five thousand pesos a month
just in their academic education, plusfood, plus hospitals. So I,
at the time I said it wasa child I didn' t know how
to value. Obviously, he wasa kid who couldn' t appreciate it.
I mean, I needed a worldto understand what I understand now,
which I thank Mispadres because I'm in a school that I think today
' s salt has marked the personI' m religious. Was it a

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nun school? Yeah, yeah,it was a college of Catholic religion.
The Catholic religion, a school ofnuns, was promoted. But you'
re not Catholic. I' mnot a Catholic at the moment and what
that shock was like. Well,no shock, but that one as I
' m being educated with the VirginMary, but I' m a Christian
and I didn' t venerate itso much then, as I' m
going to try to summarize it superlong, that is, I was in

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that, in that school from 2ndto 3rd grade in Prepa, that is,
many, sometimes even gave me mydischarge diploma for studying so many years.
There, in fact, I hadto live this clash of two faiths
or two religions, finding myself becausemy senior year at that school, when
I was in third grade in Prepa, that' s when I became a
Christian. Then I lived a wholeyear as a Christian. Then I was
the only Christian in a school whereyou were Catholics and it was like standing

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up to one political party when everyoneelse is going to another, that is,
everyone sees you as or char exactly, but then they baptized you Catholics,
they baptized me Catholic. What,in fact, also I was not
baptized as a Catholic since I wasa baby, as it is accustomed to
the Catholic faith, that is tosay that a baby is born and then
they are ratilized. And I wasbaptized at school when I was in my

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sixth grade. This one, becauseat school it was like they found out
I wasn' t baptized. Andit was quite an event. This is
the sisters who were the nuns incharge of our education, like how she
' s not baptized. They talkedto my parents, they gave me a
whole ceremony, and yes, hedoes die. It was hell, I
mean, it was really something thatgave me, that is, I liked

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it was going to happen. Idid, I wanted to get baptized,
which I also liked because it wasmy own decision. I do want to
get baptized, but I was verysorry. Good boy, I say I
' ll stop you soon. Thetruth is, as you say to me,
I was baptized by the Catholic faith. But because no one asked me
aha exact then at the moment inthe I understand that in the Christian faith
I believe they are baptized, buteven a little bit bigger and like they

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do this of John This the exactBaptist who put them to bathe. Yeah.
Yeah? Yeah, actually, Imean, I got baptized again,
I mean, baptized back then,at the Catholic College I was going to.
This was quite an event, asI say to you, I was
very sorry because I was all mycolleagues, all my health, the whole
school, watching me from the juniorhigh school, preparing everyone to lock up

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at that moment, that is,because I think it comes from there a
little bit. He wants to bean actor, because looks are fine father,
this fart is obvious. Yes,I think they say that the one
who studies acting has a need tobe seen also exactly, if we all
human beings, but I think theactor needs it, that is, applause,
has to come to a balanced need, because obviously, if you are

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only for applause without having other thingsto move you there, you already fall
into the vain and you will notsucceed, that is to say you fall
into the void sooner or later.You' re not even going to leave.
Then, later, years later,when I entered the Christian faith,
I was baptized again, because Ihad a greater conviction again. You know

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what happens when I got baptized atthe school that I wanted, but I
also wanted for a need for approvalthat when my classmates found out I wasn
' t baptized, like it feltlike a certain bullying of you, you
' re not baptized at Catholic College, it was like the weird one.
So, yes, I wanted,I wanted for both, so to me
it means the christening, but alsoto be approved, that is, not
to be the weirdo. When Irebaptize the Christian faith, it was not

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for anyone' s need for approval, but it is really in a conviction
of what Christians mean by the baptismof a reborn in Christ Jesus, which
is like baptism, it is likea me letting God enter my life in
a way that I had not leftbefore, because they believe that he has
everything under control. I think he' s directing my life. I believe

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that he has good plans for meand I also want to live for him.
That' s what I' mgoing to tell you. I mean,
ever since we talked about religion,I mean, it' s already
been like two or three times thatwe get out like salts come out wey
makes me want to go to churchmotherfucker. It' s just that he
' s very cocky when you breakup with the concept, it' s

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just not. Unfortunately, there arechurches that do not allow you to break
with that because they want to lockGod in four walls and in a box
that has the label of religion,when you find a place where there is
no such label of religion and yougo for pleasure because apart, you have
fun, because you have fun,you feel good, you find this that
we are all looking for in lifereally, if we start to think,

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we are all looking to feel full, feel round, feel protected. And
there are some who find it inhoroscopes, in energy, in mind study,
in intellectual study is. Others arejust looking for him in other Buddhist
religions, etcetera. And we seesome who seek him in Jesus or in
the Christian faith. So we're all in that quest to feel like
there' s something else, sowe kind of know there' s something

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else. This then touch I'm not touching you guys is so you
don' t eat it. It' s just that he wants to eat
the microphone and he didn' tfuck one anymore and I won' t
see what falcore Aya stayed. Whoeveryou sit here already stays here I see
you I see you I see you. I like to go or when they
ask me, hey, but whydid he give you to go, I
tell you, it' s somethingthat does me good. This is something

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that makes me feel better. Ilearn because, apart from the church I
go to called Mossake, this feelslike it' s not something I feel
like every weekend I learn something newevery Sunday. Every Sunday. I try
to go here, here, inMexico City, and this Church stays in
polanco and is super father, becauseI am always open to learning more.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. I' dlove to be net and I'
ll be right there and right afterwe can make another video. We'
re all talking about this experience.That' d be nice. I'
ll tell you what. I rememberthe Catholic Mass. The truth is,
I didn' t love to go, I mean, I was going from
egg to egg. I was inthe church choir. In fact, there
I had my first boyfriend is nobodyknew, but well, in the end,

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when I was going, I feellike people are going to repeat the
same thing, but not even everyoneis thinking. Okay. I feel yes,
of course I mean, but it' s like repeating and you really
don' t know the moment mydad because my dad is was Gospel,
then he turned backwards than you okto Catholicism. I remember being taken to
the church where there were many childrenand doing like many dynamics. Then I

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really liked going to my dad's church not and my grandmother' s.
But yes, it is very differentas faith, that is, how
they educate in churches. No,yes, and none is better than any
other. I' m not goingto categorize or make a judgment on my
faith. The right one, yoursis not that it should not be so,
even in the same Christian faith thereis the evangelical that the Baptist cost

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her, that is, there areseveral branches. Then I don' t
start fighting like mine is superior tothe others. The others are wrong because
many are left in that what youthink of that. Güey. It seems
to me like that, because Iknow many Catholics who say that this fart
is I have the absolute truth,and all the other Güeys don' t.
And that' s where I sayyou' re doing what the Bible

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doesn' t say. No.Yeah, I mean, like there'
s no congruence in itself, it' s true, it' s like
I said it, I' vesaid it many times, both in videos
and talking to people. I thinkthe important thing is what unites you and
not what separates you in everything andapplies to everyone. We take the faith
out of the way, we putourselves in the workplace. Also that I
join you when I know someone Isay try not to tell you that my

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nature, as a human being,there are occasions that I do not want
to overcome in vanity pride pride pridepride, but I have an act of
conscience in which I say no.I' ll look at what separates us.
I better focus on what unites us, because who tells me that this
person can' t teach me somethingor maybe there are things that are hitting
me, because I have to workthem and I can learn to learn too

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you have to unlearn. It hasn' t been a long time since what
hit you checks you. What hitsyou is you check a person, that
is, it' s almost alwayswhen someone, someone rejected him so much
of your thought. It' swrong and just when that person becomes something
he believes, let' s saywe call him faith again to return to
the subject that becomes Catholic or Christianwhen he wants to point out the others

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of you are wrong, because it' s so long they told him that
you' re wrong that now thathe feels right side, he wants to
do the same thing they did withhim. Ay es strea not only in
religion, i e, in socialmovements and it sounds a little bit like
what is going on. If muchhappens, don' t tell yourself exactly
how much it is, so theyreject you that the moment you think you
own the truth it' s güey. It' s not like you'

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re wrong, it' s notlike there' s a real bastard.
That' s what' s goingon. I have heard it as if
it were the fireflies phenomenon that isto shine I have to turn off others
and then many times it is nota conscious act. I' m not
saying they' re all bad peopleat all. It is an act where
we are made to shine me.You explain when you get a place,

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even introverts want to be noticed,they want to be loved, they want
society to tell them you belong.So many times when you see that someone
is competition this primitive part of thebrain and that it enters our defense mechanism,
it wants to pay the other foryour being seen. Or there are
occasions he says, because I haveto conflict with the other so I can
be noticed. That' s whereI' m going to find my opportunity

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gap and, unfortunately, we don' t realize that it' s not
needed, so the other person's brightness doesn' t make me turn
off. On the contrary, wecan say for example, here we have
two lamps and both have their ownbrightness to pay. This one. Perhaps
it does not turn to make thismore notorious, but when they are both
make the environment even more beautiful,that is, they make those who are
receiving their light have more light.Güey, I love listening to you.

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I have a question from that.It was childhood. Then, when you
grow up, what a fart,that is, when you started for example,
high school prepares that you already startedto like girls. Güey, how
was that transition. In fact,I was very in love from Morrillo,
from Morrillo, in love with him. This one I have a good picture,
I have it in my house inSinaloa, of the first girl,

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unless I have an act of consciencethat I fell in love with, which
was in kindergarten, I remember wewere going to be a dancer. That
' s in kin, in theki, I was going crazy, that
is, in high school, inthe 15th, in kindergarten, I fell
in love with a little girl Daniela. I still remember his name, I
have no idea what his life hasbeen, obviously in the s so that
where he is and this one madea dancer of the Mexican Revolution and that

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they were going to see the mommiesvery Kinder, very much of those parts
of beautiful memories that do not havethe primary. Then I danced with her
and I got nervous, but Inever told her those times that you don
' t say anything, you don' t know, you don' t
have words in your mouth to tellher beyond him to bother her. You
see, when you liked her,you were upset, but I bothered her
pretty much. Nor, as Irecall, was it so intense. This

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one didn' t sit. Nordid I reciprocate like this, super reciprocated,
but not rejected. I was therelike discovering love. She changes my
teacher once and she puts me withanother couple and I remember I danced.
Then I went to the bathroom andit was the first time I cried because
I felt like I was losing love. I mean, it' s all
corny and I get home. I' m telling my mom. I remember
Mom was cooking and I told hereverything. And so, as I remember,

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as every impotent angry thing. Mymom' s going to talk to
the teacher. The teacher I remembermy mom talking. I remember the teacher
laughing and all of a sudden,the teacher was cool to put up with
this girl. And that' swhy I have the picture with her in
the happy dancer and I was alreadysuper happy. She was taller than I
was, because I was then verycute, but I was happy with the

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girl I liked all of a sudden, because obviously the kindergarten is over.
They send me to another school.I don' t remember what happened at
that stage. If I suffered,I didn' t suffer, because I
didn' t see her anymore.He went into another school and I fall
in love with another girl again,like I was always in love. I
was always looking for a girl ofwhom this was the object of love before
my eyes and this girl I like. I liked her from second grade to

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sixth grade. They never walked,that is, when four years. It
was when you didn' t wantto say this you didn' t want
anyone to know that you liked itbecause they were going to kick your ass.
It was when I put the boysaside, if you liked a girl
and asked you a friend, heyyou like girls, not that I disgust
up football. I explained to myselfa lot this topic of girls to up

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to the asterona pesto, obviously,word te boy, the future fart güey
or it happened to Rangerry things sothat if then it starts to bother me
to the girls or you start tomake your team. But finally sex,
put in your case is what youlike. No, but of course you
disguise it from all this. Andthen something like this happened that I have

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meditated on quite a lot over theyears, because at recess I was in
a school, as I repeat,of nuns, where we were like eight
boys and like forty girls. Imean, I was pretty much, I
wasn' t at all balanced tocome from kindergarten where you were. In
fact, we were more boys inthe kinter than girls in layers. A
school, the nun' s schoolwas like the second generation that barely let

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men in. It was for pure, pure girls. That' s why
you went in second grade first andfirst I did it in another school.
Then they change me here, becausemy sister was at that very school.
And so not to turn around fortwo schools is to take the same turn.
They put me in there. Ifeel like it comes about girls are
mostly, but I feel that that' s also a super important part of

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the person who I am today becauseI started living with this female part and,
that is, not just with women, but even with my female part,
to live together more. I explainmyself to having more women how they
are then how to respect them.There is also something that many psychologists study
that is called neurons. Mirror,that is, Darwin called it wherever you
might force what you saw, thatis, the principle of adaptation. So,

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obviously, when they were with thegirls, they watched very much the
behavior of the girls, how theymoved, what they liked. I feel
like it' s a super-important part. When I studied acting,
there was a lot of talk aboutseduction in my acting school. Then I
feel that I could understand seduction ina super natural way, because, as
always with v with girls. Igot used to talking to women from a

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very early age, that is,I almost always had to talk to women.
And also something happened that at recess. My teammates went and played football,
basketball, baisebal. I had occasionswhen I played football, especially when
I joined because I loved football,but there were a lot of breaks that
I had left. The girls wouldsit in a circle and sit like that
in Butterfly and start eating and talkingto the gossip of second grade girls,

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and I was the only man inthe whole school who would sit like that
with them, that is, Iwould sit and talk to them. And
I remember my partners when it happeneda couple of years ago and like when
it started, they started to understandthat there were gays. That' s
how gay julians start telling me,' cause I' d rather be with

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women than men. Oh, ifyou' re a game, I'
m starting to get that kind ofbullying. No, Mames, I never
felt him so hurtful, that isto say, with his desire not to,
because yes or they just told youto just tell me. I will,
I won' t deny it.I felt uncomfortable because it was this
part of I don' t feelaccepted by the bar tribe because of the

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gerpo of men, not because ofthe group of men, that is,
it' s putting the focus onme in a way that I don'
t like that the boys my colleaguesaren' t admiring me, but they
' re looking for the way tofuck me and you follow me, you
follow as I don' t know, i mean, meeting with the girls,

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i kept doing it because I wassitting there one because I liked to
live with the women, i eI liked to talk to them and two
because I said you couldn' tgo, because I was more sorry to
say that there' s the girlI like, i mean, I prefer
that they don' t know thatI do it by sitting next to the
girl that I like to keep tellingme what they want to say. But
I' m after my wish andyou didn' t have all the shags
like behind you Güey. Not becausehe was too skinny, too skinny.

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In fact, those things that I' m sure happened to you from the
elementary school that made the lists,like let' s make the list of
the ten most handsome in the livingroom, and I wasn' t even
in the top five of that list, and I was hurt by my feelings
because not alone not by me sayingit vanity I want to be more handsome
than yes a part yes, Iwon' t deny it, that I

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wanted to be approved, repeated andaccepted, but above all because it was
like uy so. I' mnot going to be appealed to by the
girl I like if I' mnot on the top ten. I'
m not a good match for herand how she' s going to see
me she' s one of thehuffiest güeys. Yeah, yours isn'
t a list of the most likes. I was literal in with the Marists,
but Güey was going to be inthe other extreme. I went with
the Güey men and I say itmyself. Evidently, I probably fell in

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love and everything, but since itwasn' t the same thing aha i
mean, I had to cross overto the bastida that was like he was
in the school of nuns aha therewere the girls that I liked a girl,
but already, because I did likeit. Uh, I mean,
I was in my English class andI loved it It' s called Mirna,
look at you, father I rememberthe name. Okay, I was

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super in love with that wey bitchand I still remember the face of this
girl I met in kindergarten I remember. I mean, I have that photograph
that' s in my house,I have it very fresh in my memory,
I mean, I remember that italready brings colitas, you know the
banners here on the braids, Imean, very very father. And then
what happened. I mean, yousat there, they bothered you, they
stopped bothering you, I mean,what was this transition like? It came

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to a point where it was okay. We' re growing up. The
insults became more and more dense,more hurtful, deeper. I mean,
what did they tell you? Idon' t remember, I mean,
I mean. I just remember itwas about Julian being gay, and that
' s why I got runny.And now to the typical woe, you
don' t have to treat itlike one more girl, because he sits

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with the girls things like that.That' s not what I deserved.
I was told more things than I' m sure, because memory knows that
what doesn' t serve you,throws it for the subconscious or as intensely
into the dumpster. And it's no use to us. No,
let' s not bring him tothe present. I imagine that happened no
no, I don' t rememberexactly, but obviously it hurt my pride,
my dignity, my ego of thatmoment, because I wanted the girl

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I liked above all to see meas an alpha male someone a good match.
And obviously, if in front ofher, the other guys would kick
me out, because I was losingcourage in her eyes, then what did
I do, because it was tostop sitting with them, to play football
with everyone again and again and againuntil they forgot. And when they forgot,

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I went back to sit with her. Because the primary is six years,
but six years of children become eternal. I feel that they lasted a
clear illness life, if I alsothink that I felt it was a life
and something curious happened, already whenwe were in sixth grade, there was
already a stronger sexual awakening, bothin me and in all my companions and

(25:41):
there yes the others, The othercomrades began to sit some I am not
being the whole school invited us,but at least in my living room there
were two or three other companions whostarted to sit with me this in the
little ball of girls. Why.' Cause we started playing little bottle and
you know slapped kiss. So Isaid to bastards now they can understand me

(26:02):
certain, that is literally played.That was the first time you played bottle
and it was the first time,I mean, how was your first but
it wasn' t a kiss onthe cheek, but at that time it
meant a lot. I mean,when you remember your first kiss. Yeah,
yeah, I remember my first kiss. Many years passed after that.
I gave my first kiss until Iwas fifteen and I had it with my

(26:25):
first girlfriend, Cecilia Cecilia, andI don' t remember seeing him in
the movies. Neither she nor Ihad had a first kiss, it wasn
' t two. We had complete. We saw our first kiss at the
movies. And if I remember thatthere were fireworks, wa or two fireworks
I mean those times that what,what, what, what, what fart
I' m in a movie,what' s going on and that I

(26:48):
remember that it' s there.I was like, it was little by
little. Even I didn' twant to force it because I had already
tried it a couple of times withher, that is, kissing her already
told me not too slow this memorythat she told me that and apology.
I don' t know if you' re seeing this I' m going
to say, but her grandmother toldher don' t dress until I don
' t remember what time or evenallowed it. Uh- huh So we
sort of had been engaged for monthsand we hadn' t kissed. And

(27:10):
on that occasion, like we wentlittle to Poquito that in the slap and
I got close and cached we wereslapped until, suddenly, when I kissed
her, that' s like Ididn' t fall twenty, that I
did. He knows I was kissingher, but I fell on the 20th,
but I felt too much pleasure inmy mouth, in my mind,
in my body this one and saidNeta we are kissing and no, that
is, I said what I wasmissing fifteen years, fifteen years. I

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' ll tell you when my firstkiss was, Güey, my first kiss
I gave it I think at fouryears old Güey, yes, Gey,
and I' ll tell you why, I mean. I' m from
eighty- five. In the eighty- nine I still lived in San Luis.
That' s where my sister wasborn and I remember that' s

(27:56):
the name of the girl Miji mijie. I don' t think we know.
I remember very much that I wrappedmyself in the curtains and we kissed.
I don' t know if Isaw him on Güey TV, I
don' t know, I don' t know if I saw my parents,
Güey, I have no idea.But or if she kissed me and
I followed her fart. But Güey, I mean, if my first kiss,

(28:18):
I mean, I remember it waswith this mouth and we were wrapped
in the ones in the curtains andthe cuts. No, Güey, super
noses, Güey le Güey, notfart. Because you know right now you
' re asking me about childhood andthe memories I have. I like to
tell you this. It' ssomething I' m blushing. But my
sexual awakening, that is, becausesexual awakening does not start adolescence to puberty.

(28:42):
It starts when one is three fouryears old, that is, of
course not, as you have itafter the teenage puberta, that is,
it' s all a process,but of course there is a search.
I remember being about three years oldand undressing my sister' s barbies,
because I wanted to know what partshad aba i mean, and I saw

(29:02):
them and grabbed my barbie. Ifyou see this sweet ignore it, but
I grabbed my sister' s barbieand put it close to my body and
felt pleasure. And I remember thisone that you imagined was like her or
not. No, no, shedoesn' t eat my sister, not
at all, okay, no.No, I thought it was you,
not your girlfriend, uh, no, no, no, no, my
sister' s barbies when I wasthree four years old in me, I

(29:26):
don' t know how there wassomething like you mentioned it. Who knows
where that idea came from. IfI saw him on TV, if I
saw two people, I don't know, but I, at the
age of three, have the memoryhere of being in the room when they
left me only three four years,I mean, what I knew about life.
But a barbie like I understood thatit was a female body, I
knew that it wasn' t likeme, I mean, then I did,

(29:48):
I hugged her and I felt things, I mean, I remember the
things I felt and I felt adesire to wake up, I don'
t know if, in fact,kisses are because of a need that everything
that very much from childhood, thatis, because when you' re a
baby you' re not, Imean, if you' ve seen a
baby that' s playing with legoif you put it in his mouth,
that has to do with what everythingyou like you want to eat, that

(30:10):
is, you want to eat it, you want to put it in your
mouth. And that' s whywe humans end up giving a kiss and
then we find pleasure in it.So I remember that I went to the
barbie, the kisser, that is, I was three four years old,
right near the stage, where Iwas with the chupon, the nursery,
that is, it has a lotto do with all this that everything you
like you bring to your mouth.So I was getting close to the barbie
and feeling things, but then thisone turned out like that nobody. Never

(30:33):
that I remember, never did mymom find out, I mean, nobody
stopped me just like this waking upwas diluted. I lived all this falling
in love until now. My sexualawakening came already as an already, understanding
at least a little more of sexas up to sixteen years, that is,
your first time was at sixteen,at sixteen seventeen, because I was

(30:56):
young. Güey, yes, Iwas chamaco cha maco, but still I
was one of the first ones thatI, that I have centered, of
the first of my generation, thatis, my schoolmates. What' s
with this thing I say I livedit very differently because, I mean,
I was the bully, no,I mean, it was me, in

(31:18):
the end, because if I wasfucked by being gay, but in the
end it was then, even thoughI didn' t get out of the
closet it was like ay güey,yeah, I mean, but what about
this pressure of nothing. Mames GüeyI already made it aya egg, not
that I' m already a man, no yes, it' s that,
in fact, the first time,at least what I' ve talked

(31:40):
to all my friends or other menor even women, the first time you
do it a lot because of socialpressure, more than a search for satiety,
I mean, it' s alot. For example, I was
eighty percent at least influenced. Imean, I' ve already done it
so they can see me as meganalready, Mr Macho, something because I
like the guy who was doing it. The first one that did it of
all my comps and that we wereeven witnesses hiding there, because it was

(32:04):
on a trip to Mazatlan. Theyate so we didn' t see them
as they were, but we sawthem go into the room and all of
them, that is, all stuckin the door, that is to give
them context. We went on asports trip to play basketball, more atlanto
the basketball team this school. Wehired him a prepayment for my good We

(32:24):
hired him for all of us.We were, I mean, in the
wake and they were kids, that' s when you see Golden aha,
we were fifteen years old a sexworker. We were 15 years old We
hired a sex trap. If justthen, then he' s here and
everyone before you looks good male ifwe' re going to kiss her together.
And we' re all a teamand we' re juliados. We

(32:45):
all ran, we ran with somecowards, we all ran that we'
re in the room is we wentout the window of the hotel and we
turned it around. Only one partnerstayed, i e alpha male, i
e we all ran every code,all of us, i e we were

(33:06):
like twenty- two children and onlyone stayed. He opened the door to
him He heard, but he avoidedme. She arrived, evidently, because
she came with young men, ifI fart, if I say, they
all ran. But in the end, Güey, I mean, I'
m starting to think about what happenedto him right now. Or that Güey
is underage. But if he ateit or my friend, yes, because

(33:29):
only he was encouraged. Everyone elseI mean and he liked Bardes and my
friend paid him, paid him andthen after that, we all see him
as authority, that is he turnedon him or he was already an important
male figure among him, that isto say he was already like a muck
güey for the fuckers. So,like, when you' re a kid,
it' s important to be goodfor football, to be cool,

(33:52):
or you have to have three things, that is, one of those three,
or be good for football or begood- looking, or be good
for chingazos. And if you haveall three, not male man to see
super alpa what' s going on, for example, is that I see
it that way, that is,you did. But what would have happened
if it had been the other wayaround Wow I mean, they would have

(34:13):
been girls or as a douche bag, or if a douche bag had arrived.
How we were shocked by the factthat a bat had arrived with some
minor güeys, but Güey arrived herea young lady of age, evidently with
morritos. I mean, what adifference there is, there are none.
The chama thing, but right nowif we see it, and it'

(34:37):
s from oh if the child ismore than even the parents throw the child
into having their sexual awakening, evenfrom teams. Güey if there is,
but if you turn it, Güeyisn' t that little. Yeah,
never, I' ve just neverflipped the coin like we' re gonna
see it backwards and that crazy theregets super shocking. That would' ve
been like being put in jail.That Güey, that egg thing. But

(35:00):
if I tell you the way I' m telling you, it turns like
ah what a shit Güey, yes, because they went off the spear,
but because we don' t havemaybe Güey, that is, we see
it from the point of view ofthe males, the men. But in
the end, if there was anabuse, that is, if you think
about it, I say that inthe end Güey doesn' t know how

(35:21):
he was driven, that is becausewe applaud him, we don' t
applaud him waking up from men.But maybe if it had been the other
way around, it would have beenlike Güey, that is, if it
is a, if it considers aviolation, yes obvious, because it'
s more, it' s aviolation of the law, it' s
a voice, it' s abefore the law, it' s an
abuse by age, even if myfriend had consented to it, of course,

(35:42):
I mean, he wanted something,he stayed for something and he went
through everything he did. But inthe end, Güey doesn' t have
the one with the conscience. Güey' s or you' re ready,
because for some reason Güey' sa minor. She' s a real
bastard, I mean, she's a real bitch, but to see
what I' m going to dois she' s cool to be talking
about it because in the end,yeah, I mean, we normalize a
lot of things that maybe Güey,because he' s fucked up. Not
because at the time we saw himshit, but maybe he wasn' t

(36:07):
that cool. Not if we alreadyput it in context, if at that
time it was the epic, uh, it was the event, the event
where we saw converted, that is, it just remained in us, in
our heads, like the moment wesaw a child become a man. And
it wasn' t really the same. Chama as usual cosmomed, because the
only thing that differentiated us is that, because it has already had non-

(36:29):
public relations, but it puts iton a rung like that of Güey,
the experienced ah wey Güey to meis cho, Alfa, I don'
t know what. And if thesame thing had happened with a woman,
what would be fucking Güey the bitch, Güey not, then fucking Güey.
That' s where you realize we' re not on equal terms with men

(36:49):
and women. He' s areal bastard. Güey' s a real
bastard. Yeah, it' snot totally, that is, we keep
seeing it in society, that is, when a man is still changing this
one progressively. But of course thereis a great deal left to change mentality,
because if a man is very womanizinghe is male, Alpha still water
to egg, Güey is not.If a woman has a lot of men,

(37:10):
she' s easy. It isthat explain wey the man acquires value,
the woman loses then just there iswhere there is no congruense and,
above all, because it is anact super hypocritical of in question, of
judgment and prejudice. How about,uh, what was it? It was
good, Güey. It' sgood, like it was, like talking
about it, because finally, people, imagine how many, how many experiences

(37:35):
there aren' t that way yougo again falcore don' t come here
come to call you. The attentionis that and already ate a microphone,
so don' t stay here thisthen just is to talk about it,
because there are n number of experiences, Güey that passed us. Not to
me too at some point my colleagueswanted me to be a table, but
Bastard was underage, but they allwent. And I said I' m

(37:59):
not going to be afraid, no, but it' s already gone there.
But more men than women. Yes, I know the truth, I
mean, yes, I went atthe time when, because everything was coming
to, that is, when Ihad to live, there were experiences between
them by social pressure, why theyall go, because I want to be,

(38:20):
because I need to see, becauseto see what they talk about,
because then you met on Monday witheveryone who had left and it was horrible
not to be in the anecdote,in the background, to see not having
been a witness and that everyone islaughing what they are telling you to be
like because listen you feel silly andyou feel silly. You survived high school
in high school, college. Ithink not, I think I lived it,

(38:45):
yes, I mean, if Isurvived it in stages, I lived
super strong stages, where I thoughtthat in this time, just when you
don' t feel approved you feellike you' re running out of life,
you get a pimp and you don' t want to go to school
because everyone in the barn and youfeel like you' re going to have
the fame for life. This one, but I don' t love this
one. I love taking a lookat my past and remembering my high school,

(39:06):
my high school, my elementary school. I love it even with the
painful. The painful and I don' t want to sound super romantic,
but that' s all super importantto the person I am now. I
mean, just what I' mtelling you about being bullied because I was
gay. Then right now in whatI was telling you. That I remembered
that also the cousin who she iswas no longer my girlfriend, but she
was the first girl we' regoing to make. No, yes,

(39:29):
she was my first girlfriend, butI don' t tell her, because
it was really all like a phonecall that we met twice in life and
the second time I saw her thefirst was to meet us later phone calls.
I got him on the phone,because back in the day he was
kind of mean. So this thesecond time I saw her I was quite
shy, very, very shy,until I could tell you that in excess

(39:49):
or nothing, I want to seeright now, that nothing, that doesn
' t right now. I'm still quite shy, but I learned
the value of courage, he orshe encouraged me. Life comes to me
and if I don' t move, I lose opportunities, I lose people
or I lose anecdotes, then it' s like at least, even though
shyness, even if I feel it, shyness is whether I like a girl

(40:12):
in a joint or in a cafeteria. So, I have to lose not
always. I' m not tellingyou that ten out of ten I go
but you don' t already haveit from Güey before I went zero out
of ten right now and maybe it' s a five of h B because
you' re aware of wey soyou' re already safer from you that
is. Of course you are whatyou look like Güey, that is,
and how you feel not totally thatyou have worked my body to see the

(40:36):
feeling that I have studied enough,that I study enough, then it also
grew in my mind and I cantalk about anything and also in the act
of consciousness itself, so the worstthing that can happen is that I reject
myself. I had to work alot. That' s because you can
see that there are the childhood series. I had the rejection wound. So
that' s why I understood whyI was shy, because just the one

(40:57):
who rejected me had to do withwhat I then knew I felt super helpless,
this little capable, a useless,an uncompetent party. Then I'
d rather not risk seeing if Iwas worth it through someone else' s
eyes. But then with this girl, who was my first girlfriend, but
I didn' t count her asa girlfriend, because it was really a

(41:19):
super ephemeral relationship. When he sawher for the second time after arriving at
her, because I was my girlfriend, but apenitas encouraged me to hold my
hand and I did not kiss herand the first comment. I mean,
she' s going home, we' re all her friends, my friends,
she' s going home, she' s starting to spread to my
friends that I, that I wasgay, because I didn' t dare

(41:42):
kiss her. Then it was likethe first time they broke my heart,
like how I can tell you,because what I wanted to do was be
polite, gentleman, respectful. Imean, it was like I love you
so much and I like how youdidn' t take advantage of it or
didn' t throw yourself or shesaid, oh because she' s gay

(42:02):
no, yes, yes, yes, then it was like that really,
that' s what my friends weredoing there, that hurt me for the
approval of my friends, but itdidn' t get to me coba and
it watered my heart more like itstayed more in my mind. This yes,
it hurt my heart and it wentaway like boom right now that if
I think about something, I willdie of that has happened to me not

(42:23):
exactly the same, but that you' re the one who saw girls from
ah I thought you were gay.What we have talked about on other occasions
from my instagram, from people,from simply living with the community. It
' s like with wolves you're howling, so if you get gassed,
you' re gay and you're gay, so I' m
like the one who said it.I mean, it' s like I

(42:44):
' ve got gay friends who havepure straight friends, and it' s
not like he blew himself up horrosexualfor hanging out with them. I mean,
like you say, we start flippingthe coins, or like a woman
I know because that doesn' texist, too. One woman exists more
in primary and secondary school. Itexisted when a woman had many men and
said ah is half male. Butnow if a second woman with a lot
of men don' t say thatwith a name. This straight guy if

(43:06):
he gets together with the community,if they say he' s gay and
I mean, he' s alreadyslipping to me right now, but if
some memory told me enough you seelife, then I feel like I was
preparing my life for power, sothat not for it to come, it
' s worth me as mothers.But at some point, that is,
as I was listening to you,because if it weighs not or it is
to see if I was weighed tobe told güey, gay, not to

(43:30):
be and I not even to seeif I am gay, if it was
like a stigma güey or at thattime it was like whore güey, why,
because there was no representation as worthyat that time, that is,
the only thing that was on TVwas or marchaparro, not with the east

(43:52):
i e they were parodys, notthe genius of Hermes, with the parody
of Walter market or the waiter this. Not that it was all about making
fun of the gays, so whatyou least wanted was for them to tell
you that you were gay, becausein the end, there was no such
performance, as I tell you today, because Cabrón the Güey of Apple East,

(44:15):
the Director General is therefore gay.No, I mean, there'
s a lot of gay people thatsay Güey that fuck. We are not
fucking, outstanding, yes fair,as you say someone you mean, there
are people who represent those who tellyou no longer everything is shameful, no
longer everything is how it stopped beingthe gay you are as if it were
an insult. It' s justthat before it was just an insult and

(44:37):
the worst thing, Güey had nothingto do with identity, that is nothing.
Güey wasn' t no people didn' t understand that it was an
orientation and that it' s alreadythe same as heterosexual, because just wey
to me, instead of I likemocks, I like mocks. Not anymore,
I mean, it' s notthat different. Yeah, I like
to think about that pretty much.Now, coming back to the subject,
we' re talking about how Ifeel that I prepared my life by putting

(45:00):
myself to the decision to sit withthe girls and let my partners tell me
this, I mean, this firstgirlfriend who told me that because later on
she became the one that I happenedto. That' s why when I
decide to study acting, they tellme again. I mean, once again
like ah it' s going tobe act, why it comes back,
you sure were gay, because I' m in acting never like you said.
Well, they tell me so muchthat maybe they don' t notice,

(45:22):
that they don' t fix,that is, no, no.
I don' t lie just onceas if I did sit down, but
it wasn' t for that reasonthat if there comes a time when,
maybe because they told me, Imean, you imagine Güey because they told
me, you' ve been growingup, Güey, no, I mean,
all the time and they' retelling you and saying and then,

(45:43):
Güey, you bastard, what dicksdo I have? Güey, I mean,
what dicks do I have? Yes, no, just then Güey says
so maybe yes, Cabrón, youalready remember, but I didn' t
remember, because just like I neededto take a dip in my memories of
adolescence and if there was an occasionthat I just thought they told me so
that I won' t be andI kind of stood still like that,

(46:05):
just like there is the statue ofthe thinker S Aha and I was like,
it was really fast. I feltthat the cognitive process was very fast,
but at the same time, veryslow, because, I mean,
I did give myself my time.It wasn' t comfortable. It'
s not that I ran away fromthe answer where if I will be no,
no, no, I' mnot explain myself not if I really
wondered, because I' ve alwayssaid it, I' ll always respect

(46:29):
so much in others, but torespect others I have to respect myself,
given my identity, my desires,my thoughts. I have to be congruent
with myself. I' m notvery consistent with that in my actions.
If I' m wrong. I' ve been told ara is an incongruent,
because there are occasions that I tryto do in all good and I
' m wrong like everyone else.But yes, I seek to be very
faithful to myself then if I thoughtabout it carefully, as I did to

(46:52):
myself as long as I will notbe and even as long as my thought
was I will think about men.I didn' t feel anything, I
mean, it was like ok,I mean, right now brad Pit,
not because he' s a bigbrother. I don' t know what,
but it doesn' t turn meon, no, no, no,
it doesn' t turn me on. And the human being is composed
of thought, emotions, feelings.But there is something that is often talked

(47:15):
about, sensations, that is,when I am talking to you, right
now, I have sensations and itis very important, even when it comes
to talking, because there you realizethat it is this, that it moves
you, that it moves you orthat it doesn' t move you.
So let' s say, nowcomes, let' s say there'
s a girl that I' mgoing to love, that' s going
to make me drool, not onlyis my thought saying that pretty or an

(47:37):
emotion of ay I feel falling inlove, but in the sensations the sweat
in one clutch I can feel coldand in the other heat. I try
to be very aware of just thesecurrents. It' s tingling. Then
I thought. I don' tremember what, what man to think of
at that moment, as I sayI' ll see what. I think,
I' ll think carefully about thatman. Nothing good happened to me
Another not from my colleagues. There' s someone I' m attracted to,

(47:59):
not the net one, no,and I started doing it. I
did it with the girl I likeat the time and felt fire, felt
just tingling what we call butterflies inthe stomach. I said no I'
m thinking. It was nice ofhim to solve it I' m fascinated
by the fact that everybody' sgot the same thing going on with Güey,
whether you' re straight gay orgüey. This is this moment where

(48:20):
you grow up, where you're welcome. If you have to ask
yourself right now, Güey, rightnow, it' s like güey.
Suddenly I see literal a morra orwell, it happens a lot in porn.
I see for no buga and Ilike porno puga wey and I say
oh if I' d be chidoto kick that woman out of me.
No, but fair, just thatpart that' s fine. Güey,

(48:40):
it' s not okay, it' s okay, I' m asking
you, and it' s okay, Güey. If if I beat you,
then fuck you and if I don' t give it to you then
also if I' m from lifewith eggs not with fear, then you
also have to be very brave toconfront you wey which is what most human
beings avoid and yes or yes,I include running from confrontation from all walks

(49:05):
of life, from when you're in relationship, and it will be
that I' m not being agood couple, or it will be that
I still want to follow that couple, but you prefer to take care of
yourself and leave the typical best.I' m going to flow a lot,
you have to flow into life,but you have to identify when you
' re flowing because you want toflow and things give or when you'
re flowing, because you don't want to take responsibility even for yourself.
I' m going to flow sothings fall apart on their own.

(49:29):
It' s a lot to seeI want to see is that it'
s a lot of Latin American culture, at least I don' t want
to, as I don' tknow so much about American European culture.
That' s why I prefer totalk about Latin America, which is what
I can plant myself with because I' m Latin American and because I have

(49:49):
many friends from Argentina, Venezuela andColombia. Then I can speak from experience
aja, from experience in culture,in nuturucar. There' s something about
let' s say that you andI are a couple, but I want
to leave you It' s hardfor us to leave the other one.
But if you' d rather bewith the ex or with or with her
you' d start fucking Güey,what do we do instead of saying that

(50:10):
Güey' s like that? Güeythen nothing happens. I don' t
know that I don' t wantto be what I do, I sabotage
the relationship, I do things foryou to leave me Güey, because I
don' t want to be thebad guy. But in the end I
end up becoming the villain, becauseunfortunately, I end up hurting you when
it was very easy to say youknow what it is when it works.
I' m leaving, but we' re very afraid of taking care of

(50:36):
ourselves and above all, of theother is the reaction and in the end
we end up doing things even worse. Yeah, it' s that example
I gave you, that is,I knew it, but I heard it
from Raúl Quintanilla' s mouth.I loved him because he' s giving
him this Raúl Quintanilla on a tet. Raúl Quintanilla, you' re doing
an expressive workshop ted. It callsnau masters here of Iberian and is talking

(50:58):
about clarity in expressiveness. He's not even talking about relationships, but
everything has to do with me I' m not as passionate as he is.
Because this guy, yeah, he' s a crack. But I
have a book about language how itimpacts society, language, that is,
what makes us different in animals,besides other things, being able to speak
güey. We are societies, becausewhat distinguished us in the early days was

(51:22):
how we could speak. We wereable to make partnerships. Sure. If
we can' t talk, maybewe can, but it won' t
be as we know it today.But who knows why wolves gather together in
a pack, lions gather together ina pack, but we can create buildings,
all for talking. There is eventhe Biblical example, which is also
historical, of the Tower Babel.At what point does society end when not

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everyone, when it is understood exactlyas egg. So the language is asshole
and this sensational thing also speaks alot to him and I have a book.
Oh don' t remember what it' s called to teach a technique
of expressiveness used by the first Kingof England, when they are or the
Nazi war, who was a Tartamudking and he has to give the speech

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of going into war against Nazi Germany. And I, always, when I
remember that, I say the weylife the life is made has an acidic
and black humor put the Tartamudo ie, life chose that just the king
was Tartamudo the one who had togive the most important speech of the present
time in England, wow i e, and thanks toÉllia Winson Churschild,
who are known as the heroes ofthe West, because they allow the Nazis

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not to advance, i e,they are the water parts, yes,
they are the barrier between them fromAmerica and those who confront Nazi Germany.
But I, if I say Güeyto the stutterer that I open give that
and the book that I read islike the cake the technique that woe I
do not have here on the tipof my tongue, which is that they
taught this king. And he's really fucked up, because we have

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to be sentient beings, just combinefeeling, feeling and thinking when talking asshole.
I could literally be listening to gelike that a vergero. Uh,
but he' s fucked up,I mean, like getting to know you
a little bit more in that sense. And I liked how you spun this
fart, because a lot of peoplekind of feel this kind of güey thing

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that imagine how many güey people therearen' t that they' re telling
you, and you' re gay. Maybe they' re not even gay
weys and they buy it güey ormaybe they do who knows güey. I
have no idea, but they don' t experience being, for example,
with a mouth. I never experiencedwey to me all the time, unlike
you they told me I' msure I' m gay. I don
' t love güeyes, but I' m sort of managing this taste for

(53:31):
güey girls right now, like Ikind of get the attention that I didn
' t know then on the Kincyscale, which is how this scale isn
' t güey you' re straightor you' re gay, because maybe
I' m here I don't mean, I couldn' t not
have a relationship. I don't think I' m on that level

(53:52):
as sentimental, but that I couldhave a sexual relationship with the mock,
of course I could upset him.Yes, it' s just that in
the end you' ve already entereda Greek philosophy of falling in love or
of the person, because I mean, I don' t want to be
sexual wise, I mean, I' m completely gay, but in the
sexual sphere, if I could bewith a girl hears with a boy or

(54:14):
with several and several, I mean, it' s amazing what social pressure
can do with our personal identity.I mean, not only our sexual orientation,
but it' s what we endup working on, how many dreams
have not been frustrated of wanting tobe a dancer, I want to be
an actor, especially when you wantto dedicate something to the arts that is
just too much of güey you aregay not and not only that there is

(54:37):
also the great prejudice of you goingto starve. And no one wants to
starve. I mean, they messwith something super inse the intrinse with the
human being, which is anyone Ineed to sleep, eat go to the
bathroom and take them than what Ilike the word socialize, because we also
need not only to catch, butsomething to be love. There are occasions

(54:57):
that a talk is more satisfying thanthe act of definitely truth. In fact,
in James Joyce' s Ulises,I quite like the story of Ulises,
because it just tells how Ulises returns. After many years of not seeing
his queen and that is, many, the queen is already looking for a
new, a new couple, anew king recognizes him. His dog moves

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the tail they realize that then ifit was Ulysses, because she believed,
because he looks like an old bumand says and they and then the Queen
and Ulysses started to make the actof more love that they can make.
Two people were willing to talk aboutwhy I' m already putting something on
the table. Yes or no.Today it is easier to take someone to
bed than to give them three hoursof conversation. Yeah, it' s

(55:42):
easier sometimes to say let' sgo to bed. We finish and bye,
ask for your uber, I askfor my uber But giving someone an
hour of our time to just talktwo hours of your time, not even
three hours is a lot. Imean, I want to spend an afternoon
with you chatting. It' snot around the corner that bastard. It
' s not a big deal.We don' t have a click like

(56:02):
welcome, but yes, how tointimate or connect hey is much more complicated.
And that tells Bauman. There isa book called Liquid Love, which
is like even the socio- economicsystem in which we say it is capitalism,
which has many virtues, but italso has things that have hurt us
even as people. Why we consumepeople, because as we consume objects,

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we want to do the same withpeople, then we get used to the
rush, that is, and thetalks too. That' s why I
have this theory that quite a fewphilosopher opinion leaders speak to you, which
is why it' s just sohard to give someone three hours of your
talk. Thank you very much.The other thing is because even you don
' t feel able to talk,because the talk we all talk about the

(56:46):
phone pure messages and before all thepeople are used to talking, because I
have joked you right now. Yousaid right now, so you remember when
we grabbed the phone and talked alot about the kids or the kid you
like is already my rela. Myfirst relationship was on the phone, the
pure talk and falling in love throughthe tongue. I mean, why do

(57:07):
people talk today if you realize thatI actually charge them, that is,
it' s güey. You talkon the phone and it' s the
new generations, that is, it' s güey. Don' t talk
to me, why dicks you're talking to me or I don'
t know what happened to you Well, one is wick udn I' ve
been given the call and I've been told that because right now he
hangs up I' m sending hima message of what you want, that

(57:28):
is because there are occasions we don' t know. The message has a
virtue. It helps you prepare yourspeech, that is, when I text
you you send me a message.I have time to process my ideas,
to sort them out, and tobe able to answer you in a safe
place when you and I talk.It is, therefore, that as my
thought goes out, I am moretrue the physical talk, that is,
the dialogue. It' s moretrue. That' s really what I

(57:50):
think in the moment. Instead,here' s like how many of us
have deleted a message from no,no, no. I' m gonna
look pretty tough or I' mgonna look good ass. I' d
better erase it and until you squeezeit it it' s exactly bands aha
yes, exactly look. We're closing up. I mean, I
know we didn' t, Imean, we met Julian a little bit
more, but it' s okay. I' ll talk to you,
I mean, and see how you' ve grown, how you develop.

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And finally, for people to listento it, because they' re going
to get to know you a lotmore. Not then, thank you very
much, No man, nice tomeet you, Julian without a pee too.
Chile hears super vugas, so Güeyloves him, he h that,
Güey did it that way eh,but it' s okay. It'
s okay. I' m goingback to heterosexuality. Girls. All right,
let' s go. This wasno Chile. I' m afraid

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of one a. Thank you,Julián, and just and let' s
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or yes, because we also liketo be diverging with exactly it goes,
because we see in the next Chile. You listen there you see