No Limits Talking College Sports Landscape with Kevin Anderson

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Happy Monday, everybody. It istime for now. That's all. I'd
like to make that very loud,because you know what, when I go
a loud anything can happen. Butwell, we have a great broadcast tonight.
I've been looking for this one fora long time and it's I'm pleased
to be joined by Kevin Anderson,who's a senior athletic director at Air Force

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Academy and he's also a former athleticdirector from the University of Maryland. You
were there for seven years, whotook Maryland from the ACC to the Big
ten. It was the master behind, master mind behind the move. So
you know, Kevin, it's apleasure to have you on the show tonight,
and over the course of the nextperiod of time, we're going to
talk about everything we can about notonly where you have been, but college

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athletics and everything that associated with it. So I have prepared myself for a
long show because I guarantee my goalhere is to educate, in form,
have fun, and make sure wecan make sure the individuals that have questions.
I can tell you one thing.I guarantee you one thing, Kevin,
no stone will be left on turnso well, Scott, thank you

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for having me look forward to havingthis time with you. All right,
So let me go over a coupleof things here. Since joining the Big
Ten and twenty fourteen, the termshave combined to win forty nine championships.
That's unbelievable and that's the third mostin that time frame, behind only Michigan
and Ohio State. So, Kevin, before we get to that, Okay,

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I know you probably took a lotof pride in that. Well,
give me your thoughts about that first. Well, you know, as we
were talking last week, Scott,it was it was eye opening to me
when we first started to approach evengoing into the Big Ten. And then
the day that we did at travelingfrom Chicago back to Maryland, there were

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several publications throughout these schools at theBig Ten, Chicago Tribune, Iowa whatever,
the Iowa papers and that said thatwhy would the Big ten take a
bottom feeder, And so they thoughtthat we would not be competitive in the

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Big Ten. And my time therein the Big Ten, we won twenty
five Big Ten championships and at thattime it was the most, even more
than Michigan and Ohio State. Well, I think one of the reasons that
Maryland was brought into the Big tenI from when I my understanding is a

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Big ten one at a piece ofwith Rutgers or Metropolitan York area and with
you guys. They wanted the Washingtonarea as well, don't they? And
I you know what, people cansay, bottom feed or all they want.
But Maryland has a heck of abasketball program. We all know Gary
Williams won a national championship there.You know that Bobby Ross went out there

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and had a good run there.We all Frank Reich, I believe,
graduated. So for people that wantto underestimate the terms, that's a bad
move. But you know, sowhen you talk, but is it true
that the Big ten wanted the WashingtonBaltimore metropolitan area in there? Oh no,
absolutely, Scott. This was moredriven by media than it was by

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anything else, such as everything thatwe see going on now. I mean
these mergers and these acquisitions from onecommerce to another, it's basically for media
dollars. Okay, all right,let's I had to get into this.
Let's talk about your Hall of famesmentioned you said you're in a couple,
So I'll let you go ahead andexplain to me. How well, even

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in my ware, Well, I'vebeen blessed that my colleagues other athletic directors
voted me into the Hall of Fame. I believe it was in two thousand
and nineteen twenty twenty during COVID.But and then I was elected to represent

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San Francisco State and I'm in theirHall of Fame as well. Okay,
all right, let's go to talkabout your last experience. A list of
your scots, and I know youhad a lot of them, so don't
years break them down for us.Stop by stopping then, won't for seem
thereafter? Well, my first intentionwas never to be in college athletics.

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I worked ten years for the XeroxCorporation. And while I worked for Xerox,
I was a high school and collegefootball official. A friend of mine
told me that there was a positionopen in the San Francis in the Stanford
athletic department. He asked me formy resume and so I gave it to
him. And a side story,I had a close family friend that was

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one of the first African American footballplayers at Stanford. So I called him
and I said, you know,I'm looking at this position at Stanford,
and he chuckled and he said,you'll never get that because you're not part
of the family. So I wentand interviewed at Stanford with Ted Leland and
Tom Beckett, and they offered methe position. So I called John that

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night and said, guess who's comingto dinner. Stanford was a wonderful experience
of that's where I had my foundationfrom, and working with Ted and Tom
Beckett was just an unbelievable experience.And if I have had success is partly
due to those two gentlemen of startingoff there, and then you know,

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I mean having a first job workingwith Bill Walsh and Mike Montgomery and all
the rest of those wonderful coaches atStanford. I mean, it was quite
an experience. And then from thereI went to work for UC Berkeley.
I was there for five and ahalf years. I worked for another tremendous

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athletic director, John Casser. Wedid a lot of great things at UC
Berkeley. Then I went up andworked about a year and a half two
years at Oregon State with Dennis EricsonBob the Careless, and that was another
learning experience. And then I wasfortunate enough to get the call and become
the athletic director at West Point.That was not a good job experience,

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It was a tremendous life experience,not only for me but my family,
the people that we met, thecompany that we kept. Fortunate enough there
to be in the presence of twoof the United States Presidents, meeting all
kind of leaders in our armed forces, that was a tremendous opportunity. From

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there, going to Maryland and Marylandwas Maryland was an experience where looking back
at it, it allowed me topursue and win national championships. And during
my time at the Maryland I thinkwe won seven or eight national championships while

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I was here. Through the ACCwe won about nine or ten ACC championships
and then twenty five Big ten championships. Then from there I've ended up at
Air Force and this has been quitea wonderful experience for me to end my

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career with these great young people andthese great leaders at the Air Force Academy.
One thing I wasn't able to doat West Point, but we were
able to do at Air Force thisyear is when the Commanders in chiefs trophy,
So what else could I do?I mean that this is a wonderful
way to transition into other things Iwill do in my life. All right,

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So you bring up some interesting points. So I gotta tell you,
do you take a lot of prideKevin that you know you're an African American
that got a great opportunity and youwant to be able to set the example
for future African Americans to be ableto go ahead and take on athletic director
roles because what your resume is nothingshort of outstanding. And I think what's

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so cool about when I look atthe fact that you know that the Air
Force Academy invited you back to obviouslylead their football program, right, and
that you're currently the senior Associate athleticdirector tied to football, And you know
that's a large responsibility when you havea lot of that. So I'm impressed,

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and I think a lot of minoritiesshould when they watch a show,
should use you as an inspiration forthem to be able to seek those types
of opportunities. Well, you know, Scott, see, I'd been blessed
and fortunate. I am very closefriends with the Burrow Toller family. Burrow

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Toller was the first National Football LeagueAfrican American official. He also was the
first principal in the San Francisco SchoolDistrict and the first police commissioner. He
was on the first police commission asan African American. They've named a school

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after mister Toller and being around himbecause I mean, he was the first
in all of those and at thattime being first was not only him,
but he was one of the onlyAfrican Americans to have any kind of position
like this. So seeing what hewent through and how he conducted himself and

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what kind of man he was,I mean it was it made it easy
for me to be able to dothat because of his example and many other
people in my life that gave mean example of what to do and how
to be a leader. All right, Well, you know, Kevin has
this time we have to go tothe chat room because it's not me just

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that said, okay, let's goto the chat room. George Eichorn,

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thanks for the comments. Outstanding guestsyou are, mister Anderson. George Eichorn
is out of Michigan, so Detroitarea. Well, Vogo, you know
what, He's gonna wait for thisall day. So you know what this
day here is a very up andcoming young broadcaster and he participates on these
chants because he knows that he canlearn a lot. And back to George

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Eichorn. Such a long and distinguishedcareer that you had. Well, your
track record was nothing short of impressive. Anyways, Kevin, so and then
we'll well go back to mister Anderson. But what is one lesson that you
learned from each stop along your journey? You know, that's a great question.
How about addressing that for him?That is a great question. One

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of the things that I believe thatyou should live your life each and every
day is that you should be welcomingto everyone who comes into your life and
be respectful for anybody and everybody whoworks with you for you, you know
the well, one of the otherthings I make a habit of when I

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am walking down the street, ifI see somebody who is down and out
and needs some help, I tryto help them. And you know,
I didn't think that my kids werenoticing that, but you know, they
talk about that each and every day, and so that's something that you know,

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I'm probably most proud of is thatmy children understand and they see that,
you know, we have been veryfortunate in our lives and there's other
people who have not been, andthat they know that, you know,
the right thing to do is toreach out and help your fellow man.
All right, well, val grandslam home run on your part WV.
All right, George Iikorn and wereiterated this point. But George also knows

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about it. Well, being aBig ten guy, you probably should anyways.
But but there are the comments.I'm glad that Maryland they joined the
Big Ten as it has opened upthe student athletes to a great eastern part
of our nation and to the capital. You know what, well, how
don't I should be thanking you forthis? Okay? But you know,
here here's well at it again andhe's saying thank you for answering. Mister

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Anderson. Scott puts on a greatnetwork here along with a bunch of others,
and I am blessed to be apart of it and blessed that he's
one of my mentors. Well,there you go, you know, and
I think that's the one thing wecan say that Kevin, that you've certainly
been obviously a mentor and a positiveinfluence. So what that said, Let's
go to the next question. What'sthe difference between being an administrator for military

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military college up to a conventional university, because obviously you've seen both sides.
Well, my experience that the academiesis that the cadet athletes aren't true cadet
athletes or student athletes. They're therefor the love of the sport, to

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be and get great academics and tobe a leader and do things that we
need to do to fight for ourfreedom for this country. Working at other
civilian schools, it depends on theschool. I mean I look at two
or three of the schools that theywere committed academically, and then there were

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other schools that I don't know,the academics didn't come first. I'll just
say that and that it was moreof a money proposition and getting well,
I'll just say that they were athletesfirst and student second, and sometimes they
weren't even students at all. Allright, Well back to Mickey Delaney high

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Scott and Hi Kevin, Hi Mackey, how you doing? M I c
k E y. No relation tomouse. There's definitely no relation to my
dad making Okay, so you knowI had to get the Mickey plug in.
Michael Concichio enjoying this Scott and misterAnderson, Well, Michael specializers in
basketball, So if anybody could probablybe familiar with basketba on East Side,

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it would definitely be this guy.All right, So what that said?
Okay, how challenging is it torecruit, especially Kevin football versus of powers
in group of five conferences? It'schallenging. When I was at West Point,
we were in the height of theconflict in the Middle East, and

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so I mean going into somebody's house, particularly with the parents, and trying
to assure them that you know,this was going to be a great thing
for their young person was challenging.And I mean, being a parent myself,
I could see where it be verydifficult looking at what we faced in

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Iraq and Afghanistan, that that wouldbe a hard choice for any parent or
any young person to take. Andso I'm highly admirable of those people and
that have that had chosen to attendthe academies and be part of this great
country of ours and protecting again ourfreedom. So it was challenging. But

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I'll tell you on the other hand, particularly my last two years with this
football team at air Force, theseyoung men were tremendous and had the will
to win and was not going totake losing as an option. And I
mean both years we went nine andthree, we went to two bulls,

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beat Louisville and beat Baylor, Andso I think that's a statement in itself
that, you know, these youngpeople accomplished something that most people didn't think
they could do. And it wasmy blessing and my privilege to be part
of that. All right, now, you have a great segue to where
we're going. So here's what we'vegotten. Okay, to go pro you

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said, sophomore or freshmen immediately dinosaurand there we're talking about it looks like
Paul Kane. But let me goahead and mention and to go pro sophomore,
freshman dinosaur, and afterwards you haveto serve the five years. As
you mentioned right now, you saidan example of this was Paul Skin was
a freshman sophomore and then he transferredto LSU because he would be a high

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draft choice at number one. Weknow he's going to get paid. So
what I want you to do,Kevin is please go ahead and exchange explain
the dynamics of how that really worksout. You know what I mean,
because this is really loaded, whichI want you to do though, I'm
going to break it down two ways. Okay. Number one, you're going
to talk about the first two years, the dinosaur part, and then you'll

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talk about the five years. Andnow you know what, before we go
further though, I got you everheard of Mel far Junior. Yes,
yes, yes, Well he's myco host on the South Florida Tribute and
Broadcasting Network and Mel works with meon Inside the Picks and Sports Exchange wherever
I put him. And I'm tellingyou what, it's getting intense, but
I know what a question around.But we got to get to the chat

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room because they're the ones that aregiving us what we need all okay,
need cap biting what the Troy Lyons, all right, smoking Jeremy b You
can find him on The Professor andthe People on Sunday mornings here on the
Software the Tribune podcasting network. Andso let's go ahead. So what I'd
like you to do and maybe oneday what I'll do, Kevin, is
I'll bringing on the show with youand I and Mel and then we can

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talk some football, because obviously heknows you're well. And also Mel,
get ready, you and I aregoing to go ahead and mention you're gonna
be on the same show with him, and he says, a middle child
is a graduate of the University ofMaryland. Well, hang on with the
nil. That one's coming up.So all right, so let's address those
couple of questions. I'll reiterate themagain. We'll talk about to go pro
your sophomore freshman immediately after being dinosauredafterwards, and talk about that one first,

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we'll go apart two. So thishas been going on and off,
where athletes that go to the academywe're able to play professional sports, particularly
what we're looking at now football andthen serve their country as their playing professionally.

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There was a congressman or senator fromWisconsin recently who wrote a bill that
says that none of the athletes wouldbe able to participate in professional football why
they were serving their five years aftertheir graduation. Now, there were some
negotiations and what has happened is thatfreshmens and sophomores that are now attending the

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academy are still able if they arefortunate enough to go and play professionally,
but this incoming class will not havethat same same thing for them to be
able to do. Now, theycould serve their five years and then go

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play to you know what I mean. That's Roger Stauback's probably be one of
the only people who did that,and so you know that was way back
when, you know, I justthink that it's a mistake that if there's
a young man who could go andplay professionally and still serve his country,

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there's no better way of exposing theacademy and promoting it than that. Because
like Eric Villain, the way thatEric was at the West Point when I
was there every Sunday when he playedfor the Steelers, the first thing they
mentioned was he was a West Pointgraduate and he served in the army.

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You can't buy that kind of media. I mean, you look at it,
We've done analysis on it, andI mean, there's no better way
to promote the armed services and whatyoung people could do in an academy other
than you know, being on TVon Sunday and having that mentioned. So
I just think that it's unfortunate.I think it's a mistake, and I
think that there's nothing but good thatcomes out of it, particularly when we're

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not going to be seeing you know, like Georgia having eight, nine ten
kids drafted in one draft. Imean, if we had one every four
years, we would be very fortunate. So I just think that we're missing
we're missing something valuable that could bea positive for our military if they would

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allow or change their thinking of howthey're handling this. Yeah, so you're
what you're telling me, if Iunderstand you correctly, Kevin, that the
five years is a very big detrimentto what everything could be, and that
you know, at number one,if you had a five year situation,
you know, revisited a little,you can get a better caliber player.
And the biggest thing people have tounderstand about this is it's not like you're

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in wartime either, where you needthese individuals. These guys have an opportunity
to serve their country. But youalso have to understand, and I know
you do, okay, but afive year that's a detriment. You know,
the military academies we all know andstill disciplined like no ever. My
dad was in the Army before Iwas born, so I can certainly respect

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his military background. I have otherpeople, like one of my good friends,
Steve Balistaria, used to do someshows on here, was heavily involved
with it as well. But Iguess going back to the five years,
you're saying, that's a real bigof a detrimental. What the whole idea
should really be. Yeah, Well, prime example, we talked about this
the other night. That young manwho's pitching for LSU. Right the first

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two years of his college experience,he was at Air Force. Had he
been able to pursue a professional career, he would have probably stayed at Air
Force and then been able to bedrafted and go on. But so he

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had to make a decision before hisjunior year, because once you go to
your junior year, you take thepledge and you make the commitment. So
he looked at this and said alot of money on the table, so
he transferred the LSU, and hecould be the number one draft choice in
the Major League Baseball draft coming up. You know that everybody's saying more than

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likely that he'll be a top fivepick and it could be the number one
pick and the individual for whom you'rereferring to as Paul Sken, is that
correct, Paul Sken? Yes,it is very good. All right.
Now, a question that mister Volgelis waiting for, and I'm sure a
lot of other people beside him.Well, let's talk about the NIL.
Okay, you say that the militaryacademies are not eligible for it and can't

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accept it, So if you feelthat in some cases that's also a endurance
as well. Well, I thinkit's a great thing for the academies because
you don't have to worry. Butthat's another thing you don't have to worry
about. And now most of mycolleagues, if not all of them,
are worried about that, because ifyou don't have an NLI program or it's

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not robust, the recruiting process andgetting great players to come is going to
be very challenging. Right now,I support the NIL the way it was
supposed to be. It was supposedto be where these young people could go
market their services and be paid forthem. But now when you talk about

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these co ops, these collaboratives,whatever you call them, right, it's
just a legal way of how weused to do it when it was illegal
for them to have the paper bagwith the money in it going out the
back door. But you know,it's it's going to be interesting seeing how
the NCAA is going to deal withthis, because it's still a violation if

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you read the rules that no donoris supposed to outright give a student athlete
or a potential student athlete any money. Well, now with these collaborators and
everything else, the donors are gettingtogether, they're pulling their money and I
mean they're paying these kids, andso that I have a hard time,

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just like we've lost the value ofthe scholarship. When I was growing up,
I mean in your neighborhood, yourfamily and everything else. If you
were going to go to Universe,well, if you got into university period,
that was big. But if you'regoing to be an athlete and you're
going to get a scholarship and you'regoing to play for whatever, university you
were going to represent. That wasa community thing where they celebrated. Plus,

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I mean there's value in the academics. So now what we're saying is,
well, what I want, whatI'm want to get, what I
want to get across too, isthat you can't tell me there isn't any
value because one, if you lookat most student athletes, if they had

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to compete on their own to getinto most of these universities, they wouldn't
be able to really. So thenyou get priority registration, so you're going
to get the classes you can getyour son. My daughters had to go
another year in college because they couldn'tget all their classes to graduate on time.

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And so now there's a distinct advantagethere because you look at most of
the young people who come in andplay college athletics and take their academics seriously,
they're graduating in three and three anda half years, and then by
the time they're a senior, they'reworking on their master's degree. So there's

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a value in that. Plus we'repaying room and board, we're paying for
their books, we're paying for theirmeals, we're paying for their medical So
what happens if okay, we startpaying these young people. But we say,
okay, well we're paying you,but you're gonna pay us for your

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scholarship. You're gonna pay for yourmeals, You're gonna pay for your uniform.
You know, you're gonna pay foreverything. I mean, that's I
think if that deal was ever totake place, scholarships a pretty good deal.
You know. That's amazing too.And when I think of the word
lost value of scholarship, those area loaded for words. They really are,

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because everybody doesn't realize the value ofthem, you know. But I
know some now sometimes they're on ayear to year basis of paying on all
that. We'll get into more ofthat later on. But you know,
when you look at the some ofthe whole cabin and the whole of some
welln't the value of scholarships really strongstuff? Well, we'll take football as

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an example. Okay, So youhave one or two three people that are
very good, right, then youhave people that play, then you have
people that back up, and thenyou have people that just practice. So
how do you determine who gets paidwhat? Right? Yeah? Okay,

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So and if I'm the offensive linemanand the quarterbacks getting a million dollars and
I'm getting two hundred dollars and Iget free pizza at Shaki's every now and
then, Well, if I missa block and he gets tackled, some
people aren't gonna say, I don'tfeel too bad about that. So,

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I mean, you know, thatcreates another dynamic in the locker room that's
not healthy. But you know,again, it is what it is.
We have to move forward. Unfortunately, and this is what really concerns me,
is that no one's doing anything aboutit. The NCAA has just let

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this train out of the bar,and I mean, and we don't know
how fast and what track it's goingdown. And then and now we're looking
at the government getting involved. Soas a taxpayer, there's many more things
that our Congress and Senate should belooking at and doing rather than getting involved

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in intertellegiate athletics, in my estimation, and that's how I feel about it.
And if we do, and ifthe Congress gets involved in this,
nobody wins, because everybody's going tohave to give up something. And right
now, I mean, nobody knows, nobody knows where it's going, or

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they have not put their arms aroundit. And that's a very dangerous thing.
Okay, Obviously we've talked about name, image and likeness, but now
let's talk about the transfer portal.Everybody's favorite subject the free agency of football,
although I kind of wonder how thathappens with the military schools. But
let's just talk about Kevin the transferportal in its overall sense. What are

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your thoughts about the transfer portal.I was always for it. Yeah,
yes, and it didn't go wellwith my colleagues. But why shouldn't the
student athlete have freedom of movement whenas an athletic director or as a coach,

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I was able to go if anotherschool called me, I was able
to go there. There were nopenalties, They didn't make me wait a
year to start working at that place. I just think that, you know,
there's if we're following capitalism in itstruest form, then that has to

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be part of it. Because inour country there's freedom of movement. You
could go from one job to another, you could go move to one house
student. So to do that andto put a hamper on student athletes and
say well, okay, even ifyou do transfer, you got to sit
out a year, I mean,I just don't think that's fair. Well,

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not only that, but one thingwe can't lose sight of as college
coaches change jobs all the time lookingfor better opportunities, So I mean,
why not give the athletes an opportunityto go to another coach at once?
By the way I look at it, I mean, do we congem a
college coach were moving from one opportunityto other, But meanwhile these kids are

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left with a coach that didn't recruitthem in the first place, and then
all of a sudden, we don'tknow how the new coaches and we're going
to get to one prominent example laterin the show. But I just want
to make sure that ghost points,like I told you, Kevin, no
stones unturned, and we know thatwith coaching movement being it is that these
players have the right to be coachand mentored by whom they feel will give

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them the best mentorship and best opportunityto make the pros. Well, absolutely,
but the other thing that we needto look at is that we need
to look at that these young menand young women go to schools and like
you said, the coach leaves,so why shouldn't they be able to leave
Because most of the time. Mostof the time, the young men or

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young women aren't going to the university. They're going to play for that individual.
But here's the thing that everybody's concernedabout, and here's what I hear
talk about. There's forty percent ofthe young people who have gone in the
transfer portal that are stuck there.Really, So now people are saying,

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well, okay, so now whatdo you do with them? Well,
they had to freedom, they hadthe freedom and they wanted to move on.
But now, I mean people aresaying, well, if they don't
go to another school, they shouldbe able to stay at that school and
continue to get their scholarship, whichI find to be a little bit ludicrous

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to think on that level, becausethese young people have chosen to do so,
and many times it's not the youngperson per se, but it's all
those people behind the scenes. It'sthe parents, it's the handler, it's
you know, the grass is greeneron the other side. So I don't
think that it's the burden of anyschool that a young man or woman chooses

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to transfer and nobody or there's notanother place for them to go. You
know, I'm sorry, but that'syou're bad, not ours. Yeah,
and you know what it to me, what it sounds like, you can't
take your cake any to Kevin.You know, you made a decision to
go out there and gamble on it, and sometimes all gambles don't pay off.

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And I'll tell you what I meanby that too, Okay, Kevin.
A couple of ways. Number One, the one thing that college basketball
in the NBA do well, youknow, I'll let you measure yourself by
the draft and if you don't thinkthey're being Elliott high enough, then you're
allowed to go back. But that'snot the case here. I mean,
there's all those things. Or youknow, when you go to gambling in
Vegas, you know your gamble,you lose your money and you put it
all in the middle, and Vegasisn't giving you any simp thing for much

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put out there. And you know, I mean, like you say,
the grass isn't always greener, andthese are choices they have to make,
and it's it's it's not an easyindustry, which leads me to my next
point, college football playoff expansion.Now we have a twelve team playoff coming
in. Some thoughts about that,Well, it's definitely going to give more

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teams an opportunity to pursue the championship, and with that means more money to
each and every school that is inthe federation. So I mean I liked
it when there was a name nationalchampion because here's a difference between having this

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and not having it. When youwere at Thanksgiving Christmas table, everybody could
sit around the table and argue whothe national championship could be, and it
keeps that conversation live and going.But another example, whoever wins a Super
Bowl, nobody ever talks about thesecond guy. They just talk about the
champion. So I thought, froma marketing standpoint and good media, you

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keep those conversations alive and you're ableto have healthy debate. But now we've
left all that. So now thething to look at is with the expansion
of the playoff, what's the todo with the conferences now? Right,
don't worry, we're getting to thattoo. But you really, I'll tell

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you what, if I was aplay by play guy, I'd have you
as my color andalls because the onelesson I'm gonna teach you, mister Kevin
Anderson, you know what the acronymGMTA stands for. I don't great minds
thinking like my friend, Okay,there you go, I'll give you more
on I'll give you another one ofmy favorite motor oil ones STP for the
Moor motor Oil. So don't thinkingproceed. But you probably had to work

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by that one a lot of mso I wouldn't have come up with that
one, big guy, you wouldhave, I would not have so I
could add those two to my repertoire. You do it, you do it.
I have no problem with anybody thatever does you. But you have
to promise me that anytime I needyou on as a guess, you give
me the thumbs up like it didon this one. Fair enough, Okay,

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Scott, that's that's the deal,Jails boy. So all right,
So so I'm gonna go back tothe twelve team plan. I actually like
it. I think it's actually longoverdue anyways, I really do. I
mean, you know, will itcreate the March madness type of effect?
No, but I think it givesyou the best. Twelve to me,
is a better way of doing itthan what we've had to deal with.

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One minute, we got computers,an next minute the plus one, although
I think the plus one better whatthey had before. But I'm not going
to get into that. That couldbe an old another debate anyhow. But
so for the most part, youfeel that actually the twelve team playoff on
more than suffice or college football.Yeah, I think it's gonna satisfy the
fans and that's the biggest part ofthis, and it's gonna satisfy the media

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partners. I don't know how muchfurther it goes into a season or adding
games. Is it help you forthe student athlete? Right, So that's
a big question there. The otherthing is, it's not like bad football,
it's not like basketball. Get acouple of good people there. And
now if you look at basketball too, the older teams seem to have just

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as much as success excuse me,as a one and done teams. So
you know, in football, though, you have a unique set of teams
that are going to be at achampionship level and then the other ones are
well. Prime example, TCU hada great year, great year, but

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then going to the championship and Imean they were just out man playing and
simple. But I'd love to seeschools get an opportunity like that. But
I think in the scheme of thingsand what we're looking at in the world
of college football right now, there'san elite group of teams that are going
to be good year in and yearout, and maybe every once in a

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while you'll get a team to sneakin there and compete for a national championship.
Well, I mean here locally,in my neck of the woods,
we had two Florida schools move allthe way final four of Florida Atlantic University
had a year for the Ages,and the Miami Hurricanes even made at the
final four. You want to talkabout energy in my neck at woods,
you know, those two teams certainlyelectrified in the community. And let's not

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get ourselves. Noah's Southeastern University onthe Division two side won a championship.
So it's a tremendous spring. Iknow we're not talking a lot about college
basketball, but when you talk aboutthe success of FAU, of all teams
being in there, to me,you never know if there's an FAU somewhere
along the way in that twelve thatplays at the right time and catches somebody
on their heels. So I thinkthat this twelve they may have finally gotten

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it right. They really did,because everybody wants to see underdogs prevailed,
and they always say in any givenday NFL, College or whatever, you
don't know in that upset, letalone when the States are on higher on
the big stage. Well, Scott, I must apologize too, because I
forgot a couple of years ago Universityof Central Florida win the national championship in
football. So I apologize to allthe fluid unions for Eddie met Oh No,

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did they really They claimed it?Yeah, right, you said it.
They claimed it so anyway, butthat was a good example. I
mean, they had a tremendous run, and they were a good team.
But I just think that, youknow, even looking at them from a
resource standpoint and from a players standpointand everything else, they just couldn't.

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I believe, they couldn't measure upand they can play four quarters with a
team from the SEC or from theBig Ten. The one thing I learned
when we went from the a SECto the Big ten immediately was our first
home game that we had against OhioState. I'm standing on the field and

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the team Ohio State team runs byme, and I'm saying, this is
gonna be a long day because theyhad some very big, strong, fast
people, and I think that's thedifference between the elite teams and the other
teams. It's just the physical natureof the makeup of the players is different.

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First of all, Kevin, there'sno need to apologize the number two.
Under this twelve team format, versto Central Florida would have gone to
that playoffs and they would have hadtheir opportunity, So apology not necessary.
Central Florida under this format would havegotten in there. And then at that
point there's no self proclaiming national championships. I will tell you though, at
program since GEORGIOE. Leary put iton the map has showed some continuity with

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I think Josh Hypel got involved andof course now customels on and I think
Terry Mohajer is the athletic director,and I worked with him over at Florida
Atlantic University, and Terry I tooka job I think if I remember at
Arkansas State before he took on this. So you know, it's not like
I don't know people in the industrythat you're in, because you know,
when you're working in college football,it's a it's a really really small window

(42:57):
where you work with people on aregular basis. I'll have a very interesting
dilemma here because now I'm heavily involvedin Miami Hurricanes, I really really am.
So I'm going to have to spendas much time that I can in
Coral Gables doing their media days andgetting on there every once in a while.
And of course I'm going to certainlysee all the Canes games. But
more importantly, what I'll also beable to do is being able to Tom

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Herman over at FAU. They're inmy backyard, so I'll be able to
participate in some of those events aswell, you know, that are closer
to home, so you know,but it's pretty neat. So all right,
let's talk about Maryland going to theBig Ten. I segued and threw
a tease out there for it,but as we continue to talk, and
I kept resourcing the whole thing.So let's talk about the Maryland and the

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Big Ten. You have the ACCnetwork developed teams and their hands are tied
because of the long term deal andit's harder for them to leave. So
give me your thoughts on how allof this transpired, and then you have
to wonder at that particular point whatgoes on, because, let's face it,
you masterminded to me, one ofthe biggest coops that you can get

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in Maryland in there, and we'vealready indicated that market had something to do
with it. We're not going tolet the media dictate everything, even know
I'm a part of it. Butthat was to me a great movement getting
Maryland into the Big ten. Imean, let's face it, the Big
ten in SEC or way ahead ofthe cash cow. People can say what
they want about the Big Ten becauseof their inability to win national championships on

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a as frequent as the SEC.But the thing that we should both we
both understand is a Big ten wasfirst one that came to the incident replay
system, and they're always making money. So they can say what they want
about the Big Ten, but everybody'scopying the Big Ten. But let's talk
about how you really pulled off theMaryland coop to get them into the Big

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ten, and then talk about onthe second part of the question, the
acc situation. So right now,there's a national conference of Athletic directors.
So we would get together in smallgroups and you know, friends, maybe
have a beer, smoke a cigarand just talk about things. So one

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of the things that I remember wetalked about before I went to Maryland is
looking at the expansion and how itwent when Maryland, I mean when the
Big Ten took Nebraska. So Ihad a friend who was close to some
Big ten people and just start talkingabout do you think it would be possible?

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So he talked, he reached outto some people. So at first,
Commissioner Delaney I don't think was interested. One of the reasons why they
had gone to Maryland years before that, and Maryland said they had no interest.
But then what happened is the accwas able to bring Notre Dame in
as a partial partner. Right.That changed the landscape, That changed the

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thinking of the Big Ten. Andso now it was Commissioner Delaney having a
conversation with me saying, you know, are you still interested? I talked
to the president he was, Igot the look, I've got the board
of trustees involved in it, andso we started to explore it. But

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the thing that people didn't realize andit came out, and for good reason,
this wasn't totally a money deal.The money was great, but if
you look at it, Maryland's aflagship state school and all the other schools
in the Big ten are except Northwestern, and academically it's not a bad school

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and athletically they're competitive as well.If you look at the ACC all those
schools, there's private schools, publicschools, all kind of different schools,
and there wasn't a lot of collaborationwith the Big Ten. The schools are

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involved academically. The professors get togetherfrom all the schools. If you're a
student in one of the Big Tenschools and you want to pursue a class
that your other school might not have, you're able to pursue it in the
Big Ten. They have. Theyhave various abroad programs that every school can

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work with one another and take advantageof that. So there were many opportunities
beyond just the money that the BigTen was more attractive because it looked more
like Maryland than any of the ACCschools. The other thing is is that
football brand was being neglected. Okay, and at that time, I mean

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Clemson in Florida State. I thinkthey were looking at a way out.
We were looking at scheduling how manygames. At one meeting, we decided
that we're going to go to ninegames a season rather than eight. Then
come back and we do eight.Well, Clemson had to give up a
couple games against South Carolina and Georgiabecause we changed the schedule. Then they

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changed it back. So you know, there were just so many things to
look upon that we could take advantageof at being a big ten member that
we couldn't do in the ACC.And you know it worked out for us.
Now, Scott, one thing Ishared with you that I haven't shared
with many people that move personally impacteda lot of friendships on my part.

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Well really yeah, mister Swaffer andI John was a big supporter of mine,
very helpful. I mean, itformed, it created wedge between us,
and then there was some of theathletic directors that didn't particularly care for
us going on. But you knowthat's another topic for another day. Right,

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Well, first of all, youhad to do. It was in
the best interests of the Maryland programin general. And you know, I
want to point out to Jeremy beingand I want to get this one up
here. Thank goodness. My guestspot was at seven thirty, so I
am here. Well, Jeremy,the reality is, you know we're going
to do another show with Melfire andI and Kevin, So you're going to
be a part of that broadcast whenwe put it together before long. So
thanks Jeremy, glad you really areon there. So all right, you

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talked about Nebraska. Here's my observationson that. Okay, Nebraska, to
me was jealous of the fact thatOklahoma and Texas took away what we call
the Oklahoma Nebraska once upon a time. But actually, to Nebraska's credit,
they what the Big Ten wanted outof them was a strong, historical football

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type of school and the reality isthey got them. But now it's backfiring.
Okay against Nebraska is guess what,the Big Ten's a whole lot bigger
than what you had at that time, the Big Eight. And as a
result, Nebraska football is getting humbledlike I've never seen a program. So

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when you're going to the Big Ten, you're getting the big payday, but
you're getting hammered. And you know, one of the matchups I have to
watch every year, Kevin is watchingNebraska and Wisconsin because I'm gonna tell you,
the Badgers are using the corner Huskersas whipping boys. I mean,
you know, you think about Wisconsin, you know, solid pretty good school,

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right, and then Nebraska, whohad their way, and all of
a sudden they get to Big Ten. You ever heard of that thing called
humble Pie, right, Kevin,Well, you hit the nail on the
head. The Big Ten took Nebraskabecause of its foot ball brand, because
if you look at all the otherthings that came along with it, they

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lost their AA stant So every memberof the Big Ten is in the American
Association of of Academics, which is, you know, prestigious, and so
Nebraska lost that as well. AndI mean, they haven't been the football
program that they used to be in. You know, they have suffered competitively

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for the last couple of years.So I believe that if it was done
all over again, Texas and Oklahomawould be in the Big Ten. Really,
you know what, I think You'reright on target there. Canada really
do? Meanwhile, Nebraska is gettingthe corn Husker ripped out of them.

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I couldn't help using a corn reverenceor I apologize for using what you call
a food analogy. So, andeven Jeremy's funny and this is one of
thost comical guys that got in.Nebraska even loses to per don't that's pretty
shore. So Jeremy, you'll worrywhen you get to know this guy,
you'll find he's probably the most candidatecharacter we have. Yeah, I just

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think that you know to me thatNebraska got hammered. I mean, hey,
listen, didn't collect the paycheck.But now they're the whipping boy instead
of being the whipping boy. Allright, So, as we continue on
Kevin with the Big Ten theme alittle bit, are the Big Ten and
SEEC done expand one? Because let'sjust we're gonna break this down into two

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parts. We certainly saw USC andusc LA joining the Big Ten, So
let's talk about the first part ofthe question. Okay, are they done
expanding for now? I think so. And one of the reasons why is
the media partners aren't gonna put anymore money in the pot. Okay,

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So I know that the athletic directorsand the presidents in the Big ten and
the SEC aren't willing to give upa piece of their share to bring somebody
else in unless ESPN or Fox,CBS, NBC come and say, okay,

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you could bring these people in andwe'll give you some more money.
So that's kind of stuff. Butthe other thing is is that and this
is just speculation on my part,Okay, I'll take your speculation all day,
but you have an Oregon with oneof the richest alumni in the world,

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who has a unbelievable company that promotesand works alongside intercollegiate athletics, and
they could get any traction and movingsomeplace. So that tells you something,
right. It also tells you that, you look at this is all driven

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with the media markets. So Imean the LA schools, I mean that
that was a no brainer and nowit's you know, it's just going to
make that even more competitive. Butthe concern I would have for the Los
Angeles schools is that they're not competingin the in the Pac twelve anymore,

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and that the Big Ten brings itevery Saturday, so it's going to be
very competitive for them going into theconference. But you know, I think
that what we're going to well,what I would like to see is that

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football and basketball is their own separateentity, right particularly with the football travel,
it doesn't really impact the student aso when you look at that,
it's a misnomer. But what itdoes impact most of the other sports.
At one time they were talking aboutin the nca in federating the sports,

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so soccer would oversee soccer. Volleyballwould oversee volleyball. But the other thing,
you could do it. You couldbreak it up however you want to.
You could have six quads covering thestates where you could have that competition,
so you could keep it. Youcould keep it local, and you
could keep it where the travel wouldnot be expensive, and then you could

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still have the championships and everything else. But you know, I know,
like baseball, okay, baseball,you know, you travel during the week,
you're gone all weekend and everything else. So having to go for USC
to have to go play Rutgers ona weekend, that's a tough That's a

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tough trip for baseball and for someof the other sports. So it's going
to be challenging and hopefully they'll becreative. The other thing, and I
started to talk about this before,there's avoidant leadership, right, I mean
in the NCAA. Now I cansit down with some of my colleagues and

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if anybody's listening now to say,oh no, he didn't say that,
but it's true. I mean everybodysees this. And so now hopefully this
new president of the NCAA will getpeople and sit down and fix some of
these things that can because if itcontinues to go any further, Saturdays just
going to be Sunday now. Soyou might as well just look at it

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because it becomes professional if you startpaying. Well, in California, they're
trying to they're trying to pass abill now where every student athlete will be
paid. So my question is there'snot enough TV money to go around that's
going to be able to pay thesebills and others. I mean there's schools

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now that are making millions of millions. Well, let me go back,
because we talked about this, ScottSure. When I worked at Stanford University,
they had a four hundred and ninetymillion dollars endowment for the athletic department.
Wow, most of the schools inthis country don't have a four hundred
and ninety million dollar endowment, andnow it's probably almost a billion in that

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And Stanford was going to cut sportsbecause they still couldn't maintain the amount of
money it costs to run these programs. So what does that tell you?
Right? Okay, I mean there'sone there's one place that I'm very familiar
with that built a very beautiful,very efficient, very good football practice this

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facility, locker rooms and everything else. They're still wondering how they're going to
find a hundred million dollars to paythis thing up. That's true, all
right, So I have to bringthis up. USC and UCLA are going
to experience the same fate Nebraska isgoing to do. You know why,

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because they're not used to going toEast Lansing in the middle of the winter,
ann Arbor, Perdue, Indiana,Wisconsin. I mean, let's not
kid our still it's a big tenfor the Rose Bowl. They're used to
going out to southern California and allthat. But when these schools have to
come to the East coast, Midwestand so forth, let me tell you

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one thing. I wonder whether ornot USC and UCLA will understand what handwarmers
are. Because that they don't,they're gonna learn awfully quick, and all
of a sudden, the playing fieldisn't going to be even because a lot
of the big ten schools know howto play in this and they're gonna have
to adapt to it. They really, really, really are. And I'm
sure that I'm sure you probably thoughtabout that just a little bit of an

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extent amateur. Well, Scott soit doesn't even matter what the weather is
the one thing that we experience atMaryland our first year, going into all
those places that you talked to,and you're playing in front of a hundred
thousand people, and you know,well, look at the PAC twelve.

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I think Oregon sells out Washington ifit's a good game. A sc was
struggling for a long time. They'rejust coming back now. Ucla can't get
anybody out the Rose Bowl. SoI mean that's just a different dynamic going
in there. And to be honestwith you, I think if you look

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at both California schools, they don'tknow what it takes to be that Ohio
State, that Penn State because ofthe support they get throughout the community,
throughout the administration, throughout the state. Gary Williams, you brought Gary,
So. Gary tells me he shareda great story with me. So he

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becomes a head coach at Ohio State. First football Saturday, he's coach.
He goes out to get his newspaperand the entire neighborhood have Ohio state flags
up and everything else. He hadto run to the hardware store and get
a couple of Ohio State plan flagsto put in his front yard so people

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knew that he was part of theteam. I mean that's I mean,
the extent of how this goes,it's unbelievable and until you experience you can't
fathom everything that comes along with it. You know, Kevin, it's amazing
how you brought that out of youwhen you think of the amount of stadiums
that between seventy and one hundred thousandin the Big ten. Let's have a

(01:01:02):
little fun with this one, okay. Let's talk about the fact that Penn
State Happy Valley won't be a happyvalley for those teams going in there.
We know Ohio States and intimidating placehave yet to be there before Camp Randall,
I didn't know anything about to jumparound until I went there one time
against Penn State, and I thoughtthe whole place was going to fall apart
partning ignorance. But now that Ilook back on, it's a bucketless place.

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Michigan, Michigan State, and ofcourse I just alluded in Nebraska.
So when you look at all theseplaces, they're going to be playing in
much bigger crowds. And then ifyou add the cold weather to it,
as George Eichorn would say, you'llhave the long Johns too. I mean,
let's not kid yourself. It's cold, but when it's cold and loud,

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that to me is a very verystrong combination, Kevin, isn't it?
Oh? Absolutely absolutely? You know, I mean going in, it's
just it's an experience of a lifetime. Now. The great thing for the
UCLA and USC athletes experience and thatthere's like no other. I mean it's

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very difficult to go into a stadiumwith its half full. People aren't energized,
you know, they're drinking chardonnay,they're talking about going to the ballet
or whatever. No, these folksthat in the sec these folks eat,
drink and sleep football and this isyou know, we won I think four

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or five games, but that wholeyear was quite an experience for everybody and
it definitely opened our eyes to whatfootball in the Big ten was all about.
Well, I will tell you mychoice of alcoholic beverages. I don't
drink much in this order would bewine, coolers would be margaritas and mudslides.

(01:02:52):
So depending on what mood I'm in, I'm not here to send an
alcoholic message, but those are andif you really want to get dangerous,
go to New Orleans, have apat O'Brian's hurricane. And I'm telling you
one thing, your head is goingto look like a top when you get
done with that quiet hangover you're aboutto deal with. But we'll leave it
at that, all right, Solet's talk about expansion further on the West

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coast. You touched on it anyways. Now I want to go a little
bit deeper into this. Okay,Well, the Big ten ever expand to
Oregon, Washington, call or Stanford. And I think that from a logistical
standpoint travel wise, if you haveat least four schools in that part of
the country, it would help alittle bit. And you know, let's
face the reality, if you cansnap up cal and Stanford in the San

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Francisco Bay area, or you're ableto get Phil Nike or Washington where you
have Seattle and then you have Nikemoney, I think that those are these
sensible alternatives. I should they everget to the West Coast, wouldn't they?
Yeah? I think that's that's themove that they should be. Where
they probably are looking at the otherthing is, yes, SEC's looking at

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spanding. So I believe that itcould come down to two conferences instead of
the five we have now because thePac twelve I don't know how they're going
to be able to exist, right. It's just that, you know,
they were told that they if theydid and form their own network and did
all this, that they were goingto be raining in money. Well,

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the reason why USC and UCLA haveleft is because none of that money materialized.
I mean, Martin Jarman at UCLAis working with a twenty million dollar
deficit, if not more. USCI mean they're struggling, and I mean
they have a very robust alumni,but it's still it's still not enough because

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they need that financial boost to becompetitive and be able to keep up and
do what the other teams are doing. And so I think that it's going
to get to where it could betwo maybe three conferences. I think the
next one you have to look atis what the Big twelve is going to
do. Right. But again notto take anything away, but if you

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look at those teams and the componentof it, I don't know how it
it instills a matter of excitement withinthe community because it's not like the SEC
or the Big ten schools. Right, all right, Well, what that

(01:05:36):
said, you really now you're touchingon something that we were going to talk
about, and I'm going to exploitthat question just a little bit. Okay,
you predicted that the Big twelve PACtwelve a SEC their best chance of
survival as to actually merge, andyou talked about the fact that Oregon State,
Washington State, Arizona, ANSU theyhave no place to go. No,

(01:05:59):
I mean, they could go backto the Big twelve, but I
don't, I don't know where.I don't see that happening. I think
that if you looked at it intotality and what the best and next move
should be is that they should lookat seeing if they couldn't combine and come
together as a unit. And thenI believe that they could look at the

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way that the SEC has looked atit as making sure that you know,
you could have people stay in theircertain regions and they come together and have
championships. But again, it wouldbe best for the student athlete because you're
not taking that time away from theclassroom and you're not you know, traveling

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from coast to coast. So Ithink that if you look at it,
that makes the most sense. Butagain, a lot of things make sense
that haven't been done. So Imean, if they made me King for
the day, that's what I wouldbe looking at. But the only thing
about that is, Scott, youand I talked about this. Yeah,

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there's three commissioners. If you consolidatedthose three conferences, there's only one commissioner.
That's who would that be? Yeah? I know. You know a
guy that I met over at theConference USA championship game when FAU was a
guy by the name of Merton Hanks, and he's on the morn bright on

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the bright. Yes, oh damwell, you know what I want you
to do. Then I want youto talk to Merton. Okay, tell
him to come on with you andI and Mel and Jeremy and I guarantee
we'll have a real bit. I'llput you on my biggest sports shill,
the Sports Exchange, if you canpull that one off. Okay, well,
let's do that. Worry. Itold you this. You are definitely
never going to be a one anddone. Now where you're gonna be whether

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or not your signals any good andpress, Scott Arizona, I don't know,
but I'm gonna tell you when youget my wheels turning Okay, that's
another story. And by the way, my motor say a manmouth had should
be arriving any day now anyway,So okay, So I want to go
over a bunch more things. I'mglad we have a significant amount of time.
So you said you took a lotof pride in your commander's chief trophy

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or Air Force not Army. Doyou feel that's one of your biggest accomplishments.
Yes, to be part of Well, I don't know accomplishment is the
right word, but it was oneof the best experiences that I've had.
Okay, well, experiences, there'sa good word to supplement it. Working

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with Troy Calhoun and his staff.God bless Nate Pine bringing me here and
let me be part of this.I mean, the last couple of years
has been a tremendous experience because theone thing that this has allowed me to
do is that for the majority ofmy time I've been able to spend it

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with the coaches and the players,and I haven't I haven't had to indulge
the grown ups as much as Ihave in the past. And trust me,
that was pretty nice. Well,I know when we talked, Okay,
this is really cool stuff. Okay, they you've accomplished everything except a

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college football title. That isn't theworst thing on the planet, Isn't it?
A college football title? Now,if you would have been into twelteen
format, that might have been checkedoff device. So go deeper into that
one, Scott. I mean,I have truly been blessed, and a

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lot of times I have to ask, you know, what did God see
in me to put me in thisposition? But I'm not questioning they were
complaining because I've had a tremendous,tremendous journey, and I've been with so
many great people, but so manygreat young people. And you know,
everybody says, well, you knowthey've benefit of I benefited from them because

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the one thing that if anything happenseach and every day for me, I
wake up with a smile because Iknow I'm going to interact with all of
this young, brilliant energy that youknow, I mean, makes my day
each and every day. And tobe honest with you, it's not even
a job. It's not even ajob. It's it's a ministry. And

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I've been able to just be partof this and be able to be influential
in life and have people be influentialin my life and really expanded who I
am and what I am, becauseyou know, I'm just a poor boy
from the state school. And forme to get and do the things I've
been able to do in these positionsand doing this is just is it's the

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best, all right, for allyou people out there in the chat room
as well as around the world.Do you think when I'm doing as a
job, I want your feedback inthe chat room because me personal, I
don't think it is, but youknow, or entitled everybody's opinion, so
you know, so what that said, you talk about academics every time I
get a media distribution thing. BecauseI have a lot of media distribution partners

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that send me information. I cantell you how fast they get up on
social media. Is when I havea good academic type of accomplishment, any
accomplishment, I move it a littlequicker across the post board. But you
talk about the fact that you've hadvery successful academic programs and you inherited some
poor academics. So I'd like youto elaborate a bit further on that.

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Well, you know, it's alwaysbeen my major motivation being in this line
of work to be able to getthese young people in the education so they
could better their life and move forward. I mean, I can't tell you
how many young people that I haveworked with that we're first generation college students,

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and it hadn't been for athletics,I don't think they would have gone
to college. So, you know, I mean, that's the beauty,
and I go back again talking aboutthe value of the scholarship. But here's
something that really is alarming and concernsme that is happening. Now we have
coaches that cannot go into these youngpeople's houses and talk about academics because the

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first thing these young people say is, oh, coach, you don't think
I'm good enough to go to theleague. And so now they said,
well, we can't even go inand talk about academics. We talk about
the program, we talk about ourrecord, we talk about the uniforms that
we wear, the places that youknow, our practice facility, our locker
room. And that's another thing thatreally upsets me is that if you look

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at these locker rooms, they've gotbulling alleys, they've got barbarous opts,
they've got pool tables, they've gotxboxes, couches, and everything else.
And I mean it's just over.Don't need it in my estimation, don't
need it. But you know,the whole thing is what we got to

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be competitive. We have to havewhat the Joneses have down the street in
order to attract kids. That's whatthis is going all gone to got to
is that we're I mean I'm aroundpeople and I hear them complain about the
young people of today, how theyfeel entitled or everything else. Well,
time out, folks. You knowwe created this. We created this.

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The other thing that I found too, that's that's interesting is I don't know
how competitive we are bringing up ourkids and having them be competitive. As
a country, we're not as competitiveas we used to be. And you
know that all started with and Scott, are you ready because I know you're

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going to get some complaints on thisone. I don't care when we started.
You know, everybody gets a trophy. Yeah, that's not healthy.
You know, you know there's timesin life where you win and you celebrate,
but there's times in life where youlose and you have to look at

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the reasons why you lost and thatyou have to take it seriously. And
now, I mean, I couldtell you right now, most of the
locker rooms in this country, collegelocker rooms, you could go in there
for two minutes, the upset thatthey might have lost the game. After
that, they're on their phone,they're talking about going. I mean I

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used to I would sulk for daysif I lost. You know, I
mean, maybe people might say thatI was a bad loser, but losing
impact at me as much or morethan winning, because I did not want
to lose pre nothing. And soyou know, I think the edge of
the country has been decimated by this. And I'll go back again and you

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ask me one of the beautiful reasonswhy I am here at the Air Force
Academy and was at West Point,because those young men and women wanted to
win, and they knew that theyhad to start learning how to win when
they were competing as an athlete,because where they could have ended up ended
up losing. Losing cannot exist,can't happen because in losing there's a lot

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of really bad things that happened.So, you know, I mean that's
been my experience, and again it'sbeen a wonderful path that I've been on.
Kevin, I, I say,an easy question for a change Okay
ready, because they get even harderas I go forward. Okay, what
type of self do you have?Do you have a smartphone? I have

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an Apple? Oh yeah, metoo, So that's a great mind.
Single egg and Apple people think oflike good stuff. So the reason why
I asked you the question about kindof cell phone is do you have a
role of dex in there so highwith all the students and all the people
that have impacted there that contact youon a basis regular basis looking for advice

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and are thankful for what you've donefor them. On June thirtieth, they're
going to have a celebration of mycareer. And one of the things that
was important to me is is thatthe young people, some of the young
people that I impacted, I've invitedthem and I want them to be there

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and I want them to speak.You know, I could have had other
people there, but I think themost valuable thing that I want to share
with the people that will attend,right is how great these young people are
that I've been able to work withand to hear them, and I just
want them to speak on you know, how these events in their lives have

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changed them because they're tremendous young menand young women doing great things for our
nation. And so you know,that's if there's been a reward, a
gift, you know, a trophythat said. I interviewed a coach a
long time ago, and I've alwayslived with what he told me. I

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said, how do you measure yoursuccess? And he said, it's not
in the four years five years thatI have these young people. It's after
that. It's when I'm walking inthe grocery store, or I'm at the
airport or wherever i might be,a young man or woman come up to

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me, Coach. I don't knowif you remember me, but I'm so
and so, and this is whatI'm doing now in my life. This
is my family, my snick tothe other and things. I mean,
there's no better gift than that.There's no better gift than that when I
talk to the young people that I'vebeen with and they tell me what they're

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doing and everything else. I mean, right now, I'm getting goose clubs
because I just close my eyes andI look at all these young people and
what they're doing is tremendous, youknow, in our communities, in our
country. And you know, I'llalways have that to live. Nobody could
take that away from me, allright. But my original question, and
I'm glad you added more to it. How many contacts you have in your

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Apple Phone? Oh? A lot? That's good enough for me I wanted,
but I'm glad you added more toit. Don't get me wrong.
So what no I do? Sick? It's cool a guy of your that
the reason why that question was askingthe ask, Evin, is for an
individual like yourself who has been inthis business so long and has affected so

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many people, this should be theultimate compliment from an individual like you who
has affected the lives both ending outof the service academies. And I think
it's just incredible. I mean,wherever you get honored, in my opinion,
I've got my honor just sitting infront of this camera with you talking
about a lot of different things thatwe're just going on until we're done and

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or well far from joining, andI still have more to talk about.
But I'm glad I have somebody likeyou willing to put it all out there
for us as well to do itnow here in my neck of the woods,
two coaches that I've really looked somuch upon is Mike Jarvis obviously former
Saint John's. They worked at FAUand Howard Stellenberger. First question, should

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Howard Snellenberger be into College Football Hallof Fame? Because what really annoys me
is this guy was a program builder, took his beating and I think the
five hundred and a record. Tome, there should be times where certain
things are away based on the man'soverall resume. Howard Schellenberger first of all,
going to coach Jarvis, no question. I mean, Miami wouldn't be

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Miami today without coach. I meanhe started and it went beyond football.
Well, Miami's big on brand.Coach is the one who branded Miami right.
Coach was the one who opened people'seyes and got folks down there and

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built it to what it is today. There's no question that he should be
in the Hall of Fame, noquestion. I mean he did tremendous things.
You know. Now have some peoplequestion some of the things that he's
done in the university did but theydo that to all of us, and
you know, I mean you haveto be competitive in this business and ordered

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to stay anytime at all. ButI mean what he didn't I'm want to
go back to what you just saida minute ago. He impacted positively a
lot of kids from Florida that weren'tbeing being done with what he did and
have that kind of encouragement and influenceon their life. So yeah, no

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question, I'm with you on that, Scott. So you and I should
vote for that. We should wellmake sure you give me a vote.
I'll make sure I definitely get in. But bear in mind though, too,
Kevin. I've worked with him atthe University of Miami in eighty two
and eighty three and then I endedup following him up to FAU, so
I know what kind of and he'sa role model like a father figure to
me. The other one I mentionedtoo is Mike Jarvis. Great basketball coach,

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but I think he's just a betterhuman being and he's come on my
show from time to time as well. But I love Coach Jarvis. Every
time I needed him, he wasalways there for me. Like I said,
he's a father figuring to me.I have him in my phone anyways,
and anytime you need me, giveme a call. He's always been
there and I'm one of my beststories about Coach Jarvis though, as I'm
covering FAU in a bowl game inDetroit. I believe it was a Motor

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City Bowl at the time, butthey ended up taking on I believe Central
Michigan. And then I ended upand just so happens, Coach Jarvis took
the owls down to Lexington. SoI go through the FAUPR department. Listen,
I'm doing both of them back toback. Get me in Rupp Arena.
They did. I mean, let'sface it, I'm one of their

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writers anyways, right, and CoachJarvis and I just sat and locker room
and just talked as long as wewanted. Now Here was the interesting part
about it was is that heavy youthplaying couldn't get out of there. Were
stuck on the runway for four hoursand I'm driving down seventy five right near
Monroe, and I had to goto a restaurant because I couldn't see anything.
And I got to the area probablyaround eight nine in the morning.

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We got the game and Rupp Arenawas ready. But Coach Jarvis has been
there with no other time. Soyou know, you talk about participation,
I knew you were going down thisrole with me. I just think that
a lot of bowl games at fortysome Now it's totally absurd. Do you
agree, Scott? When you watchthese bull games? How many people are

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in the stands exactly? So letme ask you this, do you think
those young men that are playing inthose bowl games? Because what are the
things we talk about is we wantthem to have a great experience, right,
Well, part of having a greatexperience in competing is to have him

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some people there that can cheer youon. I mean basically what we're doing
now, it's it's just a TVgame, right, you know, I
guess and I look at it differently. Many people will tell me that it's

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meaningful that they're able to compete ina bowl game and that you know,
it enhances a student experience. SoI'll go for that. But again,
I'm gonna go back to what Isaid earlier about the participation trophy. Six
and six should not allow anybody togo play in a bowl game. Well,

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they're even going five and seven ifthey can't, Scott, don't don't
even get me involved and start talkingabout that. But you know, I
mean, it's all driven by economics, and so we're gonna get what we
get with that. But I'm oldschool, and I want to see people
in the stands as well as watchingit on TV. I'm old school too,

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but I will tell you the onlything I do like about the Bowl
Games, only one thing only isit gives these kids a chance to play
one more game in front of proscouts. That's the only thing I like
about them, because you know,anytime you can get in many eyes on
you game film with NFL scouts,that's the only value think of the Bowl
Games. The rest. I'm totallywith you. I'm old school too,

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okay, but that's I can't findnothing else positive. Playing inside of an
empty stains, a very little mediacoverage to go ahead, and playing a
participation postseason game whatever you want tocall it, I don't even care.
Yeah, well, yeah, you'reright, you're right. Pro scouts,
no problem. One more opportunity toget in front of film. And then

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you have the All Star Games,which is another story and I don't want
to get into that, but that'sthe only thing I care about the Bowl
Games, or just one more chanceof these kids to get in front of
people, because you never know thereality is, Kevin, you don't know
where the head and gem is goingto come. Once upon a time,
Walter Playton Peyton played at Jackson State. Right, Okay, so you have
smaller schools. So with that said, I want to go back. Well,
let me know one thing you saidand help set um. It just

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slipped my mind. I'll come backto it if it comes back. No,
that's okay. So what we're gonnado is we're gonna stay in the
South. Where do you think Miamiand Florida State could be headed to?
I think their prime for the SECalong with Clemson. Yeah, I think
that if you look at it froma football standpoint, that makes the best

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best sense. When we left theACC, I know there was a big
concern that Florida and Clemson would leadto And part of the reason why the
ACC network now exists is because Marylandleft. And so what they wanted to

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do is make sure that they tiedup the multimedia rights with the other schools,
and they did a good job ofdoing that. But now they've left
negotiating power from being able to makea new deal. And if you look
at all the money out there now, and they can't get into the game
to what thirty thirty two? Right, So I mean when we left,

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we were I think we were gettingtwenty eight thirty million, and so you
know, I mean, at thattime you could compete, although it was
challenging to compete with that. Butnow when you're dealing with all these other
conferences, particularly the Big Ten inthe SEC, when you're looking at the

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Big ten and skin each member gettingseventy five eighty million dollars, makes it
hard to compete. All right,Well, I'm going to throw a couple
of things. You're away, becauseI know you're the right guy to answer
at number one. If I werethe Big Ten, I couldn't get Miami
and Florida stayed in fast enough becausewe know the Big Ten loves to recruit

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in Florida. We've seen how manythey're able to do. Notre Dame to
me that they're live off that independentthing, but at some point they got
to make a move. Anyhow,I think the logical place is a Big
ten other Notre Dame will din in. I don't know. And I still
think if the Big ten needs shouldget those other four schools that we mentioned
earlier, but let's talk about FloridaState. In Miami, I think the

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Hurricanes and the Seminoles should go tothe Big Ten. So the Big Ten
is talking about now you got Laor the California market, you got the
Midwest, you got East. Theonly thing you don't have left as the
southeast and Florida State Miami together.Now you're in the Sunshine State. What's
left? I mean, I don'tthink there's much left in Texas that they
could go after. Miami and FloridaState to me, would be ideal fits

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in the Big Ten. What doyou think. I like the way you're
thinking. And again it just givesthem further exposure or gets them into some
big medium markets and then they arecovering the four corners of the United States.
You're back to the GMTA again.And I know you're a memory,

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right. I believe that when theywere going through all these discussions that the
Big Ten wanted to move and bringin two more members and one of those
members was in the South, butthey decided not to come. Well it's

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fine, I said in Miami andFlorida State should go. And let's not
kid or so Florida doesn't want Miamiand Florida State in the SEC. No,
they don't know, they really,I mean they're in the say we
don't want them. It's bad enoughthat we can that they haven't. You
know, the Gators have struggled inrecent years. I think the last time
that they did anything big was withUrban Meyer there. But you think they

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want those two schools in that conferencewhen that conference approval enough as it is,
well in South Carolina doesn't win Clemson. Oh, there you go.
So there are a lot of thoseschools that don't want these other flowerhouses because
they know they're gonna experience the samething that Arizona's faced. You know,
Arizona's never I don't think they've everinto a Rose Bowl. And I have
a feeling that those other schools thatwere alluding to, particularly South Carolina,

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will probably be relegated to a lowertier bowl compared to a lot of the
major ones. We can talk aboutthat another time. So let's talk about
Dion Sanders. Okay, he dida remarvelous job at Jackson State, then
moved to Colorado and obviously he hada large scholarship turnover, and I think

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they are headed towards to the Bigtwelve. So why don't you assess the
job that Dion Sanders did and let'stalk about the Colorado thing. You're talking
about large scholarship turnover, and whenyou talked about the fact that the lost
value in the scholarship, it's likePrime Time certainly might kind of agree with
you. I don't think there hasany value or at least what the ones

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that they have. But what aboutthe influence, And then I want to
get into Bethune Cookman a little bit. Let's focus on this. So in
the two years coach Sunders has broughthbcusing and giving them visibility, helped put
a brand on them, let themget some media rights, and do some

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things media wise that they weren't doingbefore he got down there. I mean,
people question canny coach. Well,the team was pretty successful under his
leadership. But the other thing thatI marvel at is that Colorado sold out

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the stadium for the spring game.They've never done that before, and now
the season tickets. I think alltheir games are sold out. So I
mean, if anything, he's justput them back on the map and gave
them some visibility. Now the questionis he's going to have to perform and
do it on the field. Youknow, I think he's a tremendous motivator.

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Tremendous motivator, but the other thingis if you listen to him,
he instills some discipline in these youngpeople, and he treats every one of
his football players like his son,right, So there's a lot to say
for that too. My question isif and when he has success in Colorado,

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does Florida State say why don't youcome home? If they don't do
what they're supposed to do. AndI mean, you know, they had
a good year last year. Sothis whole thing is going to be very
interesting. But a lot of peopleI know aren't a fan. I'm a
big fan of his because you know, he did what they brought him in
to do, right. You know, he said, you know, he

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got everybody's attention, and now lookwhat's happening. So I mean, I
just wish him the best of luckand I think that he will have some
success now. Losing all those playersthat went into the portal again, you
know, you have to ask wasit him or was it them? Right

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now, one of the things hetalked about is coming in there, I
want you to do it, andI want you to do it right,
and I want you to be competitive. Well that kind of shows me that
the last couple of staffs have broughtthose kids in and seeing what the record
is, how competitive were they.I'm not even talking about talent wise,
because you know, you can gettalent, but when you get at this

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level and you're playing at this level, it takes more than talent because you're
looking at somebody across the line thatprobably has as much talent as you.
So now it becomes desire and heart. And so one of the things that
I think he's done a tremendous jobof he's been able to look in these
young people that he's bringing to hisuniversity and seeing that they have and will

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be competitive and have heart. Okay, had an incident in Florida recently,
and I'm sure you're probably followed itas much as I did, where Ed
Reid was hired as the coach atBethune Cookman University and recently when I was
there occurring the Daytona Tortugos over MemorialDay. You know, it's hard to
not look around Bethune Cookman to realizethat when you see it with your own

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eyes, that situation turned out tobe ugly. And I think this a
black mark on Bethune Cookman University hada guy like Ed Reid was really ready
invested to do it. So howdo you feel about the events the way
they played out at Bethune Cookman Universityand Ed Reid do? I want to

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say, is the one that gotaway? On the surface, that certainly
seems that way. So I thinkthat we have to ask a couple of
questions. Sure, what was hetold and what was he promised going into
the job, right? And evidentlyfrom what I've read and what I've heard,

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they promised him one thing and thenwhen he got there and he asked
for some of those things, itwasn't there and they couldn't do it.
Wow. And to be realistic goinginto this, I mean, you have
these power five schools that struggle financially. So if you look at these other
schools, I mean, they're operatingon fumes, right, And so we

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have to ask ourselves. I mean, again we talk about we want to
create a great environment for the studentathlete, we want them to have a
great experience. Well, was Granblinga couple of years ago where they didn't
even have enough uniforms and the lockerrooms where the kids protested I believe and

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they boycott. So I mean yougot to look at all of this and
we got to see what are wedoing? What is fair? And so
I don't know what Ed's circum stanceswere, but it sounds like that he
was promised a lot of things thatthey weren't going to be able to materialize,
and he wasn't going to stay inthat situation. And I've seen it

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before where coaches have to get upin front of these young people and not
tell the truth. I got agreat story for you. There's an athletic
director at San Jose State. Along time ago. They were having budget
issues and he wanted to save somemoney. So he went into his football

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coach and he said they were playingI believe at Wreckers. So he said,
hey, coach, here's what Ineed you to do. I need
you to get on the Red Eye. I need you to go back to
New Jersey. I need you toget off the plane, go play the
game. After the game, getback on the plane and come home.

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The coach told him and said,well, sir, I'll do that,
but the only way I'll do thatis you go in and tell those kids
what we're gonna do. Right.They ended up going the night before,
staying in the hotel playing a gameand then coming home. But I mean,
you cannot run a program doing thingslike that. Now, like I

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Scott, you and I talked about, there's a lot of extravagant things that
are going on. Yeah, soI think that you know, you need
to look at those and you needto see where are we going to make
the investment? Right? Yeah,it kind of makes you wonder a little
bit too because you think about it. Bethune Cookman's coming down here to play

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the Miami Hurricanes on a Thursday nightgame on the ECC Network. Listen,
Kevin, I was at that lastgame when they rolled up seventy seven points,
and you know, unfortunately the realityis is Ed Reid won't be on
the side lines and Bethune Cookman couldbe. If you thought seventy seven points
was bad before, let alone potentialbad blood that exists with the ad Rees

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situation, I wouldn't be surprised tosee the Miami Hurricane put up eighty to
ninety points in that game because BethuneCookman's that bad. Mario Mario crystalbal will
do some good things in his secondyear. I know he will. You
know, again, he had toinherits a situation. He's second year into
his coaching tenure. I think he'sgoing to do much better anyhow. But

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still the Bethune Cookman, I don'tknow about you. I wouldn't bet on
it, but I would say,if you're a betting expert there, that
they should put an eighty spot.But Cookman, do you think that's realistic?
Unfortunately? Yes? And you knowwhat they call that game. That's
a money game. Oh yeah.Mr Stellberger used to tell me about the

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guaranteed games of financial programs. Butyou're right, his money game. So
you know, and to me again, I'm gonna go to the student athlete,
right, experience, going into astadium and getting eighty put on you
is not a good experience. Nota good experience. And you know,

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I mean there's no question, becauseyou're telling me this now we're talking about
it. There's no way that theycould go in and compete against that team.
I mean, you know, wetalk about it's the game, and
you play the game, but there'ssome games that you know, I mean,
you go in and you don't havea chance or a very little chance.

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And again they're playing those games formoney. I mean, if you
look at some of these programs basketballways that don't play their entire preseason for
money, they'll go in and they'llgo in the season in their conference play
and they'll be OZ four one fourtwo four, And so I mean,

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what experience? What does a studentathlete it out of that? That's true,
But you know what's amazing, yourresponses are so good. You'll let
me to another follow up question whenit comes to college football, and it's
probably one that a lot of peoplewould like to hear the FCS taking on
the you know the bulls subjectsion numberone and the game that probably stands out

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to everybody's Michigan and Apple Asian State. I mean, but let me tell
you, let me give you alittle tip on this one though, Kevin.
I'm talking to a friend of minewho's a prognosticator here in southern Florida.
He says, there's no line onthis game. What do you think?
What do you think is going tohappen with this game? And his
name was Mark. I said,Mark, I don't know why I feel

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this way, but I think AppleAsian State is going to give Michigan a
game. I don't know why,but they're the defending champion at their division.
I think they're only getting paid fivehundred grand for the game anyways,
and I don't know, So youknow how it is. Sometimes you have
to write your instincts. So there'syou get certain feels about certain games.
Don't sell this after day chart,what do they happen? Appalachian State walked

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into Michigan Stadium and beat him andeverybody's and now everybody's afraid of these FCS
teams goes from one of these teamsthat meet the eye. Can you see?
I mean, give me your thoughtson the Michigan Appalachian State game because
I gotta follow up after that.That was the worst five hundred thousand dollars
Michigan ever spent it and the truthand I mean, anytime there's an upset

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like that, what do they referback to that game? Well, yeah,
they say that's really one of thegames has started all this And so
you know, I like you said, on any given Saturday, a team
could win. But I mean ifyou don't, well, if you don't
have the Jimmy and them jos,it doesn't matter. So you know,

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this whole thing is my one ofmy mentors, John Casser used to tell
me he was the a d atCal when I was there. He said,
sick recruiting is everything. Coaching's overrated. Well, you know, the
side story was that Michigan didn't hesitateto get Appalachian State back again and won

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the second time around. Maybe itwas the save face with Michigan that they're
one and one against Appalachian State.But let me tell you, whatever the
payment amounted to, I was gladMichigan beat Appalachian State the second time.
But it'll still never be the equivalentto that monumental Upstate for sure. And
you know what, and I'm surethey paid a little bit more money and

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what we call the Let's save Facebowl, okay, because that's exactly what it
probably amounted to to. All right, Well, look we have back Will
Vogel, who I guess we wokethem up with that one. I went
to the game that UMBC beat Virginiaand the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament, and
you know when I got out ofthat whole deal, Well, I got

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a free pizza because of the UpstateI think Little Caesars was a sponsoring in.
I didn't hesitate to get my piein my crazy bread. So all
right, let's go to well herea little bit. What are your thoughts
about that upset in college ball?Well, Scott, but we talked about
this. It's easier to do thatin basketball than it is in football because

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in basketball you have two good peopleand then you have some other people that
get rebound and play defense, andit gives you a chance. And now
with this transfer, well, Imean, look look at the tournament this
year, all the upsets and peopleand I'm going to go back to what
you're saying. It's now about lookingat the transfers and also having a more

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mature team. If you look atthe FAU team, I believe they were
twenty three and twenty four year olds, right, if you look at it.
And you know the other good thingthat I know the coaches were complaining
about the portal, but it makesrecruiting more of an exact science because when
you go and recruit high school kids, they're playing against you know, from

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one end of the spectrum to anotherthat you know, they're not always playing
against great people. But when youget someone in college and you see that
they're playing against good competition every night, so you have film on them,
you're able to see what they're ableto do. Plus by the time they're
a freshman or sophomore, you've hadthem in the weight room, so they're

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bigger, stronger, faster, You'vegot them developed. And so if I'm
a coach, I'm going to theportal because I'm pretty much going to get
a sure thing in that rather thantake my chances on high school. So
I'm gonna go back to something yousaid earlier though, if we look at
the mid level teams and schools,they're gonna have an opportunity now to go

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and get high school kids that theymight not have ever got before because they're
being overlooked or they're not being recruitedbecause they're looking at the portal. So
there's a there's good and bad ineverything, and so I think that could
be a good thing for the midmajor schools. Well, Dusty May before

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he took that job, after hesound signed the agreements, that this is
almost like career suicide and once helooked at the facilities and and what I'm
going to be doing is having KevinKevin Tuoney, the former FAU football coach,
on I believe a week from Thursday. But but then all of a
sudden, Dusty May found a wayto work around it. And you're right,

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he maxed him. What the jobhe's done? You know, he
overcame rough facilities, although obviously thefinal four run is going to get a
lot of that squared away. Anyways, but you know, Dusty May to
me and I had a chance tomeet him, you know, I went
to a press conference or two,it was just unrail, what the job
he's done? And you know,to me, so he actually gave mid

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majors some hope. But he alsorealized with a mature team, you know,
continuity, there there are a lotmore schools that could follow the Dusty
May model. Yes, exactly,no question. Well you look at Kennesaw
what he was able to do there. I mean that was remarkable too.

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Now the downside that, you know, having a great coach and having that
kind of success, you're probably notgoing to keep him or her, right
right, that's true? All right, So I'm sorry, go ahead,
no, no, not okay,complete your thought. No, I'm through
with that, all right. Well, you know everybody out here is probably

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wondering what we both think of theone and done rule. I know the
NBA is trying to get that fixedlater on. But let's talk about the
one and done rule. A lotof coaches have gone out there and utilize
it to their advantage. I meanJohn Calipari coach k which we're gonna talk
about in a few minutes from now. But what are your thoughts about the
way the one and done was workedout in college athletics. I know it

(01:46:57):
got Kentucky and national championship, butone and gone I never cared for it.
Well, again, if we goback when we talk about it intercollegiate
athletics, it's supposed to have anacademic component to it, right, there's
no academic component to it. Imean, some of those kids come in
and they never go to class.But the other thing is the people who

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benefit mostly from that is the NBA, because they don't want to end up
babysitting these kids. And that's whatwhen you hot, When you draft someone
right out of high school, thesekids have not had any life experience.
So now you're dropping in millions ofdollars and they're going on the road.

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They're sitting up in their room playingvideo games, or they're going and getting
tattoos or whatever. And you know, I mean, they have so much
idle time that that's the devil's workshopin many cases, where at least if
you did what baseball does and eitheryou let them go before or if they

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go to school, then they can'tlead to their junior year. I think
that's best for everybody. You know, if there was a model that I
would like to see, that's whatI'd like to see. But you know,
I'm not. I mean, Ilove America and I love you know,
what capitalism has done for many people, and so those are the rules
that we play by, and soI mean, that's what it is.

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And if the k could go outof high school, My concern though is
if you look at most of thosekids who jumped out of high school,
they had a very short career.That's true. There are very few Lebrian
James's out there. There's a couplehere and there that did all right.
But now so, but you bringup an interesting point though. That's why

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I like the G league here thatkeep them out of class, let them
go there, and then if they'reable to play there one or two years,
they've become draft Galgable. That's adifferent animal altogether. But Scott,
you look at I mean, ifyou look it up. So, if
the NFL had to take these kidsout of high school, I mean it
takes three years to develop them,right, they'd have to have a minor

(01:49:23):
league they'd have to put That wouldbe a major investment for them. Right
now, they've got the best ofall worlds because we're their minor league.
We get them bigger, stronger,faster, we get them ready, and
then they go to the league.No better example than that, I mean
major League Baseball. Look at they'rejust cutting a lot of minor league teams
because now they have a direct linebetween the colleges and Major League Baseball.

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So you know what I mean.Again, it's all driven by money.
And if you look at this,I don't know if we're doing the right
thing for the player or for theathletes, for the students. You look
at someone who plays in the NFL, right, if you have a ten
year career, wow, right,And still when you're when you're retiring,

(01:50:12):
you're thirty four years old, andnow you've got to think about what do
I do now? Because this isin most cases, this is the only
thing they know, right. SoI mean, if you look at all
those components, there shouldn't be aprofessional athlete that goes bankrupt. Well,

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I agree with you. There.Time will tell whether or not the XFL
and the USFL amount to real developmentalleagues. I think that's still early on.
If I had the choice to thinkwhich one would survive better, I
would say the USFL because they're ownedby Fox and you know, and they're
just looking at fill program. Idon't know about the XFL. All I
do know is they lost sixty milliondollars a first year under a private enterprise

(01:50:56):
where you got Fox's money. Youknow. That doesn't take a rocket scientists
to figure out which one I thinkwill be better for the long ovel time.
We'll tell on that one. I'lltell you this one. If I
was in the PGA right now,if I was Rory McElroy or one of
the I would be extremely pissed off. Yeah, I mean just I mean,

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from what I heard the other day, they offered him two hundred million
dollars just to come over and play, let alone anything else and for them,
well you talked about it earlier.Now that was a backdoor deal.
It was on that so you know, I mean, and now they're talking
about making some of those players whole. Well, good luck, yes,

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yes, exactly, good luck.All right, it even gets more interesting
now. I have actually a fewmore questions, but I think we've had
a lot of fun. I wouldcover the ground, but there's a little
bit more to go, so gladyou can stay with Nick keV. It's
just unreal the amount of ground we'regoing to cover here. So let me
ask you this. Okay, wereyou surprised at the retirements of Jay Wright,

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Roy Williams and coach K. No, not at all. And if
you look at it, I thinkthere's three letters the reason why they retired
in I L and even the transferport. Jay Wright said it the other
day, Jay could not be ascompetitive as he was at Villanova because the

(01:52:28):
school's going to be limited if theydo anything with the NIL and getting into
the Villanova and transferring and everything elsewas going to be somewhat more difficult than
any place else. I mean,look at all the success coach k had
and how he's adapted to the change, but now this, I mean,

(01:52:49):
this would just drive him. That'sthe same same thing with coach Williams.
I mean they got out and theysaid, you know, I've done what
I could do, but I don'twant to play in this game because it's
a tough one. I'll just saythat. There's other words that come to
my mind, but this is familyshow and I don't want to use that.

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But I mean, Scott, it'sthere's so many challenges, so many
challenges, and to be truthful withyou, with some of the current leadership
that's coming up, they're not prepared. They don't understand this. And I
mean, I don't know where thisis going, but it I just pray

(01:53:33):
and hope it goes in a positivedirection and that's all we can do.
But I mean, there's so manythings out there that need to be fixed
and addressed, and I don't knowthere's enough people that can do it.
Let's face reality, Kevin Okay,Coach k managed to deal with the one
and done okay even though it twobecause probably above that, and he played

(01:53:57):
Giant Califary's game and played it prettygood. So to me, this is
a game that really has come downto a different thing. Where and the
nil. Then you also have thetransfer portal. A long time ago,
these are considered violations by the NCdouble A yes, and all of a
sudden, I don't see as manyschools being put on probation because of them,

(01:54:19):
because it just shows you everybody wasbreaking the rules. Now they're just
legalizing the ability to break rules.At least that's a feeling I'm getting out
of this thing. Well, no, Scott, they haven't changed some of
the rules. They're breaking the rulesand they're they're doing it knowingly because they're
trying to be competitive where you know, make this thing work. Where there

(01:54:41):
wasn't a there was some thought andthere were some people that had some decent
ideas and plans, and the majorityof the folks didn't have the foresight and
they put their head in the sandand said, oh, this too will
pass. Right, all right,Kevin, we talked about academics earlier,
and I there's no way we cango on a show together without mentioning Bob

(01:55:04):
Knight. We all talk about hisfiery personality and that's probably playing it lightly,
but let's not kill ourselves. Kevin. The guy won three national championships
and he was a real big academicstickler. If I heard correctly, correct
if I'm wrong. He told IsaiahThomas, you know, getting your number
retired until you graduate, and hehad that policy with a lot of his

(01:55:25):
players. So do you think thatBob Knight will be appreciated in legacy not
only with what he did on thecourt, but what he did academically.
No, No, because too manypeople look at the things that were exposed
that weren't positive. And you know, I mean, let's just be honest.

(01:55:49):
Some of the things he did andthat we don't even know about,
it's not right. And to behonest with you, he uh, he
didn't handle the situation with his menteeand his former player in Mike Sisky,
and how he treated Mike at theend. I mean, I'm not the

(01:56:12):
right person to talk about Bobby Knight. Dobt just put it that way.
My mom said, if you havenothing nice to say, you don't say
anything at all, then you knowwhat you just said it there, So
we'll just leave it at that.But I'm the one guy we all can
talk about is John Wooden. Idon't about you. Anytime I need advice,
I go to his Pyramids of successand more importantly, though, Kevin,
I had the good fortune of meetingcoach Wooden when I cover the University

(01:56:35):
of Georgia uc A game over atPolly Pavilion, you know, the pyramids
of success. If any bunny doesn'tknow what they are, and get on
Google out there and google them.Coach Wooden, to me is one I
think the greatest person in my lifeI have entered, ever interviewed, at
least when I was there, andwhen one of these days I'll launch a

(01:56:56):
channel here about my old interviews ifwe can get him on audio. Maybe
it's a stretch down the robot Coach. You can't say, we can't say
nothing good about Bob Night, butI'll bet there's a whole lot to say
good about John wood Well. I'vehad the opportunity to spend time with Coach
and the later years too, andthe thing that I marveled most about was
how keen and how sharp his mindwas, even when he was up there

(01:57:19):
in age and very humble man.You know, it was a wonderful experience
spending time with him and just listeningto him and what he was and all
those young men that he coached andhow they turned out and how they had
the utmost respect for him to youknow, I mean, just just a

(01:57:41):
tremendous human being. I got toget a comment out there by Wild Vogal
I'll actually post it myself because Iwell has been unbelievable throughout the show,
and I'll just mention on my ownI was shock with Tulane beat USC in
a bowl game. To Jerema,you know, well you aren't the only
one. What are your thoughts aboutthe fact that there's a team like USC
who's about ready to head into theBig Ten and they got beaten by Tulane.

(01:58:03):
Well, Scott, I remember whatI wanted to talk about to do
it. Yeah, well, whenyou get up in age like this,
it's sometimes happens you look fantastic andgo ahead. And so when you look
at we talked about the bowl games. Yeah, but even with the bowl
games now, unless it's unless it'sthat playoff, you've got a lot of

(01:58:26):
people opting out. They don't wantto play because they don't want to get
hurt, you know, they wantto prepare and everything else. So that's
another detriment to these lower Well yeah, not as equal bowl games. So
I mean, but like we said, Tulane played a great game. They
caught him on an off day andso, um, I think that if

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you play that game, two outof three, USC will probably win.
But I mean They had a tremendousteam in a tremendous season. Can't take
anything away from them, and itwas a good one for them in the
program and the state of Louisiana,in the city of New Orleans, well
amazingly enough, when we talk aboutthis, two guys that I believe Frank

(01:59:11):
Gordon was one of them and Willismcgahey were I believe they were injured in
those Bowl games. And that's probablyone of the hesitations where a lot of
the guys are reluctant to do itbecause I don't know what kind of insurance
policy they are. But unless you'replaying for a national championship, you you
got to realize that, hey,maybe you know, depending on how important

(01:59:33):
the game is, that really isn'tthe worst thing in the world if you
had to pass on them, especiallydepending where you are in the standings.
For sure. So I'm torn,and there is a dilemma. One is
that protecting their future, but onthe other hand, letting down new teammates,

(01:59:54):
right, yeah, So I meanagain, times have changed, the
world has changed, so that's notas important as it once was. That
you know, the team lived withand buy the team, and so now
the team is second. It's allabout me and what I could do.

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And like I said, I'm notcasting any blame on anybody because if you're
looking at it with all the moneythat's out there, you can't blame a
young person for doing it. Imean the system created that. What do
they say, hate the game andnot the player? Right now? No,
I get it all right, twomore questions if you can imagine that.

(02:00:38):
But boy, I think it's beenfun and this was a show that
everybody would want to see multiple times. If you're really about college sports and
sports in general, well, let'stalk about Kevin the state of college sports
now in the future. Do youfeel it's corrupt right now? But we'll
talk about now future corrupt floors yours. There's always been an element corruption.

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I mean, we could go wayback, so there's always been that element
where there's always been people that havewalked up to the line and then crossed
it. So you know, fortunatelywe have many more great people in interclusion
athletics than those who have cheated.But now, I mean, the rules

(02:01:24):
have been made up and we justwe've been talking about it all night,
this nil thing. They're doing thingsagainst the rules right now. Right now,
they're reading it, they know itand everything else, and so I
can't see. I just think whatthey're doing now is that it's making it

(02:01:47):
easier to be competitive and do whatit takes to be competitive, even if
it's not the right thing to do. And the other thing is I can't
fault you have people that are pursuingcareers and making money and taking care of
their family and so now, Imean, you could be in a job

(02:02:09):
for one year and you could getfired. So I mean it just puts
everybody in a very difficult situation andtrying to do the right thing, because
I've seen a lot of people thatwere stand up people and did the right
thing and they were penalized for it. And well I won't say any names,

(02:02:32):
but we got examples right there,where as a taxpayer upset and offended
that the FBI and the government spentall that money on that basketball scandal and
they had people on tape and thosepeople got off scott free that are making
millions of dollars. And you wentafter some assistant coaches that now, I

(02:02:56):
mean there's two or three of themthat have attempted suicide because they were put
in a spot where it wasn't them, right, it was the entire organization
and the head coaches that are stillmaking millions of dollars, and they were
on tape and there's no doubt thatthey were guilty. Right man, you

(02:03:23):
want to bring all right, Solet's talk about the fact that, like
you said, so all right,let's talk about college sports now in the
future. Let's narrow in on thatone a little bit. As long as
we have these wonderful young people thatwant to compete and do the right thing,
then it will be healthy. It'sup to the adults to fix this

(02:03:44):
and make it right or try tomake it as right as you can.
But you know, with human nature, there's always going to be people that
are going to try to stretch thingsor you know, not do the right
thing. So it's just a matterof the adults getting their stuff together and
looking at all the issues that arein front of us and fix and compromise

(02:04:11):
and make it where it's fair foreverybody and everybody can benefit from it.
Well, we know Red Fave hadsome situations obtaining the Southern Mississippi University.
Do you have any thoughts on whattook place over there, any knowledge of
it. I don't, but youknow, I mean again, when you're

(02:04:31):
young like that and people are influencingyou with everything, not that it's right,
but it makes it more difficult forpeople to do the right thing.
Okay, well, I'm gonna goback. I'm gonna go back, Scott.
Two academies that I worked at,you know, makes me feel good

(02:04:54):
and I work with people because thoseyoung people, for the most part,
are doing the right well. Youknow, Vanessa Williams had a question saved
the best for last, So wesay the best question for last. Okay,
okay, and that's this. Finally, on July twenty eighth, you're
going to be moving to Arizona,he said, Prescott, right, and

(02:05:17):
transitioning to other lifelong dreams. Imean, you care to the vote with
those lifelong dreams. Aren't knowing You'vehad a very storied career in college.
I mean, what you've done isnothing short of remarkable. And for me
to have the opportunity, now thatwe've hit the two hour marked, to
be able to have so much enjoymentbecoming in contact with you. By the
way, folks, Kevin Anderson andI came in contact on LinkedIn, So

(02:05:41):
for people out there to realize howvaluable that's as LinkedIn to me. It's
gold because and the guy that's goldis sitting in front of me on the
other part of the country. Sogo ahead, You're free to take the
reins here and tell me what liesahead for Kevin Anderson other than the fact
there's enough interest to create another showor two and it's overWe you'll look at

(02:06:02):
it happened. You drew a lotof people out that don't normally come into
this chat room, and now I'mon the hook here for a couple more
shows. And you know what,it doesn't break my heart as long as
you deliver the goods. Well,Scott, thank you, and that was
very nice of you, very nicecompliments. Um. You know, my
family has been tremendous throughout my career. There's been things I've missed. Um,

(02:06:28):
there's been things that you know,I wasn't part of with them.
So now I'm gonna be able todo more that. I'm going to try
to support my wife as she hassupported me. I'm gonna play a lot
of golf, I'm gonna raise somedogs, and um, I'm gonna do

(02:06:50):
a little bit right now, lookslike I might do some consulting and then
just sit back and away. Whatenjoyed this whole journey and looking marvel at
what these young people are doing thatI've worked with. Well, you know,
amazingly enough, you've given me anotherreason to come to Arizona. So

(02:07:14):
here's what we're gonna have to do. You and I, my wife and
your wife are gonna have to goto Sedona and then we're gonna have to
take the track over the Grand Canyon. What do you think of that?
Yeah? Absolutely, we could wedo you golf? No, I'm so
busted up right now, but youknow what, I might pull up.
I might. I might go outthere and hope, once I get a
little bit in better shape, Ican go out and golf. I would

(02:07:34):
be more and happy to golf withyou. Just make sure we have a
good card so I don't have towalk. Well, No, no,
how about we do the show withthe golf course. Oh that's not you're
talking my language, cabin co thereyou go. I mean, you know,
you might give me into driving rangea little bit and I can hit
a few golf balls and make itlook. I gotta tell you're talking to
a guy that once upon a timeyears ago won a trophy for most unusual

(02:07:56):
form over in bowling. So ifyou want to go ahead and left,
that's the truth it is. AndI gotta tell you another story about Dennis
Robin many years ago. You know, when he was with the Bad Boys,
I was covering the team on theBad Boys. You know, we
were good friends. You know howit is when you're inside of a locker
room. Yet you know who yourfriends are when you need him all the
time, Yes, and Dennis alwayscame through for me, mark my word,

(02:08:18):
he was. He's good peeps.At least then when Chuck Dailey was
in the picture. What he didlater on done man. Or ALI know
him for the interaction I have,which was nothing short of outstanding. So
Dennis seeing me bowling at the alleyone time in West Bloomfield, Michigan,
Hey man, he's got you know, I like your form. I'm thinking,
Oh, that's good to know.Dennis said, you know what I

(02:08:39):
decided to do. You know,Dennis, my bullying is like your free
throw shooting. I know he avery good free throw shooter. But he
had a sense of humor, thisguy. So I said, I got
an idea of Dennis, you wanta bowl game here and see how we
do against each other. Sure,Oh, I'm probably an easy victory,
right. Okay, Well you know, as it turns out, he did

(02:09:01):
beat me pretty good the first game. Said I'll tell you what, Dennis,
why don't we do this. Let'splay one more game? Okay,
and the winner pays both double ornothing. No problem. This guy got
so many darn splits it's ridiculous.And I ended up beating him, and
he ended up paying for the twogames, not that they were worth a
lot. It's the extent of mybetting, okay, But it was just
about betting a friend of mine thatyou got all the splits. You can't

(02:09:22):
shoot free throws, but you're thegreatest guy in the world, one of
my buddies in the locker room,no problem. And the memories are priceless,
So I mean, that's what it'sall about. It's the relationships and
the memories. No one could evertake those away from anybody. So that's
what my thing is, is thatI've been able to meet so many great

(02:09:45):
and wonderful people and experience a lotof unbelievable things in my life. So
I've been truly blessed well. Listen, Kevin, I've been in the meat
sports media for forty three years.I'm actually trying to go out of my
comfort zone a little bit by doingmore non sports related and I want to
get back into my level where I'mable to do more one on one interviews,

(02:10:07):
and I relish the challenge of anythingI can do to go out of
my comfort zone. But you're right, you know, say what people want
about mainstream media, I really don't, frankly care. I think mainstream media
provided me with the foundation that I'veneeded to go out there and do what
I'm doing. And I am planningto write a book called Adjusting to New
Media. It'll be a little whilebefore I get going, but I have

(02:10:28):
a lot of the basis of theideas that I'm going to do it.
And I'm gonna tell you, forsomebody that started out in the business when
he's seventeen and now I'm sixty yearsold, you know, there won't be
no shortage of stories there. ButI think the one thing that people need
to take from the show is,you know, social media is great,
but when you have a social mediaoutlet like LinkedIn that allows guys like you

(02:10:50):
and I to build a relationship fromacross the country, and then all of
a sudden you find out that thoserelationship ships will turn out to be.
It's just unbelievable how you can usecertain knowledge to build lifelong friendships. And
I don't know about you, butI'd like to feel in my mind that
I felt that I built a greatone with you. And I'm looking forward
to doing a lot more stuff withyou down the road. Kevin, you

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love that, Scott, We're gonnado that. I should love everybody,
you know. When we're I gotone more questing for you. Go forward.
You're asking me a question. Ilove it. You're not watching the
game. You know why I hada better alternative talking to you. Well,
that's very nice to think. I'llcare about game. This is my
game, man. The other stuffso well, and did that's why you

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have all the different things you getto watch that It don't matter if I
have a show that's better than agame. You know what, That thing
called a live button is there?And you know what my voice too,
is never ending, man. It'slike those little things over and uh Willie
walking and the chocolate factory, youknow, yeah, never ending. God
stoppers that what they call those things. That's to show you what I know.

(02:11:56):
Wo woa will tell my basketballs isbetter than current basketball. You know
what, I'm gonna put this upthere. I want to give him,
my buddy Will Vogel a little thingout here. What we have over a
Sideline Sports thinks well is that wehave a basketball show which talks about the
older days like the eighties, nineties, and two thousands. But I suggested
to my teammates are that maybe willbring in one current NBA topic. We

(02:12:18):
go at the three that I bringin lists and this has been a fun
show for a lot of people arewatch and now I'm simulcasting it to our
network as well. So I enjoyanytime anybody to get me suckered into old
fashioned basketball. I'm hug so.But Will Vogel, you know, has
a lot of good positive energy.He's young, he's developing, and that's
what he is. He's young anddeveloping. But that's a heck of a

(02:12:41):
show that I team up with SidelineForts. I should point out folks that
since its never ending, Motormouth andI will have Motor City Manmouth caps in
the next couple of days or soand leave me. I'll be ready for
our next broadcast. Okay that NoLimits is being broadcast around the world,
Yes, around the world. Okaythe audio know if this show can be
heard on iHeartRadio, Apple, Spotify, Google, wherever you get your podcasts.

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Also, please hit the red subscribebutton on YouTube, selford attribute or
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the broadcast. This is one definitelyfor a keeper like to think they all
are, but there are some showsthat you want to feel like obviously tell
a lot more of a story,and this one is, no question one
of the longest ones I've ever donewith a one on one interview a show,

(02:13:26):
but it warranted exactly the amount oftime that Kevin, you and I
went out there and gave it.Want to be a guest, no problem.
Send your tropic ideas to selfware,attribute to gmail dot com, or
participated in the chat room. Asyou can tell, we're putting them up
there as quickly as they come,as quickly as we try to get them
up as much as we can.I want to advertise costs efficiently. You

(02:13:48):
would have hit a Grand Slam ora slam dunk with this one. Call
me at nine five four three orfour four nine for one. We are
live, as Brent further said,we are live. Is that a good
persona of Brent? I don't know? On Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and
YouTube. I want to go tothe website www dot seth Florida Tribune,
get to dot com gets it done. Follow me on Twitter at Tribute South.

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And we want to thank Kamyaveling forbehind the scenes work and her ability
to post a lot of the chatwhere we can keep the continuity going every
now and then. I'll go outthere and do it as well. But
you know, and you know hewill says this network is Dick Vitel says,
Scott, you know it's unbelievable,baby, But you know what,
will you bring up an interesting pointif you're ready for this one. I'm

(02:14:33):
glad that we'll brought this up beforewe wrap it up here, since I
put the proms down. If Iwork with Dick Vitel, he's a colleague
of mine in Detroit back in theseventies. His show proceeded sports Talk back
then in George Ichorn and I workedon it and my first job, whether
you know it or not. Kevinwas that ABC Radio as a producer until
I graduated being on the air.And then he goes on but and he

(02:14:56):
talks about what Dick Vitel has meantto collegiate athletics. Glad Well made a
mention of Dick Vitel, Oh,I mean coaches coaches college basketball, no
question about that. And what he'sdone and recently how he spot and beat
cancer and how he's helped the BovanoFoundation. It's just tremendous. But I

(02:15:18):
have one last thing to say.We need a thousand. We're looking for
a thousand people right now, folks, we need a thousand. Tell your
friends, tell your family. Weneed a thousand. Yeah, you know.
I actually I feel pretty good.We're over like eight hundred and fifty,
so we're looking to hit the stWe're right there, big, Yeah,

(02:15:39):
I know. We need to getit out there. Kevin, I
need you to be my best publicistsgoing forward, and we'll do that.
I'll be I'll tell you what youdo that you help me get over the
top. You find me a greatrestaurant than Out and Out in Arizona.
And no, no, no,no, I'm coming to Florida. There's
so many good restaurants there. We'llgo to Florida and have a good time.
Well, then I'll tell you,I'll give you a reason to come

(02:16:01):
to Florida because this has been unbelievable, man, just being able to sit
here and talk to you. Iknow it's been a while since we were
able to put the pieces of thepuzzle together. But I'm gonna tell you,
Kevin, I won't hesitate to bringyou on another show, and maybe
that won't be quite this long,but then again, there aren't many that
won't be quite this long. Butbut you know what, this is the
key thing that I really try atthe South Florida Tribune as we developed the

(02:16:22):
broadcast side is I want the bestguests that I can get my hands on.
I really really really do, andfor me, content is king.
And you know when I have peoplelike you on there, then guys like
you make me look like a geniusanyway, So I'm only as good as
the guess that I have to workwith. So you know what, can
I say? This has just beenunbelievable. I've been building up in my

(02:16:43):
mind that we were going to dothis since we started it last week.
Let alone a year ago when webegan the process. But now I think
the timing in terms of the networkgrowth is really what it's been all about.
And you know what, and theold in the worlds of tommy'll sort
of because God delayed does not meanthat God denies, and mark my word,
he didn't deny us tonight. Andthis is just Act one between Scott

(02:17:03):
and Kevin. So what that said, folks. I want to thank everybody
for joining us on this edition ofNo Limit. It's what an unbelievable memorable
night here talking to a guy thatprobably knows more about college athletics and most
of the people that are out there, because look at the amount of information
you led me from one follow upquestion to another. I'm just an old

(02:17:24):
guy telling stories, and you knowwhat, I'm an old guy looking at
the drama outia. You want toknow one last story before I tell you,
Before I turned out goodbye, manymany years ago, when I was
toling on Monday night football game,Howard Cosell turned me down, wouldn't let
me interview him. So okay,Howard who cared ne't really liked you anyways,

(02:17:45):
But you know who helped me out? A guy by the name of
Orenthal James Simpson O J. Simpson. I was in the booth and I
can tell you right now, okay, oh Jason, I asked this guy
the same question four or five times. They gave me five different answers.
He said the end, that's apretty good interview. And mind you point
nineteen years old. And because youknow, I mean, I'm not going

(02:18:09):
to condemn what he did. Also, that was before the other stuff.
But you know, when you're ayoung journalists getting into business and somebody like
that of that stature gives you acompliment, you certainly want to take it
gracefully and knowing that you can buildon it. And I think the one
thing you've been able to do isdo the same. Go ahead, I'm
sorry, no, I said,absolutely, I'm with you, all right.

(02:18:30):
So meanwhile, folks, have Igot long winded enough? I don't
know, but all I can tellyou it's been at blasc If you don't
know what it sounds like, blastand slap a couple more acclamation points of
it, and there you have it. So anyway, once again, folks,
concludes this edition of No Limits.We want to thank everybody who's joined
us in the chat room. Itis so greatly appreciated by everyone here and
hopefully allot of people that will seethe show later. We'll realize that when

(02:18:54):
I go out there and bring peopleon, I give you my best shot
and hope that you'll enjoy these typesof shows as well the other ones that
we have on the network. Sowith that said, so on behalf of
Kevin Anderson, the Jack of allTrades, mister Maryland, mister Air Force
Academy, etc. Dot dot dot. My name is Scott Morgan, Rout
the Motor City Manmouth. Thank youfor joining us on this edition of No

(02:19:15):
Limits. Kevin and I have morework to do, and the eyes of
Karen Carpenter of the Carpenters, We'veonly just begun, and I've got news
for you. I'm looking forward tothe shows that we have lined up.
So goodnight, everybody, and thankyou very much for joining us.

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