August 16, 2023 • 53 mins
Myles Thornton hosts the team of Phil Coleman and Ted Robinson for the first monthly show of the 23/24 season.
Phil Coleman went into education after a tremendous footballing career and retired from teaching this year. He tells us about leaving the world of working with youngsters.,
Ted Robinson tells us about 'Mini Mead' his granddaughter, who will feature with England's Beth Mead in a promotion feature in October.
The team discussed:
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Phil Coleman went into education after a tremendous footballing career and retired from teaching this year. He tells us about leaving the world of working with youngsters.,
Ted Robinson tells us about 'Mini Mead' his granddaughter, who will feature with England's Beth Mead in a promotion feature in October.
The team discussed:
- EFL more accurate game time and substitute increases.
- Millwall Community Trust confirmed PFA Player Ambassadors and their roles.
- The Phil Coleman piece for the Southwark News 'A back 3 or a back 4?'.
- The price of replica kits.
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Hi, Bethany weren't here and you'vejoined us for the magnificent monthly mill No
One Likes Us Talking Podcast enjoy Helloeveryone, and welcome to this season's first
No One Likes His Talking Monthly show. I'm your host, Miles Thoughton,
and with me, I have theNo One Likes His Talking team, a
former Lion and MILLLL fan Phil Coleman, and the man that thoroughly celebrates celebrates
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every MILLLL game, Ted Robinson.Not everybody likes them, but they don't
care even if Phil ted. Howare we all? Yeah? Fine,
thanks Myles, Thanks evening, Miles, even in mate, You're right,
yep, fine perfect. First ofall, what have you been up to
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over the summer break? In mycase, Myles, I'm on downtime.
It's a six week school of thisso I'll finish with a PE teaching for
a while. And having said that, I'll just retired after thirty three years
of teaching PE. So it's beenemotional, but I'm thankful. I've had
two great jobs professional football, andI'll talk pa of kids for thirty three
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years and I'll miss the madness andthe rewards that you get from young people.
They're great and don't let people saythat kids are no good because the
vast majority are fantastic. It's theold one or two that bring it down.
So yep, I've retired after allthat time, and I'll have a
bit more time on my ants whodo a few other things. Sounds great,
sounds great, mate, Ted,how about you? Yeah, well,
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I've just come back from what Ido the other week from Minorca,
which was all very nice, withfour grand children jumping all over me for
a week, was you know,the usual sort of thing. But I
just wanted to mention about my granddaughterMiles. She's going to be one of
the faces of a program called MonsterKick about putting all back into football from
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the ninth of October to the tenthof November, where she had to go
and meet a certain young lady calledBeth Mead. Unfortunately it's not with the
England squad out in the World Cup, but was our star of the Euros
when we won it last year anddo a little bit of a promotion thing
for us, so it will becoming out. She's called a mini medias
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it's because she looks like her andshe does. But it was all very
nice, So all very good toher. But yeah, look out for
it because it's for schools. Anyschool can sign up to it, as
I understand, and it runs fromthe ninth of October the tenth of November.
And yeah, I mean, thesooner we get older kids into the
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football the better in my opinion.So I'll be a prayer granddad when it
starts getting promoted, as you canimagine. So yeah, I look forward
at that in October. But apartfrom that, everything else was wonderful,
all refreshed back and ready for anew season. Mate, Well that sounds
fantastic, mate. We'll take abreak there for now. Let's listen to
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myself and San Godwin talking about localnon league side Bowsy Town Club Burmsey Town.
You heard of them, but ohyeah, but what about them?
They're a football club based in Robinhive. They're currently members of the Kent Football
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League Premier Division and play at theSt Paul Sports Ground sort of road.
The ground share with Fisher on matchdays. It's where the mill Wall Lionesses,
Romans and Pride player on Sundays.Oh yeah right now, well,
if Millwall are away, I'll getalong. Check out the fixtures and details
on the Burmsey Town website. Iwill I'll give it a go. I'm
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your host, Myles Scawlnton and withme I have the no one likes his
talking team of Phil Coleman and TedRobinson. Make sure it's get down to
Burmasey Town FC if Millwall aren't playingor are away and you can't go as
they really need your support to tryand get promoted following a devastating relegation last
season. Only a week ago itwas announced by the EARFL that more accurate
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game time and substitution substitute increases willbe commonplace across the EARFL twenty three twenty
four season and potentially seasons after that. In the style first seen at the
twenty twenty two feet for World Cupin Qatar, Referees will now be obliged
to specifically time how long the gameis stopped before this restart for the game
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interruptions such as a goal, asubstitution, an injury, or preparations for
a free kick. Furthermore, followinga discussion by EFL clubs regarding the number
of substitutes named in match day squads, Championship clubs have opted to use five
substitutes from nine named, an increasefrom seven named in the twenty twenty three
from the twenty three three for twentyfourth season, Phil, from your perspective
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as an ex professional player, isthis a positive news or might there be
some drawbacks with these new arrangements beyondgetting home later for fans and players getting
really fatigued as the game goes on. Whilst they the FA or FIFA,
they had to do something because thereports I've read say that the balls in
play from forty seven to fifty fiveminutes. That's disgusting when you're paying anywhere
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between I don't know, twenty poundsand hunderd pound perhaps at some of the
Premier league games for a ticket.So it had to be addressed. But
yet again it's been addressed by peoplewho have never played the game. You
know, FIFA don't play the game. None of their operatives played the game.
I've seen under twelves wasting time becausethey copied the top players. But
this is this is over the top. Listen, when you're in a professional
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football you killed a game. AndI think I said before that my debut
in nineteen seventy nine, Barry Kitchenerkilled the game. He's gone down.
You're all right, big man,Yeah, go away. I'm just getting
me breath back. Killed the game, killed the game. So this has
been going on a long time.Everybody can see it. Probably accept the
referees. If you want something tostop it, just book the culprits and
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send them off because that will changethem. We don't need one hundred and
twenty minutes. That's like having agame of extra time on top of a
game of football, because what willhappen is you're going to get a four
four as was Norwich. You're goingto add all that celebrating time. You
might have some injuries, You're goingto add all that celebrating time. You've
got to add the substitutions that arecoming on. You've got to add all
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that time, and you could actuallybe playing on hundred and fifteen minutes,
one hundred and twenty minutes every singlegame. And what's going to happen.
There's going to be a pedble inthe pond. They chuck this in.
We're going to add all this timeon, but the consequences are going to
be far reaching. You've already mentionedthat the fans travel. You know,
I'm not leaving a ground at artpast ten at night. I'm going earlier
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to get the train. But we'realso going to have players fitness. There's
going to be accumulation of injuries becausethat's another fifteen twenty minutes over the top
of the ninety. So I thinkit may take it as toll. But
what will happen management players will eitheradapt to it, they'll change their habits,
or as I pretty much think itwill be refined, I think players
might actually stop rolling around interested intheir first few games. I've not seen
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these people holding their faces and rollingaround for five minutes feigning injury. Yeah.
But on the other end, themanagers have now got five subs out
of nine players, so that theycan manage to gain better with those substitutions
differently in my day with no subsand one sub. But time and things
have evolved. But personally for me, I do way of it all.
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And if you're deliberately wasting time,the referees need to be trained in what
it looks like. Our subtlet isbook them, send the culprits off and
they'll soon learn. Or as Imentioned the other day, I've been a
peer teacher for thirty three years.As I mentioned, in basketball, you
got three seconds to get the ballin play. In rugby league got thirty
seconds to take the scrum and restartthe game. So you can quite easily
have time limits. But it's abit ridiculous when the goalkeeper can move from
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one side of the pitch to theother to take a goal kick and it's
allowed. So there are some ofthe rules of not exactly helped speeding the
game up, but so we couldtake rules out of other sports. But
as I said, personally, thereyou go, there's a yellow card,
big, there's another red card.Stop wasting time and players will very very
quickly grow up and stop stop stopdoing it. HUNCHT agree with you?
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How about you said, yeah,I agree with what Field was saying.
Something had to be done. That'sthe thing. The main thing out of
this is that something had to bedone because it is obscene the amount of
time that gets lost a football matchwhen you go to watch it. I
just feel, quite rightly pointed out. It's always budbar me for quite a
while as the goalkeepers running from oneside of the goal to another just to
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take a goal kick. And nowI'm all for you know, a few
a few seconds to take that.Once it's Indy's hands, he's got ten
seconds to get rid of it.Whether they're buy by it or not.
But they'll all take the ten seconds. But yet something had to be done.
But as usual with the way thatthings are done. And this is
where I think Field's got a pointabout FIFA deciding what to do things.
I just wonder how many people ifthey spoken to you know, I this
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responsibility that's on the referee to addthe time on. I'd like to take
that out of his hands. Sticka clock up in the stadium. Right,
they're doing rugby union, and rugbyunion stops a lot more. But
if the referee thinks that there's somethinggoing on that needs to be you know,
the time needs to be added onor whatever, stop the clock in
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the thing so all the fans cansee quite clearly that the referee ain't having
none of that. The players ain'tgetting away with it. I've stopped the
clock, We've still got twenty minutesto go. Then that will stop a
lot of these arguments. That Thething is that the games even now,
if a referee gives eight minutes addedtime at the end, I'm pretty sure.
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There's a guy by the side ofit turns around said eight minutes.
That should be fifteen, you know, And you could do away with all
that by showing it quite clearly ona clock in a stadium that the referee
he stopped he's watching, and he'srestarted it once the time wasting has gone
on. And I mean it isironic in a sense that there are a
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land more people to be sitting onthe bench with the five substitutions, because
it always thoughting myself, the mainuse of a substitution in these days seems
to be to waste time. Youknow, how long does it take to
get the substitution on. We'll quiteobviously, like Phil said that all the
antics that goes on. I've seenit down at middle where they tell we'll
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play it. They go right overthe other side of the pitch because he's
going to be sabbed, so ittakes him a lot longer to walk back.
I'll say that can all get stoppedby quite easily. They're trying to
do it, but make it clearto the fans, right he wants a
substitution, that guy's over there,it's going to take him twenty thirty seconds
to get across the pitch. I'llstop it now. It don't matter how
long he gets across there. Youain't going to waste any time. So
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let's get on with it, youknow. I mean, again echoing a
little bit of what Peel said.I think it's a right move, but
whether it's done in the right wayis yet to see. And I'm ninety
nine percent sure. Like Phil saidabout it being refined, it normally does
when there's any change in any rulesor whatever. It takes five, ten,
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fifteen games for everybody who understand,oh yeah, this is what we
can do and this is what wecan't do. But I also again echo
what Peel said about it. Thereis anything I do like what I have
seen about where they've given yellow cardsto play as hold up and imaginary card.
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It's brilliant in my eyes, deer. I'll make Fred or Dima,
who used to play if us puthimselfs sent off doing that. They've got
a second book got sent off,and rightly so, because it was eat
to sell the ref what a yellowcard is? You know? So there's
going to be some good things.It takes time to settle down and everybody
will get used to it. ButI just think they could have done it
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as usual in a much clear away. But we see, we never know.
Yeah, hundred percent agree with bothof you there. And one thing
you said, they're ted about substitutesubstitutes going to the other end of the
pitch to walk off. Thankfully nowthey've putting that thing. If you're at
that end of the pitch, yougo off at the side. But yeah,
but away players at Millwall and probablyother clubs don't want to do that,
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do they don't. No, theydon't don't want to go over to
the side. It depends if itdepends on if they're winning losing. If
they're willing, if they're losing,they'll lash right off right away. So
you can see the professionalism in it, and I get it because it's win
it all costs and you've got alait point to get to. But when
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when you mentioned refined their ted,I could refine it straight away. You
have twenty five seconds to celebrate yourgoal because the other team is kicking off.
When I'll blow the whistle after twentyfive seconds, you have twenty seconds
to make your substitution or they're startingwhere all the ball is you could quite
easily put time limits that the responsibletime limits. You know, you can
celebrate, but if it's if it'smore than twenty five seconds, the opposition
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can start the game. They willcelebrate and get back of being their shape
inside twenty five thirty seconds whatever theythink to do. So there's refinements that
can be put in place, left, right and center. But I just
think what I don't want to seeis one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty
minutes, because that's going to killthe players and it will certainly put some
fans off if they've got a busin the train to catch, particularly in
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right feel right, you know,as you say, there's one of two
things that you could put time inthe minutes on with without any shadow of
the same thing with the goalkeepers ifthey took longer than ten seconds seconds after
the balls in their hands to takeit and give a penalty, I mean,
no, please, somebody tell mewhere the sixth second rule went,
because it came in. Yeah,and yeah it's gone. It's disappeared,
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absolutely gone. So yeah, we'reall in agreement. If there was another
one field where they used to say, if you didn't get there, I'm
going to do it in rug thing. If you're not back ten yards by
the time you take the free kick, then it gets advanced another ten yards
yea, which will stop people standingover the ball. I mean, I've
noticed what's happening now is where theystand over the ball. Some players are
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deliberately taken it quickly, not totake it quickly, but just to kick
it at them to get them booksbecause they're standing in the way. So
again, some sort of time limitor to get back would be helpful there.
You know. I just think,like you say, it needs to
be refined, and we could allrefine it with our suggestions and what I'm
pretty sure whatever they've decided will justrun this season. They won't alter it
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in any way, which is unfortunate. But yeah, we'll see how it
settles down. My biggest finement,my biggest problem with refinement is it's people
in suits, no disrespect to them, that they've never played the game,
and the referees none of them haveever played the game. Bring some players
in, bring some ex pros andconsult the players that are on the end
of these rules and see what theywant. Because I'll guarantee you well,
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I wouldn't guarantee, but have theybeen consulted, Because from a player's perspective,
certain things will work and certain thingswouldn't work. And if, as
I said already, if you're winningone nil, you're going to kill the
game. But referees needs to beup to date and clued up on what
that actually looks like, because itcan be really so. I can see
a goalkeeper jogging to put a goalkick down. His jog is slower than
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a walk, if that makes sense. Some of some of this stuff is
coached and it is deliberate, andreferees right beyond the april at the moment.
So yeah, we'll see when Theother obvious one, phil is the
throwings, you know, and taketo take a flubbing sometimes, you know,
I could wait twenty seconds that ofthrowing, I'll just run down the
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line. I'll just run down theline well away from where it's meant to
be taken. And he blows upand sends me back ten meters where it
should be taken from. Right,that's a booking to me, book them.
Yeah, it's deliberate. I can'ttake it from there, take it
you know it? Maybe laugh yesterdaybecause Trent Alexander Arnold did get bought.
I know he was taking forever totake a throwing at Chelsea and then when
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he got books and he was makinggestures that the players weren't there when he
got booked. You through it straightaway, and I thought, so you've
just pleaded guilty to what you've justbeen looked for. But yeah, no,
it is as you says things likethat that could be sold out and
X pros would have put that pointacross to fee for officials before and they
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whoever it was, decided these things, and I guess you could be really
brutal. And so if you don'twant to play one hundred and fifteen minutes,
hundred and twenty minutes, then doyour the right thing. Take the
throw on from the right spot,do it within five seconds, goalkeeper,
go and get the ball, pullit down, ping it out. Just
crack on with the game, becauseif not, he'll could it be on
the end of a load of crampor increased fitness or possible long term injuries.
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So let's just crack on when itstop rolling around, stop killing the
game, stop wasting it, stopbeing deliberate. It's up to the players
to be responsible and make changes forthemselves as well percent of group. Both
of you there, So we'll takea break there and listen to our sponsor
and great friend of the show,Dean Wilson and Laden Marsiah. Your funeral
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directors are famed for caring for millfamilies. Where are you located and how
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we've got two branches and main onesin Elton in welt Hall Road and we've
got another one in locks Bottom whichis near Orpington. Mill fans all around
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I'm your host, Miles Thaughton andwith me I have the Nolan Likes
Talking team of Ted Robinson and PhilColeman. Thanks very much to Dean Wilson
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for sponsoring our mill a monthly show. On Friday, the fourth of August,
the Millwall Community Charts confirmed their PFAPlayer Ambassadors. Zeen Fleming and Newman
Casper de Nor are the Education andEmployment Ambassadors. George Saville, Jake Cooper
and Jake Cooper are the Disability Ambassadors. The Community Trust Ambassadors for Mental Health
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are Ryan Leonard and Joe Bryan.The Flying's Food Hub Ambassadors are club Captain
Sean Hutchinson and Billy Mitchell. TheCrime Reduction Ambassadors are George Honeyman and Tom
Bradshaw. The Community Engagement Ambassadors aregoalkeeper Duo Jeuge Long and Conel Truman.
The Women's and Girls Football Ambassadors areRomayne say An Idemotomacu, who are both
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involved in the goal that sealed Millsone mile of a victory to Middle Spot
on the open dated season. It'san aspect of the club's activities that some
fans don't understand, and it isincreasingly becoming the norm for EFL clubs.
Ted, what benefits do you thinkthere's actually these actually bring oh enormous benefits,
Miles are I mean just listening tothe list of what these players are
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ambassadors for, you know, mentalhealth, disability, education, employment,
crime reduction, the food club allthese all these wonderful causes that need to
be sorted out. We have afully fledged championship footballer from a football club
making their self known to be theambassador. And if you put yourself in
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the situation of some of the kidsthat are in the community trust or even
the adults come to that saying,just seeing a player walk through that door
is it means all sorts of benefitsto all sorts of people. And I
would hope that it brings some sortof benefits to the players theirself to be
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involved with it, and that becausethere's a middle a middle community. Trust
has been a wonderful, wonderful thingfor a long long time, never gets
the credit that it deserves for whatit actually does in the community, which
a lot of the things that theydo, how can you put it,
ignored by a regular sort of politiciansand whatever they do a wonderful thing,
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and I'm so pleased to see allthe names of them players there that have
all picked out all the worthy causesthat the Community Trust cater for, and
it's wonderful and the benefits there's noend to the benefits in it as far
as I can see. How aboutyou, Phil, Have you got anything
to add what Ted said? Yeah, totally, report said it's the players
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raises the profile of the Community Trustwith that shadow of a doubt, it's
going to have a positive impact onthose people working within the Trust and the
youngsters and anybody else that needs thesupport of the trust. It will create
a closer bond between the Trust andthe club, the players and the community
and the supporters. It's not it'snot new, but it certainly is now
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becoming more defined. I think Imentioned before. I was at Wrexham and
we used to trade at primary schooland we trained on their little pitch every
Thursday morning. A different primary schooladded out free tickets to the four or
five hundred kids and all their parentsgot them through the turnstiles on that Saturday.
So whatever you do that creates acloser bond between the club and the
community can only be applauded. AndI will mention this that a few years
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ago I brought to some of mycolleague LEDs down from Coaster in the minibus.
I wanted typical Coaster seventeen eighteen yearolds to see what can be done
at different different areas. So Ibrought them down in the school many Bustard
and took them to the Community Trustand they were introduced to the Stab League
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where youngsters from the area could playfive a side football on a Tuesday night
if they showed their stab wounds.And my lots basically craped themselves a bit
because that's out of their comfort zone. But what that's doing, and I'm
not sure if that STAB League stillexist to Community Trust, but it was
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put giving those youngsters somewhere to go, getting them off the streets, playing
football with like minded people, givingthem a bit of confidence and self esteem,
enjoying their Tuesday nights for a coupleof hours somewhere safe. And can
you imagine if a couple of thefirst team has walked in and saw those
lads, You know, there's there'san instant connection, there's an instant bond
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and their self esteem and confidence togo through the roof and you know they
would walk away from their thinking,well someone cares about me, so yeah,
all power to do and yeah,well done the players for giving up
their time in the future. I'msure that's so right for you, because
everybody needs a purpose in life,doesn't matter who you are. If you're
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going through a tough time, youneed that purpose even more. And if
there's anything that can take a person'smind away from his problems as such,
and which is what you need todo in the mental wealth side of it.
If the problems in golf, yea, then you don't see any way
out. But if there's somebody likea player, if you are a Mill
Hall fan and he walks in allof a sudden, then problems disappear and
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you focus on that player, andby the time that you're at the end
of your time with that person,it comes that your problems are eased a
bit by that, and you knowyou might even get to be able to
see a direction to move your lifein. So you can't underestimate the importance
of having Mill footballers attached to MillsCommunity Trust and the purpose for what they
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are there for and what they willhelp with. It's money can't buy that
it's something that will be a fantasticand hopefully continues for a very long time.
Yeah, one of them. Also, I hope that some of the
players say, yeah, I'll dothis, I'll do that. You know,
when these categories are given to them, they'll they'll volunteer. They volunteer
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what to do. I'll give yousomething else, Moles. So it's I
just all the players would probably goback to the club and if not already,
probably would be even more humble.They would understand what's going on in
the community, and they would understandthe connection that they must make with the
fans. You know, this isnot a well off club, isn't This
is a mill football club in southeastLondon and you have to buy into the
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community. You have to buy intothe club. You have to buy the
people that are paying the tickets andsitting in those stands. And I think
there will be a better connection whenthey go back and say Bloominelle. Can
you imagine one of the pros.Can you imagine Hutch or somebody you know
what? More, going back tothe changing rooms the next days, visited
the mental health last night and ourvisit the food bloom. Now you know
we need to pull our finger outhere because these people they're paying tickets to
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watch us play and they haven't gotto they haven't got food on the table.
So I think there's a two wayconnection as well. I think it
certainly humbled me when I went toprimary schools. It certainly humbled me when
when I did some of the asa pro. You visited some places,
and you know it's a it's atwo way thing. It's what I'm saying.
Yeah again, one d gree withyou there, Phil. So we'll
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Phil, you recently surprised supplied apiece of the subbet news about a
back free or back four. Canyou remind us of what you said?
Yeah, there's this debate going onabout middleship play four four two, and
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for me that's old school at seventiesand eighties and beyond, and no doubt
in the thirties and forties there wasa kerfuffle with a w formation. If
people can remember that, if youknow your history, A formation is only
as good as the players, andthe players have to fit it and adapt
to it. You can play fiveat the back, but that's probably when
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the opposition you've got the ball,when you're attacking, you play three at
the back and everybody else goes andattacks. You've got five and two strikers.
You can play four three three.You can play three four three you
play five three two. You canplay whatever you want, but it's down
to the players. I've used thestory. If you've got two wingers playing
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as your wingbacks, they will probablyvery comfortable getting forward and crossing. If
you play two center backs at wingback, they won't get beyond the halfway
line and not be very comfortable crossingthe ball. So you've got to get
the players horses for courses, butalso in games you have to make changes
and on the hoof the manager don'tmake changes. Players have to read the
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situation and they change fluidly. Managerscan change it from a four four two
to three five two at halftime,but it can happen in games as well,
So I don't buy into this wemust play four four two. It's
the mill allway. I've watched teamson the telly and most of them are
playing three five two if they're underthe under pressure because the opposition don't forget
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they're going to put you under pressureat some stage in the game. You're
going to have to have all teneleven back behind the ball, and that's
when your shape, your concentration,your defensive skills there, covering, supporting
each other, midfield players are stoppingthe ball being passed into strikers. All
of that comes into play. Sofor me formations, you can send the
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players out, but they have togo and play. They have to read
the situation. They have to getforward at the right time. They have
to get crosses. You have toget back at the right time. They
have to close down at the righttime. They have to concede possession at
the right time. So formation isone thing. Having having good players to
defend and good players to attack isthe other. So and the and using
subs as well. You can changethe formation at half time, but you
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can quite easily bring on subs thatcan influence the game. But you've got
to remember as well, scouts andanalysts now are paid a lot of money
to watch middle football club home andaway, and they will feedback and these
football clubs will deny you and stopyou playing. So you can have any
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formation under the sun. You couldhave three at the back and everybody attacking
the opposition. They're going to stopyou. They're gonna they're gonna look at
what more, and they're going toput their fastest defender on what more.
They're going to look at essay andthey're going to put another quick defender on
essay, so they're going to stopyou. It's what you do to try
and stop that. And I'll giveyou a great example. I was at
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the Huddersfield game last year. Allten eleven players behind the ball defended like
hell, nick to one nil.And have a guess what to a Bristol
City did on Saturday exactly the same, sit back, defend, try and
probe our weaknesses, try and counter. So there's an awful lot going on
talking about formations, but it's aboutplayers and making the right decisions at the
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right time for me. So everythingyou say one hundred percent of crew with
Ted, what do you think theyYeah, I've done the film sounding up
pretty well there without a doubt it. Listen, there's lots of things that
have changed in football that mean thatformations have changed or the game's changed.
Let's be honest about it. Imean a day of a four four two
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were playing on big, heavy pitchesmore often than nine in m days and
he was taking the pitch out ofthe game by kicking the ball long.
Now, I've got nothing against along ball, because I've said in the
past it doesn't bother me if it'sone or two passes to score a bowl
or if it's aged fifty two.At the end of the day, the
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point of the game is to scoreof color. So formations that you're playing
in, it all comes down tothe players. Himself. Jackie Charlton,
who was manager to Ireland at thetime, decided that his team would play
one way and one way only andand said to everybody else, this is
the strength of my team. Youcome and beat us. And a lot
of teams didn't Wimbledon in years goneby, as as we will probably remember.
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You know, they had a certainstyle which wasn't at the time sort
of seem to be right for Leagueone as it was in the old days.
Or but they coached and they menacebecause they was a team. So
let's feel quite rightly points out itall comes down to the players, and
had the players playing, it doesn'tmatter about the formation. You can have
four four two, you can havefive two three, you can have what
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you like. But if them playersare not playing on the day, it
doesn't matter about the formation. Youknow, it's too easy to blame the
formation, you know, you've gotto it all comes down to the players
at the end of the day wasagain, we know now it's a passing
game in these days, and italways used to be passing them, you
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know if you could. So it'sabout making space for yourself when you've got
the ball so you can receive it, and shutting that space down when your
position's got the ball. You know, it doesn't matter what the formation you're
playing, and if one side isdoing that better than the other, they're
going to be decide that's on top. So people could get hung up about
these formations and I don't I don'talways agree with that. At the end
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of the day, Gary Row itspends more time with them players than any
of us do. We see himon a Saturday, and he should be
able to. And you don't justleave Gary out there to dry. There's
Adam Barrett, there's Paul Robinson floatingaround in there. They're a management team.
They decide what they think is thebest formation for the players that they've
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got in the way that they're playingor they're doing on the training ground.
And you know, like Phil said, in football these days, they're analyzed
from start to finish. My onecriticism MC Gary rat would be that sometimes
whatever formation we go out in itdon't seem to be working, and he
doesn't change the formation to try somethingdifferent. He sticks with the same formation
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and changes the players, and thatdoesn't always work. I think you as
a manager at this day and age, I think you have to be far
more flexible in your mind and you'rethinking you've got far more options sitting on
a bench. So forget about whatformation we're playing in. If we have
to change it to win the game, then change it. It's the best
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formation is the winning formation at theend of the day. You know that's
the way. Sorry mate, yousaid something about the pitches. You know
you played play in the seventies andeighties and you went Route one because you
couldn't put five or six passes togetherbefore it didn't bobble over your chin or
your need. And you mentioned againwinwood And there were clubs around like Cambridge,
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Blackpool, Watford under Graham Taylor andwin Wooden where there was an old
saying amongst us defenders, we're goingto put our ten elmets on the day
because you knew Dune well what wascoming Watford bang it was up to a
six foot nine striker or an Olympicssprinter in Luther Blissit and loss Jenkins,
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you know, and win woulden.It was just the defenders booted it into
the area. The throe when inthe area, the free kick when in
the area. Everything was an aerialbombardment. At in the end, you
ether defended it for the whole game. It was incessant, didn't need any
passes because it was damned defective.And they fed off a knockdown, or
they fed off a missheader or somethinghappened. They created pressure. Nowadays,
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the pitches are like absolute bowling greens. The then pitch is a bowling green.
It's a paradise to play on.So teams over the years have adapted
from mud and route one and atwo giants center forwards Los Jenkins live for
bliss It, one quick one,one really tall one. They've adapted and
now we've got most teams passed theball in League two. They passed the
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ball in the Champion. In thenon league they're still trying to pass out
the back. Believe it or not, the whole game has modified. The
pitches are so much better. You'vegot teams non league teams, they've got
all weather pitches now, even inthe National League. They've got all weather
pitches. Mason had an all weatherpitch, so the surfaces are better.
It allows you to play a bitmore football. But ultimately, whatever position,
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whatever tactics, the players have topass to each other, and the
players have to make decisions to crossor shoot, or to jockey or to
tackle. So you can have anyanything you like. You can have Listen
if you're that good and you're thattalented, and you've got a fantastic football
brain. Your main city because youplay two defenders and eight attackers because that's
what they do that they rely onit. But they all know their jobs
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and they all fall back into anorganized defense. So look, have a
look at Liverpool. They play fourat the back. AR saw Chelsea cutting
apart last night at times, sotherefore needs to be looked at. I
saw mad City they played two atthe back, three in midfield and five
in the penalty era. But they'rethat good at keeping possession. The two
are unemployed basically, but when theylose the ball, Man City, they're
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all back and they funnel back intowhatever shape they do then they press the
ball. So football we get hungup on this this shape, and we've
got to have this organization everything else. If you're keeping position, you're creating
chances. Who cares about shape,it's not important Joan about at rest Wine.
The goalkeepers have come into it withtheir kicking because at the end of
the day, you're in your day, you would have dreamt theyre trying to
pass back to the key because theball probably would have made it in the
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mud, whereas into a goal.Yeah, well, I mean it's true
though, and that's why they haveto be better with their feet in this
day and age, because they arean option with a pass. More often
than not, they're to spare men, so they have to be able to
look after the ball. But it'speople keep doing a wrong idea of saying
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it was down to the back passor it's not a back pass for all.
It's the pitches that we're playing onnow, because if you see like
Man City and that they when they'vegot the ball, the goalkeeper becomes another
player. He actually is in aplan and they will use him like that
because he becomes a spare player Mozin time. So the technical ability of
these players they can control and passin such type positions. You know they're
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playing keeper in my dates. Ithink it's called a rondo now, but
they can pass and move and getout of such type positions. They suck
defenders and midfield players in then theyswitch it and they are so technically gifted.
They have great brain awareness, soit's it's far higher than twenty or
thirty years ago. So their technicalability, their awareness on the pitch,
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the decision making. The top playersare in there for a reason at the
top end of the Premier League,but at the end of the day,
the pitch is the technical ability,the decision making. Forget the formations.
That's something you probably look at ona Sunday, but you know, when
I see Man City, they arethe epitome or fluent changing positions, changing
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john Stone's stepped in in the middleof the parties, a center back they
leave to at the back. It'sall fluid. They go forward in numbers
and they'll get back in numbers.That's all you've got to do. Just
keep possession, great goals. Simplesimple is that feel as simple as that's
very simple? Talking about defensive linethen, as we have been for quite
a while, whether it's free four, but going around it during pre season,
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the first game of the season wellall season now against Breading and against
Bristol City paid with five at theback with two wingbacks. Some a all
fans saying he's making a mistake bydoing that, but actually he has got
the season off well. He didget the season off to a good start
with three points. Well, obviouslythe last couple of games haven't gone to
plan. How do you feel aboutthat too? Well, look, that
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was a fantastic victory against Middlesborough,There's no two ways about that. They're
a good sign was Borrow and they'renever never an easy place to go to.
So they get all three points up. There was a fantastic start.
The Redding game. I tend tocross off a little bit like Gary rawit
as it, you know, Ithink it's a sort of game if you
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look at the results that championship sidesget in that first round of a Carabell
Cup, it's a game that noneof them really want to play. But
coming back to Saturday, I'm notso sure that there wasn't a reaction within
players because I've got to tell you, Miles, I had a lump in
my throat and a tear in myeye, and I'm not one that very
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often shows these emotions. But withthe John Belson thing before the kickoff there
I was, you know, feelingit. Yet these players knowing far better
than me. And I'm not makingthis as an excuse for the guys in
the way that they played, becausethey didn't. They didn't play particularly well.
But having said all, I thinkPhiler agreed. There's a very thin
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line in football where you can betrying to odd and nothing happens, where
you're sort of quite relaxed and thingshappen naturally or you know, for whatever
reason. I mean, I seeDanny McNamara made two mistakes like where he
looked like he had to hold inhis thought and them sort of things don't
normally happen, so it's not anexcuse. I think there may be reasons
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why the performance wasn't as good asit could have been on Saturday. Plus
you've got to give Bristol City alittle bit of credit. Although I didn't
think they'd done a lot and mymate said to me at half time they
was the better side. All theywas better at was keeping the bowl.
It didn't really create anything. Butagain the formation, it's too easier cop
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out when when things don't go wellto blame it on a formation and things
like that. It's it's not aboutthe formation, it's about how the players
played, and they didn't play particularlywell on Saturday, which doesn't mean that
they're going to be like that comenext week against the knowledge. But I
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just think we're getting too hung upon formations and whatever. And I still
think if you look at our squadthat I don't think Gary rats getting it
that wrong with the formation that hestarted, because I think it's probably the
best that we can As Phil Iknow who likes to mention our center half
being a center half himself, andhe has a point that unfortunately we do
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need a bit of protection around him, and I think that's why he goes
with a free But listen, itis what it is at the moment,
and I think he's going to stickwith it for next week and he's got
plenty of options to come off thebench to change things and whatever. That
was the one thing on Saturday Ithought was wrong. It seemed to take
his time in bringing the young boyson. I'd give him twenty minutes instead
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of ten. But listen, itwas a game that really had Neil Neil
written all over it. Didn't it, and so I wouldn't you know,
You've got one game that was reallygood that we've won. One that's a
But that's the championship, isn't it. It's not many goals difference in any
game in the Championship. You don'tsee maybe three nils, four nils,
anything like that going on. It'snormally one goal either way. So unfortunately
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we was on the wrong ed ofit this Saturday. But onwards and upwards,
as they say, a long longwait ago, how about you,
Phil, I'll keep saying this tothe cows come home. This is the
strongest Level two league in the world. You've only got a look at that
league and you will see Watford Leads, Southampton, Leicester, West Brobige Albion
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pedigree, clubs with lots of money, great crowds. Ipswich twenty six thirty
thousand just come up from the leaguebelow. So this league is tough and
there are not one easy game.Everyone at the bottom fighting for their lives,
everyone at the top once a playoffspot, everyone in the middle is
trying to get there or trying toavoid being dumped down there. So all
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forty six games are going to betough no matter what, and teams are
going to come that are den andthey're going to make it really hard to
break down. And then you geta Saturday as an accumulation for me of
the day the on Mars to JB. You've got the game itself, the
expectations of a full house Bristol comingthere. Tight. They've done their homework,
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they've done the analysts, they've analyzedthe mill, they know the streets
and areas to attack. And forme, sometimes I've gone out and I've
worked so hard and I've got nowhere. Other times I've gone out there relaxed
and it's all flowed. So yeah, they're professional footballers, but sometimes the
pressure gets to you. If theyhadn't scored in the ninetieth minute, we
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would be sitting here talking about fourpoints from the first two games and one
almighty tough away game at Millsborough,and I doubt anybody would be talking about
formations. But okay, I'll posethis to people. Everybody wants to play
four four two, So pick twocenter backs to play at the back for
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us. Picked a two out andout center backs, who would you go
with, because I'll guarantee you theywould be exposed. In this league,
two center backs will be exposed.You would need an outstanding center midfield player
to sit in front of them.You would need outstanding fullbacks to cover both
of them, because whoever you pickedone of them, at least one of
them is going to get done forpace because most opposition are turning up with
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really quick strikers, and if they'renot quick physically, they're quick mentally.
They dart across you at the lastminute from a corner, or they just
open up their body and bend itin the far corner from twenty yards really
quickly, and you can't close themdown. So by putting three in now
it probably gives us more protection.But when you look at the accumulation of
a game of football, no gameis the same, and certainly home games
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from millll teams are turning up HuddersfieldBristol, they keep it tight and they're
going to nick a one nil.For me, that's going to be the
norm for the rest of the seasonbecause our home record buying large has been
great. I know one or twofans are producing stats of six losses in
the last few home games or whateveris. But for Evan's like we were
in with a chance of the playoffslast year by a point or two,
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and now we're asking for Garrett Routeto be sacked and throw the tactics book
up in the year and bringing fourfour to listen. This is a long
old season. There's forty four gamesleft, nobody's promoted and relegated in August,
and we will win games and wewill lose games. But for me
it's three points from two and itcould have been a bit better. But
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yeah, expects teams to turn upwith the den and be as tight as
as they can be and try nickpoints on the breakaway. Yep, how
hundred p sevent agree there, We'lltake a break there. And here from
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Millll Community dot org dot UK.I'll say that again. Email commercial at
Millll Community dot org dot UK.Please help if you can. I'm your
host, Miles Daunton and with meI have the normal Actus Talk team of
Ted Robertson and Phil Coleman. Sothen we're coming to the end of our
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first monthly show of the season.But let's talk about shirt prices. As
a child, children would want thekit that the players playing because they will
be wearing the same kit that theirhero is playing. Make them feel great,
right, Well, it's fifty threepounds for a child's shirt with the
shorts and socks. It makes iteighty eight pounds for a children's kit if
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you have two or three children.That's really expensive in the time that we
in in this cost of living crisis. An adult's shirt is also fifty nine
pound and that doesn't include printing,which is an extra fifteen pound. We're
currently going through, as I said, a cost of living crisis with many
people struggling for money right now.Is this too much to be charging for
a shirt kit? And looking atother clubs websites in our league, the
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likes of middles for for example,an adult home shirt is still fifty two
pound and the child's home shirt isstill quite expensive at forty four pounds.
What do you think, Phil,Are these prices too expensive? Yes?
Two expensivees? Yeah, simple asthat I could finish there. But I
think clubs are relying on the motionof fans to buy the shirt, the
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loyalty, the tribalism. I've gotmy shirt and I'll wear it on match
days. Time will tell for meif those prices actually cut it, because
you can have low costs and highsales, or you can have a high
cost and low sales. So Idon't know how it led up end up
at the end of the season.But if I'm going to buy my sons
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or grandson's at mill or kit,it's eighty eight pounds fifty three pounds for
a kid shirt. Eighty eight pounds. You know that's that's a heck of
a Christmas present, particularly in thecurrent climate. I get it why,
you know, the cost of transportationand printing and and all those costs.
All the costs have gone up.But for me, that's too expensive.
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But I'll tell you little story.At Wrexham, I think they sold forty
two thousand shirts last year. Yeah, they're averaging ten thousand crowds in the
National League. But because of theowners and the fairy tale story that they're
on, they sold forty two thousandshirts. So shirts can be a massive
income for a club. But I'llbe interested to know if this is too
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much and we don't actually make toomuch at the end of the season,
but yeah, too expensive. Fiftythree pounds and eighty eight that's a lot
of money, particularly for the traditionalfan that saves up for their season tickets,
you know, and it's their life. You know, you're asking even
more from those paying public members ofpublic. Yeah, exactly, Ted,
what do you think? Well withfour grains Jildren to our first of all
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is christ I need to do somemore overtime, I think. But I
don't know how they get fifty threepound for a kid's shirt and it's only
fifty nine for an adult shirt.I mean it's only six pound difference.
It's that to me, he's abit bit sort of criminal, you know.
And as you say, we've actuallymy daughter even phone me at the
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other day and her favorite colors orange. So what a mill will do come
and bring a third kit out inorange. So it looks like at some
point this season I'll be taking mytwo youngest grand children there. My eldest
too are already season to get holders, but my youngest too, which means
my daughter a come and it saysshe's going to want an orange shirt to
come along. So it gets itis, in my opinion, a little
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bit of scene because what they doplay on and feel it now and near
to a certain extent, now thatit's the law of fans that football clubs
play on at times, they knowthat we're going to be doing what we
can to buy a shirt that ourheroes playing. As you quite rightly say,
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every kid will want that. Iknow my grandchildren will want that.
And yeah, it's it's expensive,and I'd like to see the breakdown of
it or how much profit the millwill actually make out of the shirts.
You know they are they be Ingredyin that respect, or is it the
the manufacturers that you know. I'vegot to be honest. All have had
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problems for years, going back yearswhen I was on the supporters Club committee
and I remember one year with AndyAmbler before Steve Gabner telling us that the
delivery was on a boat from Chinaand I don't think it's going to get
here before the kickoff, And weseem to have the same sort of thing
this year has happened again, likeactually, that's all about what happened last
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year, because we're talking about Christmasand getting shirts at Christmas. Mill must
have lost a bit of money atthe last season because the cupboard was bit,
wasn't it because of what happened withwas it Maccron? Was it Maccron
we had I can't remember that wehave Hummel Humble, sorry not Macron Humble.
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You're right, Miles, you knowso. Yet football clubs do want
as much money as they can get, especially football clubs like mill Wall,
and I fully understand that, butI think, like Phil mentioned there,
eighty eight pound for the kids kitis a bit steep without any shadow that
was doubt. Yeah, well that'sit now until the September monthly show.
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Thank you for coming on, PhilNo problems, absolutely loved it greatly talk
football and thank you for coming onTed my pleasure. Marles really enjoyed it
as always, and thank you verymuch to those listening on our first monthly
show of the twenty twenty three twentyfourth season. Our next show will be
our weekly, the Weekly Mill FansShow, hosted by Amon Barkley, with
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a panel of Jeff Burnage, DebbieJulian's and myself. Until next time,
keep it safe on the street,out there comedy lines,
Hi, Bethany weren't here and you'vejoined us for the magnificent monthly mill No
One Likes Us Talking Podcast enjoy Helloeveryone, and welcome to this season's first
No One Likes His Talking Monthly show. I'm your host, Miles Thoughton,
and with me, I have theNo One Likes His Talking team, a
former Lion and MILLLL fan Phil Coleman, and the man that thoroughly celebrates celebrates
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every MILLLL game, Ted Robinson.Not everybody likes them, but they don't
care even if Phil ted. Howare we all? Yeah? Fine,
thanks Myles, Thanks evening, Miles, even in mate, You're right,
yep, fine perfect. First ofall, what have you been up to
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over the summer break? In mycase, Myles, I'm on downtime.
It's a six week school of thisso I'll finish with a PE teaching for
a while. And having said that, I'll just retired after thirty three years
of teaching PE. So it's beenemotional, but I'm thankful. I've had
two great jobs professional football, andI'll talk pa of kids for thirty three
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years and I'll miss the madness andthe rewards that you get from young people.
They're great and don't let people saythat kids are no good because the
vast majority are fantastic. It's theold one or two that bring it down.
So yep, I've retired after allthat time, and I'll have a
bit more time on my ants whodo a few other things. Sounds great,
sounds great, mate, Ted,how about you? Yeah, well,
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I've just come back from what Ido the other week from Minorca,
which was all very nice, withfour grand children jumping all over me for
a week, was you know,the usual sort of thing. But I
just wanted to mention about my granddaughterMiles. She's going to be one of
the faces of a program called MonsterKick about putting all back into football from
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the ninth of October to the tenthof November, where she had to go
and meet a certain young lady calledBeth Mead. Unfortunately it's not with the
England squad out in the World Cup, but was our star of the Euros
when we won it last year anddo a little bit of a promotion thing
for us, so it will becoming out. She's called a mini medias
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it's because she looks like her andshe does. But it was all very
nice, So all very good toher. But yeah, look out for
it because it's for schools. Anyschool can sign up to it, as
I understand, and it runs fromthe ninth of October the tenth of November.
And yeah, I mean, thesooner we get older kids into the
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football the better in my opinion.So I'll be a prayer granddad when it
starts getting promoted, as you canimagine. So yeah, I look forward
at that in October. But apartfrom that, everything else was wonderful,
all refreshed back and ready for anew season. Mate, Well that sounds
fantastic, mate. We'll take abreak there for now. Let's listen to
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myself and San Godwin talking about localnon league side Bowsy Town Club Burmsey Town.
You heard of them, but ohyeah, but what about them?
They're a football club based in Robinhive. They're currently members of the Kent Football
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League Premier Division and play at theSt Paul Sports Ground sort of road.
The ground share with Fisher on matchdays. It's where the mill Wall Lionesses,
Romans and Pride player on Sundays.Oh yeah right now, well,
if Millwall are away, I'll getalong. Check out the fixtures and details
on the Burmsey Town website. Iwill I'll give it a go. I'm
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your host, Myles Scawlnton and withme I have the no one likes his
talking team of Phil Coleman and TedRobinson. Make sure it's get down to
Burmasey Town FC if Millwall aren't playingor are away and you can't go as
they really need your support to tryand get promoted following a devastating relegation last
season. Only a week ago itwas announced by the EARFL that more accurate
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game time and substitution substitute increases willbe commonplace across the EARFL twenty three twenty
four season and potentially seasons after that. In the style first seen at the
twenty twenty two feet for World Cupin Qatar, Referees will now be obliged
to specifically time how long the gameis stopped before this restart for the game
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interruptions such as a goal, asubstitution, an injury, or preparations for
a free kick. Furthermore, followinga discussion by EFL clubs regarding the number
of substitutes named in match day squads, Championship clubs have opted to use five
substitutes from nine named, an increasefrom seven named in the twenty twenty three
from the twenty three three for twentyfourth season, Phil, from your perspective
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as an ex professional player, isthis a positive news or might there be
some drawbacks with these new arrangements beyondgetting home later for fans and players getting
really fatigued as the game goes on. Whilst they the FA or FIFA,
they had to do something because thereports I've read say that the balls in
play from forty seven to fifty fiveminutes. That's disgusting when you're paying anywhere
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between I don't know, twenty poundsand hunderd pound perhaps at some of the
Premier league games for a ticket.So it had to be addressed. But
yet again it's been addressed by peoplewho have never played the game. You
know, FIFA don't play the game. None of their operatives played the game.
I've seen under twelves wasting time becausethey copied the top players. But
this is this is over the top. Listen, when you're in a professional
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football you killed a game. AndI think I said before that my debut
in nineteen seventy nine, Barry Kitchenerkilled the game. He's gone down.
You're all right, big man,Yeah, go away. I'm just getting
me breath back. Killed the game, killed the game. So this has
been going on a long time.Everybody can see it. Probably accept the
referees. If you want something tostop it, just book the culprits and
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send them off because that will changethem. We don't need one hundred and
twenty minutes. That's like having agame of extra time on top of a
game of football, because what willhappen is you're going to get a four
four as was Norwich. You're goingto add all that celebrating time. You
might have some injuries, You're goingto add all that celebrating time. You've
got to add the substitutions that arecoming on. You've got to add all
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that time, and you could actuallybe playing on hundred and fifteen minutes,
one hundred and twenty minutes every singlegame. And what's going to happen.
There's going to be a pedble inthe pond. They chuck this in.
We're going to add all this timeon, but the consequences are going to
be far reaching. You've already mentionedthat the fans travel. You know,
I'm not leaving a ground at artpast ten at night. I'm going earlier
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to get the train. But we'realso going to have players fitness. There's
going to be accumulation of injuries becausethat's another fifteen twenty minutes over the top
of the ninety. So I thinkit may take it as toll. But
what will happen management players will eitheradapt to it, they'll change their habits,
or as I pretty much think itwill be refined, I think players
might actually stop rolling around interested intheir first few games. I've not seen
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these people holding their faces and rollingaround for five minutes feigning injury. Yeah.
But on the other end, themanagers have now got five subs out
of nine players, so that theycan manage to gain better with those substitutions
differently in my day with no subsand one sub. But time and things
have evolved. But personally for me, I do way of it all.
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And if you're deliberately wasting time,the referees need to be trained in what
it looks like. Our subtlet isbook them, send the culprits off and
they'll soon learn. Or as Imentioned the other day, I've been a
peer teacher for thirty three years.As I mentioned, in basketball, you
got three seconds to get the ballin play. In rugby league got thirty
seconds to take the scrum and restartthe game. So you can quite easily
have time limits. But it's abit ridiculous when the goalkeeper can move from
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one side of the pitch to theother to take a goal kick and it's
allowed. So there are some ofthe rules of not exactly helped speeding the
game up, but so we couldtake rules out of other sports. But
as I said, personally, thereyou go, there's a yellow card,
big, there's another red card.Stop wasting time and players will very very
quickly grow up and stop stop stopdoing it. HUNCHT agree with you?
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How about you said, yeah,I agree with what Field was saying.
Something had to be done. That'sthe thing. The main thing out of
this is that something had to bedone because it is obscene the amount of
time that gets lost a football matchwhen you go to watch it. I
just feel, quite rightly pointed out. It's always budbar me for quite a
while as the goalkeepers running from oneside of the goal to another just to
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take a goal kick. And nowI'm all for you know, a few
a few seconds to take that.Once it's Indy's hands, he's got ten
seconds to get rid of it.Whether they're buy by it or not.
But they'll all take the ten seconds. But yet something had to be done.
But as usual with the way thatthings are done. And this is
where I think Field's got a pointabout FIFA deciding what to do things.
I just wonder how many people ifthey spoken to you know, I this
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responsibility that's on the referee to addthe time on. I'd like to take
that out of his hands. Sticka clock up in the stadium. Right,
they're doing rugby union, and rugbyunion stops a lot more. But
if the referee thinks that there's somethinggoing on that needs to be you know,
the time needs to be added onor whatever, stop the clock in
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the thing so all the fans cansee quite clearly that the referee ain't having
none of that. The players ain'tgetting away with it. I've stopped the
clock, We've still got twenty minutesto go. Then that will stop a
lot of these arguments. That Thething is that the games even now,
if a referee gives eight minutes addedtime at the end, I'm pretty sure.
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There's a guy by the side ofit turns around said eight minutes.
That should be fifteen, you know, And you could do away with all
that by showing it quite clearly ona clock in a stadium that the referee
he stopped he's watching, and he'srestarted it once the time wasting has gone
on. And I mean it isironic in a sense that there are a
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land more people to be sitting onthe bench with the five substitutions, because
it always thoughting myself, the mainuse of a substitution in these days seems
to be to waste time. Youknow, how long does it take to
get the substitution on. We'll quiteobviously, like Phil said that all the
antics that goes on. I've seenit down at middle where they tell we'll
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play it. They go right overthe other side of the pitch because he's
going to be sabbed, so ittakes him a lot longer to walk back.
I'll say that can all get stoppedby quite easily. They're trying to
do it, but make it clearto the fans, right he wants a
substitution, that guy's over there,it's going to take him twenty thirty seconds
to get across the pitch. I'llstop it now. It don't matter how
long he gets across there. Youain't going to waste any time. So
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let's get on with it, youknow. I mean, again echoing a
little bit of what Peel said.I think it's a right move, but
whether it's done in the right wayis yet to see. And I'm ninety
nine percent sure. Like Phil saidabout it being refined, it normally does
when there's any change in any rulesor whatever. It takes five, ten,
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fifteen games for everybody who understand,oh yeah, this is what we
can do and this is what wecan't do. But I also again echo
what Peel said about it. Thereis anything I do like what I have
seen about where they've given yellow cardsto play as hold up and imaginary card.
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It's brilliant in my eyes, deer. I'll make Fred or Dima,
who used to play if us puthimselfs sent off doing that. They've got
a second book got sent off,and rightly so, because it was eat
to sell the ref what a yellowcard is? You know? So there's
going to be some good things.It takes time to settle down and everybody
will get used to it. ButI just think they could have done it
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as usual in a much clear away. But we see, we never know.
Yeah, hundred percent agree with bothof you there. And one thing
you said, they're ted about substitutesubstitutes going to the other end of the
pitch to walk off. Thankfully nowthey've putting that thing. If you're at
that end of the pitch, yougo off at the side. But yeah,
but away players at Millwall and probablyother clubs don't want to do that,
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do they don't. No, theydon't don't want to go over to
the side. It depends if itdepends on if they're winning losing. If
they're willing, if they're losing,they'll lash right off right away. So
you can see the professionalism in it, and I get it because it's win
it all costs and you've got alait point to get to. But when
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when you mentioned refined their ted,I could refine it straight away. You
have twenty five seconds to celebrate yourgoal because the other team is kicking off.
When I'll blow the whistle after twentyfive seconds, you have twenty seconds
to make your substitution or they're startingwhere all the ball is you could quite
easily put time limits that the responsibletime limits. You know, you can
celebrate, but if it's if it'smore than twenty five seconds, the opposition
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can start the game. They willcelebrate and get back of being their shape
inside twenty five thirty seconds whatever theythink to do. So there's refinements that
can be put in place, left, right and center. But I just
think what I don't want to seeis one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty
minutes, because that's going to killthe players and it will certainly put some
fans off if they've got a busin the train to catch, particularly in
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right feel right, you know,as you say, there's one of two
things that you could put time inthe minutes on with without any shadow of
the same thing with the goalkeepers ifthey took longer than ten seconds seconds after
the balls in their hands to takeit and give a penalty, I mean,
no, please, somebody tell mewhere the sixth second rule went,
because it came in. Yeah,and yeah it's gone. It's disappeared,
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absolutely gone. So yeah, we'reall in agreement. If there was another
one field where they used to say, if you didn't get there, I'm
going to do it in rug thing. If you're not back ten yards by
the time you take the free kick, then it gets advanced another ten yards
yea, which will stop people standingover the ball. I mean, I've
noticed what's happening now is where theystand over the ball. Some players are
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deliberately taken it quickly, not totake it quickly, but just to kick
it at them to get them booksbecause they're standing in the way. So
again, some sort of time limitor to get back would be helpful there.
You know. I just think,like you say, it needs to
be refined, and we could allrefine it with our suggestions and what I'm
pretty sure whatever they've decided will justrun this season. They won't alter it
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in any way, which is unfortunate. But yeah, we'll see how it
settles down. My biggest finement,my biggest problem with refinement is it's people
in suits, no disrespect to them, that they've never played the game,
and the referees none of them haveever played the game. Bring some players
in, bring some ex pros andconsult the players that are on the end
of these rules and see what theywant. Because I'll guarantee you well,
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I wouldn't guarantee, but have theybeen consulted, Because from a player's perspective,
certain things will work and certain thingswouldn't work. And if, as
I said already, if you're winningone nil, you're going to kill the
game. But referees needs to beup to date and clued up on what
that actually looks like, because itcan be really so. I can see
a goalkeeper jogging to put a goalkick down. His jog is slower than
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a walk, if that makes sense. Some of some of this stuff is
coached and it is deliberate, andreferees right beyond the april at the moment.
So yeah, we'll see when Theother obvious one, phil is the
throwings, you know, and taketo take a flubbing sometimes, you know,
I could wait twenty seconds that ofthrowing, I'll just run down the
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line. I'll just run down theline well away from where it's meant to
be taken. And he blows upand sends me back ten meters where it
should be taken from. Right,that's a booking to me, book them.
Yeah, it's deliberate. I can'ttake it from there, take it
you know it? Maybe laugh yesterdaybecause Trent Alexander Arnold did get bought.
I know he was taking forever totake a throwing at Chelsea and then when
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he got books and he was makinggestures that the players weren't there when he
got booked. You through it straightaway, and I thought, so you've
just pleaded guilty to what you've justbeen looked for. But yeah, no,
it is as you says things likethat that could be sold out and
X pros would have put that pointacross to fee for officials before and they
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whoever it was, decided these things, and I guess you could be really
brutal. And so if you don'twant to play one hundred and fifteen minutes,
hundred and twenty minutes, then doyour the right thing. Take the
throw on from the right spot,do it within five seconds, goalkeeper,
go and get the ball, pullit down, ping it out. Just
crack on with the game, becauseif not, he'll could it be on
the end of a load of crampor increased fitness or possible long term injuries.
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So let's just crack on when itstop rolling around, stop killing the
game, stop wasting it, stopbeing deliberate. It's up to the players
to be responsible and make changes forthemselves as well percent of group. Both
of you there, So we'll takea break there and listen to our sponsor
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I'm your host, Miles Thaughton andwith me I have the Nolan Likes
Talking team of Ted Robinson and PhilColeman. Thanks very much to Dean Wilson
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for sponsoring our mill a monthly show. On Friday, the fourth of August,
the Millwall Community Charts confirmed their PFAPlayer Ambassadors. Zeen Fleming and Newman
Casper de Nor are the Education andEmployment Ambassadors. George Saville, Jake Cooper
and Jake Cooper are the Disability Ambassadors. The Community Trust Ambassadors for Mental Health
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are Ryan Leonard and Joe Bryan.The Flying's Food Hub Ambassadors are club Captain
Sean Hutchinson and Billy Mitchell. TheCrime Reduction Ambassadors are George Honeyman and Tom
Bradshaw. The Community Engagement Ambassadors aregoalkeeper Duo Jeuge Long and Conel Truman.
The Women's and Girls Football Ambassadors areRomayne say An Idemotomacu, who are both
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involved in the goal that sealed Millsone mile of a victory to Middle Spot
on the open dated season. It'san aspect of the club's activities that some
fans don't understand, and it isincreasingly becoming the norm for EFL clubs.
Ted, what benefits do you thinkthere's actually these actually bring oh enormous benefits,
Miles are I mean just listening tothe list of what these players are
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ambassadors for, you know, mentalhealth, disability, education, employment,
crime reduction, the food club allthese all these wonderful causes that need to
be sorted out. We have afully fledged championship footballer from a football club
making their self known to be theambassador. And if you put yourself in
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the situation of some of the kidsthat are in the community trust or even
the adults come to that saying,just seeing a player walk through that door
is it means all sorts of benefitsto all sorts of people. And I
would hope that it brings some sortof benefits to the players theirself to be
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involved with it, and that becausethere's a middle a middle community. Trust
has been a wonderful, wonderful thingfor a long long time, never gets
the credit that it deserves for whatit actually does in the community, which
a lot of the things that theydo, how can you put it,
ignored by a regular sort of politiciansand whatever they do a wonderful thing,
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and I'm so pleased to see allthe names of them players there that have
all picked out all the worthy causesthat the Community Trust cater for, and
it's wonderful and the benefits there's noend to the benefits in it as far
as I can see. How aboutyou, Phil, Have you got anything
to add what Ted said? Yeah, totally, report said it's the players
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raises the profile of the Community Trustwith that shadow of a doubt, it's
going to have a positive impact onthose people working within the Trust and the
youngsters and anybody else that needs thesupport of the trust. It will create
a closer bond between the Trust andthe club, the players and the community
and the supporters. It's not it'snot new, but it certainly is now
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becoming more defined. I think Imentioned before. I was at Wrexham and
we used to trade at primary schooland we trained on their little pitch every
Thursday morning. A different primary schooladded out free tickets to the four or
five hundred kids and all their parentsgot them through the turnstiles on that Saturday.
So whatever you do that creates acloser bond between the club and the
community can only be applauded. AndI will mention this that a few years
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ago I brought to some of mycolleague LEDs down from Coaster in the minibus.
I wanted typical Coaster seventeen eighteen yearolds to see what can be done
at different different areas. So Ibrought them down in the school many Bustard
and took them to the Community Trustand they were introduced to the Stab League
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where youngsters from the area could playfive a side football on a Tuesday night
if they showed their stab wounds.And my lots basically craped themselves a bit
because that's out of their comfort zone. But what that's doing, and I'm
not sure if that STAB League stillexist to Community Trust, but it was
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put giving those youngsters somewhere to go, getting them off the streets, playing
football with like minded people, givingthem a bit of confidence and self esteem,
enjoying their Tuesday nights for a coupleof hours somewhere safe. And can
you imagine if a couple of thefirst team has walked in and saw those
lads, You know, there's there'san instant connection, there's an instant bond
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and their self esteem and confidence togo through the roof and you know they
would walk away from their thinking,well someone cares about me, so yeah,
all power to do and yeah,well done the players for giving up
their time in the future. I'msure that's so right for you, because
everybody needs a purpose in life,doesn't matter who you are. If you're
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going through a tough time, youneed that purpose even more. And if
there's anything that can take a person'smind away from his problems as such,
and which is what you need todo in the mental wealth side of it.
If the problems in golf, yea, then you don't see any way
out. But if there's somebody likea player, if you are a Mill
Hall fan and he walks in allof a sudden, then problems disappear and
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you focus on that player, andby the time that you're at the end
of your time with that person,it comes that your problems are eased a
bit by that, and you knowyou might even get to be able to
see a direction to move your lifein. So you can't underestimate the importance
of having Mill footballers attached to MillsCommunity Trust and the purpose for what they
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are there for and what they willhelp with. It's money can't buy that
it's something that will be a fantasticand hopefully continues for a very long time.
Yeah, one of them. Also, I hope that some of the
players say, yeah, I'll dothis, I'll do that. You know,
when these categories are given to them, they'll they'll volunteer. They volunteer
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what to do. I'll give yousomething else, Moles. So it's I
just all the players would probably goback to the club and if not already,
probably would be even more humble.They would understand what's going on in
the community, and they would understandthe connection that they must make with the
fans. You know, this isnot a well off club, isn't This
is a mill football club in southeastLondon and you have to buy into the
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community. You have to buy intothe club. You have to buy the
people that are paying the tickets andsitting in those stands. And I think
there will be a better connection whenthey go back and say Bloominelle. Can
you imagine one of the pros.Can you imagine Hutch or somebody you know
what? More, going back tothe changing rooms the next days, visited
the mental health last night and ourvisit the food bloom. Now you know
we need to pull our finger outhere because these people they're paying tickets to
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watch us play and they haven't gotto they haven't got food on the table.
So I think there's a two wayconnection as well. I think it
certainly humbled me when I went toprimary schools. It certainly humbled me when
when I did some of the asa pro. You visited some places,
and you know it's a it's atwo way thing. It's what I'm saying.
Yeah again, one d gree withyou there, Phil. So we'll
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go. Thank you very much seriouslythough. It is a great bit of
kit and it is what we whatthe show is recorded on. Thanks Ted,
Phil, you recently surprised supplied apiece of the subbet news about a
back free or back four. Canyou remind us of what you said?
Yeah, there's this debate going onabout middleship play four four two, and
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for me that's old school at seventiesand eighties and beyond, and no doubt
in the thirties and forties there wasa kerfuffle with a w formation. If
people can remember that, if youknow your history, A formation is only
as good as the players, andthe players have to fit it and adapt
to it. You can play fiveat the back, but that's probably when
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the opposition you've got the ball,when you're attacking, you play three at
the back and everybody else goes andattacks. You've got five and two strikers.
You can play four three three.You can play three four three you
play five three two. You canplay whatever you want, but it's down
to the players. I've used thestory. If you've got two wingers playing
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as your wingbacks, they will probablyvery comfortable getting forward and crossing. If
you play two center backs at wingback, they won't get beyond the halfway
line and not be very comfortable crossingthe ball. So you've got to get
the players horses for courses, butalso in games you have to make changes
and on the hoof the manager don'tmake changes. Players have to read the
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situation and they change fluidly. Managerscan change it from a four four two
to three five two at halftime,but it can happen in games as well,
So I don't buy into this wemust play four four two. It's
the mill allway. I've watched teamson the telly and most of them are
playing three five two if they're underthe under pressure because the opposition don't forget
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they're going to put you under pressureat some stage in the game. You're
going to have to have all teneleven back behind the ball, and that's
when your shape, your concentration,your defensive skills there, covering, supporting
each other, midfield players are stoppingthe ball being passed into strikers. All
of that comes into play. Sofor me formations, you can send the
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players out, but they have togo and play. They have to read
the situation. They have to getforward at the right time. They have
to get crosses. You have toget back at the right time. They
have to close down at the righttime. They have to concede possession at
the right time. So formation isone thing. Having having good players to
defend and good players to attack isthe other. So and the and using
subs as well. You can changethe formation at half time, but you
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can quite easily bring on subs thatcan influence the game. But you've got
to remember as well, scouts andanalysts now are paid a lot of money
to watch middle football club home andaway, and they will feedback and these
football clubs will deny you and stopyou playing. So you can have any
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formation under the sun. You couldhave three at the back and everybody attacking
the opposition. They're going to stopyou. They're gonna they're gonna look at
what more, and they're going toput their fastest defender on what more.
They're going to look at essay andthey're going to put another quick defender on
essay, so they're going to stopyou. It's what you do to try
and stop that. And I'll giveyou a great example. I was at
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the Huddersfield game last year. Allten eleven players behind the ball defended like
hell, nick to one nil.And have a guess what to a Bristol
City did on Saturday exactly the same, sit back, defend, try and
probe our weaknesses, try and counter. So there's an awful lot going on
talking about formations, but it's aboutplayers and making the right decisions at the
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right time for me. So everythingyou say one hundred percent of crew with
Ted, what do you think theyYeah, I've done the film sounding up
pretty well there without a doubt it. Listen, there's lots of things that
have changed in football that mean thatformations have changed or the game's changed.
Let's be honest about it. Imean a day of a four four two
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were playing on big, heavy pitchesmore often than nine in m days and
he was taking the pitch out ofthe game by kicking the ball long.
Now, I've got nothing against along ball, because I've said in the
past it doesn't bother me if it'sone or two passes to score a bowl
or if it's aged fifty two.At the end of the day, the
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point of the game is to scoreof color. So formations that you're playing
in, it all comes down tothe players. Himself. Jackie Charlton,
who was manager to Ireland at thetime, decided that his team would play
one way and one way only andand said to everybody else, this is
the strength of my team. Youcome and beat us. And a lot
of teams didn't Wimbledon in years goneby, as as we will probably remember.
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You know, they had a certainstyle which wasn't at the time sort
of seem to be right for Leagueone as it was in the old days.
Or but they coached and they menacebecause they was a team. So
let's feel quite rightly points out itall comes down to the players, and
had the players playing, it doesn'tmatter about the formation. You can have
four four two, you can havefive two three, you can have what
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you like. But if them playersare not playing on the day, it
doesn't matter about the formation. Youknow, it's too easy to blame the
formation, you know, you've gotto it all comes down to the players
at the end of the day wasagain, we know now it's a passing
game in these days, and italways used to be passing them, you
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know if you could. So it'sabout making space for yourself when you've got
the ball so you can receive it, and shutting that space down when your
position's got the ball. You know, it doesn't matter what the formation you're
playing, and if one side isdoing that better than the other, they're
going to be decide that's on top. So people could get hung up about
these formations and I don't I don'talways agree with that. At the end
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of the day, Gary Row itspends more time with them players than any
of us do. We see himon a Saturday, and he should be
able to. And you don't justleave Gary out there to dry. There's
Adam Barrett, there's Paul Robinson floatingaround in there. They're a management team.
They decide what they think is thebest formation for the players that they've
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got in the way that they're playingor they're doing on the training ground.
And you know, like Phil said, in football these days, they're analyzed
from start to finish. My onecriticism MC Gary rat would be that sometimes
whatever formation we go out in itdon't seem to be working, and he
doesn't change the formation to try somethingdifferent. He sticks with the same formation
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and changes the players, and thatdoesn't always work. I think you as
a manager at this day and age, I think you have to be far
more flexible in your mind and you'rethinking you've got far more options sitting on
a bench. So forget about whatformation we're playing in. If we have
to change it to win the game, then change it. It's the best
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formation is the winning formation at theend of the day. You know that's
the way. Sorry mate, yousaid something about the pitches. You know
you played play in the seventies andeighties and you went Route one because you
couldn't put five or six passes togetherbefore it didn't bobble over your chin or
your need. And you mentioned againwinwood And there were clubs around like Cambridge,
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Blackpool, Watford under Graham Taylor andwin Wooden where there was an old
saying amongst us defenders, we're goingto put our ten elmets on the day
because you knew Dune well what wascoming Watford bang it was up to a
six foot nine striker or an Olympicssprinter in Luther Blissit and loss Jenkins,
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you know, and win woulden.It was just the defenders booted it into
the area. The throe when inthe area, the free kick when in
the area. Everything was an aerialbombardment. At in the end, you
ether defended it for the whole game. It was incessant, didn't need any
passes because it was damned defective.And they fed off a knockdown, or
they fed off a missheader or somethinghappened. They created pressure. Nowadays,
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the pitches are like absolute bowling greens. The then pitch is a bowling green.
It's a paradise to play on.So teams over the years have adapted
from mud and route one and atwo giants center forwards Los Jenkins live for
bliss It, one quick one,one really tall one. They've adapted and
now we've got most teams passed theball in League two. They passed the
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ball in the Champion. In thenon league they're still trying to pass out
the back. Believe it or not, the whole game has modified. The
pitches are so much better. You'vegot teams non league teams, they've got
all weather pitches now, even inthe National League. They've got all weather
pitches. Mason had an all weatherpitch, so the surfaces are better.
It allows you to play a bitmore football. But ultimately, whatever position,
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whatever tactics, the players have topass to each other, and the
players have to make decisions to crossor shoot, or to jockey or to
tackle. So you can have anyanything you like. You can have Listen
if you're that good and you're thattalented, and you've got a fantastic football
brain. Your main city because youplay two defenders and eight attackers because that's
what they do that they rely onit. But they all know their jobs
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and they all fall back into anorganized defense. So look, have a
look at Liverpool. They play fourat the back. AR saw Chelsea cutting
apart last night at times, sotherefore needs to be looked at. I
saw mad City they played two atthe back, three in midfield and five
in the penalty era. But they'rethat good at keeping possession. The two
are unemployed basically, but when theylose the ball, Man City, they're
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all back and they funnel back intowhatever shape they do then they press the
ball. So football we get hungup on this this shape, and we've
got to have this organization everything else. If you're keeping position, you're creating
chances. Who cares about shape,it's not important Joan about at rest Wine.
The goalkeepers have come into it withtheir kicking because at the end of
the day, you're in your day, you would have dreamt theyre trying to
pass back to the key because theball probably would have made it in the
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mud, whereas into a goal.Yeah, well, I mean it's true
though, and that's why they haveto be better with their feet in this
day and age, because they arean option with a pass. More often
than not, they're to spare men, so they have to be able to
look after the ball. But it'speople keep doing a wrong idea of saying
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it was down to the back passor it's not a back pass for all.
It's the pitches that we're playing onnow, because if you see like
Man City and that they when they'vegot the ball, the goalkeeper becomes another
player. He actually is in aplan and they will use him like that
because he becomes a spare player Mozin time. So the technical ability of
these players they can control and passin such type positions. You know they're
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playing keeper in my dates. Ithink it's called a rondo now, but
they can pass and move and getout of such type positions. They suck
defenders and midfield players in then theyswitch it and they are so technically gifted.
They have great brain awareness, soit's it's far higher than twenty or
thirty years ago. So their technicalability, their awareness on the pitch,
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the decision making. The top playersare in there for a reason at the
top end of the Premier League,but at the end of the day,
the pitch is the technical ability,the decision making. Forget the formations.
That's something you probably look at ona Sunday, but you know, when
I see Man City, they arethe epitome or fluent changing positions, changing
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john Stone's stepped in in the middleof the parties, a center back they
leave to at the back. It'sall fluid. They go forward in numbers
and they'll get back in numbers.That's all you've got to do. Just
keep possession, great goals. Simplesimple is that feel as simple as that's
very simple? Talking about defensive linethen, as we have been for quite
a while, whether it's free four, but going around it during pre season,
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the first game of the season wellall season now against Breading and against
Bristol City paid with five at theback with two wingbacks. Some a all
fans saying he's making a mistake bydoing that, but actually he has got
the season off well. He didget the season off to a good start
with three points. Well, obviouslythe last couple of games haven't gone to
plan. How do you feel aboutthat too? Well, look, that
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was a fantastic victory against Middlesborough,There's no two ways about that. They're
a good sign was Borrow and they'renever never an easy place to go to.
So they get all three points up. There was a fantastic start.
The Redding game. I tend tocross off a little bit like Gary rawit
as it, you know, Ithink it's a sort of game if you
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look at the results that championship sidesget in that first round of a Carabell
Cup, it's a game that noneof them really want to play. But
coming back to Saturday, I'm notso sure that there wasn't a reaction within
players because I've got to tell you, Miles, I had a lump in
my throat and a tear in myeye, and I'm not one that very
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often shows these emotions. But withthe John Belson thing before the kickoff there
I was, you know, feelingit. Yet these players knowing far better
than me. And I'm not makingthis as an excuse for the guys in
the way that they played, becausethey didn't. They didn't play particularly well.
But having said all, I thinkPhiler agreed. There's a very thin
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line in football where you can betrying to odd and nothing happens, where
you're sort of quite relaxed and thingshappen naturally or you know, for whatever
reason. I mean, I seeDanny McNamara made two mistakes like where he
looked like he had to hold inhis thought and them sort of things don't
normally happen, so it's not anexcuse. I think there may be reasons
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why the performance wasn't as good asit could have been on Saturday. Plus
you've got to give Bristol City alittle bit of credit. Although I didn't
think they'd done a lot and mymate said to me at half time they
was the better side. All theywas better at was keeping the bowl.
It didn't really create anything. Butagain the formation, it's too easier cop
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out when when things don't go wellto blame it on a formation and things
like that. It's it's not aboutthe formation, it's about how the players
played, and they didn't play particularlywell on Saturday, which doesn't mean that
they're going to be like that comenext week against the knowledge. But I
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just think we're getting too hung upon formations and whatever. And I still
think if you look at our squadthat I don't think Gary rats getting it
that wrong with the formation that hestarted, because I think it's probably the
best that we can As Phil Iknow who likes to mention our center half
being a center half himself, andhe has a point that unfortunately we do
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need a bit of protection around him, and I think that's why he goes
with a free But listen, itis what it is at the moment,
and I think he's going to stickwith it for next week and he's got
plenty of options to come off thebench to change things and whatever. That
was the one thing on Saturday Ithought was wrong. It seemed to take
his time in bringing the young boyson. I'd give him twenty minutes instead
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of ten. But listen, itwas a game that really had Neil Neil
written all over it. Didn't it, and so I wouldn't you know,
You've got one game that was reallygood that we've won. One that's a
But that's the championship, isn't it. It's not many goals difference in any
game in the Championship. You don'tsee maybe three nils, four nils,
anything like that going on. It'snormally one goal either way. So unfortunately
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we was on the wrong ed ofit this Saturday. But onwards and upwards,
as they say, a long longwait ago, how about you,
Phil, I'll keep saying this tothe cows come home. This is the
strongest Level two league in the world. You've only got a look at that
league and you will see Watford Leads, Southampton, Leicester, West Brobige Albion
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pedigree, clubs with lots of money, great crowds. Ipswich twenty six thirty
thousand just come up from the leaguebelow. So this league is tough and
there are not one easy game.Everyone at the bottom fighting for their lives,
everyone at the top once a playoffspot, everyone in the middle is
trying to get there or trying toavoid being dumped down there. So all
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forty six games are going to betough no matter what, and teams are
going to come that are den andthey're going to make it really hard to
break down. And then you geta Saturday as an accumulation for me of
the day the on Mars to JB. You've got the game itself, the
expectations of a full house Bristol comingthere. Tight. They've done their homework,
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they've done the analysts, they've analyzedthe mill, they know the streets
and areas to attack. And forme, sometimes I've gone out and I've
worked so hard and I've got nowhere. Other times I've gone out there relaxed
and it's all flowed. So yeah, they're professional footballers, but sometimes the
pressure gets to you. If theyhadn't scored in the ninetieth minute, we
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would be sitting here talking about fourpoints from the first two games and one
almighty tough away game at Millsborough,and I doubt anybody would be talking about
formations. But okay, I'll posethis to people. Everybody wants to play
four four two, So pick twocenter backs to play at the back for
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us. Picked a two out andout center backs, who would you go
with, because I'll guarantee you theywould be exposed. In this league,
two center backs will be exposed.You would need an outstanding center midfield player
to sit in front of them.You would need outstanding fullbacks to cover both
of them, because whoever you pickedone of them, at least one of
them is going to get done forpace because most opposition are turning up with
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really quick strikers, and if they'renot quick physically, they're quick mentally.
They dart across you at the lastminute from a corner, or they just
open up their body and bend itin the far corner from twenty yards really
quickly, and you can't close themdown. So by putting three in now
it probably gives us more protection.But when you look at the accumulation of
a game of football, no gameis the same, and certainly home games
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from millll teams are turning up HuddersfieldBristol, they keep it tight and they're
going to nick a one nil.For me, that's going to be the
norm for the rest of the seasonbecause our home record buying large has been
great. I know one or twofans are producing stats of six losses in
the last few home games or whateveris. But for Evan's like we were
in with a chance of the playoffslast year by a point or two,
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and now we're asking for Garrett Routeto be sacked and throw the tactics book
up in the year and bringing fourfour to listen. This is a long
old season. There's forty four gamesleft, nobody's promoted and relegated in August,
and we will win games and wewill lose games. But for me
it's three points from two and itcould have been a bit better. But
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yeah, expects teams to turn upwith the den and be as tight as
as they can be and try nickpoints on the breakaway. Yep, how
hundred p sevent agree there, We'lltake a break there. And here from
Bethany Warren talking about the mill WillCommune. The Millwall Community Trust something that
I, Bethany Warren admire for allthat it does. The Trust was established
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in nineteen eighty five works to providesporting, education, social and healthy lifestyle
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Its work is targeted at people ofall ages, irrespective of race,
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life crime, lack of employment,opportunities for young people, mental health
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Millll Community dot org dot UK.I'll say that again. Email commercial at
Millll Community dot org dot UK.Please help if you can. I'm your
host, Miles Daunton and with meI have the normal Actus Talk team of
Ted Robertson and Phil Coleman. Sothen we're coming to the end of our
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first monthly show of the season.But let's talk about shirt prices. As
a child, children would want thekit that the players playing because they will
be wearing the same kit that theirhero is playing. Make them feel great,
right, Well, it's fifty threepounds for a child's shirt with the
shorts and socks. It makes iteighty eight pounds for a children's kit if
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you have two or three children.That's really expensive in the time that we
in in this cost of living crisis. An adult's shirt is also fifty nine
pound and that doesn't include printing,which is an extra fifteen pound. We're
currently going through, as I said, a cost of living crisis with many
people struggling for money right now.Is this too much to be charging for
a shirt kit? And looking atother clubs websites in our league, the
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likes of middles for for example,an adult home shirt is still fifty two
pound and the child's home shirt isstill quite expensive at forty four pounds.
What do you think, Phil,Are these prices too expensive? Yes?
Two expensivees? Yeah, simple asthat I could finish there. But I
think clubs are relying on the motionof fans to buy the shirt, the
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loyalty, the tribalism. I've gotmy shirt and I'll wear it on match
days. Time will tell for meif those prices actually cut it, because
you can have low costs and highsales, or you can have a high
cost and low sales. So Idon't know how it led up end up
at the end of the season.But if I'm going to buy my sons
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or grandson's at mill or kit,it's eighty eight pounds fifty three pounds for
a kid shirt. Eighty eight pounds. You know that's that's a heck of
a Christmas present, particularly in thecurrent climate. I get it why,
you know, the cost of transportationand printing and and all those costs.
All the costs have gone up.But for me, that's too expensive.
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But I'll tell you little story.At Wrexham, I think they sold forty
two thousand shirts last year. Yeah, they're averaging ten thousand crowds in the
National League. But because of theowners and the fairy tale story that they're
on, they sold forty two thousandshirts. So shirts can be a massive
income for a club. But I'llbe interested to know if this is too
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much and we don't actually make toomuch at the end of the season,
but yeah, too expensive. Fiftythree pounds and eighty eight that's a lot
of money, particularly for the traditionalfan that saves up for their season tickets,
you know, and it's their life. You know, you're asking even
more from those paying public members ofpublic. Yeah, exactly, Ted,
what do you think? Well withfour grains Jildren to our first of all
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is christ I need to do somemore overtime, I think. But I
don't know how they get fifty threepound for a kid's shirt and it's only
fifty nine for an adult shirt.I mean it's only six pound difference.
It's that to me, he's abit bit sort of criminal, you know.
And as you say, we've actuallymy daughter even phone me at the
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other day and her favorite colors orange. So what a mill will do come
and bring a third kit out inorange. So it looks like at some
point this season I'll be taking mytwo youngest grand children there. My eldest
too are already season to get holders, but my youngest too, which means
my daughter a come and it saysshe's going to want an orange shirt to
come along. So it gets itis, in my opinion, a little
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bit of scene because what they doplay on and feel it now and near
to a certain extent, now thatit's the law of fans that football clubs
play on at times, they knowthat we're going to be doing what we
can to buy a shirt that ourheroes playing. As you quite rightly say,
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every kid will want that. Iknow my grandchildren will want that.
And yeah, it's it's expensive,and I'd like to see the breakdown of
it or how much profit the millwill actually make out of the shirts.
You know they are they be Ingredyin that respect, or is it the
the manufacturers that you know. I'vegot to be honest. All have had
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problems for years, going back yearswhen I was on the supporters Club committee
and I remember one year with AndyAmbler before Steve Gabner telling us that the
delivery was on a boat from Chinaand I don't think it's going to get
here before the kickoff, And weseem to have the same sort of thing
this year has happened again, likeactually, that's all about what happened last
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year, because we're talking about Christmasand getting shirts at Christmas. Mill must
have lost a bit of money atthe last season because the cupboard was bit,
wasn't it because of what happened withwas it Maccron? Was it Maccron
we had I can't remember that wehave Hummel Humble, sorry not Macron Humble.
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You're right, Miles, you knowso. Yet football clubs do want
as much money as they can get, especially football clubs like mill Wall,
and I fully understand that, butI think, like Phil mentioned there,
eighty eight pound for the kids kitis a bit steep without any shadow that
was doubt. Yeah, well that'sit now until the September monthly show.
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Thank you for coming on, PhilNo problems, absolutely loved it greatly talk
football and thank you for coming onTed my pleasure. Marles really enjoyed it
as always, and thank you verymuch to those listening on our first monthly
show of the twenty twenty three twentyfourth season. Our next show will be
our weekly, the Weekly Mill FansShow, hosted by Amon Barkley, with
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a panel of Jeff Burnage, DebbieJulian's and myself. Until next time,
keep it safe on the street,out there comedy lines,
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