Ep. 17 - The Afghanistan Debacle, Listening to the Political "Beat"

The Afghanistan Debacle, Listening to the Political "Beat"

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back once again. Out of yourhost, Colin Jackson. Hear of my
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love my briefcase at home. Butother than that, I am here and
I am ready. So let's let'sgo. That's what's up, all right,
y'all? So, uh, thisepisode is going to be dominated by
I guess the inactions and actions thathave followed our twenty year Yes, is
just about twenty years that we havebeen being the referee in the country of

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Afghanistan in the Middle East. Yes, we entered Afghanistan sometime or after September
eleventh, two thousand and one,and we are finally making our leave of
that country again. Evacuation is howI should stay. I guess, Harp
here in August of twenty twenty one, just for context, twenty years ago,

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what were you doing, Harper?Twenty years ago? I was in
high school, man, so twentyso so when and I guess it's my
September eleventh story. So we Iwas in high school and we had TV
at the high school I went throughthat stayed on the news high school,
the high school I went to.Is it buy airport? So and similar

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to and not comparing it to COVIDand whatsoever, but similar to the initial
we don't know what's going on typeof scared, scared and panic maneuvers that
people were making. People were doingat the time. Um, they cut
all the TVs off in my highschool when September eleventh started or September eleventh
hit. But I had a twoway pager, motor roll of time for

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a two way pager that gave methe news and it's I know, I
know, I know, but itwas at the time that plus my Nelly
head bands and my air force wasUm, that was that was that was
the fashion of the time, andmy big baggy pants. But um,
right, so they cut off allthe TVs man and we were kind of

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everybody was in a panic. Theyled us out of school early because they
wouldn't know if there was gonna beattack from the airport. You know,
we're in Cleveland. So they weretalking about we have a couple of nuclear
power plants up Hereio that word aboutthe power plants being a victor. So
anyway, Yeah, so twenty yearsago, I was in high school,
doubled up headbands, time poort Pager, and then chasing any light skinned girl

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that would give me the time ofday. There you go. Colin was
in the fifth grade, and Iremember, yeah, Colin was in the
fifth grade with one of my favoriteteachers. I won't say his name,
but he was a illustrious member ofthe greatest fraternity on Earth, Mega Sci
Fi Incorporated. And he was theone who actually turned on the television for

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us to actually see what was happeningat the World Trade Center. And as
a fifth grader, you don't reallyrealize implications or that this conflict was going
to last until I am now thirtyand an engage. So it's been a
long time that we've been in Afghanistan, folks. So what we're gonna try
to do with this first segment,with the second segment is breaking down into

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two pieces of account of how wegot here, what the ramifications are.
First thing we're going to talk aboutis the most recent policy in regards to
Afghanistan, so as many people know, forty five in his I think it
was this was leading into his lastyear in office. In February, he
signed an agreement with the Taliban towithdraw the troops that were still there again

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for contacts. For the last twentyyears, I guess we have been training
the American military and allies have beentraining the Afghani troops to defend themselves against
the Taliban. People often confuse Afghanistanwith the Taliban or the two separate groups.
One's a country, one's an ideology, or a terrorist group. January
fifteenth of this year, we wentfrom thirteenth thousand troops over there to about

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twenty five hundred. That acting actingDefense chief there, mister Miller, was
very was very was very um,kind of kind of harping on the point
that this withdrawal has to be inthe right way. February third, the
Afghanistan Study Group comes out and talksabout how important it is to withdraw from

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Afghanistan, but doing in a waythat maintains that the Taliban keeps their promises.
I think it was George Bush whosaid, we don't negotiate with terrorists
terrorists, but you also don't makedeals with terrorists. So I think being
a terrorist group, well, nowwe're brokering deals with them. So things
change over twenty years. I guess, right, well, yeah, things
change, and here's my so brokinga deal it comes it makes it seem

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as though we're conceding or we're not, because the term when someone says broking
a deal with terrorists, that makesit that makes people believe that the terrorists
have the upper hand, and that'snot always the case. Um. Sometimes
you're negotiating to find an equal compromiseto avoid whatever results may come out of
it. So in the sense ofI know, and all the reason I'm

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mentioning that is because initially we wentinto Afghanistan and like you said, George
Bush was like, we're not negotiating, We're about to come in here and
y'all just gonna reform and shape upand ship out. And then we realized
that that wasn't the case, becauseagain, this is a belief system.
So we're telling you to change yourcomplete belief system. Because as Americans,

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we always claim to have the moralhigh ground or take the moral high ground,
so we're trying to convince people thatthey need to do the same.
So his initial we're not going tonegotiate with terrorists was It sounded good.
It was a hell of a soundbite, and people still use it to
this day. I use it playingspace. But at the same time,

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it's not really you know what Imean, It's not really the case because
at all times, especially when you'retrying to be diplomatic, you have to
find a compromise and then so they'reshare for negotiations have to be you know,
have to be made in deals andall that type of Stuffever with however,
with that being said, there isone thing to finally compromise. There's

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a whole another thing to giving upthe farm. And I think we're getting
to I'm lead you get to thetimeline because I don't want to jump in
too far ahead of it. Na, No, no, you're you're right
there, but you know, butbut like you're saying, sound bites are
great. And of course President JoeBiden now steps in April fourteenth saying it's
time to end it forever War onethat he was involved with keeping up,

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you know, and now he's changingkind of his tone on it. But
something you talked about in pre productionHarp was the tone of Joe Biden's presidency
was saying that, yeah, we'regonna be the international referee, but we're
gonna be the good referee who kindof negotiates with everybody, gives everybody a
call, which is a really toughthing to do, to be the diplomatic

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voice of diplomacy for lack of abetter term, but then also saying we're
gonna do it in almost a nonviolent way that's not too aggressive. But
that was on April fourteenth, hekind of backtracking on things, and then
through July, starting on July six, the US military pulls out of Bagram
air Field, which is the largestair field in Afghanistan, And we'll talk

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about that in a segment two ofyou know, we actually start seeing what
Bagram looks like and what those airfields and those iconic imagends are at you
know, August six the Taliban takesover his first province. That essentially means
the Taliban hadn't had control over anyprovinces. I'm sorry, the Taliban hadn't
had any control over any provinces inAfghanistan since two thousand and one, So

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that's a big part. And thenall the sixteenth, here comes Joe Biden
again saying that I don't regret mydecision to end America's war fighting in Afghanistan,
but then deflected blame for the waythe government's swift collapse actually happened there.
So I mean, so let's thinkabout twenty years of policy and then

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let's really think about what it endslike. And I think that's what's most
important to many Americans. I mean, we have people fleeing for the life.
We have thirteen military active military personnelkilled and too suicide bombing, and
now we have the resurgence of aideology, a terrorist group, a group

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other than the established government now takingover and making deals with other foreign nations
and a part of the world thatwe were in seemingly to protect not only
them, but the rest of theworld from the powers inside of their own
nation hard Are we supposed to bea merit of the world referee? Are

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we supposed to be big brother?Are we supposed to be the parent for
the rest of the for the restof the world globally? Is that our
responsibility? So so here's my thingwith that. Is that a answer question?
No, that is absolutely not ourresponsibility. No. Um. And
it doesn't make sense that we alwayswant to be. But again, I

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was always sold as a young manthat in the absence of logic, you
look to motive. So we're nottrying to take the more high ground and
make sure everybody's you know, beingdiplomatic and all those things because it's the
right thing to do. We're doingit because at some point we're gonna benefit
from it, and we're gonna havesome type of benefit from having control of

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this area, whether it be theresources in the area, whether it be
just simply because sometimes it's just geographicallocation. You know. I'm not gonna
speak to the motives of what peopleare there for, but what I will
say is that this has been terribly, terribly, terribly handled, and it
sounds and it sounds good to dothat we're gonna end this twenty year war.

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We're gonna get out of this foreverywar. We're gonna do this.
We're gonna do that, and knowthe great sound bite, and every president
has said that. That's the that'sthe thing. Every president has said,
We're gonna get out. We're gonnastart pulling our troops from Afghanistan. So
everybody comes out with we took Xamount of thousands of troops from Afghanistan.
All the time, this is whatthey always say. But it's always strategic

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and this doesn't seem like a strategicexit. This seems more like a knee
jerk we need to get out ofhere now. This is in the This
more like, um, the policehit the front door and everybody ran out
the back, but you didn't leftall the paraphernlian evidence in the world like
that. That's what That's what thisseems more like. Because then the knee

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jerk reaction I'm speaking to is thatthe Taliban and China made a public appearance,
the leaders of the Taliban, leadersof China or you know, made
a public appearance I want to saytwo months ago, and I could be
off, you know whatever, butrecently, yes, it's more more more
so my issue so recently and thenimmediately we have to evacuate out of Afghanistan

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in a mass acutus and that Isaid, that's why it seems knee jerk,
because it doesn't seem like it wasactually the long term plan. Didn't
seem like there was a long termplan for the exit, just simply we
need to get out of here,and we need to get out of here
now because the China and Afghanistan arenot friends. The enemy and my enemy
is my friend and their allies andwe can't take excuse me, we can't

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take on both of them. Butthe illustration of the lack of strategy or
lack of planning is the you look. You can look immediately to the bombings
that just took place where the suicidebomber had to get through two Taliban checkpoints
in order to get to the Marinesthat ought to end up losing their lives.

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And thank you all marines and allveterans for your service, because these
are the type of these are thetype of incidents that we don't spotlight enough
that go on on a daily basis, not so much the death part,
but avoiding death into the conditions thatthey need to survive in there over there,
So just as a as a sidenote, thanking Marines. Um,
but um no, yeah, goahead, go ahead, go ahead,

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Yeah, because I'll get it.I'll get to my dadsy marine. I'll
get to go off or my dad'swould better. So yeah, I'll get
to go to the soapbox. Butyeah, it just wasn't playing and it
was stupid and Joe Biden, becauseyou you put our soldiers lives at stake.
Yes, we're pulling out of acountry that we should have been probably
in the first place, or shouldat least got out of earlier. But

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at the same time, um,you get it in the most ridiculous way
possible. So look, I have, I don't know, I'll get the
duty of closing this initial segment onforeign policy. And what I would say
is that I don't think me orHarper or I subscribe to being a foreign
policy expert. There are people whoare probably way smart and way verse,

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way better verse than all these dynamicsand things of that nature. Well,
I will say is that philosophically,US pulling out of Afghanistan after twenty years,
after investing so many manpower, deathresources, So all these all these
things we've invested in this country,we pull out now, and what do

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we have. We have a countrythat's in the same chaots as we left
it, maybe even worse now,maybe because some individuals have weapons they didn't
have. And you know, forme, the philosophical question is, and
this is the foreign policy question,are we, as one country supposed to
be the invisible hand? Are wesupposed to be putting our finger on the

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button? Are we supposed to besolving every other country's problems? My personal
opinions, no, we need toprotect ourselves. And initially that's how this
started. And then we started tryingto protect people that are there. So
you know, when you do that, you have to be very delicate the
way you take you pull out.It's like taking training wheels off the bike

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of a kid. You take onetraining wheel off the time, but at
some point you have to let thekid fall. I don't know if we
should let Afghanistan fall. I don'tknow what we could have done differently.
I know we could have probably madethis fall a little bit easier, but
regardless, I think it's important tounderstand the geopolitical implications that a Taliban controlled

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Afghanistan has, it's important to understandour role in what this future global diplomacy
looks like. And ultimately, it'salso important for us to remember all the
lives that were lost over the lasttwenty years and then the last couple of
weeks trying to defend other people's freedomand protect ours. So I think everyone

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should ask those questions of themselves inthe upcoming weeks as you continue to review
the news, and we'll be rightback in the segment two, we're talking
about a little bit more of thepeople implications that a pull out of Afghanistan
had left us with none of thepolitical podcasts Segment one, you're in the
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other political podcasts. Episode seventeen.Heavy topics today, huhart Heavy topics.

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Yeah, yeah, only because there'sa lot going on in the world.
So so I feel like, eventhough we have a lot of fun on
this show, we want to makesure we address address the big topics as
well. Yeah. Yeah, andI and I'll tell everybody who who's watching
this currently this this episode ain't thatfun, man, I'll tell you either.
Some heavy topics. Um. Imean, I'm looking forward to segment

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three at this point, but youknow, we're gonna stay on Afghanistan.
I feel I feel differently though.I feel like I feel like this is
great. I feel like this isa fun segment because this is more of
a we told you all type ofthing, like because if you if you
go all the way back to someof our old episodes, and even when

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we were initially even when we're initiallysaying like hey, they're not really saying
anything. Hey, you know,voters are already paying attention to who they're
looking to get involved. Because atthe end of the day, the man
ran on, I'm not forty five. I'm gonna be gentle, I'm gonna
be compassionate, I'm gonna be empathetic, and we're gonna go around the globe,

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but we're gonna re establish some ofthese relationships that five tore down because
he's a terrible, terrible human being, which is all may or may not
be accurate. But what forty fivedid you? Forty five did keep his
finger on that button, and fortyfive held people at bay because he was
that unpredictable, and they said,you know what, he might come over

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here and blow up everything. Sowe're not gonna do anything outlandish. And
I feel like what we're seeing nowis people basically just cold disrespecting them to
the United States the leadership, like, hey, it's time for y'all to
leave, it's time for y'all tovacate, and all allies y'all had at
the time and avoided. I don'tdisagree there. I think segment two particularly,

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I want to talk about the thingthat kind of affected me most with
Afghanistan, because he spent ten tofifteen minute talking about the policy, talking
about different positions people are taking,talk about different posting points, but I
kind of wanted to talk to youabout some of the most impactful images and
really what the images really show us. It's the people, right. I

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think there's a Cat's a cat Williamjoke where he talks about, you know,
when they talk about the war inAfghanistan. You know, people don't
really have a lot of people don'thave Afghani friends, They don't know anybody
in Afghanistan. So it's a veryforeign type of type of topic. H
not to hit the nail on thehead, but it's a foreign type of

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topic. Right. But then whenwe see these pictures and these images of
these people, we start to feelwe start to really understand the impact of
what in evacuation means. Just someof the stories the mayor of the the
young lady mayor of Afghanistan City,who you know, twenty years ago when

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Taliban's in control, would never havebeen able to even be mayor, had
to evacuate under distress. We've allsaw Kabul Airport where they're actually bodies falling
from the plan that they tried toescape. As the thousands and thousands of
people were evacuated from Afghanistan. Youknow that those we talked about September eleventh.

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That image reminded me of September eleventh. And then the last one I
think that's so impactful about people isseeing Afghani citizens hand there, you know,
months old child to you know,military people that they didn't even know
and seeing this that same military thencaring for that child and the hopes that

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that child may have a better life. So I mean, those images to
me are so impactful when we talkabout this policy. The impact that it
really has on the ground is,uh, those images and those stories.
We're seeing all those the Americans whoare still lost over there, American citizens
even going in there to do theevacuation that they felt wasn't done the best

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way by the US government. Soheart, what do you think about them?
About the people part of this policyof evacuation, Well, I think
the people part. And again itis ironic because he got where he's at.
This current administration got where they're aton the backs and the tears of

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the people of Hey, we're aboutto do all these great things and beat
humanitarians to the world on a globalstage, but your action showing that you
you aren't doing that in this Sohere's my whole thing. And here's my
first The first thought I had whenthe whole thing kind of dropped was,
how did we not get American allies? How do we not get American trans

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English translators. How do we notget these people that we've relied on for
intail in Afghanistan? How do wenot get them out first before we announced
this mass exodus of military And thenhow at that point are we going back
to negotiate with the Taliban to getwhom yeah, they would dean as traders,

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to get traders out of the country, and to negotiate for their safe
release. So when you looking atthe people portion of it, that's the
first people that you would think thatwould be evacuated and taking care of,
and they weren't. And then onceyou go further than that, you go
to the Afghan army and there's imagesand I've seen reports and stories of Afghani

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soldiers dropping their guns, taking offtheir uniform and hopping in the first car
that's that's driving out of time.Like so, so as we're as we're
seeing he's in a joke that youwere referring to a Kat Williams Is when
he said I've never seen an insurgent. I don't know who. I don't
know what an insurgent uniform look Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't know
what an insurgent uniform looks like.And and majority of Americans don't know who

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the enemy was that we were fighting. You don't have the visual. You
know the name, but you don'thave the visual. So now we're getting
those visual images of in essence,what we were supposed to be there to
work with and working exactly exactly.We're not just talking about who we're fighting,
We're talking about what we're I meanbecause I thought because as a kid,

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I thought we were going on thereto fight for America. Now I'm
seeing that we through this last twentyyears, the fight for America has become
like secondary and the first thing hasbecome fighting for these people. Um.
And you know, I just Ijust keep thinking about that plane, man
and that baby. Like as muchas we talk about how bad America is,

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um, in certain situations, thereare people who would do anything to
get here. And literally if thatmeans being gonna airplane, well, um,
you know in the well of aof a wheel and the airplane,
that's what they're going to do.Um, and I just I just don't
know. Man. That's that That'sa lot to take in, right,

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And then what makes it worse isthat, well, how responsible are we
as Americans for the creation of thesituation these people loreen that we're seeing images
from right, Well, we justmade it worse. What what the thing
about it is? We just madeit worse? Um. And then the
reason I say we just made itworse is that in order for somebody to

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re establish dominance, will say,for lack of a better term, so,
to re establish dominance within a certainterritory, you're gonna have to have
public displays of violence. You're gonnahave to have a um an extra sense
of authority everywhere. You already seeTaliban coming out with saying there will be

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no more there's no more music,that you're not gonna they're not gonna be
allowed to have music. They're they'rethey're re establishing rules that they felt like
should have never been taken away ormodified or anyway case may be. So
in order to do that, toagain a re established dominance, to re
establish order, there's gonna be alot of human casualties like this just it

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just is what it is, andI know it sounds I'm saying anything the
very kind of cavalier stink because I'mnot in that situation. But that's the
way that violence is gonna be necessaryin order to re establish it. And
Americans aren't about to see that violence. Americans aren't about to be evictive.
I mean, we are. Ithink personally that there's going to be some

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sort of and we've already seen itwith the with the bombings and those type
of things. But and I mentionedit in we were speaking before, is
that the suicide bomber walked through twoTaliban checkpoints in order to get to a
position where he could do something detrimentalto the United States armies. That's why
I'm me and that's my point.So that's what I mean about. They're

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gonna there's gonna be casualties, there'sgonna be acts of violence, there's gonna
be a large display because they're attemptingto re establish dominance and show that.
I mean, I guess in asense because I don't know any of them,
so I can't speak to their motivesor anything like that or the line
of thinking. But it's just ona logical to feel like it's gonna be

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worse. They have to be extrastrict on the rules. They have to
show all these horrible, horrible imagesin order to make sure they can control
the public. The same thing withpropaganda. They're gonna make sure they can
control the public with the images thatthey're showing. And in order to do
that, you have to have terribleimages. And it's gonna get bad again,

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and and and again. You gotto remember we're talking about citizens that
may have had nothing to do withthis over the last fifteen twenty years,
um. And to your point aboutwhat the Taliban is saying versus what they're
doing, and you know, theoperation of propaganda there. They're saying,
on one hand, no music.On the other hand, they're saying,

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well, women's rights are gonna berespected out How can we trust that man?
We were you know, we're seeingobviously people who live there know something,
right, like the images of theescapes and the evacuation and all these
things. These people know what's coming, right, But you gotta you gotta
remember, you gotta remember, yougotta keep everything in context and the perspective,

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because the to say that women's rightsare gonna be like something like that
like, women's rights are definitely gonnabe to the forefront. We're gonna make
sure we keep women's right. Theymay be going out and I don't know
this, so I'm not the quote, this is fact, but they may
be going from the rights of theQuran. So the right the rights that
they're saying and speaking about, andthat's the same we know, right,

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right, So it's not the sameperceived right. So and then that's the
way we get to your point.Early in the earliest segment of America being
the police, America trying to dictatehow other countries live, because we're looking
at it as hey, all womenshould be able to vote, something simple
like that, all women should beable to vote. And in America it's
like, oh, yeah, ofcourse, all women should be able to
vote. Matter of fact, votingis too high on the scale. Driver's

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license and and and in some countrieswomen are allowed to have driver's license,
they're not allowed to drive, right, something simple. And in America that's
not even a second thought. Whywouldn't women be able to drive? So
when you go, when we getinto the we're gonna maintain women's rights,
but they already don't have the rightto drive. Now, what rights you're
talking about the right to bear childrenor right to take care of your home?

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You see what I'm saying. Soand then again we're now we're turning
into the judge and jury on whatthey should deem as priority for their country.
And you know, I think freedomshould be a part of every person,
no matter what country you live in, UM, life and how they

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perceive they should have freedom. UM. But I think that you know,
back to the kind of point ofthis segment, which is like what is
the cost to the people? Um, you know, the cost to the
people of what we did or whatwe're doing now just seems so steep.
But I think I think that ultimately, you know, we're not the ones

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to solve this problem. But Ithink you have to turn to the administration
here and ask how are they atcrisis management? Whether it's the border,
whether it's inflation, whether it's COVID, whether it's as Afghanistan. We have
to say whether you're talking about peopleor policy. Um, this last few
months, despite us being in theglobal pandemic and in a bit of isolation,

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has not been good for the Bidenadministration. Uh, there's no metric
that you can really put up thatsays that the crisis is the crises that
have affected Americans have been positively impactedby President Biden. I don't and in
this moment, it's really hard tofind that. So but see, I

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don't even think that there was goingto be a measure that they could use.
So I think this is my personalopinion on the whole way. Again,
I always refer back to how yougot in office. So their stance
when they got into office was soastronomical. We're gonna end systematic racism,
We're gonna build these global relationships backall these different things that you said you

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were gonna do. You don't havea win now. And I was speaking
before about this. You need awin for your administration. This administration doesn't
have a w the whole year.Like if you really look at everything when
you when you campaign, we're gonnaget rid of COVID because we're gonna trust
the science. Oh we're now.We we forgot that we couldn't get everybody

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vaccinated because you can't get certified eightypercent of the population to do anything without
mandates. So um, but we'renot gonna mandate you because you know that's
against your civil rights. We're we'regonna end systematic racism where there's still racism
going on throughout the entire country likeit's always been, you know, So
there we're gonna unite the country.While are you gonna do that? You

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can't unite people that have never beenunited. We've always been divided. So
you you have set yourself up withthere's no actual metrics you can have,
so they start using dates. Ohwell, July fourth, we're gonna have
this, and September eleventh, thisis gonna be in place. And by
you not having any wins that maybehave that may have been your motive in

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trying to pull the trip out ofAfghanistan, because you're like, hey,
we need to win, we needsomething we can hang our hat on by
September eleven, because you didn't havethe border crisis, because the word crisis
went nuts. The economy, like, hey, the inflation shrink flation,
gas prices are going through the roof. I'm about to get a scooter in

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a second because I can't afford gason right, right, right right.
And then you got to remember Biden'smoratorium. He wanted to put it put
in place over on the vicious.That's over, and he wanted to extend
it in the Supreme Court said no, so you gotta that's another ail you
took. So look, you know, um, we got to close this.

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But I hadn't there one more crisiswe're about to have. We're about
to have a refugee crisis. Uh. We're gonna about to have people who
are fleeing another country and strife.That's gonna be our next one. Um.
So I mean, I mean,for a president that was all about
people and the whole the whole understandingbetween him and Vice President Kamala Harris was

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about policy that supports people. Hey, shout out, hold up, wait
wait wait wait wait wait, shoutout Kamala for staying out of this.
Yeah. I want nothing to dowith that. But no, but no,
that border crisis, but she nottaking this Afghanistan go ahead, I
got you, go ahead? Bad, I mean cut off, no,
no, all. But if wewere looking for a policy that supports people,

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UM, I don't know how muchbetter off the people are after what
eight eight months of this man beingthe president. Um. And you know,
I just think that there is alot of prayer that is needed in
this moment. For the people,uh, and for the policy that supputs
us and most of the of theglobe now because we're now the global taskmaster

(34:07):
in a better place. But I'llbe honest with you, from my perspective,
I don't think the current president isputting us in the best position,
whether it's people or policy related.Segment two, Not another political podcast,
Episode seventeen. That was heavy.See you in segment three. Hot topics,
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Man, this was This was avery informational episode, harp. I
appreciate you for holding it down.All your information and perspectives were very appreciated.
Man, No, thank you.Man. This is a conversation.
Ain't conversation. I appreciate you,sir, This is this is a conversation
gay both of us. Everybody elsegets an opportunity to hear it, right

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right, right, But but asas our co holt, as our producer
said in uh, some of thein between segments. This is that was
a very complicated conversation that we had, very heavy, and a lot of
Americans are having So like I said, I just wanted to appreciate you for
having it with me. And nowwe're gonna move on to segment three with

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if anybody listens to the NAP youknow, this is our philosophical uh what's
going on and and black media kindof segment and this week's gonna be no
different. So, um, youknow I was talking to harp and and
we're both music fiends. He livesin the school of jay Z. Um.

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I'm a Kanye kid, like heis a jay z disciple. I'm
a Kanye kid. Uh. Thethird solid downloaded on my iPod original iPod
was through the Wire and I've beenyou know, late registration, Life of
Pablo Twist, Dark Fantasy, allthat stuff has been a big part of
my of my matturation as an adult. Um. Now, Kanye just recently

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today, you know what that thatexplains? That explains it, Like we've
never had that that conversation, butthat that explains and that I can see
you as backpack Kanye growing up.I was in college when College Dropout came
out, so I look at college. I felt completely different from that album
that was like why am I doingthis? I need to be doing this

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when he made college Dropout. Sobut I can see that. Okay,
okay, I'm back back. Ilet's dropout for me. I was I
don't think I was in high schoolyet when a college Dropout came out,
Um, and like this is myguy, go ahead, go ahead,
go ahead. Well we'll get youfar off because I was about to say,

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like like that some of that stuffthat we would go ahead to be
going over your head then like Alphastaff campus, I know you don't know
none about none of that at thetime. Actually, I've always you know
what, See we're getting off topic, getting back, go ahead, go
ahead. Today as we record thisepisode, Kanye West dropped his long awaited

(37:35):
Don the album. Uh the album'snow streaming on all your favorite platforms.
Um. But for the last month, he's been doing these shows, been
selling this merchandise. He even hada he even had he even has his
own piece of hardware which is calleda stem recorder where you can change the
vocals on tracks live from your hand. UM. Just a lot of things

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that he selling Uh, And whatwe kind of came up with was,
you know, Kanye has this politicalstance, but if you were to make
Kanye West a politician right now,Uh, it's my it's my understanding that
his actions would more represent that ofthe left and Democrats. And what I

(38:19):
mean by that is Kanye an artist. If you made Kanye then artists a
politician. There you go, theartist. Yeah, you may. And
I what I mean by that issometimes with the left, And you can
say this is about most politicians,but I would say the left in particular.
There's lots of pomp and circumstances.There are lots of press conferences,

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there are lots of marches. Uh. There are a lot of things they
sell you to get them votes,whether it's taking a knee, can take
cloth, uh, saying I gothot sauce in my bag, whatever it
is they sell you to get theirvote, to get your vote. But
then when the policy comes, it'snot what you bought. And that's what

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it seems to be. With theearly reviews of this Donna album, most
people are feeling like this was notworth all the hype. So I'm harper.
I mean, from youth perspective,I love listening to some of it,
and then you know, from politicalperspective and making Kanye the parallel to
uh, I guess, I guessI could say pandering democrat. I don't
know how I would say that,but what do you think? So so

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here's my thing, and I did, and I made it through about twelve
and thirteen songs on the album thismorning and dropped this morning. I listened
to it twenty seven. Yes Idon't, I don't have it. Yes,
but I listened to half the album. So I'm gonna say, admittedly,
I've only heard half the album,so I'm but I'm but I'm gonna
say the adds to that. Umto add to that analogy, the Donna

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album was, in essence, abill that they're trying to get past,
say the infrastructure bill. And thenas you're looking at like the song credits,
it says, hey done by KanyeWest, And you look and you
listen to the song and it's threeor four extra features on the song,
which may be good, which maybe bad. But I may be listened

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to a Kanye song and then nextthing I know, I hear a little
boozy Burke and it just messed upthe whole albums messed up the whole song
for me, and I think tyingit back, that's something that's similar to
what happens is there's all this there'sall this big height set up propaganda.
This man had this man read itout that Atlanta. Shout out to Kanye

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for this too, because this issome real flex like this. Yeah,
he read for a month, notlike a couple of hours, for a
month like this. Me he andthe Raptors watching preseason games and shout out
of Kaye for that. I justwanted to knowledge that before we continue off.
But you're having all these huge events, all these huge things for this

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album, but you're not giving allthe information about the album or what it
what's in the album, and thenwhen it comes out, I was disappointed
to an extent, but I thoughtthe production was great, but I didn't
think them the lyrics or the verseswere all that spectacular. But the production,
as always was through a Karrye album, was great. But to keep

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it on a political spectrum, it'syou're looking at a bill and a bill's
coming out and they're hyping it up. This is gonna be the greatest thing
ever. This is gonna be thegreatest thing helped all these people, and
then once the bill comes out,you're like, yeah, it really wasn't.
Like yeah, sure it might havedid some of the things you guys
are mentioning, but you also havea lot of little oozy vert verses in

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here that I could have done without. You also have a lot of this
other stuff that's great, but notwhat you said this album was supposed to
be. And that that's kind ofhow I'm seeing it as right now.
What's your opinion on how that works? I mean, I think it's kind
of hit it on the head politicsin general. I think, particularly on

(41:58):
the last once again, it's likeKanye West album. Man, it's it's
all this posturing, it's all thisvirtue signaling. But when the policy actually
comes, when the lyrics actually whenthe verses get dropped, it's not It's
not what we thought it was goingto be. But this is why I
would take, particularly for our KNAPlisteners and for African America throughout the community,

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that we need to be actually readinglyrics and reading legislation and not just
listening to the beat in the rhythm, Because the beat in the rhythm of
this album says this might be thenew illmatic. The beat in the rhythm
of this album, and the promotionsays, you know, this might be

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the new blueprint. You know,um, and at least from first listening,
it's not that. So I justthink that if you learn nothing else
from this Kanye West drop, understandthat you cannot get caught up in the
marketing of policy, the marketing ofthe music, the marketing of the things

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that surround the actual lyrics and andthe substance of music or politics. Right.
It's it is to encourage us toyou know, really focus on what's
important and then politics. It's thepolicy and the legislation. We need to

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be focusing on that and not theperson who's bringing it to us. Like,
you know, we like Joe Biden, we don't like Donald Trump,
so you know we're gonna pick JoeBiden. Well, now we're here and
we got to Afghanistan. You know. It's the same way with the music.
You know, we like the MercedesBenz Stadium, we like all the
production. But this album is itmay be a good album, but it's

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not. It's not what we thoughtit would be. It's not seven million
dollars worth of merch already sold typeof album. So I mean that's my
final perspective on that. It's just, you know, we need to continue
to be inquisitive, ask questions,and focus on what's important, not the
pomp and circumstance of anything we're consuming, whether it be politics, pop culture,

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music, what have you? Segmentthree nine of the Political Podcast Episode
seventeen. Hell of an episode,Hart. We will see you on the
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