December 24, 2024 • 38 mins
Tamara Szwedo is a Certified Hypnotist, Neuro Linguistic Programming Practitioner and the Director of Listowel Hypnosis Centre. But how did she find herself on this path? Was it her first career choice? This is Tamara's story! More about Tamara:
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nobodies are somebodies.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's the Nobody's or somebody's podcast. It's me Chadvice. Welcome
to a holiday episode on Christmas or around that time.
I appreciate you checking out the podcast listening to the show.
I'm thankful on this Christmas season. I'm thankful for many things.
I'm definitely thankful for my children not having to pick
them up at school. That's an amazing thing. Seriously, what
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am I in school? Of us.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
This car?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We're not gonna have a fun conversation here with Tamara. Tamara,
whose last name I tried not to butcher in a
commercial I did for her, which is a little bit
of a backstory, the behind the curtain, peel back the
curtain of the podcast. I did a little commercial for
her business, for Listawell Hypnosis, which is in Listawell, Ontario, Canada.
So I tried to say her name, Say my names,
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say my name. I had it as a suato tamarasweeto
sweet o sweet to sweet o sweto. I tried a
million times. But all you need to know about sweet
o sweto, sweet o sweet Tamara is that it's a
great conversation and we're about to get into it. Right now.
I appreciate her coming on the podcast and sharing some
of her story. Of course, you only had several minutes
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on zoom to do that, but it's a good intro
about Tamara. Glad to connect with her on Instagram like
I did, which we did by liking each other's posts
and following and then getting to know one another and
realizing she has a business and I have a passion
for podcasting, and she has a passion for hypnosis, but
you do. You don't need to be hypnotized to want
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to listen to this show, So let's do it now.
It's Tamara here on the Nobody's Are Somebody's Podcast with
me Chadvice. Thank you so much for checking it out.
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(02:00):
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I appreciate you checking it out and downloading them to
visit sebcamcode dot com for more info on the podcast.
That's my website, which is about to be redone over
(02:21):
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I'm gonna revamp the website. But all the information you
need is there sebcamcode dot com. Check it out, and
check out Tamara at listowell Hypnosis dot com and check
out her conversation right now, now, now, now, Okay, here
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we go.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, so you got your Christmas tree behind you there.
That's really nice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I love mine, but it looks nice. It's it does
the job. Nice tree. YEAHSTI No, I need some presents.
Someone's gonna give me some gifts. Yeah, still waiting, intent intent,
still waiting. Okay, let's start this up. So all right,
it's the nobody's or somebody's podcast. It's me Chad Advice.
I'm talking to Tamara, a certified hypnotist and much much more.
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But that's not how I met her. I met her
through Instagram how and why. It was just so random
because we were just, you know, liking each other's posts,
like that's what's supposed to happen on Instagram. But I'm
anxious to find out more about you and your story
and hear about wells things I don't know which I'm
sure there's a few. So here we are, Tamara, how
are you?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm good? Thanks for having me. This is exciting. I
love sharing sharing the stories.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Have you done a lot of podcasts talking about your
what you do?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah? Yeah, you know, I have done, maybe not as
much as I as I should or could, but I
definitely don't shy away from sharing as much as I
can about this awesome modality.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, for sure. So I want to hear about I
guess obviously what brought you to that you were in
your life and your career before that. So take me
all the way back, I guess to the start. What
were you doing in a previous life, because I've only
ever known you doing this job and all the projects
you have and things you have going on now. So
where does Tamara's story kind of start?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah? You know, So I did not grow up in
a very health conscious family. It was like we didn't
even drink water. It was like water was for showering.
But in my early twenties, I started working at a
fitness club and that was in my mind, that's where
things started to go that direction. So I was working
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at the front desk, you know, just like I think
they were called csrs back then or whatever it was.
And I actually got promoted to a general manager within
about a year and a half and to know what
I was doing. But anyways, that was the theme. That
was the theme for a bit where I was in
that gym, vibe in that gym environment. So there was
a lot of health but it was mostly about physical
health right then. I just always had my finger on
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the pulse with it. So I, you know, in between
there and where I am now, I went through some
different avenues with you know, I went back to school
for human resources. I was a server. I actually went
back to the gym as a as a service a
customer service rep. While I was in school. Anyways, there
was just a whole bunch of I was just trying
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to figure things out. Anyway. After about you know, a
couple of years of that, maybe five years of that,
I was talking to a friend of mine and I
was having some issues and she mentioned hypnosis, and little
did I know that that was going to take me
on this you know, roller coaster of a whole new world.
But she mentioned it and I just looked into it
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and I went to a hypnotist where I was living
at the time, which was in Waterloo, and I loved it.
Within like two or three sessions, I felt a huge
shift and it just really opened my eyes to how
much is how much we need to really pay attention
to what's going on up here as well as physical fitness.
(06:10):
So yeah, so then.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I, uh, you know, got you're talking about your mind,
so people don't Yeah. Yeah, so you're talking about what's
going on up here, like where is that like upstairs down?
Where is that up there in your mind?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right in your mind.
I forgot people can't see me. So yeah. So then
after that, I ended up looking up, you know, how
to become a hypnotist. I talked to the current hypnotist
I was seeing. She was like, this would be great
for you. I found a school that does it in Burlington. Yeah.
(06:47):
So so then after that we kept I kept kind
of looking for ways of improving my skill. Right. I
went into neuro linguistics programming, which sounds really fancy, but
what that means is neuro is mind linguistics is language
programming is like inputting, So it's it's really essentially using
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the language of the mind to help reprogram the way
that you're responding to things. And it's it's really cool
how we can use simple tools to respond differently to things.
And yeah, so I went and got certified for that.
I got into stage hypnosis, which I've talked to you
a little bit about, you know, which which actually makes
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a really big difference in helping people because once people
go to a stage show, they start to be a
little more open to the idea of using it for
other things. So, and it's a lot of fun. So yeah,
I've I've owned two clinics. This is my second clinic.
I run two offices. I have one here in one
and one in Wingham. And yeah, it's a it's a blast,
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it really really is. So that's kind of my story in.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
A nutshell, the very Oh we're done here, thank you, Yeah,
thanks for having me, thanks for number problem, thanks for
being here. When you say your own two clinics, now,
what was the process for that, Like, did you work
in these clinics before and then they sold them to you?
Did you have to like buying a business. Obviously there's
different factors in that, but how did you make that
step to owning the first one. And obviously he did
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the first one first and the second one the second.
He didn't buy them both at the same time. So
talkt me a bit as much as you can about
the process of designed to own these clanks and running
them yourself.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah. So I have a mentor for hypnosis and she
helped a lot. So I had never owned really a
business before, and it is it is a whole other world, right,
So I started them from scratch. The first one I
owned was in Kitchener, and started it from scratch, built
it up. But then I moved out to listool and
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I was running both at the same time for a while,
but that just it was a little too much. So
I ended up selling Kitchener, uh and just focusing on
list to aol. And you know, obviously after you've opened one,
the second one goes a little bit easier.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Not I've heard yeah, right, chained businesses. Yeah yeah, you just.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Kind of know, you know, you know what to look for,
you know. And so listool hit the ground like Listool
really blew up quite quickly. Kitchener took a little while
because I was brand new to it all right.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
But uh, and if I'm right, if I know my
town's or something like that. List Well is not a
very big place.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Is it. It's developing a lot, but it's not When
I first moved here, it was a lot smaller. But
it is a small it's not considered a city. I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think it's like a town. But yeah, my question
of that is is there enough business? Like, is there
enough people and they're interested in what you do? Like,
do you find like opening up in a small town?
Was that really going to be I guess obviously maybe
you researched that before knowing that there's a there's a
market for this in in your town.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I would assume, yeah, like you never know what's going
to happen. But I researched enough to look get the
towns around Listool because Listool's kind of the hub, and
I didn't just take the population of Listool. I took
the surrounding areas. And the thing without this in this
area is that people are willing to commute. They're used
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to it, right, because there's small towns don't have a lot,
they're used to having to drive. And I mean I
did that with Kitchener as well, but Listoo was different.
Kitchener is much bigger, right, So I get what you're
saying totally.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Is like to make Kitchener would be the hub, the
place where everyone would be, and there'd be more chance
to have people, even people who don't know what you do,
walk by and discover like, oh, there's a hypnosis center.
Should I check that out? Do I need? You know,
there'd be more with passers by, whereas list of well
seems like it'd be like you'd have to know about
it and that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's funny because it's actually the opposite I found, And
I don't know if it's just the office that I
have here, you know, really well, yeah, and people talk
a lot more in you know, there's a lot more
referrals and a lot of people. There's a lot more
of a community kind of where everyone's talking about, you know, things,
And so, yes, both are both have pros and cons
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to them, and both are both are awesome. But I
wasn't really sure how it was going to play out
because even getting the research of how many people and
this and that, and seeing that it was worth at
least attempting it, I wasn't sure because you never know
how people are going to respond when you're actually there, right,
But I was very very impressed and happily surprised that
the response was really good. And it continues to grow
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out here, and it continues to you know, become more
of a need, especially after COVID and you know all
of this with people needing stress help and and people
wanting to become healthier. And I also offer online so
that may makes things quite It gives a lot of
a lot of options. So I have clients out in
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BC or Quebec, and you know that that does help contract.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, Now to me it seems like and this is
going to show how much I don't know about this
the profession, but this is why we're here to talk
about it too. So to me, who's ever only seen anything,
hypnosis would be something would you you know, the TV,
the stage show, the stuff like that, the stuff you
see for fun whatever. So if somebody, if somebody walks
into your clinic, I can assume they can get you know,
the help they need right there or whatever hypnosis treatment
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you offer. But as far as online goes, wouldn't that
be harder because it doesn't have to be like a
more personal, in person thing to really fall under and
to really be letting yourself go how it works. I
feel like the online wouldn't be as easy to achieve.
Is that correct? Or is it it's a person.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'm missing No, No, I mean you're you're definitely I
think that a lot of people have that same that
same perspective of it. And there is something about being
in person. I will definitely admit that if it at
all possible, in person is what I would get the
most of it.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I guess that is what the words I was looking
for for someone to get the most out of your
treatment offers.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That would be something about the energy, right Like in person,
there's there's a different energy. But that being said, there
is also some really good pros to online in some ways,
like people can do it in the comfort of their home.
There's also thinking of it this way, like if you're
let's say, for an example, there's a client that has
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a lot of stress at home. This is probably a
very typical situation, but let's say somebody does that right
and they get the help that they need, well, they're
in their home. It could actually connect better sometimes because
they're making the change in the environment. So there is
that to it as well, and now, there's there's no
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perfect way. What I would say is that you want
to get you want to do it whatever way you
need to. Right like right now, I've had clients online
pretty much all week. As you know, I have so
much snow. Yeah, yeah, I just made it to the
clinic today the first time this week.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Really you're going to yeah, because it's that's ye.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So I just switched everybody online pretty much. I'd say
there was a few clients that we were scheduled, but
most people just went online because the even though it
might not be the same, it's going to still be
beneficial and they might actually get something better online than
they did in person. So there's there's no right or wrong.
(14:25):
It really just is making it work whatever way it
needs to, whatever way it needs to.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's good to hear. So let's say someone like me,
like let's say Johnny, nobody walks through the front doors.
They've not been referred. They just see your clinic, like
they see the physical building and they want to know
what that's about, if that can help them, And they
walk in and they have questions what are I'm sure
you've had clients like that. How do how do you
address them? And then what's if you can without giving
personal details about everyone's different too, how does it work
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once they're in the clinic and actually have sessions like
is it one or two sessions? Is it multiple? Overtime?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
How that actually worked? And that's some bolts of it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, So first of all, yes, I have lots of
clients come in that are just off the street because
they saw the sign, and that's great. And what I
would always what we always start here with is asking
first of all what they want to change? Right, we
need to know what it is that they want help with.
Then what we always do is book of free screening,
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And so this is a free screening that allows us
to sit down for thirty to forty five minutes and
actually talk about what's going on to see if it
is a good fit. I also always will do a
suggestibility test to see how well they follow directions, because
hypnosis actually is all about suggestibility, physical and emotional suggestibility.
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So a good example of that would be like watching
a movie. If you've ever watched a movie and you
cry when it's sad, has that happened to you?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah? Too many times?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah? Me too? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Around with me, I was like why do I commercials yeah, music.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, or if it's funny and you laugh out loud
and you feel you know.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Always emotional responses that we just you know, hyper granted
because they're just there, right, and.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
We actually logically know that the movie isn't real, right,
we know it's an actor on screen, but we try
it on right, so we know that that's that's actually
considered a hypnotic like state. So what we want to
do in the clinic is do some testing to see
how well people are responding to suggestions, and as they
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do that, that shows us if this would be a
good fit for them, because what we're doing is hypnotists
is suggesting for them to go the direction that they
want to go. Uh. The other thing we do in
the clinic is we show people a ton of you know,
different people's experiences. On my back wall here, I have
you know, people's testimonials. I have binders and binders of them,
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because we want to make sure that people are hearing
it from other clients, not just what I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Seeing you yeah, just the staff exactly. Like, of course
you're gonna promote what you do, because that's your job
to do that, but they want to hear from real
people with real stories who have been there. Right, that
makes perfect sense. Yeah, like any review of any business too,
But this for sure because people are I'm assuming people
that come in, like I said, off the street are nervous,
not sure what to do, and I'd be the same.
I'm like, Wow, do I want to be here? And
what do you offering me? And how much does it
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gonna Like is it really going to work? I guess
people would ask that question, is this really? Is this
for real? You know what I mean. I'm just gonna
put it out there.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, for sure, right, because it seems like some people
see it as like this hokey thing. Yeah, I magine
and I totally get it right, Like I think that
when I was younger, if somebody said hypnosis, I would
think of the like the watch with the spinning thing
and yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, exactly like you will do this. I'm not trying
to make fun of what you're doing, but people might
think off the street, right, And that goes back to
something you said earlier. If I can go back for
a second, you mentioned your friend first told you about this.
Did you have that reaction? Were they involved in it?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
What was your first reaction when you heard that, You're like, wow,
you know at.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The time, Now that I think about it, though, at
the time, chat I think that I was in a
state where I had experienced enough different things with like energy,
things like reiki or you know, just like I had
opened my mind to some different things. At the time,
I wouldn't say that I'd gone too far that way
where I, you know, was I wasn't decorating my room
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with like moons and stars or anything like that, and like, I,
you know, I love people that do that in crystmas
and all that, and that's awesome, but I'm I'm just
like I I've always been more of the analytical side
or the right so, but I was starting to open
up my mind to how there is something to what's
going on outside of what we can see, right, There's
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something to our subconscious there's so I think I was
a little bit more open to it to just try
it and and uh, you know, have fun with it
instead of thinking that I had to pick it apart
at that time. But that was you know, if it
had gone earlier than that, I might have been like, no,
I don't want people to brainwash me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, yeah, something. Yeah, you don't understand something, you just
like write it off. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, right, and and you know what, to that point,
I'll say that a lot of times you have to
trust that if something's coming to you, it's because you're
ready for it. And and so I hope that that,
you know, is what was happening for me, at least
it seems like it was. Is that I was ready
to explore that and that's when it came into my
you know, my world.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
M hm, No, it's good to hear. It's good to hear.
So do you are you doing it yourself? Do you
have a team of staff that, uh, that work with you?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Since you built this up into too you know, two
play two clinics? Do you are you? Are you mostly
a one woman show? Like how does it work on
a day to day basis there?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah? I am mostly a one woman show. I have
I have had people work with me, and I am
supposed to have somebody starting in January. So mostly it's
just me. There is there is some people that I
can call on if I need help, but yeah, it
is mostly me and I just try to schedule my
life to make it work in the way that it can.
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So some days are busier than others, and sometimes I
have to schedule like downtime and yeah, but you know what,
it's it's totally different when you're having fun with something, right, Like,
it's totally different when you actually are it's not boring
and that that makes a big difference. So every client
I see is kind of like, you know, a new thing.
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I know, I don't know what I'm going into, and
I'm also learning a ton about myself each and every
person I see too, So yeah, it's like a really
kind of a cool way of working. Quote end quote.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, well, it's definitely work because you do go to
a clinic. You do get up every day for most
days and you go and you actually spend time in
a real building place except when you have online but
for the most part is working because you're there every
day and I assume Monday and Friday or maybe you're
open weekends as well too, but you're always you're always
there doing that. So it's very fulfilling.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yes, yeah, it actually is. So I think that, you know,
I'm lucky to have found something that gives me purpose
because I have it had many, many, many many jobs
where it was just like mundane and trying to just
watch the clock and I know you have to yeah,
and that will do just kidding right, well, you know yeah,
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And it's not to say everything's rose is you know
that's never going to be the case. But I'm I'm
of the I'm of the position of if you have
eighty eighty eighty five percent that you love, then fifteen
or twenty percent is just just the way that you need.
You know that it has to be because it can
never be right.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Right Exactly when you first got into this, did you
have your family supports I mean, you're you're married now,
your husband, you're I'm sure he supports something you do.
But your your parents, your family, did they understand what
you were doing? Did they get behind you? Were they
question questioning it? How did that kind of what kind
of spport did you have or lock there have go
around yeah, around you?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, good question. So I think that you know, people
were supportive, but they were unsure. They were they you know,
they they they had the same as other people where
it was like hypnosis, like is.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
This a real thing? Is that's a real Okay, It's
almost like you wanted to say, I'm going to be
a magician or a stand up comment or a podcaster. Yeah,
these things aren't real.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, And and so the good thing about about my
family is they were already used to me doing things
outside of the norm. Like in my early twenties, I
went and worked on a cruise ship for a year.
You know, I I was always kind of looking for
things to you know, would skydive, I would, you know,
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I would just I would look for things.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Fun, little bit of a challenge.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You Yeah, yes, I always wanted to have challenges. So
that was I think they were they were. It didn't
surprise them as much as maybe it would have if
I hadn't already done all these kind of crazy things.
But they definitely didn't really understand it. And even for
my husband, who was my boyfriend at the time, he
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was very supportive, but it was like it was like
we were on two different levels for a few For
probably about a year, I'd say where I was learning
all these awesome things, and I wanted to share him,
and I wanted him to like come and like learn
as I had learned, but he hadn't learned them. So
I was almost like expecting him to get it, even
though he hadn't gone through what I had, so there
(23:29):
was a transition period as well. And now you know,
he's come to courses with me for neural linguistics and
he's done things with me, so he gets it a
lot better, which is great for our relationship. But in
the beginning, yeah, it took a little bit of like
me having to step back and be like, listen to Maara,
he's not he didn't go to the class with you.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
He doesn't know, right, just taking in the information that
you give him. Whatever you do from the classes, you
come home with that and tell him. I assume he
was there before you decided to get into this. He was, oh, yeah,
your boyfriend. So then he saw you decide I'm going
to try this, and at the time he was probably
like what.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, he probably thought it was like it to be
a phase and I was.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Gonna I'll let you ride this out and just pretends
like another cruise ship for a year and then come
back when you're done. But I think he was very well,
does he know that thing?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's it. I think he was very happy that it
did work out, though, because I was happier, and you know,
the money I was making was better and you know,
all of that good stuff. But yeah, at the beginning,
it was a little overwhelming for both of us because
I was, you know, just spewing all this stuff that
I was learning and he was just caught, you know,
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didn't know what to do with it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So exactly, well he's on board now, so that's good,
and you have the support basically now that people have
seen you your family. Of course, I've seen you. You got
two not one, but two businesses open. I mean they
can see that's not just a phase. It's not actually
and it's not not successful too, obviously, it's something that's
become something that supports you and it's a it's a
full thing. So they can see that your intuition was
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right and you chose the right path that works for
you clearly.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah. Yeah, and you know, they they often want to
come to me for help, Like I have a lot
of family in friends.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I was going to ask question too, too, is like
have you ever they said, oh, do like for the
back of a better tim like do me or do
it on me or try me? Or can you help me?
I should say can? I'm sure you got family and
people close to you asking me that question. Is it
like other things like when you're like a doctor or
a nurse or something, or a lawyer, you can't help family.
Is it kind of like that, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It does make it more difficult most of the time
because the dynamics are off. It doesn't it doesn't mean
you can't. You just have to be really really clear
that when we're wearing these hats, were.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
This it just like you don't know, It's like, you're
not my wife, you're not my daughter, you're not whatever
you're saying. You come here if you really want to
help you and you really want to take it seriously,
you don't know me personally, Yeah, I guess is the
way to think if they really want to.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, exactly exactly, because otherwise you're murkying up the effectiveness
because the you know, the mind is going to looking
at you as a daughter or a friend or not
taking the the position of where you know, we're we
have an outcome. You got to kind of like there
(26:15):
there is there is a bit of surrender into willing
to agree and and all of that. Right, So it
is hard for.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
A lot of people, which is the which is the
point actually, but that's hard for people to let go
of that control or get out of their own mind,
get out of their own way, which is the point.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
But yeah, that's exactly difficult. Yeah, yeah, but that's that's
why I have a job.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So exactly, if people were.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
All good at this, I wouldn't be doing this exactly.
But yeah, when it comes to family, that's a little
bit tricky.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah for sure. And that's what the screening process, like
you mentioned before, is about too, because some people, I
guess you probably can't or won't be able to work
with because they just don't let themselves go. I guess.
So I guess talk to me about your screening process.
What have you seen that where people are just don't
a good fit for your for what you do? Like
what happened then? Basically, like what do you see people
that maybe doesn't make them a good fit when they
(27:04):
when they don't pass the screening.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, So there's a couple of things I'm looking for.
One is if it's a if it's a mental or
a medical issue then like mental health. Yeah, Like if
it's actually something that's a diagnosed thing, I don't I'm
not going to touch that. If it's a physical thing
like somebody's coming I do pain management with hypnosis, and
(27:28):
if it's somebody coming for pain management, I also want
to make sure I'm getting like a doctor's referral with that,
because I want to make sure we're all on the
same page. But sometimes when it comes to people that
you know are just everyday people that that are coming
in for a free screening, I am looking for sincerity.
I want to make sure that they're actually sincere about
getting help. That is a huge thing, because if you're
(27:50):
not sincere, you might start for a little bit and
then get distracted or whatever. Right, but I want to
make sure that this is important enough. I also have
people that are being forced in by their spouses, right, right, like.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Good hypnosis so you can love me more.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, usually it's for like something like smoking or right,
so quitting smoking.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
And the sounds like it's never set up to work.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
No, it won't want to. As soon as they come in,
I'm like, well, why are you here, and they're like,
my wife made me. I'm like, well, I.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Want to stop smoking. This isn't This isn't a rehab clinic.
This isn't to stop smoking clinic. There's clinics for that. Actually,
this ain't it?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
So well, we help people stop smoking.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh do okay?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, we that's a big part of it.
But if it's they're being forced in by their spouse,
that doesn't work, not going to work, right, So yeah,
we help people with losing weight, stopping smoking, sleep management.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
You have a whole lot of You have a really
multi faceted clinic there that helps out with a lot
of you know, people's issues or trying to get the
better healthier life too, which is great. Wow, it's good
to hear.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, so you know, but if they're coming in and
they don't really want to be here, that's something I'm
looking for also, if you know, sometimes just as human beings,
we're not a good fit. And I'm okay with that
right like and and if that's the case, where I
think hypnosis would still help them, but I feel like
it's just the energy between me and the person is
(29:12):
just not going the way. Well for whatever reason, maybe
I remind them of their aunt or whatever. I'm going
to refer them to another colleague and usually you know
that that's a good way for them to still get
the help they need. But yeah, it's it's just because,
to be honest, the hypnosis part of it starts usually
before they even walk in the door. It usually starts
(29:34):
with the advertisement they saw, or the friends they talked
to or what have you. I should say, yeah, and uh,
this so the free screening is is really just it's
not just for me, it's for them too, so that
we can make sure that we're like, you're facing the
same direction.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah. No, that's probably a good way to, uh to
state it, because that makes sense that you're both in
the same path, you're both facing same direction. That's great.
I love that. That's great.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not here to tell anyone what to
do or not do. I'm just here to help.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Them go with the way they want or be part
of them being forced to attend this place I guess
some kind of like rehab treatment.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah. Yeah, when they come in and tell me that,
I kind of so I got to be here.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So what are you going to do to get those
over with? Yeah? How long is it going to take?
Stop smoking? Great man?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, and so that's a good point. Actually, I'm glad
you brought that up, because something to really note is that, Yeah,
like I mentioned earlier, it is all self hypnosis. So
the people are the ones doing it. I'm just helping
guide them. So when people are that's another thing I'm
looking for is if they're thinking that I'm going to
make them, you know, stop doing whatever it is. And
(30:47):
to be honest, we're all like little kids and tall bodies.
So if I were to go, don't eat junk food,
you're gonna want to do it more right, I'll show you. Yeah,
yeah that hypnotist damah. So yeah, we don't want we
don't want that dynamic. We don't want that to be
the way that it's going. We want it to be
like excitement about getting where they want.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And this is going to sound like a lame question,
but how does it actually work? Like I in my head,
it's not the it's not the Stopwatch. You're not sitting
there with the Stopwatch going back and forth. It'll be
funny if you were. But what is? What is it?
Can you tell me what actually you do in the treatment?
Like how do you relax them and how do you
actually make it work? How do you put them under?
Can you discuss any of that?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, Like I'll give you a I'll give you kind
of a broad or a general because to be honest,
there's so many intricacies of what's going on that don't
really matter. It's kind of like hydro. You know, you
just know you're going to hit the light switch and
it's going to go on, right. Yeah, So and everyone
is different and every time is different. So there's a
law going on internally that has nothing to do with me, right,
(31:52):
I'm just kind of guiding. But there the client is
doing what they need to do inside. But we are
doing we're a couple of things. We're doing relaxation techniques.
So we're doing inductions, which is to calm the conscious mind.
And the reason that we want to do that is
because the conscious mind is really in the way most
(32:14):
of the time and in the big picture of things,
when you think about what's running the show, the subconscious
is over ninety percent.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The subconscious handles like, think of all the things you
don't have to think about. You don't have to think
about breathing, blinking, driving, walking, blood cells moving through your body, organ.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Working for you to keep you doing the things you
do think about. Yeah, that's amazing, that's true.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Right, So we want to get to that subconscious level,
you know, as much as we can without the conscious
mind worrying and judging and comparing and all that stuff.
So we're relaxing the clients, we're also doing, you know,
often techniques of sometimes distraction or confusion. Confusion's awesome. If
(33:02):
you're in confusion, you're learning way more than when you're not. Yeah,
So i'll tell you quickly just a little bit like
what I usually will tell clients with this idea is
that the conscious mind. So there's something called the critical faculty,
which is in the front of your brain, and it
isn't developed until about the age of five or six.
And before the age of five or six, you will
(33:24):
say things like Pischetti, and you'll try to walk and
fall on your butt, and you'll do all kinds of things,
and you won't think anything of it. You'll just keep
trying and keep trying. Right, you don't go, oh my god,
don't look at me, Right, I did the wrong thing.
Around the age of five or six is when we
develop this, and that's when we start to be able
to see differences between us and other people. SOW. What
(33:45):
I like to call this part is actually kind of
like the bouncer of a bar. So let's say there's
a bouncer at the bar, but you forgot your ID,
so you got to get in without your ID.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I don't look gold enough.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
No, you definitely don't. Right, they're not letting you in.
So we want to we use hypnosis in ways, Like,
there's three ways we use it for this. One is relaxation,
so we do inductions and we have the person relax
and then we can sneak the suggestions in. The second
way is distraction, so hey, look over here to the bouncer,
(34:18):
and then we sneak the suggestions in.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
The third way is confusion. Right, if we have them
confused and thinking, the critical faculty is confused and we
can sneak the suggestions in. So that being said, know
that the person is generally aware the entire time, so
if there was an emergency, they would come out. It's
kind of like an in between a sleep and a
wake feeling.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You know, their eyes are open, they can talk to you.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, no, their eyes are usually closed. They I mean
we open them maybe for a second and then close them,
but usually it's just like you know that in between
a sleep and a wake feeling. Have you ever been
like almost falling asleep and then you right, you're that
in between That is it Oka, so that that in
between a sleep and awake is a general way I
(35:04):
would describe the feeling of hypnosis. If there was an emergency,
you would come out of it. Otherwise you can just
choose to keep relaxing and keep you know, you lose
track of time often, right, there's a lot of fun
things going on. But what we're what we're really doing
is putting in suggestions that the person wants. And if
it was a suggestion the person didn't want, they would
(35:26):
just be able to discard it.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Okay, okay, So that you know that, would you know
it's something they don't want and they would just or
would I.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Might be able to read it depending on their body language.
That's usually how when I'm doing suggestions I can. I'm
I'm watching for the physical changes to see if they're
incongruent or if they're in rapport with what I'm saying,
or if they're not, then I'm just going to switch
the suggestions a bit and right. So, but sometimes people
don't even remember, you know, a lot of it because
(35:56):
they're in that in between. It's it's like I said,
it's kind of like hydro.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You just you just turn on the light it's magic.
When it comes all back to magic, it's just the lights.
It works. I paid the bill and that's how magic works.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, pretty much right.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, with the time, it's we're going to run out
of time here, as you can see on the zoom thing.
So I want to get people to know where they
can find you. And they we met on Instagram, so
you have a lot of cool things going on there.
Didn't even get a chance to touch really on that.
Your live videos that you do, the motivational stuff you
do on there, which is great. It's not all about
promoting your business. It's about promoting you too, which is great.
So people get to know you as a person then
(36:30):
maybe want to follow what you do. So people want
to look for you. Obviously, if they're in list of
well or Kitchener, they can go to your physical brick
and mortar business, it's right there. But people want to
find you online or Instagram or websites work and people
find you.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, So I'll just kind of stick with the list
Tool Hypnosis just because it's a little bit easier. So
we are on Instagram, so it's under there's a page
called list Tool Hypnosis dot on Instagram. Then there's also Facebook,
which is list to a hypnosis I have. We have
a website www dot listalle hypnosis dot com. You know that.
(37:07):
I think those are the main ones. If you, you know,
wanted to follow my personal it's Tamara r M. Swedo.
But yeah, yeah, I'm we're kinda we have a few
different ways.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
That's good to hear. It's good to hear. Yeah, people
definitely check that out. And of course, like you said,
you're online, so people not just so all over Canada,
all over the world can get in touch with you
if they need to that you're available. It's not just
Canada only or that or that section of Ontario only.
They can find you and they can seek some help
as long as not being forced to or told to.
They can if you're if you're willing and able, definitely
(37:39):
reach out to Tamara and she can help guide you
in the direction maybe you want to go.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Awesome, Yes, please do. Yeah, we'll see if it's a
good fit.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
For sure, Tomara, it's been awesome. I can't wait to
have another conversation with you and get into more stuff.
But for now, this is a good little intro into
who you are and what you do. So I'm glad
we had this time.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, thanks for having me. That was a black I
had a great time. And yeah, we'll do a part
two for some more of hypnosis and other health things
that would be fun.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I love it. Thanks tomorrow, Thanks, have a good night.
You've been listening to the Nobody's or Somebody's podcast with
Chadvice and this podcast has been voted as the number
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Nobodies are somebodies.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's the Nobody's or somebody's podcast. It's me Chadvice. Welcome
to a holiday episode on Christmas or around that time.
I appreciate you checking out the podcast listening to the show.
I'm thankful on this Christmas season. I'm thankful for many things.
I'm definitely thankful for my children not having to pick
them up at school. That's an amazing thing. Seriously, what
(00:24):
am I in school? Of us.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
This car?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We're not gonna have a fun conversation here with Tamara. Tamara,
whose last name I tried not to butcher in a
commercial I did for her, which is a little bit
of a backstory, the behind the curtain, peel back the
curtain of the podcast. I did a little commercial for
her business, for Listawell Hypnosis, which is in Listawell, Ontario, Canada.
So I tried to say her name, Say my names,
(00:57):
say my name. I had it as a suato tamarasweeto
sweet o sweet to sweet o sweto. I tried a
million times. But all you need to know about sweet
o sweto, sweet o sweet Tamara is that it's a
great conversation and we're about to get into it. Right now.
I appreciate her coming on the podcast and sharing some
of her story. Of course, you only had several minutes
(01:19):
on zoom to do that, but it's a good intro
about Tamara. Glad to connect with her on Instagram like
I did, which we did by liking each other's posts
and following and then getting to know one another and
realizing she has a business and I have a passion
for podcasting, and she has a passion for hypnosis, but
you do. You don't need to be hypnotized to want
(01:39):
to listen to this show, So let's do it now.
It's Tamara here on the Nobody's Are Somebody's Podcast with
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(02:00):
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visit sebcamcode dot com for more info on the podcast.
That's my website, which is about to be redone over
(02:21):
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I'm gonna revamp the website. But all the information you
need is there sebcamcode dot com. Check it out, and
check out Tamara at listowell Hypnosis dot com and check
out her conversation right now, now, now, now, Okay, here
(02:45):
we go.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, so you got your Christmas tree behind you there.
That's really nice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I love mine, but it looks nice. It's it does
the job. Nice tree. YEAHSTI No, I need some presents.
Someone's gonna give me some gifts. Yeah, still waiting, intent intent,
still waiting. Okay, let's start this up. So all right,
it's the nobody's or somebody's podcast. It's me Chad Advice.
I'm talking to Tamara, a certified hypnotist and much much more.
(03:12):
But that's not how I met her. I met her
through Instagram how and why. It was just so random
because we were just, you know, liking each other's posts,
like that's what's supposed to happen on Instagram. But I'm
anxious to find out more about you and your story
and hear about wells things I don't know which I'm
sure there's a few. So here we are, Tamara, how
are you?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm good? Thanks for having me. This is exciting. I
love sharing sharing the stories.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Have you done a lot of podcasts talking about your
what you do?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah? Yeah, you know, I have done, maybe not as
much as I as I should or could, but I
definitely don't shy away from sharing as much as I
can about this awesome modality.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, for sure. So I want to hear about I
guess obviously what brought you to that you were in
your life and your career before that. So take me
all the way back, I guess to the start. What
were you doing in a previous life, because I've only
ever known you doing this job and all the projects
you have and things you have going on now. So
where does Tamara's story kind of start?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah? You know, So I did not grow up in
a very health conscious family. It was like we didn't
even drink water. It was like water was for showering.
But in my early twenties, I started working at a
fitness club and that was in my mind, that's where
things started to go that direction. So I was working
(04:39):
at the front desk, you know, just like I think
they were called csrs back then or whatever it was.
And I actually got promoted to a general manager within
about a year and a half and to know what
I was doing. But anyways, that was the theme. That
was the theme for a bit where I was in
that gym, vibe in that gym environment. So there was
a lot of health but it was mostly about physical
health right then. I just always had my finger on
(05:04):
the pulse with it. So I, you know, in between
there and where I am now, I went through some
different avenues with you know, I went back to school
for human resources. I was a server. I actually went
back to the gym as a as a service a
customer service rep. While I was in school. Anyways, there
was just a whole bunch of I was just trying
(05:25):
to figure things out. Anyway. After about you know, a
couple of years of that, maybe five years of that,
I was talking to a friend of mine and I
was having some issues and she mentioned hypnosis, and little
did I know that that was going to take me
on this you know, roller coaster of a whole new world.
But she mentioned it and I just looked into it
(05:47):
and I went to a hypnotist where I was living
at the time, which was in Waterloo, and I loved it.
Within like two or three sessions, I felt a huge
shift and it just really opened my eyes to how
much is how much we need to really pay attention
to what's going on up here as well as physical fitness.
(06:10):
So yeah, so then.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I, uh, you know, got you're talking about your mind,
so people don't Yeah. Yeah, so you're talking about what's
going on up here, like where is that like upstairs down?
Where is that up there in your mind?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right in your mind.
I forgot people can't see me. So yeah. So then
after that, I ended up looking up, you know, how
to become a hypnotist. I talked to the current hypnotist
I was seeing. She was like, this would be great
for you. I found a school that does it in Burlington. Yeah.
(06:47):
So so then after that we kept I kept kind
of looking for ways of improving my skill. Right. I
went into neuro linguistics programming, which sounds really fancy, but
what that means is neuro is mind linguistics is language
programming is like inputting, So it's it's really essentially using
(07:07):
the language of the mind to help reprogram the way
that you're responding to things. And it's it's really cool
how we can use simple tools to respond differently to things.
And yeah, so I went and got certified for that.
I got into stage hypnosis, which I've talked to you
a little bit about, you know, which which actually makes
(07:30):
a really big difference in helping people because once people
go to a stage show, they start to be a
little more open to the idea of using it for
other things. So, and it's a lot of fun. So yeah,
I've I've owned two clinics. This is my second clinic.
I run two offices. I have one here in one
and one in Wingham. And yeah, it's a it's a blast,
(07:55):
it really really is. So that's kind of my story in.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
A nutshell, the very Oh we're done here, thank you, Yeah,
thanks for having me, thanks for number problem, thanks for
being here. When you say your own two clinics, now,
what was the process for that, Like, did you work
in these clinics before and then they sold them to you?
Did you have to like buying a business. Obviously there's
different factors in that, but how did you make that
step to owning the first one. And obviously he did
(08:18):
the first one first and the second one the second.
He didn't buy them both at the same time. So
talkt me a bit as much as you can about
the process of designed to own these clanks and running
them yourself.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah. So I have a mentor for hypnosis and she
helped a lot. So I had never owned really a
business before, and it is it is a whole other world, right,
So I started them from scratch. The first one I
owned was in Kitchener, and started it from scratch, built
it up. But then I moved out to listool and
(08:51):
I was running both at the same time for a while,
but that just it was a little too much. So
I ended up selling Kitchener, uh and just focusing on
list to aol. And you know, obviously after you've opened one,
the second one goes a little bit easier.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Not I've heard yeah, right, chained businesses. Yeah yeah, you just.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Kind of know, you know, you know what to look for,
you know. And so listool hit the ground like Listool
really blew up quite quickly. Kitchener took a little while
because I was brand new to it all right.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
But uh, and if I'm right, if I know my
town's or something like that. List Well is not a
very big place.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Is it. It's developing a lot, but it's not When
I first moved here, it was a lot smaller. But
it is a small it's not considered a city. I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think it's like a town. But yeah, my question
of that is is there enough business? Like, is there
enough people and they're interested in what you do? Like,
do you find like opening up in a small town?
Was that really going to be I guess obviously maybe
you researched that before knowing that there's a there's a
market for this in in your town.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I would assume, yeah, like you never know what's going
to happen. But I researched enough to look get the
towns around Listool because Listool's kind of the hub, and
I didn't just take the population of Listool. I took
the surrounding areas. And the thing without this in this
area is that people are willing to commute. They're used
(10:18):
to it, right, because there's small towns don't have a lot,
they're used to having to drive. And I mean I
did that with Kitchener as well, but Listoo was different.
Kitchener is much bigger, right, So I get what you're
saying totally.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Is like to make Kitchener would be the hub, the
place where everyone would be, and there'd be more chance
to have people, even people who don't know what you do,
walk by and discover like, oh, there's a hypnosis center.
Should I check that out? Do I need? You know,
there'd be more with passers by, whereas list of well
seems like it'd be like you'd have to know about
it and that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's funny because it's actually the opposite I found, And
I don't know if it's just the office that I
have here, you know, really well, yeah, and people talk
a lot more in you know, there's a lot more
referrals and a lot of people. There's a lot more
of a community kind of where everyone's talking about, you know, things,
And so, yes, both are both have pros and cons
(11:08):
to them, and both are both are awesome. But I
wasn't really sure how it was going to play out
because even getting the research of how many people and
this and that, and seeing that it was worth at
least attempting it, I wasn't sure because you never know
how people are going to respond when you're actually there, right,
But I was very very impressed and happily surprised that
the response was really good. And it continues to grow
(11:31):
out here, and it continues to you know, become more
of a need, especially after COVID and you know all
of this with people needing stress help and and people
wanting to become healthier. And I also offer online so
that may makes things quite It gives a lot of
a lot of options. So I have clients out in
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BC or Quebec, and you know that that does help contract.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, Now to me it seems like and this is
going to show how much I don't know about this
the profession, but this is why we're here to talk
about it too. So to me, who's ever only seen anything,
hypnosis would be something would you you know, the TV,
the stage show, the stuff like that, the stuff you
see for fun whatever. So if somebody, if somebody walks
into your clinic, I can assume they can get you know,
the help they need right there or whatever hypnosis treatment
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you offer. But as far as online goes, wouldn't that
be harder because it doesn't have to be like a
more personal, in person thing to really fall under and
to really be letting yourself go how it works. I
feel like the online wouldn't be as easy to achieve.
Is that correct? Or is it it's a person.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'm missing No, No, I mean you're you're definitely I
think that a lot of people have that same that
same perspective of it. And there is something about being
in person. I will definitely admit that if it at
all possible, in person is what I would get the
most of it.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I guess that is what the words I was looking
for for someone to get the most out of your
treatment offers.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That would be something about the energy, right Like in person,
there's there's a different energy. But that being said, there
is also some really good pros to online in some ways,
like people can do it in the comfort of their home.
There's also thinking of it this way, like if you're
let's say, for an example, there's a client that has
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a lot of stress at home. This is probably a
very typical situation, but let's say somebody does that right
and they get the help that they need, well, they're
in their home. It could actually connect better sometimes because
they're making the change in the environment. So there is
that to it as well, and now, there's there's no
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perfect way. What I would say is that you want
to get you want to do it whatever way you
need to. Right like right now, I've had clients online
pretty much all week. As you know, I have so
much snow. Yeah, yeah, I just made it to the
clinic today the first time this week.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Really you're going to yeah, because it's that's ye.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So I just switched everybody online pretty much. I'd say
there was a few clients that we were scheduled, but
most people just went online because the even though it
might not be the same, it's going to still be
beneficial and they might actually get something better online than
they did in person. So there's there's no right or wrong.
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It really just is making it work whatever way it
needs to, whatever way it needs to.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's good to hear. So let's say someone like me,
like let's say Johnny, nobody walks through the front doors.
They've not been referred. They just see your clinic, like
they see the physical building and they want to know
what that's about, if that can help them, And they
walk in and they have questions what are I'm sure
you've had clients like that. How do how do you
address them? And then what's if you can without giving
personal details about everyone's different too, how does it work
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once they're in the clinic and actually have sessions like
is it one or two sessions? Is it multiple? Overtime?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
How that actually worked? And that's some bolts of it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, So first of all, yes, I have lots of
clients come in that are just off the street because
they saw the sign, and that's great. And what I
would always what we always start here with is asking
first of all what they want to change? Right, we
need to know what it is that they want help with.
Then what we always do is book of free screening,
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And so this is a free screening that allows us
to sit down for thirty to forty five minutes and
actually talk about what's going on to see if it
is a good fit. I also always will do a
suggestibility test to see how well they follow directions, because
hypnosis actually is all about suggestibility, physical and emotional suggestibility.
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So a good example of that would be like watching
a movie. If you've ever watched a movie and you
cry when it's sad, has that happened to you?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah? Too many times?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah? Me too? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Around with me, I was like why do I commercials yeah, music.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, or if it's funny and you laugh out loud
and you feel you know.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Always emotional responses that we just you know, hyper granted
because they're just there, right, and.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
We actually logically know that the movie isn't real, right,
we know it's an actor on screen, but we try
it on right, so we know that that's that's actually
considered a hypnotic like state. So what we want to
do in the clinic is do some testing to see
how well people are responding to suggestions, and as they
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do that, that shows us if this would be a
good fit for them, because what we're doing is hypnotists
is suggesting for them to go the direction that they
want to go. Uh. The other thing we do in
the clinic is we show people a ton of you know,
different people's experiences. On my back wall here, I have
you know, people's testimonials. I have binders and binders of them,
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because we want to make sure that people are hearing
it from other clients, not just what I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Seeing you yeah, just the staff exactly. Like, of course
you're gonna promote what you do, because that's your job
to do that, but they want to hear from real
people with real stories who have been there. Right, that
makes perfect sense. Yeah, like any review of any business too,
But this for sure because people are I'm assuming people
that come in, like I said, off the street are nervous,
not sure what to do, and I'd be the same.
I'm like, Wow, do I want to be here? And
what do you offering me? And how much does it
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gonna Like is it really going to work? I guess
people would ask that question, is this really? Is this
for real? You know what I mean. I'm just gonna
put it out there.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, for sure, right, because it seems like some people
see it as like this hokey thing. Yeah, I magine
and I totally get it right, Like I think that
when I was younger, if somebody said hypnosis, I would
think of the like the watch with the spinning thing
and yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, exactly like you will do this. I'm not trying
to make fun of what you're doing, but people might
think off the street, right, And that goes back to
something you said earlier. If I can go back for
a second, you mentioned your friend first told you about this.
Did you have that reaction? Were they involved in it?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
What was your first reaction when you heard that, You're like, wow,
you know at.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The time, Now that I think about it, though, at
the time, chat I think that I was in a
state where I had experienced enough different things with like energy,
things like reiki or you know, just like I had
opened my mind to some different things. At the time,
I wouldn't say that I'd gone too far that way
where I, you know, was I wasn't decorating my room
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with like moons and stars or anything like that, and like, I,
you know, I love people that do that in crystmas
and all that, and that's awesome, but I'm I'm just
like I I've always been more of the analytical side
or the right so, but I was starting to open
up my mind to how there is something to what's
going on outside of what we can see, right, There's
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something to our subconscious there's so I think I was
a little bit more open to it to just try
it and and uh, you know, have fun with it
instead of thinking that I had to pick it apart
at that time. But that was you know, if it
had gone earlier than that, I might have been like, no,
I don't want people to brainwash me or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, yeah, something. Yeah, you don't understand something, you just
like write it off. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, right, and and you know what, to that point,
I'll say that a lot of times you have to
trust that if something's coming to you, it's because you're
ready for it. And and so I hope that that,
you know, is what was happening for me, at least
it seems like it was. Is that I was ready
to explore that and that's when it came into my
you know, my world.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
M hm, No, it's good to hear. It's good to hear.
So do you are you doing it yourself? Do you
have a team of staff that, uh, that work with you?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Since you built this up into too you know, two
play two clinics? Do you are you? Are you mostly
a one woman show? Like how does it work on
a day to day basis there?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah? I am mostly a one woman show. I have
I have had people work with me, and I am
supposed to have somebody starting in January. So mostly it's
just me. There is there is some people that I
can call on if I need help, but yeah, it
is mostly me and I just try to schedule my
life to make it work in the way that it can.
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So some days are busier than others, and sometimes I
have to schedule like downtime and yeah, but you know what,
it's it's totally different when you're having fun with something, right, Like,
it's totally different when you actually are it's not boring
and that that makes a big difference. So every client
I see is kind of like, you know, a new thing.
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I know, I don't know what I'm going into, and
I'm also learning a ton about myself each and every
person I see too, So yeah, it's like a really
kind of a cool way of working. Quote end quote.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, well, it's definitely work because you do go to
a clinic. You do get up every day for most
days and you go and you actually spend time in
a real building place except when you have online but
for the most part is working because you're there every
day and I assume Monday and Friday or maybe you're
open weekends as well too, but you're always you're always
there doing that. So it's very fulfilling.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yes, yeah, it actually is. So I think that, you know,
I'm lucky to have found something that gives me purpose
because I have it had many, many, many many jobs
where it was just like mundane and trying to just
watch the clock and I know you have to yeah,
and that will do just kidding right, well, you know yeah,
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And it's not to say everything's rose is you know
that's never going to be the case. But I'm I'm
of the I'm of the position of if you have
eighty eighty eighty five percent that you love, then fifteen
or twenty percent is just just the way that you need.
You know that it has to be because it can
never be right.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Right Exactly when you first got into this, did you
have your family supports I mean, you're you're married now,
your husband, you're I'm sure he supports something you do.
But your your parents, your family, did they understand what
you were doing? Did they get behind you? Were they
question questioning it? How did that kind of what kind
of spport did you have or lock there have go
around yeah, around you?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, good question. So I think that you know, people
were supportive, but they were unsure. They were they you know,
they they they had the same as other people where
it was like hypnosis, like is.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
This a real thing? Is that's a real Okay, It's
almost like you wanted to say, I'm going to be
a magician or a stand up comment or a podcaster. Yeah,
these things aren't real.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, And and so the good thing about about my
family is they were already used to me doing things
outside of the norm. Like in my early twenties, I
went and worked on a cruise ship for a year.
You know, I I was always kind of looking for
things to you know, would skydive, I would, you know,
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I would just I would look for things.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Fun, little bit of a challenge.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You Yeah, yes, I always wanted to have challenges. So
that was I think they were they were. It didn't
surprise them as much as maybe it would have if
I hadn't already done all these kind of crazy things.
But they definitely didn't really understand it. And even for
my husband, who was my boyfriend at the time, he
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was very supportive, but it was like it was like
we were on two different levels for a few For
probably about a year, I'd say where I was learning
all these awesome things, and I wanted to share him,
and I wanted him to like come and like learn
as I had learned, but he hadn't learned them. So
I was almost like expecting him to get it, even
though he hadn't gone through what I had, so there
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was a transition period as well. And now you know,
he's come to courses with me for neural linguistics and
he's done things with me, so he gets it a
lot better, which is great for our relationship. But in
the beginning, yeah, it took a little bit of like
me having to step back and be like, listen to Maara,
he's not he didn't go to the class with you.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
He doesn't know, right, just taking in the information that
you give him. Whatever you do from the classes, you
come home with that and tell him. I assume he
was there before you decided to get into this. He was, oh, yeah,
your boyfriend. So then he saw you decide I'm going
to try this, and at the time he was probably
like what.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, he probably thought it was like it to be
a phase and I was.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Gonna I'll let you ride this out and just pretends
like another cruise ship for a year and then come
back when you're done. But I think he was very well,
does he know that thing?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's it. I think he was very happy that it
did work out, though, because I was happier, and you know,
the money I was making was better and you know,
all of that good stuff. But yeah, at the beginning,
it was a little overwhelming for both of us because
I was, you know, just spewing all this stuff that
I was learning and he was just caught, you know,
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didn't know what to do with it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So exactly, well he's on board now, so that's good,
and you have the support basically now that people have
seen you your family. Of course, I've seen you. You got
two not one, but two businesses open. I mean they
can see that's not just a phase. It's not actually
and it's not not successful too, obviously, it's something that's
become something that supports you and it's a it's a
full thing. So they can see that your intuition was
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right and you chose the right path that works for
you clearly.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah. Yeah, and you know, they they often want to
come to me for help, Like I have a lot
of family in friends.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I was going to ask question too, too, is like
have you ever they said, oh, do like for the
back of a better tim like do me or do
it on me or try me? Or can you help me?
I should say can? I'm sure you got family and
people close to you asking me that question. Is it
like other things like when you're like a doctor or
a nurse or something, or a lawyer, you can't help family.
Is it kind of like that, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It does make it more difficult most of the time
because the dynamics are off. It doesn't it doesn't mean
you can't. You just have to be really really clear
that when we're wearing these hats, were.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
This it just like you don't know, It's like, you're
not my wife, you're not my daughter, you're not whatever
you're saying. You come here if you really want to
help you and you really want to take it seriously,
you don't know me personally, Yeah, I guess is the
way to think if they really want to.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, exactly exactly, because otherwise you're murkying up the effectiveness
because the you know, the mind is going to looking
at you as a daughter or a friend or not
taking the the position of where you know, we're we
have an outcome. You got to kind of like there
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there is there is a bit of surrender into willing
to agree and and all of that. Right, So it
is hard for.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
A lot of people, which is the which is the
point actually, but that's hard for people to let go
of that control or get out of their own mind,
get out of their own way, which is the point.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
But yeah, that's exactly difficult. Yeah, yeah, but that's that's
why I have a job.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So exactly, if people were.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
All good at this, I wouldn't be doing this exactly.
But yeah, when it comes to family, that's a little
bit tricky.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah for sure. And that's what the screening process, like
you mentioned before, is about too, because some people, I
guess you probably can't or won't be able to work
with because they just don't let themselves go. I guess.
So I guess talk to me about your screening process.
What have you seen that where people are just don't
a good fit for your for what you do? Like
what happened then? Basically, like what do you see people
that maybe doesn't make them a good fit when they
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when they don't pass the screening.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, So there's a couple of things I'm looking for.
One is if it's a if it's a mental or
a medical issue then like mental health. Yeah, Like if
it's actually something that's a diagnosed thing, I don't I'm
not going to touch that. If it's a physical thing
like somebody's coming I do pain management with hypnosis, and
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if it's somebody coming for pain management, I also want
to make sure I'm getting like a doctor's referral with that,
because I want to make sure we're all on the
same page. But sometimes when it comes to people that
you know are just everyday people that that are coming
in for a free screening, I am looking for sincerity.
I want to make sure that they're actually sincere about
getting help. That is a huge thing, because if you're
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not sincere, you might start for a little bit and
then get distracted or whatever. Right, but I want to
make sure that this is important enough. I also have
people that are being forced in by their spouses, right, right, like.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Good hypnosis so you can love me more.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, usually it's for like something like smoking or right,
so quitting smoking.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
And the sounds like it's never set up to work.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
No, it won't want to. As soon as they come in,
I'm like, well, why are you here, and they're like,
my wife made me. I'm like, well, I.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Want to stop smoking. This isn't This isn't a rehab clinic.
This isn't to stop smoking clinic. There's clinics for that. Actually,
this ain't it?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
So well, we help people stop smoking.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh do okay?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, we that's a big part of it.
But if it's they're being forced in by their spouse,
that doesn't work, not going to work, right, So yeah,
we help people with losing weight, stopping smoking, sleep management.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
You have a whole lot of You have a really
multi faceted clinic there that helps out with a lot
of you know, people's issues or trying to get the
better healthier life too, which is great. Wow, it's good
to hear.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, so you know, but if they're coming in and
they don't really want to be here, that's something I'm
looking for also, if you know, sometimes just as human beings,
we're not a good fit. And I'm okay with that
right like and and if that's the case, where I
think hypnosis would still help them, but I feel like
it's just the energy between me and the person is
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just not going the way. Well for whatever reason, maybe
I remind them of their aunt or whatever. I'm going
to refer them to another colleague and usually you know
that that's a good way for them to still get
the help they need. But yeah, it's it's just because,
to be honest, the hypnosis part of it starts usually
before they even walk in the door. It usually starts
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with the advertisement they saw, or the friends they talked
to or what have you. I should say, yeah, and uh,
this so the free screening is is really just it's
not just for me, it's for them too, so that
we can make sure that we're like, you're facing the
same direction.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah. No, that's probably a good way to, uh to
state it, because that makes sense that you're both in
the same path, you're both facing same direction. That's great.
I love that. That's great.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not here to tell anyone what to
do or not do. I'm just here to help.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Them go with the way they want or be part
of them being forced to attend this place I guess
some kind of like rehab treatment.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah. Yeah, when they come in and tell me that,
I kind of so I got to be here.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So what are you going to do to get those
over with? Yeah? How long is it going to take?
Stop smoking? Great man?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, and so that's a good point. Actually, I'm glad
you brought that up, because something to really note is that, Yeah,
like I mentioned earlier, it is all self hypnosis. So
the people are the ones doing it. I'm just helping
guide them. So when people are that's another thing I'm
looking for is if they're thinking that I'm going to
make them, you know, stop doing whatever it is. And
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to be honest, we're all like little kids and tall bodies.
So if I were to go, don't eat junk food,
you're gonna want to do it more right, I'll show you. Yeah,
yeah that hypnotist damah. So yeah, we don't want we
don't want that dynamic. We don't want that to be
the way that it's going. We want it to be
like excitement about getting where they want.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And this is going to sound like a lame question,
but how does it actually work? Like I in my head,
it's not the it's not the Stopwatch. You're not sitting
there with the Stopwatch going back and forth. It'll be
funny if you were. But what is? What is it?
Can you tell me what actually you do in the treatment?
Like how do you relax them and how do you
actually make it work? How do you put them under?
Can you discuss any of that?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, Like I'll give you a I'll give you kind
of a broad or a general because to be honest,
there's so many intricacies of what's going on that don't
really matter. It's kind of like hydro. You know, you
just know you're going to hit the light switch and
it's going to go on, right. Yeah, So and everyone
is different and every time is different. So there's a
law going on internally that has nothing to do with me, right,
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I'm just kind of guiding. But there the client is
doing what they need to do inside. But we are
doing we're a couple of things. We're doing relaxation techniques.
So we're doing inductions, which is to calm the conscious mind.
And the reason that we want to do that is
because the conscious mind is really in the way most
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of the time and in the big picture of things,
when you think about what's running the show, the subconscious
is over ninety percent.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The subconscious handles like, think of all the things you
don't have to think about. You don't have to think
about breathing, blinking, driving, walking, blood cells moving through your body, organ.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Working for you to keep you doing the things you
do think about. Yeah, that's amazing, that's true.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Right, So we want to get to that subconscious level,
you know, as much as we can without the conscious
mind worrying and judging and comparing and all that stuff.
So we're relaxing the clients, we're also doing, you know,
often techniques of sometimes distraction or confusion. Confusion's awesome. If
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you're in confusion, you're learning way more than when you're not. Yeah,
So i'll tell you quickly just a little bit like
what I usually will tell clients with this idea is
that the conscious mind. So there's something called the critical faculty,
which is in the front of your brain, and it
isn't developed until about the age of five or six.
And before the age of five or six, you will
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say things like Pischetti, and you'll try to walk and
fall on your butt, and you'll do all kinds of things,
and you won't think anything of it. You'll just keep
trying and keep trying. Right, you don't go, oh my god,
don't look at me, Right, I did the wrong thing.
Around the age of five or six is when we
develop this, and that's when we start to be able
to see differences between us and other people. SOW. What
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I like to call this part is actually kind of
like the bouncer of a bar. So let's say there's
a bouncer at the bar, but you forgot your ID,
so you got to get in without your ID.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I don't look gold enough.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
No, you definitely don't. Right, they're not letting you in.
So we want to we use hypnosis in ways, Like,
there's three ways we use it for this. One is relaxation,
so we do inductions and we have the person relax
and then we can sneak the suggestions in. The second
way is distraction, so hey, look over here to the bouncer,
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and then we sneak the suggestions in.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
The third way is confusion. Right, if we have them
confused and thinking, the critical faculty is confused and we
can sneak the suggestions in. So that being said, know
that the person is generally aware the entire time, so
if there was an emergency, they would come out. It's
kind of like an in between a sleep and a
wake feeling.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
You know, their eyes are open, they can talk to you.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, no, their eyes are usually closed. They I mean
we open them maybe for a second and then close them,
but usually it's just like you know that in between
a sleep and a wake feeling. Have you ever been
like almost falling asleep and then you right, you're that
in between That is it Oka, so that that in
between a sleep and awake is a general way I
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would describe the feeling of hypnosis. If there was an emergency,
you would come out of it. Otherwise you can just
choose to keep relaxing and keep you know, you lose
track of time often, right, there's a lot of fun
things going on. But what we're what we're really doing
is putting in suggestions that the person wants. And if
it was a suggestion the person didn't want, they would
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just be able to discard it.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Okay, okay, So that you know that, would you know
it's something they don't want and they would just or
would I.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Might be able to read it depending on their body language.
That's usually how when I'm doing suggestions I can. I'm
I'm watching for the physical changes to see if they're
incongruent or if they're in rapport with what I'm saying,
or if they're not, then I'm just going to switch
the suggestions a bit and right. So, but sometimes people
don't even remember, you know, a lot of it because
(35:56):
they're in that in between. It's it's like I said,
it's kind of like hydro.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You just you just turn on the light it's magic.
When it comes all back to magic, it's just the lights.
It works. I paid the bill and that's how magic works.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, pretty much right.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, with the time, it's we're going to run out
of time here, as you can see on the zoom thing.
So I want to get people to know where they
can find you. And they we met on Instagram, so
you have a lot of cool things going on there.
Didn't even get a chance to touch really on that.
Your live videos that you do, the motivational stuff you
do on there, which is great. It's not all about
promoting your business. It's about promoting you too, which is great.
So people get to know you as a person then
(36:30):
maybe want to follow what you do. So people want
to look for you. Obviously, if they're in list of
well or Kitchener, they can go to your physical brick
and mortar business, it's right there. But people want to
find you online or Instagram or websites work and people
find you.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, So I'll just kind of stick with the list
Tool Hypnosis just because it's a little bit easier. So
we are on Instagram, so it's under there's a page
called list Tool Hypnosis dot on Instagram. Then there's also Facebook,
which is list to a hypnosis I have. We have
a website www dot listalle hypnosis dot com. You know that.
(37:07):
I think those are the main ones. If you, you know,
wanted to follow my personal it's Tamara r M. Swedo.
But yeah, yeah, I'm we're kinda we have a few
different ways.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
That's good to hear. It's good to hear. Yeah, people
definitely check that out. And of course, like you said,
you're online, so people not just so all over Canada,
all over the world can get in touch with you
if they need to that you're available. It's not just
Canada only or that or that section of Ontario only.
They can find you and they can seek some help
as long as not being forced to or told to.
They can if you're if you're willing and able, definitely
(37:39):
reach out to Tamara and she can help guide you
in the direction maybe you want to go.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Awesome, Yes, please do. Yeah, we'll see if it's a
good fit.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
For sure, Tomara, it's been awesome. I can't wait to
have another conversation with you and get into more stuff.
But for now, this is a good little intro into
who you are and what you do. So I'm glad
we had this time.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, thanks for having me. That was a black I
had a great time. And yeah, we'll do a part
two for some more of hypnosis and other health things
that would be fun.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I love it. Thanks tomorrow, Thanks, have a good night.
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