Ep. 14 - Special Guest: Maj Toure (Talking Black Guns Matter, Caitlyn Jenner, CPAC, Joe Biden & more)

Special Guest: Maj Toure (Talking Black Guns Matter, Caitlyn Jenner, CPAC, Joe Biden & more)

Episode Transcript

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That's what's up. Episode fourteen nowas political podcast once again on your host

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Colin Jackson, along with my uhll ko j uh new to B dad,
all these wonderful things out co hostAlice Harper, and we got a
real, real, real special treatfor y'all. Uh, we're not even
doing segments because we got that kindof guest before I let him speak to
y'all. Gotta tell y'all about thisman Maa Torre. Maas Torre is the

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North Philly native dirt bikes and cheesesteaks, not Philly cheese steaks, you
know, former city council candidate runningon a libertarian ticket. We'll talk about
that founder of Black Guns Matter,what I was gonna say, and and
Maas don't correct me on this,the leading black gun owner organization in the

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country. Uh, maybe not onpaper, but definitely in the community.
And of course one of the politicalpundits on the right. I won't even
say pundit, I'll say activists thatcan honestly say that black lives do matter,
and that is what a little beand that's something that's real important that
I shouldn't even have to say whenwe were talking about conservatives who talk on

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these microphones. But I really wantto say, welcome to the big brother
mas Trey, who is coming tous all the way from CEPAC. What's
going on, Mash, what's up? Man? I appreciate you'all for having
me. Man. It's it's it'sgood to communicate with folks that get it,
that know the direction that we havebeen angling and the direction that we

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can go on to strengthen our community. So I appreciate you'all for having me
for sure. Man. One ofthe things my girl always gets on me
about is making sure that I'm sayingour community and this is something, this
is why the NAP even exist.Like me and Hart really talked about it,
who's speaking for us from our perspectivewith talking points that aren't you know,

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just from the left or the right, And I feel like that's what
you do, right and really doingit, really doing stuff like that was
one of the big things we talkedabout too, is that we don't want
to just talk to anybody that everybodywants to talk to, like, we
really want to speak to those thatare really trying to do stuff, really
actively moving as opposed to these wouldbe good ideas, but not putting really

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no no sweat. Yeah, Ithink I think that having that balance something
uset about talking points from the leftor right. I actually think we have,
you know, points that obviously wetalk about right from the left and
right. You know, some ofthe things that happen on the left,
I'm in alignment with it. Youknow, some of the things that are

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perspective that happens in the right,I'm in alignment with it. It's like
it's like an economy, you know, having a mixed economy from based on
free market capitalism is kind of thebest thing. Which what I mean by
that is where people can create aproduct or service and sell it and make
a gang of resources whatever whether people. Then they could take some of that

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money and say, yo, man, I got one hundred million dollars,
I'm gonna give one million dollars tothis particular interest or whatever. That is
a form of voluntaryism, that isa form of being like social charity,
that's good government. Ain't take thatmillion dollars. I'm going to force them.
They still gave to people that area little bit less fortunate and could
use it and help them prop themselvesup until they're able to go on air
own. I'm saying all that tosay, a mixed economy in regards to

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how we view the issues, andmy experience is much better. Yeah,
you know, you have a viewpointand you go, all right, well
I agree kind of here, youknow, and they and I agree kind
of here on this side. It'sit's more of a balance. So I
think what happens is a lot ofpeople that become Second Amendment at activists or
advocates, Um, they don't wantto offend their bag and yeah, yeah,

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yeah, so it's I get it. But it's like I've made sure
that from the very beginning everything thatI did. Sometimes it look like I'm
I'm all the way here, andI'm all the way here. It's really
because I just want to take abalance approach and I don't. I don't.
I don't have no like master,I don't, I don't have one.
So it creates a space where Ican actually say what I want and

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we can take things on the citysituation by situation basis. And I think
that's good for honesty, that's goodfor liberty, for freedom, that's good
for being self critical. I thinkall of that matters. So that's kind
of like how I was able tokind of like navigate those waters a bit.
Um. If I picked the side, it would be this whole thing
would be a like I would bemore famous, you know what I'm saying.

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I don't really think America need thatmore Like I just picked one side.
Well, you know, I pickeda side to side his freedom.
The side is liberty, you know, you know, no, no,
I I was actually just committing youbecause there was a wise man said at
one point like I'm on the sideof right no matter who it benefits.
Yeah, so and that and that'skind of what you what you're saying is

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that that, Yeah, it's gonnaseem like it's extreme from time to time
because you know you're on this thisparticular side. So the perception of it
is one way, but in realityit's the side of right. So right,
the perception is once that slant itone way or to other. That
that's kind of like again being downhere in sepack right now. So last

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night I was chopped it up withCaitlyn Jenner, and you know, Caitlyn
Jenner's running for governor. Now I'ma little more partial towards Major Williams,
who's running for governor of California.Shout out Andrew Williams. Yeah. You
know, however, all right,she's there. We're talking now, mind
you. Earlier that the earlier inthe yesterday or the day before yesterday,

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I did an interview with someone askedme about the Navy doing something with pronouns
and making people call people pronouns,and I was just simply like, your
get pronouns, bro, Now Iis there's a picture of me with Caitlyn
Jenner at spack. I posted thatclip that same day. Let me saying,
you pronounced Caitlyn Jenner is an askedto be called a pronoun Caitlyn Jenner's

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like had surgery and like wants tobe a woman. Whatever. Cool,
that's your thing. Now. Somepeople would say, well that that attack
is on the black community, andit's like, well, that's an adult
white person that isn't in the blackcommunity. And as an adult that person,
forget how I would I agree withor what I don't I it was

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freedom over everything. That person choosesto do what they want to do with
their body. And the conversation thatyou know, we was having was about
guns and black guns matter, youknow, um, and I got her
phone number and we're gonna chop itup about doing some shit later. You
know what I'm saying that it's situational. It's yo. If that person was

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saying, like if you as anadult our influence where somebody says, hey,
man, I'm transgender, so youshould be transgender too as an adult,
that sounds like a weak person tome. You are allowed to say,
nah, it's not my thing,and still respect those other people for
their things. And that was andthat was the point I was going to
make. Is that to your earlierpoint about defending the bag and cancel culture.

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Like now people are like, oh, well I want to be I
want you to be called exactly whatyou want to be called, so that
way you don't feel offended, asopposed to just saying that's not my business.
I don't you know, I don'tcare. I don't care whatever it
is that you want to be called. Okay, that's cool, and I'm
gonna keep on move. If youintroduce yourself to me as I don't know,

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um, Jimmy Walker Junior. Yeahyou Jimmy Walker Junior, it doesn't
make a difference. You know nowthe person you are is completely different.
Your character and your moral values fordifferent. But that like, those type
of things are insignificant to me.I mean I they're important to someone and
I understand that, and I neverdiminished how somebody feels about a particular issue.
But I feel like as far,especially like media and these type of

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things, we go too far andum, someone's personal preference. It's listen
if I if you say, youknow, as it's like one of the
things that like one of my babymoms, right, one thing that she
used to like get a high.We have a horrible relationship. She would
get a high on calling me bymy government name. And I'm like,

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all right, cool, that's whatyou want to do when you're angry.
I'm not gonna repeat now, don'tget me wrong. If you if you
introduce me as it's introduce yourself tome as Caitlin. Cool. I'm gonna
call you Caitlin. That's it.Now. Ten minutes later you're like,
all right, now for the nexttwenty minutes, call me Bruce. I'm
gonna be like, get come on, bro, I don't got time to

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that. Like pick a name,and that's what I'm gonna call you.
Um, all of it, hepronounced she they them all of that.
That's an extra step. Now,that's nuance. That's nuance. The same
thing as we would have a conversationabout gun ownership or or even me coming
to see pack. It's nuanced.The people what's the name just said?
Just tweeted something about me? What'sthe what's the dude that used to pimp

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women and wrote books? Now he'ssupposedly conscious, Um, it might be
a few of those. Yeah.He tweeted something about, Yeah, I
told you we got to watch becauseI said, how white people and deal
them with race? There are whitepeople that are not racist, And I
said this that Seapack. If youwant to engage and strengthen the conservatives movement
in urban America, y'all gotta getbeyond this conversation of letting the left dominate

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and make y'all look like y'all allracist. Some of y'all is, some
of y'all not. If you wantto be identified as racist, that's fine.
If you don't want to be,here's some tools that we can do,
because the overall job is getting thisconservative movement for liberty movement because I'm
all, I'm a libertarian, butI go to seapack because I have conservative
values, right libertarian and independent.We gotta strengthen that by breaking the You

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gotta make your messaging understandable to thedemographics that you're trying to relate to.
Now that's the whole context of whatI said. This goofball clipped a portion
of that when I said, yeah, y'all strang y'all white, straight,
straight white males, y'all under attackbecause to me, I'm like, I
know what it means to feel likeI'm under attack. They take that one
part and then they'll say something likesee he down with the white supremacist And

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it's like, Bro, people readthe caption under the picture. They'll read
the book of what you said inthe context of it. So I allow
you to tell me what the contextis because I'm always to small slipit of
what you said, right. Andand it's unfortunate because a lot of people
that could be soldiers for the community, they start they acknowledge itself with people

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like that, these Charlattans that's liketap dancers, bro, and I don't
really have time for. And alot of them, dudes, they're very
contradictory or a lot of their followersare actually yo, y'all, like afraid
of white people. I could goanywhere I want and tell anybody this thing
that my organization is called Black GunsMatter. We had a stated purpose and

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goal of making more black people buymore guns as a twenty nineteen before the
pandemic, which even though the gunsales have increased in twenty nineteen. We
did that. We we crowdfunded anddid free classes all around the country.
These people that say these things thatmiscontexts, deliberately leave context out. They
say they leaders a lot of times, they don't really do anything for the

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black community. You can't really saywhat they actually do. You could say
they say stuff about other people.Oh, the white supremacists, Yo,
Bro, you focused on white peopleway too much. You know what I'm
saying. And so it's it's maneuveringthrough those things that could look one way
and taking everything on a situation bysituation basis to understand the general context and

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theme of what we're actually dealing withor what I'm about. Because again I
went from you know, in oneday, if you look on my social
media, your pronouns bro to takein a picture and chocolate up with Caitlyn
Jenner. Caitlyn Jenner isn't like saying, yeah, dude should be allowed to
participate in women's sports. She's actuallynot saying that. People to think,

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oh, because mas is against youknow, pedophilia or you know certain agendas
that means he's anti gay, antitransgender. No, I'm not. I
just have a standard. You cando whatever you want. Nuance. It's
nuance and and let me uh,let me so I kind of run point
on the episode, and so Igot I got plays, I got emotions

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that we got to run. SoI need you to talk about black guns
matter. Yeah, you bought thatup. I'm gonna let you bring that
back. Uh. You know whatyou're all about, free market freedom,
capitalism not being racist. I lovethat you brought that up. You know,
I don't think that we as aculture can get anywhere, whether it's
with voting, whether it's with guns, whether it's with police, whether it's

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with policy and legislation, if wedon't have that capitalism. And so once
something you twitted yesterday was capitalism isn'tracist. You know, it's not a
racist racist concept. And I thinkagain, when you talk about what our
community needs, by saying that toour community, you're almost you're almost you
know, cutting our legs off,because we ain't never gonna get there unless

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we have that. So so I'mjust trying to get through all the stuff
that I was gonna ask you thatyou answered. You also talked about,
you know, these other copycat peopleor a copy and pays blexits that you
know aren't really doing anything. Youknow that you know they're not trying to
actually uh, enlighten black people towhat they already believe. Because I mean

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to be honest with you, brother, You a kid from North Philly.
Dog like they they are gunning peopledown like ridiculously, the same way they
do in Cleveland and all these otherplaces. So for you to say black
guns matter and be trying to putmore guns in black people's hands legally,
um, you know that's something thatcan get you canceled. So all the

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stuff you and Harp just got toman that that was beautiful. Um.
I think you know how we wantto walk out of this segment is you
know we talked about in pre show. You know, Harp is someone who
uh does have a previous record andnow can't carry a gun legally. Of

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course, we never encourage them todo anything illegal. But you know one
thing you always talk about is beinga solutionary. Um. So you know,
you can start with harp situation orthe situation of many blackmails in this
country not being able to actually armthemselves, and then kind of talk about
how we as a community deal withlegal gun ownership, protecting ourselves and getting

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through that nuanced conversation of the violencein our community. But we still need
this opportunity that was stripped away withus through black codes and all types of
stuff. So lead us down thatin the last six minutes. Yeah,
So one, I do think Harpshould have a firearm. He's not breaking
the law. Let me real quick, And I don't mean to I don't
mean to cut you off. Ijust feel like I should speak about harp

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situation. My bad, My bad, got six minutes. Go ahead,
No, no, no, Ispeak through a real quick But but the
premise of it basically is, andI have these conversations often is as a
felon, is now you're stripping awaymy actual constitutional quote unquote constitutional right to
defend myself and my family because becausenot only can I and I'm using eye

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but I'm speaking and the masses ofeverybody that has this sort of situation,
But not only can I not havea weapon, but now I have to
be careful if my significant other hasa weapon, my family members have weapons,
all these type of things, becausethere's a constructive possession charge that's just
as worse as a possession charge orfelling. And so what I speak to

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a lot of times is just thefact that now by the systems design,
I'm in danger at every point intime because everyone else is allowed to carry
a weapon and not I'm no longer. So those are the type of issues
that I know people are going throughthe similar situations. And by you pushing
black guns matter, because they do. They absolutely do. They That's how

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most of this country was established.So from that point of view, what's
what's your thought process on that?I mean side. We know we gotta
stay not get caught with it.We know that, yeah, But from
one everybody that's a convicted felons shouldno longer vote Democrat until until whichever one

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of these parties are in alignment withyour and for me that happens to be
libertarian. I'm I don't have nofelonies on my jacket. Um, I
didn't get caught with anything. That'sthe only difference. Um. I think
that the Supreme Court is the supremelaw. To excuse me, the Constitution
of a Bill of Rights is thesupreme law the land. I think one,

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um, all felonships should organize.Convicted fellashould organized to get all of
their human rights and store the SecondAmendment. Don't say oh yeah unless you
gotta quote a case or quote aconviction that's one. Two. I think
that individually, maybe not even inthe class action shoot. I think individually,
felons should sue m local government,state government for hey, you're still

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telling me I can't have a firearm, and maybe and federally, there needs
to be a bunch of lawsuits andlitigation tying up the courts saying like,
Yo, we're gonna sue you.We're gonna sue you, We're gonna sue
you. This is in violation ofthe Second Amendment. That's that's the more
extreme. And the other thing isI think a lot of people should,
first before that apply to get yourrights restored. There's a there's two ways

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of doing it. On a statelevel, you can get it up what's
called a governor's pardon, and onespecially it looks better for you if you
have let's say that was five tenyears ago, you've had no issue since
then, so forth and so on, get a governor's pardon, and that's
just some paperwork in some time,and it's a it's a it's a it's
a long shot. But I knowa few people that have got it done

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that went through the process. Orum, if you got fed chargers,
get a presidential pardon Angela staying kingmy home girl, she got one from
President Trump. You know what I'msaying. So these are options, but
I think um doing them all makessense. But I also think that everybody
that has a felony on a jackand they paid it, that's a society

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they that this codified means. Youknow, we structured these laws around nature.
You have a human and natural rightto defend your life with firearms.
That's the that's the framework of thisplace. That's not me making it up.
That's what y'all wrote down. Youknow what I'm saying. I think
that happened. That that's what's necessary. Our work at Black Guns Matter is

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doing some of those types of things, informing people about that, opening up
the Solutionary Center and Philly we shouldbe open in a few weeks, letting
people know where they can come inPhilly or whatever state that they end downloading
the paperwork, letting them print itout, fill it out. So for
the so on, whether that's justgetting your obtaining your license to carry.
Now, we also UM contend andhave lean on the position that all forms

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of impediments to your human right tokeep in bear arms are unconstitutional. So
even a license to carry is like, that's a that's an infringement. However,
if somebody wants to do it,okay, we'll show you how to
do it so you don't have togo through the hassle of that. While
we overturn that in some of thesecities, everyone has the human and natural

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right to defend their life with arms, including firearms. Um, without a
even it's the vilest person. Ifhe went to jail for pedophilia, he
handled his time, he came outof jail. He has the right to
defend his life. People I don'tlike, you know, they racist.
They want to do freedom of speechtalk, Hey we hate the black school.
You're welcome to do that. Youhave a human right to say that.

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Um, I can't. I can't, And we tend to put felons
and it's like undesirable box after thefact, you know, say so it
was like so like I'm supposed tojust be like, oh, well he
went to jail, so like hedon't get to defend himself as family,
that's for target. Well, thewhole ideology is that if you went to

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jail, you have sat you basicallyforfeited your rights as a citizen, so
you don't get the rights that wegive you back, and that's crazy.
But at the same time, bysaying these rights are inalienable, given to
the crew, given to us byour creator, not by government. So
which one is it? Right?Right? Right? Right? Libertarian?

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Right? And so my mind isjust on like getting people. Now,
some people gonna catch case to somepeople gonna go to jail for doing these
things that I'm saying. It's cool. I'm open when I say I carry
a gun everywhere. I mean theonly reason why I don't have a gun
with me now in Dallas is becauseI drove the RV and I didn't have
a gun case to get on theplane I flew from Miami to Dallas.

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So I'm like, all right,cool, I'll get to drink. You
know what I'm saying. You knowwhat I'm saying. But like, um,
that's just what it is. Everyonehas that right. I think that
our work at Black Guns Matter hasbeen successful because we take that approach.
We take a liberty based approach.We don't we don't marginalize people that you
know, there's certain states that ifyou bounce a check, like if you

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swipe your card and your balance wasoff, and if it's over three hundred
dollars off, that's a felony,like you will lose your right to keep
their arms in that regard. SoI was like, Nah, these things
are silly. So our work isto inform people of the rules while at
the same time getting them the overturnthe rules. So but in the meantime,

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absolutely, if you're a felling anyonelistening, you can choose to do
what you want to do. I'mtelling you you should have a fire,
you should you should conceal, youshould be the light. It's like I
just got a driver's license, likea couple of years ago. I've driven
since I was fifteen. I wasthe safest driver you've ever seen in your
life. You know what I'm saying. I think, guys, are the
felons are gonna would a gun onthem if the opportunity means where they have

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to defend themselves, They're going todefend themselves. But guys, it's felons
that have guns are going to besome of the safest, most responsible people
because they like nah, I ain'tgetting They're going to avoid conflict as much
as possible. And so I wouldrecommend it, and I don't think based
on the supreme law of the land, you are not breaking the supreme law
of the land. You might justhave to fight a court case if you

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get caught with it, to fightit up. Just to remind everybody,
yeah, go ahead, hart ifyou got one more, I was just
gonna say yeah and something. Andsome of the laws a laws such as
like constructive possession. It's a crimeconstructive possession for anybody that doesn't know.
It's just simply that if there's agun that can't fire, but it's within
my reach, I can get toit even if it can't fire. That's

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constructive possession of a firearm. Andyou and you can go to jail like
decades. These aren't like small offenseslike you can go to jail for a
long time for your girlfriend having agun in the lock box and you didn't
you know what I'm saying, youdidn't know and you there. So those
those type of things were laws thatcan be amended or removed that will affect

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a whole section of population being ableto carry guns and defend them and defend
themselves. Right, So it's thingslike that. Everything's not a monuments movement.
You know, mountains that you're tryingto move, but you have to
get to buy in and the interestslike you like we like we mentioned before
once you're a felling that you gotto put you in a box and they're
not worried about you know how youlive in that box. As long as

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you stay there. They want youto want they want you. They know
it's in opposition to the very natureof who you are. So the Golden
Eras we're gonna keep these recidivism ratespopping right because America is addicted to crime,
like all of them buildings downtown isbecause they're making a bunch of laws
that have nothing to do with theimproving the quality of American's lives and it

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create it has more about what creatinga job for these people. Well,
in order to we got to remember, in order to push a narrative,
you constantly have to have a villain, you have to have a new villain.
So like the Joker and Batman andall that, because think about the
Batman series. If you think aboutthe Batman series, in order to push
Batman in such a great person,he constantly has to defeat these villains.

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Yeah, so you have to keepbringing new villains, and what better ways
than do you just develop a systemthat's going to create its own the constantly.
So the centivism rate is a wayto not only make money because they're
making handover fist money, but notonly just to make money. Just from
a humanitarian standpoint is that I cancontrol neighborhoods. I just you know,

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if if you went to jail forX amount, if you're charge carried,
regardless of what you got, butif you're charge carried over a year and
a day in some cities, um, you're eligible to go to that next
level of punishment. So you canget caught for shoplifting, but a feilony
one felony to shoplifting. I know, I'd probably going over time, so

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scooted. But um, something simplelike shoplifting. But because you could have
gotten a year in a day,now that's a Now that's a felony on
your record. Something something small likethat hinders you from being able to defend
yourself later on down the line.Or you get caught with a weapon.
Now you go away for a decadesimply because you got the shoplifting charge on
your on your back, yeah man, yeah, so uh look, this

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was This is a crazy segment.Man, It's probably been the quietest ever
been on a that podcast in along time. But we got Harper over
here getting getting in his bad Wegot the big brother Maage here. I
mean, we covered a lot,man. We covered a political renaissance and
getting ideas people that really needed.We talked about the economics of some of
these legislation and how important it isto make sure that our community particular had

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those economics. Uh. And wealso talked about the criminal justice system and
how criminal justice reform is needed,both going into the system and also coming
out of the system. What whatwhat? What? Two questions didn't we
ask Let's go a little bit long, le'. Let's knock out something that
we didn't go. Oh man,all right, uh you know what,
Uh, let me ask you acurrent question real quick. Um. So

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I'm sure you're aware that Joe Bidenhad a major step towards what he was
calling curbing the gun violence in thiscountry. Um. Came out we talked
about on the last episode. Hart. Uh. It came out probably about
two weeks ago. And you know, the only reason we knew was for
black people is because he said becauseotherwise Kamala Harris would have did it right.

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That's how this administration working for blackpeople, that Kamala Harris are doing
it anyway. It came out aboutfour points. Two of them were about
stopping the root of crime. Theother two were about punishing people who did
have guns illegally. And I kindof know where you're gonna go with this,
But what's your perspective on one JoeBiden because hart pats are saying about
Joe Biden as the president for blackpeople, there it is. And then

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and then two this particular piece oflegislation or executive order because it's not on
law yet, which people need tolearn. Um, what do you think
about the way that this administration isapproaching gun violence in communities like Philly and
Cleveland where it's going rapid. They'renot that's not about curving violence. That's
what they say. You know whatI'm saying. It's like they call things

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the opposite of what the actual legislationactually is doing. So like it'll be
like the patriot at is nothing patrioticabout that at all? Oh, nothing
patriotic about surveillance nothing. So thisis to help curb violence and it's like,
no, it's not. We alreadyhave decades old books showing you know,

(28:18):
so even even let's say the lasttwenty some our years, over the
last twenty some years, I thinkwe're up to like as a nineteen,
I think it's nineteen constitutional carry statesin America, right, And before that,
the license to carries were on therise over the last twenty some odd,
maybe even thirty years. Right overthat time span, as licenses to
carry have increased and as constitutional carrystats states have increased, violent crime has

(28:42):
decreased over the last twenty some mathand data can't argue with that, right,
Conservatives, right, right, Andso when you got guys like doctor
John Lott that have written books calledmore Guns, Less Crime, which breakakdown
statistically or database this is how whatthis is what happens. We did our

(29:03):
class, right, We did mostof our classes in Philly in twenty sixteen,
our first year. Right when thestats came out for twenty sixteen,
Philadelphia had had the lowest violent crimethat it has since nineteen seventy nine.
All we did was conflict resolution andbasic gun safety classes, and we was
helping people fill out their paperwork andtake it across the street to the license

(29:25):
in unit. I don't know youdid both of those. You do conflict
resolution too, Yeah, yeah,we need If I give somebody a gun
and they got issues and they don'tknow how resolved issues, that it's not
always the best outcome and that andyou know what, we had made this
point earlier. There are certain peoplethat I don't necessarily trust with guns for

(29:45):
that, like you you should havea gun to defend yourself and all that.
But yeah, I just don't thinkyou know what I mean when you
when you're looking at some of them. But that conflict resolution is what can
can tip the skills in the wayof right. So we did them classes.
The data came out. We wasthe Phillies violent crime was super low.

(30:10):
We were sending people to fill outthe apps, taking them across the
street. All of that. Theymoved the licensing union, they picked that
joint up and yeah, y'all andthen after that they've changed the hours to
like nine in the morning toil likeone in the afternoon and like everybody's at
work. But anyway, wow,we said, okay, So then we

(30:33):
started the tour. We've been,you know, hitting all these different states
around the country. Every year thatwe've not been in Philly doing consistent classes,
the crime rate has increased for thelast four years. So now the
actual punctuation mark will be we're gonnaopen the Solutionary Center. We're gonna do
the same thing. We're gonna focuson conflict resolution, de escalation, basically
firearm safety. Now that the crimerate is I mean, the violent crime

(30:56):
rate is high again, we're gonnatry to cut it in hat. If
we can do things like this,this showcases that more safe and responsible gun
owners. And I don't even liketo say, you know, h law
abiding, because who laws? Whomade the laws right? And the Second

(31:17):
Amendment is the law. You canhave a gun, just don't violate nobody
unjustifiably with it. It's very similar. And so by UM doing that work,
there re seeing these things, thenwe'll say, okay, we absolutely
have an impact. Now the Bidenadministration, we deliberately and we had a
state of goal, We're gonna makeblack people buy a bunch of guns.

(31:40):
We did that right after all,the black people in the in America are
buying gun right. It's like allof the most racist UM policies in regards
to gun control are all bundled intothat legislation that he's trying to present.
And even when he said it Biden, he says, you know, there

(32:01):
was a time when certain people couldn'thave guns. He was talking about black
folks. Yeah, of course.And so that's what I think of Biden.
I don't I don't waste too muchtime on him because I'm like main
man, been showing us in hishands for half a century, so we're
not really trip. I'm gonna tellyou what pissed me off about dude is
that A I was mad that ourpeople really was acting like they were falling

(32:25):
for what he was saying. Everybodybelieved it. I think people just act
like it because it was the peerpressure type thing to do and then be
once he kind of seen that hehad a toehole, he just went crazy,
like you make it promises that,you know, yeah, about to
keep like and that's where the disrespectfulpart came in, Like I'm not gonna
come in and do the best jobI can do. I'm about to just

(32:49):
sell y'all dreams. I'm gonna say, oh black nightmares. Yeah yeah,
Now, I don't know, Idon't know what you're about to do when
you get in here. I knewthat's really what he's gonna do. He
was gonna be a liar like he'dbeen the whole fifty years. May Man.
Look them politicians. I'm around alot of them. They sharp,
They really really good at um doubletalk, four tongue type vibes, you

(33:14):
know what I mean? And yeah, and I go, all right,
cool, that's that's what they do. And that's a skill you need in
the environment. In certain environments,you need certain skills, and that's a
skill they need in the environment.Right, It's more difficult again for me.
I didn't have a conversation with CaitlinGenner about um gender dysmorphia or or

(33:37):
or you know, is it amental deficiency. I didn't have that conversation.
My conversation was about guns. Nowthat I understand that that could be
completely like, look, this isa person that if we can get this
person to be on freedom and makegun culture pop culture. I had an
agenda. I had an agenda,and that was my agenda, and that's

(33:58):
always my agenda. Now if wehave offline or even then, if she
would have been like, what doyou think about Jenna dysmorphia or whatever,
orather than telling the truth. Theproblem with that is people don't know how
to say hey. Generally they doknow, they pick and choose when they
want to apply it. I agreewith you here, I disagree with you

(34:20):
here, I agree with you here, I disagree with you here. You're
a whole human that we are goingto have disagreements about certain things. I
can work with you on this thing. I cannot work you with you on
that thing. Most people to findthat difficult. Even if you're receiving the
answer from the person that says Icannot work with you on that thing,
but I can work with you onthat thing. We don't know how to

(34:42):
take no for an answer without Nowthat person's horrible. So I understand why
politicians move the way that they move. We can change that by shifting the
culture about Look, politicians are thereto serve the people in defend the republic,
defend the constitution for the will ofthe people, while respecting each individual's
liberty to say, all right,all ninety nine of y'all want to do

(35:04):
that, I don't. I'm overhere without without damn trying to you know,
repercussions for that one person over there. When we educate the hood in
that manner, the way that politicianstalk will change again. It won't work,
you know what I'm saying. Andso that that's the part that when

(35:27):
it comes to a Joe Biden,I understand why he moves the way that
he moves. Our job is tojust say, like, yo, y'all
see he's moving the way that youknow he moves. And I think that
was I think that was another reasonwhy Trump was so like he was kind
of he wasn't as good on thesecond Ammber, but he was a little
more anti establishment as a billionaire couldbe, um, you know, just
because of like, yeah, Idon't really like these dudes and I'm just

(35:49):
going through my own thing, andthey couldn't receive that even within the GOP,
you know. So to me,I think the overall answer is continuing
to expose the will speak of theleft and the right politicians and just get
more and more folks to go independent, Republican or libertarian. And I'm not
I'm saying it as a libertarian.I'm saying right right in the Independent is

(36:13):
where you were laying cool. I'mjust telling you, if you live in
one of these urban centers. TheDemocratic Party has not done anything tangible for
your community for a very long time, while doing more things to restrict your
individual rights and liberty. So Isay, let go on one of the
others. You might not be downwith the libertarian, you might not be
down with the Republican. You mightjust want to register as an independent.

(36:34):
Do your thing, but you absolutelyshould be shifting your voting trends in the
direction towards individual liberty and economic prosperityfor your community. I love it,
I love it. I love it. Uh, you know, my producer
is killing me. He said,I gotta get you. I gotta get
you out of here. I gottaget you out of here. So check
this out. I got one morequestion, but I need to tell everybody
where you at uages on Twitter,U mage Torrey you that's exactly how it

(36:59):
sounds a j t O U areon Twitter. Black Guns Matter. Y'all
should give that a Google. He'severywhere Solutionary Summit coming up in July.
He got a lot of good peoplecoming through, so I gotta make sure
that y'all know about that. Iwould love to get an invite out.
I'd like to see what's going on. Gotta get him to come to Cleveland
as well. But last question,and it's quick one. I'm gonna get

(37:21):
you out of here so we canwrap this segment. I know you're a
rapper, you know, so y'ally'all needn't go check out those solutionary tapes
volume one through three, starting backat two thousand and five. But but
but most importantly, man, Igotta ask you if you want to do
top five, top three that arealive, no Pacific order right here.
Uh, and then I'm gonna getyou out of here. So what you

(37:43):
think minage Top five that are alive. I know it's gonna be three Philly
rappers. Go ahead, oh hiphop artists. Um my top five,
I got hole heart um black salt. Yeah, we're talking about just like

(38:05):
lyrics, right, like like lyrics. Ye, whole black salt, Eminem
Pharaoh much Um that's four oh nahsand there it is and there it is.

(38:29):
No beings nah beans beans. Um. He wasn't, he wasn't.
He couldn't switch his style up enough. I got you, I got you,
I got you, I got you. That's I think. I think
Meek is a great rapper. Butmeek don't really switch your style. So
the people that I name like cancan do anything lyrically. Now now I

(38:53):
don't think that they're um. Nowhave you asked me ja of all time?
To me, it's like when youask all of those other mixtures impact,
you know, longevity, consistency ofalbums, you know what I mean?
Like I only think Jay got liketwo bad albums out of what thirteen
or fourteen? I yeah, twotwo words, I got three, I

(39:15):
got three I don't like, butI can say two I can I can
agree to too, yeah, soso so. So what I say,
y'all is be like be like belike a ma just top five man.
Be be able to be versus orbe able to be open, be able
to go from one thing to anotherand read every situation politically the way that

(39:36):
these rappers in his top five areable to do. Man. So with
that, I would close this uhmega segment of not another political podcast.
I guess it is the first oneof the show. We got more for
you on the other side. Onceagain, Thank you, my brother.
This was so enlightening and we willsee you on the other side. Do
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(39:57):
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(41:49):
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usually our philosophical segment, And thename of this segment is It's a Different

(42:10):
World. Yes, it is adifferent world, ladies and gentleman. Because
Bill Cosby has returned to the landof the living. The eighty three year
old comic who was charged with sexualassaul things that were drugging women in the
seventies, eighties, and nineties hasnow been released back to us. He
was done so because the prosecutor ormisconduct. There were things in first and

(42:30):
second trial, whether it was witnessesor prosecutors making certain promises to mister Cosby
that led to him being incarcerated andsubsequently canceled. Now I will open this
segment saying that, you know,I am I'm always happy to see the
justice system work right, even whenyou know some people may not like the

(42:52):
outcomes, but it's important to seeour justice system actually working through the full
process. So that's why I'm happyto see mister Cosby. But go ahead,
No, I was gonna say itdidn't work, so not the first
time. I feel like, yeah, I feel like the amount of and
it's probably gonna go to to whatwe were talking about as far as far

(43:13):
as cancel culture. But what helost in going to prison for those two
three years is immeasurable. There's nothat's true. There's no metrics to say
what I just lost. Even it'sjust from a reputation standpoint, because if
you if you look at it,Felicia Rashard was like, hey, I'm
happy to see him home. Heshouldn't have you know, they tried to

(43:34):
get her fired from Howard bro.She just got appointed to that position,
and now she has to take like, um, some sort of classes.
I don't I don't want to callit the wrong class, but she has
to take some sort of class atHoward for like sexual sex, sexual misconduct,
sensitivity training, something along those lines. And you look it up,
you can figure it out. Butthey're making her take mandatory training classes because

(43:59):
she was happy to see it.One of her friends came home and who's
been knocked up in the first place. Well, I mean I think that
goes to a larger point of thesegment, which is, uh, in
this different world, you can becanceled, um and and and we do
not know what the as you saidHart with the measurable ramification of being canceled
is uh with with mister Cosby particular. You know I'm a big Cosby show

(44:21):
fan. And and different world.I watched all that stuff. They took
that off of Hulu, Um,you know everywhere Nick Knight Nickelodeon too,
and he had that Nickelodeon bag.That's real. Um And I think you
know, we talk about the numberone black mom from all television ever,

(44:42):
missus uh Man, I'm calling feliciapchard. It's not Tamil Claire Hustable.
There you go, Yeah, ClaireHuxtable. You know they tried to cancel
um And. It just goes toshow you that, you know, we
talked about this a little bit withMaaje. Uh. It's a different world
for people when you know the cultureturns their back on you, um and

(45:07):
and and and and it's just disappointingto see that um and and it happens
to all of our athletes. Theytried to cancel Kobe. I remember when
Kobe went through his thing. Theythey tried to get rid of Kobe.
Kobe had to become a whole differentperson. He had to change his name.
You know, though, I'm gonnaI'm gonna be honest, I think
the way that they tried to railroadKobe because now you can get canceled for

(45:29):
allegations. You don't have to actuallyget canceled for anything you specifically may or
may not be able to prove thatyou did or didn't do. But you
can get canceled. We might getcanceled, it's a possibility. But what
I'm saying, they turned Kobe intoa monster when he was gonna. He
wasn't realize when Kobe was going throughhis court cases. He was dropping like
fifties every night because that's that's that'sall he had to focus. Yeah,

(45:52):
so they probably created a monster.But to the to the point of just
cancel culture, it's like you youhave a cant take an athlete, like
a black athlete, specifically like DeshaunWatson, who right now is going through
his and I don't when the factsshake out, you know, if he's
guilty or innocence. I'm not speakingon his guilt or innocence, but I'm
speaking simply on he's been There's beena lange allegations against him, and it's

(46:15):
just easy to cancel them rather thankind of dig to the truth, especially
by being a black, being ablack actor, black athlete. So the
cancel carture affects black people, blackathletes, entertainers, celebrities completely different.
And if you can go back twentyyears, thirty years into somebody's past and

(46:36):
pull up anything you want to,there should be a lot of people cancel
all the Lance Armstrong stuff should havebeen all of Mark McGuire's stuff should be
taken off. All of everything thatHarvey Weinstein ever produced, All that should
be taken off of Hulu and Netflixand all those things. Any it.
Basically, if you're gonna do acancel cart, you're canceled both ways,

(46:57):
on the blacks and white side,because if not, you know, yeah,
it's it's not fair. It's notfair. You know, it's wild
about this. You know, youknow, we're political podcasts. We bring
everything back to politics and conservatism andthose types of things. But if you
think about the section of America thatwants to cancel all of our founding fathers,
you know, they try to getthey just pull some statues, I

(47:22):
think Robert E. Lee and acouple other statues. They're just like last
week, right, But then youknow the right gets so up in arms
about that. But you know,let's be consistent conservatives here. If we're
not canceling George Washington, then Ineed to see the Coffee Show back on
mainstream television show, you know,yeah, yeah, And I'm thinking,

(47:42):
why are we casting any of it? Like I'm like, I mean,
I guess exactly exactly, because you'rerestricting someone. You you present the information,
but you're restricting someone's ability to makea choice. Like right now,
you couldn't go into and pick outan R. Kelly CD out of a
store. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonnabe transparent. I still step in the
name of love. Sometimes in myown house, I listened to every R.

(48:07):
Kelly song that I like prior tofinding out that he, you know,
do what he'd do in his personallife, like every right right R
Kelly songs. And if you havemy house and I play and you feel
some type of way, I suggestyou vacate the premises so that way you
don't have to listen to it,because it's because it's somebody's personal life,
like what versus the art that theycreate. But you know that's a whole

(48:29):
nothing. You know, that's nono. But he made the Space Jam
soundtrack. Man, we all wantedto believe we could fly in that same
time period that they saying he wasdoing all these other things. So you
celebrate the product that he created,and then you turn by turning around and
crucifying for his personal life during thatsame time period. Like when you put

(48:49):
things in historical context, you yousee how like hypocritical and ridiculous, most
things really are right right, likethe JJ and Beyonce a thing anyway from
the break. But none of theless man. Nonetheless, man, look
look, look, look y'all.I can't I can't do it. I
can't do it. Look y'all.It's a different world out here. Okay,
the rules aren't the same, therepercussions aren't equal. But at the

(49:14):
end of the day, you cancome here to the NAP and we'll talk
about it with nuance, with honestyand transparency. So with that we were
closed. Not another political podcast.Thank you, Thank you for everybody who
listening. Thank you to our wonderfulguests, Mas Torre and new nickname of
Love from my co host Alex Dumarfor putting the team on his back and

(49:37):
taking us to the promised Land inthat first interview. There once again,
not another political podcast. We willsee you on the other side. I
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