March 8, 2024 • 38 mins
This week, it's my conversation with Crash Midnight singer Shaun Soho, about the band's latest single "Strung Out On Sunset", playing shows all around Vegas in 2024, how 80s era rock stars see themselves now, getting the band into the studio and more! More about Crash Midnight:
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Nobodies awesome buddies. Hey is ChadVice still on vacation in New Brunswick,
the Atlantic Provinces of Canada, Andyou're about to listen to my conversation with
Sean Soho, lead singer behind theband Crash Midnight, relocated to Vegas from
the Massachusetts area, and they're makingbig noise in Vegas and you better be
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checking them out on the strip.Get wild, get wicked. Get ready
listen to my conversation with Sean rightnow. Hey, Chad, how you
doing not bad? Sean? Canyou hear me? I got you,
and it's good to talk to you. It's been a minute, yeah,
and that would have been crazy busyhere. But well I can't wait to
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hear about it because I think thelast time I talked to you, it
was when you're about to do theRackavoca thing with de Snyder, the thing
in Vegas there that was the showcoming up. I think it was last
Was it already like a year ago? Last January? Was that? When
it was? It couldn't have beenlong ago enough. That was a complete
mess. But yeah, oh god, if it was a little bit ago,
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oh well, that's since that's wherewe left off. I don't think
he had even done the show atthat point. Uh, what happened to
you? Kara? Talk about it? What went down that night? Yeah,
I mean it was it was justI think everybody had the best of
attentions, but a lot of alot of people's managers over and flated people's
work, and we were basically askedto rescue a knight that they were upside
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down on and for the amount ofmoney they were paying certain people to be
there, it was pretty ridiculous askfor us to bring the entire party.
But that's kind of that, that'skind of something that we've dealt with a
fair amount with with those It's notI mean so much the artists all the
time. A lot of times managerand I don't even know they know what's
being said between you know, theirrepresentation. But a lot of those era
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guys have the management that that wildlyover inflates what they're bringing to the table
and then tries to to, youknow, sell bands like us that you
know, hey, you know youguys bring everybody, will pay them a
whole bunch. Yeah, that's justwe're not We're not doing this it ever.
Again, was it just people likeit didn't like no one really showed
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up or was it just what likewhat happened exactly? Well, pretty my
ticket sales were they were definitely undereighty It might have been under fifty at
the time when they decided that wewere going to need to we're going to
need to support the show like wewere headlining, but they wanted us to
go on first, and that waskind of the last straw with those people.
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Yeah, I guess. So howbig was what venue was that out?
How big was it? Do youknow? Do you remember it was
hard Rock Live on the on theStrip, so at the new hotel that's
opening World Barrages. But yeah,hard Rock Live on the on the Strip
is the one that's kind of rightacross from sort of bread across from New
York, New York. Okay,I think I know which one you're talking
about. Big room. Yeah,that's a big place and all that,
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all this stuff hind the bar.It's like eight hundred plus at least.
Wow, would have been a verysparse uh, the Snyder Party if we
hadn't jumped in and actually our goodfriend Brendon Hans On ninety two to three
pop out Here Rock Station. Ifwe hadn't got a banded together, and
you know, made a last ditcheffort to make this thing happen. There
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we've we've been playing a coffee out, yeah, which is nice for us
sometimes to think of like an intimatevenue just doing a nice, little,
stripped down show. But it wassupposed to be a full on rock show
with a bunch of loud, screamingpeople. And if that wasn't the case,
it's kind of a downer to saythe least. Yeah, Like I
said, I mean we you know, we played with really great bands out
here from that era, like Teslais awesome. They were amazing to us,
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La Guns amazing to us, andthe loses helping us slote in.
You know, ow kind of attitudethat some of these guys happened. It's
fantastic. And you got some ofthe guys that they could still like nineteen
eighty seven, you know, andthey're management certainly does. And it's just
we we had a new single outthat wasn't original about this, but it
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sort of retroactive. We became Iwas kind of just being burned out on
that old Sunset strip, see Iguess out here, Well that kind of
what that back of Boston. Therewas none of that back of Boss No.
I can imagine that Jerome maybe cameto one of our shows back there,
but that was that was about theextent of anything from that era.
And move out here. It's justlike the eighties threw up out here,
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and you know, they're cool band. You know, I remember listening to
him when I was a little kid. You know, those are the big
boys. But you know, atsome point you've got to have a reality
check of what your draw is andyou know, ask for something that's commensurate
with that. Yeah, yeah,absolutely, I think we know here you're
talking about. Of course, deSnyder was part of that, and of
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course part of Twist's sister, andhe was doing this on his own without
the band and trying to launch theRockavoka thing, which I've never heard of
since. I didn't hear about itbefore. I haven't heard much about it
since, so I can kind ofimagine where that went or didn't go.
We haven't really heard from them sinceeither. Yeah, you know, that's
it's tough at a company. Imean, I don't want to give them
too much shit for you know,anybody trying to start a company's pretty tough,
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especially you know now with Pointe economythat but yeah, it was nothing
was run very well on that.It's you know, again he's got a
big mouth in the press, soI don't feel too bad, you know,
exploiting some of that stuff. ButI don't think any of this had
to do with d I think itwas all you know, the representation,
trying to oversell and over inflate youknow what he was bringing to the table.
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Yeah. Fortunately especially and you know, give him a little credit too,
Like this was in Des Moines,Iowa. That would be one thing
because there's there's not a lot ofthis. I mean, but you spit
any night in the week here andyou're going to hit five ten guys and
you know, different venues that havehad a cup of coffee with White Snake
or you know, used to knowsomebody in rat or or you know Big
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Lebolki, you know, rooting onMetallica speed the Salad Tour. You know,
it's it's you have the same caschetout here. There's there's a million
a million of those kind of peopleplaying a band, supergroups and that kind
of stuff were out here. Soit just doesn't move the needle, especially
when you got like Bruno Mars playingright across the street. Oh yeah,
there's a million things over there.It's Vegas and this is the strip.
I mean, there's so much goingon and you can't even there's no way
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you can see it all in onesecond, one day, like you would
need millions of days to be therejust to experience it all. There's there's
there's so much competition, there's somuch happening. People cancel shows because there's
too much going on around it.They just can't make it work and make
it make it happen too. Sothat's really true. It's it's and that's
something that we're actually working on rightnow with We've got a very good friend,
Na's great who is one of theowners of the sand Dollar here in
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Las Vegas. Sandel's the oldest diebars out here just about it. It's
a much bigger venue, uh youknow, five hundred plus cap on it
and you opened that down in thePlaza Hotel. And we also started working
with Gooch from from a ninety twothree comp out here at the Rock Station
and we kind of put together something. There's a there's a need, there's
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a lot of bands just skip thecity for that exact reason that any given
night, you know, let's sayyou're you're a hard rock sort of band,
and we'll shoot Arrowsmith just announce itsresidency. They've been playing all week,
and your ticket sales just went fromsix hundred down to two hundreds.
It's really tough to predict that stuff, and so a lot of a lot
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of the band just skipt down.So we're going to start doing as you're
putting some offers out to a lotof them pretty cool bands, some of
the band and we toured with someof the bands that are just you know,
represented by other people we have connectionswith, and we're going to kind
of come out and will be essentiallythe house band at these at this venue.
We actually get paid like it too, So that's so we don't have
a bitch anymore what happened with thewhole art rock thing. But yeah,
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it's basically what we'll do is willbe the direct support band there. But
I'll ensure that every night can sellit, so it doesn't matter. You
know, it's say, yeah,it's only a five hundred cap place,
so we're to be you know,targeting those kind of mid level bands that
can that can bring anywhere from threeto five hundred, and no matter what,
we'll make up the difference. Yeah, our shows, I mean we
were headline Brookelyn Ball that was probablythe biggest strong one that was definitely a
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bigges strong one was over six hundredand brought in there, although it's still
felt empty's help that place over twentythree hundred. So we did to do
that again. Yeah, and we'vegot a you know, I mean we're
pretty good for anywhere between two hundredand four hundred do you know any given
night. That definitely helps us.And then we get to play more often
because you know, we were onlygood for that if we don't overplay and
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if we can, you know,do a deal where we got these other
bands coming in, you can supportthem, make sure they have a good
night. Comp's getting involved. Theyhave a lot of visibility on that.
You know, it's it's just it'sa big win for everybody. Helps the
radio station really plug into the lifebloodof the Rocks and you out here again.
That's an important thing now that there'sso many choices on what to listen
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to iTunes or Apple Music whatever it'scalled now, Spotify and all that and
to get in the car. Youknow, what does radio have that that
you can you know, they canearn your attention, and it's it's actually
having to figure out the pulsive stuffout here where we can discover new bandage,
discover cool stuff, and then youget to know the DJs. Yeah.
Absolutely, it's tough, and likeI said too earlier with people trying
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to bookshows. Even Kiss tried todo a residency there at one point and
had to cancel it because there justwas as even Jean said, there's just
too much going on. So Imean, if Kiss has to cancel something
like that, as big as theyare or were, I mean, you
know how much that you know whatthe competition is like out in Vegas on
the strip, it's it's it's insane, it is you really got to earn
a fan base out here. ButI will say I enjoy earning a fan
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base here in Vegas much more thanBoston because Boston was a whole nother animal.
And I always say this is nothingagainst Boston, but it's we bust
in a lot of kids into Bostonand they're all college kids and you only
got four years fortunately for you know, bands a lot of those venues were
twenty one plus. Now you onlyhave them for like the tail under their
junior year and then their senior year. Yes, and almost earned move off,
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go off to wherever in the countryor the world they're going to go
work, and you start back fromscratching. It a nice thing about vag
as big of a reputation that ithas as a transient town. We've had
more people who are you diehard local, you know, people that have been
here since we moved out here,and once you become you know, tight
with them and their fans for life. So I found that we made a
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lot more headway, or at leastwe had less attritions about yeah, you
know, working out here than weget in Boston. Is the drinking age
is it legal age? Is ityounger there in Vegas? Or is it
still twenty one across like across theboard across the country. No, it's
still twenty one. But the dealis is this isn't really a college town,
right, so what you end upyou're not really reliant on that same
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market as you are in Boston.Yeah, Boston is a small town,
so it is you know, Vegas, but Boston is populated heavily by a
lot of college teams. Many ofpop are are too young to get into
a lot of those shows. Yeah, so out here, pretty much all
our shows are twenty one plus.But it doesn't matter because we have a
time of twenty one plus fans outhere that still living year after they you
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know, after we meet them,instead of moving off that they graduate.
Yeah, it's usually a place thatpeople will stay well, especially if they
want to make It depends on whatthey're doing, if they want to make
a living. Whereas, like yousaid, Boston, people kind of go
to it and then they move onto their lives, whether it be across
the country or somewhere around the world. Like you said, so you got
a lot more people sticking around andlike you said, coming back and being
recurring fans, and also bringing innew people as well too as they migrate
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to the Strip too, as theycome to Vegas too, So that all
works out very well. Yeah,And I mean where you know, Boston's
definitely gone much more of that hipsterydirection was definitely not that type of band,
But Vegas suits us very well.Yeah, I would say so too.
Speaking of Vegas, I think Italked to another guy that. I
think you you played with his bandrock San. I think opening for Last
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in Line when they did a showout there as well too was that wasn't
the same one as the Rock Evoka, but that happened I guess sometime last
year as well too. Did youdo you remember that show how that went
down? Yeah? That was adifferent Giper one that was a lot better.
The last nine people will hole.You know. The problem is is
now hard rock because the competition haspretty much moved into a showcase type of
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venue. So they've got what theycall it so rating the rock bolts.
I think, yeah, he's takingup all their Fridays and Saturdays, and
that makes it really tough of anybooky agent to bring in touring acts because
if all your premium games are gone, then you know, there's not a
ton of acts that really want toplan on a Tuesday here in Vegas.
So that's it's kind of it's it'sreally too bad because the the sound of
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lights, everything, the production,all the people that work hard rock are
fantastic. It's just you know,they've kind of gone in that direction,
and you know, more power tothem. I think they're actually bringing on
Emo Night or something too. It'skind of going generational where you like,
they get a little you know,too far out to come in every night,
and now that you got the nextone, they're trying to bring in.
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But hopefully the you knows, asthe hard Rock Hotel takes over the
Mirage here, there'll be some moreopportunities to tour with hard rock. That
was our first show we played outhere was the hard Rock Hostel casino that
then turned into Virgin out Here,So it's going to be nice to have
a hard rock back here. That'sthe first show you guys played when you
first came from Boston out to Vegas. Yep, the first show we played
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in Vegas. He was at alittle venue called Final. Yeah. I
remember when we first talked, myfirst kind of connected with you. I
remember thinking that you were actually aVegas like you were from Vegas from Nevada.
I thought you were actually from there. In surprise me that you were
from from Boston and the Massachusetts areatoo, and that you just kind of
came there to kind of follow yourfollow the career path. So it's kind
of how long have you been outthere now in Vegas? Then? See
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moved from Boston I think nine yearsnow. I mean it's kind of forget
sometimes there's the sports teams that I'mfrom Boston. You know, we've been
out here and established her so long. We really do feel like Vegas is
their home, and you know,we're a Vegas band at this point.
Yeah, but you know, wedefinitely still play you know, a bunch
of the songs off the debut albumless than we used to, but uh,
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it's very much like two eras tobad, and I think we still
do draw from a lot of theexperiences that we had and were you know,
younger and cutting our teeth in Boston, which is kind of nice because
we well, I don't know ifit was it was nice for our our
criminal records, but we h,we definitely got into enough things that uh,
you know, got us gave usenough material to draw on for a
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long time. So you know,no matter where we go in life is
as we get get a little fartherand more comfortable and stuff, we're not
gonna turn into the guys you knowthinking about lawyers and you know, investment
portfolios of crap like that. Yeah, a lot of it as dads,
as you should get a little bitmore money, and more comfortability to lose
some of the hunger and ship.We've got enough stuff to draw on.
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We've got about five more albums tomake with all the all the stuff that
we had back there. Nice.Now, I see why you moved away
then, So it wasn't just tofollow your dreams for rock and roll as
it was to get away from theUH, to change your lifestyle, change
your habits, change your old ways. That's another good reason. It's good.
Hey, it makes for a goodsong, makes for a good backstory
for the Pan too. We're probablythe only only band to move out to
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Vegas to get clean. So yeah, we go completely clean, but we've
significantly cleaned up a lot to soexactly, you're really batten down the hatches.
You've really uh, you tightened thingsup and moving to Vegas really helped
that. That's a cool backstory.It's good. It's good. It's good
to mention that. Yeah, Vegasprovided us well very wholesome environments are real
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good to hear. Vegas more wholesomethan you might imagine. There, Vegas.
Take it from Sean, take itfrom Crash Midnight. Vegas will make
your dreams get true and it'll cleanup your life too. It's nothing but
positives, do you uh? Youmentioned of course obviously you player on Vegas
a lot. There's so much todo, you playing the Dollar Sound Club
everywhere like that and the hard rock. But have you guys toured much nationally
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since since the last time we spoke, are at all? No? No,
we haven't. I mean everything isgoing up so much that actually we
have a bunch of friends and inother bands that were doing similar tour routing
that we would have, and they'relike, we're hanging it up. It's
just the the expenses are not worthit. And you know, no matter
what people want to gaslight to youabout the way the economy is right now,
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people aren't coming out the way theyused to. They seem to out
here, But I think that's alsobecause and given you know, because it
is it's a tourist Yeah, touristdestination. People are flying all the time
to come to our shows. Getthat fresh blood. Plus you're your local
fans and hell, I mean it'salmost like touring because if you're going to
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tour and go playing for a youknow, two hundred people somewhere in the
Midwest, you know, probably getdamn near that plan out here, Yeah,
traveling sleeping some strange bed or whatever. So we've we've kind of been
keeping this and out and that wasthe other reason behind you know, the
series that we're putting together with withcop and UH and the sand Dollar at
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the Plaza is you know that's that'sgoing to not only be as good as
our headline shows up for getting peopleto you know, fly in or travel
in to come watch us, butit's also going to be all those fans
from whatever band we're joining up withthe play on that. So for us,
that's you know, their fans willbe unique coming in to see them.
Hey, that's going to be anothertwo or three hundred people that see
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us. We're shooting for every otherweek to get this thing lined up.
So it's like we're talking very consistentyou know, playing to us, that's
as good as a tour. Yeah, making way more money and losing a
lot less you know money on travelexpenses and all that stuff. Yeah,
for sure, because it costs somuch money to obviously get the equipment,
get a van, get a bus, get out there, travel across Hope
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the turnout is good at each city, each state that you go to So
this is definitely, like you said, like a mini tour with having to
leave your backyard basically, so itreally helps I'm sure costs wise, and
you know, obviously more money inyour pocket, you can play to more
people, and it's a tourist destination. Everybody's coming there, so let them
all come to you instead of yougoing to them. Let everybody come to
you. It's smart. It's agood idea, yeah, and it it
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frees us up to record a lotmore too, because we're we're essentially like
in a studio lockout in perpetuity becausewe're you know, you've got a great
relationship with the High Out Recording Studioand by the Turcos and record everybody from
five years. You know, itwas a little wing was in there last
week. Usher was doing his SuperBowl stuff there, was getting ready for
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his Have Time performance. There,very diverse, it's an amazing studio.
I don't even have to get onthe Highway to get there at seven minute
driven. So basically what we dois we use one of the best engineers
as our co producer and we goin there and we can chip away in
songs like you used to be ableto do back in the seventies or eat
and sixties or whatever, where youknow you'd have a studio locked out for
a year. Well, we don'treally need to lock it out because you
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don't have to save stuff on thebig board. You know, you've got
everything in the box of the computer. So you know, if I have
an idea, hey, I wantto change this, first, I just
call up our boy, Trusting Hardenhere and you know we find the time.
I go in and try something new. And then you know, if
we decide we want to switch outa drunk part, whatever it is,
it's all these songs can kind ofbe fluxed and it allows us to have
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multiple songs in air quotes on theboard time. You know, let's just
produce stuff the way that very fewbands get to do these days, because
you either have to have a tonof money or you got to be you
know, insane in the studio.Because a lot of these bands, when
we get a week to do something, or even like a long weekend,
you got to go record a wholealbum. You never have to do that.
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We just chip away a couple ofsongs or three or four songs we
can as we go and which everyone'sready first, there's the next single on
Off It Goes, And if wewere on tour, we wouldn't really be
able to do that because you won'tbe able to get back into the studio
to make that stuff happen. Infact, my voice is kind of fading
right now because I just finished recordinga new demo for another song. Will
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work out here, I am.We did everything I could today before I
got on this call, So thenext So the next song doesn't sound so
good you sound If Sean sounds alittle bit off, they can blame me.
They can blame this conversation. Iruined your voice for the whole thing.
I won't keep you forever sucks becauseof chad vice, But at least
i'll get famous for that evaluated.Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be a
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fun one though. It's kind oflike I keep describing, like Radar Love.
It's like Vanishing Points doing kind ofone of those getaway songs. That's
the new one you're recording we're workingon. Yeah, that's a lot we're
working on right now. No,I can't wait to check that one out.
Speaking of what what you've been workingon. So I won't keep you
forever like I said, but Iwant to talk about the I guess it's
your latest song that I just discoverednot too long ago, but it's been
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out since I well, last month, I think is when it dropped strung
out on Sunset, which is whatyou alluded to earlier when we were talking
about expectations or lack thereof of thingsthat happened on the strip or people's importance
from back in the day. Sobasically I was going to talk to you
about what the inspiration was and whereit all came from. But I guess
that's kind of it. So talkto me about how it all came together.
And I love it. Man,your voice on that when it's a
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slow burner, the guitar, justthe soul just blazes right through in the
middle of it, like it's justa It's a different sounding song for you
guys, I think from what I'veheard from from you before, but this
is just a different animal. Ilove it. So and talk to me
a bit about how it came togetherand if you think it came out the
way you wanted it to. Thanksman. Yeah, it's you know,
we definitely we have a couple ofthese songs that we're done during the pandemic,
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we were doing a lot of thoselike covid uh separated shows or whatever,
so it was more of a coffeehouse table environment. We had a
whole bunch of things that we kindof lovingly referred to as like that,
the rolling Stonestead songs or whatever theywere, the strip songs, Yeah,
and this was one of them,and it ended up making it into our
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whole electric set relatively quickly once onceeverything came back alive out here and people
just loved it, and we reallytried to do what we did back in
the day in Boston because before,you know, before we got a record
deal out there, we played thehell out of those first twelve songs and
figured out what worked what didn't.There were a bunch of songs that ended
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up making it. They were probablyabout eighteen to twenty songs in any one
point when we were younger, andit was it was a great way to
evaluate the strength of a song whichplayed from there. But so we've really
been trying to do that with allthe new songs work on and Sunset probably
got the most run out of that, and we just had so many people
come up to us after the showasking us about that song. You know,
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does that that one out or isit? And we knew we really
want to do that one right,and it's it's a little different process because
you're right, we don't do manyof those kinds of songs. We have
a song called You're Gone that werereleased maybe two years ago that's a more
of that Ballady type of thing,a little less bluesy. But this is
a song that that we didn't reallywant to do to do and do right,
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and I feel like it came outpretty damn well. And it's it's
obviously it's when we do the rockanthem of the bangors just definitely want to
repeat at this point because we allknow the setting is what we want to
go in and guitar toes that kindof stuff. It's a little bit different
when you when you got to getstep to quiet down a little bit and
go that way. But yeah,I mean, I'm glad, I'm glad
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you like it. It was areal inspired you before I moved out and
a lot of these songs old.This one was inspired before we even moved
out from Boston, probably a yearbefore we did. I was out visiting
your buddy at Newport beach, andwe spent a couple of minutes in Hollywood.
I don't think I slept for millThere was at least one night that
I stay up all night. AndI remember on the second day of that
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that bang or whatever I do,I was trying to like chase the hangover
with coffee and I had some callcoming up with a manager or something like
you know, you get your youknow, working away up, you get
like all these calls from different people, and you're trying to evaluate whether or
not somebody want to get involved with. I was in a completely wrecked state
of mind, and I was saggeringout some place between that I can't remember
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what the hell the name of theplace was. Maybe it's not even Dare
anymore, but it was you werehaving like a late breakfast or something like
that someplace right between like you know, the roxy rainbow and the whiskey somewhere
in between that. And you know, I kind of like thought of his
own and that interesting idea like I'mstrung out on so I set or whatever.
Yeah, but I didn't really haveany idea of what the song was
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going to be about. And thenthere's you know, we did all our
cores and all that stuff. Ikind of thought that it's it's an interesting,
you know, thing to look at, like life after the curtain falls,
you know, where it's everybody thinkslike, oh man, it must
be so cool being in the band, and yeah, honestly, you're a
glorified truck driver for the majority ofa tour. Yeah, twenty two hours
on the road, it's yes,melancholy after yeah, yeah, I mean
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there were so many things, likewe we broke down on the side of
the road, like right next tomy fire ant nests. Nobody knew until
they were crawling up our leg.I got five naked guys on the side
of the road trying to figure outhow to get gas in the carts and
run out of gas. We didhave a gas egg, but unfortunately it's
uh it was like big gass Winnebagoand the gas fill upside was on the
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highway side, and we'd only gottenso far off the highway, so it
was like it was five or likefive or six more right when the big
trucks start going down, they're theonly ones on the road. We're trying
to fill that gas tag and runback before a truck flattens us because there's
no way to get underneath the wayto bag. It's like it's too over
the ground to get a duck underneath. You're just screwed your windshield at that
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point. Wow. So just youknow, stuff like that and some other
things that went down, and that'swhat that song was about. But like
I said earlier, it's you're outhere and you deal with some of those
people trying to shine you on onall this you know stuff. Okay,
you know, you too, getthe privilege of going out and playing with
this band that you know it's justnot what they used to be, and
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you know it's a good deal.They're gonna get paid a ton and you're
gonna do this, like, youknow, for half your normal price,
but you get to play with them, Like okay, well that's just not
that might have been cool when weresixteen, but yeah, wow, the
bloom is off the roads. Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's too
bad because it did sound like Iremember when we talked, that was a
big thing, and obviously there's noreason not to think that at the time,
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but it was gonna be you know, it's gonna be a big deal.
And he does have a name that'sout there. But it just depends
on what you're doing. And maybeif it was a whole band, like
I said, it would have beensomething else. But it's just I mean,
the time, it sounded big andexciting, but then nothing ever came
of it, and that's the reasonwhy. So it's good to kind of
come full full circle on that andhear what happened. But it didn't affect
you guys anyway. I mean,you guys still have a draw, you
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guys still have a band. Youguys are still out there doing it.
There's still offers, there's still thingsfor you to do. So it's not
like, you know, it kindof tanked you. It just kind of
maybe opened his eyes and at leastyou got an opportunity to see what that's
like and say, Okay, wetried that, that didn't work. We're
gonna move on. We're gonna dosomething else. Yeah. I mean,
and now I think we're much moreattuned to when people have ulterior motives and
you know, just different motivations ingeneral. You know, they do a
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lot of people in that camp thatwere you know, motivated by other people
that were involved in the show,and they were trying to push all these
other people, but unfortunately none ofthese other people have any draw at least
out here. So you know,they're all trying to move their agenda and
we're kind of caught in the middle. Like they even see how this works
out for us guys, So wehave we pulled out of stuff. Now
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we're much faster to you know,if something starts going that way, we're
just like that it's not going tobe for us. Wish well and good
luck, but we're not getting involvedin that anymore. Well, it's it's
been good, you know, juststicking to your guns on that stuff.
Yeah. Absolutely, Just one lastquestion on that. Do you know how
they came in contact with you?Like, how do they find how they
find you? How they find yourband? Were they fans of it?
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Do they know? Do they askaround? How did how did you get
in contact? It's a good buddyof ours, who well, I still
do a lot of business with Yougot all kinds of placements, you know,
formula far racing, CBS, sportsboxing and and and that stuff.
And it was a uh, itwas I guess I don't know if it
was a business partner, just likea colleague or you know, friends with
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some sort of separation. They weretrying to break that buzz out here,
and he's like, well, Imean, you're going to want to make
sure that you've got somebody that canyou know, support the show out there.
And so then they got in touchwith us, and there was a
lot of you know, it's alwaysvery nice up front, and then all
of a sudden, when the rubberhits the road and you know, people
stopped falling through on what they saythey're going to do, then you know
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that's when that's what theys go alittle sideway. Yeah, kind of leave
it at that, but that's that'swhere it came to. It was never
really a d Snyder thing or ayou know, any other people. But
you know, I know the managementhad different relationships with other people involved in
the show, and I was tryingto push them to you know, be
the headliner. I was trying topush his other band that you know,
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nice guys, but you know,nobody's heard of them out here, and
was trying to push them into themiddle slot. I don't think it was
fine for us. We just gotto you know, set up, go
and then be done. Yeah,you don't have to hang around and over
them. Yeah, well left aroundthere by the time you went. Yeah,
So there was another band on theon the on the bill, right,
it wasn't just you, guys,it was it was you and then
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another band and then him. Isthat how it how it was kind of
shaped up? There were there weretwo other bands. The last band was
like it was a A C.D C cover band from out here,
but I guess the guitarists played inmaybe D's solo band I think I remember
right was something so concept was maybehe's not really allowed to put under the
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exorbitant amount of money that they weregiving him, I guess even more for
him back perform. God knows why. But you know, then the uh,
I guess like they wanted that bandto be the last band so they
could try to call it D upeven though I think they had already agreed
to do it. It was justlike when you listen to it, you're
like, guys, it just soundsreally ridiculous. So that's what I ended
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up happening with that. And thenthere was some other band from Long Island.
There were younger guys that I thinkthe manager for D had some sort
of relationship with and he was tryingto thrust them into you know, the
situation too, and that was justagain like that's not their fault, it's
you know, just mismanagement. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. It
all comes down to, Well youmove on from there, and like you
said, you're working on new music. Do you have a new album coming
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out or is it singles for now? How is it looking? How is
it shaping up? So we're stillgoing to keep doing singles, but I
am we've finished. I think Imight have told you last time we talked,
if I can't even remember that farback, but it was our game
plan is basically to release eight singlesand then wrap them all into an album
for a you know album release.And we've already finished the eight singles for
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that album. We've got a prettygood idea of like what the order is
going to be on the album.But the tough thing is I got to
find some time and dead to keepthe time to getting sitting down with our
co producer and and kind of gettinginto all field like they belong on the
same album. We're just going totake a remix, a late remix of
some of them. But the firsttwo there's a song called Chinatown and a
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song called Another Day in Hell thatwere two of the first songs recorded.
And We're out here. Yeah,that's a great song. That Hell was
great to where I think the lastsong is so last one, dead Ass.
I think the last song on thatalbum is gonna be dead Ass.
So that's the single was released justbefore Sunset. We kind of got a
bridge gap in there and make surethat they all feel like they're part of
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the same production. So there's gonnabe a lot of work done on the
on the first couple of songs,not so much on the last ones.
But we just got to find thetime to do that, and to be
honest, like motivationally, it's somuch more fun to record new stuff and
go back, and we has togo up. So it's kind of been,
you know, just yeah, we'llget to that in a few weeks
or whatever, but we do needto. This summer I think would probably
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be a good time for us tosit down and really work on that.
No, it's gonna be good.I'll be looking forward to that. Is
it going to be a physical releaseas well? Is it going to be
on CD? Vinyl? Eight track? All that good? Stuff or is
it just going to be digital.I really want to release all of our
stuff on vinyl at some point,but apparently that's an entire remix on top
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of the original remix. So whatTristan and I were talking about is,
you know, as remixes this stuff, kind of getting a good idea of
what he would want to do fora vinyl release. But that's gonna be
a whole nother sit down and reagonizeover the same mate songs the third time.
Now, I got to get myselfin a place to do that,
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and I think, you know,the tough thing is that there's just been
so many starts and stops, likewe're e clipping along grade out here,
and then everything shut down, Andlike I said, then we started focusing
on a little bit more acoustic electricstuff because we were able to play some
of those you know, COVID distanceshows and it really didn't feel right,
you know, trying to go fullon out box show at them, so
we kind of developed a little bitmore of a laid back thing. And
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then as soon as those were kindof ready, and when we were actually
to recording some of those, andeverything opened back up and we're like oh
well, shit, and grab thatidea. We'll save that little tools to
play the harder stuff and tay theloads for a while. And then we
started working on you know this newstuff, and I've had, I've been
my life is for building a gigantocrazy house has just been a fucking nightmare
(33:07):
fire our old builders. And nowwe're just getting that back up having had
to deal with a whole bunch ofcreatiness on that. Are you building There's
been a lot of life that's beengoing on. Yeah, absolutely, are
you building a studio inside your house? At least you can do some a
little work there if you want to, or do you want to kind of
just totally get away from that.Yeah, So everybody kept asking me that,
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and honestly, it's just for acouple of reasons. Its number one,
like this this house is a reallygood investment. We're going to walk
you know, walking in the door. It's going to be you know,
a pretty good drop of the bucketfor like we tired it so we may
or may not have this as along term house. And I didn't want
to do anything that's so unique thatit would kind of, you know,
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preclude a potential buyer for wanting topick it up if we decide to go
in that direction. But you know, also, when you got one of
the best studios in the world sevenminutes out of the street, this house
isn't getting built much farther from otethat house releasing right now we build it.
Yeah, it's like anything that Iput in there isn't going to be
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even remotely close to to what Icould just drive down the street too.
So yeah, what's the what's outthe hideout? Yeah, that's what they
do best. Yeah, I'll justchill out of the house. Yeah.
No, that's a good plan.It's definitely a good idea. And like
you said that, you got thehideout right next door basically, so I
mean you've got the opportunity, whywouldn't you take that. I mean,
it's it's good, it's there.It sounds like you got a good work
environment at sure. It was likeback at Boston where I had to take
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up three and a half hour busride to get to New York City the
court, man, I would definitelyreconsider that. But for demos, man,
I mean, we just use youknow, sometimes it's like pro tool
thing or or even garage band,you know, I'll just do some demos
and stuff on that. Oh itis trying to figure out what we want
to do to install the song thatrehearsal. I'm that's plenty good enough.
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I'm not going to try to sitthere and keep up with the high outs
production in my own studio. Yeah, no, I get you. I
get you, uh, Sean.I appreciate you checking in and talking about
the new song. People can checkthat out. It's obviously it's on YouTube.
It's on mixed Cloud. I thinkI saw it there as well too,
on the Crash Midnight Facebook pages theretoo. Is there is there a
video for that song or is itjust a audio for now? We don't
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have a video for it. I'malmost saying this is l F Henri.
We have a We have a videothat's pretty much done for Dead Ass,
although I know it needs to belike colorized a couple of like the post
production things, but we can't evenfinish that. We're already like a daily
delition with everything we're doing here.But hopefully I can get that one for
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Dad Ass. And we do havea lot of footage for Strong on Sunset.
Not totally sure what we want todo for the tail end of it,
but you know there could be avideo coming out. I just can't
promise it. Yeah, I gottaget I get the one that's overdue done
first. Yeah. Absolute, Soyou got lots. So you're a busy
man, you got loss to do, You've got lots going on, and
you're obviously professional life, personal life, so you'd better get on it and
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make it happen. I'm gonna beplaying this song on Paradise City, of
course, in one of the comingup episodes. Of course, people can
check it out. And if Iget my ass to Vegas, hopefully sooner
than later, get everything updated andpassport wise, I can get down there
and finally catch a show and seewhat you're talking about and what other people
are talking about when it comes toCrash Midnight Live, because I'm assuming everyone
likes your songs, but the bestway to see the band is obviously live.
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A live shows always been heart Breadand Butter. I think that's what
sets us a part is really reallyemphasized. I got to be able to
play this live. I don't wantany track samples, all that kind of
stuff on it. Can't play alive It's not going on the record Yep,
there you go. That's amazing.And like you said earlier, which
I guess I kind of realized morenow too. With the with the strung
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out on Sunset song, it doessound like it could have been acoustic bass,
or it does sound like it didstart off acoustics, So I like.
I like how it kind of turnedaround. It's a more of a
it's got a more of a heaviervibe to it, like a bluesier sound.
But I could definitely see that beingplayed an acoustics show and like you
said, a coffeehouse, so Ican see where that all came together now,
And yeah, it's good. It'sit's versatile with that. So if
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we ever do get luck again,you played in both sides, or you're
too old to play it, youcan go back and you can do that,
do an eagle style and sit downwith some barstools and just sit there
in front of people and say,hey, remember when we used to play
this live, Well, here wego, and then you jump into it.
Yeah, as long as you doit live too, Yeah, and
do it live. Don't put inthose backing tracks that everybody uses right now,
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just keep it live, keep itreal. Yeah, that's it all.
All the guys in the banks cansing really well. Now that's actually
helped our live show a ton,knowing that we have that ship. The
last two shows I had, Igot two little kids and they are walking
future editions, so they get thesick without fail almost every week of every
show. So I had one whereI was like, oh shit, I
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don't know if laid all this stufffor the first half of the show until
I kind of sung it out.Those boys were covering a lot of stuff
for me. So it's great havingthat that as a you know, it's
I guess like a it's a crutchor safety that. Yeah. Yeah,
it's great to having guys that areso talented around you. No, it's
good to hear well, save yourvoice, Seawn. I appreciate, like
you said, calling in and we'lltalk again soon, hopefully maybe a little
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bit sooner than a year from now, and we'll see what's going on with
you and uh everyone check out thesong and check out Sean and Crash Midnight
what they're doing, because it's onlygoing to get better from here. Sounds
good man. We'll see you inVegas. So absolutely, man, you've
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doing not bad? Sean? Canyou hear me? I got you,
and it's good to talk to you. It's been a minute, yeah,
and that would have been crazy busyhere. But well I can't wait to
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hear about it because I think thelast time I talked to you, it
was when you're about to do theRackavoca thing with de Snyder, the thing
in Vegas there that was the showcoming up. I think it was last
Was it already like a year ago? Last January? Was that? When
it was? It couldn't have beenlong ago enough. That was a complete
mess. But yeah, oh god, if it was a little bit ago,
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oh well, that's since that's wherewe left off. I don't think
he had even done the show atthat point. Uh, what happened to
you? Kara? Talk about it? What went down that night? Yeah,
I mean it was it was justI think everybody had the best of
attentions, but a lot of alot of people's managers over and flated people's
work, and we were basically askedto rescue a knight that they were upside
(01:26):
down on and for the amount ofmoney they were paying certain people to be
there, it was pretty ridiculous askfor us to bring the entire party.
But that's kind of that, that'skind of something that we've dealt with a
fair amount with with those It's notI mean so much the artists all the
time. A lot of times managerand I don't even know they know what's
being said between you know, theirrepresentation. But a lot of those era
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guys have the management that that wildlyover inflates what they're bringing to the table
and then tries to to, youknow, sell bands like us that you
know, hey, you know youguys bring everybody, will pay them a
whole bunch. Yeah, that's justwe're not We're not doing this it ever.
Again, was it just people likeit didn't like no one really showed
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up or was it just what likewhat happened exactly? Well, pretty my
ticket sales were they were definitely undereighty It might have been under fifty at
the time when they decided that wewere going to need to we're going to
need to support the show like wewere headlining, but they wanted us to
go on first, and that waskind of the last straw with those people.
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Yeah, I guess. So howbig was what venue was that out?
How big was it? Do youknow? Do you remember it was
hard Rock Live on the on theStrip, so at the new hotel that's
opening World Barrages. But yeah,hard Rock Live on the on the Strip
is the one that's kind of rightacross from sort of bread across from New
York, New York. Okay,I think I know which one you're talking
about. Big room. Yeah,that's a big place and all that,
(02:54):
all this stuff hind the bar.It's like eight hundred plus at least.
Wow, would have been a verysparse uh, the Snyder Party if we
hadn't jumped in and actually our goodfriend Brendon Hans On ninety two to three
pop out Here Rock Station. Ifwe hadn't got a banded together, and
you know, made a last ditcheffort to make this thing happen. There
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we've we've been playing a coffee out, yeah, which is nice for us
sometimes to think of like an intimatevenue just doing a nice, little,
stripped down show. But it wassupposed to be a full on rock show
with a bunch of loud, screamingpeople. And if that wasn't the case,
it's kind of a downer to saythe least. Yeah, Like I
said, I mean we you know, we played with really great bands out
here from that era, like Teslais awesome. They were amazing to us,
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La Guns amazing to us, andthe loses helping us slote in.
You know, ow kind of attitudethat some of these guys happened. It's
fantastic. And you got some ofthe guys that they could still like nineteen
eighty seven, you know, andthey're management certainly does. And it's just
we we had a new single outthat wasn't original about this, but it
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sort of retroactive. We became Iwas kind of just being burned out on
that old Sunset strip, see Iguess out here, Well that kind of
what that back of Boston. Therewas none of that back of Boss No.
I can imagine that Jerome maybe cameto one of our shows back there,
but that was that was about theextent of anything from that era.
And move out here. It's justlike the eighties threw up out here,
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and you know, they're cool band. You know, I remember listening to
him when I was a little kid. You know, those are the big
boys. But you know, atsome point you've got to have a reality
check of what your draw is andyou know, ask for something that's commensurate
with that. Yeah, yeah,absolutely, I think we know here you're
talking about. Of course, deSnyder was part of that, and of
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course part of Twist's sister, andhe was doing this on his own without
the band and trying to launch theRockavoka thing, which I've never heard of
since. I didn't hear about itbefore. I haven't heard much about it
since, so I can kind ofimagine where that went or didn't go.
We haven't really heard from them sinceeither. Yeah, you know, that's
it's tough at a company. Imean, I don't want to give them
too much shit for you know,anybody trying to start a company's pretty tough,
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especially you know now with Pointe economythat but yeah, it was nothing
was run very well on that.It's you know, again he's got a
big mouth in the press, soI don't feel too bad, you know,
exploiting some of that stuff. ButI don't think any of this had
to do with d I think itwas all you know, the representation,
trying to oversell and over inflate youknow what he was bringing to the table.
(05:26):
Yeah. Fortunately especially and you know, give him a little credit too,
Like this was in Des Moines,Iowa. That would be one thing
because there's there's not a lot ofthis. I mean, but you spit
any night in the week here andyou're going to hit five ten guys and
you know, different venues that havehad a cup of coffee with White Snake
or you know, used to knowsomebody in rat or or you know Big
(05:46):
Lebolki, you know, rooting onMetallica speed the Salad Tour. You know,
it's it's you have the same caschetout here. There's there's a million
a million of those kind of peopleplaying a band, supergroups and that kind
of stuff were out here. Soit just doesn't move the needle, especially
when you got like Bruno Mars playingright across the street. Oh yeah,
there's a million things over there.It's Vegas and this is the strip.
I mean, there's so much goingon and you can't even there's no way
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you can see it all in onesecond, one day, like you would
need millions of days to be therejust to experience it all. There's there's
there's so much competition, there's somuch happening. People cancel shows because there's
too much going on around it.They just can't make it work and make
it make it happen too. Sothat's really true. It's it's and that's
something that we're actually working on rightnow with We've got a very good friend,
Na's great who is one of theowners of the sand Dollar here in
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Las Vegas. Sandel's the oldest diebars out here just about it. It's
a much bigger venue, uh youknow, five hundred plus cap on it
and you opened that down in thePlaza Hotel. And we also started working
with Gooch from from a ninety twothree comp out here at the Rock Station
and we kind of put together something. There's a there's a need, there's
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a lot of bands just skip thecity for that exact reason that any given
night, you know, let's sayyou're you're a hard rock sort of band,
and we'll shoot Arrowsmith just announce itsresidency. They've been playing all week,
and your ticket sales just went fromsix hundred down to two hundreds.
It's really tough to predict that stuff, and so a lot of a lot
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of the band just skipt down.So we're going to start doing as you're
putting some offers out to a lotof them pretty cool bands, some of
the band and we toured with someof the bands that are just you know,
represented by other people we have connectionswith, and we're going to kind
of come out and will be essentiallythe house band at these at this venue.
We actually get paid like it too, So that's so we don't have
a bitch anymore what happened with thewhole art rock thing. But yeah,
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it's basically what we'll do is willbe the direct support band there. But
I'll ensure that every night can sellit, so it doesn't matter. You
know, it's say, yeah,it's only a five hundred cap place,
so we're to be you know,targeting those kind of mid level bands that
can that can bring anywhere from threeto five hundred, and no matter what,
we'll make up the difference. Yeah, our shows, I mean we
were headline Brookelyn Ball that was probablythe biggest strong one that was definitely a
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bigges strong one was over six hundredand brought in there, although it's still
felt empty's help that place over twentythree hundred. So we did to do
that again. Yeah, and we'vegot a you know, I mean we're
pretty good for anywhere between two hundredand four hundred do you know any given
night. That definitely helps us.And then we get to play more often
because you know, we were onlygood for that if we don't overplay and
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if we can, you know,do a deal where we got these other
bands coming in, you can supportthem, make sure they have a good
night. Comp's getting involved. Theyhave a lot of visibility on that.
You know, it's it's just it'sa big win for everybody. Helps the
radio station really plug into the lifebloodof the Rocks and you out here again.
That's an important thing now that there'sso many choices on what to listen
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to iTunes or Apple Music whatever it'scalled now, Spotify and all that and
to get in the car. Youknow, what does radio have that that
you can you know, they canearn your attention, and it's it's actually
having to figure out the pulsive stuffout here where we can discover new bandage,
discover cool stuff, and then youget to know the DJs. Yeah.
Absolutely, it's tough, and likeI said too earlier with people trying
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to bookshows. Even Kiss tried todo a residency there at one point and
had to cancel it because there justwas as even Jean said, there's just
too much going on. So Imean, if Kiss has to cancel something
like that, as big as theyare or were, I mean, you
know how much that you know whatthe competition is like out in Vegas on
the strip, it's it's it's insane, it is you really got to earn
a fan base out here. ButI will say I enjoy earning a fan
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base here in Vegas much more thanBoston because Boston was a whole nother animal.
And I always say this is nothingagainst Boston, but it's we bust
in a lot of kids into Bostonand they're all college kids and you only
got four years fortunately for you know, bands a lot of those venues were
twenty one plus. Now you onlyhave them for like the tail under their
junior year and then their senior year. Yes, and almost earned move off,
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go off to wherever in the countryor the world they're going to go
work, and you start back fromscratching. It a nice thing about vag
as big of a reputation that ithas as a transient town. We've had
more people who are you diehard local, you know, people that have been
here since we moved out here,and once you become you know, tight
with them and their fans for life. So I found that we made a
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lot more headway, or at leastwe had less attritions about yeah, you
know, working out here than weget in Boston. Is the drinking age
is it legal age? Is ityounger there in Vegas? Or is it
still twenty one across like across theboard across the country. No, it's
still twenty one. But the dealis is this isn't really a college town,
right, so what you end upyou're not really reliant on that same
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market as you are in Boston.Yeah, Boston is a small town,
so it is you know, Vegas, but Boston is populated heavily by a
lot of college teams. Many ofpop are are too young to get into
a lot of those shows. Yeah, so out here, pretty much all
our shows are twenty one plus.But it doesn't matter because we have a
time of twenty one plus fans outhere that still living year after they you
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know, after we meet them,instead of moving off that they graduate.
Yeah, it's usually a place thatpeople will stay well, especially if they
want to make It depends on whatthey're doing, if they want to make
a living. Whereas, like yousaid, Boston, people kind of go
to it and then they move onto their lives, whether it be across
the country or somewhere around the world. Like you said, so you got
a lot more people sticking around andlike you said, coming back and being
recurring fans, and also bringing innew people as well too as they migrate
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to the Strip too, as theycome to Vegas too, So that all
works out very well. Yeah,And I mean where you know, Boston's
definitely gone much more of that hipsterydirection was definitely not that type of band,
But Vegas suits us very well.Yeah, I would say so too.
Speaking of Vegas, I think Italked to another guy that. I
think you you played with his bandrock San. I think opening for Last
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in Line when they did a showout there as well too was that wasn't
the same one as the Rock Evoka, but that happened I guess sometime last
year as well too. Did youdo you remember that show how that went
down? Yeah? That was adifferent Giper one that was a lot better.
The last nine people will hole.You know. The problem is is
now hard rock because the competition haspretty much moved into a showcase type of
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venue. So they've got what theycall it so rating the rock bolts.
I think, yeah, he's takingup all their Fridays and Saturdays, and
that makes it really tough of anybooky agent to bring in touring acts because
if all your premium games are gone, then you know, there's not a
ton of acts that really want toplan on a Tuesday here in Vegas.
So that's it's kind of it's it'sreally too bad because the the sound of
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lights, everything, the production,all the people that work hard rock are
fantastic. It's just you know,they've kind of gone in that direction,
and you know, more power tothem. I think they're actually bringing on
Emo Night or something too. It'skind of going generational where you like,
they get a little you know,too far out to come in every night,
and now that you got the nextone, they're trying to bring in.
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But hopefully the you knows, asthe hard Rock Hotel takes over the
Mirage here, there'll be some moreopportunities to tour with hard rock. That
was our first show we played outhere was the hard Rock Hostel casino that
then turned into Virgin out Here,So it's going to be nice to have
a hard rock back here. That'sthe first show you guys played when you
first came from Boston out to Vegas. Yep, the first show we played
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in Vegas. He was at alittle venue called Final. Yeah. I
remember when we first talked, myfirst kind of connected with you. I
remember thinking that you were actually aVegas like you were from Vegas from Nevada.
I thought you were actually from there. In surprise me that you were
from from Boston and the Massachusetts areatoo, and that you just kind of
came there to kind of follow yourfollow the career path. So it's kind
of how long have you been outthere now in Vegas? Then? See
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moved from Boston I think nine yearsnow. I mean it's kind of forget
sometimes there's the sports teams that I'mfrom Boston. You know, we've been
out here and established her so long. We really do feel like Vegas is
their home, and you know,we're a Vegas band at this point.
Yeah, but you know, wedefinitely still play you know, a bunch
of the songs off the debut albumless than we used to, but uh,
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it's very much like two eras tobad, and I think we still
do draw from a lot of theexperiences that we had and were you know,
younger and cutting our teeth in Boston, which is kind of nice because
we well, I don't know ifit was it was nice for our our
criminal records, but we h,we definitely got into enough things that uh,
you know, got us gave usenough material to draw on for a
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long time. So you know,no matter where we go in life is
as we get get a little fartherand more comfortable and stuff, we're not
gonna turn into the guys you knowthinking about lawyers and you know, investment
portfolios of crap like that. Yeah, a lot of it as dads,
as you should get a little bitmore money, and more comfortability to lose
some of the hunger and ship.We've got enough stuff to draw on.
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We've got about five more albums tomake with all the all the stuff that
we had back there. Nice.Now, I see why you moved away
then, So it wasn't just tofollow your dreams for rock and roll as
it was to get away from theUH, to change your lifestyle, change
your habits, change your old ways. That's another good reason. It's good.
Hey, it makes for a goodsong, makes for a good backstory
for the Pan too. We're probablythe only only band to move out to
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Vegas to get clean. So yeah, we go completely clean, but we've
significantly cleaned up a lot to soexactly, you're really batten down the hatches.
You've really uh, you tightened thingsup and moving to Vegas really helped
that. That's a cool backstory.It's good. It's good. It's good
to mention that. Yeah, Vegasprovided us well very wholesome environments are real
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good to hear. Vegas more wholesomethan you might imagine. There, Vegas.
Take it from Sean, take itfrom Crash Midnight. Vegas will make
your dreams get true and it'll cleanup your life too. It's nothing but
positives, do you uh? Youmentioned of course obviously you player on Vegas
a lot. There's so much todo, you playing the Dollar Sound Club
everywhere like that and the hard rock. But have you guys toured much nationally
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since since the last time we spoke, are at all? No? No,
we haven't. I mean everything isgoing up so much that actually we
have a bunch of friends and inother bands that were doing similar tour routing
that we would have, and they'relike, we're hanging it up. It's
just the the expenses are not worthit. And you know, no matter
what people want to gaslight to youabout the way the economy is right now,
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people aren't coming out the way theyused to. They seem to out
here, But I think that's alsobecause and given you know, because it
is it's a tourist Yeah, touristdestination. People are flying all the time
to come to our shows. Getthat fresh blood. Plus you're your local
fans and hell, I mean it'salmost like touring because if you're going to
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tour and go playing for a youknow, two hundred people somewhere in the
Midwest, you know, probably getdamn near that plan out here, Yeah,
traveling sleeping some strange bed or whatever. So we've we've kind of been
keeping this and out and that wasthe other reason behind you know, the
series that we're putting together with withcop and UH and the sand Dollar at
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the Plaza is you know that's that'sgoing to not only be as good as
our headline shows up for getting peopleto you know, fly in or travel
in to come watch us, butit's also going to be all those fans
from whatever band we're joining up withthe play on that. So for us,
that's you know, their fans willbe unique coming in to see them.
Hey, that's going to be anothertwo or three hundred people that see
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us. We're shooting for every otherweek to get this thing lined up.
So it's like we're talking very consistentyou know, playing to us, that's
as good as a tour. Yeah, making way more money and losing a
lot less you know money on travelexpenses and all that stuff. Yeah,
for sure, because it costs somuch money to obviously get the equipment,
get a van, get a bus, get out there, travel across Hope
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the turnout is good at each city, each state that you go to So
this is definitely, like you said, like a mini tour with having to
leave your backyard basically, so itreally helps I'm sure costs wise, and
you know, obviously more money inyour pocket, you can play to more
people, and it's a tourist destination. Everybody's coming there, so let them
all come to you instead of yougoing to them. Let everybody come to
you. It's smart. It's agood idea, yeah, and it it
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frees us up to record a lotmore too, because we're we're essentially like
in a studio lockout in perpetuity becausewe're you know, you've got a great
relationship with the High Out Recording Studioand by the Turcos and record everybody from
five years. You know, itwas a little wing was in there last
week. Usher was doing his SuperBowl stuff there, was getting ready for
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his Have Time performance. There,very diverse, it's an amazing studio.
I don't even have to get onthe Highway to get there at seven minute
driven. So basically what we dois we use one of the best engineers
as our co producer and we goin there and we can chip away in
songs like you used to be ableto do back in the seventies or eat
and sixties or whatever, where youknow you'd have a studio locked out for
a year. Well, we don'treally need to lock it out because you
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don't have to save stuff on thebig board. You know, you've got
everything in the box of the computer. So you know, if I have
an idea, hey, I wantto change this, first, I just
call up our boy, Trusting Hardenhere and you know we find the time.
I go in and try something new. And then you know, if
we decide we want to switch outa drunk part, whatever it is,
it's all these songs can kind ofbe fluxed and it allows us to have
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multiple songs in air quotes on theboard time. You know, let's just
produce stuff the way that very fewbands get to do these days, because
you either have to have a tonof money or you got to be you
know, insane in the studio.Because a lot of these bands, when
we get a week to do something, or even like a long weekend,
you got to go record a wholealbum. You never have to do that.
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We just chip away a couple ofsongs or three or four songs we
can as we go and which everyone'sready first, there's the next single on
Off It Goes, And if wewere on tour, we wouldn't really be
able to do that because you won'tbe able to get back into the studio
to make that stuff happen. Infact, my voice is kind of fading
right now because I just finished recordinga new demo for another song. Will
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work out here, I am.We did everything I could today before I
got on this call, So thenext So the next song doesn't sound so
good you sound If Sean sounds alittle bit off, they can blame me.
They can blame this conversation. Iruined your voice for the whole thing.
I won't keep you forever sucks becauseof chad vice, But at least
i'll get famous for that evaluated.Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be a
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fun one though. It's kind oflike I keep describing, like Radar Love.
It's like Vanishing Points doing kind ofone of those getaway songs. That's
the new one you're recording we're workingon. Yeah, that's a lot we're
working on right now. No,I can't wait to check that one out.
Speaking of what what you've been workingon. So I won't keep you
forever like I said, but Iwant to talk about the I guess it's
your latest song that I just discoverednot too long ago, but it's been
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out since I well, last month, I think is when it dropped strung
out on Sunset, which is whatyou alluded to earlier when we were talking
about expectations or lack thereof of thingsthat happened on the strip or people's importance
from back in the day. Sobasically I was going to talk to you
about what the inspiration was and whereit all came from. But I guess
that's kind of it. So talkto me about how it all came together.
And I love it. Man,your voice on that when it's a
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slow burner, the guitar, justthe soul just blazes right through in the
middle of it, like it's justa It's a different sounding song for you
guys, I think from what I'veheard from from you before, but this
is just a different animal. Ilove it. So and talk to me
a bit about how it came togetherand if you think it came out the
way you wanted it to. Thanksman. Yeah, it's you know,
we definitely we have a couple ofthese songs that we're done during the pandemic,
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we were doing a lot of thoselike covid uh separated shows or whatever,
so it was more of a coffeehouse table environment. We had a
whole bunch of things that we kindof lovingly referred to as like that,
the rolling Stonestead songs or whatever theywere, the strip songs, Yeah,
and this was one of them,and it ended up making it into our
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whole electric set relatively quickly once onceeverything came back alive out here and people
just loved it, and we reallytried to do what we did back in
the day in Boston because before,you know, before we got a record
deal out there, we played thehell out of those first twelve songs and
figured out what worked what didn't.There were a bunch of songs that ended
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up making it. They were probablyabout eighteen to twenty songs in any one
point when we were younger, andit was it was a great way to
evaluate the strength of a song whichplayed from there. But so we've really
been trying to do that with allthe new songs work on and Sunset probably
got the most run out of that, and we just had so many people
come up to us after the showasking us about that song. You know,
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does that that one out or isit? And we knew we really
want to do that one right,and it's it's a little different process because
you're right, we don't do manyof those kinds of songs. We have
a song called You're Gone that werereleased maybe two years ago that's a more
of that Ballady type of thing,a little less bluesy. But this is
a song that that we didn't reallywant to do to do and do right,
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and I feel like it came outpretty damn well. And it's it's
obviously it's when we do the rockanthem of the bangors just definitely want to
repeat at this point because we allknow the setting is what we want to
go in and guitar toes that kindof stuff. It's a little bit different
when you when you got to getstep to quiet down a little bit and
go that way. But yeah,I mean, I'm glad, I'm glad
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you like it. It was areal inspired you before I moved out and
a lot of these songs old.This one was inspired before we even moved
out from Boston, probably a yearbefore we did. I was out visiting
your buddy at Newport beach, andwe spent a couple of minutes in Hollywood.
I don't think I slept for millThere was at least one night that
I stay up all night. AndI remember on the second day of that
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that bang or whatever I do,I was trying to like chase the hangover
with coffee and I had some callcoming up with a manager or something like
you know, you get your youknow, working away up, you get
like all these calls from different people, and you're trying to evaluate whether or
not somebody want to get involved with. I was in a completely wrecked state
of mind, and I was saggeringout some place between that I can't remember
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what the hell the name of theplace was. Maybe it's not even Dare
anymore, but it was you werehaving like a late breakfast or something like
that someplace right between like you know, the roxy rainbow and the whiskey somewhere
in between that. And you know, I kind of like thought of his
own and that interesting idea like I'mstrung out on so I set or whatever.
Yeah, but I didn't really haveany idea of what the song was
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going to be about. And thenthere's you know, we did all our
cores and all that stuff. Ikind of thought that it's it's an interesting,
you know, thing to look at, like life after the curtain falls,
you know, where it's everybody thinkslike, oh man, it must
be so cool being in the band, and yeah, honestly, you're a
glorified truck driver for the majority ofa tour. Yeah, twenty two hours
on the road, it's yes,melancholy after yeah, yeah, I mean
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there were so many things, likewe we broke down on the side of
the road, like right next tomy fire ant nests. Nobody knew until
they were crawling up our leg.I got five naked guys on the side
of the road trying to figure outhow to get gas in the carts and
run out of gas. We didhave a gas egg, but unfortunately it's
uh it was like big gass Winnebagoand the gas fill upside was on the
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highway side, and we'd only gottenso far off the highway, so it
was like it was five or likefive or six more right when the big
trucks start going down, they're theonly ones on the road. We're trying
to fill that gas tag and runback before a truck flattens us because there's
no way to get underneath the wayto bag. It's like it's too over
the ground to get a duck underneath. You're just screwed your windshield at that
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point. Wow. So just youknow, stuff like that and some other
things that went down, and that'swhat that song was about. But like
I said earlier, it's you're outhere and you deal with some of those
people trying to shine you on onall this you know stuff. Okay,
you know, you too, getthe privilege of going out and playing with
this band that you know it's justnot what they used to be, and
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you know it's a good deal.They're gonna get paid a ton and you're
gonna do this, like, youknow, for half your normal price,
but you get to play with them, Like okay, well that's just not
that might have been cool when weresixteen, but yeah, wow, the
bloom is off the roads. Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's too
bad because it did sound like Iremember when we talked, that was a
big thing, and obviously there's noreason not to think that at the time,
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but it was gonna be you know, it's gonna be a big deal.
And he does have a name that'sout there. But it just depends
on what you're doing. And maybeif it was a whole band, like
I said, it would have beensomething else. But it's just I mean,
the time, it sounded big andexciting, but then nothing ever came
of it, and that's the reasonwhy. So it's good to kind of
come full full circle on that andhear what happened. But it didn't affect
you guys anyway. I mean,you guys still have a draw, you
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guys still have a band. Youguys are still out there doing it.
There's still offers, there's still thingsfor you to do. So it's not
like, you know, it kindof tanked you. It just kind of
maybe opened his eyes and at leastyou got an opportunity to see what that's
like and say, Okay, wetried that, that didn't work. We're
gonna move on. We're gonna dosomething else. Yeah. I mean,
and now I think we're much moreattuned to when people have ulterior motives and
you know, just different motivations ingeneral. You know, they do a
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lot of people in that camp thatwere you know, motivated by other people
that were involved in the show,and they were trying to push all these
other people, but unfortunately none ofthese other people have any draw at least
out here. So you know,they're all trying to move their agenda and
we're kind of caught in the middle. Like they even see how this works
out for us guys, So wehave we pulled out of stuff. Now
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we're much faster to you know,if something starts going that way, we're
just like that it's not going tobe for us. Wish well and good
luck, but we're not getting involvedin that anymore. Well, it's it's
been good, you know, juststicking to your guns on that stuff.
Yeah. Absolutely, Just one lastquestion on that. Do you know how
they came in contact with you?Like, how do they find how they
find you? How they find yourband? Were they fans of it?
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Do they know? Do they askaround? How did how did you get
in contact? It's a good buddyof ours, who well, I still
do a lot of business with Yougot all kinds of placements, you know,
formula far racing, CBS, sportsboxing and and and that stuff.
And it was a uh, itwas I guess I don't know if it
was a business partner, just likea colleague or you know, friends with
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some sort of separation. They weretrying to break that buzz out here,
and he's like, well, Imean, you're going to want to make
sure that you've got somebody that canyou know, support the show out there.
And so then they got in touchwith us, and there was a
lot of you know, it's alwaysvery nice up front, and then all
of a sudden, when the rubberhits the road and you know, people
stopped falling through on what they saythey're going to do, then you know
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that's when that's what theys go alittle sideway. Yeah, kind of leave
it at that, but that's that'swhere it came to. It was never
really a d Snyder thing or ayou know, any other people. But
you know, I know the managementhad different relationships with other people involved in
the show, and I was tryingto push them to you know, be
the headliner. I was trying topush his other band that you know,
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nice guys, but you know,nobody's heard of them out here, and
was trying to push them into themiddle slot. I don't think it was
fine for us. We just gotto you know, set up, go
and then be done. Yeah,you don't have to hang around and over
them. Yeah, well left aroundthere by the time you went. Yeah,
So there was another band on theon the on the bill, right,
it wasn't just you, guys,it was it was you and then
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another band and then him. Isthat how it how it was kind of
shaped up? There were there weretwo other bands. The last band was
like it was a A C.D C cover band from out here,
but I guess the guitarists played inmaybe D's solo band I think I remember
right was something so concept was maybehe's not really allowed to put under the
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exorbitant amount of money that they weregiving him, I guess even more for
him back perform. God knows why. But you know, then the uh,
I guess like they wanted that bandto be the last band so they
could try to call it D upeven though I think they had already agreed
to do it. It was justlike when you listen to it, you're
like, guys, it just soundsreally ridiculous. So that's what I ended
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up happening with that. And thenthere was some other band from Long Island.
There were younger guys that I thinkthe manager for D had some sort
of relationship with and he was tryingto thrust them into you know, the
situation too, and that was justagain like that's not their fault, it's
you know, just mismanagement. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. It
all comes down to, Well youmove on from there, and like you
said, you're working on new music. Do you have a new album coming
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out or is it singles for now? How is it looking? How is
it shaping up? So we're stillgoing to keep doing singles, but I
am we've finished. I think Imight have told you last time we talked,
if I can't even remember that farback, but it was our game
plan is basically to release eight singlesand then wrap them all into an album
for a you know album release.And we've already finished the eight singles for
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that album. We've got a prettygood idea of like what the order is
going to be on the album.But the tough thing is I got to
find some time and dead to keepthe time to getting sitting down with our
co producer and and kind of gettinginto all field like they belong on the
same album. We're just going totake a remix, a late remix of
some of them. But the firsttwo there's a song called Chinatown and a
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song called Another Day in Hell thatwere two of the first songs recorded.
And We're out here. Yeah,that's a great song. That Hell was
great to where I think the lastsong is so last one, dead Ass.
I think the last song on thatalbum is gonna be dead Ass.
So that's the single was released justbefore Sunset. We kind of got a
bridge gap in there and make surethat they all feel like they're part of
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the same production. So there's gonnabe a lot of work done on the
on the first couple of songs,not so much on the last ones.
But we just got to find thetime to do that, and to be
honest, like motivationally, it's somuch more fun to record new stuff and
go back, and we has togo up. So it's kind of been,
you know, just yeah, we'llget to that in a few weeks
or whatever, but we do needto. This summer I think would probably
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be a good time for us tosit down and really work on that.
No, it's gonna be good.I'll be looking forward to that. Is
it going to be a physical releaseas well? Is it going to be
on CD? Vinyl? Eight track? All that good? Stuff or is
it just going to be digital.I really want to release all of our
stuff on vinyl at some point,but apparently that's an entire remix on top
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of the original remix. So whatTristan and I were talking about is,
you know, as remixes this stuff, kind of getting a good idea of
what he would want to do fora vinyl release. But that's gonna be
a whole nother sit down and reagonizeover the same mate songs the third time.
Now, I got to get myselfin a place to do that,
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and I think, you know,the tough thing is that there's just been
so many starts and stops, likewe're e clipping along grade out here,
and then everything shut down, Andlike I said, then we started focusing
on a little bit more acoustic electricstuff because we were able to play some
of those you know, COVID distanceshows and it really didn't feel right,
you know, trying to go fullon out box show at them, so
we kind of developed a little bitmore of a laid back thing. And
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then as soon as those were kindof ready, and when we were actually
to recording some of those, andeverything opened back up and we're like oh
well, shit, and grab thatidea. We'll save that little tools to
play the harder stuff and tay theloads for a while. And then we
started working on you know this newstuff, and I've had, I've been
my life is for building a gigantocrazy house has just been a fucking nightmare
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fire our old builders. And nowwe're just getting that back up having had
to deal with a whole bunch ofcreatiness on that. Are you building There's
been a lot of life that's beengoing on. Yeah, absolutely, are
you building a studio inside your house? At least you can do some a
little work there if you want to, or do you want to kind of
just totally get away from that.Yeah, So everybody kept asking me that,
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and honestly, it's just for acouple of reasons. Its number one,
like this this house is a reallygood investment. We're going to walk
you know, walking in the door. It's going to be you know,
a pretty good drop of the bucketfor like we tired it so we may
or may not have this as along term house. And I didn't want
to do anything that's so unique thatit would kind of, you know,
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preclude a potential buyer for wanting topick it up if we decide to go
in that direction. But you know, also, when you got one of
the best studios in the world sevenminutes out of the street, this house
isn't getting built much farther from otethat house releasing right now we build it.
Yeah, it's like anything that Iput in there isn't going to be
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even remotely close to to what Icould just drive down the street too.
So yeah, what's the what's outthe hideout? Yeah, that's what they
do best. Yeah, I'll justchill out of the house. Yeah.
No, that's a good plan.It's definitely a good idea. And like
you said that, you got thehideout right next door basically, so I
mean you've got the opportunity, whywouldn't you take that. I mean,
it's it's good, it's there.It sounds like you got a good work
environment at sure. It was likeback at Boston where I had to take
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up three and a half hour busride to get to New York City the
court, man, I would definitelyreconsider that. But for demos, man,
I mean, we just use youknow, sometimes it's like pro tool
thing or or even garage band,you know, I'll just do some demos
and stuff on that. Oh itis trying to figure out what we want
to do to install the song thatrehearsal. I'm that's plenty good enough.
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I'm not going to try to sitthere and keep up with the high outs
production in my own studio. Yeah, no, I get you. I
get you, uh, Sean.I appreciate you checking in and talking about
the new song. People can checkthat out. It's obviously it's on YouTube.
It's on mixed Cloud. I thinkI saw it there as well too,
on the Crash Midnight Facebook pages theretoo. Is there is there a
video for that song or is itjust a audio for now? We don't
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have a video for it. I'malmost saying this is l F Henri.
We have a We have a videothat's pretty much done for Dead Ass,
although I know it needs to belike colorized a couple of like the post
production things, but we can't evenfinish that. We're already like a daily
delition with everything we're doing here.But hopefully I can get that one for
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Dad Ass. And we do havea lot of footage for Strong on Sunset.
Not totally sure what we want todo for the tail end of it,
but you know there could be avideo coming out. I just can't
promise it. Yeah, I gottaget I get the one that's overdue done
first. Yeah. Absolute, Soyou got lots. So you're a busy
man, you got loss to do, You've got lots going on, and
you're obviously professional life, personal life, so you'd better get on it and
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make it happen. I'm gonna beplaying this song on Paradise City, of
course, in one of the comingup episodes. Of course, people can
check it out. And if Iget my ass to Vegas, hopefully sooner
than later, get everything updated andpassport wise, I can get down there
and finally catch a show and seewhat you're talking about and what other people
are talking about when it comes toCrash Midnight Live, because I'm assuming everyone
likes your songs, but the bestway to see the band is obviously live.
(36:31):
A live shows always been heart Breadand Butter. I think that's what
sets us a part is really reallyemphasized. I got to be able to
play this live. I don't wantany track samples, all that kind of
stuff on it. Can't play alive It's not going on the record Yep,
there you go. That's amazing.And like you said earlier, which
I guess I kind of realized morenow too. With the with the strung
(36:51):
out on Sunset song, it doessound like it could have been acoustic bass,
or it does sound like it didstart off acoustics, So I like.
I like how it kind of turnedaround. It's a more of a
it's got a more of a heaviervibe to it, like a bluesier sound.
But I could definitely see that beingplayed an acoustics show and like you
said, a coffeehouse, so Ican see where that all came together now,
And yeah, it's good. It'sit's versatile with that. So if
(37:13):
we ever do get luck again,you played in both sides, or you're
too old to play it, youcan go back and you can do that,
do an eagle style and sit downwith some barstools and just sit there
in front of people and say,hey, remember when we used to play
this live, Well, here wego, and then you jump into it.
Yeah, as long as you doit live too, Yeah, and
do it live. Don't put inthose backing tracks that everybody uses right now,
(37:36):
just keep it live, keep itreal. Yeah, that's it all.
All the guys in the banks cansing really well. Now that's actually
helped our live show a ton,knowing that we have that ship. The
last two shows I had, Igot two little kids and they are walking
future editions, so they get thesick without fail almost every week of every
show. So I had one whereI was like, oh shit, I
(37:57):
don't know if laid all this stufffor the first half of the show until
I kind of sung it out.Those boys were covering a lot of stuff
for me. So it's great havingthat that as a you know, it's
I guess like a it's a crutchor safety that. Yeah. Yeah,
it's great to having guys that areso talented around you. No, it's
good to hear well, save yourvoice, Seawn. I appreciate, like
you said, calling in and we'lltalk again soon, hopefully maybe a little
(38:20):
bit sooner than a year from now, and we'll see what's going on with
you and uh everyone check out thesong and check out Sean and Crash Midnight
what they're doing, because it's onlygoing to get better from here. Sounds
good man. We'll see you inVegas. So absolutely, man, you've
been listening to the Nobody's or somebody'spodcast with me Chad Wece and this podcast
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