January 23, 2025 • 43 mins
This time, my conversation is with author and entrepreneur Whitney Riley, who describes herself as 'just some nobody', who then funded a Kickstarter campaign, and traveled to the other side of the world to teach bag-making skills. Family trauma would change how she looked at her dreams. She created and tested a method that supports emotional and mental detox, so all the nobodies can be authentic and self approving wherever they are in their personal story. This is Whitney's journey! More about Whitney:
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nobodies are somebodies.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's chad Advice. It's nobody's or somebody's podcast, and chadvice
is asking you the question of what would you do
when you've been friends with someone for many many years,
for a long time, but then whenever you you know,
have a real conversation with them, and I mean like
a real talk, like real talk when you try to
set them straight on something, or you know, you try
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to give them constructive criticism for you know, respectful but
constructive criticism on projects or choices they're doing with their life,
and they respond to that by getting you know, pissed
off and blocking you more than once. Then they'll unblock
you eventually because it's been in a long time of
(00:46):
radio silence. You don't have a conversation with you anymore.
And they have a new project maybe and they want
to get you involved in it, and then you know,
you try to help them out with it. But then
if you have an opinion, fire beat from anyone to
have an opinion these days and share it. Hey, it's
one thing to have an opinion, but to share it
with somebody and let them and then want to hear
(01:08):
it and take it for what it is. That's a
no go zone, that's a taboo. But they block you again,
and then eventually they'll come back, and they might, you know,
try to connect with you online or send a message
to your unpaid promoter asking why we don't talk anymore.
(01:30):
I'm just saying in general, I'm not talking about me specifically,
you know, send the message to your unpaid promoter or whoever, asking, oh,
here's my number, Oh can you have them contact me?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I lost their number.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think it begins with the letter fifteen or whatever.
I'm just guessing, what are you supposed to do with that?
That's the definition of a toxic relationship, right, I don't know.
I mean, how would you handle that? What would you
finally say to make them give up? Would you even
need to because they've already blocked you. You don't need
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to go and unblock them. They can't get to you,
clearly because they're writing to somebody else who's close to
you and trying to get around that way. But why,
I guess my real question is why for that person?
Are you someone who gets, you know, immediately pissed off
when somebody has an opinion that's not yours or provides
some kind of you know, constructive criticism, or it tells
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you what may not work in their best benefit, and
then you just say or in your best benefit. And
then you're just like, you know what, I I don't
want to have you in my life because you're negative
or because you don't support me. They say that a lot.
You don't support me and you don't believe in what
I'm doing, so you're out. Well, then that's a decision
you've made. So then if you put that person out,
then they're out. Why are you coming back to that?
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You already know what you're gonna get. It's like if
you ate I don't know, eggs for the first or
had some coriander, which is the worst thing I've ever
put in my mouth. If you had some of those
things for the first time, and you're like, oh, that's gross.
I don't like the taste of that. I don't like
the smell of that. I don't like how that makes
me feel. Would you go back and eat it again
when someone offered it to you, or would you just
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look at it one day and say, you know what,
I really want to try that again. Maybe I'll like
it better. I mean, maybe once you might try it again.
I mean, exes get back together all the time, people
get remarried all the time. They could happen, right, But
generally speaking, if you try something then you don't like it,
do you really go back to it? When you eat
something or drink something, do you like, Oh, I want
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to drink that again? No, most people don't. When they
try their food they don't like, they spit it out
and they're done with it. But then why when it
comes to people in relationships, do you want to try
it again and try to get back? Why do friends
who don't like your opinion and don't want to hear
from you and think you're just rude and just insulting,
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Why do they want to come back and have that
in their life even if you are or aren't. So
if you're a person that tries to block people or
gets mad easily and blocks people, remember that you block
them for a reason, whether they really deserved it in
reality or not. You cut them out of your life
for the betterment of your life. Right, that's the choice
you made, so stick to it or don't. But I'd
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love to hear your thoughts on this. Are you that
person or you that person getting hounded by someone who
wants to be reconnected with you. Do you reconnect with
them at least once? Do you do it twice? Do
you do it thrice? I love to know. I'm just
saying in general, none of this has ever happened to
me in my life because I have no friends. It's
Nobody's or Somebody's podcast. It's me chadvice, great conversation with Whitney.
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We talk about a lot of things. Actually, it's easy
to have a conversation when they just you know, they
have a subject to start off on, and then we
just go in different places, in different directions. And that's
what I do here on Nobody's or Somebody's podcast. Almost
said Paradise City, which is my eighties rock and talk
radio show, which you can check out on Mixed Class
com starts Paradise City. Little self promotion for me there.
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But yeah, Whitney's another nobody as she calls herself, But
we're all somebody's. She funded a Kickstarter and started traveling
the world. She makes bags, that's the thing that she does.
She makes homemade bags to help people carry stuff out,
obviously from doing groceries or for anything really. But how
she decided to do that where that came from the
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idea and then just making that her full time goal
and business at the time, and how she made bags
for a bunch of people around the world and helping
people less fortunate around the world also get these bags
as a way to support them right and do things
for a charity level as well too. So she wrote
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a book called Make Everything Easier, Get what You Want
by Healing Hidden Resistance to check out, which I'll provide
a link for as well in these show notes. And
she'll talk about as well too, been through her own
personal life traumas as well as many people have. But
she shares her story openly and candidly, and we talk
about it and you're gonna hear about it right now.
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It's me Chadvice. And here we go with my conversation
(06:50):
with Whitney Riley. All right, here we are, Whitney. It's
good to talk to you. It's good to meet you,
and it's good to have your conversation. How are you
do well?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good. It's a pleasure to
talk to you. I'm glad you reached out and I
can't wait to hear your story. There's a lot going
on or has gone on in your life. So I
don't know where to start, but I'll start at the
beginning you mentioned. Obviously you're in Texas, here in Houston.
Talk to me about Houston, Texas. Have you been there
all your life? Tell me a little bit about you
to start.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Pretty much lived here in my whole life. I was
born in Loveck, never lived there, born in a sandstorm,
and I feel like that somehow flavors my whole life.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Keep moving, keeps constantly changing, keep blowing everywhere from place
to place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like navigating the sands storm.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Right, I got you, And as we start talking, there's
storm brewing right behind me.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So we'll try and make it through. We'll get through
as best we can in the eye of the storm.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But yeah, I've lived here my whole life.
I've traveled all over the world, and I always keep
coming back to Houston. It's kind of my home and
know my way around. The power of friendship probably keeps
me here more than anything these days. But I kind
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of have a dream, maybe one day possibly of moving
to Costa Rica.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, that'd be nice too. Whether it might be a
little bit different than where you're at now, better, more stable,
maybe not, but it's definitely paradise. They're monkeys, right, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Have you traveled a lot in your life? Have you
been other places besides around your neck of the woods?
Do you get to travel a lot?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah? And I have traveled over a lot of the
United States because for a ten year stint, I was
in the publishing industry as a consultant, a national consultant,
and that took me from coast to coast and everywhere
in between little towns, big city. Yeah, so I saw.
(09:03):
I've been to most states, been to Canada. I can't
remember where.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You which part which part? I'm in the eastern sup top.
I was just above New York, New York State.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, yeah, on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
The East coast Ontario, that's it. Yeah, Harry, Yeah, been.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
To Vancouver and West Coast. Yeah. My husband works in
media research and he is primarily in Canada. Now he's
he's kind of like the international man of mystery when
we because he worked all over the world except for
the United States. Oh yeah, but now he's mostly in Canada.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So does he like he does he travel back and forth?
Or is he here all the time? How does that?
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
For Like the most of our relationship, he was gone
seventy percent of the time, Like when we had child,
when he was five weeks old, he left for I
think he went to Dubai War three weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I was like, what you're leaving.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You're leaving me here with this guy little like what
I was supposed.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
To do with this all? Yeah, it's scary.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Wow, covid. He rarely, like he'll go to radio conventions
and do different things, but mostly you know, COVID changed
the game and we both work from home.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's good. Well, it's not good obviously, but what happened
with COVID, but that did change a lot of games,
like you said, and people got to stay home and
got to realize the power of staying home and they
realized they wanted to stay home, especially after that. So
that's good that he was able to do that in
his work and you guys could at least be together
more and it's important for the relationship obviously to make
that work.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah. Yeah, it changes the dynamic for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, now you can get used to him being home too,
and when you realize, oh yeah, this is what it's
like or this is what you're like, it's oh good.
As long as we're able to make it work. Yeah,
that's amazing. So I travel, I'd like to be. I'd
like to be, I need to be, want to be.
Hopefully the next few years I can do that. It's
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all about updating my passport, which I've been neglecting, so
hopefully I can get that taken care of and start
the real journey. There's been a lot of things opportunities
I can do, especially in Las Vegas and out on
the West Coast in California. I like to take advantage
of so hopefully I get a chance to do that.
Looking forward to that, but fingers crossed on that too.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, so I guess that's all. I listened to several
of your episodes.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
There's a lot of music, and yeah, lately it has
been trying to get back into talking to real people
with real stories.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Hi, we all have real stories, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Absolutely. You mentioned on your thing that you said while
you said, you're some nobody who started a Kickstarter campaign
who traveled to either side of the world to help
people making bags. I want to know about that, what
kind of bags, and how that started, and what that's
all about, because that's a big part of your story.
I would assume it is.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's so funny because I was sitting like I listened
to your podcast. I was like, wait a minute, story
and I guess I'd forget I had forgotten that I
had shared that. I was like, who knows, because I
have all kinds of stories, right, and I was stories, stories, galories.
That's a great story. I was like, well, I haven't
told is my story of gratitude. And that's funny because
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it is directly linked to that Kickstarter campaign and then
going over to Indonesia and starting this bad company that
was intended to like mend the world. No no small ideas, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
No small tasks, but you had, hey big ideas. They
got to start somewhere, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So basically I am study physics, flipped the script script
before I graduated, started over, got an art degree, and
then spent a lot of time being an artist, you know,
helping to found studios and solo shows that made a
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fair amount of progress. And I was doing this installation.
It was kind of like this grand moment in my
art career. And I sewed a room together with painted
canvas and it was this totem of tongues and like
rain drops, and everything was built out of chicken wire
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and then this batting the stuff that you put in
a quilt, that fuzzy part wrapped up and then I
would ditch it all together and had these bits of
fabric and it almost killed me. I got cankles. I
got cankles doing it because I stood on a ladder.
It was opening night before and I stood all night
and when I looked down, I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't know how you could do it. Oh my god. Yeah,
the swelling must be intense. I can't imagine wow all night.
You must not be afraid of heights either.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, I mean I guess you know.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
If you're focused on that, yeah, and you just yeah,
your mind is set on that. I understand that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
But wow, it was a super crazy idea, because you know,
the idea is always different than the reality, right, And
I remember stitching for months and looking and going like
why isn't this room done? And it was like a
ten by ten by fourteen put ceilings. It was in
this old industrial building and I was like what, why
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am I? Why is it not done? And I life
is funny, right. I had the needle in my hand
and I just caught this perspective of this tiny little
needle in this room, and I just started laughing so hard,
like you're a crazy person, You're absolutely crazy. And story
that it went well and it was great. I was
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voted lots of nice awards and recognition. I was like,
I'm done, I'm done with you. I'm like going out
on top. I had all these pieces left over.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Did anybody help you that night or that day? Or
was anybody helping you along the way or was it
just you all by yourself?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So mostly it was me that there was a guy
Dorin who did the sound part. There was a sound
installation kind of amazing, and I knew nothing about sound
and your music sound. I had canvas over the speakers.
He was like, yeah, it's not going to work. So
he was beating the canvas and like like that. I
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had painted to kind of make it sound. It wasn't muffling,
so he did that. It was like, well, I'm here,
so he picked up a needle and actually we stitched.
I don't know if I had been like forty eight
hours together. It was insane. And while we were doing it,
one of the other people who had a studio at
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this place was a professor, and he came with some
students and they all of a sudden just said, hey,
you want us to help, because it was like hours before,
like it was the next night, or maybe it was
that day. I can't even remember, but it was like
the final hour and had all these kids stitching and
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then they were like, eh, whatever, And so the last
few pieces we just kind of threw on the floor
and I think we had had it was like ten
in the morning. We hadn't eaten. We were just you know,
I kind of recovered from the Kenkl situation. Uh, and
we were just like, you know what, I'll sew him
in later after the opening, right, we went and it
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was the one time that I really got to experience
the power of food. We like ambled downstairs and rated
this other artist refrigerator and she had like an apple,
one apple, and like a little bit of cheese and
we sat kind of just like delirious and ate it.
And it was like I was so energized. It was
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like we came back to life.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
No McDonald's or talking about we just what was down
in the original time for that, or you didn't want it.
That may have helped. Yeah, it may have been worse.
But yeah, oh wow, that's a lot. That's intense. Yeah wow.
And the night itself was good. People was well attended,
people were there. It was was to go off as
how you expected.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
It was the best art experience I've ever had, I think. Yeah,
it was well received. It was supposed to stay up
for six months and ended up staying up for two years.
We hand made four hundred copies of a book to
go with the project, and it was it was amazing.
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Dorian's part was so great. He actually recorded me and
screaming and augmented the sound where it sounded kind of
like womb sounds, whale sounds. So the idea is like
going into your own reality, which basically every stitch is
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a piece of experience, and then we formulate this sort
of emotional skeleton that the world comes in filtered through
and might not always be correct, right. So that's what
that was kind of all about. So you were like
walking into the inner space.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's amazing, that's amazing. What did you besides getting better shoes?
What did you learn from that whole experience? What did
you kind of take away? Do you think that if
you did it again? Did you do it again? And
what did you what did you learn? Basically?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, the construct going in, I guess we're going to
get get it deep here. My mom had Alzheimer's early
and I remember sitting with her and she couldn't speak
for the last three years or a little bit longer,
and I was trying to figure out, like, how can
a person be without their identity? Like how is she
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still alive? Like, you know, trying to square this. I
was younger much younger, but I came to learn this
idea actually helped me quit smoking and has helped me
in my whole journey, also going to circle back, going
to Indonesia. The kickstarted all that, and also what I
do now, which is help people make everything easier.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But you're great, Yeah yeah, we got to talk about that.
What we can too, yeah yeah yeah, good brain.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So much.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I know, we all have so much time. Unfortunately ZIM
only gives me about thirty five forty minutes too, so
if worst case, we can always come back and revisit
again too. But well, as much as we can in there.
As long as people get the idea of your story,
and they can obviously check out the book too, it
all comes to that. It's important.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah yeah, But so the show was called My Vulture Shallon,
which is my worldview, and the idea is that we
give our brain so much more power over our lives
then it necessarily needs. Our brain is extremely important and
it helps us learn and navigate and stay safe and
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have pleasure and so many things. But it's more like
a hand or a foot than like who we are.
So the whim, you know, the rationalization like a brain
can hold to truths, right, a part of your body.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, yeah, another part of it that makes up the
whole kind of thing, right. Uh, well, like it's it's
just it's not the one thing of your body. It's
just another piece. Like you said, it's a hand or
a foot. It's an extension of you, of your body.
It's not the whole thing, but it's another part. But
most people think that's the be all end all of
the brain. I would think the same. Actually, I never
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really heard it described that way as just another part.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Is that kind of what you're getting at?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Do I have that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
It's like most of us actually just live in our brain,
right and steve into our whole body. But our brain
is just like our whole body, and we give it
power and kind of overwhelm it to do everything for
us when it's there to do things for us like
a hand or a foot. You need your hand to
grab something, your foot, walk, run, and we we kind
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of release our identity and all the things to our
brain and then were victim to our brain running amok.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah I never thought about it like that. Yeah, that's true,
very true, very true.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And also if you give your brain all that power.
Your brain also wants to keep you out of your body,
where most traumas or misunderstandings or uncomfortable situations get stored
in the tissues in your body in lots of different places.
So it wants to keep you far away from ever
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being embarrassed again, being scared again, making a mistake.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, you think about it too much and you avoid
situations or problems or people. Yeah, I know that very well.
So yeah, you're very I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Wow, Like the stitches of the room, each stitch then
creates this network of.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Oh I lose you don't know if you can hear me.
I think I lost you.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I can hear you, can you get me?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I got you back now, I got stitches of the
room like a network, and then froze up completely and
that fact you're here.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You have this network. Right, we talked about the emotional skeleton.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, oh was waste. You start talking and then it's like, no,
not doing it. I can hear you now, I can
see I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
It's crazy. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Let's see the weather. It's raining like crazy, but I
think I can see behind you. It's raining pretty good.
I love the rain. It's fun. Yeah, it rains a
lot here right now.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, it rolled in just for us.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yep, exactly a perfect storm coming together.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's right. Well, so we have to navigate that network
right of all the stitches, right, we have to navigate
that trying to get what we want, and that's difficult.
That makes everything difficult.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I can't remember what is this something you learned when
you're dealing with the learning about your mom's Alzheimer's Or
is this something that just kind of became at the
same time. Is that where the basis of this idea started.
I've never heard of it. I've never heard of this before.
I'd never really thought about it like that before.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It Well, it's me navigating some really difficult things, choosing
a path to figure out stuff on my own. So
I was diagnosed with panic disorder at twenty four. My
mom was already sick, and had to kind of navigate
that tricky business because I was fine one day and
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then all of a sudden I was in the if.
I don't know if you've ever had anxiety or panic attack,
I wouldn't anxiety for sure, Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't wish
it on the worst enemy. It's just as some.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
People, some people who don't have it don't understand it too,
or don't get it, or don't or don't see it.
If you can't see it, it must not be a problem.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Right, Well, that just explains all of mental health, right yeah, true, Yeah,
it's invisible. So you look fine, Just chill out. What's
your problem?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
What's your problem while you're acting this way? Don't have
to take it so hard or whatever it might be, right, yeah,
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, you know, in panic disorder is basically the bear
is always coming to eat you, but you can't find
the bear.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah. Yeah, you keep panicking and you keep being anxious
about it because it's never that that come up into
your waiting for is never going to happen, or we
hope it's not anyway, So it's hard to deal with that.
It's hard to live in a daily life and manage that.
So how did you find your way to manage that
at a young age?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It took a long time to get the diagnosis, but
I finally did, and then I was given like a
case of zolof like all of like and then sent
on my way. I took one and I it was
it was crazy. Yeah, the case of little bottle.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Take a bunch of these, you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Well, I mean I think everyone's trying. It's just imperfect,
you know. Us healthcare is a whole other ball of waxe, right. Yeah, Anyway,
I took one in the next morning, I was like,
this is not for me, and I threw them all
away in the trash and I was just you know,
it was dark. It was a dark moment. My mom
was quote unquote crazy. I was like, great now I'm crazy.
(25:04):
Am I gonna have to kill myself as a public service,
you know, like one more crazy person that needs care?
And I just was like, you know what, what if
this is just a dark valley and that somewhere on
the other side there's light again. And that is basically
how with my mom's illness. My dad died shortly thereafter,
(25:25):
probably the stress taking care of my mom, and that
was all dramatic and crazy, and that was the next
layer of trying to get through all of this. And
I think this is how I came to these concepts,
right like, how is my mom able to be without
her identity? Her brain, the thing that we give so
(25:47):
much power to that we struggle with, you know, like
I want to quit smoking. Why would I put water
on the cigarettes? Throw them in the trash can and
a couple hours later, go get the hair dryer and
be dry and I'm off so I can have a cigarette.
How can the brain want to not smoke and want
to smoke? Right? And then the pleasure point rationalizes, right,
(26:12):
quit tomorrow, or it's just one or you know, and
you can put almost anything that sabotages us into that category.
But I can't help it. My brain says, I need it.
I can't help it. And then this new construct changed
everything about my life. I ended up going to Indonesia
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and starting the kicks, like believing in myself from the
scraps of that stitch together thing I stitched together in
my own purse and I was like, oh my god,
we can make stuff. It works. I still have it.
And that was a long time ago, almost twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I was going to ask you how long ago it
was and was it always so Indonesia? It sounds like
you just went and did it, but I don't think
it was not quite of a snap decision. But what
made you choose Indonesia? What made you choose, I guess
just basically go down that path and why they're.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I sent out a lot of proposals to nonprofits. One
in Vancouver, these two guys that struggle with albinism, who
were helping sub Sahara, Africa with their problem with albinism.
There's a whole other topic we can talk about for hours.
So I sent them to these places and there was
this organization called YUM and I said, hey, yeah, because
I was like, I would like to work with your organization,
(27:28):
but I need to get funded first. So it was
kind of this dicey sort of situation and they were
like sure. And basically the construct was you buy the bags.
There's like almost zero carbon outside of maybe some transportation stuff,
no waste. They're all handmade, they're all hand painted, and
they were mending the world one stitch at a time,
(27:51):
dealing with disproportionate economic situations in a positive kind of
conscientious capitalistic way, and proceeds goes back to the group
stitching them where they get to decide what they want
to do for their environment whether and these people wanted
to build a pre k and when I went over there,
(28:14):
I ended up staying in this orphanage and it was
wild to be four days to get there, you know,
Bahasa Indonesia. You know, it was amazing. So they were
able to say yes tentative to my own my success
getting the funding, got it, went over there, trained these
(28:35):
beautiful women. It was a gorgeous thing, and then I
was just kind of a one man show for a
long time. People love that I have the closet filled
with them, and that whole project kind of went on
the burner as I started moving more into becoming a
transformational mentor and taking that my veulture showing and all
(28:55):
of that into helping people transform their lives and make
everything easy. Yeah, so that's how that all crazy together together.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, how long were you over there for in Indonesia?
All total? It took you four days to get there.
How long did you stay?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It was ten days total?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It must have been pretty eye opening. What was kind
of the most revealing that you uh, because nobody knows.
We read about or we hear things, but when you
got there, what did you see that was like, Wow,
I didn't expect that, or he expected something differently and
it was better than you thought. Like what kind of
changed your perspective of Indonesia.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You know, I think we romanticize everything outside of our experience, right,
or we project the fear or whatever. People are people,
you know, their restaurants, there are people that have kids.
There are like big highways there. It is. So I
went to Jakarta first, and it is.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's the main city, I believe, right, the main is
that their capital city, I think Jakarta.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, yeah, on the island of Java, there's a I
think it's an archipelago of thirty thousand islands which comes Indonesia,
which is another right.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, mind blowing theater. Hear about it.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, it's amazing, yeah, yeah, but it just the traffic
is still to me incomprehensible how people even go out,
Like there's.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
The road system. Is there any kind of like like
we have traffic lights, we have stop signed stuff like
that over here that we're used to kind of rules,
we have traffic monitors, police. Do they have any of
that kind of thing over there or is it just
for all from what I've heard, Well.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, they absolutely have it. And now went I went
from Jakarta up into the mountains Chipanis and there there
it gets a little crazy. You know. The further you
get out, I guess out of the city and I
didn't go any other place. But there's just so many cars.
(30:57):
There's so many people. Like if you're going to go
so where, it's like parking. You know, I'm in Houston,
traffic's not yeah, la, but like really so I've been
to Cairo also, it's one of those mega cities and
again it's like four lanes of traffic and six lanes
are driving. Wow, and it's you know, alla, trust alla.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
And it's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Somehow these people navigate it. But there's also just like
so much poverty and people are giving their kids to
be raised to other people. This orphanage was doing it.
It's like not because they've been abandoned, they just can't
afford their kids. They're such a delightful culture. They're so
magnanimous and so smiling in spite of that. But you know,
(31:45):
we're all people. We're all people, you know, that's really
the thing. Like it it seems like, you know, the
other side of the globe, because it is and they're people,
and they're also critical of their government and I feel
like it's corrupt and you know, the money wins and
now we flood. I mean, some of the topics are
(32:08):
exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, for sure. People are people, right, and they just
are all. We all feel the same no matter where
we are in the world. We always feel like there's
a reason why we're in the position we're in and
we're not, or why we have and have not. So
it's some we all forget. We all think we're different,
but we're all connected by that and our same beliefs.
We're all humans who think and feel the same way
like that. It's just we live in different parts of
the world. But a lot of people living in this
part of that part forget that. I think. I know
(32:35):
it's worse now than ever I think, but that's unfortunate.
That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Too, especially some places.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, exactly, some places in the country, some places in
the world. Yeah, now I hear you. You make everything
easier is of course the title of the book. But
that is a great line. That's a great statement for
anything in anyone's life, doing anything at all. Did you what,
I guess, what gave you that epiphany? What gave you
that idea? I guess after coming from in Indonesia, coming
back home, starting to help other people through helping people
(33:05):
with their physical mental detoks, which is a big task.
It's basically you're helping other people when a lot of
people work to help themselves. What made you, I guess,
decide to instead of just going back and doing a
nine to five job, or going back and taking a
different career. What made you decide to just want to
keep giving of yourself and helping people more and more
in any way you could?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
You know, now that I've released into it, there was
a lot of resistance. I can link this back to
probably being two years old. I think it's always been
in me to want to, you know, help a friend,
give insight, sit longer with a you know, like sitting
there with my mom, trying to sort it into some
I don't know, meaning or purpose or.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Way by listening to somebody listening to what they're going through.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh, absolutely, which can be.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Hard to do as a listener, because some we're always intense.
We always want to say something from our part. Oh
I just thought jumped into my head. I want to
do it right now too, But I just say something
and get it off, And that's how it's all conversation works.
But it's hard to listen and just stop and actually
hear somebody, right, and.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I've definitely got the ADHD interrupt and let's just rumble together.
As you've probably already notice that.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
That's part of this. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, but it's good.
You hear so much when you listen, right. It sounds
so simple, but it's so true.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's so true. And I don't know if that it
was just to listen, although I do have a pretty
large capacity now. It's the desire to want people not
to suffer. You know. Every birthday I am, you know,
get the blow out the candle to wish, and I
(34:42):
think all the stuff I wanted, and by the time
I got to the candle, I'd be like, what are
world peace? You know? And I thought everybody else was
doing yeah, but I really was like, well, at the
end of the day, if this is if I really
get a wish. You know, I'm a kid, right, I'm like,
I'm wishing for world peace, like I'm gonna make it count.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, And you mean it and you feel that in you, right,
and you want that to happen.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah. I did. And then you know, you get older
and you're like, wow, I thought being an adult was
going to.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Be like, oh, it's less than no and yeah, as.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's perks, but.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, exactly got to pay the bills and do what
other piece to have to do something. A lot of
people have to work for somebody, so I mean, you
have to listen to somebody else, you have to do
what works for you. It's great, there's high moments, as
that's the joy of life. It's high moments, low moments,
but it's a learning opportunity, which is what it's supposed
to be.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think, yeah, but I thought once you're an adult,
you knew it all.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, it just came into your brain. That's it. We're done.
Everything programmed like a computer. It's all programmed. Your set
your factory, right out of the factory, ready to go.
Nice maybe, but maybe you don't want to be the
fun in that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, So bringing it all together, I think it was
also when I was in Indonesia. I remember I was
in this little bathroom like basically like showering with a cup,
and I remember just touching the walls and feeling such
intense gratitude. There were probably no words, and it was
(36:16):
like I could rectify the pain of losing my parents,
my mother was still kind of alive, and just like
because I saw my own mortality, and it pushed me
beyond the limit of staying small or not, you know,
pursuing a dream, even if it was just like the
bags like I made. I know that it's a viable business.
(36:38):
I know that you can do it, and there are
people that love it and they are amazing people in
the world, and it's sitting there waiting for people who
are really awesome business people to go forward with that.
With me, I learned that I'm not not that type
of entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Is somebody is somebody else take did someone take that
over someone else to? And are you making the bags
or do you.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
That would be like a whole structure, like you know,
I mean I would I could definitely partner with that,
but it's just like the bigger Like I was running
around like a crazy person to shops and creating inventories
and then shipping stuff to Indonesia and then labeling and
you're a.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
One woman show on that right for and that's that
takes a lot of time and it's a lot It's yeah,
I can understand that. How long did you actually do
all that for? Like actually full like full time, fall
all into it.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Four years. I mean from the conception of taking a
scrap from that art sewn together thing, like what can
I do with this? My studio had a shop of
handmade stuff. I was like, I'll make bags, and then
it just kind of.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Grew from there in four years. While it's a long time,
it's a lot of work in four years to handle
just by yourself, it's amazing. It's an amazing Well, thank you,
I help a lot of people, hopefully. Did you get
feedback on how you helped and made a difference. Did
you hear anything about that? Did you get some kind
of I guess acknowledgement of everything you did or try
to do?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You know, absolutely, there's still fans that come into town
and then they're like, hey, can I go Can I
go to your closet? Can I buy some bed?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Do you still have a closet for Like you said, right,
stuff was like a little treasure chest, a secret guard
and a secret closet of all your bags. Yeah, I
get it.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, But you asked this question, like where did you
come to the make everything easier? Just to circle back there,
when I kind of came out of the closet and
started doing this work because I was doing it on
the download, helping people with all the stuff I had
learned over twenty five years of kind of navigating a
lot of hard stuff, you know, a lot of alone.
(38:47):
You know, I sit alone wondering am I going to
die like this? And I have such great credit and
pay my bills. This can take at least two months
before somebody discovers my dead body, you know, just.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Crazy thoughts like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Like how do you feel peace when the world feels
out of control? You know? And so I started working
with people, and I noticed over the years everyone after
a while working with me, they were like, well, it
just got easier. I was like, did it just get easier?
Did it just get easier after you know, ten years
of dealing with this problem, you know, a couple of
(39:21):
years not being able to get over this relationship with
a narcissist or just didn't go well, and all of
a sudden it just got easier. Like they're just their
minds are blown. How radically they shift. And in the
program it used to be tapping down the walls of overwhelm.
There was one I can't remember what the one big
(39:42):
results was the original one, and then one day it
was like, oh my gosh. When I was getting the
book together, it's like everybody says it in one way
or another, it just got easier.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
And so that's yeah, wow, and just yeah, it's probably
and that's how you came over that. That's to make
everything easier, because it just one day it just you
were going through and going through and then one day
it just stop. That's time healing the wounds or time
healing and everything that you're going through and just moving
on or something else coming into your life as well too.
That kind of changes your perspective. New person, new job,
(40:15):
new people, just new house, new things, just kind of
change everything too. So that made everything easier. So it
just happens.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, I put together a really intense program where I
see clients three hours two to three hours once a
week for twelve weeks, and it radically transforms super fast basically,
and that's the emotional detox. Yeah, so that skeleton stops
controlling you. You keep the superpowers you learn by having
(40:44):
coping mechanisms like hyper vigilance. Right, if you have anxiety
that tense and people like go no, but I can
do a lot and I'm aware of a lot, but
it's exhausting, right and exactly, Yeah, but so what if
you calm the part that feels compelled to do that
for your survival, keep the ability to be aware, right,
(41:08):
you keep the superpower, and then you you you actually
go in and you rescue the original part that started
feeling that need, you know, like to come right, and
you bring it back the wholeness. Yeah, so you start
you you it's it's never like forced. It is an
(41:31):
unfolding and then everything naturally gets easier. There's no white
knuckling it, making yourself down right, making yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Not pay forcing yourself. Yeah, you can't force it, Yeah,
not like that.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
How many times as a person said, hey, I need
to lose ten pounds, oh you know certain people, right,
and then how often you the ten pounds?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Not very depending yeah, you know, or they'll but generally speaking, yeah,
and they'll loser, will come back, or it will change
or it's not or they want to get the tennis
not enough. Yeah, but you.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Can't make yourself. You can't like grow yourself into feeling
better or stopping the need for chips. If that's the
only way at some point in your life.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's already to be happy with the
times I have. It's been amazing talking to you. I
don't want to lose you. It's about to count down here,
but you have so many people and you continue to
do so. It's amazing what you do and I'm glad
you're able to share some of that here for your book.
Where people want to get at? What socials are you on?
Where can people find you and your book to connect
with you and kind of maybe spend those hours a
(42:42):
day with you if they need to. Where can they
do that?
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Start your beetter life dot com is my website. There's
a link to my book. You can go to Amazon.
Make Everything Easier by Whitney Riley. I'm all over all
the socials, but that's if you go to my website. Basically,
it's one stop shop and you can take it to
your favorite place that you like Instagram ever.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
It's great talking to you, Whitney. I really appreciate the time,
and hopefully people will check out more of your story
just by listening to this, and there's so much more
to get into, but we hopefully can do it again.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I would love to thank you so much for having me.
This has been great me too.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Thanks Whitney. You've been listening to the Nobody's or Somebody's
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It's chad Advice. It's nobody's or somebody's podcast, and chadvice
is asking you the question of what would you do
when you've been friends with someone for many many years,
for a long time, but then whenever you you know,
have a real conversation with them, and I mean like
a real talk, like real talk when you try to
set them straight on something, or you know, you try
(00:25):
to give them constructive criticism for you know, respectful but
constructive criticism on projects or choices they're doing with their life,
and they respond to that by getting you know, pissed
off and blocking you more than once. Then they'll unblock
you eventually because it's been in a long time of
(00:46):
radio silence. You don't have a conversation with you anymore.
And they have a new project maybe and they want
to get you involved in it, and then you know,
you try to help them out with it. But then
if you have an opinion, fire beat from anyone to
have an opinion these days and share it. Hey, it's
one thing to have an opinion, but to share it
with somebody and let them and then want to hear
(01:08):
it and take it for what it is. That's a
no go zone, that's a taboo. But they block you again,
and then eventually they'll come back, and they might, you know,
try to connect with you online or send a message
to your unpaid promoter asking why we don't talk anymore.
(01:30):
I'm just saying in general, I'm not talking about me specifically,
you know, send the message to your unpaid promoter or whoever, asking, oh,
here's my number, Oh can you have them contact me?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I lost their number.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think it begins with the letter fifteen or whatever.
I'm just guessing, what are you supposed to do with that?
That's the definition of a toxic relationship, right, I don't know.
I mean, how would you handle that? What would you
finally say to make them give up? Would you even
need to because they've already blocked you. You don't need
(02:11):
to go and unblock them. They can't get to you,
clearly because they're writing to somebody else who's close to
you and trying to get around that way. But why,
I guess my real question is why for that person?
Are you someone who gets, you know, immediately pissed off
when somebody has an opinion that's not yours or provides
some kind of you know, constructive criticism, or it tells
(02:35):
you what may not work in their best benefit, and
then you just say or in your best benefit. And
then you're just like, you know what, I I don't
want to have you in my life because you're negative
or because you don't support me. They say that a lot.
You don't support me and you don't believe in what
I'm doing, so you're out. Well, then that's a decision
you've made. So then if you put that person out,
then they're out. Why are you coming back to that?
(02:55):
You already know what you're gonna get. It's like if
you ate I don't know, eggs for the first or
had some coriander, which is the worst thing I've ever
put in my mouth. If you had some of those
things for the first time, and you're like, oh, that's gross.
I don't like the taste of that. I don't like
the smell of that. I don't like how that makes
me feel. Would you go back and eat it again
when someone offered it to you, or would you just
(03:16):
look at it one day and say, you know what,
I really want to try that again. Maybe I'll like
it better. I mean, maybe once you might try it again.
I mean, exes get back together all the time, people
get remarried all the time. They could happen, right, But
generally speaking, if you try something then you don't like it,
do you really go back to it? When you eat
something or drink something, do you like, Oh, I want
(03:37):
to drink that again? No, most people don't. When they
try their food they don't like, they spit it out
and they're done with it. But then why when it
comes to people in relationships, do you want to try
it again and try to get back? Why do friends
who don't like your opinion and don't want to hear
from you and think you're just rude and just insulting,
(03:57):
Why do they want to come back and have that
in their life even if you are or aren't. So
if you're a person that tries to block people or
gets mad easily and blocks people, remember that you block
them for a reason, whether they really deserved it in
reality or not. You cut them out of your life
for the betterment of your life. Right, that's the choice
you made, so stick to it or don't. But I'd
(04:19):
love to hear your thoughts on this. Are you that
person or you that person getting hounded by someone who
wants to be reconnected with you. Do you reconnect with
them at least once? Do you do it twice? Do
you do it thrice? I love to know. I'm just
saying in general, none of this has ever happened to
me in my life because I have no friends. It's
Nobody's or Somebody's podcast. It's me chadvice, great conversation with Whitney.
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We talk about a lot of things. Actually, it's easy
to have a conversation when they just you know, they
have a subject to start off on, and then we
just go in different places, in different directions. And that's
what I do here on Nobody's or Somebody's podcast. Almost
said Paradise City, which is my eighties rock and talk
radio show, which you can check out on Mixed Class
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(05:03):
But yeah, Whitney's another nobody as she calls herself, But
we're all somebody's. She funded a Kickstarter and started traveling
the world. She makes bags, that's the thing that she does.
She makes homemade bags to help people carry stuff out,
obviously from doing groceries or for anything really. But how
she decided to do that where that came from the
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idea and then just making that her full time goal
and business at the time, and how she made bags
for a bunch of people around the world and helping
people less fortunate around the world also get these bags
as a way to support them right and do things
for a charity level as well too. So she wrote
(05:46):
a book called Make Everything Easier, Get what You Want
by Healing Hidden Resistance to check out, which I'll provide
a link for as well in these show notes. And
she'll talk about as well too, been through her own
personal life traumas as well as many people have. But
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(06:50):
with Whitney Riley. All right, here we are, Whitney. It's
good to talk to you. It's good to meet you,
and it's good to have your conversation. How are you
do well?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good. It's a pleasure to
talk to you. I'm glad you reached out and I
can't wait to hear your story. There's a lot going
on or has gone on in your life. So I
don't know where to start, but I'll start at the
beginning you mentioned. Obviously you're in Texas, here in Houston.
Talk to me about Houston, Texas. Have you been there
all your life? Tell me a little bit about you
to start.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Pretty much lived here in my whole life. I was
born in Loveck, never lived there, born in a sandstorm,
and I feel like that somehow flavors my whole life.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Keep moving, keeps constantly changing, keep blowing everywhere from place
to place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like navigating the sands storm.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Right, I got you, And as we start talking, there's
storm brewing right behind me.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So we'll try and make it through. We'll get through
as best we can in the eye of the storm.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But yeah, I've lived here my whole life.
I've traveled all over the world, and I always keep
coming back to Houston. It's kind of my home and
know my way around. The power of friendship probably keeps
me here more than anything these days. But I kind
(08:11):
of have a dream, maybe one day possibly of moving
to Costa Rica.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, that'd be nice too. Whether it might be a
little bit different than where you're at now, better, more stable,
maybe not, but it's definitely paradise. They're monkeys, right, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Have you traveled a lot in your life? Have you
been other places besides around your neck of the woods?
Do you get to travel a lot?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah? And I have traveled over a lot of the
United States because for a ten year stint, I was
in the publishing industry as a consultant, a national consultant,
and that took me from coast to coast and everywhere
in between little towns, big city. Yeah, so I saw.
(09:03):
I've been to most states, been to Canada. I can't
remember where.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You which part which part? I'm in the eastern sup top.
I was just above New York, New York State.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, yeah, on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
The East coast Ontario, that's it. Yeah, Harry, Yeah, been.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
To Vancouver and West Coast. Yeah. My husband works in
media research and he is primarily in Canada. Now he's
he's kind of like the international man of mystery when
we because he worked all over the world except for
the United States. Oh yeah, but now he's mostly in Canada.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So does he like he does he travel back and forth?
Or is he here all the time? How does that?
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
For Like the most of our relationship, he was gone
seventy percent of the time, Like when we had child,
when he was five weeks old, he left for I
think he went to Dubai War three weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I was like, what you're leaving.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You're leaving me here with this guy little like what
I was supposed.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
To do with this all? Yeah, it's scary.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Wow, covid. He rarely, like he'll go to radio conventions
and do different things, but mostly you know, COVID changed
the game and we both work from home.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's good. Well, it's not good obviously, but what happened
with COVID, but that did change a lot of games,
like you said, and people got to stay home and
got to realize the power of staying home and they
realized they wanted to stay home, especially after that. So
that's good that he was able to do that in
his work and you guys could at least be together
more and it's important for the relationship obviously to make
that work.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah. Yeah, it changes the dynamic for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, now you can get used to him being home too,
and when you realize, oh yeah, this is what it's
like or this is what you're like, it's oh good.
As long as we're able to make it work. Yeah,
that's amazing. So I travel, I'd like to be. I'd
like to be, I need to be, want to be.
Hopefully the next few years I can do that. It's
(11:04):
all about updating my passport, which I've been neglecting, so
hopefully I can get that taken care of and start
the real journey. There's been a lot of things opportunities
I can do, especially in Las Vegas and out on
the West Coast in California. I like to take advantage
of so hopefully I get a chance to do that.
Looking forward to that, but fingers crossed on that too.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, so I guess that's all. I listened to several
of your episodes.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
There's a lot of music, and yeah, lately it has
been trying to get back into talking to real people
with real stories.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Hi, we all have real stories, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Absolutely. You mentioned on your thing that you said while
you said, you're some nobody who started a Kickstarter campaign
who traveled to either side of the world to help
people making bags. I want to know about that, what
kind of bags, and how that started, and what that's
all about, because that's a big part of your story.
I would assume it is.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's so funny because I was sitting like I listened
to your podcast. I was like, wait a minute, story
and I guess I'd forget I had forgotten that I
had shared that. I was like, who knows, because I
have all kinds of stories, right, and I was stories, stories, galories.
That's a great story. I was like, well, I haven't
told is my story of gratitude. And that's funny because
(12:15):
it is directly linked to that Kickstarter campaign and then
going over to Indonesia and starting this bad company that
was intended to like mend the world. No no small ideas, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
No small tasks, but you had, hey big ideas. They
got to start somewhere, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So basically I am study physics, flipped the script script
before I graduated, started over, got an art degree, and
then spent a lot of time being an artist, you know,
helping to found studios and solo shows that made a
(12:57):
fair amount of progress. And I was doing this installation.
It was kind of like this grand moment in my
art career. And I sewed a room together with painted
canvas and it was this totem of tongues and like
rain drops, and everything was built out of chicken wire
(13:19):
and then this batting the stuff that you put in
a quilt, that fuzzy part wrapped up and then I
would ditch it all together and had these bits of
fabric and it almost killed me. I got cankles. I
got cankles doing it because I stood on a ladder.
It was opening night before and I stood all night
and when I looked down, I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't know how you could do it. Oh my god. Yeah,
the swelling must be intense. I can't imagine wow all night.
You must not be afraid of heights either.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, I mean I guess you know.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
If you're focused on that, yeah, and you just yeah,
your mind is set on that. I understand that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
But wow, it was a super crazy idea, because you know,
the idea is always different than the reality, right, And
I remember stitching for months and looking and going like
why isn't this room done? And it was like a
ten by ten by fourteen put ceilings. It was in
this old industrial building and I was like what, why
(14:16):
am I? Why is it not done? And I life
is funny, right. I had the needle in my hand
and I just caught this perspective of this tiny little
needle in this room, and I just started laughing so hard,
like you're a crazy person, You're absolutely crazy. And story
that it went well and it was great. I was
(14:38):
voted lots of nice awards and recognition. I was like,
I'm done, I'm done with you. I'm like going out
on top. I had all these pieces left over.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Did anybody help you that night or that day? Or
was anybody helping you along the way or was it
just you all by yourself?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So mostly it was me that there was a guy
Dorin who did the sound part. There was a sound
installation kind of amazing, and I knew nothing about sound
and your music sound. I had canvas over the speakers.
He was like, yeah, it's not going to work. So
he was beating the canvas and like like that. I
(15:14):
had painted to kind of make it sound. It wasn't muffling,
so he did that. It was like, well, I'm here,
so he picked up a needle and actually we stitched.
I don't know if I had been like forty eight
hours together. It was insane. And while we were doing it,
one of the other people who had a studio at
(15:35):
this place was a professor, and he came with some
students and they all of a sudden just said, hey,
you want us to help, because it was like hours before,
like it was the next night, or maybe it was
that day. I can't even remember, but it was like
the final hour and had all these kids stitching and
(15:57):
then they were like, eh, whatever, And so the last
few pieces we just kind of threw on the floor
and I think we had had it was like ten
in the morning. We hadn't eaten. We were just you know,
I kind of recovered from the Kenkl situation. Uh, and
we were just like, you know what, I'll sew him
in later after the opening, right, we went and it
(16:19):
was the one time that I really got to experience
the power of food. We like ambled downstairs and rated
this other artist refrigerator and she had like an apple,
one apple, and like a little bit of cheese and
we sat kind of just like delirious and ate it.
And it was like I was so energized. It was
(16:39):
like we came back to life.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
No McDonald's or talking about we just what was down
in the original time for that, or you didn't want it.
That may have helped. Yeah, it may have been worse.
But yeah, oh wow, that's a lot. That's intense. Yeah wow.
And the night itself was good. People was well attended,
people were there. It was was to go off as
how you expected.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
It was the best art experience I've ever had, I think. Yeah,
it was well received. It was supposed to stay up
for six months and ended up staying up for two years.
We hand made four hundred copies of a book to
go with the project, and it was it was amazing.
(17:27):
Dorian's part was so great. He actually recorded me and
screaming and augmented the sound where it sounded kind of
like womb sounds, whale sounds. So the idea is like
going into your own reality, which basically every stitch is
(17:47):
a piece of experience, and then we formulate this sort
of emotional skeleton that the world comes in filtered through
and might not always be correct, right. So that's what
that was kind of all about. So you were like
walking into the inner space.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's amazing, that's amazing. What did you besides getting better shoes?
What did you learn from that whole experience? What did
you kind of take away? Do you think that if
you did it again? Did you do it again? And
what did you what did you learn? Basically?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, the construct going in, I guess we're going to
get get it deep here. My mom had Alzheimer's early
and I remember sitting with her and she couldn't speak
for the last three years or a little bit longer,
and I was trying to figure out, like, how can
a person be without their identity? Like how is she
(18:42):
still alive? Like, you know, trying to square this. I
was younger much younger, but I came to learn this
idea actually helped me quit smoking and has helped me
in my whole journey, also going to circle back, going
to Indonesia. The kickstarted all that, and also what I
do now, which is help people make everything easier.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But you're great, Yeah yeah, we got to talk about that.
What we can too, yeah yeah yeah, good brain.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So much.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I know, we all have so much time. Unfortunately ZIM
only gives me about thirty five forty minutes too, so
if worst case, we can always come back and revisit
again too. But well, as much as we can in there.
As long as people get the idea of your story,
and they can obviously check out the book too, it
all comes to that. It's important.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah yeah, But so the show was called My Vulture Shallon,
which is my worldview, and the idea is that we
give our brain so much more power over our lives
then it necessarily needs. Our brain is extremely important and
it helps us learn and navigate and stay safe and
(19:48):
have pleasure and so many things. But it's more like
a hand or a foot than like who we are.
So the whim, you know, the rationalization like a brain
can hold to truths, right, a part of your body.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, yeah, another part of it that makes up the
whole kind of thing, right. Uh, well, like it's it's
just it's not the one thing of your body. It's
just another piece. Like you said, it's a hand or
a foot. It's an extension of you, of your body.
It's not the whole thing, but it's another part. But
most people think that's the be all end all of
the brain. I would think the same. Actually, I never
(20:22):
really heard it described that way as just another part.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Is that kind of what you're getting at?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Do I have that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
It's like most of us actually just live in our brain,
right and steve into our whole body. But our brain
is just like our whole body, and we give it
power and kind of overwhelm it to do everything for
us when it's there to do things for us like
a hand or a foot. You need your hand to
grab something, your foot, walk, run, and we we kind
(20:51):
of release our identity and all the things to our
brain and then were victim to our brain running amok.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah I never thought about it like that. Yeah, that's true,
very true, very true.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And also if you give your brain all that power.
Your brain also wants to keep you out of your body,
where most traumas or misunderstandings or uncomfortable situations get stored
in the tissues in your body in lots of different places.
So it wants to keep you far away from ever
(21:25):
being embarrassed again, being scared again, making a mistake.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, you think about it too much and you avoid
situations or problems or people. Yeah, I know that very well.
So yeah, you're very I never thought of it like that.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Wow, Like the stitches of the room, each stitch then
creates this network of.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Oh I lose you don't know if you can hear me.
I think I lost you.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I can hear you, can you get me?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I got you back now, I got stitches of the
room like a network, and then froze up completely and
that fact you're here.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You have this network. Right, we talked about the emotional skeleton.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, oh was waste. You start talking and then it's like, no,
not doing it. I can hear you now, I can
see I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
It's crazy. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Let's see the weather. It's raining like crazy, but I
think I can see behind you. It's raining pretty good.
I love the rain. It's fun. Yeah, it rains a
lot here right now.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, it rolled in just for us.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yep, exactly a perfect storm coming together.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's right. Well, so we have to navigate that network
right of all the stitches, right, we have to navigate
that trying to get what we want, and that's difficult.
That makes everything difficult.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I can't remember what is this something you learned when
you're dealing with the learning about your mom's Alzheimer's Or
is this something that just kind of became at the
same time. Is that where the basis of this idea started.
I've never heard of it. I've never heard of this before.
I'd never really thought about it like that before.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It Well, it's me navigating some really difficult things, choosing
a path to figure out stuff on my own. So
I was diagnosed with panic disorder at twenty four. My
mom was already sick, and had to kind of navigate
that tricky business because I was fine one day and
(23:29):
then all of a sudden I was in the if.
I don't know if you've ever had anxiety or panic attack,
I wouldn't anxiety for sure, Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't wish
it on the worst enemy. It's just as some.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
People, some people who don't have it don't understand it too,
or don't get it, or don't or don't see it.
If you can't see it, it must not be a problem.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Right, Well, that just explains all of mental health, right yeah, true, Yeah,
it's invisible. So you look fine, Just chill out. What's
your problem?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
What's your problem while you're acting this way? Don't have
to take it so hard or whatever it might be, right, yeah,
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, you know, in panic disorder is basically the bear
is always coming to eat you, but you can't find
the bear.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah. Yeah, you keep panicking and you keep being anxious
about it because it's never that that come up into
your waiting for is never going to happen, or we
hope it's not anyway, So it's hard to deal with that.
It's hard to live in a daily life and manage that.
So how did you find your way to manage that
at a young age?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It took a long time to get the diagnosis, but
I finally did, and then I was given like a
case of zolof like all of like and then sent
on my way. I took one and I it was
it was crazy. Yeah, the case of little bottle.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Take a bunch of these, you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Well, I mean I think everyone's trying. It's just imperfect,
you know. Us healthcare is a whole other ball of waxe, right. Yeah, Anyway,
I took one in the next morning, I was like,
this is not for me, and I threw them all
away in the trash and I was just you know,
it was dark. It was a dark moment. My mom
was quote unquote crazy. I was like, great now I'm crazy.
(25:04):
Am I gonna have to kill myself as a public service,
you know, like one more crazy person that needs care?
And I just was like, you know what, what if
this is just a dark valley and that somewhere on
the other side there's light again. And that is basically
how with my mom's illness. My dad died shortly thereafter,
(25:25):
probably the stress taking care of my mom, and that
was all dramatic and crazy, and that was the next
layer of trying to get through all of this. And
I think this is how I came to these concepts,
right like, how is my mom able to be without
her identity? Her brain, the thing that we give so
(25:47):
much power to that we struggle with, you know, like
I want to quit smoking. Why would I put water
on the cigarettes? Throw them in the trash can and
a couple hours later, go get the hair dryer and
be dry and I'm off so I can have a cigarette.
How can the brain want to not smoke and want
to smoke? Right? And then the pleasure point rationalizes, right,
(26:12):
quit tomorrow, or it's just one or you know, and
you can put almost anything that sabotages us into that category.
But I can't help it. My brain says, I need it.
I can't help it. And then this new construct changed
everything about my life. I ended up going to Indonesia
(26:32):
and starting the kicks, like believing in myself from the
scraps of that stitch together thing I stitched together in
my own purse and I was like, oh my god,
we can make stuff. It works. I still have it.
And that was a long time ago, almost twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I was going to ask you how long ago it
was and was it always so Indonesia? It sounds like
you just went and did it, but I don't think
it was not quite of a snap decision. But what
made you choose Indonesia? What made you choose, I guess
just basically go down that path and why they're.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I sent out a lot of proposals to nonprofits. One
in Vancouver, these two guys that struggle with albinism, who
were helping sub Sahara, Africa with their problem with albinism.
There's a whole other topic we can talk about for hours.
So I sent them to these places and there was
this organization called YUM and I said, hey, yeah, because
I was like, I would like to work with your organization,
(27:28):
but I need to get funded first. So it was
kind of this dicey sort of situation and they were
like sure. And basically the construct was you buy the bags.
There's like almost zero carbon outside of maybe some transportation stuff,
no waste. They're all handmade, they're all hand painted, and
they were mending the world one stitch at a time,
(27:51):
dealing with disproportionate economic situations in a positive kind of
conscientious capitalistic way, and proceeds goes back to the group
stitching them where they get to decide what they want
to do for their environment whether and these people wanted
to build a pre k and when I went over there,
(28:14):
I ended up staying in this orphanage and it was
wild to be four days to get there, you know,
Bahasa Indonesia. You know, it was amazing. So they were
able to say yes tentative to my own my success
getting the funding, got it, went over there, trained these
(28:35):
beautiful women. It was a gorgeous thing, and then I
was just kind of a one man show for a
long time. People love that I have the closet filled
with them, and that whole project kind of went on
the burner as I started moving more into becoming a
transformational mentor and taking that my veulture showing and all
(28:55):
of that into helping people transform their lives and make
everything easy. Yeah, so that's how that all crazy together together.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, how long were you over there for in Indonesia?
All total? It took you four days to get there.
How long did you stay?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
It was ten days total?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It must have been pretty eye opening. What was kind
of the most revealing that you uh, because nobody knows.
We read about or we hear things, but when you
got there, what did you see that was like, Wow,
I didn't expect that, or he expected something differently and
it was better than you thought. Like what kind of
changed your perspective of Indonesia.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You know, I think we romanticize everything outside of our experience, right,
or we project the fear or whatever. People are people,
you know, their restaurants, there are people that have kids.
There are like big highways there. It is. So I
went to Jakarta first, and it is.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's the main city, I believe, right, the main is
that their capital city, I think Jakarta.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, yeah, on the island of Java, there's a I
think it's an archipelago of thirty thousand islands which comes Indonesia,
which is another right.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, mind blowing theater. Hear about it.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, it's amazing, yeah, yeah, but it just the traffic
is still to me incomprehensible how people even go out,
Like there's.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
The road system. Is there any kind of like like
we have traffic lights, we have stop signed stuff like
that over here that we're used to kind of rules,
we have traffic monitors, police. Do they have any of
that kind of thing over there or is it just
for all from what I've heard, Well.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, they absolutely have it. And now went I went
from Jakarta up into the mountains Chipanis and there there
it gets a little crazy. You know. The further you
get out, I guess out of the city and I
didn't go any other place. But there's just so many cars.
(30:57):
There's so many people. Like if you're going to go
so where, it's like parking. You know, I'm in Houston,
traffic's not yeah, la, but like really so I've been
to Cairo also, it's one of those mega cities and
again it's like four lanes of traffic and six lanes
are driving. Wow, and it's you know, alla, trust alla.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
And it's just like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Somehow these people navigate it. But there's also just like
so much poverty and people are giving their kids to
be raised to other people. This orphanage was doing it.
It's like not because they've been abandoned, they just can't
afford their kids. They're such a delightful culture. They're so
magnanimous and so smiling in spite of that. But you know,
(31:45):
we're all people. We're all people, you know, that's really
the thing. Like it it seems like, you know, the
other side of the globe, because it is and they're people,
and they're also critical of their government and I feel
like it's corrupt and you know, the money wins and
now we flood. I mean, some of the topics are
(32:08):
exactly the same.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, for sure. People are people, right, and they just
are all. We all feel the same no matter where
we are in the world. We always feel like there's
a reason why we're in the position we're in and
we're not, or why we have and have not. So
it's some we all forget. We all think we're different,
but we're all connected by that and our same beliefs.
We're all humans who think and feel the same way
like that. It's just we live in different parts of
the world. But a lot of people living in this
part of that part forget that. I think. I know
(32:35):
it's worse now than ever I think, but that's unfortunate.
That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Too, especially some places.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, exactly, some places in the country, some places in
the world. Yeah, now I hear you. You make everything
easier is of course the title of the book. But
that is a great line. That's a great statement for
anything in anyone's life, doing anything at all. Did you what,
I guess, what gave you that epiphany? What gave you
that idea? I guess after coming from in Indonesia, coming
back home, starting to help other people through helping people
(33:05):
with their physical mental detoks, which is a big task.
It's basically you're helping other people when a lot of
people work to help themselves. What made you, I guess,
decide to instead of just going back and doing a
nine to five job, or going back and taking a
different career. What made you decide to just want to
keep giving of yourself and helping people more and more
in any way you could?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
You know, now that I've released into it, there was
a lot of resistance. I can link this back to
probably being two years old. I think it's always been
in me to want to, you know, help a friend,
give insight, sit longer with a you know, like sitting
there with my mom, trying to sort it into some
I don't know, meaning or purpose or.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Way by listening to somebody listening to what they're going through.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh, absolutely, which can be.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Hard to do as a listener, because some we're always intense.
We always want to say something from our part. Oh
I just thought jumped into my head. I want to
do it right now too, But I just say something
and get it off, And that's how it's all conversation works.
But it's hard to listen and just stop and actually
hear somebody, right, and.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I've definitely got the ADHD interrupt and let's just rumble together.
As you've probably already notice that.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
That's part of this. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, but it's good.
You hear so much when you listen, right. It sounds
so simple, but it's so true.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's so true. And I don't know if that it
was just to listen, although I do have a pretty
large capacity now. It's the desire to want people not
to suffer. You know. Every birthday I am, you know,
get the blow out the candle to wish, and I
(34:42):
think all the stuff I wanted, and by the time
I got to the candle, I'd be like, what are
world peace? You know? And I thought everybody else was
doing yeah, but I really was like, well, at the
end of the day, if this is if I really
get a wish. You know, I'm a kid, right, I'm like,
I'm wishing for world peace, like I'm gonna make it count.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, And you mean it and you feel that in you, right,
and you want that to happen.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah. I did. And then you know, you get older
and you're like, wow, I thought being an adult was
going to.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Be like, oh, it's less than no and yeah, as.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's perks, but.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, exactly got to pay the bills and do what
other piece to have to do something. A lot of
people have to work for somebody, so I mean, you
have to listen to somebody else, you have to do
what works for you. It's great, there's high moments, as
that's the joy of life. It's high moments, low moments,
but it's a learning opportunity, which is what it's supposed
to be.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think, yeah, but I thought once you're an adult,
you knew it all.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, it just came into your brain. That's it. We're done.
Everything programmed like a computer. It's all programmed. Your set
your factory, right out of the factory, ready to go.
Nice maybe, but maybe you don't want to be the
fun in that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, So bringing it all together, I think it was
also when I was in Indonesia. I remember I was
in this little bathroom like basically like showering with a cup,
and I remember just touching the walls and feeling such
intense gratitude. There were probably no words, and it was
(36:16):
like I could rectify the pain of losing my parents,
my mother was still kind of alive, and just like
because I saw my own mortality, and it pushed me
beyond the limit of staying small or not, you know,
pursuing a dream, even if it was just like the
bags like I made. I know that it's a viable business.
(36:38):
I know that you can do it, and there are
people that love it and they are amazing people in
the world, and it's sitting there waiting for people who
are really awesome business people to go forward with that.
With me, I learned that I'm not not that type
of entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Is somebody is somebody else take did someone take that
over someone else to? And are you making the bags
or do you.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
That would be like a whole structure, like you know,
I mean I would I could definitely partner with that,
but it's just like the bigger Like I was running
around like a crazy person to shops and creating inventories
and then shipping stuff to Indonesia and then labeling and
you're a.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
One woman show on that right for and that's that
takes a lot of time and it's a lot It's yeah,
I can understand that. How long did you actually do
all that for? Like actually full like full time, fall
all into it.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Four years. I mean from the conception of taking a
scrap from that art sewn together thing, like what can
I do with this? My studio had a shop of
handmade stuff. I was like, I'll make bags, and then
it just kind of.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Grew from there in four years. While it's a long time,
it's a lot of work in four years to handle
just by yourself, it's amazing. It's an amazing Well, thank you,
I help a lot of people, hopefully. Did you get
feedback on how you helped and made a difference. Did
you hear anything about that? Did you get some kind
of I guess acknowledgement of everything you did or try
to do?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You know, absolutely, there's still fans that come into town
and then they're like, hey, can I go Can I
go to your closet? Can I buy some bed?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Do you still have a closet for Like you said, right,
stuff was like a little treasure chest, a secret guard
and a secret closet of all your bags. Yeah, I
get it.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, But you asked this question, like where did you
come to the make everything easier? Just to circle back there,
when I kind of came out of the closet and
started doing this work because I was doing it on
the download, helping people with all the stuff I had
learned over twenty five years of kind of navigating a
lot of hard stuff, you know, a lot of alone.
(38:47):
You know, I sit alone wondering am I going to
die like this? And I have such great credit and
pay my bills. This can take at least two months
before somebody discovers my dead body, you know, just.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Crazy thoughts like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Like how do you feel peace when the world feels
out of control? You know? And so I started working
with people, and I noticed over the years everyone after
a while working with me, they were like, well, it
just got easier. I was like, did it just get easier?
Did it just get easier after you know, ten years
of dealing with this problem, you know, a couple of
(39:21):
years not being able to get over this relationship with
a narcissist or just didn't go well, and all of
a sudden it just got easier. Like they're just their
minds are blown. How radically they shift. And in the
program it used to be tapping down the walls of overwhelm.
There was one I can't remember what the one big
(39:42):
results was the original one, and then one day it
was like, oh my gosh. When I was getting the
book together, it's like everybody says it in one way
or another, it just got easier.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
And so that's yeah, wow, and just yeah, it's probably
and that's how you came over that. That's to make
everything easier, because it just one day it just you
were going through and going through and then one day
it just stop. That's time healing the wounds or time
healing and everything that you're going through and just moving
on or something else coming into your life as well too.
That kind of changes your perspective. New person, new job,
(40:15):
new people, just new house, new things, just kind of
change everything too. So that made everything easier. So it
just happens.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, I put together a really intense program where I
see clients three hours two to three hours once a
week for twelve weeks, and it radically transforms super fast basically,
and that's the emotional detox. Yeah, so that skeleton stops
controlling you. You keep the superpowers you learn by having
(40:44):
coping mechanisms like hyper vigilance. Right, if you have anxiety
that tense and people like go no, but I can
do a lot and I'm aware of a lot, but
it's exhausting, right and exactly, Yeah, but so what if
you calm the part that feels compelled to do that
for your survival, keep the ability to be aware, right,
(41:08):
you keep the superpower, and then you you you actually
go in and you rescue the original part that started
feeling that need, you know, like to come right, and
you bring it back the wholeness. Yeah, so you start
you you it's it's never like forced. It is an
(41:31):
unfolding and then everything naturally gets easier. There's no white
knuckling it, making yourself down right, making yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Not pay forcing yourself. Yeah, you can't force it, Yeah,
not like that.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
How many times as a person said, hey, I need
to lose ten pounds, oh you know certain people, right,
and then how often you the ten pounds?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Not very depending yeah, you know, or they'll but generally speaking, yeah,
and they'll loser, will come back, or it will change
or it's not or they want to get the tennis
not enough. Yeah, but you.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Can't make yourself. You can't like grow yourself into feeling
better or stopping the need for chips. If that's the
only way at some point in your life.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's already to be happy with the
times I have. It's been amazing talking to you. I
don't want to lose you. It's about to count down here,
but you have so many people and you continue to
do so. It's amazing what you do and I'm glad
you're able to share some of that here for your book.
Where people want to get at? What socials are you on?
Where can people find you and your book to connect
with you and kind of maybe spend those hours a
(42:42):
day with you if they need to. Where can they
do that?
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Start your beetter life dot com is my website. There's
a link to my book. You can go to Amazon.
Make Everything Easier by Whitney Riley. I'm all over all
the socials, but that's if you go to my website. Basically,
it's one stop shop and you can take it to
your favorite place that you like Instagram ever.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
It's great talking to you, Whitney. I really appreciate the time,
and hopefully people will check out more of your story
just by listening to this, and there's so much more
to get into, but we hopefully can do it again.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I would love to thank you so much for having me.
This has been great me too.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Thanks Whitney. You've been listening to the Nobody's or Somebody's
podcast with chadvice, and this podcast has been voted as
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