Interview with Will Person_ former Olympic Bobsled Team talking CTE

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good evening everybody. I'm welcome to No Limits. I mean
not being Michael Buffer, but I don't need to be.
I'm me the motors that even had mouth, and tonight
begins a new era as far as we're concerned on
No Limits as we begin to examine CTE, one of
the most underrated and unpublicizeding on a regular basis. That's

(00:45):
what we're looking to do is talk about some repetition
about a disability disorder that must not be taken lightly.
So Candy, why don't you go ahead and give everybody
an idea what the show is going to be about.
And I'll introduce Jennifer horse Bull and we'll person who
are going to be my primary partners in crime here

(01:06):
on this show. So I hope everybody could go out
there and digest us. This show will air every Wednesday
night at eight o'clock PM. We're figuring about the timeframe
as anywhere pay forty forty five minutes as we take
a little bit of this topic and break it down
into a little bit weekend and weak out. There's a
lot to comprehensive. We want to make sure it didn't quantity,
but it's quality, all right, can'ty go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
So we've been talking about this for a couple of weeks.
We were trying to preview and saying there was a
special series that we were going to be starting and
you needed to tune in. Well, I hope you're tuning in,
and if you're not, you can tune in and rewatch
it and tune in next week. But we're going to
be talking about CTE and we normally talk about it
a lot of times with football players, but we're going

(01:49):
to be talking about it in a different sport that Honestly,
I'd never thought about it until you guys came to
us and started talking about this, and I'm like, oh
my gosh, light bulb goes on. Yeah, it really is
in other sports too, especially in the sport we're gonna
be talking about. And I'm not gonna steal the thunder
because I'm going to let you guys do that. But

(02:09):
I am so excited that we're finally talking and bringing
such an important topic to everybody out there, an important
message out there, and we really want to help everybody.
So with that, Scott, I'm gonna let you guys take
it back, take it back, take it over.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Thank you Katie, Well done, and the thing is is, yes, Well,
we'll mention a topic at the end of our agenda
about other sports because I want to bring awareness to
everything we're doing, but leave the main focus on where
and needs of being. That's Will Person and Jennifer Coorse Well,
welcome to No Old Women's. Welcome to South Florida Trivia
Media Network. Glad to have you as partners send this.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate
it means it means the world.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well, it means the world. Jen You've been great to
work with and now we have a finally opportunity to
put work on this and bring this thing. If it
was an if it was als, I would do that too, cancer,
but they didn't come forward. You did. And if there
are those people ever come to me, I wouldn't tak twice.
I'll find a way to get them on the air
or Right now, the focus is on CTE, something that

(03:17):
we hear all the time, and we're going to bring
it to you on all different levels. So but that's that. Well,
I guess we might as well start where we're supposed
to start. I want you to go ahead and tell
your story about how you got to where you're at
and go from there. The floor is yours.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Just so you know.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
There's also we have ALS in our community as well.
So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Is that what is ALS related to a brain injury?
I wonder like I never would have thought of that,
but yeah, yeah, I mean Lou Garrett, you're talking sports, right,
I mean, he's baseball, so but I never I never
thought about the correlation. I've been curious why ALS is
on the rise, because it is on the right. It's

(04:00):
like more people are getting diagnosed with ALS than ever before.
It's in higher numbers and not to you know, go
sideways on already, but you know, something to consider us.
That's you know, let's talk about that on another week.
I'm going to write that down because I think that's important.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, it'd be great. Yeah, no, that would be really
good if you do that. ALS is something I can
tell you right now. You know we can we do.
That'll be a part of what we talk about on
Zoom and how we can incorporate that in. That's why
we have our Monday Zoom calls to set things up.
There's an awful lot here. That's why all we need
is a few topics and as far as I'm concerned
that Wednesday time slot is here in this case, Sole guy,

(04:35):
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best to get back to you. So with that said,
well okay, yeah, well sure tell yourself.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Well one names will person. I spent nine years racing
with tam Usa Bob's lab and you know, I guess.
So what do we want to start here at? The
want to start a word the trauma? We want to start.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Start start with you found yourself? Like here are you here?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
You are living on the floor, Yeah, living on the floor.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
And then how did you pull yourself out?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
There? You go?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Thank you John, Oh, that's a good question right there.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well, actually the truth is, like people make it out
like I did something special, The truth is I did
not when I was on that floor. Like what people
don't know is like I took the mattress out of
my bedroom and I put it on my living room
floor because my CTU symptoms were so bad, Like I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
I couldn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Every night before I went to bed, I had to
put the like a thermois of coffee or bottle of
Coca cola or something on the night stand. I had
to be right next to me Otherwise in that morning,
I couldn't wake up anymore. I just I couldn't get
out of bed before three o'clock if I didn't have that.
And like, I didn't know what it was. I thought
it was diabetes. It looked like I had low blood sugar.

(06:05):
It felt like I had low blood sugar. I've seen
it on diabetics before, but it just didn't make sense
because my doctors kept telling me I was wrong, And
uh yeah, they said I was wrong.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
But talk about a couple of those symptoms. Well, like
what what specifically were you dealing with that kept you
on the floor.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, uh, just no energy. Just I just did not
have the ability to get up out of the bed.
But one of the first things that really hit me
was like, I'm telling you, what was that, Like the
red flags were there, the ref flags were there doing
my racing curve, my my first concussion was two thousand
and two, But like there was things that were happening,
but I just didn't. I didn't recognize them like I

(06:46):
rationalized them, rationalized what I was dealing with, and they slowly,
slowly built up and built up. This thing is kind
of progressive, so it gets a little bit worse over time.
And so the point when I was laying on the floor,
Actually what really happened is my teammate called me Pavel Jiavanovic,
and he wanted to be a writer. So I used
to give him writing tips and he was smart, real

(07:08):
smart guy. And so one day, the last time he
called me, he was speaking this weird gibberish like I
didn't know what he was saying. He might have even
been speaking another weird language. I don't know what it was.
And I just kept saying, you know, I don't understand
what are you saying, And so he got so frustrated
he hung up the phone. Now, my background at that

(07:29):
time is I used to run treatment facilities. Mental health
is my background. I even own one when I first
started with T SAY, I owned the first ever independent
living transitional housing program. I wrote that when I was
about twenty eight years old, and it was new. So
the state opened me as a POLYT program so mental
health is my thing. So I knew he needed some help.
And what I did is I told myself every day

(07:51):
help him. And I don't know how much time went by,
but eventually I got the word that he went into
his family's factory and he hung himself. So he was
one of my fourth teammates that took their life, and
I felt so guilty. I felt responsible because I didn't
do anything.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
And so eventually that's fast forward a little bit. When
his autopsy came out, he was in stage four CTE.
I was told that even the football brains didn't look
as bad as what I was told. The people they
mentioned was Junior Sai and somebody else. I don't remember
who it was, but they said his brain was worse
than those guys. And and so then it kind of
gave me a little bit of peace because I realized

(08:32):
that I if I had I couldn't act. I couldn't
have not helped him. I couldn't help him at all.
And the other thing is when I call myself helping him,
that's when I was living on the floor at the time,
Like that's when I had taken the mattress out of
my bedroom and put in the living room because I can.
I was halfway between the bathroom and the kitchen. I
can get where I needed to. And if something was

(08:52):
ever really wrong, if I need to crawl out that
house and get to the door to.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Get paramedics, I could.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
And uh yeah, but the thing is for me, like
like with a lot of athletes, we have no idea
that we were in trouble, and so a lot of
people aren't recognizing the signs of what this really is.
And so when they show up, oh my god, like
they show up, they show up.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Talk about some of the very distinct symptoms, like the
headaches and the confusion. How you get how you were
getting lost, Like what was all about? Like what was
going on in your head?

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Well before me every day when I finally got that
caffeine and mean got me enough to get me out
of that bed. I used to have a little blue
daily plan I kept with me, and that daily planner,
I would look at the calendar every morning, I mean
every single morning.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
That was a more. There wasn't a Mormon, that Mormon,
not Mormon. There wasn't a morning.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Sorry, I guess I get a little My speech slurs sometime
because it is so there were some mornings. Every morning
I woke up, I had to look at this look
and find out is it Sunday, Monday, Tuesday? What's the day?
I never knew the day. And then after I forget
the day out, then I have to figure out what
month that we're in. And so to me, I was stuck.
It was always January or August, same two months. And

(10:06):
so I was living in this loop. It was a loop.
And this is what gets most of the guys. This
is why these guys are killing themselves. Once you get
there and you start to really suffer, like your mind
is telling you it's time to die, it's you know, suicide,
it's you know, you can't live like this anymore, don't
you know? Don't wake up another day. And so for me,

(10:26):
since I was a counselor, I had a little system
in place. I've started to hundreds of people, and what
that system is. I would tell myself, Okay, if the
day's a good day to take my life, then tomorrow
will be a great day to take my life too.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
So today is.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Monday, so I get to Tuesday, yess what, I'm still
having an awful day. So I say the same thing again,
if the day's a good day to take my life,
tomorrow will be a good day, so it'll take me
to Wednesday. So every day pushed me to a next day,
and that's one of the reasons it helped me to
kind of survive this thing until I found some help,
because there's really no help out there.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
So well, let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Okay, what's what's the life for you? To sleep on
the floor? I mean, I realized that here it was
a convenient way for you to get where you had
to go. It was halfway between you. But sleeping on
the floor, you know, the way you did. I can't
get a lot of credit. At least you're sleeping somewhere
because you try. If you're living on your own anyways,
you're trying to find a way to be independent enough
to be able to survive. You bring up an interesting

(11:28):
point sleeping on the floor.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Well, what I was doing every time there was a problem,
I addressed that problem. Like I couldn't remember stuff. So
I had these big, long eight foot scrolls on my
wall eight foot by like two feet, and I had
writings all over my house on these scrolls. You know,
First I had the book that was gonna let me
know what my day was. Then I get to my scrolls,
it's gonna let me know all my appointments. Because I
wasn't missing appointments. I was missing work, doctor's appointments, and

(11:55):
even dates. I remember one time I made a date
with the lady. We made a date, and so to me,
like the way my brain works, it's like this, like
we both let's say today is Monday. Let's say she says, okay,
let's meet up on Tuesday. To me, Tuesday is like
two weeks away, so I'm never going to be there.
But if you tell me tomorrow, that'll click in and

(12:17):
I can. I can decipher tomorrow. I'll be there. But
if you say Tuesday, you're gonna be all alone. You're
gonna So I was standing people up like it was,
and so I had these irate people calling me, like
you said, we're going on to day and I said,
I did, Yeah, that's Tuesday. Today's Tuesday, Like we just
made the day yesterday, you know. So those are some
of the things that you start to deal with, so

(12:38):
your life spirals out of control. So eventually, if you
look at all the I'm looking at some of the
stories of these guys who took their life, and they're
all were separate, living separate from their wife, right because eventually,
you know, you hear every story that were one of
these players are murdering people are themselves. They all the

(12:59):
people don't say the same thing. They were acting out
of character, you know, they you know, they weren't being themselves.
They were a gentle giant too. They weren't anymore, you know,
And so this thing, it'll make you like you won't
be yourself anymore. You won't recognize yourself because I know I.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Didn't talk talk a little bit William about the anger issues,
the inability to control your emotions and how that comes.
Like were like because you as the person, think you're justified,
right and you're anger, but the outside person talk about
that dynamic.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
One thing that really helped me with that is I
was a counselor so when I worked in youth corrections
at one point, like if that was a right, I'm
the guy they sent in to put the riot out,
Like I know what to say, I know how to
call them the room and stuff. I apologize you whatever
you just asked me. It was just want to write
out the other side of my brain, and that's part
of that's part of my condition.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
So I mean, in truth, that happens to me too, So.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I believe or not.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
That's one reason why I like these guys don't get
treatment because like when I told my family the same thing,
they said, oh, I do that too, So everybody wants
to make a normal thing when.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
But it's not normal.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah I didn't tell you. I also got migraines. Every
day I'm having vertigo.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I don't know what day it is.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I don't know what month we in, Like, yeah, all
the things that they be asking, these football president TV
and the old movies when they get knocked out unconscious,
who's the president?

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I don't know who? What? What's today? I don't know? Yeah?
So yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Mean, and that's that's legitimate because the reason why I
want you to clarify some of these symptoms is so
that other people can start to recognize that maybe one
of their loved ones might be having symptoms like this. Now,
does it mean that they have CTE, No, But does
it mean that they might have a traumatic brain injury
or some kind of a brain injury that that has

(14:52):
been undiagnosed, unrecognized, untreated, maybe it is recognized, but you
forget and you're you don't make the connect between the
intense headaches that that you've been talking about, like you
have and you still have a constant lull of a headache.
It's just a degree of severity, right, Is that is
that fair?

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Headache never goes away, like I had one this morning,
had one last night. But you know, usually it's the
headaches are mild, or the or the migraine. I don't
usually get the ones in the middle too much, Like, but.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
Before you started treatment, how are your headaches?

Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's the migraines. Like the one thing about the migraine
is like they're awful, like and you don't I never
know when they're going to show up. They same thing
with the vertigo. You never know when that's coming. They're
going to show up, and when they show up, like
it's one of the ones where you just you find
a quiet room, preferably a closet, and you close every door,
you turn everything off, and you just silence, silence. You

(15:52):
don't want anything in darkness. Yeah, even smells. Smells are
just make it worse too. Smells and oh yeah, smelling
perfume while migraines there, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Masally, how you bring that out? Because memory I have Alzheimer's.
That's why I got them on this show with you
guys the onset of it, so I know exactly what
you're doing with the One of the reasons I undertook
this project because I'm dealing with is a different form
of what you're dealing with in other census. The migraines,
a headaches, and memory issues just don't go away. So
when I see Jennifer doing an unbelievable job, is really

(16:23):
truly acting like a colo. She is doing a Jimmy Walker.
Things ont diyna mine. But I'm not going to go
out there and scream everybody and get people upset in
a metal frame of mine here, becase I want to
make sure this message is really taken into contact.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
That it is.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
So when you talk about memory vertical, those are important
things that people have to understand. These are things that
we're going to repeat on a weekly basis. This is
not the first time you're going to hear this stuff.
You're going to get used to hearing it on a
week and a week out basis, depending on another things.
Just to get that and continue on. You're doing a
great job.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
I wanted William to talk about because you mentioned Alzheimer's.
Alzheimer's is a form of dementia, and William, I want
to talk about your state of confusion and how you
associated that.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, there's not a doctor who can tell me that
I wasn't in dementia like I had all the signs
like you know, total confusion, all the stories I just
told you lost in my own neighborhood. Let me show
you how simple it was, how crazy it was. I
lived in a place I lived right. Let's pretend this
is a block, right, this is a block. I lived

(17:28):
on this side of the block.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
The stores were on this side of the block. And
so when I got crabbing and confused, I was afraid
to drive. I didn't want to hurt harm anybody. That's
like if I I'd be down, all gone. If I'm talking,
take somebody with me, Like this is my problem. I'm
not taking anybody with me. So I started to walk places.
So in these days, instead of me, I would walk here,

(17:51):
go here, here, Now I'm at the store. Now some
days I'll be at home. I'm about to go on
that walk, and I asked myself, Okay, what if I
go this way, what's over there? I couldn't figure out
what was on the other side of that block. It's
the same thing. But when your mind is gone, you
just can't You don't get to you can't process this stuff.

(18:13):
It doesn't make sense to you. And I know something
is wrong and I just can't figure out, like what what?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
You know? It's so disturbing. It's very disturbing.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, and not only that. You make a great point,
because I'm at a point where I can drive, but
the hesitation where I don't want to hurt nobody comes
in and that's what the psychological ramifications come into play.
And as far as walking out through a little bit.
But so I know what you're trying to do is
you're not only thinking about yourself. You're thinking about the
other person. And that to me is very noble. It

(18:43):
really is. You know, I'm not going to look to
get sued by anybody because I knew I shouldn't have
been doing it, even though I haven't been totally told
I can't drive. It's just something you have to be.
It's called being responsible that you.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Have Well, I didn't care about being sued, but I
had to already have to guild on my teammate.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
His death on my thought, and I was responsible for that.
You know. Yeah, I'll be dog going from my ad
to that list.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I don't want to get shoot either, but the bottom
of mine age want to hurt nobody. To live with
that stuff, somebody to someone in the wound. Sorry, John,
obviously you have to live with it. Go ahead, John, Yeah, No,
I was.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Gonna switch a little bit to get William to what
William described CTE versus a TBI versus hitting your head
versus micro traumas and macrotraumas and all of that.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
What the truth is now that I'm been studying this
thing pretty tough, since like since I woke up from hyperbaric,
you know, I can process things a lot better. I
kind of think it's all the same thing. I believe
it's all. I'm sorry, I'm pretty sure the doctors are
going to argue with me on that, but I really believe,
like every time you get a head injury and you

(19:53):
don't treat it, it's gonna eventually go somewhere. You have,
like any muscle you pull, the muscle you turn a muscle.
After that muscle heels, you got scar tissue. Now you
got to go on there. And this is what they
do to It's at the Olympic training center. They give
you a towel and they said, here, bite this, and
they going there with an elbow and they just dig
in there and they dig and dig and dig. But
the brain injury, it is the only injury injury I've

(20:14):
ever had over my I started competing when I was eleven.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
I retired at thirty six.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
It's the only inn injury I've ever had where there
was no treatment other than co sit down and you know,
don't go to sleep for the first hour or two.
You know, that's the only treatment. Okay, what about the
scar tssue from the injury in there? How do we
break that up? So what I really think is like
until I got into that chamber and allowed that bluff
flow to get back where it belongs, and it woke
me back up, because before that there was absolutely nothing

(20:42):
that doctors could tell me or do for me, or
anything that I researched on the internet. Like it was Yeah,
And like I was speaking with a football player today
and he was mentioning about he think he might be
have adult ADHD. And I was like, and I listened
to his whole story and I was like, but I'm
so glad we're here talking day and I shared my

(21:02):
symptoms with them.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Identical. They're identical.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
You know, I thought I had the same thing because
I couldn't focus for a while, and you start thinking, Okay,
maybe this is ADHD. I want to got evaluated. They
gave me an adderall. You know, I took that pill.
That didn't make a difference. It didn't make a difference
at all. I have what I have and so like,
you're not gonna take a pill that's not going to
make this thing go away. That's it's just not how
it works. So that's one of those symptoms that I

(21:29):
you know that you mentioned, I think is so important
because I forget about that one.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, Scott, okay, Yeah, So let's move this thing out
a little bit towards bob funding, Okay, in general, because
I know it's very part of fat und you guys,
excuse me contacting me. Bob Funny. Never thought about it.
Then all of a sudden, Jann and I started talking
about it and just made so much sense. And then
from bob funding we'll talk about who you've mentored that

(21:54):
we'll go to our sports example and that'll be our
first night going at Jen. Continue to do contribute along
the way you're doing real well, well, let's talk about
bossa general. What do you think it'd be part picture
of your hanging hand for the first time? Why there's
box funning such a big contributor of what CT is
that most people don't realize.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah, I was up for you.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Jim, that's yours. I mean, I'm going to guide you.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I tell you what man, I tell you. One of
the funniest things. Uh, it's actually I get some comedy
out of this one. When people hear my story, they
be like, then you wear a helmet, and I'll be like, yeah,
I thought the same thing. I'm gonna word his helmet
and I'm okay. Matter of fact, I'll tell you what.
Like most people have like one hundred dollars helmet, two
hundred dollar helmet. I owned a company at the time
when I started bops letting, I had a twelve hundred

(22:42):
dollars helmet. I had the best helmet you can find. Yeah,
but end of the day, it's a motorcycle helmet and
it's not designed to do anything with G forces because
this is a g I think it's not just the concussions,
but it's the G forces you add in there with
it and then the vibrations like if the like you know,
you ever go to the beach in the morning, the
water is so smooth. That's how on race date when

(23:03):
we race and World Cup, the ice is that smooth.
But if there's any little ripples in there, and when
you run across that with the box that running it,
it's like this, it's like shaking baby. Sooner you'll bring
your hems just so that's some days you got that
slid and you're like, whoa, it was a smooth ride.
We didn't touch a wall and you're like my head,
like why why am I hurting so bad?

Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know? And so that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
What's that term called slid?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Heeadad? Is this brain damage? And then boxing they call
it punch drunk. I don't know what they call it
in football, but you know, bell rung. It's all the
same stuff. Like sometimes I've been going down that box
set track. On some days we're so violent that when
it's so violent, like you're hoping that we can just

(23:49):
crash and get it out the way because this is hurting.
This guy's hitting every wall on the way down. Just
rolllette things so we can get.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Out this slide. That's how That's how rough it is.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
So there's there's four ways thatob sledding contributes to CTE,
and so one of them, the first one that I say,
is the shaking baby syndrome, which is just you're going
so fast and you have that constant jiggling and even
though there's a helmet on your head, there's no helmet
around your brain. Your skull is the helmet around your brain.
It's shaken all up in there. And then you're going

(24:20):
the G force. Let's talk about the G force in
Bob sledtting because to me, this is like one of
the key aspects. Yeah, so like a regular roller coaster
is one to two G force, the fastest in the
world is twelve G force. Military jet fighter pilots between
nine G force and eighteen G force tell them what

(24:40):
Bob sledding is, William.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
According to the New York Times report, eighty four point
five g's And that makes sense because everybody I know
and everybody they know is sick from this sport. Oh
not only that, Like we once took the Bob's lid.
We took the fighter pilots down the track and we
thought it was funny because they pulled the same type
of g forces. You know, when you see those guys

(25:04):
flying this way, then they next thing, you know, do
the bank turns they going the other way. So we
took them down the track on that day. I remember
I did six rides that day. They did one and
they were rattled, and I was like, how could they
be rattled? These are the best in the world of
what they do, Like it didn't make sense to me.
But however, last December a report came out. They have

(25:27):
the exact same issues as the box letters, like from dementia,
Parkinson's suicides. It's all identical. Like it was almost you
can take our issues and put it right on top
of theirs, and then take that and put it right
on top of the NFL's.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
It's all the same stuff.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
And since I've been working on William with this whole
like getting the awareness out about CTE, and I've been
studying so much, I've found it like utterly fascinating, how
many I believe, I mean, we believe you know, through
William's eyes, has opened my eyes to the number of
especially in the military, but across the board mental illnesses

(26:06):
and PTSD that are it's really brain injuries that are
misdiagnosed as bipolar syndrome or PTSD or borderline or whatever,
and it's really it's a brain injury. And you know,
unraveling that. And I think, because you know, it's important
to know, like athletes in particular get brain injuries, but

(26:31):
so do regular people. Right, military gets brain injuries a lot,
and so do regular people. Like I mean, William opened
my eyes. I hit my head back in twenty thirteen
and I said, oh, I've got adult onset ADHD and
He's like, no, you have a brain injury. And I'm like,
and that's why when I said, oh, I forget things
when you just asked them to me too, and you
said I'm normalizing them, I'm not. I'm saying I have

(26:52):
a brain injury.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
You know you're not normalizing because I know your story. Yeah, yeah,
most people will normalize I was speaking.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
I was saying.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Earlier, I spoke with a football player for the first
time today, was speaking with him, never met him before.
Exact same thing. He was about to go to doctor
get the adult adt ADHD diagnosis. I was like, that's
not a problem. I already heard what your story is.
You know, you can go aheaway your time if you
want to, but I'm poor to go do it, but
you're going to come back and that's it's not going

(27:19):
to help you.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
I think that's the most important part of today's message
is so that people can recognize that not every diagnosis
you receive is the actual problem that you're dealing with.
And it's very important because, like one of the things
William that you said to me over and over again
is that the person in trouble rarely recognizes that they're

(27:44):
the one in trouble. They think it's everyone else. They're
angry at everyone else, it's everyone else's problem in fault.
They're suicidal, they're facing depression, they don't think that there's
a way out. They're completely hopeless. And that's where you were.
And then what how and how did you discover? What
did you discover? How did you discover it to get

(28:04):
hope and come on the other side.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Well, once I made that pack with myself, I can't
take my life and God, I was begging him for
a long time to come get me, and he didn't
do it. So I got to figure something out, and
so I kept researching and researching on the days when
I wasn't so cloudy, and Joe Namath put out a study.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
He had.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
A team of doctors in Florida, and he said hyperbreak
oxygen reversed his CTE symptoms. And I was a skeptic.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
I won't lie.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
The only thing I knew about hyperbreak was Michael Jackson
had one, and I didn't want to be that guy.
He was the creepy guy with a Mike. We know,
no disrespect to Mike, but he was a creepy guy
with a hyperbrick chamber. And I was like, I don't
want to be that guy, but it's probably.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Not gonna work anyway.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
So I went down and I tried it, and Uh,
the funny thing is I was in that thing for
one hour. I had been suffering for my first Bob
set crash was in twenty two thousand and two, so
it was twenty years. So I get this this thing
and when I get out, I go to my glass
is a little bit tenant because I'm sensitive to light,
so I go grab these glasses, put them on, take

(29:10):
them off a few times, and a salesman comes over
and he's like, what's wrong, And I was like, I
don't know. I feel like I don't need my glasses.
And he says, oh, you're one of those. He was
so excited. I was like, Okay, he's gonna try to
sell me this twenty thousand dollars machine that I can't
afford right now. I had just bought a home for myself,
and it was really I just bought my death house.
I was had given up at that point, bought a

(29:32):
house in the country. It was just time to just
go fade away over there. And so but he was right.
Some people get immediate relief and some people need like
two sessions a day for thirty days.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, so let me point out one thing as you
talk about that we will be talking about hyper bear
chambers in a future date. It's okay that you bring
them up now, but it's good that you're introducing it now,
so it will be a situation where people get familiar
on we bring it out in the practice, A good possibility.
We'll bring it out. It's Wednesday night here on no limits.
I just want to make sure that brought it, but
tonight it's a good opportunity to get out there and

(30:05):
referencing Michael Jackson and Joe names as good. Well, that said,
we're about it. At the halfway point of the show,
we're gonna bring Candy back on for a station break.
When we come back, we're going to talk about two
people that he's mentored, and we're going to talk about
a recent situation here in the NFL that occurred unfortunately
not very good. But a lot of the last segment
are going to be examples of other sports so great,

(30:26):
starting with Jennifer and well Candy station break. Then we're
going to go so well think you know the two people.
We're going to talk about two people and then Rudy
and that'll be it for tonight's episode. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
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Speaker 1 (31:40):
Back to you, Scott, well done, Candy, all right, great stuff.
So with that said, we're going to go on to
a couple of people you have mentored. We're going to
talk about Rudy Johnson, and then you're gonna put some
information how they get a hold of you. And then
we'll talk on Monday about planning for next one Wednesday
Night show. All right with that, said, Chris Llios, tell
me a little bit about that story.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh okay, Yeah, Chris Chellio's not really nice guy. Man,
I'll be honest. When I met him, I didn't know
who he was. A bob said. Olympic coaches asked me
to mentor him. Okay, and so you know he wanted to.
I guess it's his hit a mother his mother was.
His mother was from Greece. So they was trying to
put together a bob sled team for for for the
next Olympics. And so I met him and we went

(32:25):
to go hang out a couple of times, and the
cameras came out like people were taking pictures of us.
Usually that happens right around the Olympic time, and but
it was a little early, and I was like, this
is a little bit weird. So next time we go
do something, it was the same thing. I was like, man, wow,
I guess I'm gonna start after all. I don't know,
I don't know what I was thinking, but eventually I

(32:45):
realized he was like the Michael Jordan of hockey.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
And then I was like, I said, Chris, what are
you doing here?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Like?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
And I said, you had such a great career. You
know you've done well for yourself. What are you doing here?
It's all I just want to go to Olympics for my
mom and represent I said, but look at your driver.
He's got on shoulder pads, Like if you look at
my Olympics, it was their spandexcuse there's nothing underneath that.
His driver had on shoulder pass and all kind of
pass football pass For a reason, he was afraid, which

(33:14):
means he was going to take Chris down that track
and concuss him. I said, he gonna concuss you every
day until he figures this out into it he quits
and he said, he said, I can handle you, know me.
So you know, he stuck around a couple more days,
and then I think about that. I don't know how
many days went by. I'm a little cloudy on that.
But he came to me. He's like, man, thank you,
I'm out of here, you know. And so yeah, he
was he was going to be the next victim. I

(33:36):
never thought in a million years it would be this
because CT didn't have a name back then, but I
just knew he was successful. Like why would you risk
all you've done and come here to leave a broken
arm or something.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
You know why he is a hockey player.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Yeah, yeah, he is.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
A hockey player, that's why. But then he got into
a situation like this, which is no other animal in
the world. He's dealing with an elephant with a big trunk,
and that's a big animal. I'm not riding that animal.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Baby, But I said that that'll lead you to the
next segment.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, right, but.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Get used to one thing. We get used to our segue. Man,
don't worry, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because one of the things that you
said to me, William about about concussions is you did
it really before you knew anything. You were like, eh,
opportunity for concussion, duh. Like you just thought, no big deal, right, Like,
so talk about you know that is kind of the
common thing, like, oh, no big deal. If you get

(34:40):
a concussion, just don't fall asleep, right, And that's that's
what you've dealt with in sports, the sport overall. Every
time you say, well, you're you're gonna get concussed, and
just like Chris and Chris is like, ah, doc by hockey,
it's normal, right, like it without really realizing what you're
actually doing to yourself.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, actually, I know we have we have brought this
part up, but actually I took I took the Olympic
team to court just so that they would have to
be transparent with the athletes before they start the sport.
For that reason, we're still fighting over the wording of it.
But they want to just put concussion in a waiver package.
But what that concussion doesn't tell you that in ten
years you're not going to recognize people you know, You're

(35:17):
going to not know the days in the months, like
I went through all that stuff, only even know if
we even discussed me not recognizing people that I know.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Remember, we have one thing you won't make sure that
we understand, and that's why we enjoy We're doing this
first one as roles going to do other There are
a lot of things we're going to hit weekend and
week out, so we're not going to get it all
out on one shelter no way, in any way, shape
or form. All. Some of those work keywords were using,
we're introducing to you by no means are we done

(35:49):
with them. So so what that said, I want to
talk about the next person, Cameron Diaz, and work goal
is get to two people a night in terms of
the mentor part, give me a little bit of inform.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Okay, I had this idea. I called it my Celebrity
Bops that Club. So during the Sundance Film Festival, I
would take some celebrities down the Bob Play track and
I just had just gotten this started really good. And
so one day I had my buddy Al Whiting. If
you ever see that movie water Boy, uh he's the
guy that Adam Samuel poked in the eyes too because

(36:22):
he doesn't know how to tackle yet. That's it's one
of my best friends. Really, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah. Did we talk about Jare McGuire at all?

Speaker 3 (36:32):
We didn't know, but you will later that later we
do that later, Okay, Well anyway, so yeah, so that's yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
So anyway, we we.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
We had this Bobslay track and I pick out cameras driver.
I make sure you can see he's not the best
driver in the in the country at the time. I
make sure you had she had great equipment and uh
so we sent her down, you know, and when she
came back up, she had that look on her eyes
that ninety percent of people have, like most of time
you do a roller coaster, you know, people on the

(36:59):
screaming weed. Yeah, you know, it was fun. But when
you do bops letting, I get the same thing every time.
It's like people say they felt like they were fighting
for their life. And because those g forces they do
things to you like I can't even explain to you
what a real G force it feels like, because there's
no word to compare it to you other than the
bobst track and the fighter pilots.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
So when you feel it for the first time, like
your system is like saying, what the heck was that?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
You know?

Speaker 3 (37:28):
And it felt like that first ride lies for me,
it felt like it lasted five minutes. It was probably
only like a minute. It's like it's never ending. It's like, oh,
it's brutal.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
It's very brutal.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
But to camera, she was a good sport though. I
tell you what. When she finished she came back to
the top, I said, Cameron, how was it?

Speaker 4 (37:45):
She couldn't talk. She was like, she said, it was rough.
It was rough. That's all she got out. It was rough.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
And I gave her a little side hugging and that
was the end of it. But yeah, yeah, she was.
She was a really good sport.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, it sounds like to me the right word described
as shells shell shocked probably gets it our her last
segment of the day. As recently, Rudy Johnson, forty five
years have made had passed away. According to Florida Police,
Johnson took his own life committed suicide, and his family

(38:18):
says he's been struggling with mental health issues. In the
possible effects of CTE, I mentioned possible, although after they
get done examined, it'll probably be diagnosed anyway that he
could not overcome. Johnson was selected by the Cincinnati Bengals
in the fourth round of the two thousand and one
NFL Draft out of Auburn. When you again, this is

(38:39):
a segment that will appear at the end of the
show other sports, when you talk about Rudy Johnson, what's
the first thing that enters your mind when you hear
something like this.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I understand, and I'm feel sorry for his family and
at the same time, like there's a twisted part of
me that's like, you know, for me, I can speak
for myself because I know what my symptoms were, Like
I was begging for death, I was praying for death,
and so I'm happy that he's not in pain and

(39:11):
suffering anymore. That's the best way I can put it.
But I hate that he did what he did because like,
there's help here, there's help because like I had the
like for the they said, bob slaying is only sport.
You can get CTE in a season. One season. It
doesn't take much. You know where football, you probably got
to play quite a few seasons to get where we were,

(39:33):
where my community is right now. And so yeah, I
just I really hate that his family has to suffer,
because those are the people that get it. But it's
it's very common. If you look at him, and I
heard his story, I think he was living separate from
his wife too. So usually what happens we start to
act a little bit different. We're not pleasant to be around.
Like for me, I wasn't. I never got aggressive or angry.

(39:55):
I was just like in this depressed state, like where
I was in taught. I couldn't talk very well. I
lost words, and even to this day, if I, you know,
want to have setback sometimes like I.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Can see the words.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
It's almost like there's a computer screen inside my forehead
and I can see the words in there, but I
can't pronounce them, and then on some days my speech
is slurred, so I know exactly what he went through
and what he was going through, and I just feel
really bad for him, I really do.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, well, the suicidal thoughts, I
think are a key, a key indicator that you need help.
You know that the diagnosis, whatever diagnosis you have, whatever
you're doing, and you know, especially the importance of it
being misdiagnosed, where there's a brain injury that is misdiagnosed

(40:47):
as bipolar or mental illness or PTSD, and they're sticking
you on pharmaceuticals, and you know, the way they report
on pharmaceuticals is to me, it's disingenuous because it'll say
a side effect is suicide. Well then why if I'm depressed,
am I taking a drug with a side effect of suicide?

(41:08):
And so then is it that the drug can lead
to suicide or is it you have suicidal people on
a drug and the drug isn't working, so then they're
going to take their lives anyway, And there is no
differentiation of that, you know, or a way to differentiate it.
But I think it's key for people who are feeling suicidal,
for people who have been diagnosed as bipolar or any

(41:32):
of the other mental health conditions, including PTSD, to say,
if my meds are not working, something else is probably
wrong and then there's help outside. What is that help?
And I know, Scott, you said we're going to get
more into that in another episode next week, and I'm
you know, tune back in you guys, because this is

(41:53):
this is an important story. And one of the things
I want to differentiate between a TVI and CTE is
TBI is what I had, right, So I hit my
head really hard. I had a single incident, got the vertigo.
Thought I was having adult onset ADHD. Likely I have
a brain injury. CTE is repetitive brain injuries that creates

(42:16):
then a continuous degenerating disease of your brain, so it
continues to degenerate year after year after year after year.
I don't know if a TBI is like that or not.
We're going to have to study it and find out
and see, like when does when does it go from
a TBI to CTE. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Great point, Shander. The one thing I can tell you
on our network, Oh, we have a lot of different shows. Okay,
We've got football. We got baseball. We have sports to change.
We talk about hockey tomorrow. I'm going to do an
interesting show for entertainment tonight. I have a couple of
people that will be on at eight o'clock PM Eastern time.
Hope you don't miss that one. We'll talk about it.
I'll do it. So it'll be another episode of No

(42:56):
Limits on a different topic line and no limits or
for the on sports related stuff. This one here is
a natural, it really is. I know there's so much content.
That's why I am so excited about bringing the guys
on as partners. But that's the whole thing. Our network
is designed to show you that we are more than
a one trick pony, and that's what it's all about.

(43:16):
And yes, Jen, we will have more content then we
know what to do it. But that's why we're looking
to build this audience because it is so important. You
never know everybody if you have a family member or
friend that's dealing with us, And the more you tune in,
the more whether you contribute to the chat room or
whether we see your comments on YouTube or wherever you're
tuning in from. That's good because we need to see

(43:38):
that stuff. This is a I've done a lot of
shows in my thirty seven years in this business when
I am intrigued and excited about the challenge, especially at
work with Jen and Will, because I'm dealing with it myself,
and even if I was not dealing with it, I
still have passion for athletes who have worked around in
my entire life and had injuries and so forth. So
this is something that I am so glad we're doing,

(44:01):
and I couldn't have two better teammates to do it
with me. We're gonna bring Candy Emplie back on right now.
And Katie, what I want to do is, why don't
you give you your overall perspective about what you've heard
so far and every single week you're going to come
out at the end, give us your overall summary about
what you took out of the show, and then we're
going to preview the Sports Exchange in a few minutes.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
All right.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, I think part of what I heard was that
we're still doing research, you know, and c CTE can
be helped by these Hyperbert chambers, and so I'm intrigued
to learn more, you know, and you kind of you
kind of got me on the hook now So now

(44:42):
I want to watch next week to see listen more
and hear more. And like I said, I never thought
before the first time I heard CTE was football players,
because I and you know, and I would have never
thought about the g Force and Bob slutters and you know,
I mean, I obviously I've watched I've watched the Olympics

(45:04):
a lot of time, numerous times. And I hope at
some point you even go into the movie about Cool Runnings,
because that was about Bob sledding and I love that movie.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
So they could get a topic in its own, right, Candy,
That's what I'm saying. This thing is so wide open
it's ridiculous. So and I'm only going three or four
topics tonight. Tonight, we got a story. All the millions
of other stories right out there, that's the one they call.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yeah, I gotta say this, but when when my mom
passed in twenty eighteen, the original Jamaican Bob sled team,
those are the first guys that called me to check
on me. You know how about that? Yeah? I love
those guys. Yeah, we were think two of them have
passed recently. Yeah, well they were the first one to
call me to check on me.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
I remember all that. I remember I liked the whole
Jamaican Bob Slid team. Yeah, I mean just the whole,
like the in the sport.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Well, Jennifer wants you to write that down it's potential
oppor and send me an email on that, and I
got anw Israe. Jennifer may be working with Will on it,
but she's also my technical, clerical individual when it comes
to coming up with all this good stuff. So that's
all right. I know she's very efficient and we'll get
to stuff with me. And she's all choked up about

(46:19):
my one liners that she didn't want to go out
there and get choked up on the air because we
know she knows we have a lot more work to do.
But that's okay and so but yeah, I keep her busy,
just like you will tell me del like that.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I appreciate you, guys man. But this topic is is
so huge and so did in my heart at this point,
I've just started watching people pass for no reason when
we can you can beat this thing.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, yeah, there's so many different layers to it. So
oh yeah, Jennifer, she's all blushing because of my one liner.
She don't want to show her face anymore. Come out,
come out, Come out wherever you are again. But that said,
we'll go back to another station breaking then Jennifer and
we'll be able to go ahead. Let everybody know how

(47:00):
they can reach them as well. So also coming up
at the top of the hour, the Sports a Change,
I'll be on with Tom Shanahan, George Korn, Candy myself
and who else sketch Jakob Christner as well, so he'll
be on. So it was good show lined up as well,
all right, Katie, go ahead.

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(48:20):
and if.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I let me approves of that, just ask any pray there.
We took him out of the chat room, put them
on with us. I knew general b back Ah, she's
she done it right. Job, there's old chat. We got
to have that spark plug on here. But yeah, our
fifth topic of the night will be candies takeaway. So
she goes ahead, We'll watch us. It takes shows again
and tries to break it down ship of what we
talked about. Any any closing thoughts, Jennifer before we wrap

(48:43):
it up a heavy sports.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Exchange, I have none. I'm choking over here, so you
go right.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
All right? Well, well, any closing thoughts. Will do it
again next weekend. You know, we'll probably move the show
up to seven thirty seven forty five Eastern time. Works good.
It gives us little bit of breathing room for the
sports Exchange worked out really well tonight, and this shows
only get to get better as time goes on. We
just what your appetite tonight. So if you're hungry for
some good information about a topic and something that that's

(49:10):
really important, please tune USTAD around seven thirty seven forty
five Eastern time on Wednesday night. Any closing thoughts to
all of out our first act out here?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Actually, I have a TikTok channel that I dedicate only
to helping people learn to live with this, and it's
really mainly for the loved ones because, as you know,
most athletes, we couldn't see it in ourself.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
I didn't when I finished.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Tell you the story later you'll be like, oh wow,
Like yeah, I denied everything, even when it was right
in my face. So it's the loved ones who can
help you. If you have a loved one's acting out
of the nature, out of character, look me up out
you know, I'll help you maneuver this thing. There's very
simple things to kind of help you. And it'll like,

(49:52):
like I stepped in all the potholes, you don't need
to step in them too, so I can help you
avoid those potholes.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, those stories end up in Jennifer's hands. The emails
with me. That's how this.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Yeah at one man with the chamber, right.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
One man with a chamber, especially with self medicating guys,
you gotta help click in, I'll help you out.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
I'll help you figure it out.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Anything you want to add real quick, contact information on websites,
or anything that you want to put out there real quick.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
I mean the website. Are you to say, Candy or Jennifer,
I forgot?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Oh you me?

Speaker 4 (50:26):
You me?

Speaker 5 (50:27):
Yeah, I mean well, William's got to go fund me.
So so right now, one of his big things is
he's trying to raise funds to be able to purchase
a medical grade hyperbaric oxygen chamber to help people, help
more athletes, help more military, help more civilians at no cost.
He wants to be able to be to treat people
for free, but he needs the public's help in raising

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the funds to be able to buy the chamber. So
he's on go fund me if you can go find
at one man with the Chamber will person on go
fund me. That's that's that's his main website, and then
follow him on social media and ask all the questions,
get involved, find out if this is you or your
loved one or you know whatever, and then see where
the help is because help does exist and I think

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it's really important for people to know.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
And you'll be mentioned that every week when you come
on anyway, so first opportunity of many. But that said,
that doesn't for this edition of No Limits on behalf
of Candy I Believeable person and Jennifer Horsepool. My name
is Scott Morgan, Ruthmore City Manam. I'll thank you for
joining us on No Limits Sports. The changes next and
we will be back next Wednesday night with a new
episode of No Limits, same group. Take care, everybody have

(51:38):
a great week.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
I know. Thank you,