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Millwall No One Likes Us Talkin Monthly Show, hosted by Myles Thornton with former Lion Phil Coleman and Ted ‘The Famous’ Robinson. 10 secs [Nobody Likes Them Jingle insert]

Myles welcomed Phi and Ted to the April Monthly show, our penultimate show of this season.

They discussed:

• The run into the end of the season;
• The impact of Neil Harris;
• The breakdown of talks between the Premiership and the EFL, and the words of West Ham United's David Sullivan;
• The FA Youth Cup semi-final; and
• Phil Coleman’s FA YOUTH CUP Winners.

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Episode Transcript

(00:01):
Hi, Bethany Mantalo. Here youhave joined us for the magnificent monthly Millwall
podcast, which features thoughts from thepanel about what affects the beautiful game and
Millwell enjoy Welcome to the twenty twentythree twenty four series of Millwall, Noances
Talking's monthly show. I'm Miles Tauntedand with me I have the Nodances Talking

(00:22):
team of Phil Coleman and Ted Robinson. Not everybody likes them, but they
don't care. Welcome Phil, Tedand listeners. Phil. How are you?
Yeah? Fine, Miles, goodto see you and speak to you
again. And you Ted? Ted? Are you a good fore? Yeah?

(00:42):
Abien Phil? Yeah? Anen Miles? What was that until yesterday?
But there you go. That's anotherstory now, Ted, they did write
down here whoever made this Ted?The patheme de hoom or something. But
I did not say that wrong,So I just wanted to let you know
that was there. That's not ofcompany language I'm used to make. That's

(01:02):
what I'm saying, so I didn'twant to get it wrong. No,
No, I have no idea allthis French stuff. I can't stay in
the French. But that's another story. And all miserable already the night and
I but never I'm sure it getbetter. Well, we missed out on
a show in March, maybe allthe gloom, but we're back in early
April, our penultimate show of theseason. What we're going to discuss,

(01:26):
well, the run in until theend of the season, the impact of
Neil Harris, the f A YouthCup semi final and Phil Colmer's f A
Youth Cup winners. We'll take aYouth Cup field. I didn't know that.
Did you know that? Story?That's to me. I think there's
a few billion people in the world. You must be the only one I

(01:49):
am take the story. I don'tknow where up in all my life,
mate, I really don't. I'llgo over again the night last night.
We're in for a long one tonight. Then we'll take a break there and
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I'm your host, Males Thornton andwith me I have the No.
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(03:20):
considerable time. Well after it's onlycapturing a single point in our last three,
we must consider our fate this seasonfollowing on from Monday's results, the
bookies give the following odds for relegation. Rotherham one to fourteen, Sheffel Wednesday
four to seven, Huddersfield eleven toten, Birmingham City two to one,
Plymouth two to one, Blackburn sixto one, Meal Will eight to one,

(03:46):
Copr ten to one, Stoke fourteento one. Our remaining fixtures are
as follows. Next Saturday, weface Huddersfield Town at the John Smith Stadium.
On the Tuesday, the ninethe April, we all host Leicester City thirteenth
April. All will beat We'll beatwell, it's very optimistic. We'll play
against Cardiff City at home on thetwentieth of April. We'll play Sunderland away
from home that stedium I liked.On the twenty seventh of April, will

(04:11):
face Plymouth at home, and thenon the fourth of May, on the
final game of the season, we'llplay it away to Swansea City. Now
three at home a three away.Your thoughts all start with you, Phiel.
I think it's a doa ball running. I've read some stuff on social
media about being ready gay, butstaying in the Championship as an absolute must.

(04:35):
It is absolutely bloomy vile. Theleague below will destroy attendances, it
will cut our income. It definitelywill help player recruitment as playing in Division
one will be as attractive on paper. We could get a good haul from
those six games, but you've gotto get points at Huddersfield. I think

(04:56):
we've got to win our home gamesand even if they include Leicester and definitely
Plymouth at home. I mean,I said after the I said after the
West Brom game last last Friday,we probably lose to Rotherham and beat Lester
and I was going to have afire on it, but I'm not really
a betting man. But there weretoo many in arisbar after that were saying,
yeah, you're probably right. It'stypical of this club, and to
be honest with the league where everybodycan beat everybody. But the good thing

(05:21):
Myles said, it's in our ownhands. But one thing's for sure.
We don't want to be playing Swanseaat the end of the season needing to
win, and even worse if otherswere to look we needed others to lose.
So I keep saying everybody can beateverybody, and when it's tight at

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the bottom, you look at canwe get two wins, six points and
we go boom right up to thetable. But if you lose two quick
games, you drop deep into themud, you know. So I'd probably
say fifty points will be enough.I don't think too many got relegated on
on fifty points, particularly given otherteams around us, and there's a load,

(06:04):
you know, we could go sortof like ten teams at the moment
could get relegated, but those otherteams will lose games. As I mentioned
to somebody earlier, it will helpif we play teams have got nothing to
play for. You know, youjust see the likes of Chesterfield if packed
up, you know they won theleague and they have a defeat and just
stop it. I can remember whenwe won the league in eighty eight,

(06:25):
you know that last home game ofthe season. You know we got beat.
So it does help if we playteams that possibly Cardiff or Sunderland,
that have got nothing to play for. But for me, I'm looking at
points at Huddersfield definitely at home winagainst Plymouth and then taking points and other
games at home Carliff from Leicester definitelyTed would you reckon? Yeah? I

(06:46):
know I agree with Phil what you'resaying there. I mean people were looking
at losing at Rotherin. Well,any real Wolf fan worth his weight as
a real Wolf fan knows that gamesagainst sides at the bottom of the division
that have not been playing well andhaven't been win anything, they're going to
turn me all over. That's unfortunateof what we do. But I mean,
and watching that game, the goodthing, if you'd like to take

(07:10):
a positive out of it, iswe created so many chances in that game
that Neil had it right. Godknows how we lost it. There was
at least two or three of themthat could have had the match ball the
way that the chances fell, andwhilst that's painful experiencing actively, it bodes
well for the rest of the gamesthat we've got. Huddersfield now becomes six

(07:33):
pointer, as they say, becauseobviously if they beat us, they're a
point behind, but if we beatthem, we're seven away from them.
So you know, Huddersfield is animportant game, certainly not to lose without
a doubt. And then Leicester homeagain. I said to my mate before
the West Brom game, I said, I'm more happy with this game than

(07:55):
I am with the one on Mondayagainst Rotherham because milwill will rise to the
occasion as we know they do,so the less the game doesn't bother me
again, we're more than capable ofwinning that. Cardiff will be a tough
one. As Phil said, they'rea game that got a side that got
nothing really to lose or play foror whatever, so they can relax and

(08:16):
they've got a few decent players intheir side. But it's then at the
then, so you know, Ithink we'd bill right there. Somedland Away.
I think would be a good onefor us because they seem to be
falling apart all over the place.The bill will Plymouth game. I'm hoping
by the time that comes around itit's not as important as it will be

(08:39):
who's playing them now, because I'vebeen saying for a little while Plymouth of
one of the sides, I thinkthey're dropping like a stone. I noticed
they just sat there manager. Youknow, they're going to try and get
a new guy in that's going totry to give them a bit of a
bounce, but I just think they'rein free fall. So hopefully, feel

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quite rightly pointed out, we don'twant to be going to the Swansea City
away having to get a win orhoping that somebody else loses or anything like
that. Let's get it over anddone with before then. And it is
in our hands. And we've gotto look over the last three games and
the three games before that, howthis bill side has been transformed into a

(09:24):
side that's difficult to beat, youknow, And hopefully we carry on like
that throughout the rest of the season. And if we keep playing the way
that we did against West Brom andto a certain extent against Robin without the
mistakes that cost us goals, Ithink we're going to be fine. I

(09:45):
think there's been enough in this teamto make sure way before the last couple
of games that we're safe. Yeah. I agree with you there, Tedd.
And you know I agree with youwhen you say there's enough in the
team to stay up. But Ialso think there's enough worse things than us
to stay up if you go on. Yeah, definitely the Rotherham game you

(10:07):
said about mill Will fans would know. Funnily enough, I said it to
the to the physio burmasy Town beforethe game. He said, who have
you've got today, Millwall And Isaid, God, rather than Away,
probably lose that one and he wentno rother than bottom of the league.
Yeah, but it would be Millwallto lose the game happened. Yeah,
we lost the game. And wewill say one thing Mile that that is

(10:30):
one of them games that come around. I mean, when I think it
was over for me that hit theball, sample got in away to one
another and over them get the board, it smept the goalkeeper in the face
and went off for a corner.Yeah. I thought we're never going to
score. You know, it's goingto be one of them. Yet it
will be the goalkeeper, didn't they. So yeah, you know, at
the end of the day, asyou quite quietly point out, it's what

(10:52):
Millbelle fans know is going to happen. Were playing the bottom team that can't
seem to do anything. Yeah,and this happened this time. It's happened
a few times this season because alsoeven remember we went the QPR and got
rolled over by them too, Neil, when they were bottom of the league
and really struggling. You know.So it's there also is a bit of
a professional in me that says there'san attitude problem. You go to Southampton

(11:15):
and you beat them, and yougo to rother and you lose. You
can't have that golf in in results. You know, you've got to be
consistent across forty six games. Youcan't have when I fancy it away at
Southampton, big game, big travelingcrowd, it's only Rotherham. You can't
have that attitude. So is thatin the camp? Is that in some
of the players. I'm not sure, but I will say that I thought

(11:35):
some of the criticism of Millill waspoorn that we had good possession, created
some unbelieve I mean the savings hepulled off from flemingsheader, particularly the first
one. You know what, wehave save of the year. So we
did create chances. All right.They might be bottom of the league and
it was a case of putting theball in the net, which is the
toughest thing in football. But I'vegot to say that you can't have performances

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and result Southampton away and then Plymouthaway. You know, somewhere along the
line there's a there's a there's anattitude perhaps in the camp. Mill fans
talk about the mill allway. Isthat I don't understood the mill allway.
What is the mill? Is thatthe mill away beating top of the league
and losing the bottom. It's whatwe're used to. We're returning to underdogs

(12:18):
and wes. You know, welove to feel like we're up against it.
We're you know, people writing usoff. There's always the thing is
since Neil's come back and he saysabout it in a sense, and that
is we fight for everything and anything. I mean, there was no lack

(12:41):
of fight against Rodham. Let's let'sput that in. I mean, and
the previous games to that. Youknow, there's been a change in I
feel we talking about attitude, butI think there's been a change in that
since new Earrus is coming, becauseyou know that are certainly fighting and I
would say playing for the manager,whereas I think they was playing for Joe

(13:07):
Edwards but didn't really know how tofight. So you know, you'd much
rather see the millwall at the moment. There's a difficult side to be,
or has been up until Rodream ata point of that all them chances we
should have really won it easy.But there's a purpose about us now,
I think, and that's what givesme hope for the rest of these games.

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That Nil's come in and instilled abit of still into us. I
suppose, and I take Field's pointabout the attitude of going to Southampton and
winning and losing a rodam. Ithink I would have been more disappointed with
them and thinking a bit more likethat if they hadn't played the way they

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did in the second half of gamestrobin, with all the chances that they
created, in other words, ifthey had lost the game in a bit
of a winter. But I dobelieve there's a fight and a togetherness about
this mob, and they're going toneed it on Saturday against Othersfield. But
I do believe Neil Harris has broughtwhat US fans would call the Millwall attitude

(14:13):
into them players. I feel wellknow a bit more about the Millwall attitude
as a player than me having beenout there, but it's definitely more of
what we want to see in thesense of the way that they're competing.
And yeah, that's why being theturn of underdog suits us, because it
just brings out a little bit morein us as fans. We get a

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little bit more louder when we're playingagainst size that people expect to beat us,
and I think it transfers into playersas well. They come out with
a little bit more of a fighting, a bit of a spring in their
step. I feel would probably Isay answer that a bit better than me,
So I'll let him never go.I've been on the end of it.

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There are some things in football asa player at a non negotiable,
like you train hard, you workhard, and you transfer that onto the
pitch, and it's a mentality andit's a never say, guy, roll
your sleeves up. It didn't matterwhether he was playing at the Old Den
the New Den. You're a wayto Leeds tough games all over the place.
Your mentality has to be I'm justgoing to work hard. I'm going

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to mark my player. I'm goingto defend, I'm going to tackle him.
I'm going to out jump in.I'll defend, I'll block the shots,
I'll close down and then I'll leaveit to Sheringham and Cascarino, or
I'll leave it to Steve Morrison andthey'll put the ball in the net.
You know, leave it to thebetter players to go and play. And
if you've got eleven players, infact nowadays you've got seven subs. If

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they're all at it and they're allfighting and scrapping, you become a really
difficult side to be and you becomea difficult side to break down. And
I think we've seen it under GaryRowitt, we've seen it under Neil Harris.
You know, if you get backbehind the ball and everybody works hard
and everybody's prepared to take a bruiseand a bit of a concussion from throwing
the head in a really tough side, and then what you want is what

(16:03):
we had against West Brom. Weget a breakaway and miscore, you know,
and on Saturday and Rotherham you getthese chances straight at the keeper or
he's pulling off a couple of goodsaves. Now if they go in it'
se Neil and we're talking completely differentlytoday. But you have to put the
shift in. You have to putthat hard work in. You have to
fight like hell for the club,bads and for the fans are paying good

(16:26):
money for you. That attitude willkeep you in the league. You'd be
so tough to be and you willget a nil Nails, you will get
one Nils, but you'll accumulate points. Some fans might not want it.
They want they'd be brought up onSky Sports and Tippy Tappy Football and Olay
football and cut back from the deadball line and people sweeping it in and
all that. If you haven't gotthe players to play that style, you

(16:47):
can't play that style. So youhave to find another way to win.
Top teams they'll go route one,they'll pass it, they'll cut it back.
I watched it to it yesterday.They can score from about seven different
ways. They can launch it.They've got a big center forward, they
got wingers, they got people throughthe middle. You know, you have
to find a way of trying toscore a goal which can't get beat.
And the one single way that youcan't get beat is to fight and scrap

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and get everybody behind the ball keepa clean sheet. That's probably the easier
of scoring. Scoring is our work. You know, people pay a hundred
million pounds for a striker, youknow, the Harry Kanes and and these
guys are are worth their weight ingoal because they just have a knack and
they hardy, mister target. ButI think the middle all ways is to
work hard, scrap, fight,and then over to you upfront and can

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we tuck a few chances away?So I think that might be the middleway.
So great there and hear about BurmerseyTown. Burmersey Town. You word
of them, but what about them? They're a football club based in Robbie.

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They're currently members of the Kent FootballLeague Premier Division and play at the
Saint Paul Sports Ground. The groundshore with fish you on matchdays. It's
where the mill Lionesses, Romans andPride player on Sundays. Oh yeah,
I know. Well if Real Wallwere away, I'll get along check out
the fixtures and details on the BurnseyTown website. I will, I'll give

(18:15):
it a go. I'm your host, Mark Staunton with me, I have
the no one like this talking monthlyshow team of former line Phil Coleman and
Tem Robinson. So my final seasonas Burnsey Town's media officer and I wish
them all the very best for thefuture. It's been a fantastic experience.

(18:37):
On a brighter note, our undereighteens are in the semi final of the
FA Youth Cup at ellen Road onThursday, the fourth of eight. Ral
kickoff at seven pm and tickets arestill on sale to season ticket holders and
members. Phil, you are aproduct of middles FA Youth Cup winning team.
Oh you feel really? I didn'tknow that? What are they at
single leg tie. Yeah, Imight have told you this story about winning

(19:02):
a FA Youth Cup our youngsters.I'll be honest with you. It's a
shame it's only one leg. It'salways away. Always being away from home
is tougher. But all you've gotto do is go away. And I
spoke to about it just now aboutthe mindset, you know, and I
think they need to remember they've alreadybeaten some top clubs in this country,

(19:23):
youth teams. They really have donewell to get there. You go there,
you work hard, you match themall over the park, do what
you normally do because that's what gotyou this far. And you might not
get any chances in football, andthis is one of them. You're in
the semi final with the FA YouthCup and you put a great shift in,
you put in a big performance andyou have no regrets. I think

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we've got a good side. They'veproven that by the results that they've got
this year and the top of theleague that they play in, and I
know how they feel and it lookslike they realised the big games and that
really does help. And I wishhim well. But Paul Roberts on the
show A couple of weeks ago,and he said about it reminded me of

(20:11):
of the Nottingham Forest game that weplayed in in seventy nine. You know,
we were wander up at the Denthree one up, one down,
three one up, three to threeand we've had to go away to the
city ground in Forest and we nickedto one nil. And we knicked to
one nil because Peter Glazier pulled offthe staves when he had two and we
all came away with bruises and mudcovered and Dina expless him, God rested

(20:32):
him soul. He came off witha fractured skull. But that was the
intensity and desire that we had asa group of lads to make sure we
come away with an away result.And I think if the lads go up
there with that determination, roll theirsleeves up and that they'll get they well
could well come back with the resultand into the final. Yeah, Ted.
Interestingly, Paul Roberts Feel's teammate fromthat final, so he's a potential

(20:55):
rematch in the final with Manchester Cityfrom all those years ago. You heard
Paul, and you've just listened toPhil, What are your thoughts on that
one? Yeah? Yeah, Ilistened to Pool the other week as well,
and yeah, these sort of thingssometimes you're fated with them that you
know. It's just strange that allthem years ago when Phil they're playing that

(21:18):
winning scenem and they also scored.I know, I understand, and I
do know because I was there.I watched him. It was men City
and Lo and be Older was inthe other semifinal, Men City, And
so you start to think it's fated, shall we say, and guess what?
We're playing a f A Cup semifinalon Do you realize the date?

(21:41):
Miles fourth of April? Yeah,fourth at a fourth oh four? Do
you remember that? A Cup semifinal? Tim touring just so happens that we're
playing on the same date as that. So again it's coincidence, as they
seem sometimes turn out to be fate. And like Phil said that, look,

(22:04):
the boys have done fantastically well toget this side to take Chelsea out
of the competition. I believe Iwon it. God knows amily times in
recent years. Was a fantastic achievementon its own. So again you should
have belief within them boys. Thereshould be this belief we've beaten this side,
that we can beat anybody in thiscompetition. And once you get that

(22:26):
inside your head as a footballer goingout on the pitch sometimes it's very difficult
to stop people like that. Andyet they're going to have to battle.
Yeah, they're going to have tohave things go their way. There's certainly
a bit of talent in that side, without any shadow of a doubt.
And you know, if they getthere with that right attitude, keep it

(22:48):
quiet at least must be an halfdecent side. They're not Liverpool out in
the last one, but keep itquiet Ellen Road for a short you know,
for the first twenty minutes, don'tgive nothing away load to get into
the game and then take it tothem. You know, I agreely feel
about the single leg though. Imean that seems really unfair to me and
by all accounts I was told theother day's right, how true it is,

(23:11):
but I was told that if weget through to the final, we
will be the away team in that. So, you know, I don't
know why the FA have decided todo that, because it seems to me,
when especially with a youth Cup FAYouth Cup, that you're in a
semi final, it should be anequal opportunity for both sides to play at

(23:32):
home in a way, and evenin the final itself. And you know,
and certainly not. What I'm sayingis, as Phil says, is
what he always is in football.You're playing away is that bit more difficult
than playing at home. So whyanybody should have the advantage in a semi
final, I don't know. Andwhy anybody should have the advantage in the

(23:52):
final absolutely baffles me. But listen, if that is the case, it
is the case that you've got tobeat these teams to win anything. So
I wish them all the best andI'll be tuned in somewhere or someway I
had to find out and they're gettingon because we've got to be dirty leads.
Phil just remind us that brilliant journeyto winning the will in I will

(24:19):
say Tay that I'll add that whatwe don't want is for the club to
get relegades and the youth team toplay Man City in the FA Youth Cup
final, because that will be nineteenseventy nine we visited in It's all this
entirey and you don't really need that, So that's why I never mentioned it,
Phil, But thanks for letting meknow all, I won't mention it
and go back to males question.We started off really slowly in seventy nine

(24:45):
and it was quite weird. Ready, we we're winning games, you know.
We were always in the top threeor four of the year in the
Southeast Counties League and we played ninegames to actually win it. But we
started off with a little three nilwinner slow and to us it's clear as
day to me even now all theseyears on that Oh well, that's another

(25:07):
cup game. Who we got next? Well we went on to beat Norridge
to nil and that was another win. Oh well, we won another game.
Because winning was quite a good thingfor us a lot, you know,
we didn't lose too many games undereighteen. And then I remember our
attitude change. We got Sunderland,and then I remember saying, oh there
were a big club. Oh thishas gone national name. Unfortunately we were

(25:30):
at home and beat them as well. So it's suddenly from that game got
it got to us. It gotserious. We've done Slow, We've done
Norwige. We woke up a littlebit of Sunderland, and I think that
game gave us a little bit ofbelief, the belief setting and I think
Forrest. I think we were justgoing to beat Forrest comfortably. And at
three to one we were in thequarter final and we took our foot off

(25:53):
the off the accelerator and we endedup going away three to three. But
there was two or three thousand watchingus in that quarterfinal at the Den.
You know, nothing changed, youknow, they chased the goalkeeper and they
smashed the coach windows up to theforest, and that it was just like
a first team going back then.And then we beat them away in that

(26:15):
legendary game that Robo spoke about.And I spoke to Tiny Kindseller today and
we both agreed another hour and ahalf on the farm talking about it.
We both agreed that the team weplayed in then had everything. You know,
if you wanted to fight, youhave a fight, you know you
want to fight, Martin Paul Roberts, Yeah, go on it. We
could defend, we could attack.We had flair players with Kevin O'Callaghan's,

(26:40):
Chris Dibblesey and Gale Tony Kinsella.But the one thing we agreed on we
had a tough, winning mentality.None of us took anything for granted.
You know, we worked down Dodd, you know, we eight till five.
We'd be training for about four orfive hours and every single one of
us took opportunities. And I've onlyjust found out talking to toy that have
done nine games that we played towin that f you've cut we kept.

(27:03):
We kept seven clean sheets. Wekept seven clean sheets out of nine games.
And that's how tough we work thebreakdown. But if you give the
ball to Kevin O'Callaghan, like thefan sore in eighty six, eighty seven,
eighty eight, win your games.It crossed the ball on a sixpence,
it put up with a great goal. So we had that and I'll
be honest with you after that forus game, Brian Cluff told us,

(27:26):
that's the best your team I've seen. We dominated the semi final home and
away against Ever Neil Neil, awayto Neil, the same results away at
City Neil Neil and to Nil andwe can basically control the games and we
had the quality. But the mostimportant thing we had was this determination and
self belief and call us cocky orarrogant, that it was a winning mentality

(27:49):
and we were back to each otherand you know it was. There was
no ears in graces about any ofus, and I love playing at the
Den, but the away games werea challenge and and you roll your sleeves
up, you get stuck in andpersonally I loved it away from home and
I had some great first team games. I can remember Sheffield Wednesday with Dave
Donaldson got sent off and me andPaul Roberts to eighteen year olds who are

(28:11):
absolutely smashing Sheffield Wednesday we lost toin Ill We've walked off and we're like,
oh, I enjoyed that one.So I think away games, our
young lads have got to have thatmentality. And I'll also say in my
time we were backed up by peoplein the background, in particularly George Petty.

(28:32):
You know, for him to signevery single one of us pro and
play every single one of us inthe first team, you know we must
have been we must have been okay. And I know talking to Tony and
talked to a few others over theyears, he turned down some good money
for us lads when we were eighteennineteen twenty, ended up selling a few
of us because the club's funding.But yeah, if the current team do

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well, I'm sure the vultures,if they're not already, they'll be circling
our young lags the potentials they areand I just hope that they give it
their all and if they take theirchance, they could well have good careers
and who knows what they might achieve. But I can remember those games in
seventy nine like it was yesterday,and yeah, it led to better things
for the lot of us. Iwill take a break there and listen.

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Listen to just how wonderful one ofour parents signs Bethany Manksalo here clean Feed
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Okay, our Ted Robinson sponsors areonline clean Feed recording platform. What were

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you thinking of? Well, itsounded like a perfumed on intense really behave
just go online and see who elseuses clean Feed. It's a great bit
of kit at a great price.I'm your host, last Taunton and with
me, I don't know. Ilikes to talking to a former I and
Phil Coleman and the famous ten Listenclean Field. It does a great job

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at a great price. Ted nose, you know, don't you? Well?
I know one thing that whatever youcalled me earlier say, it's a
lot more sexy when Bethany says it, but there being an old man of
him, it didn't sound like thaton It didn't look like that's how it
sounded up there, but you know, yeah, that's probably what it was.

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But anyway, Yeah, an interestingsituation has arisen with the Premier League
clubs abandoning a plan to support thefootball period any other than the current arrangements,
despite amazing amounts of money being agreedby both the EFL and the Premier

(30:42):
League in selling their rights to Sky. Last week we've mister West and David
Sullivan launched a barrage at the Championship. In particular, he claims, in
general, the floor in the systemis the Championship. These clubs are having
a huge final problems because they're payingtwo higher wages and agent fees and some

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have managers on one million pounds ayear. This is just an excuse not
to accept anything that even a regulatorbook business. Or are the Championship clubs
operating inappropriate league or do the financialfair play regulations need more rigorously enforced or
is something completely different happening or needed? Ted? What your thoughts on this

(31:27):
on Well, I think it's abit rich for mister Sullivan to turn around
and say about people within a championshipthey're playing wages higher wages and agents fees
and some have managers on one millionpounds a year. Well, what does
he think you have to do totry and get into the very very rich

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Premier League that are paying ten timesmore than that? So why should the
Premiership have all that money and nothelp the rest of the hearing bit of
football? I mean, it's haveseen what goes on in the Premier League.
We know that money wise, butto start saying that the Championship is

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overspending and things like that is adamn right insult, to be quite honest.
But then I'm not surprised because misterSaliver's not alone. There's a few
clubs in the Premiership that we knowwill obviously turned this deal down that they
was trying to make. And atthe end of the day, it's as
simple as one thing, and that'sgreed. And the other thing that makes

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me laugh about mister west Ham isthat they are doing exactly what the championship
sides are trying to do theirselves,which is to break into an elite group
which the top five or six probablyis more or less the same every year
in the Championship. Why because they'rethe richest clubs in the Championship and West

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Ham are trying to emulate that.You know, there is a group of
about fifteen teams now that are prettywell established with in the Premiership. But
at the end of the day,in my eyes, and I've always felt
the same way about this, thesides with the most have a responsibility for

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the sides that have, at leastwithin football, it's all about football is
a lot more than just business,and unfortunately the Premier League has become business.
It's not about football and it's notabout communities anymore or working within the
community. It's all about greed andmoney and you know where can we get

(33:36):
the next few hundred million pounds from? Which is not now. I grew
up in football and it shouldn't bewhat football is all about. Yes,
they're the odd side that comes inand out of the Premier League that makes
a splash. You know, let'slooting for argument's sake. I mean a
way they battled their way back fromwhere they was throughout the leagues. Our

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hope for them that they stay upthis year because you know that they deserve
to you know, as a footballclub. But yeah, I'm sick to
death of these Premiership sides dictating toeverybody else within football and allowing football clubs

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to go to the wall with helpingin any way. And there's only one
reason that they've decided not to baseI said earlier before we started the show,
Myles, I can take this backto my time years ago when there
was a decision made that the hometeam kept all the gate receipts money,

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which meant that the clubs at thetime that were getting the bigger crowds were
going to be the richest clubs becausethey had more people going through the gates
and had more a bigger stadium toplay in, and that was obviously leave
littlans behind. And this is justanother way of doing it. You know

(35:06):
that it's through TV money this timerather than the income that actually comes through
the gate. And the big clubsagain are doing exactly what they've done that
time. That's turning around and sayingwe want all the money, you just
have to find for yourselves. Andit's disgusting. Phil is the management of
clubs rotten to the core or haveodd bad apples started to rock I think

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by the action against Everton and Forrest, there's some there's some mistakes to say,
rather than rotten to the core,some mistakes have been made. But
I might repeat what Tedlors said togoes with you, but I'll go a
little bit deeper. I think Sullivanis absolutely hypocritical given he gets one hundred
million power every summer from Sky,you know, and then you had the
breakaway. It's trying to get intoEurope and create their own league. It's

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just greed. You know. Thereis a question of mister Sullivan at West
hand, what would you want ifyou were relegating the championship. I'll tell
you what you'd want. You'd wantexactly what they don't want to give the
championship now you'd want that. Youwant the nine hundred million on whether it
is coming down to them, youstill want the parachute payments. But sadly,
money owners, big sponsors, Sky, they're all dictating football. And

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you've only got to look at mostleagues in the country. The biggest budgets
are at the top of the league. There's a few exceptions. You can
go down to the Ishmiran Premier,the National League. All the big budgets
are at the top of the league, and owners are bank rolling clubs losses,
sadly including ours. I mean,mister Berylson, I'm sure as putting
millions and millions of pounds to keepthe club going. I understand financial fair

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play and the limits, and we'rewithin them, and most clubs are within
them. I've mentioned forest being hauledacross the coals, but I'd haul it
in even tighter, you know,less losses. You know, is it
out of control. I'll leave otherpeople to argue that one. But we've
also got to stop buying success.We've got this culture now of whole programs

(36:59):
on TV going on for hours abouttransfers in and transfers out, and you
know, it's almost like the PremierLeague teams have got this money on tap
from Sky and these owners, andthey've forgotten about what Ted said about the
community. They've forgotten about Bury FootballClub going under, completely going out because
of poor ownership and funding. I'dstart creating our own players again, and

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if that means more investment at theyoung players, more investment into the lower
leagues, better coaching, because atthe end of the day, we can't
have some kids clubs where they're stillgetting changed in containers, and there's some
non league clubs where the pitches arejust down like road mud. You know,
it's not filtering down. It's therichest sport on the planet. In

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my previous job that I just retiredfrom, something like ninety five percent of
all funding in the world for spoolis related to football. That could be
gate money, buses, trains,piemash burghers. Five percent of the trillions
of pounds that goes on sport inthe world is football related. But we've

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still got kids getting changed in containers, We've still got pitches that are just
just not being looked after. Yetthere's all this money in the world,
so we should be starting to createour own our own players, investing more
in young players, investing better coaching. And I fundamentally disagree. And I
was on the show a couple ofyears ago with Tony Cascarino where we just
slaughtered the parachute payments. You know, But how the hell as a promoted

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club got any chance of staying inthe Premier League if they don't have parachute
payments? How the hell is ateam that gets promoted out of the Championship
mental compete against teams that can spendfour hundred million pounds a season in the
in the summer on new players.You know, Looton can't do it.
Millwell couldn't do it. I doubteven if the top three were leads,

(38:49):
it's Witch and Leicester. I doubtthey could do it. They haven't got
four hundred million pounds and if theyhave, it'll all be down to a
rich owner. So we're after therichest owners on the planet now. So
you know, is Elon must goingto coming and take over Mill or we
might get promoted and stay there.It's all about money. It's bonkers that
it doesn't fill without that, thechampionship and other non league clubs. It
winds me up because it's Ted said, it's about players coming through the youth

(39:13):
team, it's about community, it'sabout fans supporting their club for fifty sixty
seventy years. Unfortunately it's all aboutthe money. But to answer your question,
Milk, I wouldn't tire all theowners of the same brush becaus I
think the vast majority I play withinthe rules. One or two just think
that they could probably run a footballclub like their own business and they can't

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you can't just throw money at footballand expect to get away with it.
And it certainly doesn't buy success andas we all know, it doesn't work
out all the time. But yeah, money it's ruining football. And say
the rich get richer, they wantto break away. And to Selivan to
say that he doesn't win anybody inthe Championship or anybody else to get any
money, I just think it's herea critical given how much he gets.

(39:58):
Forgiven, I'd love to meet themanager's on a million pound a year in
the Championship. Yeah, I'm surethere are some unscrubinous owners, not deliberate
possibly, but certainly. I'm surethey're playing high wages in the top half
of this league, and I'm surethe agent's fees are top dollar as well

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representing the players. But he's talkingabout managing on a million pounds a year.
I'm not sure any club in theChampionship would play that, but he
will have his reasons why. Buthe's also protecting himself and protecting his own
club. You know, we losta Dozy for a million pound as a
fifteen year old man. City gotshot of him for ten million at the

(40:43):
Southampton and we got to two millies, so that boy has made us three
million. That is chicken feet toMan City. They're not interested that that
profit that they made overall profit ofseven million. It just keeps their some
of their age where it's kicking over, you know. But if if the
boy makes it, you've got anotherphoto. If he doesn't, we'll get

(41:04):
too many for him. It's justlike the business is football. It's buying
and selling. It's like sheep ina farm. You know, you sell
your sheep, you get your money, you breed again. It's just it
winds me up because there is nolevel playing field. It is those that
have the most money go to thetop of the league and then they chuck
their money around trying to destroy everybodyelse. There's no thought for the people
below you, and sometimes they destroythese kids as well. Feel you know,

(41:29):
it's I would sort of. Imean, listen, if somebody's in
that position and they get offered asort of contracts that I believe that they
was probably offering Millwall's boys, Listen, is money. I understand that money
talks to people like that, butfor football in since you need to think
about it. If you're a parentof a kid who gets offered something like

(41:52):
that. It's just you need tothink of the best for that child.
And at that time, at sixteenfifteen years of age, they're only just
beginning to mature a little bit,you know, for God's sake, give
them a chance somewhere where they canbecome a star if they like, if
they're good enough and whatever, letthem play. What happened to the days
when you get one hundred and fiftygames out of an eighteen year old and

(42:15):
then you sell him on. Youknow what I mean is that's how football
should be, and that should bea fair way, because as I say
is, you know, Phil,it used to be, and you know
more than us through the facts ofwhen we sold players when they were young,
good young players that come through millWater. They literally keep the club
afloat, and they've taken that awayfrom us by just hoovering up every bit

(42:37):
of talent that they can see.And in lots of situations that the players,
they've overed them up and destroyed them. I just I've got a piece
of paper in front of me andI've just written down a few things.
Nineteen seventy nine versus twenty twenty four, money versus the game business versus morals.

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And I'm in twenty twenty four.I understand it. I can plain
it, I can coach in it, I can manage in it. But
it's nothing like the game in nineteenseventy nine. The money is nothing like
it was in seventy nine. Thebusiness models that they've got now, the
structures of clubs, it's obscened.When Premier League clubs are turning up with

(43:20):
two giant coaches, the first coachesfor the players and the second coaches for
the backroom staff. You know,that is unbelievable. You know, we
had a manager of coach and aphysio. That was it, and we
had one sub so. In effact, we went away with sixteen people
on board, including the bloody busdriver. You know, now you've got
two giants, got fantastic luxury coachesturning up the business against the morals.

(43:43):
The morals. You've got an obligationto your fans, and I just think
the money is so obscene Now.They're on tour almost all the year round,
trying to create new fans in China, in South Asia, in America.
You know, everything you do,you don't care about the players.
You finish a tough season. Somehave played fifty five games and now we're

(44:04):
just nipping off to America to promoteourselves again and play four games all around
America. What the players that they'vejust been used to create money And I'm
sorry, I don't understand yesterday totoday the money versus the game and the
morals the walls has gone out thewindow when you start changing the England kit
overnight almost and start selling it forone hundred and twenty quid, you know.

(44:28):
And we had the chatter to startof the season about the club shirts
up to fifty quid and all daythey're making money out of people's believable allegiance
to the club. And I thinkyou're wanting to play sixty pounds a ticket.
WA's a game of football and you'replaying twenty five pounds or what's Division
two lead to? You know,it's money then goes and gets you a

(44:51):
better player, which gets you upthe league. But you've got a chance
to poor old fans and they're blindfaith and devoted to the club. Is
given the clubs the money and theincome. Scott and say, well you
twenty two and twenty in the topflight, you can have a one hundred
million pouwer because we're going to putyou on Telly at morning, noon and
night, you know, and thenby the way, nobody else is getting
a share of that money. Soyeah, morally, I just think it's

(45:13):
it's not right and that there couldbe another way of doing it. I
like you say, field these playersthat supposedly get burnt out, and I
mean that, I mean, Iknow it's an athletic game now more than
well, you know, it's athletesplaying football now more than football is playing
in my opinion, has been readedin recent years. But they say they
burn theirself out over the season andthey go and play for England in the

(45:35):
Euros or something like that. They'reworn out from a long season and out,
and what do they do before thenext season starts. They off,
They go somewhere like Thailand or America. Like you say, they played pre
season friendlies before the preseason even starts. So as you say, again,
that quite perfectly explains and the greedthat there is within these football clubs about

(45:59):
like you say, and what's thereason for going out and them places to
see all their shirts, to seeall their club names, you know what
I mean? And as you quiterightly pointed outfield, They've got no concern
in my eyes to the for theplayers either because doing it like that you
are just burning these these players outat times. But well that's a good

(46:21):
old rent in it anyway. Ican also continue the rent because there must
be some absolutely outstanding accountants working forthese clubs, putting players on eight year
contracts and spending a billion pound overa couple of months. You know,
I'm not going to mention the club'snames, but you've got seven and eight
year contracts to get around the financialfair play and spreading the contracts and the
fees. You know, there's somefantastic work going on to keep these clubs

(46:45):
out of deductions. You know,you ever that have been caught Forrest have
been caught. You know there issome massive money floating around these clubs.
To spend one hundred million pounds onone player or eighty million pounds and sixty
million pound or two plays. Youknow, this is stupid money. You
know, are they worth it?I'm not sure. I really am not

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sure. I've come out in nineteenseventy nine where you're lucky if he went,
you know what was Trevor Francis thefirst million pound player, you know,
yeah, yeah, it's just escalatedto one hundred million pounds in a
short period of time in terms offootball life, you know, forty years
we've got them a million pounds toone hundred and twenty million pounds. One
of them casedo was it at Chelsea? You know, I find it amazing

(47:27):
that the figures are mind boggling.But I'll go back to it. I
see these pitches and these kids,and I'll see these containers, and I'll
see teams begging to try and finda pitch. We haven't got enough all
weather flooded pitches around the whole country. We certainly haven't got what myr Son's
got in America, where he's gotfull sized domed pitches where they can play
a winter without the wind and therain and the frost and the snow.

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We haven't invested in the grassroots.The faill say, oh we give forty
million pound, you get forty millionthat will be a reserve team player at
Liverpool or Chelsea. You know,that is the It does not filter down
from the products at the top.And that's what really looks me. And
if baby Sullivan thinks that he's right. Then good lad too, Good lat
too, because I'll see kits andcontainers getting chased on a Saturday afternoon.

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We ain't only like this field becausehe's the west Ham owner Army all right,
no, not at all, butI bet I did beat west Ham
two one on my debut, sobrilliant. Yeah, I don't want to
rub it in. We take abreak there, and here from Ellie talking
about Harvey's Den capemen. Oh yeah, he lovely to see you here up

(48:35):
in armies then again, and ofcourse you've taken over from the Brown family
cafe that they have here is justit's just wonderful millwall shirts on the chairs,
blue and white table cloths, bluechairs and all you guys in milworkit
of course tell me what goes on? When are you here? What can
we expect? We're here Monday toFriday from ten thirty till five every day,

(49:00):
open to the public. Everyone's welcome. We open every match day from
eleven thirty till half two. We'vegot a new family, a new little
cafe team and the girls up hereall lovely and friendly. So who are
the girls that are out here?We've got myself Ellie of course, and
then we've got Nicole who works duringthe week. We've got Michelle who also

(49:23):
works during the week. She's lovely, and Lena who works on a match
day and my mum Ellen, who'svery well known, very well known.
She also helps out in here fromtime to time. So we've got a
lovely little family to look after thecommunity. Wonderful stuff. So what's on

(49:44):
offer at the cafe these days?We've got everything from chicken burgers to Pannini's
to full breakfast, tea, coffee, hot chocolate, soft drinks, snacks,
everything you could need. So it'sall here, all available, a
great team to serve it up toyou. Well, what else can I

(50:05):
say but carry on in Harvey's stylehere at Harvey's Den Cafe and all the
best to you Ellie and your team, and I look forward to coming out
and enjoying some of the fair innot the far distant future. Well,
in fact, I've already done that. The coffee is just super Thanks Ellie.

(50:27):
Thanks Amen. I'm your host Marsdaltonwith me of the no I just
talking team, Monthly show team,the Former Life Feel Common and Tim robson.
Great menu, great team, wonderfulsurroundings and lovely God go and say
hello all year round. We're alllooking forward to the next game. But
in the meantime here are a fewmatters of interest the real fans and those
interest in football stand went along tothe Middle History Inheritage Tour on the Saturday

(50:52):
before last I went along to themill Wall History and Heritage Tour. Now
some of you will be familiar withis few. It's advertised and it's about
doing the tour around the Isle ofDogs and learning all about what meal Wall
was about and going to the varioussites. In my experience was the tour,
which was done by Robert Michael wholead the thing, done very well.

(51:15):
I think the tour was very goodand they're planning to do another one
again in September where Phil Coleman isgoing to be in attendance, and you
will see it advertised in a normalway and the tickets are twelve quid and
I have to say that that isin my opinion good value. And everybody
on the tour they all rated thetour, So I would recommend anyone when

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this comes up to put their nameforward to go on the tour because you'll
enjoy it. You've got a lotof walk in the door, but it's
very good. Yeah. Astan mentioned. The next trip is already advertised for
Saturday, the seventh of September.Yours truly, I'm the featured guest on
the trip and I look forward tomeeting all who join us. I'll be
going back to where my great grandparentswill born as well, over the Isle

(52:00):
of Dogs. You can find furtherdetails and book by going to event brights
dot co dot uk and search forMiural History and Heritage. I'll say that
again. You can find further detailsand book by going to event brights dot
co dot uk and search for MiuralHistory in Heritage. The tickets are priced
at twelve pounds and I look forwardto seeing you. If you do see

(52:22):
Phil Common there, don't forget toask them about that fat I won't be
talking about it. Don't do thatvery often. Deal Our means Sy'll be
back on Friday with Aimen. Hewill host Dave, Debbie and Steve with
a couple of guests too. MillLises are back in action on Sunday when
they face when they face AFC Crawleyaway from Home for a one thirty kickoff

(52:45):
at free Bridges FC Ground, JubileField, Crawley r H ten one LQ.
Why not go along and give thelines the support they deserve. The
twenty twenty four to twenty five seasontickets are now on sale. Supporters can
cement their place at the den forthe coming campaign with frozen Super Savior prices
and exclusive benefits. The club ispleased to offer supporters the same Super Saver

(53:07):
period prices as last year for thelaunch of twenty twenty four to twenty twenty
five season tickets. The price freezeis valid until this Wednesday, the third
of April, after which prices willincrease. So that is the third of
April Wednesday, the third of April, So be lively and get them bought,

(53:29):
just as I did I forget youknow. To listen to the normal
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(53:52):
You're welcome and joined it, includingthat rent. Yeah, the geis Miles
and ye was wonderful and I've learnedsomething tonight. Feel played in an FA
Youth Cup final, Ted, didI tell you I scored? You?
Did say keep feeding me? Didn'tyou feel? Keep me coming? I'll

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get to write that book one though, And thank you all for listening.
And let's have a great run untilthe end of the season. Finally,
let's not forget to get save fromthe streets up there until next time.
Bye for now.