Ep 189 Me dejaron en visto

¿Alguna vez te aplicaron la fantasmal? el famoso Ghosting; cuando simplemente una persona desaparece sin motivo aparente. En este episodio Julian Soto, Axel Alcantara y Quique Galdeano cuentan cómo se siente gostear y que te gosteen. Con la participación del antes conductor del Chile Darío quien vino a contar cómo fue su partida del Podcast hace algunos ayeres.

Episode Transcript

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Pink Box presents. The opinions expressedherein are entirely the responsibility of those who
provide the information and do not representthe opinions or editorial thinking of scandal or
theor. Speaking to Chile, andonly as we can do, no Chille

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Temona returns to welcome to another episodemore than any of Chile' s Enbona.
I am very happy because today comesback a Chile that was in the
most banana season in the Plan TheReturn The Chile. Yeah, yeah,
I went back, I came backto what people thought, I was really

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wondering what. If I had peeledoff with you what, because I had
left the podcast to see talk thetruth that I am going to tell you
this because there in your little house, you could see that in the previous
season, since it should not havebeen called any cute Chile should have called
it fragmented or something, Güey,so that all is fragmented. Yes,

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I ask, super fragmented. Andthe truth is that I had a very
strong crisis of anxiety, of depressionand the truth, when I came to
record, the only thing that happenedin my head was, as you were,
talking about a very interesting subject.I' m not able to talk
about this. The net I feltvery overwhelmed, that is, suddenly I
was so overwhelmed by my intrusive thoughtsthat I said Güey, what a fart

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I am doing here. You know, I mean, they' re talking
about super interesting stuff. I don' t have a valid opinion, that
is, I boycotted myself very badlyand the truth was all because of a
process that I also counted on myYouTube channel to see the video that was
very strong, that the truth isnot in fact here. The first time
I cried was because we were onthe podcast and the net, that is,

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I was very touched by a storya boy told here. This one
I don' t remember, rightnow, his name Mauro and this aha.
And the truth is that for melife was already like a bit full
of bitterness, a lot of sadness, a lot of depression, a lot
of loneliness, and the net wentto clean my head, and then,

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to find in me what was happening. And the net. Today I'
m calmer, happier. Today Ifeel at ease here in the cameras or
what you did and what was thespiritual retreat, or was that the truth
first I went to Canada. Okay, this one and in resti retirement.
Yeah, I mean, I wantedto get out of all this, so

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the atmosphere that' s suddenly veryheavy. The truth is that we live
with a lot of hypocrisy, manyappearances and so on. And the NETA
is that I wanted, because Ireally wanted to give my heart what I
needed, peace, tranquility and,above all, a lot of love.
No and this one I went toCanada and in that process of leaving,
the truth is that, because Ifound myself, I found a lot in

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therapy. This was the best Icould have done. Go to therapy.
If you need to medicate me,tell yourself the net, because then we
' re very afraid of these things. No one knows life, no one
explains to us this kind of situations, because when it started to happen to
me like all this, of panicattacks and so pot I the net didn

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' t know what happened to me, I farted super bastard. I kept
as a state of anguish and muchanguish for many months. I really thought
I was never going out and todayI really am, because the net is
not out. But you say güey, I can handle it now, I
can control it. It' ssomething that doesn' t kill me and

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that, on the contrary, Imean, nobody tells you either that those
mothers aren' t going to killyou, not so that that' s
not going to kill you, butthat it' s just your body releasing
all the fucking tension you' vebeen carrying for many years, especially sometimes
because you don' t accept yourselfwhen you' re morrito that this one

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I don' t have to bemore masculine, less jota and you have
to find yourself in this life.No, but all of a sudden you
' re going to be looking atso many masks and so many things that
they won' t let you getto the bottom. And this is what
happened, what happened, I mean, I got to the bottom. I
was too scared of so many shitsI had on my head. And today,
the truth is, they' realready calmer. They hope it'
s very nice to hear from you, because, I mean, you guys

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met right in an episode of Chile. Now you were commenting yes and in
the end many times we don't know what we bring in the head,
I mean, and finally we suppressmany of these feelings. At some
point I talked about it here inChile not and you can hear it there
in some episode where I tell yougüey, I' m not well,

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I mean, I' m noteven ready to be telling something anymore,
because I' m fucked up.Not then does it happen much until we
realize it. No, I mean, it' s also worth Paul happened
to him, not to say,you know what' s right now.
I can' t and it's very valid and I' m very
happy to have you here well,I mean, you know that we love

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you very much, too, andwhat a shit you' re meeting Julián
here. Julián, Julián, Juliancito, juliancito, and since Axel already knew
him they are no longer part ofthe new chilies. We' re back.
I mean, I know that you' ve seen all this before and
I' m very happy to betalking to you here, and I'
m very happy to be here withyou. But you have to give it
no already or because I' mmodeled no wey it' s cool to

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mention it. It' s goodthat I mean it. It doesn'
t matter age, gender, preference, nothing. Mental health is basic and
the taboo of mental health is basic. Irlor lying down more and more Güey,
no matter what you like or whoyou like. We can all have
farts of panic attacks, anxiety attacksof not knowing where you' re standing.
Güey and withdrawal therapy sometimes medicines help. Don' t be afraid to

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explore that part, to heal Güey, to love each other, and to
be here for some Chile to ambushyou We may still have no importance at
all, but at least try toget someone to bottle you wey not the
net one, the net one asnet. What are we going to talk
about today, boy? Today we' re going to talk about ghosting and
that frank thing we' ve alldone. I think if there' s

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someone who didn' t pay myrespects or who also applied it to us
and it' s not the samething, we' re also going to
talk about it and that it's not the same to make them do
it to you. And well,the ghosting that is when you' re
talking to someone and without warning,without explanation, maybe without justifications, decides
to break all contact, all communicationwith you or you decide it with the

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other person And well, it opensup your life and you good when they
do it to you, obviously,it generates anxiety, uncertainty, lots of
panic attacks, you feel insufficient.I don' t know how we all
like to have things explained, welike to understand life, and when someone
doesn' t give you that,they give you a lot of insecurity.
When you make it a lot oftimes you feel like you' re not

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at that person' s maybe notgonna feel that you live with that hope
of good. First I have toprioritize the other one, because it'
s their topic. If it givesyou anxiety, it doesn' t belong
to me anymore. But I believethat ghosting, just the antidote, hosting,
is the affective responsibility. Maybe I' ve got you stowed, I
' ve got two. He hasmany times that you will count as much
as everyone likes, I will andcome, for you do not fast.

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Neither has Julia, not all ofus, not all of us. I
think when he shows up, you' re meeting someone. I think it
' s one of the most classicexamples. You' re getting to know
someone all right You' re havingfun You' re having a good time
You say, oh, I thinkthat' s what I' ve been
waiting for and suddenly things happen thatdon' t start to feel comfortable anymore.

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Maybe you even met someone else youlike more suddenly you say how I
walk away. We are not usedto speaking the truth in front of us
because of the fact that we havealready spoken in the chapters of we are
afraid to lose, to look bador we simply want to avoid conflict.
We don' t want this introducedto us anymore I don' t want
to be with you, and theother person doesn' t start claiming what

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we prefer to do better than Iapply a broad smoke bomb to the Batman.
I' ve liked people, I' ve rarely liked them. Yeah,
it' s been a couple oftimes. Yes, it has happened
to me that I like them,but what has I Güey learned, that
is to say to set limits,because right now we were. Obviously,
we try to speak with knowledge ofchannel, because at least you look at

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Wikipedia definitions don' t ajá atleast Güey doesn' t mean, you
don' t approach that reference,but this is a current term. Güey
is no more than twenty- somting years old, that is, a
people listen to five years wey onething, one thing like that and go
there' s a mark that startsas from two thousand is. Güey,
i e, it will be abouttwenty years old as communication becomes increasingly intrusive

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in our lives. Güey, we' re connected twenty- seven and we
' ve been globalized all the time. To what does that force you to
have the responsibility to answer to theGüey people? What happens that there are
times that you don' t want, there are times that you can'

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t or there are times that plainlydoesn' t catch your attention anymore and,
apart from the fast of so manypeople you say wey better disappear.
It may be a syndrome or aconsequence of our times if no doubt,
but it doesn' t mean thatI don' t have a solution or
that I don' t have away of looking for it not to be
this way out of affective responsibility,not which I think is the first güey.

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Don' t worry about it rightnow. You say limits güey limit
bangers. Whatever I say in Englishgüey limits, that is, it'
s good cannon and I sometimes haveit like that and then people laugh.
I, in my state of whatsapp, have Güey hours of attention from nine
in the morning to six in theafternoon. If you talk to me before

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00, after 6: 00, Güey, I won' t
answer you. You know, Ididn' t know, because the net
is that it' s okay.Cannon. Yes, of course, it
' s all clear click, noclear wey communicated and have the responsibility that
if you get a message, youhave to answer it. Güey, whatever
a friend or a couple, work, etcetera. It' s connected twenty

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- four seven. It' svery cannony and that' s right now
from this generation and this time.Before a letter took two weeks to arrive
wey a phone call X and itwas not so accessible to that point.
Not right now, we have tounderstand it and we have to define it
and certainly not fall into practice likethis. Güey doesn' t see,
I don' t fall, butthis inevitably all with all the knowledge,

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maturity, emotional intelligence, we're going to therapy. We don'
t know the theory, the talk, we' re going to go on
others we can put to say oh, yeah, no. Don' t
do this. I' m goingto say a wey, that is,
it happens a lot to me thatpeople then think that I' m very
much a sucker, because I don' t answer, but it' s
really a TDH issue. Wey meansif it' s a term on the

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other hand, if it' sa fart of that Güey. I can
be talking to you and all ofa sudden the wey fly starts coming to
me as much more wey messages godown because if it' s Güey and
all of a sudden, because hedidn' t answer me anymore, that
is to say to the people Ihave the confidence to say Güey, If
you don' t answer me,why? Because in the end Güey farts

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me and in the end there areso many messages and many people can think
Güey whore. He just didn't answer me, he just didn'
t give me the time. Ifthere' s a bastard, I don
' t mean right now, I' m already medicated, I swear to
you, Güey, that' sif there was a moment where this neurodivergence
is. If you start getting billed, start your red life. Of course,

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Güey, then I finally have thepeople I' m closest to you
hear you know that if I don' t answer you Güey, yell at
me, there' s no fart, Güey, that is you be on
top of me. So what's going on in relationships? Notice that
I feel that I haven' tobviously been bullied, no, no,

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consciously, but I also think we' re living a moment where we have
very little tolerance for frustration. I' m not saying it' s okay,
but obviously, to see Güey ifhe' s not answering me,
a güey I went out with,because it' s also an answer.
I mean, no, I mean, I' m not wearing Güey either.
Hey, Güey, what a fart, I mean, Güey, you
' re not answering me. Allright, I understand you' re worth

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moms, you' re not interested. And Güey' s already at the
end I' m letting him go. I may, I may feel gacho
Güey, but finally I may protectmyself, if I say Güey, because
I am not going to insist onanything that, obviously, there is no
kind of resocialities, of reprocities,and I think it also has a lot

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to do with this thing about howyour affections, your attachments, no,
that is, how you have attachments, because if you are an anxious person
you join with someone you like güey, how many insecurities it does not generate
you. You' re expertly clear, güey, I don' t mean.
The truth is that I tell you, because it happened to me when
I was suddenly paid for it's like cock don' t suck,

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that is, it says it saysbad, without that I' m bad,
I' m not good. FeelIt' s different now. Not
years ago and it was like whyI' m not enough, what I
' m doing wrong, what Ineed to change. They know, and
suddenly on that road you get lostand you get to points where you say
güey, that is. The onlything I have to put in is very
true what axel limits says and youhave to put limits, limits at all

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times, because you have to takecare of yourself first, of course,
before you can take care of someone, before you can love someone. Güey
and if you like as you sayit is a güey answer or literal,
as well as answering it is ananswer could already be considered in these times
as a güey answer, i ehosting could do a way now, I
repeat, that' s why nomono jerk is going to be pissed off

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with my comments. I could alreadymake an answer in two thousand twenty-
four güey, because I see itas an answer, that is, at
some point I too will look andI will give you an example. I
wrote not this to an ex ofnot this Güey, how are you wey
what fart not Then and suddenly Ifind a tweet where it also says not

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to answer is an answer and thereI fell the twenty I said has all
the ragn Güey, but what littlemother, so you had to see that
is that message when the net canbe very clear. Also, that'
s putting limits is also putting thereal limit. Güey. No, I
don' t become a new assholeor literal, all the reins of the

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situation. Yeah, yeah, dickand maybe it doesn' t hurt.
But it' s better because finallyI say I would have preferred you to
say to my face and hey don' t write me bastard, you don
' t do me well Güey,or you know what Güey. Not seeing
that on twitter, but also watchingon Twitter was also like a good ah,
because it' s okay. I' m not talking to you again,

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but you know what' s goingon. I' ve just come
up with something in between why weapplied ghosting, for example, why I
didn' t tell you. Maybehe looks at the net right now,
I don' t want to hearfrom you. Or I don' t
want to know about you anymore.It' s because we don' t
want to blow out the candles.We prefer to apply the n reappear when
we feel like it and say itwrong. I mean, I didn'
t do anything wrong to you.I didn' t send you too far,

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but I was too busy today.It' s but you' re
gonna be able to understand me.Look, life was passing me over this
one. Then I decide to appearthe candle. Maybe his flame intensity low,
but not sedated. So many timeswe apply ghosting for not turning out
candles. You think Güey. Well, they think they think there' s
the awkward question. They don't think there can be a gender bias

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here, Güey, that is,it' s a practice more used by
a certain gender than by another.I don' t think so or I
don' t think so everyone geydoes it yes truth already you' ve
been harassed by guys, if I' ve been dripped with chavas and I
' ve been dripping too, yesI' ve liked it and I came
teased and we too, I mean, at some point, maybe it would

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be good to bring some woman chilliif you come to give your opinion,
of course, but I don't think you' re biased to the
geno. I don' t thinkanything else is a male practice. If
I say, oh I disappear ifI can believe that maybe that mentality,
if they' re more involved inus men you think. I' m
not going for your best. Yeah, Güey, I' m not leaving
the, uh, leaving the candleon, Güey, oh, now,
now. The thing over there is. She' s not in the freezer

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and see what time I' mtaking her out can' t possibly be.
I don' t know. Wedon' t generalize, but wow.
Those are the questions I want toput to see what Güey thinks and
what people think and what he saysso Chile doesn' t die. I
don' t mean, I thinkit' s worth the table to note
that ghostting doesn' t just applyto questions of trying to intertwine it exactly.
It also exists with the family.You' re jobs. Yes,

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yes, yes, in everything atwork, also in points that is not
necessarily of relationship. It' sjust right now. You don' t
feel like giving yourself the answer andI' d rather give you the silence
to look like I mean, Imean, no, no, no,
the good thing. I always saygüey, that' s the net to
get to the bosting, that's how we got to tell someone hello
how you are, what' syour name I' m interested in.

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I want to go out with you. I think you should also have that
same respect for the person and especiallybecause, as you say, yes,
sometimes we want to leave the candleson and whatever, but I think so.
For me, someone who tells meis no more valuable than someone who
just left the dick. He didn' t tell me anything, he gave

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me the face. No, andhe gave me the face, he said,
hey, you know, I don' t want anything. With you,
I see him with love. Youknow this one you can have a
friendship relationship that a person who inthe long run is only playing with these
kinds of situations and behaviors that inthe end you won' t get anything
out. From there, for example, I got very far away the moment
I started to see that of manypeople who were hosting with their same circle

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of friends, that is because you' re obviously realizing, I don'
t know if it becomes a levelof hypocrisy, but in the end it
' s güey or tell him thatthere' s a fart not to be
and see it from one point,I mean I didn' t have any
conflict between it and neither of thetwo parties in this sense, with how

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they were costing a lot to agirl and I saw it very latent,
especially when they put you in agroup of Whatsapp where there aren' t
many, which is like a newhourly dynamic we' re going to do
as other extra grottos like me that' s what I mean, I don
' t want to be güey.We' re supposed to be like all

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of us and they' re automaticallyalready on you, and they didn'
t ask you anything else and theyput you in a group and if it
was like very complex, because they' re that kind of Güey attitude that
I say, that is, it' s ghosting. No. If there
' s even a meme that makesme laugh enough there' s a group
of your friends in it you're clearly talking and it' s weta

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wey but it' s already givenme anxiety to think just notice that I
tell you one thing I' veleft from before. Maybe yes, because
I cared how much to look goodwith people and today, after many processes
that I have had, I nolonger care about Güey, that is to
say if you want to leave,it' s cool Güey if you want
to go back Güey vas Güey Imean, I think that everyone is in

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this life process where, well,people go, come in your life and
finally you have to let her goI mean, you also can' t
hold on to wey relationships too becausefinally you anchor yourself to things that may
not even exist anymore. Yeah,then we go back to the same thing.
This is this sense of belonging thatnot only happens to relationships, but

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to friendships, often with Güey's work, that is, not that
we feel that things are ours,when we don' t, and besides
you know what the feeling of thisbelonging is. But besides he doesn'
t like to have certainty in lifeGüey in every way. No, and
the other fact that they take awayyour certainty when you don' t know

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what happened anymore. What happened,why? Because it' s the worst
thing that' s man. Thatuncertainty gives you a lot of anxiety and
you say what' s up.I mean, we weren' t supposed
to be friends, we weren't supposed to be in some kind of
relationship. So yes, it movesyou a lot, I mean, totally
agree and ironically it' s tomy point of view, it' s

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certainty. It' s the leastwe have in life, the net right
now, that we should focus on. Well, one of the things people
need to focus on is finding peacein times of anxiety, because you'
re looking for your peace through havingcertain answers, all solved by proof.
We talked about it in another chapter. Life itself is an uncertainty, because
we don' t know the dayor the time when we' re going

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from here. I mean, noone knows. Then they sell life insurance,
but they' re really safe todie for when you' re not,
I mean, you don' tknow when you' re going to,
you' re going to wear itwey, that is, you don
' t even have control in thatwe start relationships in uncertainty of how long
to last and the same in friendship. You and I can decide to make
a friendship today and you have toenjoy it as long as it lasts because

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we don' t know or separatedeath or separate us because I' m
going somewhere else to live. Orthere comes a time when we just decided
to take maybe less, because wehave differences, our lives are taking two
paths. Then we must find peacein times of uncertainty. I think that
' s peace. Wow lan totally. And now ask where the gosting or
stopping communicating is a limit and whereif it becomes Güey ghosting or actually cut

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100 percent communication. Let' ssay it' s the textual definition of
but hear, for example, atwork Güey, you' re with one
person, you' ve got yourboss, Güey, your superior partner,
whatever' s ching and ching andching and king twenty- four seven because
he doesn' t leave you,because you have the phone all the time

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stuck to you at what point isa limit to saying I' m going
to stop answering you, because I' m up to Ti Güey' s
mother. It may not be foreverbut there' s like a scale,
there' s like a Gohsting tabMM, there' s like a I
don' t know, a pricechart from here, if it' s
and from here it' s ahealthy limit. What a big loan,

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Bastard, what a big question Güeyapplies, Because the truth we' ve
all needed Güey, We' veall avoided that pause at some point in
our lives. That one you gotme, Harto Güey. I don'
t want to talk to you who' s a mom dad, boss uncle,
your partner say I' m alreadyHarto, talk about you for a
while Güey, split up so much, not how far that tab could be

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defined. I think you do,you know what. As long as it
' s not rude aha or Ithink that' s what happens to us,
or the fact of the part wejoin the conflict. Yeah, but
I think talking things over wouldn't have to be a conflict. I
mean, I' m from talkingthings over to seeing there' s a
fart. I want to listen toyou, not before anything, and to

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mind our mother, or to beatus, or to get to violence,
or whatever. I think people alreadylisten to us. So, usually,
there may be misunderstandings where maybe whatI did wasn' t expressly to offend
you, but you took it oneway. It didn' t happen to

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me yesterday I didn' t givea comment and all of a sudden I
was just told how aggressive. Igrabbed the phone and went to see it.
I' m saying that in writing. It may be wrong to interfere,
or I understand, yes, Iunderstand how you' re getting it,
but I' m confirming it toyou. On this side. I
didn' t say this for this. Because of this, ah ok,
no, but we already live justlike you said a one like you read

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something is not many times as theperson is saying it. So if we
live in a moment where everything isvery subjective, being that everything has also
been distorted, because just like wehave strayed a lot from feelings, not
in other words, from our realemotions and being able to express them.
People used to be a little bitof the best and most taken away in

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a certain way expressed or angered bytheir rage, their fury. And now,
like, suddenly you also have tohold back a lot from not being
so explosive because you' re gonnaaffect someone. But in that desire not
to be so explosive, you expressit in other ways that are not the
best, the healthiest. I thinkit' s better to sit with someone

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clearly tell them hey, you knowwhat' s happening to me with natigo,
especially if they' re friends,families, relationships, that is.
I think it' s super coolthat you sit down with someone who tells
you the net today you' remaking me feel that, but this is
mine Güey you know, because allof a sudden we want it to be
all we want to be protagonists.It' s from the Güey story and

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hold the other one accountable for whatyou do. Yeah, I' m
feeling this with what you' redoing to me, but this isn'
t your responsibility. Güey, it' s my responsibility, Bastard, to
take responsibility for you and what youfeel, because in the end, Güey
is what you' re always goingto be with, Güey, the other
one goes, the other one comes, can go, you know, but

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you have to be okay with Güeyand then you have to express what you
feel asshole and if you condition yourhappiness at the hands of the other person.
But I don' t think you' re done with Güey, you
' re fried Güey, I mean, you' re not. It happened
to me once that' s whyI was asking to date a girl about,
like, three years ago, twoyears ago. That' s where
we took every mother and from thebeginning, as in other chapters we talked

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about, I' ve already learnedto be a very clear person, very
direct, very honest, from thebeginning say what I can and I can
' t offer what I want andI don' t want to offer Güey
in the tenor of not hurting anyone. So it happened to me that from
the beginning I told you this girlI can' t offer you such a
thing, I can' t besuch, but they live together then you
start to do such a thing?Such and such? And it starts to

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grow? And it starts to grow? And it starts to grow? And
he' s starting to get intoyour life? Dig into your life?
Entering your life? And you startsetting limits. No. Please? Don
' t you? Don' tyou? Please? Don' t you?
Don' t you? Please?It doesn' t keep happening,
it keeps happening until you say Ican' t apologize anymore, but I
told you from the beginning that thiscouldn' t happen and it' s
happening, that I couldn' toffer this and you' re already demanding

(26:25):
it when I told you I couldn' t offer it. Okay. I
don' t know we' regonna end up there, the fuck is
going, we' re done,we' re sorry for the mother a
little bit and she disappears and suddenlyshe shows up again, hey, but
yeah, I want to be yourfriend. I mean, what' s
that healthy Güey measure of saying Idon' t want to anymore and that
' s how I ended up tellinghim and I think a lot you'

(26:48):
re going to talk about and sayit, but in the end and there,
yeah, maybe he' ll throwme a little bit of the floor
to get me up. Maybe notfor any hi Lemon no one always leaves
us to neglect with that the netGüey, because I swear it is a
great exit Güey that ended up beingthe object. I was clear and that
' s the ugly thing Güey isto see and but that' s good
faith I' m going to giveyou an example. I mean, maybe
it' s wrong, Güey,but people, there' s a lot

(27:11):
of people, no, no more, I' m playing here, and
there' s a lot of peoplebringing the momentum to this one. I
mean, we live in a timewhere telling the truth is to people.
He doesn' t like Güey andhe sees you twitter Güey. Yeah,
just watch Twitter I literally am veryincendiary. Yeah, I mean, the

(27:32):
truth is, Güey, my wholeone right now. But one point is,
it' s not even Güey's. What happened? I'
m going to take an example thathappened a few weeks ago. Güey a
while ago with the dredge. Uh- huh. I said Güey, I
told Sam, I said Güey.It seems to me that all dredges,
well, not all. I'm not going to generalize most of the

(27:55):
dredges I' ve seen on showin the dredge most I find very basic.
I don' t mean, inmy opinion, few are those who
have talent for performing arts, whichare performing arts to contextualize, dancing,
acting, singing. I didn't get it together. Lolita polite said

(28:15):
it. I of Güey, theliteral people are not, are not aware
or not, because he does notlike to hear the truth Güey. And
besides, when you show, whenyou show, then you do. But
it also depends a lot, alsothat the güey people want to mean,
to hide in saying Güey, heis not qualified, that is to say

(28:38):
he wants to put to you alabel, so they believe that you are
güey, so you have left,that people see from you you know,
that is, but they don't know the preparation that you have,
that is, they don' tknow the whole way you' ve been,
they don' t know how you' ve been chartered or how you

(28:59):
' ve raised your project and theprojects, that is. The truth is
that people at home can see onlya fraction of what we are the four
who are sitting here and don't start to see everything that is already
advanced so that they can express someopinion. You know no and it'
s very valid any kind of movies. Of course I say, I mean,
what Güey was going to do isthat any kind of opinion is valid
and that whether you take it ornot, it' s your responsibility too,

(29:21):
Güey, and how you take itas well, you know. But,
well, we live in this agewhere we can' t, that
is, we don' t likethat anymore by closing as we don'
t like this example, I mean, I don' t know if it
has to be culturally about whether we' re Latin Americans or Mexicans, where
we have to tell people like Güeywith pincitas, because if I' m

(29:45):
not going to be offended by Güeyor the context we' re living in.
But just Güey' s getting alot off my mind that we can
' t, I mean, wereally live a freedom of expression. I
wasn' t reading wey that's already wrongly said by icing, that
is this organization from America and youcan' t anymore it' s wrong
to say gay or lesbian or gay, because that only encompasses as certain types

(30:10):
of people. And I feel likewe' re getting to a sort of
derogatory, you know, Güey,because I' m gay, that'
s not it, so we're getting more and more involved than we
' re crazy. I don't know what they' re so dangerous

(30:30):
or because every time you go no, no, you won' t see,
you won' t be expression.And I feel that' s what
' s happening to many of usand that' s why many of us
have this kind of depression anxiety stuff. And all this because the net Güey
I mean, you go like puttinglayers and layers and layers and layers to
emotions. Güey you' re makingit all, or name it in a

(30:52):
certain way. You want to disguiseit. You want to when the net
güey hit us, that is,and I' m not hiding from what,
because I suffered Güey, not Güey, I mean, life is that
Güey you go out on the streetyou' re going to get fucked Güey
and there' s not gonna beanyone who defends you bastard. So all
you have to do is say asI say, it' s not ideal,
not Güey, but life is goingto happen and that' s it,

(31:15):
Güey is not the net if someonedoesn' t do it to you
the same life is going to makeyou Güey, you know the uncontrollable.
Of course, life is complicated andcomplex. We' re chilies walking around
the world discovering which fart none.Not everyone' s gonna pick you up,
not everyone' s gonna pick themup. We are different ways of
thinking and just to most wars,most conflicts, for example, right now

(31:36):
you mention this of different ideologies,even different gender, all by ideas,
because I want you to think likeme and if you don' t think
like me, here we have afart, that is, we can'
t live like that, because thenyou' re going to be fighting in
every corner and if the other turnsout to have better arguments, it'
s stronger than you. He can' t take you home. Slutty.
You have to say being open took' s empathy we don' t

(31:59):
think the same. I can thinkabout what you think. Maybe I'
m not gonna change anything, butyou' re happy. Ah, I
' m happy too. As Ithink, keep going to find Chile,
that you get drunk, is returningto hosting, rejecting it. But what
I' m going to do ismaybe the social context or what we'
re living in right now where it' s not that I' m not

(32:20):
going to tell him güey, becauseI think I' m going to hurt
him then, because I' drather not third you and disappear he hears
me. I think it goes alongwith what we were saying a moment ago
where, well, you finally takecare of it, but you don'
t take care of it, butyou think you' re protecting it.
But I better disappear and I don' t hurt him. Not sure,

(32:43):
then what do I think is happening? Güey, what the technological advance,
the advancement of telecommunications, of globalization, which would apparently be allowing us to
improve our communication skills and tools,are showing all the real high fas that
we have what is happening, thatsociety is trying to define more things.

(33:05):
I used to be a güey.You have a king, you have a
president. That güey says it happensand the law is made. Everybody'
s chinging right now, there's more and more, it' s
getting freer, more open, moreso. People are kind of in between.
So I don' t know where, because there' s no one
who comes to tell me is theright thing, this is the false thing
with a hard hand and tell mejust how we don' t want it
anymore, because we don' twant to do those systems that we'

(33:29):
re starting to ah but to seehow we find it between us. Ah,
one way, that is, now, all these words do not offend
now all this. Maybe now.Ghosting is a super- funeable tool because
it has no effective responsibility. OkGüey, since we are showing all the
shortcomings let' s focus on improvingthem Güey. One of them is ok.
If we already have communication 24 pinches, seven, one per limit and

(33:52):
two learn to be more communicative weylearn that your own emotional health and your
own mental health will allow you todo it with others you know. Come
on, sir, now we're talking about the ghosting part. Ah
come on I want to talk aboutthe part that resuscitates it, because obviously
this part can' t fall intovictimization either and taking responsibility for the other,

(34:14):
made me ghosting. He' sthe bad guy. I don'
t, because if you tie upin the cooking, it' s because
you decided to be in that situationwhere they' re making you a costing,
because it' s already recurring.In order to reach the appellant,
you have to put on a littlebit. Then we' re just leaving.
We started this subject of something.That' s where I left quiet.
I' ve already remembered. Thenon- answer is also an answer

(34:36):
the silence that is there also answersyou. I am an actor and some
of us are applied on the stagebased on stimuli. That' s a
scene You slap me, that's a slapped stimulus, but yeah,
all of a sudden, I actwith an actor who gives you nothing that
you can be is a bad actorand is giving me nothing. What you
' re telling me. I don' t believe it. Not the way
he looks at me, he looksat me blank. It' s right
for us to be given that's also a stimulus. You have to

(34:58):
despair You find in yourself that hisnon- reaction, his non- response,
generates things for you. Obviously,acting is what you' re looking
for in life. Don' tlook for it, because it' s
a shock that you' re goingare the attachments we' re talking about.
It would give attachment and the needsand the needs of codependencies. Güey
this roll, which is well damagedcompletely. Then you can' t depend
on the other one answering you,because sometimes we can also believe they'

(35:21):
re ghosting us. And maybe theother person, if she' s too
busy maybe she' s even inthe hospital and we don' t know
it and we' re already ssts puts you having me güey, yeah,
that' s already made you asoap opera, then we have to
be sure who we are. Ifwe don' t like being there so
easy. Like saying good, I' m not for this. I'
m leaving, let' s notleave, let' s not blame each
other. The other may have responsibilityfor what makes us feel. But,

(35:44):
well, in psychology, responsibility isalso handled by the person who feels it,
and that person has to manage.You can' t expect the other
one to come and change and healyour wounds. Oh, I' m
totally gonna see you repeat me againThe responsibility is that this one feels it.
I like you clearly, you're doing that act, but you
can say he' s a bastard. What a bad person it is because

(36:05):
I like it not. I haveto say, okay, what do I
do with this. And then I' m already feeling. It is my
problem to insulate it, my problemto heal it, to solve about maybe
to speak it unclear and also todecide. Listen, you have to decide
the last one, but if youcan say he' s a bastard,
he' s a bastard, buttreat yourself Güey, fair enough, but
I remember you also maybe sent twenty- five million messages that weren' t

(36:29):
necessary, that he wasn' tthere and that were more of codependency and
demand. You just have to Güeywhat you bring that the one who moved
the other person, something that rejectsyou, disappears, disappears because we just
always see the fried rice on theplate of the opposite always answer for the
other. Art to take responsibility foryour things. Not then, by setting

(36:51):
the example of my ex not thatI basically enjoyed it right or wrong,
uh, but in the end that' s that, it' s that
I' m very clear, becauseI never, that is to say,
seeing Güey' s this resurrect ina tweet. It' s a painful

(37:15):
answer, but it' s amother' s chip, too. Güey,
that is, Cabron, you don' t stop being clear anymore,
you don' t insist anymore,so I learned and I finally decided that
clearly. No, that' swhat I realized. Not sure. There
' s a movie called him.He doesn' t like you so much

(37:36):
that they don' t talk aboutthe Gsting themselves, but they talk about
it Interese note, that is,if someone wants to be with you,
if they want to talk to you, they' re going to notice You
also have to be very aware thatyour times or the taste of your times
for me I like to be answeredright away in ten minutes, fifteen minutes
more than an hour. I thinkit' s a lot of your time
and maybe the other just like youare my axel, what do I say

(37:57):
again six. There I answer ands s s and it is very understandable
to reach agreements. They also know, in other words, to reach agreements.
When you start to start a relationshipby saying güey, hey, you
know what it is that I startedlaughing, because it just happened to me
that I' ve been dating agüey, but at first, it happens
a lot to me to have aphone like you that suddenly I don'

(38:21):
t have the phone. I'm putting my stuff up. I'
m going to disappear I answer thecomments of the people who write to me
and so for an hour and thenI leave it. I start doing my
activities. Blah blah blah. Someonewrites to me, I answer it,
then it can be an hour,I answer it again and the güey then
began to tell me just like itdid to me like a tantrum Güey that
I said I' m going tosend it to the dick and I'

(38:44):
m going to go with it,Güey, because the net if I said
it I' m going to voteto fuck Güey, because I' m
not going to be with these grinchitos. But I' ve already started,
like I' ve also started toself- analyze and I said to see
asshole. I mean, I can' t get to the point of telling
the dick anymore either, because Ihave to talk to this bastard. He
' s not supposed to be here. I like you bastard. I didn
' t come in then and Isaid," Hey, you know what?
" I don' t like this. I don' t like the

(39:05):
net güey, that is, ifI don' t answer you, it
' s because I' m doingsome activity and I' m already told
by the güey, as well asby hearing, you know what it is
that twenty minutes pass, an hourand you answer me I said well,
is that it' s my wayof being güey. Yes, of course,
the net. I can' ttell you, I mean, I
can answer you maybe five minutes beingin a chida conversation, but then I
' m farting. Wey I mean, if I fart and get to do
my stuff or talk to someone orI get to watch a video or whatever,

(39:29):
and I' m going mother,no, then I want you to
understand that because I couldn' tbe allowing you to suddenly either, because
you already got angry because you justanswered me as well as super sharp and
sharp, and it was like likea tantrum that I then felt like it
was like a tantrum that had answeredme. I don' t remember exactly
what he said to me, butthis was just like that of ah orale.

(39:52):
Then we talked no and I wrotehim then he hears an apology for
the net. I know the netdidn' t answer you in the time
you wanted, because we' dhad this conversation before. But this one,
because you' re cute late didn' t last the güey, as
well as two days güey, aswell as between this angry aha like you
don' t know and I saidyou know what. That doesn' t

(40:13):
belong to me anymore. But you' re here. You have to get
to this point, not to thepoint of saying good. If this Güey
is like this, I' mgoing to know to what extent I'
m also going to allow how tohave this dynamic that the net isn'
t so nice or open up notand also dialogue and tell him what Güey
is going to be. But youknow, but getting to the point of

(40:34):
also self- analyzing and saying Güey, what a fart. I' m
doing well, what a fart I' m going to be, and I
' m going to hurt too,because you also hurt people when you leave
Güey, that is, when youdrip it, you also have to be
honest. You' re also hurtingyourself, Güey, yes, you know,
that' s because you' rehurting yourself when it comes to not
being honest with you, not beinghonest with you, not setting limits,

(41:00):
you' re going to go mentalGüey, that is, because you'
re saying güey, who knows thatit' s not like you' re
going away and there' s adick, that is, you have to
be thinking, not that there's gonna be a thought, and that
energy is also there, not thatthere' s an energy left in you,
that' s also there, that' s the energy of the person

(41:22):
who' s left overthinking that he' s saying wrong, he doesn'
t have the shit left and he' s got an energy left that'
s cock or yes. I'm hurting him because in the end you
leave and without an explanation and wealso hurt the fish. If you do
it consciously, I mean, there' s a lot of people who don
' t make it conscious, no, I mean, and he' s
a bastard. They' re stillfishing if there should be if people who
or who do it pathologically, Idon' t know for their benefit,
for their benefit exactly that is.I think ghosting is just like flu,

(41:45):
it has symptoms in snot and sneezingand so on. Ghosting is a symptom,
a symptom of what' s goingon, something is failing from some
of the two sides or not necessarilyfailing, but something is being weird from
either side and it' s worthhaving to be evaluated whether it' s
from the other person, you andothers before you get to that measure,

(42:07):
whether flat out what you bring orwhat the other person brings, forces you,
wink, wink and is doing sothat he' s listening to us
Spotify. Wink, wink, makesyou like a person. I' d
like to believe it was already thelast remedy, the last solution you found

(42:28):
for the problem you were having.But it is certainly a symptom that should
not be reached, because there shouldbe effective responsibility and effective communication that allows
you to heal or close things,but close them. But it means how
it should be, no, thatis how to give them the closure,
because yes, as I say,I believe a lot like the energies,
just as you say, that is, all the things you do come back

(42:52):
to you at some point, thatis, independently, then I do believe
that giving you as the closure orat least facing, do not teach us
to face things. Yeah, say, Güey, I' m not interested.
Thank you very much, yes,but aside, I mean, sometimes
we need, I mean, alot of people think that we can have
this kind of closure just in frontof Güey, maybe you can grab your

(43:15):
phone and in a very nice way, tell people you know that I don
' t want anything with you anymore, if you can' t güey,
because I also mean, there area lot of people who don' t
have the courage to sit in frontof a person or the net doesn'
t want to see the person alreadysays it' s already up to this
person' s mother. He doesn' t want to sit in front of
that person and tell him things.You can grab your phone, call or

(43:37):
text it and tell someone to goone way, respectfully, thoughtfully na,
you know not rude was what itis. But there are means, there
are so many güey media, thereare so many media right now to be
able to communicate with you, soas to leave So, what good-

(43:58):
bye as you see Julián Sín sonothing, he is very relaxed, or
above all, I think we justhave to have human beings, dignity and
responsibility for ourselves. To understand thatalso if someone does ghosting, maybe we
don' t have to approve everything. We don' t have to approve
all the practices of others, wedon' t have to justify that they
do tear us apart no, butthat is to say good he has something

(44:22):
that is his way of evading problems. That matter of him I don'
t over- pump with something thatdoesn' t belong to us. All
we can do is do things withourselves. We cannot solve the inner world
of others. Then you won't have to be a better person.
You apply Bosting, because I'm immature to me It' s no
use saying I' m really venting, maybe, but for my growth,
nothing works. What' s goingon? I' m going to have

(44:44):
dignity, I' m going tolearn, I' m going to leave
when I think it' s timeto do it, I' m not
going to learn, I' mnot going to get trampled on and,
above all, I' m goingto have security, because I' m
already thinking. Some people even feelthat they like God. I have known
many people who turn away from Godbecause they say my prayers have not been
answered. All understood, is exo, you think it costs it and

(45:07):
then it' s like no,because there' s no relationship or God
doesn' t exist because he hasn' t answered me. I' m
a Christian. I will give myselfand just yes yes, when it is
like any relationship, not always theother will give you and even God will
not give you what you want manytimes what you need to live in that
moment and we have to learn thatthe other also has the right to reply
and his own decisions that do notact on the basis of what you like.

(45:30):
It is totally very much that thisge the net Güey, that is,
I loved it as an example withGod. I know a lot of
people who do say no, becausethey abandoned me and didn' t listen
to me. And that' swhy Güey doesn' t ching and this
one' s very cocky. Itotally do, I know a lot of

(45:50):
people who don' t see thisfrom Güey. You have to live this
for your soul to heal or foryou to learn and that' s just
what the universe is saying God,like you want to say it, puts
this kind of test on you sothat your soul heals Güey, I don
' t say it that way Isee it and go to the best of
everyone who believes and everything else andeveryone who believes, who we don'
t believe, and so on.But they are all tests of faith Güey

(46:13):
in the end, and proof offaith in your spirituality, proof of faith
in the other person or proof offaith in You Güey, which is the
most important thing, proving that youhave faith in yourself to get rid of
the farts that you have Güey andthat you are not dependent on someone and
that you are not at the expenseof someone else' s decision even more
and when it is God, withall the respect I have for beliefs,

(46:37):
but you are not 100% inyour hands, Güey, because sometimes you
can spend it and the decision willbe left in You or in what you
have to learn or in the experiencethat you have to live for it to
come out that is positive. Fromthat, Güey then have the belief,
the faith in yourself and the hopethat you can get development or the courage
to self- evaluate yourself and sayno here. No. I feel bad

(46:58):
here and I' m shitting theguy who' s asking for help.
Who helps me. Who helps me. Go as a therapist, come one
to a temple, do what youneed to do to find that hope.
I' m not going to tellyou certainty or control, because we said
we don' t have it.But if that faith and the hope of
helping yourself so that these things don' t happen to you again. No,
he' s responsible for one Güey. Being responsible for one Güey and

(47:21):
it sounds very easy, but it' s very complicated. It' s
not a journey of life Güey,that is, we came from an education
where our parents gave them to usall we believe we spent many years of
our life without solving things. Therecomes a point where you say ok I
' m already an adult. Noweverything they did for me I have to
do for myself and we' reasking, wanting to find in each other,
love, security, stability and it' s bro. If you don

(47:44):
' t find it inside you don' t expect to find it outside,
because apart from you, you won' t be able to offer it either.
It' s clear, you can' t use what you don'
t have exactly güey I don't go very well. No. And
in the end, the social constructsthat go our steps affected that others no
longer so much, but that wehave another pile. We have to go
around them and we have to go, that is, learning and breaking up

(48:08):
with questions like these, with talkslike these so that the net is not
taboo. Don' t question thesethings, Güey, and don' t
question why that' s hosting,that' s nothing more ay ghosting,
because it' s ghossting. Theydon' t have a whole background that
comes from one, comes from theother. Such comes the one who led
us there to that symptom, ofthis worldwide communicative disease, to that symptom

(48:30):
is leading us. How you attackhim, from what profile, from what
perspective, from what spirituality, whateveryou attack him, so that they don
' t happen to you, ordo it to you, or do it
is broken shit. How you feltabout coming back. Chavo ah, Güey,
Bienvenita wey chan the charracos. Güey, super well enchanted equal to being

(48:52):
here. The truth is very niceof you and it' s all very
nice to be back here. So, whenever you want here, I'
ll be here now, yes,I can talk, now, I can
work. I give him a lotof Gey now too I' m very
glad we' ll have. Ilove you very much because the net is
sorry. I' m going tomake here a two- north. Sam

(49:13):
del Río, who is here atthe front, come here East, come
Here, Good, Sam, comeHere, Paul here that were good river.
Yes, no, because the truthis that all of you were very
supportive of me, Ar and allof Abriel, all of you who are
here in production, were always verysupportive of me. It was hard times,

(49:35):
really. But, as you say, as we have talked about in
this podcast, we must take responsibilityfor one in all the moments and situations
of life the net Güey, becausewe go in life making ourselves victims,
making ourselves less, doing much harmto us all the others, Güey and
at the same time harming us,harming our whole environment. Not because you

(49:57):
judge the one next to you,judge the other, judge all, and
at the time when you are judgingall, for you are judging yourself,
Güey, because you are treating yourselfas a dick. No and the net
you at my worst moment, thereyou were. I know that I arrived
at the podcast of no Chile makesyou feel at a mental, spiritual moment.
Damn it, Güey, you fuckingbitch and the net come back today.

(50:22):
It' s an honor to me. Güey is a pleasure. The
net one. I feel very happybecause, you can tell the difference.
Güey and right now I' msitting here. Güey, I realize how
much progress you' ve made,and I' m very pleased with it,
and it' s another net,Güey, what would come of it
here. Yeah, there' sresults m so you can talk to the
microphone, but if you give Darioa few words, I' ll say

(50:45):
good, okay, you' rehere. I mean, in the end,
Sam comes for me What I meanis, Güey loves Sam. The
net got sucked up, watered down. Güey, we abandoned him the truth,
that is, the whole thing aboutleaving him on the boat. There,
Güey, I mean, we wereboth pretty fucked up already. He
too, but he was the onlyone who said this ship doesn' t

(51:07):
sink. It doesn' t sinkand it stayed and I admire it.
I love him so much. Irespect him very much also for having that
courage, but because we could notdrink forgiveness. I don' t even
know anything. I know that Ilove you very much and all the people
of no Chile you in boena,because just, that is, last season

(51:27):
was very complicated and that' swhy they didn' t see so much
mother and their comments, that is, the net were worth us, dick,
because first there was the health ofmy friends, in integrity, mental
health and you, because you didn' t have it, didn' t
have the full context just to respectthese processes and because it would be there.

(51:47):
He' s telling you that he' s gone out and that he
' s happy, because that's what matters now. And you guys,
you keep eating, dick, hahajahow rich that I don' t
work for you, it won't cost you, no, because you
guys, I say it' sthis was no Chile Temona. Thank you
Axel Julián for talking here. Isay I know that you are entering this

(52:09):
family that has in my number ofepisodes, but just what we want is
to open the conversation, that allthe people that are there reach new audiences,
obviously for you. But let itbe shown that we can speak no
between now, yes multi- universetotally güey and that, in the end,

(52:29):
the name will remain the same güey, because we will find points where
we do not agree, where,perhaps it does right now, for example,
ghosting ok wey because we may havecome to a conclusion. Maybe not,
but just if he' s gonnaprove something to you, check it
out and check it out and saveyourself so you don' t do it
or do it to yourself. Soit' s simple and I think that

(52:49):
' s something that doesn' tmatter gender, age, sexual preference,
much less. That one' shuman. Güey, you know, this
conversation is so lame. Thank youvery much, Kicky, always for inviting
me that one. Obviously, whenyou guys went to the first Chile last
time, then Güey happy, happythat he was here anyway, I still
got bad. I' m goingto go with you guys, I'

(53:10):
m not coming anymore, I'm not coming anymore, not the truth.
A pleasure and pleasure to live withyou. I love it, I
love it ever since they told methat I was dealing with no bona fide
chilet, because that' s life. You have to accept the other,
You have to love the other,even if I think different, because you
are also different from the feelings aheggs so let' s take worls in
the next episode Chamacos, this wasno Chile tempona