Roblox and the Chocolate Factory(s)

Welcome to episode seventy-one! This week we talk about the video game our five-year-old is literally obsessed with (and that made us actually pull back on her screen time). Plus Natalie does a deep dive on Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory AND Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Let's have some fun!

Thanks as always to Shad Warrell for creating our theme music. Check him out at soundcloud.com/shad-warrell.

Episode Transcript

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All right, welcome to not suitablefor adults. Now with prerecorded episodes,
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doesn't feel like it, because wehad an episode we recorded that was delayed
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was it was ready to be released. And now that's just what we're doing,
which one is fully in the can. Yeah, like right now we're
recording and the next and there's anepisode that people will hear before we release
this episode, which is how weusually do things. Hello to be in

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the future. This is us fromthe past. What's it like up there
in the future now? Yikes,I really don't want to know. Yeah,
it could be scary or it couldbe great. Who knows, not
us, we're in the past.Oh, hello, computer, thank you
for that. That was great.All right, let's uh, let's let's

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do some podcasting. I have alot to talk about, but I know
you have a little thing, littlething meaning a smaller ish thing that you
wanted to talk about first, right, Yeah, I mean what I mean
is I have like a big thingto talk about, like mine takes up
a lot of time. Look atyou all fancy with your mind meaning ours?

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Yeah, it's it's both of ours. Just get your just go all
right, I'm rich, I'm Natalie. Yeah, we didn't do that part.
Now you know who's talking, andwe get the start. Thank you,
thank you, goodness gracious, she'sready to talk about her thing,
and I'm getting in the way ofNo. I'm really happy. You guys

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now know who is talking? Whatif this is their first episode? We
don't know. Okay, who's who? Is this? Where am I?
Okay, let's talk about Roadblocks.We usually talk about shows and movies,
but sometimes we break that, likeat the time I talked about Captain Crunch
recently, or when I've talked aboutbooks, or when you've talked about books,

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or or nursery rhymes, nursery rhymes. I'm going to talk about Roadblocks,
which is a video game platform.It's not even really a video game,
um and this has come up inour house a lot in the last
several months because it's a game thatis accessible for free. It's free to

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play. You can get it ona phone, or you can do it
on a computer um and there arelike kid friendly things in this platform,
but like it's not four kids necessarilynot. There are also right, so
this isn't across the board like letyour kids play Roadblocks, but I did
learn some things about this. Sobut here's been our experience. We um

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core got really excited about Roadblocks becausethere's a bunch of YouTube creators that make
content for kids that is them playingthis game, and Roadblocks is kind of
like a it's kind of like aLego type world or like a Minecraft type
world where the animation is not likefantastic, but there's a bunch of different

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games created by users. Yeah,so we let Ka watch if she's just
watching something, we let her watchYouTube Kids, which is usually very child
friendly content and it is we loveof YouTube kids. Usually she can kind

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of pick from from that what shewants. She's also five and a half,
so I'm just letting everybody know herages. When she's picking to watch
Roadblocks, it's someone streaming right theirgameplay, right, So it's usually a

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YouTube user playing the game and thenlike commentating as there. It's kind of
like Twitch but for kids. Yeah, yeah, very much. So.
Yeah, and so basically there's justa bunch of different the idea is.
And I'll get into some of thehistory of the company and like sort of

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where it came from here in asecond, but essentially what it is is
like when you log into Roadblocks,you don't go into a game. You
go into sort of like not evenlike a traditional sort of like gaming lobby,
but like a menu, and youyou can search like types of game
games in different categories, and peoplehave created these games and put them in
there for people to play, andyou can play for free. There's usually

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stuff that you can buy in thegames, so like upgrade your player just
in that game, but you don'thave to do that. You can just
pop in and do the thing.And usually it's like a go around and
find all all the little trinkets orit's an obstacle course, which they call
abbies, and that's usually what itis like, and that's usually what Kora

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would do. It's like mainly shewas very interested in the obstacle courses.
Are we going to say our actualexperience with Roadblocks, like real life experience,
Yeah, I guess, so youwant to talk about it. Well,
so Kora had it for a littlebit. We put it on her
phone able to when she was ableto play just anything that was free.

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Yeah, then she started having likethings that she was scared of that we
realized were coming from the actual game. Like there was a particular there was
a particular game in Roadblocks, likeI said, like he said, Rich

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Rich said, Roadblocks, you canchoose several different worlds to play in.
One of these particular worlds had alot of fire and a lot of um,
like a fire. It was likea scape from a house or something.
Yeah, it was like a firemonster. I'm gonna say monster.

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Um. And she started having ahard time with the thought of the house
sketching on fire or a fire monstercoming to her in the night or something
like that. And then I waslike, nope, we're done. She
um says every day that I wishI could have Roadblocks back. And this

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was like several weeks ago, nowat least a month or two that we
decided Roadblocks was not was not ourour friend at the moment. Yeah,
maybe she wasn't quite ready for that, And um, she still complains that
she wished she had it, andwe still go, hey, give this

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is the deal. This is thedeal. Um, So maybe not your
five year old friend, but maybeolder kids well that aren't as anxious as
ours. And I'll talk a littlebit about because there are there's some features
in the game that we didn't knowabout, Like we didn't get hyper into
it. We just kind of likewhen when it started making her nervous,

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we just kind of stopped it.But let me give it a little bit
of background. This shouldn't take tooawfully long. Um, but this actually
Robox as a platform was developed asearly as two thousand and four, so
it's actually been around for quite awhile, and it was officially launched in
two thousand and six. And it'sit's weird to think that, Sorry,

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that's not helpful. I keep settingmy cup down on the desk that has
the mics on it, and that'snot helpful. Is it weird to think
that two thousand and four is along time ago? Yeah? That was
the year I graduated from high school, so yes, for sure. Yeah.
So it's I mean, it's beenaround for a while now, and

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and it's been like moderately popular amonglike especially among like computer gamers, so
like there wasn't as wide of alike PC gamers there hasn't been a super
wide like demand for it for awhile until very recently. And that's actually

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with the advent of like live streamingyour live streaming gaming like twitch and YouTube,
and then even more so during thepandemic, it became Actually, so
this is like a funny sort ofthing where if you're in like the like
the corporate world, or even noteven necessarily in the corporate world, like
it's like how Zoom suddenly exploded,Like people were looking for how can we

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have meetings altogether? And I don'twant to use like I don't want to
use Google's thing. I want aSandalone program who that's their job? We
found Zoom. Zoom is it?We found Zoom. Zoom has been around
forever. And what I love isthat suddenly everybody had to use Zoom.
And the people of Zoom were like, yeah, the same thing happened with

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roadblocks. It was it was gettingmore popular, but all of a sudden,
here was a multiplayer gaming experience whereyou could have like private servers and
have people get together and play together. And it was cheap and it was
and you can create your own worlds, and and it became like a very
popular way to meet up with yourfriends online so much so that like it

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even became regular and normal to likehold digital birthday parties. In Roadblocks,
people would get together and like that'show they meet each When I say yikes,
I mean like, oh, thatstinks that you would have to do
that, But yeah, yeah,I mean we were all meeting and trying
to keep together virtually in twenty twentyto twenty twenty one. Yeah, I

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mean it's we're only very slowly gettingback to the point where we're seeing people
in public now. Yeah, Iwould say from from them from the research
that I did, the biggest sortof sticking point and the biggest way that
Roadblocks has been trying to improve reallyfor the last like five six seven years

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is with its chat and interaction features, which are like you can there are
ways to like type into a worldchat but the but basically to be a
certain type of game that can belike widely consumed, they have to go
through certain regulations and those kinds ofchat features have to be a certain amount

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of safe, and so that's kindof been something that they've gone through a
lot. Is like trying to finda balance of Okay, we need to
we need to have censored spaces forkids. We need to have make sure
it censors certain like words you know, in English in particular, which I

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don't I don't know if it ifit does anything else in other languages or
not. But um, yeah,So that's kind of been the main way
that it's been constantly trying to improve, so much so that it recently Roblox,
the company recently bought a whole standalonechat platform that they're like working to
integrate into roeblocks to improve that experience. By the way, as a parent,

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that's also another thing that I'm notsuper fond of when it comes to
um being advertised to my kid,is I don't necessarily want her to feel
like she needs to talk to peopleonline. Um, she can't yet because
she doesn't know many words. Yeah, Like she can't. She can't necessarily,

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Like she's just learning to read andshe's just learning to write words and
sound out words and everything. SoI know when this, when she becomes
more communicative, when she's able totype out responses and read responses to things,
this would be something that I wouldwant to monitor, yeah, closely.

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So, Um. One thing thatthat's here, and that's Actually one
of the pieces of like major criticismis how is how that is filtered?
And how how because more a biga big percentage of the people who are
interacting on this platform where now areminers, right, Um, and especially

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because it's I mean, if you'veever seen this game, when I say
it looks like a like a Legoknockoff, that's exactly what it looks like.
It looks like Legos, like justrunning around a world. Yeah,
it kind of looks like Legos meetsMinecraft in a way. Yeah. So
one thing one thing to know isthat we didn't know until I write into

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this is that there are settings thatyou can get into to like set up
your set up your child's account asa child account, and enforce spurntical controls.
Um, you can control who auser can interact with. Um.
I assume that means we'd have tolook im I'm interested to like go find
it and see for myself what thecontrols look like. But I assume that

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means like including turning off chat thatwould make me much more comfortable, and
also so limiting the types of serversand the type of the type of worlds
she can go into exactly. Um, there because there are I mean,
and it's just it's one of thosethings when it comes to like an open
and open world, open concept thing, there there are whole servers that are

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devoted to adult content and so likeyou, so that is something to be
aware of, and that's something thatthat people who are giving feedback on the
game. So like when people arereviewing, like game reviewers or reviewing it,
they're like, listen, you you'vegot it. If you're gonna give
this to your kid, you needto watch what they're doing because it's and
it's it's like letting them loose onregular YouTube. It's like you could sit

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them down in a place that youchose that's good, but they could leave
and roadblocks. The the the likesearch page for where to Go is just
going to recommend stuff based on whatthat other thing was like. So like
it's possible to go down a rabbittrail of clicks and get to something that's
different unless you have any sort ofcontrols in place. So take this from

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a couple of real parents, wereactually real, super real that actually just
recently went through this. If you'regoing to do if your child is interested
in roadblocks because he or she hasseen it played on some sort of video
streaming platform. Know that this isavailable, that you can do this parental

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control thing. We went through thiswhere we didn't know there was that.
We didn't realize there was maybe moreadult content. And I don't think she
went on and saw anything to likegraphic or anything, but she was at
night worried about, you know,things that a kid shouldn't need to be

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worried about, like her house settingon fire, you know, stuff like
that. So and that's when wedecided, Okay, this is creating more
in anxiety, then yeah, thenit's worth So we immediately took it off
of her um device. So thisis coming from two real parents that have

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gone through this trial and error andwe are And she loved it. She
loved playing roadblocks at the time.That was also another thing. She didn't
want to put it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was spending
a lot of time, like you'reyou know, if you've listened to us
for some time that we don't mindlike we're not. We're not like super

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strict on screen time. I lovescreen time, but it was too much.
It got to the point where ifwe said you need to pause your
game, or it's time to stopyour game. We're going to go do
something else. It would end upbeing a battle, and we just started
going like, Okay, this isnot worth it. And so we were
just we just decided, listen,this isn't going to be on your device

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anymore. And it was a veryhard for her because she really did like
it a lot, but she's five, and we are going to make the
decisions at this point. And soanyway, all of that just to say,
these are two real parents that havejust gone through this. So yeah,

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so we're just trying to say,hey, this is what worked for
us. And also we didn't knowthere were parental controls. But also even
though they're parental controls for our particularsituation, I don't think we're going to
be putting Roadblocks back on her device, yeah a little while, because of
the behavior that it created, Ibelieve. Yeah, real quick, before

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we before we finished with Roadblocks,I do want to give one more little
nugget of information about the just thescope of it, because it's hard to
it's hard to sort of grasp this. It's actually really hard if especially if
you've seen it played, because itlooks like such a like it's really cool.
First of all, like it.It's cool that from like a technical

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perspective that it exists, but it'shard to understand the scope of how like
many people interact with this thing.So just some statistics really quick and then
we'll be done with Roadblocks. Mayof last year, it was reported that
the most popular games in Roadblocks hadover ten million monthly active players each.

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In August of last year, therewere twenty games that had been played more
than one billion times and at leastfive thousand games that had been played more
than one million times, So thereare like to begin with. That means
there are more than five thousand gamesinside Roadblocks, like user created games,
which again I just think that's settingaside our problems with it. It's super

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cool video game as a virtual spacewhere people can come and play together.
It is an amazing feat. Andone other thing that is that is interesting
if you're into video games is thatthey have a they've sort of distinguished themselves
and the free to play space,because usually free to play means you have

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to you play the game. You'represented with like a tutorial, and after
the tutorial, it's like, ifyou want to do this thing, you
can buy some extra things, andthen you'll get charge up like charge ups,
and then from here on you're kindof on your own. And they've
sort of distinguished themselves because because eachgame is different, the most successful ones

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don't have like a tutorial, soit's just like you're in, and then
they just do micro transactions of likeif you want a skin, or if
you want if you want something else, or if you want like if you're
in a thing, like she wasplaying one game where like you have to
collect these eggs to hatch little likefriends to follow you around, and if
you want the really cool ones,you can buy an egg, yeah,

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or you can go around and dotasks and then like and after several hours
of play, you'll have enough stuffto go buy a cheaper egg. That's
another thing that a five year oldcan't understand, which is I need to
buy this egg in this virtual world, and mom and dad are saying,
no, that's not where our moneyis going, right, our money is
going toward feeding you in real life. Wright, because she'll watch this YouTuber

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go in and be like, becausethey're making money off of their YouTube channels.
So they've gone in and they've boughtbillions of they're called roebucks. Roebucks.
They've bought millions and millions of roebucks, and so they're like, all
right, we're gonna get all thethings. Let's see how long it takes
us to get all of them.And they'll buy a hundred eggs and then
like sit there and hatch all theeggs and show you how long it takes

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for them to get all of them. So a child that doesn't understand the
concept of money and earning money andneeding money to live might say, why
won't mom and dad? Mom ordad pay to you know, hatch my
eggs. Yeah, and we're like, no, we pay to get you

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food today. Yeah. So yeah, it's just in the last little tidbit
of information. In twenty twenty,it was the third highest grossing video game
with two with two point three billiondollars. I mean it's a way to
escape. Yeah, you get yougo into other worlds. Yeah, you

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meet new people, you can talkto other people, you can do things
you normally wouldn't have been able todo in the year twenty twenty, which
is anything. Or you can createyour own game, right, Like,
yeah, I get it. Sothat's roadblocks. Um, it's pretty cool.
It's it's hard to handle for thelittlest kids, but so just keep

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an eye on it. But it'savailable on mobile and on PC, and
probably there's a way to do iton Mac, but I know on PC.
All right, let's take a break. We'll take a quick polo.
I have so much to talk about. She's like just bursting with information about
our next thing. So we're gonnatake a quick break and we'll be back.
Promol And we're back. We went. We had a movie binge today

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we did for this next thing becauseI said, you know, what I
haven't done is a deep dive onany of the Willie Wonka stuff. Yeah,
which, um, okay, WillyWonka and the Chocolate Factory. Also
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Theseare the two things that I'll be talking

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about that we'll be talking about.Um, I saw Willy Wonka as a
kid. Yeah, same, ButI also yeah, okay, so I
also was super into musicals as aswell as older movies. Right, so

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this was my jam as a kid, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
So let's talk about that first.Um, First off, I wrote some
notes as we were watching, Ihope this doesn't take too long. Let's
do it. Okay, let's go, let's go. Oh boy okay.

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Um. First off, in WilliamWonka in the Chocolate Factory, our first
song that we get is the CandyMan and could make the sun Rise.
I think we all pretty much knowthat song or have heard it in commercials.
At least I know that that itmost recently, I Leave was on

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an iPhone commercial. Yeah, it'son that and it's been I think it's
been like sampled for for for Iwas not sampled for like a pretty popular
hip hop song a few years ago. I can't remember. I don't know.
Um, I just know that Iknow we know the Candy Man can
right? You know that song?So that is the first thing. That's

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the first song we hear sung bysomeone. It is sung by a candy
sto store owner, yep um ina katy store with a ton of children
around. He's singing this song andhe is just throwing candy around. Yeah,
so that's the That's the first thingwe noticed as we're watching this movie

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is that he's just during this song, he's just letting these kids do a
free for all with this candy.Um. As he's singing the song,
he also almost um just like takesa little girl's head off. Yeah.
What I mean by that is,you know the old um. What am
I saying? That? On thebar with a door the car the countertop

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where the door would lift up sosomebody could walk out. He lifts up
that door and actually knocks a childactresses chin and she kind of jerks her
head up. And this is actuallyin the movie where she bumps. He
bumps this kid in the face withthis wooden door, and it's just part

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of the movie. So hey,if you're watching this, check it out.
It's right after he gives them likea drink. He hands them a
drink and then he knocks this littlegirl in the chin with this wooden door.
Then we see Charlie. He's standingoutside the window looking him like,

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man, I wish I could buycandy like these kids. And I'm like,
get in there, Charlie. Yeah, no one is right now.
He is just throwing candy to thesekids. Get in there, Charlie.
You could be a part of thesong. But Charlie's looking in the window
like, man, I wish Icould be like Sam I wish I could

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buy candy for myself. So anyway, I'm just like get in there.
We had a little debate about umwhere they were in this movie because he
said, um, Rich said,where is this set? Night immediately went

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it has to be London. WhichLondon for a little inside joke, which
is I'm just gonna really quickly,okay, super fast, um A suitable
for adults movie Hot Fuds, whichwe love the when you call them the

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trilogy Corneto trilogy. Yes, butalso there there's four of them, right,
you're thinking of Paul the one withthem. Okay, so we're talking
about Simon Pegg and Nick Frost andthey're amazing duo um and hot Fudds and

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hot fuzz Um. Simon Pegg's characteris from London, and none of the
people in the small town that hegoes to can say London correctly. Yeah,
they all say it, and theyall say differently. So like he
keeps getting he keeps getting notes frompeople, like people are calling leaving a
message for me at the police stationand they go, someone from London called

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for you, and he's like,okay, Tom, I'll ring them back.
And then later on, later ontowards the end of the movie,
he's like in the back of NickFrost's car and and he gets it's like,
just go back, go back toLondon, London. So that's how
we that's how we say London,how we say London. Now. So
when Rich said where is this set? I immediately went, I mean I

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always as it was London. Itwas assumed they were in London. Um,
but the probably well, but beforeyou reveal it. The problem,
the reason it's confusing is that whenyou look at when it feels, it
feels pretty British like you can ornot British necessarily, but European like when
you when you're looking at the town, there's lots of cobblestone, there's lots

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of old buildings. The buildings don'tlook like the way that American towns are
laid out, right, But Charliedoesn't have a doesn't have a European accent,
right, And neither does Grandpa Joe, who were like the main members
of the family, and mom does, but his mom does, and his
grandmother does. His grandmother has likea German accent, So there are several

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European, German British accents I'm justgrouping them kind of. And then also
there are several accents that we wouldcall American. Yeah, um, so
wonkaes an American act. Right.So I was like, oh, now
that I'm thinking of it, Ihave no idea. I just assumed it

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was in England. Um. SoI looked into it, and the way
the book is written and the waythe movies are written is that it is
just a town on Earth. Yeah, it is a fictional town, a
fictional in our world. Um.Technically, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

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was filmed in Munich. Yeah,so that's why we're seeing the more European
style homes and everything, right,um uh okay, going forward, Um,
let's talk about the grandparents being bredbed ridden for twenty years. Yeah,

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that's what they I mean. Iyou said you read the book.
I did, but it's been awhile. I don't remember a lot of
the details from the book. Idon't think i've ever read the book.
I do believe that the all fourgrandparents being in the same bed is a
feature of the book. It hasto be because it is a It is
a constant factor in these movies.These grandparents. There are two couples,

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two men, two women that arein a bed Lincoln log style, Lincoln
log style. In this bed,it has to be like a king's probably
like a king's site. It's it'sthat big. It's a pretty small well,
Okay. Now in Willy Wonka itis really Wonka's a pretty big bed,
okay. And Charlie it's a smallerbed okay. So I mean it's

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a queen to king's size bed wherethey're just basically kind of um laying feet
to feet, yeah, or likealmost almost head to toe, but yeah,
um. And there's four grandparents inthis bed and Mom is there,
and Willy Wonka it is just themom. Mom is there, and she

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is providing for this whole family.She's providing for herself, for Charlie and
for two sets of grandparents that arebedridden and have been for years. Have
you noticed the names of the grandparents. Joe is the main grandpa. Yeah,

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that's the only one anybody talks about, is it Joe and Josephine.
It's Joe and Josephine and George andGeorgina. Ah see, I missed George
and Georgina. I knew Joe andJosephine. Yeah, okay, so I
think it's funny and like that.That to me feels like a very little

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that feels like a children's book detail, like right, Grandpa, Grandpa Joe,
Grandma Josephine and Grandpa George and Grandmaand Grandma Georgina, like yeah,
yeah. Um. Another thing wesaw was Charlie comes up to Grandpa Joe
and goes like it was pay dayand gives him like a coin whatever their

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currency is in this town. Giveshim a coin and says, I'm going
to pay for your tobacco now.And I was like, excuse me,
sir. He buys, He goes, He buys a loaf of bread,
a very luscious looking local bread ofbread, and then gives gives some to
his mom to help provide, andgives a coin to his grandpa to help

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with his tobacco addiction. Yeah soyeah, And then he goes. And
then the grandpa goes, no,Charlie, I can't take this from you.
I just need to not smoke anymore. That's that's a drain on our
expenses, right, And he evensays, you just spent a lot of
money on bread. I need tobe done with tobacco, I can give
that up. And then the momgoes, oh, Grandpa Joe, it's

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just a pipe of day. Andthen he's like, okay, Charlie.
Also, I wanted to go backto pay day because that was a sad
moment too. He so Charlie whenwhen he's at the candy store window and
he turns away, he's going tohe's he has a newspaper route and so
he goes to the newspaper stand guyand gets his rolls of newspaper into his

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a little satchel, and he goes. He goes, it's it's payday to
day, isn't it, mister whateveryour name is. He's like, I'm
suurist, Charlie. And he pullsout a big, single, shiny coin
and gives it to Charlie and I'mlike, that's pay day. Well,
it's probably like a pound, likeif you're if you're talking about like European
money, it looks like a coinversion of I mean, I don't know

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European there, but there's a coinpound right there is, but it's still
but that still feels like a sad, sadly small amount of very sad.
It's very for sure. The nextthing I wanted to talk about really quickly
is that he has a terrible schoolteacher. Yes, science teacher. I'm
just gonna leave that out there forpeople that know. But it is I

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mean, it is funny because he'slike he's a first of all, he's
mean and he's bad. He's mean, he's bad, and he kind of
isn't teaching science. No, He'slike he's like, I have this special
concoction that I make with nitric acidand glycerin and then this other secret ingredient.
And then like, if you're inthe audience and if you do know

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even like a little bit about thethings that he just said in chemistry,
it's like, those are the ingredientsnitric glycer and which is an explosive.
And then he goes, you takethe nitric ascer then the glycer and I'll
take my secret ingredient. We'll justpour him into this bucket. And then
they do and then and then itpoofs in their face and it's like,
well, you could have like reallyexploded some stuff there, mister science teacher.

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But his main thing is like makingthe kids feel bad. It was
just a dumb part of the movie. Yeah, I felt like it didn't
have a place in the movie reallyother than showing that poor Charlie. Later
he talks about in their school.He's talking about statistics of getting all the

(35:07):
percentages yet and the percentage of yougetting a golden ticket. How many did
you open? Oh? I openedtwo hundred. Okay, here's the statistics
of that. How many did youopen, Charlie? I opened two?
And he goes, oh, twohundred. I'm gonna write it down.
And Charlie goes, no, Iopened two, and he goes and he

(35:29):
looks into me. He goes,too, Well, I don't know how
to calculate too small? Why didyou only open two? Why did you
open too It was just he's aterrible teacher, and I'm I'm done with
him. One of the things thatyou just started said, I was done
with him. Now we're not gonnatalk about him anymore. We're done with
the teacher. But I'm gonna say, because you were like this, like
this whole opening part is a lotabout sort of feeling bad for Charlie and

(35:51):
how bad Charlie's life is. Wewatched the cinemasons, like, uh,
I was gonna talk about cinemasons.But yeah, well I won't get into
I won't like the whole thing.But like the guy on that show is
like man, this this part,it was about this time that he goes
like man, I really forgot that. Even though this movie is called Willy
Wonka and the Chocolate Factor, wedon't know. We don't see Willy Wonka
or hear him speak until about fortyfive minutes into the movie. The first

(36:15):
forty five minutes is all about makingyou feel terrible about Charlie. Yes,
and this movie is an old movie, and it's a musical technically, yeah,
and it is only an hour anda half long, yeah, which
is unheard of when it comes tomusicals. Really, yeah, it's kind
of a musical, like it hasmusical numbers, but it's not traditional musical,

(36:38):
right, sure, moving on,moving on, don't talk to me
a music class. I know aboutmusicals, You don't know anything about music.
That's not true at all. Um. Also, we have the guy
with the scar on his face talkingto the kids, and we later learned

(36:59):
that that is supposed to be andI forgot his name, slug Worth trying
to get the kids to steal aneverlasting gob stopper from the chocolate factory to
take to him so that he canmake um the same concoction to make an
everlasting gob stopper. This guy withthe scar on his face, who did

(37:21):
I say? It reminded me ofthe Nazi from Raiders of the Lost art
he is because he has the skyI mean he looks like him. Um,
I mean he's a he's a he'slike a skinny face, like mutilated
face, weird wire rim glasses.Yeah, he looks, yeah, he
has and he's pretty creepy. Soum, you see him every time a

(37:44):
kid wins or finds a golden ticket, he's there kind of whispering in the
kid's ear, and I'm like,okay, parents need to see this child
being uh taken and whispered into hisear. Later we find out he was
just a plant by Willy Wonka totry to try to weed out the ones
that were there to just like getrich, yeah or whatever. By the

(38:08):
way, Slugworth is in the story. Slugworth is the name of a competing
candy brand, yes, which bythe way, is a terrible name.
Yeah, but he employs somebody tobe Slugworth, right, Yeah, I
just or to say he's slug worsright. Yeah. Also, my favorite
person in both of these movies.I have a favorite character on in each

(38:32):
of these movies, and it's theperson when Charlie finds the Golden Ticket.
Ye. He's being bombarded in bothmovies. One by people trying to grab
the ticket from him or like tryingto trying to get him to have an
interview or something like that. Anotherpeople are trying to get him to sell

(38:57):
the ticket to them, and they'reoffering ridiculously hyper prices that could help him
and help his family. The myfavorite person in either one of these adaptations
is the guy. There's always aguy that goes, Charlie, grab that
ticket, hold onto it, runhome, don't don't stop until you get

(39:19):
home. Yeah. And that's theperson that's like, I'm looking out for
you, and you just found thisticket. You need to run home to
the people that won't take it fromyou, and don't stop until you do.
That's my favorite person. And thereare um so in the first one,
it's you said it was the US, you recognized him. I believe

(39:44):
it's the it's the newspaperman. It'sthe guy that works for Okay, for
me, it was just a guythat was kind of in the crowd that
I heard talking. But you recognizedhim as the newspaperman because he actually says
Charlie right, and in the charearly in the chocolate factory, it's the
it's the candy or it's the conveniencestore worker. Yeah, it's just the

(40:07):
guy who he boughs the bar fromsays, don't listen to anybody, run
home and and just get home.Keep it to yourself. M Grandpa hasn't
walked in twenty years, and yethe gets up and does a jig.
I'm just gonna say that doesn't andthen sings a song about how he's got
a golden ticket. I've got agolden ticket, he says, I,

(40:30):
Yep, I've got a golden ticket. Like, excuse me, grandpa,
if you could walk this whole time, get up and get a job.
Here's what I really think. Firstof all, I do think that that's
that's a silly like story point,is that the grandpa would be saying,
look at me with my golden ticket. But also I told you while we
were watching it that I suspect thatthat happened. I suspect that originally I've

(40:52):
Got a Golden Ticket was supposed tobe a Charlie song, right, but
Charlie can't sing. It's a badsinger, and he sings in the song
and it's bad. Yes, wewere talking about this. This is a
whole thing. It's a whole otherthing. But we were talking about the
boy who plays Charlie is not afantastic actor, nor singer, nor singer,

(41:20):
yet he was cast for Willie Wonkinthe Chuckley Factory. Was that because
there was a budget and they blewit on Gene Wilder? Is that what
it was or is it just thatthere weren't a lot of child male actors
of the time that would take thispart. We looked into it and we

(41:44):
saw that Ron Howard was working aroundthe same time. Now he would have
been I realized later he would havebeen a little bit older in nineteen seventy
one. So Ron Howard would havebeen a little too old. And the
boy that played you said, therewas another boy that played there were there
were there were several like young youngboy actors who shoot now you said something,

(42:09):
you said someone specific, um,but there weren't And this was this
was a period of time where alot of dramatic and singing actors as far
as children were girls. Yeah,um or even or even like it's not

(42:32):
even this period. I think that'sprobably mostly true, even like we don't
there aren't a lot of like modernmusicals that aren't remakes, that are other
than like the in the last twoyears with like linn Manuel Miranda writing stuff
for like brand new musicals that arebecoming popular. But I would say,

(42:54):
like up until like Glee hit TV, like if you if you were looking
at like a young musically inclined actorfor a movie or TV role, most
likely it was going to be agirl, and not because of any sort
of gender thing like from A Imean maybe yes, but not like a.

(43:17):
Not because boys can't be singers anddancers, but partly because boys can't
be singers and dancers. I thinkyou know what I mean. Time,
I feel like this was a time, and I told you this as we
were watching this. I feel likeat the time, unless you were a
man in this field that had alreadyestablished himself in the singing dancing field,

(43:43):
not a lot of young boys.I feel like we're encouraged to take on
a dramatic role, yeah, orto take on a artistic role, I
guess is what I mean. Ifeel like that was I mean, it's
not quote unquote manly for the time, and I feel like I feel like

(44:07):
we're getting more to the point nowwhere a lot more men are taking on
dramatic, artistic, musical, theatrical, dancing, every every type of role
just as much as females are.Yeah, and um, I feel like

(44:30):
at this time there probably wasn't alot of male actors out there, boy
actors, boy actors that were outthere that really wanted or were encouraged to
do this. Yeah, I thinkthat's I think that's true. I think
that that probably is true. Iwas just thinking we had like Shirley Temple,

(44:52):
right, Like Shirley Temple was shewas thing, but she was even
kind of a and we talked abouther actually during the movie. Yeah,
we're like, but she was evenkind of a generation before, right,
Yeah, this so but also likejust now, I was thinking that's all
true. But also I would saythe boys who play Mike TV and and

(45:13):
well not so much as Augustus,but Mike, particularly Mike TV, like
he's a better actor than Charlie.Yeah, and none of the kids are
amazing. Well, they're kids,except for the girl who plays Vruga salt.
Maybe she's really good but well Veruca, and she even has her own
singing part and does well, rightlike she she does well acting as a

(45:38):
spoiled brat and she also has herown singing part. Yeah, and she
does very well. So it justit felt like it felt like at the
time there weren't a lot of options. I feel like for male actors to
maybe maybe okay, blah blah,um, I'm going to skip forward.

(46:06):
They're in the factory. Yeah,Um, Augustus has been sucked up by
the tube. Um, what's herface? I always forget? Has been
turned into a blueberry violet. Idon't know why I always forget her name.
Um. And then I believe Verrucahas maybe already been taken by the

(46:29):
geese or has been labeled a bagegg, but I'm not particular sure.
They get to the fizzy bubble room. They do that right before the right
before Veruca. Right, okay,so um they get to the fizzy bubble
room and it's Grandpa Grandpa Joe thatgoes like, hey, let's take a

(46:50):
taste of this and totally pressures Charlieto take a test taste of this thing.
And when they take a test oftaste of these like fizzy what did
they call? Yes, it startsmaking them floating air toward this giant fan,
which, in my head, asfar as we're concerned watching this movie,

(47:16):
Charlie and Grandpa Joe should have beeneliminated from this contest. Quote this
contest. They would have been somehowtrapped in the fan, and the umpa
loompas would have had to get themout of the fan or something like that
and sing a song about them.This is. These are the people,
after watching Augustus and after watching Violetnot listen to what they were told,

(47:43):
they go in and they start tastetesting things and they are put in a
precarious situation situation and they figure itout. I mean they have to burp
their way back down. But thisfeels like a thing that should have been
like you need to be eliminated atthis point in the upa loopas are going

(48:05):
to sing about you. Also um, And this is there's there's that aspect
of it, but there's also um. This is immediately after Violet has just
like gone and grab something she wasn'tsupposed to have eaten it and turned into
a blueberry and now has to goto the squeezinger. Like it's different from
It's one thing when Augustus gets suckedup the tube, that's one thing.

(48:28):
That's like a safety thing that happened. It's like, that's it's weird that
he got sucked up. But that'sjust weird, that's all that is.
But now we know that there arethere are there are things you can ingest
in this place that will change youthat like there's magic in here basically.
And so they just saw that happenanother one and that and he goes into

(48:50):
room. He's like, yeah,there's all this stuff. He's like,
we haven't had a quiet right yet. Okay, bye, and now like
let's just try it. And likeyou just watched another kids just try adults
that says, hey, let's goin and do this. Yeah. Um.
Also, every time something happens afterAugustus, you see Willie Wonka go
no stop, no, don't stop, please stop, And that's just funny

(49:13):
to me that he's just like,no, stop, don't do it.
Um. Also, something I noticedin this one versus Charlie Um is that
the um umpa loompas are different actors, and I believe there were I think
ten or twelve different actors that playedthe umpa loompas in Willie and the Chocolate

(49:35):
Factory. Um. In Charlie andthe Chocolate what you called it, Willie
and the Chocolate Factory, Willie Wonkaand the Chocolate Factory, and you combine
Charlie, Charlie, Willie. I'mgetting everything super mixed up in my brain.
Um. So there were ten ortwelve actors that played the umpa loompas

(49:58):
in the original movie. And thenthere was just one actor that played every
upa loompa, like dozens of umpaloompas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
And his name was deep Roy.Deep Roy, and he did I mean,
I would have to say tons ofwork. Although so here's the thing.

(50:21):
I know, we're jumping like thisis a we're dipping into Charlie on
this one. But the thing aboutdeep Roy is one first, there's like
several ways that I think that thatgot accomplished. There's like there's sometimes it's
him getting filmed over and over doingsomething. Other times it's like like when
they're in the rowing scene, they'rein the boat and all the upa loompas

(50:42):
are rowing. That's like a bunchof different people, and his head is
just like digitally superimposed on their heads. And then also we didn't talk about
this while we were watching it,but the voice of the narrator, well,
no, we talked about the narratoris a different person. Is no
one else in the movie? Yes? Um. But also the voice of

(51:05):
the umpa Loompa's in the song whenthey're singing is Danny Elfman. Right,
he records all the vocals to theto the song. Yeah. And Danny
Elfman, of course, it's likethe big time composer. He's the guy
who writes the music for this movie. So Deep roy I did, I
mean, I know we're kind ofjumping between movies. Yeah, but I
found a little tidbit about Deep Roy. Um. He had to repeat a

(51:30):
lot of the same movements a lotof different times to get everything to be
put together digitally. Um. Andin recognition of this, he was his
salary was raised an extra million dollars. I mean absolutely it should have been.

(51:50):
Um. Back to back to Williewan back to Willy Wonka. I'm
almost done with Willie and then wewill move on to Charlie very quickly.
At the at the end, he'slike, Okay, we're done. We're
done with them tour. He goesin. He sits at his half desk.
Everything in William's Ridiculous is in halves. He sits down and and m

(52:17):
Grandpa Joe comes over and says,doesn't Charlie get anything? He says to
no, Charlie gets nothing. Youdidn't follow the rules. You partook of
fizzy lifty drink. I know aboutthis, and that's I mean, you
basically stole it. And no,you don't get anything. Yeah, you're

(52:38):
very way the rules. Before theywalk out, Charlie decides, I'm going
to be the bigger man. Yeah, I'm going to be the most the
most mature person in this room.So he walks over. He takes the
everlasting golf stopper that he was goingto basically sell to the fake that he
didn't know was fake. Slug worthWorth nailed it. Yes, thank you,

(53:00):
I was gonna say, salot cornum and sets it on the desk
and Willy Wonka says, so shinesa good deed in a weary world,
and I love that um, Andthen suddenly Charlie is the best kid on
the planet. Yeah he he umhe uh wins everything. And they get

(53:24):
into the uh what's it called theGreat Glass Elevator. Yes, they get
into the elevator and they go upand they're gonna like they're gonna go up
and out, and the grandpa says, but it's all glass, and I
go says, literally is literally whathappened. As we're sitting there, I

(53:46):
said, wow, I just wantto hang on because I want to I
just want to say that. Ijust want to say that these are jokes
and and I don't have these feelings. They should know this by now,
I know, but I just wantto because it's the Internet, and so
I just don't want people to thinkthat. Everybody, chill, please know

(54:06):
that these are not the feelings thatare in my heart. This is this
is just a joke that I makewhen Natalie these kinds of observations. This
is also my joking. Observation isI said, wow, shattering a glass
ceiling with three white males. They'rein an elevator and they go up and
they go through a glass ceiling,and Rich says, we gotta go first

(54:28):
to tell you what it's like,and I was like, I'm writing it
down, oh man. And thenthey're just so happy and everything, and
Charlie's like, can I bring mywhole family to the factory? And Willie
Wonka is like absolutely the end?Yeah, the end? Did you know

(54:50):
that end? I think this isright. I'm gonna I'm gonna do.
This is me trying my best toremember when I read the Willie Wonka books,
because there are multiples or the Charlieand the Chocolate Factory books. There's
like two or three of them.When they at the end of the story
in um in the books, theyget in, they get in the Great

(55:13):
Glass elevator and they leave, andthey're like dealing with like, all right,
you're gonna take over the You're gonnatake over the Chocolate Factory. And
then Willie Wonka gets a call fromthe President and they have to go to
the President because and Willie Wonka andCharlie have to help the President solve a
problem that he's got. Um,I want to say a couple of little

(55:35):
trivia things. I know we're probablyrunning close. We'll just be a long
one. It's okay, okay.So when Gene Wilder decided he was going
to take the role. He hadone condition, and that condition was that
when you first see Willie Wonka,he looks like he's walking with a cane.

(55:57):
Yeah. Oh, he wanted todo that scene is thing he wants.
I have an idea for a scene, and if it's not in the
movie, I'm out. Yes,I love he wanted to walk with a
cane, act like he needed acane for assistance. And at the very
end, he wanted to do asummersault and be like, ha, that
was Gene Wilder's baby, That's whathe wanted to do. Um. He

(56:19):
also beat out a few other famouspeople like Fred Astaire and Peter Sellers too.
Yeah to both of those actually rightto be. Um, that's just
a couple of people that he beatout. Um, Like, listen,
friend of Stare and Peter Sellers aregreat. I'm not saying that they're but
just I can't. I can't.I can't, That's all I can't,

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Okay. Um. The guy thatwrote the books, Rolled Doll hated this
movie. Sure. He hated itbecause it's really different from the book,
and he absolutely refused to let itbe remade until he died in nineteen ninety
fifteen years later, then we hadCharlie in the Chocolate Factory. Just he

(57:09):
hated the movie. Um, Ialready said that it was shot in Munich.
Um, let's seem oh, SammyDavis wanted to be the candy man.
The would have been cool. Thatwould have been very cool. Um,
but the producers were like, nojets. That would have been good.

(57:30):
Yeah, that would have been good. Um. Only one of the
child actors actually stuck with acting,and that was the actor actress that played
Verruca. Yeah, Julie don Cole. She went on to play in soap
operas. It might be because shewas the best. She was the best.
Like we've said, it was thebest child actor in this movie.

(57:52):
Um. The boy that played Charlieactually became a veterinarian and lived in Cleveland,
Cleveland, and um, he turneddown a lot of other movies and
just decided that he wanted to bea vet. Is he like? Did
you watch the Chocolate Factory? Though, the first time these kid actors ever

(58:16):
saw the edible room was when theywere being filmed. At that moment,
that's cool, that's very cool.They wanted to have actual reactions from the
kids. Um for that room,and that was their legitimate, genuine reactions.
Very cool. Um. Same withthe chocolate river. Um, I

(58:38):
mean they saw, they saw everythingat that point. The chocolate river,
by the way, it was chocolatecream and like fifteen thousand gallons of water
and it smelled terrible. I'm sureI have no doubt about that. Um.
Let's see, only about a thirdof the stuff in the chocolate room

(59:01):
they're calling it the chocolate room wasactually edible. When he u was drinking
out of the little teacup and thentakes a bite of the teacup, that's
actually wax, right, so helike bit out of wax and then had
to spit it for each take.Just a couple more things. So um.

(59:23):
The boat scene was also, um, quite scary for the child actors
because the way Gene Wilder was inthose scenes was very like ominous and kind
of creepy. It was. Itwas scary for the child audience members,
right, So that was actually theirgenuine reactions. Also, the very last

(59:49):
thing I'm going to talk about withthis particular movie is that at the at
the end when Grandpa Joe says,like, where did what does Charlie get
in? And Willie Wonka says hegets nothing and like yells and screams at
that. He actually had rehearsed thatquite calmly, and then when they started

(01:00:09):
rolling, he became super intense.I mean yeah, so that their reactions
would be a lot more startled.Um. So it sounds like Gene Wilder
really kind of like twisted a lotof Willy Wonka and kind of made him

(01:00:30):
um a lot more dramatic. Ithink. I think I think that makes
sense though like it there's there's justlike good acting choices though sometimes too right.
So like I think he made theright call there. I think if
he had just been like what aboutCharlie, doesn't Charlie give anything? If

(01:00:52):
he'd just turn around and like,no, you stole Fitzy lifting drink and
and that violates the rules he signedthe con tracked and he doesn't get to
do it, so no, youwin nothing like that wouldn't have been as
good as the tirade he goes on. He goes on a tirade, but
the reactions that he gets from that, because they weren't used to him reacting

(01:01:13):
that way right was but that's verygenuine was that was the genuine part Okay.
So also, I'm just gonna say, if you haven't seen Cinemasins,
please watch Cinemasins. Yeah, we'renot affiliate with with cinemasons at all,
but it's like really good, especiallyif you like really love movies but you
see like little plot holes and issueswith it. Yeah, it's a pretty

(01:01:36):
funny way to like enjoy those thoselittle movie mistakes and problems. Charlie and
the Chocolate Factory one of the mainthings at the beginning is that Charlie has
a dad in this one, andWilly Wonka he just has a mom that's
providing for everyone. Mom and dadare both in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

(01:01:59):
All. So, this is aTim Burton movie. And when there's
a Tim Burton movie, you knowthere's gonna be a Helena Bottom Carter and
you know there's gonna be Johnny Depp. That's just I mean, he has
just a love affair with both ofthose actors. He loves them. Yeah.
Um, in this one, GrandpaJones worked for. Really, Grandpa

(01:02:22):
Joe worked for You have a GrandpaJones or you had a Grandpa Jones.
So it's hard for me to sayGrandpa Joe and start at that. Um.
Uh, he worked at the WonkaFactory and then was laid off when
people started stealing his ideas. Andso that's why Grandpa Joe knows a lot

(01:02:43):
more about the factory. Um,you were excited to see Missy Pyle's and
she's a very funny actress. Welove Missy Pyle here. Um And the
original movie, the grand prize wasthat they were going to be given a
lifetime supply of chocolate. In thisif you found them the golden ticket,

(01:03:08):
you were your name was put infor receiving the factory did so. I
was curious about this because I missed. I think I stepped out for the
scene when when you said, oh, they just get it just says they
get the factory. But later onin the movie they say they are asking
him what's the secret prize? They'reasking They're like, what do we get?

(01:03:29):
What is so they're asking about it. In Charlie and the Chocolate Factory,
they're asking him about it. Laterare they saying the secret prize?
Are they saying the grand Prize?It's like they're asking and they don't know
what they're going to get at theend of the thing. Um, I
thought it said in its little thing, but maybe I'm wrong. They know

(01:03:52):
that there's an either one, thatthere's going to be a grand prize.
I believe in the first one theythink that they're just going to get a
lifetime supply of chocolate and he endsup getting to move into the factory with
his family. And the second one, I thought that they were looking for

(01:04:12):
someone to take over the factory,but maybe they didn't know that yet.
Yeah, it's fine. Um.We also talked about how the narrator is
neither um. This was funny.Actually yeah, so I said, their
narrator. Who is the narrator again? It's Christopher And I was like,
well, Christopher Lee. Is ChristopherLee, right, it's Johnny Depp's father

(01:04:35):
in the movie. He said,no, that's not That's not the narrator.
It's I thought it was Deep Roy. I thought it was actually Deep
Roy and I said no, I'mI mean, at the very end,
you see Deep Roy mouthing along withthe narrator. It was supposed to be
yes, And I said, butthat's not him. I'm pretty sure it's

(01:04:57):
Christopher Lee that's actually narrating. Wecome to find that it's neither of them.
It is Jeffrey Holder. He isnarrating the whole thing. Has just
a beautiful, velvety, deep voice. Listen to it all day. Um
also riches quote from watching this moviewas remember when we all had hopes for

(01:05:19):
Freddy heiman high hopes for Freddie Heimore. I was just thinking, and I
was like, I was like,he's in a lot of stuff, and
he's in a very. He's ina very, like he's in a long
running TV show right now. Ithink the thing is just and he has
to your point, he has alot of career left in front of him.
So I'm not saying like it's overand he crashed a real man now,

(01:05:43):
I'm a grown boy. Point,he's a big boy now. Yeah.
My point is when he hit thescene in like two thousand and five,
two thousand and six, he wasall over the place. So he
was all over the place. Hewas in He was in this, and
he was in that movie August Rush, which was actually Natalie my first day.
It was our first day. Wewent and saw and and it just

(01:06:06):
seemed like he was gonna be andwasn't he in Um? Oh? What
was there was something else big thathe was in around that time. I'm
not I can't remember, um,but he was in a Bundy to keep
thinking the sixth sense. But that'snot really really not him. But he
was in a bunch of movies andhe was like gonna be he was like
the new up and coming like childactor. Yeah, and he kind of

(01:06:29):
disappeared and then he came back andhe was in a couple of movies I
think, and then he is onThe Good Doctor Doctor for a while,
yeah, which is basically like amore serious doogie houser. Well, yeah,
I mean he's a doctor. Ibelieve that's on the spectrum. But
he's also very young. He's likeon the spectrum, so they don't know
how to, like, um handlehim sometimes. So he's like a nice

(01:06:54):
house. He's like a nice house, an older dougie. Yeah, he's
like a younger house, a youngernicer house, a younger nicer house,
an old we have not seen singleit never seen the show. Um.

(01:07:14):
Also in this movie, we havea lot more orange origin stories of where
the Umpa Lumpas came from, aswell as where um Willy Wonka came from,
and his love of candy and chocolateand everything came from, which I
don't know it. I also,um, we were talking about how his

(01:07:34):
dad is Christopher Lee. Christopher Leeplays a very prominent dentist, doctor Wilbur
Wonka dds Yes, and Willie ishis son. And he is not allowed
to have any candy because it'll ruhis teeth. H And he has this

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ridiculous head gear. He has aninsane amount of headgear that makes me think
of the head gear I had askid, which I legitimately had the the
headgear that hooked onto my teeth,but also I had a bar that went
from my forehead to my chin,which is basically what it's what he had.

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Almost almost there were a couple ofextra bars that he had. Yeah,
um that almost made him look likehe had a face mask. But
me, it was just that oneum vertical bar that went from my head
to portually I had this. Iwas on the cutting edge of science.

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I want everybody to know this.I was on the cutting edge of dental
science. I was on the news. Yeah, this is not I was
on the news. As far asUM being, there was a certain computer
program that dentists were being able touse, and it was is um.

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They were being able to see whatI what a patient looked like, and
then what a patient would look likein the future once their treatment was done.
And I had this huge headgear,and they were on the news showing

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what this new computer program looked likeas far as how I looked, which
like, which was a monster youjust have right? I had a huge
is this? I had a giantunderbyte I could not chew properly, and
then they were fixing it and theywere showing how I would look. And

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then my mom had like this talkinghead on the news. She had this
giant hair and she was wearing thisbig eighties blazer early nineties early nineties like
blazer with like a big like broochon like she looked fabulous and and anyway,

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so we were on the news,so I know what it's like to
have giant headgear. So so basicallyNatalie understands where Luwanka completely um. Also,
every time now I see a squirrel, I say squirrel, Diddy.
I want to squirrel because Verruca hasthis accent and she says diddy. And

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in the first one, we haveum geese that lay golden eggs in in
Charlie and the chocolate factory we havesquirrels that are testing nuts, which is
book accurate. Which is book accurate. So so she says, Diddy,
I want to squirrel um that wholething. The dad could have totally gotten

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to her if he wanted to.It was a gait that was like two
feet tall. I would have jumpedto that thing so fast if I was
trying to rescue my child from asquirrel attack. By the way, in
this one, Charlie, when heinevitably wins in the end, he uh
Willie Wonka says, no, You'vegot to leave your whole family and come

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to the chocolate factory. Yeah,this sort of, this sort of is
part of the for me, thebiggest difference between the two movies. And
I actually pointed out while we werewe watched the we watched the nineteen seventy
one version, and then we watchedthe cinemas ends of the seventy one version,
and then we watched the two thousandand five version. And while we
were like, while they're walking upto the gate at the beginning of the

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of the second movie, I wassaying Natalie, I was like, here's
the thing about this movie. Inthe first one, Uh, Willie Wonka
is like eccentric, but he's abut he's a good person, like he
like he he weird things happen inhis factory and there are people who like

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have for year has been like,now did Willy Wonka like plan to have
these kids come and to teach thema lesson? And then like he knew
that Charlie was the kid and likewas it very planned out? But there's
nothing in the movie that like explicitlydoes that that is like yes, one
hundred percent, he planned to hurtthese particular children and he wanted to hurt

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them in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, that's the impression you get from Willy
Wonka is that he's a broken personand that he wants to hurt some children
because when they come in, there'sthere's these moments where they're like Charlie goes,
mister Wonka, how did the upaolympas know to put Like he's like

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he's innocently asking, like how didthey come up with a song about a
guests gloop so fast? And he'slike, oh, improvisation, it's easy,
anyone can do it. But likebut then when they ask and like
later when he when they're in thenut room and the veruka has already fallen
down, and now the dad's gonnago down the bloas are going to sing

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a song about his daughter. Heopens the door and as the dad's walking
by, and he's like, yes, go down the stairs, like with
his eyes, like he wants hewants these things to happen, and he
planned for them. That's the bigdifference. Is like in the in Charlie
and the Chocolate Factory, Willy Wonkais nuts. He's crazy. Yeah,

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that's all I have. Okay,Which, by the way, a lot
of people have said Johnny Depp isa crazy person, and I really think
he probably is, But he playsa really good Willy Wonka. I think
I enjoy him as a Willy Wonka. Do you have the list? By
the way, we don't have todo it right now, but you have
the fullest of Like who else couldhave been Willy Wonka instead of instead of

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him? Not at the moment,I've got it in front of me when
you're ready for it. Okay.So at the very end, he says
you need to leave your family,and Charlie says a no, and then
they end up having a confrontation withWilly Wonka's dad and he realizes family really

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is important, and then his familyend up living in the exact same shack
with artificial snow falling on them inthe chocolate room. In the chocolate room.
Yeah, they're in the chocolate room, living in the same shack with
artificial snow falling on them. BecauseI mean, I guess they're happy the

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end. I mean, you saidJim Carrey could have made me played So
you mentioned before that that the thatRoald Dall didn't want another movie adaptation he
made, And it wasn't until afterhe died that his estate started working with
Warner Brothers to say, Okay,maybe there's a way that this can work.
Several directors before Tim Burton were consideredall and this was It was in

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development basically all through the nineties andwent through several directors and several leading people.
Um. One of the directors whocould have directed Charlie and the Chocolate
Factory, Martin Scorsese. UM feelslike it would have been a very serious,
very a lot more, a lotmore dark. I would have think.
I would have thought these actors couldhave been Willy Wonka, Bill Murray,

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m too silly. Nicholas Cage,Oh yikes, don't Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey I think would have donea very good job. There's actually lines
in this one that sound like linesthat were written for Jim Carrey. Yeah,
I think I think he would havedone well. Michael Keaton could have
been could have been him, Ican see that. I guess. Here's

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the three wildest ones from ready BradPitt. Oh well, oh okay,
I'm thinking of all the different roleshe's played. This would have been,
by the way, like in developmentin the nineties. This would have been
like fight Club Brad Pitt, right, you know, not thank you for
smoking, Brad Pitt. I thinkthis would have been okay for him,

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okay, Um, Will Smith okay. And the wildest one of all Adam
Sandler, No too silly, toosilly, like Bill Murray. I think
Bill Murray and Adam Sidley Sandler silly. And then the next line in the
Wikipedia article for this is like andactually several others were just were considered,

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but those are like the big ones, um and the sooner. Apparently the
moment Tim Burton was brought on,they're like, all right, and here's
here's where we are with the script, and here's where we are with like
with like the music, and here'swhere we are with with like who we're
thinking maybe and he's like, no, Johnny Depp and Danny Elfman's doing the
music. Let's do this, Likehe just turned into Tim Burton movie.
I mean Tim Burton, like Isaid, is Johnny Depp and Helena Bottom

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Carter will be in his movies andDanny Elfhan will write the score. Right
yeah, um so anyway, that'sand that's Charlie. One other thing I
wanted to say because I said thiswhile we were watching it, and it
turns out to have not been fairbecause at the very beginning, there's like
an intricate opening scene of like animatedchocolate factory stuff happening, Like, man,

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I forgot this movie has a bunchof really bad, like CG effects
in it, and I was wrong. Like, as we're watching, I
was like, Okay, there's notas much as I remember. And it
turns out that the majority of theenvironments in this movie are practical environments because
it was Tim Burton. Because TimBurton doesn't do a lot of digital effects.
He does a lot of brightly coloredreal sets, right, which I

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just forgot about and so when whenit came time, Like, there are
definitely CG elements in this movie,like especially the riding down the Chocolate River
is obviously a very CG. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, but
most of the most apparently most ofthe environments in this movie are practical environments,
which I think is cool. Um, the whole point of these two

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movies is that kids are the worst, and that's why we decided to just
have one. Yeah, this isYeah, if there's one takeaway movies,
I'm just yeah, I guess kidsare the worst. And and like you're

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thinking about it now, wish therewas Yeah, I mean honesty and try
integrity, yeah, blah blah blahblah blah, and don't don't spend your
whole life in families and blah blahblah blah blah. Kids are the worst.
Don't don't spend, don't don't likeend up in bed with your child.

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Oh, that was something else Iwanted to talk about. I don't
care that we're that this is along episode. I'm gonna go back and
talk about how old the grandparents are. Oh, right, now, it's
possible that what we ended up thinking. Maybe true. But there's a line
at the beginning because they're so Charlie, okay, they make they make a
um. There's a statement that's madefirst of all, like they chose the

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oldest looking people to be the grandparentsin both movies. Yes, um,
although Grandpa Joe doesn't look that oldreally like he has it. I mean
he looks old, but but likethe grandpa and and Charlie looks much older.
He's a very wrinkly man. He'she's an adorable old man, but
like very very wrinkly. And there'sa scene where like Charlie gets his his

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birthday present. It's the saddest thingever, gets a candy bar and like
that's He's like, that's he knowsthat's his birthday present. That's always going
to get um. And they're likeopen it. Let's see if you got
the ticket. And he's like,well hang on to the second I want
to. He's like, I don'tknow, pretty, and and the Grandpa

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Joe says, Charlie, together,we're three hundred eighty one years old.
We're not good at waiting. AndI went, wait a second, how
old is that? And so Nataliedid the math, and that makes them
all about ninety five and a quartereach. Um. But then I said,
maybe he's including the other people inthe room. Maybe he's including mom

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and dad as well, maybe evenmom and dad and Charlie. But if
he's not, it seems like he'stalking about the grandparents because he's sitting with
the grandparents while he's doing the opening. I was like, Man, if
he's ninety five, then I wasthinking, like how old that would have
to make all the other characters,because Helen, the bottom carter in this
movie is not doesn't she's very young? Yeah, like she's very youthful,

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and the and the father doesn't appearto be very old, and Charlie is
only like supposed to be you know, ten um, and so yeah,
it just it made me think abouthow old these people are supposed to be
in these movies and how out ofwhack that would be, and how whack

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that would be. Okay, that'sa word I use. No, it's
not. I've never heard you usethe word. It's it's it's WICKEDI whack.
Um. Do you have anything elseabout Charlie or Willie. I'm so
done with this topic. They're veryfun movies. I feel like there are

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movies that don't get watched regularly,right, and that just makes sense.
And these are the and the reasonwe're talking about them is because these are
movies we watched as kids. Yeah, um, I mean Charlie not so
much. I watched Charlie more whenI was an adult, but Willy Wonka

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I watched as a kid. Wedidn't talk about the secret third chapter of
Willie Wonka and Chocolate Factory, whichis the version that that Cora knows yes,
which when it started, Cora waslike, I've seen this movie.
She's like, I know the song. She heard the she was hearing the
I've Got a Golden Ticket song playing, and like as its opening, she's
like, I know that song andwe're like, we don't think we've seen

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it. I was like, oh, you know what, I remember.
There's a cartoon version with Tom andJerry where they where they do like just
the highlights and sing all the songs, and I was like yeah. I
was like, so yeah, Iwas at Corey, if you watch this
movie with us, you'll probably recognizeall the music in it. And she
watched a good part a good portionof that first movie with us. Yeah,

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and that's all we have to sayabout William Charlie. There's a Tom
and Jerry version out there too.Okay, thank you for joining us again
for an episode of Not Suitable forAdults. Um, We're gonna keep trying
to keep these episodes coming out regularly. Again, as we get hopefully into
a swing of things, do alittle are working ahead for you. We

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appreciate as always Shad Worrel for creatingour awesome theme music and you can find
more from him at SoundCloud dot comslash Shad dash Worrel And there's a link
in the show notes for that.And it doesn't matter which version of Willy
Wonka you enjoy, you can goliterally to HBO Max and watch either one

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because they're both right there, becausethey're all my Warner brothers. Just no
matter, Like, while you're lookingthere and you're time to side, don't
let anyone tell you what to dobecause just you're the boss. So watch
whatever you want. Okay, money