May 24, 2025 • 41 mins
In this episode, I'm talking with Catherine Basilicata, and she is about to release a book [in 2025] titled 'The Untold Story', a compilation of individual chapter stories evolved into a complete reeling series story. We discuss why she wrote this book, what she hopes to accomplish with it, and some impactful events in her life that led to this point. This is, only some, of Catherine's story! Catherine on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/UntoldStoryCatherineBasilicata https://www.facebook.com/catherine.basilicata.1 Catherine on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/catherine.basilicata
https://www.facebook.com/UntoldStoryCatherineBasilicata https://www.facebook.com/catherine.basilicata.1 Catherine on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/catherine.basilicata
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Nobodies are Somebodies.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, all right, everybody, it's me Chad Advice. Welcome to
the Nobody's Are Somebody's podcast, And my conversation this week
is with Catherine Baska Lakata. Hopefully I didn't butcher her name.
I'm always great with last names, like me Chad Vsi.
And it's a good conversation. I've been wanting to do
(00:26):
this with her for a long long time now, since
we connected first over on Instagram, which you can find
her over there. Put in her name and you'll be
able to find her. And she's written a book. It's
called The Untold Story, which, like I say to her
later on in this conversation, you're gonna hear it. I said,
you know, people put out a book and until it's
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out there, until people get to read it or experience it,
everything is an untold story in that regard. So why
that title, What did that title basically to mean to her?
And why did she feel so strongly about that and
want to make that and want to make that the
title of her book. She can get into and we
get into all that and more about well, her life
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and what led her to want to write a book.
A few things from the book, not a whole lot,
because I want to save it for the book when
it comes out. Of course, I don't want to do
any spoilers for her book. She's had a lot of
ups and a lot of downs in her life, as
many people do, but some of her lows have been
pretty low, and we touched upon a few of those
(01:30):
things too, And I'll be real with you here, it
got a little emotional from her at some point when
I'd ask her when we would touch on some things
that were maybe a little bit more sensitive or kind
of dig a little bit into what just to open
up a bit about some of the things that she's
been through. So we get into a little bit of
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that as well too. It's a great conversation, very heartfelt,
very honest, very real, and that's what her book is
going to be all about. So I've been friends with
Catherine for a bit now, connected through social media, and
then really got to know her, and I think this
is a really good story that I think you're gonna
enjoy and I can't wait for her book to be released,
as she mentions the date that the date that it
will be released in the conversation as well, So look
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out for that. But yeah, she's living in Australia, originally
being born and in its originally being born in Italy
and then moving to Australia when she was young. So
she talks about her life growing up there and all
the stuff after that too, and and we go from there.
So this intro is gonna go from here and go
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right into Catherine connect with me all over the socials.
Nobody's are Somebody's podcast on Facebook, chad Vice at sebcamco
dot com, s e b C A mco dot com.
If you want to be a guest or want to
tell me about a show opportunity, I'd love to hear
(02:53):
about that. Chad Vice over on Facebook. And yeah, you
can catch me on Instagram as well, Advice look for
me there. I'm not on Twitter x pretty much anymore,
kind of got nothing really wrong, nothing bad. I just
don't have time to get on it and post a
lot there. You can still find me there at Sebcamco,
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but I'm more on the Facebook email as well as Instagram.
You can connect with me there and connect with the
show as well. Send a message, send a direct message
to the Nobody's or Somebody's Podcast Facebook page, and Catherine
will tell you all about where you can connect with
her if you want to, you know, send some love
and positivity to her. I'm sure she'd really appreciate that.
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And so what I So let's get down to it now.
My conversation with Catherine all the way down in Australia.
I might here on nobody's or somebody's podcast with me
chad vice, chad vice, a chad vice advice, give you
some advice, So nice chad advice. There you go. I
got it right. I'll get the hang of this podcast
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thing eventually. Catherine, how are you?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I'm good?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I'm doing wonderful. I'm happy to talk to you in
real life, real FaceTime.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's about time. So I can't wait to hear about
who you are. But to start me off, pretend like
I don't know you at all. I almost don't tell
me a bit about you. Where are you, where you're from?
Tell me a bit about who is Catherine. I'm not
going to try to pronounce your last name.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, Beslicata, there we go.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's a little Coata sounds Italian? Are you from Italy?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I will while I was born here, But then when
I was two years old, I left and lived in
Cossetta in Italy with my father's family, and then my
parents brought me back here.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Here is Australia, Right.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
In Australia, I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah yeah. And then eighteen years ago I moved to Wollongong.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, now where about is that close to like Brisbane
or is it like? Where is that?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Major cities in near Sydney?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
It's about it now and aha from Sydney, drive by car?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, yeah, makes sense. And when you were in Italy,
where did you live near? Like, what was that close to?
Was it near like Naples or where were.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You kind of likes?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, So why did you guys move to Australia, of
all places? Why not somewhere else in Europe? Why not
in the US? Why not Canada? What was happening in
Australia that moved your family?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay? My father's family in Italy, my mother's family in Sicily,
even they wanted to keep maybe cool. Was all My
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family are dark with brown eyes, black hair, olive skin.
Then I come out fair apparently and genetically my Greg
Greg Greg Gret great grandmother, same looks as me, and
they wanted to keep me, but my parents said no,
(06:24):
we're taking her to Australia. My dad it was a
five star shift at the Hilton, and he wanted to
make money. He felt that he could make money in Australia.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
More than Italy as far as being a chef, like
he's an Italian or was an Italian chef? Yeah, yes,
I'm kind of surprised about that.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But also it was an arranged marriage between my parents.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Okay, was it a huge age difference? No, just not
just arranged by a family like their family.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It was arranged by both their parents. But my father
was probably about a couple of years younger than my mom.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, I got you. So he thought he could make
it bigger what he was doing in Australia. Correct, And
he did, and he did, and then what happened next
to you? Guys moved there? What happens next with your life?
How long are you there for?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well? The well after that the rest of my life.
But then my parents passed. My mom passed first from cancer.
Then about about a year and a half ago, my
father passed.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Oh that's all right.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Were them both I was more.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I had a deeper connection to my father than my mother.
We all I could, he knew me before having to
say anything. He knew we had a deeper understanding without words,
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and it was easier. We were just both the same,
both larger than life, like to be happy, but at
the same time in all seriousness, like to help others
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to one for stories.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
That sounds good. It sounds like a real positive family upbring.
And that's uh, you know, honestly, if I'm being honest,
I don't hear that a lot these days, especially when
I talk to different people. It's everyone has a mixed
to almost no connection with their parents. Myself included my dad.
It was never really part of my life for those
who know, so it's it's it's refreshing to hear someone
who had a deep connection not only with their father,
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but with their family, their parents in general, and that
they stayed in touch and there was like a deep
connection as we said, uh up and for all their
life and all your life, which helps you, I would believe,
helps you in your adult years and yourself becoming a
parent as well, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And I have one daughter. But it's just a shame
that the all my family are in Italy and so
I'm just tea in Australia about myself.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Have you gotten Yeah, I was gonna. Have you gone
back to visit them? Or have you just pretty much
stayed in Australia.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I mean I'm in constant contact with them in the
same why that we to communicate?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Okay, that's good. Yeah, do you ever have plans to
go back? Or can you or will you?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Or I can? I can if I want, I can.
I can actually live anywhere in the world with my passport.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Okay, Well that's very cool, but you choose not to
or you.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Just waiting, waiting, waiting.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Is there a specific reason that you want to share.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh, okay, I'm just waiting patiently. I'm a very very
patient being. It's just the way I was brought up.
And I believe that when you have a special connection
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with someone, then they're with waiting for when they eventually
come into your life. And I'm a person that follows.
I follow in my heart, I follow what my mind.
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It's linked.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well that's good. A lot of people should do that.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You should teach. You should teach a class or teach
a course or provide some online mentorship for something about
number one patients and number two following your heart, right,
that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
That's all right. Not many people do, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
True, maybe myself included. So I forget how we first
communicated or first got in contact. I know it was
over Instagram, and I believe it was about which is
no spoiler alert. We're talking. We're going to be talking
about your book, The Untold Story, which hasn't been released yet,
but it's a big lead up to that, and there's
so much there that we could discuss what time we have.
(12:00):
I want to fit in as much as we can,
but I want to get to kind of the story
that leads you up to even writing a book, because
a lot of people anything here. I'll put it like this,
So anytime someone releases a book, especially for the first time,
it's probably an untold story. For the most part, people
don't know the story. Otherwise, why would they buy the book?
Why would they watch the movie if they've already know
the history, if they've always seen it? You know what
I mean? Everything is the untold story, but this is
(12:20):
centered around the name the Untold Story. Without giving away
all the book, without giving away too much that you
don't want to. Basically, how do we go from you're
living in Australia to feeling like you have a story
that you want to share with the world, A very personal,
a very important story. But where does that come from? Like,
how do we kind of get there? If you want
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to describe some of your life leading up to this,
if you can.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Okay, Well, firstly, I have always had a deep seated
passion for writing, as it's a source of an outlet
for me.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Sorry I should have asked you, is this going to
be your first book? Or have you written stuff?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
No? No, no, no no no no no no no no. I've
been published before.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I don't think I ever do that. I don't think
I've ever asked you that, So it's good to know.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, I've I'm actually one awards internationally for individual pieces
to beginning to start off with, and then that evolved.
That led to my first published book entitled Saying Uinity
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back in two year two thousand under a different publisher.
But though that was different, completely different to this one
and dark.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But so have you always been a writer? Is this
your main No?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
No, no, no no no, I've done a lot of
things in my life.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I I have managed my father's restaurant because he didn't
understand English. So I did that for him for eight years,
worked myself to the bone, seven days a week, no
bublic holidays, no nothing. I studied cosmetician that I left
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then I when I before, way before writing this book.
I'm told story. How do I say? I? I studied
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a little bit of ology to deal with what I
was going through, how to cope and understand people better,
because I felt, unfortunately some people were drawn to the
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good side of me and they saw the good energy
and they just tried to drag the the good energy
out of.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Me, so I take it away for themselves.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes. And also back then living with my mom, I
just had to learn to deal how to better manage
her by helping her it it. It helped me in
that source in that sense. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
No, no, my my.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The toilet at my place is being fixed. So I
thought I'd go to the beach somewhere where it's quiet.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I don't hear anything, I don't hear any background.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Io.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And then after everything I had been through in and
out of hospital, I felt I needed something just put
a pen in my hand and I just started to
write everything, everything, and I felt that it just needed
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to be shared.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
This is this is the beginning of what you what
would become the Untold.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Story correct correct. So aside from child who could abuse, mistreatment,
and domestic violence, there's drug lord crimes and of course
mafia crimes, death, physical, mental, and financial abuse runs through
these talks, these shorts chapter stories which you which explore
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these broader themes of identity, heritage and power and how
to reach out for help in assistance.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
These are all things you've experienced over your childhood.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Anything I've experienced, everything witnessed, everything I've seen.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Can you can you expand on any of those that
you feel you count at this time, just to give
people an idea describing well, just well, just like any
one of those you mentioned a bunch of different things,
right sons or a part of again without giving away
(18:02):
within the book, because I want people to go to
the book when it's released and that's where they can
read the details, but just to give a general idea
of kind of what you're talking about, or one of
those you want to expand on, just to kind of
give like a you know, not it's a bad word
to use, teaser, but like just basically a snapshot.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, there's one one particular piece that
actually reflects me. I'm I'm lucky to be alive because
of it. That's in relation to being stalked and connected
(18:39):
to mafia, but I survived due to thankfully through my
my father helped me. There is that little snippet that's
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just in that aspect. I don't like to give too much,
but I have flat lined a lot and come out
on top very very strong.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh absolutely, that's that's evident, and like there's no surprise.
We've talked quite a bit before this conversation on the record, right, So,
getting to know you, you would never know, not like you're
hiding anything, but it's you would never know. With your positivity,
the way you carry yourself now, the way you outlook
on the things you're doing, obviously your daughter, there's lots
of helpful and positive things in your life. You would
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never know that you've you don't let it get you down.
Is guess what I'm getting to You seem like you have,
like you said, flat line, now you're coming back and
you've overcome so many things now you're on the on
the front end, trying to recreate your life and redo it,
and you're happy, you're in a good place now. Basically,
I would assume, right, correct, And that's very obvious.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, thank you, no problem.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
So let me well, let me turn it around this
way then, so okay for a book. So we'll save
the nitty gritty for the book. But as far as
the book itself, now, it sounds like, and that's not
hard to tell that there's a lot of very real,
very impactful things. Yeah, you're going to be in this book.
Did you have any trouble? Did anyone ever tell you,
(20:30):
whether it be a publisher, an editor, yourself, a lawyer,
did anyone say that, oh, you can't put this in
a book, you can't release this information, you have to
change the names.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Was there anything I did that ahead of time? Right?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
But was there a lot of that to overcome? Did
you have to really censor yourself? What did you What
kind of concessions, if any, did you make for the
book when you sat down and put pen to paper.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, Well, for instance, I changed instead of a hey,
I changed it to a sheet a name. I changed
the name to a different name. Altogether to protect that person.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Because you were advised to or because you thought.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You know, it's my it was my I felt the
need that it was important to protect myself and protect
the people around me, and not that that way, there's
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no connection two those people to me. So that way
I've done it. I knew way way ahead I had
to do that. I knew that from the start.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Are you worried about anybody's reaction when the book does
come out.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, it's designed for everyone that will it's it's it's
the unthinkable. It's about survival, it's the unthinkable.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Are you worried that people may not believe it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
To a degree?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
But it's actually true, it's very very true.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But but when I wrote it, it was like a
part of me just releasing it on paper. Leave it
where it is on paper, and people take what they
can from it, and I'm hoping that it will help them,
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that it will inspire them to have believed that they're worthy,
believe that they can survive anything, no matter how, no
matter how, no matter no matter how, no matter how.
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But it is.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Where on a lighter note, where does the book start? Like,
did you start it at adulthood? Childhood, Like where does
it kind of begin? Can you say that? Like, how
much does the cover of your life from beginning very
beginning to write this moment? How far does it go.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Before? I was ten, right until I woke up in
the hospital after having three blood clots removed from my brain,
sorry two blood cloths. Actually not knowing why I'm in hospital,
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not knowing what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
This is when you said earlier, when you were in
the hospitals, this is what you're referring to.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Correct But I was in hospital a lot of times
before that. But I just I had no one. I
had no one to help me. I had no one
to pick me up, I had no one to support me.
In a sense, I guess that's what happens when you
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lose people that you care and care for and also family,
and especially when you're you're arm pulled away from your
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family and pulled away from your friends.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Choice.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, it's taken out of your hands. You you're you're stuck.
You're stuck. You're stuck. You're thinking you're doing You're thinking
that you're staying for a cause. But in a sense,
it's actually it's not the right reason. I can't say
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why I stayed for the purpose of for a party.
Reasons for that person. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Your daughter obviously she knows you're you've written a book, Yes,
you've she knows your story. She's an adult now.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Correct, Yes, she's eight, Yes, she's eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Eighteen, so she knows your story. You've obviously told her
your story long before this book. Right, she's not going
to see this for the first time. Correct, Oh no, no, no,
hear about it. Should say.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, she's a great supporter.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I was going to say, so, how does she react
to you doing a book about this? Is she, you know,
confident that she's happy you're sharing your story. Does she
feel embarrassed because she doesn't want details about your family
out there? She's connected to what's her feeling?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
There's no, there's no there is actually no.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I've made it in a way that there are no names, right,
So that way it's protecting her.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So she's totally on board that she's happy for doing
this for you getting out.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, yes, to the point where she wishes to be
as strong as me. And that's the reason why she's
very strong to die as well. And I'm proud of her.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
She uh, yeah, I know and the way you talk
about her too in the conversations we've had. The pride
is uh, you know, it's it's it's hard to hide
a now that you want. It's very easy to see. Yeah, yeah,
so she's uh, she's your pride and joy, and I'm
sure she feels the same way about you, which is
great to see.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yes, it is. It is.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
How long has this taken as far as? Okay, I'm
gonna write these feelings down on paper, and then I'm
gonna get them, you know, into a story. I'm gonna
make it all floats and make it sense, make it
a book. Did you know right when you put the
pen to paper it was going to be a book?
Or do you just want to get your feelings out
on paper and just see how it went from there?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I had to. I used to it. I actually wrote
in the dark. I wrote it like in.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
A room, like with no lights on, like on a
nightpad with a little little light, and.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Actually written anything in the dark. I never actually tried that.
Maybe not. I want to just starting.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
A little bit, you know, like a night light, you know,
in my room, and I hit it. I hid nobody
knew I was writing this, and I hit it in
the draw and I kept editing it and kept editing
it and kept editing it until I felt it was right.
(28:56):
And it took five years. You know, right, this this
this story, this story. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
At the any point did you start to second guess
it or maybe want to give up?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, I don't think. No. It was like I was
forced to, like it was a purpose. There's a purpose
behind writing, and like it had to be shared for
some reason. It's like another force, another something was instilled
(29:44):
in me to do that, and it wouldn't let me go.
It just wouldn't let me stop until it was finished.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Mm hmm. You know, very powerful.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, and me is everything to me as well. It's
like my baby.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Oh I know, it's like your second this this is
your this is your boy, this is your son. Only
only stuns can be this difficult.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, exactly one.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Let me ask you again about the name the Untold Story.
We touched on. Of course everything is the Untold Story.
But why why the Untold Story? And did you have
any other ideas for other names for the book? In
the in the in your in your mind, it was
always the Untold Story? And then, if so, why it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
The untold story. It's actually just untold story, a story.
It's his story. No, no, no, no, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
His story, because that also sounds moombastic too, right, So.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
But it's yeah, it's just a it's a way. It's
it's done through written word, but their individual short chapter
stories and they all together to create a series. And
it's never been I've never seen it. I've never seen
(31:09):
it like a book like written this way.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
So did your publishers feel the same way for your
editors anybody? Yep, yeah, I would agree. I think it's
very cool as far as the ways laid out the
concept of it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes, yes, you know, I've had people are pursed. I've
had an illustrator draw me because that illustrator has got
connections to the movie world and he believes he can
see it in a movie. You know.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh, no doubt the story, I could say.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, And it's not like one of those series or
stories like that that you see and like Netflix, it's
something that's episodical. Yeah, but it reflects in today's society.
It helps with trauma, it helps seeking advice, not just advice,
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but help strive that person. Designed for the message to
help to reach out. There's got to be something that
they can do.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
To, right, it's not just Catherine's story, it's only Catherine
is about this is what happened to Catherine. It's Catherine
Catherine that nobody can connect to. They can empathize, but
maybe they can't, you know, feel it for themselves, or
take aspects of it from their life, their life, because
it's it's Catherine's story. But this way it sounds like
it's yes, it happened to you, Yes it's all true,
(32:54):
but it could also have or or will happen unfortunately
to other people and and to and to others.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Right, exactly, that's what I mean. That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's very good. And were you conscious of that when
you were writing it? Did you think I got to
make sure this is you know, more not general terms,
but did you think I got to make sure this
is universal versus just like Katherine, Catherine, Catherrine, this is only.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
No no, no, no, no no. I didn't want to write
it in a way. It's just like I didn't want
it to look like as if it was my story.
I didn't want it it to be written in a
sense like it's my biography, nothing nothing, no no, no,
no no. Everyone will take something from it.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Definitely very good, very good. Uh you mentioned the the
our drawing of you that the artist did. Is that
going to be the cover? I know the cover right
now where people people can see it on Instagram all
over socials. It's that the hands and the looks like
the hands or gypsy, which is great. Is that going
to be is your card or image? They are going
to be the main cover? Is it going to be
(33:58):
that the untold story, untold story with the hands? Do
you know what the cover is going to be like?
Or can you share?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
It'll be the one with the hands with the chains,
like the one that you see that was the one
that we designed. I justed with the my publisher, Pandor
And is the.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Drawing You're going to be included somewhere in the book
in the back or somewhere.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I think that would be a good idea.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I want it.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I want that to be I want his I believe
that it would be good.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well, if that's my idea, I want credit for it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Absolutely anyone. Yeah, yeah, you're the one.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I just want some kind of mention. It's already gone
to publishing. It's already a just Chad voice in.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
There, that's right. Yeah, and you're walking and you're walking
with me down that red carpet.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Oh, absolutely, for no other reason. Then my name is
in the book as conceptual collaborator. Absolutely very fun. Do
you Is it too soon to say when the book
will be out? Are you still figuring that out yet?
I probably Probabisher doesn't want to mention that yet. I
can if you don't want to, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I believe you spoke to be published.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yes, she didn't give me a dates. I don't know
that I can remember, so that's why I'm asking. But
if you can't, I don't remember her.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's in her hands, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
So she's controlling the release date?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Correct? Okay, not even I really?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, that's too bad.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's got to be this year. It's definitely this.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, yeah, we're well. Do you know where people will
be able to get? Obviously to be a download people
who like to do that now, but can there's gonna
be a Is it gonna be a hardcover or paperback?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Do you know that life hot cup up? Type it back?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Usually hardcover? First audiobook too? Okay, audio a book, Well,
are you going to narrate it? You know a lot
of people like when you when you A lot of
people sorry, well, because a lot of people like when
(36:11):
they when they listen to audio books, they like to
hear from the author's mouth, right, So I mean hearing
it you with your accidents, I mean with your your story. Still,
I mean it's very tedious from what I understand. We're
going recording the line by line. Nope, do it again,
No again again. I can imagine that.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Being Yeah, you know that video, Tila, You know that video, Tyla.
I started to record myself to be honest with you,
and I kept like, I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy
with myself.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I wasn't happy with your or the way you were
saying it.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
No, I just like, I kept like, sort of because.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
It's not your voice in the video trailer.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Arranged. I arranged my assistant to do it. She yeah,
I said, well, actually, sorry, tell your sistance be honest
with you, to be totally honest with you. She's actually
(37:16):
a friend. And I told her, I said, stop do
that again. Stop do that again. No, no, keep doing
You're gonna stop coughing.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Stop the dog from Barricie and stop crying. You can.
You can have that same problem whenever it's when it comes.
You can have that same trouble when it comes time
for you to record. Someone's gonna do the same to you.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Something to think about though, if you want to do
the audio audiobook and you can have it in my
voice really okay, you're willing Chad voice over over overview,
Maybe maybe I'll do the introduction or the epilogue. Maybe Okay,
where you are now? Yeah, I can do the where
you are now part.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I'll send you I'll send you my rates.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
After that would be after the relay and after the sales,
and then.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You would get Yeah, I can only go up from that, right,
so oh yeah, opening modification. What's not open to modification
is this conversation you. It's been great talking to you, Catherine.
Of course, I've only got about four minutes in this
official chat before it lets me go. I don't want
to cut you out, but for now, talk to people
(38:31):
about where they can connect with you if they wish to,
if they want to know more about what's coming up
in the book, or just get to know you as
a person. Which socials are you on the most and
where can people find you? For you? So willing?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Okay, I'm on Instagram, which is all lower case Catherine
with a C C I T H E r I
N E dot Basilicata b I s I l I
c I t I, And I'm also on I've got
(39:03):
two accounts on Facebook, as you know.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, one is under one was hacked. Yeah, you're the
final inbox review.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Unbelievable if you got it?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, thanks, the final. At least you're the final.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And I have to wait until the sixth of what
was it the sixth of May before I can change
it back thanks to basebook. Yeah, me too, change it
back to Catherine Besoli Kata and then also on Facebook
published auta yea very very cool media page.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
With the two minutes or so left? Is there anything
on the horizon for you? Is there another book after this?
Are you going to do more work with the current books?
Were doing more of the book after it comes out?
Maybe a tour?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Do you? What?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Do you plan? More podcasts better than this one? The
questional ones in this one, only the best ones.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
At least you make me laugh. Come on, That's how.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I got it's not the host natural speaking voice, it's
the make you laugh part. I'll take it. I'll take it.
That's what I do here. Nobody's on Somebody's podcast with
me chadvice.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Absolutely, Catherine's been amazing.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I didn't even hear I didn't even notice that I've
got the accent. But thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
How can you not? Well, I guess you're used to it, right,
you can hear it.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
You should hear the other people here. I mean that's
really Australian accent.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Hell right, kriikey? So do you say that Araikey?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
No, I don't say kriikey.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do you use the C word like they do? I
can ask you that because I know you pretty well.
I wouldn't most of my guests. But do you like
to use a word a lot in conversation? But they do?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
They people European people.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
What I use the F wood?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, I thought her. Thanks so much, Capting, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Hekay.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
You've been listening to the Nobody's or Somebody's podcast with
Chad Wess and this podcast has been voted as the
number one podcast by people that don't vote
Nobodies are Somebodies.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, all right, everybody, it's me Chad Advice. Welcome to
the Nobody's Are Somebody's podcast, And my conversation this week
is with Catherine Baska Lakata. Hopefully I didn't butcher her name.
I'm always great with last names, like me Chad Vsi.
And it's a good conversation. I've been wanting to do
(00:26):
this with her for a long long time now, since
we connected first over on Instagram, which you can find
her over there. Put in her name and you'll be
able to find her. And she's written a book. It's
called The Untold Story, which, like I say to her
later on in this conversation, you're gonna hear it. I said,
you know, people put out a book and until it's
(00:47):
out there, until people get to read it or experience it,
everything is an untold story in that regard. So why
that title, What did that title basically to mean to her?
And why did she feel so strongly about that and
want to make that and want to make that the
title of her book. She can get into and we
get into all that and more about well, her life
(01:10):
and what led her to want to write a book.
A few things from the book, not a whole lot,
because I want to save it for the book when
it comes out. Of course, I don't want to do
any spoilers for her book. She's had a lot of
ups and a lot of downs in her life, as
many people do, but some of her lows have been
pretty low, and we touched upon a few of those
(01:30):
things too, And I'll be real with you here, it
got a little emotional from her at some point when
I'd ask her when we would touch on some things
that were maybe a little bit more sensitive or kind
of dig a little bit into what just to open
up a bit about some of the things that she's
been through. So we get into a little bit of
(01:51):
that as well too. It's a great conversation, very heartfelt,
very honest, very real, and that's what her book is
going to be all about. So I've been friends with
Catherine for a bit now, connected through social media, and
then really got to know her, and I think this
is a really good story that I think you're gonna
enjoy and I can't wait for her book to be released,
as she mentions the date that the date that it
will be released in the conversation as well, So look
(02:12):
out for that. But yeah, she's living in Australia, originally
being born and in its originally being born in Italy
and then moving to Australia when she was young. So
she talks about her life growing up there and all
the stuff after that too, and and we go from there.
So this intro is gonna go from here and go
(02:33):
right into Catherine connect with me all over the socials.
Nobody's are Somebody's podcast on Facebook, chad Vice at sebcamco
dot com, s e b C A mco dot com.
If you want to be a guest or want to
tell me about a show opportunity, I'd love to hear
(02:53):
about that. Chad Vice over on Facebook. And yeah, you
can catch me on Instagram as well, Advice look for
me there. I'm not on Twitter x pretty much anymore,
kind of got nothing really wrong, nothing bad. I just
don't have time to get on it and post a
lot there. You can still find me there at Sebcamco,
(03:13):
but I'm more on the Facebook email as well as Instagram.
You can connect with me there and connect with the
show as well. Send a message, send a direct message
to the Nobody's or Somebody's Podcast Facebook page, and Catherine
will tell you all about where you can connect with
her if you want to, you know, send some love
and positivity to her. I'm sure she'd really appreciate that.
(03:33):
And so what I So let's get down to it now.
My conversation with Catherine all the way down in Australia.
I might here on nobody's or somebody's podcast with me
chad vice, chad vice, a chad vice advice, give you
some advice, So nice chad advice. There you go. I
got it right. I'll get the hang of this podcast
(03:54):
thing eventually. Catherine, how are you?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I'm good?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I'm doing wonderful. I'm happy to talk to you in
real life, real FaceTime.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's about time. So I can't wait to hear about
who you are. But to start me off, pretend like
I don't know you at all. I almost don't tell
me a bit about you. Where are you, where you're from?
Tell me a bit about who is Catherine. I'm not
going to try to pronounce your last name.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, Beslicata, there we go.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's a little Coata sounds Italian? Are you from Italy?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I will while I was born here, But then when
I was two years old, I left and lived in
Cossetta in Italy with my father's family, and then my
parents brought me back here.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Here is Australia, Right.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
In Australia, I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah yeah. And then eighteen years ago I moved to Wollongong.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, now where about is that close to like Brisbane
or is it like? Where is that?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Major cities in near Sydney?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
It's about it now and aha from Sydney, drive by car?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, yeah, makes sense. And when you were in Italy,
where did you live near? Like, what was that close to?
Was it near like Naples or where were.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You kind of likes?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, So why did you guys move to Australia, of
all places? Why not somewhere else in Europe? Why not
in the US? Why not Canada? What was happening in
Australia that moved your family?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay? My father's family in Italy, my mother's family in Sicily,
even they wanted to keep maybe cool. Was all My
(06:02):
family are dark with brown eyes, black hair, olive skin.
Then I come out fair apparently and genetically my Greg
Greg Greg Gret great grandmother, same looks as me, and
they wanted to keep me, but my parents said no,
(06:24):
we're taking her to Australia. My dad it was a
five star shift at the Hilton, and he wanted to
make money. He felt that he could make money in Australia.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
More than Italy as far as being a chef, like
he's an Italian or was an Italian chef? Yeah, yes,
I'm kind of surprised about that.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But also it was an arranged marriage between my parents.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Okay, was it a huge age difference? No, just not
just arranged by a family like their family.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It was arranged by both their parents. But my father
was probably about a couple of years younger than my mom.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, I got you. So he thought he could make
it bigger what he was doing in Australia. Correct, And
he did, and he did, and then what happened next
to you? Guys moved there? What happens next with your life?
How long are you there for?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well? The well after that the rest of my life.
But then my parents passed. My mom passed first from cancer.
Then about about a year and a half ago, my
father passed.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Oh that's all right.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Were them both I was more.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I had a deeper connection to my father than my mother.
We all I could, he knew me before having to
say anything. He knew we had a deeper understanding without words,
(08:19):
and it was easier. We were just both the same,
both larger than life, like to be happy, but at
the same time in all seriousness, like to help others
(08:49):
to one for stories.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
That sounds good. It sounds like a real positive family upbring.
And that's uh, you know, honestly, if I'm being honest,
I don't hear that a lot these days, especially when
I talk to different people. It's everyone has a mixed
to almost no connection with their parents. Myself included my dad.
It was never really part of my life for those
who know, so it's it's it's refreshing to hear someone
who had a deep connection not only with their father,
(09:17):
but with their family, their parents in general, and that
they stayed in touch and there was like a deep
connection as we said, uh up and for all their
life and all your life, which helps you, I would believe,
helps you in your adult years and yourself becoming a
parent as well, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And I have one daughter. But it's just a shame
that the all my family are in Italy and so
I'm just tea in Australia about myself.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Have you gotten Yeah, I was gonna. Have you gone
back to visit them? Or have you just pretty much
stayed in Australia.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I mean I'm in constant contact with them in the
same why that we to communicate?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Okay, that's good. Yeah, do you ever have plans to
go back? Or can you or will you?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Or I can? I can if I want, I can.
I can actually live anywhere in the world with my passport.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Okay, Well that's very cool, but you choose not to
or you.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Just waiting, waiting, waiting.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Is there a specific reason that you want to share.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh, okay, I'm just waiting patiently. I'm a very very
patient being. It's just the way I was brought up.
And I believe that when you have a special connection
(10:51):
with someone, then they're with waiting for when they eventually
come into your life. And I'm a person that follows.
I follow in my heart, I follow what my mind.
(11:17):
It's linked.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well that's good. A lot of people should do that.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You should teach. You should teach a class or teach
a course or provide some online mentorship for something about
number one patients and number two following your heart, right,
that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
That's all right. Not many people do, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
True, maybe myself included. So I forget how we first
communicated or first got in contact. I know it was
over Instagram, and I believe it was about which is
no spoiler alert. We're talking. We're going to be talking
about your book, The Untold Story, which hasn't been released yet,
but it's a big lead up to that, and there's
so much there that we could discuss what time we have.
(12:00):
I want to fit in as much as we can,
but I want to get to kind of the story
that leads you up to even writing a book, because
a lot of people anything here. I'll put it like this,
So anytime someone releases a book, especially for the first time,
it's probably an untold story. For the most part, people
don't know the story. Otherwise, why would they buy the book?
Why would they watch the movie if they've already know
the history, if they've always seen it? You know what
I mean? Everything is the untold story, but this is
(12:20):
centered around the name the Untold Story. Without giving away
all the book, without giving away too much that you
don't want to. Basically, how do we go from you're
living in Australia to feeling like you have a story
that you want to share with the world, A very personal,
a very important story. But where does that come from? Like,
how do we kind of get there? If you want
(12:41):
to describe some of your life leading up to this,
if you can.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Okay, Well, firstly, I have always had a deep seated
passion for writing, as it's a source of an outlet
for me.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Sorry I should have asked you, is this going to
be your first book? Or have you written stuff?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
No? No, no, no no no no no no no no. I've
been published before.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I don't think I ever do that. I don't think
I've ever asked you that, So it's good to know.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, I've I'm actually one awards internationally for individual pieces
to beginning to start off with, and then that evolved.
That led to my first published book entitled Saying Uinity
(13:28):
back in two year two thousand under a different publisher.
But though that was different, completely different to this one
and dark.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But so have you always been a writer? Is this
your main No?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
No, no, no no no, I've done a lot of
things in my life.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I I have managed my father's restaurant because he didn't
understand English. So I did that for him for eight years,
worked myself to the bone, seven days a week, no
bublic holidays, no nothing. I studied cosmetician that I left
(14:31):
then I when I before, way before writing this book.
I'm told story. How do I say? I? I studied
(14:56):
a little bit of ology to deal with what I
was going through, how to cope and understand people better,
because I felt, unfortunately some people were drawn to the
(15:22):
good side of me and they saw the good energy
and they just tried to drag the the good energy
out of.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Me, so I take it away for themselves.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes. And also back then living with my mom, I
just had to learn to deal how to better manage
her by helping her it it. It helped me in
that source in that sense. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
No, no, my my.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The toilet at my place is being fixed. So I
thought I'd go to the beach somewhere where it's quiet.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I don't hear anything, I don't hear any background.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Io.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And then after everything I had been through in and
out of hospital, I felt I needed something just put
a pen in my hand and I just started to
write everything, everything, and I felt that it just needed
(16:46):
to be shared.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
This is this is the beginning of what you what
would become the Untold.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Story correct correct. So aside from child who could abuse, mistreatment,
and domestic violence, there's drug lord crimes and of course
mafia crimes, death, physical, mental, and financial abuse runs through
these talks, these shorts chapter stories which you which explore
(17:22):
these broader themes of identity, heritage and power and how
to reach out for help in assistance.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
These are all things you've experienced over your childhood.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Anything I've experienced, everything witnessed, everything I've seen.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Can you can you expand on any of those that
you feel you count at this time, just to give
people an idea describing well, just well, just like any
one of those you mentioned a bunch of different things,
right sons or a part of again without giving away
(18:02):
within the book, because I want people to go to
the book when it's released and that's where they can
read the details, but just to give a general idea
of kind of what you're talking about, or one of
those you want to expand on, just to kind of
give like a you know, not it's a bad word
to use, teaser, but like just basically a snapshot.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, there's one one particular piece that
actually reflects me. I'm I'm lucky to be alive because
of it. That's in relation to being stalked and connected
(18:39):
to mafia, but I survived due to thankfully through my
my father helped me. There is that little snippet that's
(19:09):
just in that aspect. I don't like to give too much,
but I have flat lined a lot and come out
on top very very strong.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh absolutely, that's that's evident, and like there's no surprise.
We've talked quite a bit before this conversation on the record, right, So,
getting to know you, you would never know, not like you're
hiding anything, but it's you would never know. With your positivity,
the way you carry yourself now, the way you outlook
on the things you're doing, obviously your daughter, there's lots
of helpful and positive things in your life. You would
(19:44):
never know that you've you don't let it get you down.
Is guess what I'm getting to You seem like you have,
like you said, flat line, now you're coming back and
you've overcome so many things now you're on the on
the front end, trying to recreate your life and redo it,
and you're happy, you're in a good place now. Basically,
I would assume, right, correct, And that's very obvious.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, thank you, no problem.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
So let me well, let me turn it around this
way then, so okay for a book. So we'll save
the nitty gritty for the book. But as far as
the book itself, now, it sounds like, and that's not
hard to tell that there's a lot of very real,
very impactful things. Yeah, you're going to be in this book.
Did you have any trouble? Did anyone ever tell you,
(20:30):
whether it be a publisher, an editor, yourself, a lawyer,
did anyone say that, oh, you can't put this in
a book, you can't release this information, you have to
change the names.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Was there anything I did that ahead of time? Right?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
But was there a lot of that to overcome? Did
you have to really censor yourself? What did you What
kind of concessions, if any, did you make for the
book when you sat down and put pen to paper.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, Well, for instance, I changed instead of a hey,
I changed it to a sheet a name. I changed
the name to a different name. Altogether to protect that person.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Because you were advised to or because you thought.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You know, it's my it was my I felt the
need that it was important to protect myself and protect
the people around me, and not that that way, there's
(21:30):
no connection two those people to me. So that way
I've done it. I knew way way ahead I had
to do that. I knew that from the start.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Are you worried about anybody's reaction when the book does
come out.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, it's designed for everyone that will it's it's it's
the unthinkable. It's about survival, it's the unthinkable.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Are you worried that people may not believe it.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
To a degree?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
But it's actually true, it's very very true.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But but when I wrote it, it was like a
part of me just releasing it on paper. Leave it
where it is on paper, and people take what they
can from it, and I'm hoping that it will help them,
(23:05):
that it will inspire them to have believed that they're worthy,
believe that they can survive anything, no matter how, no
matter how, no matter no matter how, no matter how.
(23:32):
But it is.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Where on a lighter note, where does the book start? Like,
did you start it at adulthood? Childhood, Like where does
it kind of begin? Can you say that? Like, how
much does the cover of your life from beginning very
beginning to write this moment? How far does it go.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Before? I was ten, right until I woke up in
the hospital after having three blood clots removed from my brain,
sorry two blood cloths. Actually not knowing why I'm in hospital,
(24:21):
not knowing what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
This is when you said earlier, when you were in
the hospitals, this is what you're referring to.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Correct But I was in hospital a lot of times
before that. But I just I had no one. I
had no one to help me. I had no one
to pick me up, I had no one to support me.
In a sense, I guess that's what happens when you
(24:59):
lose people that you care and care for and also family,
and especially when you're you're arm pulled away from your
(25:24):
family and pulled away from your friends.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Choice.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, it's taken out of your hands. You you're you're stuck.
You're stuck. You're stuck. You're thinking you're doing You're thinking
that you're staying for a cause. But in a sense,
it's actually it's not the right reason. I can't say
(25:53):
why I stayed for the purpose of for a party.
Reasons for that person. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Your daughter obviously she knows you're you've written a book, Yes,
you've she knows your story. She's an adult now.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Correct, Yes, she's eight, Yes, she's eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Eighteen, so she knows your story. You've obviously told her
your story long before this book. Right, she's not going
to see this for the first time. Correct, Oh no, no, no,
hear about it. Should say.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, she's a great supporter.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I was going to say, so, how does she react
to you doing a book about this? Is she, you know,
confident that she's happy you're sharing your story. Does she
feel embarrassed because she doesn't want details about your family
out there? She's connected to what's her feeling?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
There's no, there's no there is actually no.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I've made it in a way that there are no names, right,
So that way it's protecting her.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So she's totally on board that she's happy for doing
this for you getting out.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, yes, to the point where she wishes to be
as strong as me. And that's the reason why she's
very strong to die as well. And I'm proud of her.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
She uh, yeah, I know and the way you talk
about her too in the conversations we've had. The pride
is uh, you know, it's it's it's hard to hide
a now that you want. It's very easy to see. Yeah, yeah,
so she's uh, she's your pride and joy, and I'm
sure she feels the same way about you, which is
great to see.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yes, it is. It is.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
How long has this taken as far as? Okay, I'm
gonna write these feelings down on paper, and then I'm
gonna get them, you know, into a story. I'm gonna
make it all floats and make it sense, make it
a book. Did you know right when you put the
pen to paper it was going to be a book?
Or do you just want to get your feelings out
on paper and just see how it went from there?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I had to. I used to it. I actually wrote
in the dark. I wrote it like in.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
A room, like with no lights on, like on a
nightpad with a little little light, and.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Actually written anything in the dark. I never actually tried that.
Maybe not. I want to just starting.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
A little bit, you know, like a night light, you know,
in my room, and I hit it. I hid nobody
knew I was writing this, and I hit it in
the draw and I kept editing it and kept editing
it and kept editing it until I felt it was right.
(28:56):
And it took five years. You know, right, this this
this story, this story. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
At the any point did you start to second guess
it or maybe want to give up?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
No, I don't think. No. It was like I was
forced to, like it was a purpose. There's a purpose
behind writing, and like it had to be shared for
some reason. It's like another force, another something was instilled
(29:44):
in me to do that, and it wouldn't let me go.
It just wouldn't let me stop until it was finished.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Mm hmm. You know, very powerful.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, and me is everything to me as well. It's
like my baby.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Oh I know, it's like your second this this is
your this is your boy, this is your son. Only
only stuns can be this difficult.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, exactly one.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Let me ask you again about the name the Untold Story.
We touched on. Of course everything is the Untold Story.
But why why the Untold Story? And did you have
any other ideas for other names for the book? In
the in the in your in your mind, it was
always the Untold Story? And then, if so, why it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
The untold story. It's actually just untold story, a story.
It's his story. No, no, no, no, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
His story, because that also sounds moombastic too, right, So.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
But it's yeah, it's just a it's a way. It's
it's done through written word, but their individual short chapter
stories and they all together to create a series. And
it's never been I've never seen it. I've never seen
(31:09):
it like a book like written this way.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
So did your publishers feel the same way for your
editors anybody? Yep, yeah, I would agree. I think it's
very cool as far as the ways laid out the
concept of it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yes, yes, you know, I've had people are pursed. I've
had an illustrator draw me because that illustrator has got
connections to the movie world and he believes he can
see it in a movie. You know.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh, no doubt the story, I could say.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, And it's not like one of those series or
stories like that that you see and like Netflix, it's
something that's episodical. Yeah, but it reflects in today's society.
It helps with trauma, it helps seeking advice, not just advice,
(32:17):
but help strive that person. Designed for the message to
help to reach out. There's got to be something that
they can do.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
To, right, it's not just Catherine's story, it's only Catherine
is about this is what happened to Catherine. It's Catherine
Catherine that nobody can connect to. They can empathize, but
maybe they can't, you know, feel it for themselves, or
take aspects of it from their life, their life, because
it's it's Catherine's story. But this way it sounds like
it's yes, it happened to you, Yes it's all true,
(32:54):
but it could also have or or will happen unfortunately
to other people and and to and to others.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Right, exactly, that's what I mean. That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's very good. And were you conscious of that when
you were writing it? Did you think I got to
make sure this is you know, more not general terms,
but did you think I got to make sure this
is universal versus just like Katherine, Catherine, Catherrine, this is only.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
No no, no, no, no no. I didn't want to write
it in a way. It's just like I didn't want
it to look like as if it was my story.
I didn't want it it to be written in a
sense like it's my biography, nothing nothing, no no, no,
no no. Everyone will take something from it.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Definitely very good, very good. Uh you mentioned the the
our drawing of you that the artist did. Is that
going to be the cover? I know the cover right
now where people people can see it on Instagram all
over socials. It's that the hands and the looks like
the hands or gypsy, which is great. Is that going
to be is your card or image? They are going
to be the main cover? Is it going to be
(33:58):
that the untold story, untold story with the hands? Do
you know what the cover is going to be like?
Or can you share?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
It'll be the one with the hands with the chains,
like the one that you see that was the one
that we designed. I justed with the my publisher, Pandor
And is the.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Drawing You're going to be included somewhere in the book
in the back or somewhere.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I think that would be a good idea.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I want it.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I want that to be I want his I believe
that it would be good.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well, if that's my idea, I want credit for it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Absolutely anyone. Yeah, yeah, you're the one.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I just want some kind of mention. It's already gone
to publishing. It's already a just Chad voice in.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
There, that's right. Yeah, and you're walking and you're walking
with me down that red carpet.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Oh, absolutely, for no other reason. Then my name is
in the book as conceptual collaborator. Absolutely very fun. Do
you Is it too soon to say when the book
will be out? Are you still figuring that out yet?
I probably Probabisher doesn't want to mention that yet. I
can if you don't want to, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I believe you spoke to be published.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yes, she didn't give me a dates. I don't know
that I can remember, so that's why I'm asking. But
if you can't, I don't remember her.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's in her hands, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
So she's controlling the release date?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Correct? Okay, not even I really?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, that's too bad.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's got to be this year. It's definitely this.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, yeah, we're well. Do you know where people will
be able to get? Obviously to be a download people
who like to do that now, but can there's gonna
be a Is it gonna be a hardcover or paperback?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Do you know that life hot cup up? Type it back?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Usually hardcover? First audiobook too? Okay, audio a book, Well,
are you going to narrate it? You know a lot
of people like when you when you A lot of
people sorry, well, because a lot of people like when
(36:11):
they when they listen to audio books, they like to
hear from the author's mouth, right, So I mean hearing
it you with your accidents, I mean with your your story. Still,
I mean it's very tedious from what I understand. We're
going recording the line by line. Nope, do it again,
No again again. I can imagine that.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Being Yeah, you know that video, Tila, You know that video, Tyla.
I started to record myself to be honest with you,
and I kept like, I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy
with myself.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I wasn't happy with your or the way you were
saying it.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
No, I just like, I kept like, sort of because.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
It's not your voice in the video trailer.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Arranged. I arranged my assistant to do it. She yeah,
I said, well, actually, sorry, tell your sistance be honest
with you, to be totally honest with you. She's actually
(37:16):
a friend. And I told her, I said, stop do
that again. Stop do that again. No, no, keep doing
You're gonna stop coughing.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Stop the dog from Barricie and stop crying. You can.
You can have that same problem whenever it's when it comes.
You can have that same trouble when it comes time
for you to record. Someone's gonna do the same to you.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Something to think about though, if you want to do
the audio audiobook and you can have it in my
voice really okay, you're willing Chad voice over over overview,
Maybe maybe I'll do the introduction or the epilogue. Maybe Okay,
where you are now? Yeah, I can do the where
you are now part.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I'll send you I'll send you my rates.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
After that would be after the relay and after the sales,
and then.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You would get Yeah, I can only go up from that, right,
so oh yeah, opening modification. What's not open to modification
is this conversation you. It's been great talking to you, Catherine.
Of course, I've only got about four minutes in this
official chat before it lets me go. I don't want
to cut you out, but for now, talk to people
(38:31):
about where they can connect with you if they wish to,
if they want to know more about what's coming up
in the book, or just get to know you as
a person. Which socials are you on the most and
where can people find you? For you? So willing?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Okay, I'm on Instagram, which is all lower case Catherine
with a C C I T H E r I
N E dot Basilicata b I s I l I
c I t I, And I'm also on I've got
(39:03):
two accounts on Facebook, as you know.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, one is under one was hacked. Yeah, you're the
final inbox review.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Unbelievable if you got it?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, thanks, the final. At least you're the final.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And I have to wait until the sixth of what
was it the sixth of May before I can change
it back thanks to basebook. Yeah, me too, change it
back to Catherine Besoli Kata and then also on Facebook
published auta yea very very cool media page.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
With the two minutes or so left? Is there anything
on the horizon for you? Is there another book after this?
Are you going to do more work with the current books?
Were doing more of the book after it comes out?
Maybe a tour?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Do you? What?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Do you plan? More podcasts better than this one? The
questional ones in this one, only the best ones.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
At least you make me laugh. Come on, That's how.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I got it's not the host natural speaking voice, it's
the make you laugh part. I'll take it. I'll take it.
That's what I do here. Nobody's on Somebody's podcast with
me chadvice.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Absolutely, Catherine's been amazing.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
I didn't even hear I didn't even notice that I've
got the accent. But thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
How can you not? Well, I guess you're used to it, right,
you can hear it.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
You should hear the other people here. I mean that's
really Australian accent.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Hell right, kriikey? So do you say that Araikey?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
No, I don't say kriikey.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Do you use the C word like they do? I
can ask you that because I know you pretty well.
I wouldn't most of my guests. But do you like
to use a word a lot in conversation? But they do?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
They people European people.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
What I use the F wood?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, I thought her. Thanks so much, Capting, Thank you
so much.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Hekay.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
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