Decoding Praying for Armageddon: Evangelical Power, Prophecy, and the Politics of the End Times

In the third installment of our deep dive into the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), I’m breaking down the intense and unsettling documentary Praying for Armageddon. This isn’t just about fringe beliefs. It’s about how evangelical apocalyptic theology is actively influencing U.S. foreign policy, especially when it comes to Israel.




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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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(00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the Envious Alien Podcast. This is
the third installment of this series that we're doing on
the nar.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
We are talking mostly about a documentary that I discovered
called Praying for Armageddon.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'll put a link in the show notes so that
if you want to watch it and scramble your brain
feel free. But it is a doozy. I'm not gonna lie.
What did you think of it?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I sent you a message after I watched it out
of fear and concern for where our society and our
world is headed.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Give us synopsis. It's two parts of forty five minutes.
What it's about, Because Holy baby Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I found this documentary because I randomly put on Glenn
Greenwald's News to just listen to his show to see
what's going on from his perspective, and I think it
was last week. He had lefong On to fill in

(01:43):
for him, and he's a reporter for The Intercept and
he wanted to discuss the Israeli Palestinian conflicts. Apparently in
twenty twenty three he leased a documentary that he worked

(02:03):
on with a Norwegian documentary team to create this documentary,
and he was discussing how they were having issues getting
US distributors to distribute the film. There were a few
private theaters that would show it, but they couldn't get

(02:24):
any traction. So essentially it was banned from being showed
in North America unless you happen to go to one
of the special showings. Heather found it on Al Jazeera.
They have both parts linked and it's very enlightening on

(02:49):
what some people are believing, and it puts light on
why we're seeing what we're seeing with the American backing
of Israel, among other things. It's mostly about the evangelical
Christian influence on the US foreign policy.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
And how they need Israel because it's part of the apocalypse.
It's like one of the signs that Jesus is coming back.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
But see they only touch the surface of that in
the documentary.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Oh great, this is why we're going after the Gaza
strip because it has to be one of the signs
of the what is it called the coming of Christ.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
The end Times, the Second Coming, the Apocalypse, the raptures.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's almost like instead of just waiting for it to happen,
or waiting for Jesus or God or however to do
it on their own time, it's like the whole premise
of the documentary is we have to be warriors for
Christ and do it ourselves. Apparently we're waging a war.
I'll have motorcycles and swords of Christ.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, a biker gang that are nights for Jesus. Right
when I was watching it, I had message you. First off,
it's starting in Oklahoma City, which we have behind the scenes,
had a lot of discussion about Oklahoma and how everything
seems to be culminating. It's like a melting pot of

(04:25):
all of these theories going out. Then the next interview
is with Frank Schaeffer. Yeah, I thought that it is okay,
call back to our other podcasts that we have done.
We discussed Frank Schaeffer as well as Francis Schaeffer. We
are picking up on another thread that is connecting with

(04:48):
everything else that we've discussed for the last five years.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Frank Schaeffer is the sun correct. It's interesting to me
that he has left the I want to say called
the movement I guess is what it's actually is. He's
no longer a part of it, even though he was
single handedly responsible for some of the pro live shit
that's out there and that people still believe in. The

(05:18):
very person who made the videos that are now part
of the permaculture, it is the person that wants nothing
to do with it, and that spoke volumes to me.
But the other part that really fascinated me was like
he's talking about how when he goes to the bathroom
he's looking at the color of the toilet water to
make sure that it didn't turn red because that was

(05:39):
a sign of the apocalypse.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think from that point he segues into the Friends
of Israel and the preaching of Pastor Hagey with the
Cornerstone Church in San Antonio and his discussion sermon out
the becoming apocalypse.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Hagey is I think he's the chairman or he's like
the face of the Friends of Israel group, because there
was a lot of emphasis in this documentary about the
Friends of Israel and these megachurches in Texas and their
influence on shaping the support and policy that's going forward.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Coincidentally, I am acquainted with an elderly couple. I say elderly.
They may not appreciate that, but they're older that follow
Pastor Hagey. They actually lived in San Antonio for a
time and attended his megachurch. They happened to have several

(06:50):
books that were distributed by the Friends of Israel, and
they so graciously allow me to borrow some of their books.
Over the last week, I have been reading some of
those books. I have not gotten all the way through
all of them, but I have read to by Renal Showers.

(07:15):
One is called What on Earth Is God Doing? Satan's
Conflict with God and the Coming Apocalypse, a study of
replacement theology versus God's faithfulness and the end Times. It
really gave me a lot of background on where this

(07:37):
is coming from and why they think that we need
to support Israel.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Okay, do you tell First.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Off, I want to make a distinction here because makes
it in the book The Seven Mountains movement from what
we've been discussing is more of about humans and people stepping
in to create heaven on earth and bringing in this

(08:10):
new world. It's human's effort. So from their perspective, which
is a fundamental Christian, from like the Friends of Israel,
it's more fundamentalist, where they would say that the Seven
Mountains movement would be more of like a replacement theology,

(08:30):
which means that those would be the Christians that believe
that God is through with the Jews and the Church
is now the platform that God is working through, so
therefore the Church must take over to establish the kingdom.

(08:52):
According to Friends of Israel and fundamentalists, that is not
the case at all. God has made covenants with the
Jews because they are his chosen people and He loves them,
and so his glory is going to come through Israel

(09:14):
and the Jews. And in order for our salvation as gentiles,
we must support Israel, because if we do not support Israel,
then if Israel fills God has not kept his word.

(09:38):
Therefore we will not be saved. Salvation will not happen.
Israel must survive in order for the end times to happen,
so that Jesus will return to rule the world for

(09:58):
God as at the odeocracy. Then we will live eternally
with Jesus in God's theocracy, because when that happens, all
of the bad, horrible things that have happened because of
Satan and his fall from grace will be resolved and

(10:21):
we will be able to live in peace and harmony
and eternal life and love.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
But at this same time, we're like overlooking that there
were actually people of Palestine living there that are getting
ethnically cleansed for this plan to happen.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Because God's plan for the Redeemer is more important than nations,
and it's more important than those what worre did he
use who you can here? It is the coming of

(11:02):
the Redeemer is more essential and beneficial to humankind than
the existence of quote depraved people's or nations.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I guess this is where I always have a problem
with this. Who's deciding what is depraved or who is depraved?
Why do a bunch of white people on the other
side of the world get to decide that this is
like entitlement one oh one. If you talk to other people,
they're not going to tell you that they're the depraved ones.
It's so subjective who gets to decide who is not

(11:36):
clean and who is because if you talk to the
Palestines who are largely Christian or Muslim, they're going to
tell you that they worship the same God.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
What on Earth is God doing? Book is a retelling
of biblical history up until the current history and explaining
how God and Satan have fought it out through time,
and how Satan has used other people or turned them

(12:12):
to his side for his own purposes to have his
own kingdom and destroy God. And then God has used
those same people against Satan. That book, the Torment on
the people of Israel is because Satan influenced them, so

(12:37):
God had to punish them because they had turned away
from God. But then at other times, Israel is God's
love in God's glory, and those against Israel have been
influenced by Satan. It was a little confusing to me

(12:57):
to keep it all straight of when Satan was doing
the bidding and when God was doing the bidding, when
they were essentially doing the same thing. But it gives
this idea that God is this king and ruler and
we are the minions, and we are just little ponds
in his game to prove to Satan that he is

(13:20):
the most powerful and there's nothing that Satan can do
to beat him. We're just thrown in the middle of
it and up to the will of whoever is playing
with us.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
We have to be warriors of Christ to prove that
we are on the right side.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Apparently right because the Jews do not recognize Jesus as
the Messiah. Therefore they have been in on God's bad
side because they have not recognized that Jesus came as
the redeemer.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Everything else is large are the same, but you have.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
To recognize Jesus as the Savior and Redeemer in order
to be saved, to get to heaven, and to live
this eternally peaceful life. You have to do that, and
that won't happen until the Jews have recognized Jesus as

(14:25):
their savior. That's what the end times is. It's when
Israel is re established in Jerusalem, the whole world turns
against Israel. There's the raise of the Antichrist, which then
causes lots of hell on earth. So then when everybody

(14:48):
turns on Israel and they realize they have nobody to
help them, they will turn to God and recognize that
Jesus was the Messiah and they will be redeemed. Therefore,
Jesus can come and destroy the anti Christ and establish
God's kingdom on earth. But as imperative that Israel survives

(15:11):
so that they can be redeemed and we can have
the New world. Yeah, but their version of the New
World order is a theocracy with Jesus ruling the world
from Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
And it has to be Jerusalem.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yes, because that is God's city, and they explicitly say
in the Bible God calls it my city, my land
that he has promised eternally to the Jews to be
their land. That's the problem with the Palestinians being there,

(15:57):
is because it was promised eternally to the Jews and
it belongs to them, so they must have it. The
rapture comes, and that's when Jesus takes the true believers,
and I think resurrects those that have died that were
true believers. I think he resurrects them too, and then

(16:18):
he takes them all from the earth. And then after
that is when the Antichrist comes and the Jews honor Jesus,
and that's called the tribulation. Tribulation happens, and the anti
Christ and the Second Coming or Jesus comes back, and

(16:40):
then that's when he puts Satan into fiery hell for
a thousand years. We have heaven on earth for a
thousand years. Then something happens. Satan is released and he
tries something and then go no, I'm done destroy you,

(17:02):
and then that's the end of Satan. But he waits
all of that time before he just destroys Satan because
if he were to destroy Satan right after the falling
of Man, then somebody else would have just stepped up
and taken his place. So by letting this play out

(17:24):
for however long it takes for God's divine plan, it
allows Satan to use any method he can think of
to try to overthrow God. But once he's done all
of that and there's nothing else to try, then that's
when God will prove himself as the most divine being

(17:45):
and slay Satan again.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I say, why are we pushing the agenda? If you
really believe in God's plan, and you really have faith
that God's plan is going to happen, then why do
we need to be warriors for Christ? Because apparently God
has it under control. He's already told you the plan.
The plan is, I'm going to come when I come,
and then a thousand years I'm going to get rid
of Satan. The whole point of getting saved is so

(18:11):
that he's in your heart. And once he's in your
heart and he's burrowed in there, then that's how you
get to go to heaven. As long as you're praying
and you have Jesus in your heart, you're showing we
don't have to do anything else, because even if Satan
is on the planet doing his satany thing, it doesn't matter.

(18:32):
God is going to figure it out anyway. So why
are we spiritually bypassing God's plan?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
If God has promised to Israel that they will always exist,
there will always be people of Israel, then why do
we need friends of Israel to support them and ensure
their survival.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Exactly? All you have to do is wait for it
to happen.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
And act as a good Christian by the rules that
you have been given to follow.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
They do talk about Trump in this documentary as to
why he was chosen, and it's because he changed something
in Israel on Jubilee and I was still trying to
figure out what he did.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
He made Jerusalem the capital again?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Can he do that?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
He did? Or he recognized Jerusalem as a capital?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay, but does he have the jurisdiction to do that.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
No, I don't think he does.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Is that like the Gulf of America. It's like cool,
it's great in theory, but it's not actually a thing.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I think so. I think it was just a declaration
that the United States will recognize Jerusalem as the capital
of Israel.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Got it okay, because I was trying to figure out
like how that works and why that was such a
big thing. But in the context of this greater plan,
I guess it does make sense as to why that
would be important.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
He's also taken their areas from Palestine and given it
to Israel or helped negotiate that. And then he also
established military presence in Israel, which hadn't happened until he
took office the first time. Great and Marion Needleson has
tons of money flowing into his pocket, so he's going

(20:20):
to do whatever the Israelis want.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
So he's literally just a pond for them to get
things in motion. Right, nobody actually cares about Trump. What
they care about is that he's willing to do the
things that nobody else is willing to do as long
as they pay him.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
And nobody else is objecting to it, because everybody in
Washington is getting paid by some sort of Israeli money.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I think what astounded me though, is they were talking
to one of the officials from Tennessee. Maybe he was
a congressman, but he's just a congressman. He was talking
about the plan and how he believes wholeheartedly in this
plan and in the Bible and in the coming of Christ,

(21:09):
and he was going to do everything in his power
to make sure that the United States aligned with that agenda.
And then they had Lauren Brobart and she was talking
about what's important to her is Jesus and Israel in America.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
That's right, yeah, because some of the Zionist movement believe
that it's Israel and America.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
And it totally surprised me at how straight face they were.
There is some conviction there that you can't fake, just
the way that they were talking about it and just
the way they were answering the questions. They don't believe
in a lot of the bullshit, and they manipulate and
play sides because they're politicians. However, when it came to this,

(21:58):
there was that conviction. There was that like, yes, this
is a thing that we truly can get behind. It
puts the Project twenty five and all the things that
are happening now into context because they truly believe that
they are doing the Lord's work through this stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes, and they have to prevent Satan from preventing Israel
from existing, because that is Satan's main goal is to
ensure that Israel never recognizes Jesus as the Messiah.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, and it's a little scary that there are people
in higher power or higher places that this is their
agenda because we're all the depraved ones that are in
the way. If we don't believe in.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
It, we have been influenced by Satan. So therefore we
either must receive the Great News or perish.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
And that always cheers me out because it seems like
the people that are depraved are the people that are
like on SNAP or have Medicare or have Medicaid, or
want Social Security that they've already paid into. It seems
like anybody that is in need are depraved, or anybody

(23:17):
who is not Republican and who's not part of this movement.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
What on earth is God doing? Book? It attacks the
Church and has a huge history about how the Church
as an establishment was taken over by Satan. And so
that's when they have changed, at least from the fundamentalist

(23:47):
view to interpreting the Bible in different ways, trying to
incorporate the Pagans into the religion and bringing in pagan aspects.
All of that, to them is influenced by Satan. And
the only true way to believe is through the fundamentalist
way of interpreting the Bible as it was written grammatically,

(24:12):
the interpretation from the time. Everything else Satan's work, and
all of those people also need to be saved and
turned to the right way of thinking.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Somebody in the documentary was talking about the mountain that
he was trying to conquer.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I think he's an ex NBA player that is now
having Bible study in Washington, d C. For several congressmen,
so he's helping them to see the way to God.
And he even mentioned that his mountain is government. But

(24:56):
he is definitely part of the Seven Mountains movement because
he is is referencing those mountains. That's why I wanted
to a separate these two movements because they are the
same and they're working on the same goal, but they
have different views. Whereas the fundamentalists, they are still rejecting
what the Seven Mountains Mandate is doing because they see

(25:19):
that as not necessarily God's work. That is humans and
the replacement theology trying to take control and establish the
kingdom through people instead of through God and Jesus, even
though they both are working for the second coming of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
So you were saying that they're two different movements, but
they do intersect. Correct.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
They have the same end goal, but one is trying
to do it through a movement of people to establish
a kingdom on earth, whereas the other is waiting for
God's will, but they're influencing the government to keep Israel safe.

(26:08):
The Seven Mountains Mandate is focusing more on the human
presence and the way that we interact and our expression
as a Christian nation in order to bring in Jesus,
whereas the Friends of Israel are working to keep Israel

(26:34):
safe and establish that nation which allows Jesus to return
to create Heaven on Earth. It's the same endgame that
they're going about it two different ways, and fundamentalists would
say the Seven Mountains are they're working from the wrong mindset,

(26:56):
the wrong theology, because they're not looking at it from
a fundamentalist Let's help the Jews, or let's help Israel.
They're looking at it as we are Christians, so we
must establish the Christian state for Jesus.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Are the Naar people friends with the fundamentalist people.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
I think they're friends and they get along because in
one of the videos on YouTube I was watching, one
of the pastors that was speaking was saying, my friend
or my colleague believes this, but I think that's wrong.
They're not interpreting the Bible correctly. So they all get
along because they're Christians, but they're interpreting the Bible differently.

(27:43):
I guess that's where the conflict is. But I think
they all recognize that they're Christians and they've been saved
by Jesus. It's just it's in the context of the
Bible and what it means.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
And Jesus is coming and that's all that matters.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Correct There isn't in time. Jesus is coming and he
will save us for eternity, and I think that's all
that matters. He will save the world pretty much.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I don't know, man, I don't know if I want
to be saved in that way, if I have to
deal with all these fucking people. This movement just seems
so wackado. They're so far out there that me who
thinks that maybe the cheaper cobra exists, can't even fathom.
It makes paganism and witchcraft look really tame in comparison.

(28:41):
It's like, we're over here chilling using the energy of
the earth and the power of intention, while they're praying
to their alien gods.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
What concerns me? And when I had message you after
I watched this is in the documentary, he that the
Evangelical Christians the Friends of Israel. This group is like
twenty four percent of the voter population in America. So

(29:17):
if you have twenty percent of the voter population believing
this way and you see what Trump is doing, obviously
they're going to get behind Trump and support him. So
that's where a lot of his voter base came from.
Then you throw in Kennedy and all of the middle people,
and boom, you win an election. Whether that was rigged

(29:38):
or not, Like even without that, you've got it.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
They since the deal with the regree because Trump said
again a couple days ago, and we rigged the election.
And here I am like, he literally said it all
loud again, and I'm like, how many times does this
motherfucker have to say it. He's very good at telling
you what he's going to do or what he has done.

(30:02):
He has no shame. I can see how it doesn't
matter that he's a convicted fella, and it doesn't matter
that he's a rapist. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Because he's restoring Israel.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
He's making the thing happen. He's doing the Lord's work,
So who gives a fuck who he is at this point.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
So my concern with that is when we look at
it from a fundamentalist perspective, when you have Jesus coming
from the sky and coming down to take all of
the believers from the earth before tribulation begins. If all

(30:43):
of those believer are the evangelical Christians, is twenty five
percent of America, probably more around the world. Let's just
stick with twenty five percent of the world. All you
have to do is rig some Jesus coming down from
the heavens. They're going to believe what they see. How

(31:03):
easy is it to make some Jim Jones kool aid
concoction or lead them into the guillotine for their rapture,
then you've also solved part of your population crisis. So
if you're an Malthusian believer and believe that the world

(31:24):
is reaching its capacity and you have to depopulate the world,
well you're going to let it go on because that's
going to help you. There's not a lot of objection
coming out from the other side that doesn't believe in
this either, because I think they're using it to their
own advantage and their own beliefs as well.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
I'm looking at Project Blue beeing because it just what
you said is pretty much what it is. Here's what
Wikipedia says about it. Project Bluebeam paus its a plot
to facilitate a totalitarian world government by destroying Abrahamic religions
and replace them with a new age belief system, using

(32:05):
futuristic Nastak technology and involving a faked alienation or fake
extrestrial counter meant to deceive nations into uniting into a
new world government. But I think they could use that
and switch it and not destroy the Abrahamic religions and
destroy all other religions. It's there. The idea is already there.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Really, they're playing both ways. So they could destroy the
Abrahamic religions and go with this the theosophical idea, or
they could go with the fundamentalists and restore Israel. Either
one works.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I just wonder how this came up in the world
of consciousness. This dude, surge Monast is the person that
talks about it the most. But I just wonder how
he came upon it, because there had to have been
something that brought it up, or something that he read

(33:10):
or something that he put together. It doesn't say much
about it. He was a Mason, though, so that's good.
But okay, So luis Ela Zondo he always talks about
like how the UAPs are a threat. He always uses
a threat to national security. That's his dagline for everything,

(33:31):
which I can't freaking stand because I'm like, you sound
like you're trying to create Project Bluebem. What are you
doing here? But I truly believe that he believes what
he's saying, like he doesn't realize he's a misinformation campaigner.
That's my thought process on it, and nobody's going to

(33:52):
sway that. But I just wonder if there are people
like that that are throwing that information out there so
that when it does happen, this Project Bluebeam national Security
thing happens, we've already been crimed for it. That could
be why it's largely the Republican Party, largely these people

(34:14):
that are into this movement that are so gung ho
about disclosure.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
But I think it's more than just the American government.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
You think everybody's in on it.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
I don't think everyone is in on it, but I
think probably the Western powers. And there's a reason that
we've made enemies with who we have is because they
are the ones that aren't in line with that agenda.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
That does make sense.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
And a lot of those powers that we have put
as the enemies are also biblical enemies and the end
of times, and they are the ones that are coming
to attack Israel.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Ah. Isn't that convenient. It's a little scary too, because
a lot of the American people are like, what the
hell is happening right now? Why are we doing this?
And nobody's saying the thing out loud because if they
say the thing out loud, it's gonna sound really fricking
creepy and weird and scary, and people don't want church

(35:24):
and state being mixed. And this is definitely a conflict
of interest.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Except for twenty five percent that do.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Twenty five percent is a small margin though if you
really think about it.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
But it doesn't take much. What's the they saying about
like the revolution? It takes a very small percent started revolution.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, it just doesn't take very much at all, like
one percent, two percent. If people don't know what's really
going on, then they can't find the thing that is happening.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
And I'm wondering if the salew of executive orders that
came out and this chaos that's going on is a
slide of hand because of that.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
That makes sense, so they can do the real thing
that they're doing, which is their agenda.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Because they're shutting down all these programs. Everybody's afraid for
their jobs. Trump he's bragging about all of the wasteful
spending that he's cutting, but they just sent billions more
to Israel and they're not even looking at the Department
of Defense. They're not even touching that. Really.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Elon tried, Oh did he rich rumored that Elon tried,
and they said fuck right off with.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
See they're not gonna let it.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, No, they're like, try me. He said he was
going after the Pentagon, and then all of a sudden
he did it. They're gonna tell you, we'll wipe you
off the planet. If we could do it to JFK,
we could do it to you. Bye.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
And then all of a sudden he started walking around
with his human shield, so his little son that he
carries around that he fully admitted was because he doesn't
want to get assassinated.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
They're not going to touch the Department of Defense. They're
going to keep all that money for whatever the hell
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah. I think a lot of this is keep people
busy with their loss of rights so that we can
do this other thing over here on the side and
keep plugging away at that war against Christianity that's not
really a thing. And what do you think people would
say if they really figured out that this is what's

(37:35):
going on, if the general population actually believed it, Because
I think what happens is things like this, even though
we're talking about it, and even though there's documentaries on it,
even though we've got three or four podcasts where we're
actually doing work, looking for articles and looking for evidence
of it. It's still going to be under the umbrella

(37:58):
of air quotes, conspiracy theory, fake news, blew a on
all that. But what do you think people would say
it if it really came into the consciousness that this
is happening.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
I would say they would get angry. But then that
throws up flags for revolution, and I see how there
has been preparation for that as well, and how they
can take advantage of a revolution and take control. So
I think the psyops have done their job. This plan

(38:36):
has been in place for a while, playing both sides
and preparing to achieve their agenda, whatever that is, for
a very long time.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I don't know if it was in this documentary. Is
something that I was watching prior? Oh it wasn't. It
was in the IF Gave files. Okay, before I watched
this video of the documentary, I was watching somebody talking
about what was in the last batch of the JFK
files that was dumped just recently, and it pertains to this,

(39:09):
and I was gonna ask you if JFK is on
the board on the murder board, because we've got theosophy,
And then I was talking about Charles Manson and you're like, Oh,
he's on the board. I'm wondering if JFK is too.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yes, he is on the manson board.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, Okay. One of the things that was leaked was
a document about how the CIAA wanted to create some
kind of emergency quotes on American soil and blame it
on Cuba so that we could start a war. And

(39:49):
I could totally see something like that happening, so that
we could start a war with Canada, even China, like
having a bomb from China end up on the floor
to coast or something, or their.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Air balloons that have flown over.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah. Now, in the JFK files, it says that they
didn't do it, that they decided against it because something
happened and I forgot what it was. But Cuba was
no longer a threat anymore, so it righted itself. However,
that doesn't mean that it's still not in the playbook,
you know what I mean. I could totally see something

(40:27):
like that happen, creating a national emergency to stop the
revolution and to get everybody on board. Americans are very patriotic,
and we tend to like to go after the one enemy.
The other thing that I've been thinking about too, is
the idea of an assassination, because that's also in the

(40:49):
consciousness right now because once Trump gets done with what
they need him to do, we just take him out.
I don't know. And that goes back to Manson because
there's this whole book about Manson and the CIA again
about how Manson could have been. He could have been

(41:10):
a project. He could have been an experiment to see
if you could create an assassin and douse somebody with
a bunch of LSD and give them a dogma and
then have them take out the people that you need
taken out on a grassroots level so you don't actually

(41:31):
have to do the work. I often wonder if Luigi
was something like that and it backfired because people were like, yes,
instead of what was supposed to happen, which is we're
all supposed to band together. Was he an experiment that
went the wrong way? Was he indoctrinated and they're testing

(41:52):
the waters to see how people react and is he
a sy of basically, because sometimes it feels that way.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
He was one that shot the UHD guy, right, Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
He's somebody who came from privilege. He's a white kid
in privilege, and that most people in the United States
would be like, we don't want to support somebody like that,
because why is an entitled person shooting somebody? But it
got fired and people were like, oh, okay, so he's
the joker. Now cool. I'm on board with this revolution.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Because of all the shit that insurance companies have done
to people.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
But it did have that feeling of oops, now, how
do we take him out? Let's make him the poster
boy for what not to do. But again, this is
all conjecture. I'm tinfoiler hatting right now. But the government
has known to do bullshit things like this in the past,
and everybody always says, oh, those kinds of programs aren't

(42:56):
around anymore, they don't do that kind of stuff anymore.
And I'm like, no, I don't do it out and
open anymore. But I don't think any of these programs
ever really ended. They just change their names.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
They're just morphed into different areas. They're just using the
lessons in a different way.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
We're just calling it something else. What is real and
what isn't. It's really hard to tell these days, and
I think that's my design.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yes, it's definitely because if you're confused and you don't
know what's going on, You're going to look to somebody
to tell you what is true.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Being okay with whatever Trump does because it's for the
greater good and it's for God.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
It goes beyond that because the Promised Kingdom, when Jesus
comes back to rule, he will take away all the sin.
That means no disease, no pain, no suffering, no death.
Everything that people fear and they want to run away

(43:57):
from is being promised to them. I guess it amplifies
the belief in it because they want it to be true,
because they're tired of the suffering. They're tired of this
shit world that we live in, and they want it
to be different. So let's just spiritually bypass and believe

(44:18):
in somebody saving us and we don't have to worry
about it.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, see, you I have a problem with that. Did
you know that another big church in Texas pastor just
got arrested for sexual abuse? Thin could happened yesterday or today?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Former Texas megachurch.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Pastor, Yeah, what's his name?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Robert Preston Morris. Robert Morris, founder of Gateway Church, has
been indicted on five counts of fluid or indecent acts
with a child. According to Oklahoma officials. Cindy Klimshire accused
Morris of molesting her starting in nineteen eighty two, which
led to his indictment. Gateway Cherch confirm the allegations and

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stated they are grateful for the justice system's work in
holding abusers accountable. Sydney Climshire express hope for justice after
forty three years, stating the law was finally caught up
with Morris for his actions against her.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, these are the people that God is using to
start his end of times. Come on.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
As he referred to it as a cult. Frank Schaeffer
also referred to them as a cult. But it's just
like all of the other cults that we have talked
about and we've explored. They're using the same sort of rhetoric,
right because instead of saying it's your fault that this happened,

(45:50):
it's the sinner in you. It's the satan in you
that has caused this to happen.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
So the double got to this guy? Is that?

Speaker 3 (45:59):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Then?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
That's what I'm I'm thinking. The devil is the one
that made him do it. It wasn't him.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
The devil seems to get a lot of these guys though,
because tons of the people that are in this movement
keep getting hit for sex abuse, belslament drinking, spousal abuse,
their reaking havoc on everybody around them, And yet these
are supposed to be the godly people that are going

(46:31):
to take us into the end of times? Are we
not emulating God? Are we not using those ten commandments?
What did that guy say, peg.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Gee, oh about the Bible basic information before leaving Earth? Yeah,
that's what the Bible stands for.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
But apparently none of them read it.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Oh they do. They read Genesis, and they read Revelations,
and they read all of the prophets because they're really
big into the prophecies and all of the parts where
God has made covenance with Israel.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Okay, but what about the other parts in the Bible.
It's okay to kill your firstborn. Maybe I'm looking at
it the wrong way. Maybe there is a free pass
on that, because you can have as many wives as
you want and do lots of other things.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
And sometimes God kills people himself to teach them a lesson,
or will allow things to help happen to teach them
a lesson.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Like the whole job situation. Let's give you a pesky
to disease because I have a bet with Satan. Let's
take your family away because we want to see how
much suffering you can take before you rebuke God.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
That's pretty much what they believe about Israel too, ah,
because they have to get to the point where the
whole world turns against them before they finally will turn
to God and accept Jesus.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
That's convenient.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah, And all of the torture and torment and persecution
that they've received, even though they are God's glory and
he loves them, and they are going to show the
world in Satan that He is superior and prove himself

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is through them, but they must be punished until they
accept Jesus.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Yeah, So the whole God story, the idea of God
that is put forth by this fundamentalist group, and I'm
sure there's more that this is the one I have
reference to. It's this ruler that rules over and says,

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I love you, you are the best, You are my
chosen people. Now you must obey me and do exactly
what I tell you to, because if you don't, you
will be punished you must serve me, and I will
rule as your kingdom, as your king, and will promise

(49:16):
you all of these things because I keep my word.
It's very like manipulative and gaslighting.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, when has God and or Jesus ever kept their word.
We always have caveats, We always have my bad we
always have.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Oh that was just Satan doing that.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah, we always have an excuse of what things don't happen.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
God allowed that to happen because he's letting Satan have
his way so he can come back later and prove
to Satan. There's a lot of proving too. It's all
about God proving himself and showing his glory. Like the

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reason that we have free will, according to them, is
because God wanted worshipers. He wanted somebody to glorify him,
but if they didn't have free will, then he didn't
know if they really meant it. So people had to
have free will so that they could choose to love

(50:23):
and glorify God themselves, so then he could feel superior
and loved and feel their love back.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
That is so narcissistic and gas lighting.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I know I was rean.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
I'm like, what, I don't understand that, do you not
see the mentality that you're perpetuating from two thousand years
ago that doesn't need to happen.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
It's also conditioning people to accept abuse and to love
unconditionally no matter what the circumstances, and to trust with
blind faith that this might be bad for me now,
but there has to be a reason for it, because

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God put it on my path.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Believe by faith alone.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, except when it comes to God's plan, We've got
to force that one. We got to be warriors and
force that into being. So where's the faith again? I
said at the beginning, where's the faith here? Because we're
supposed to accept whatever God puts out there for us.

(51:38):
We're supposed to we're supposed to be okay with suffering
and abuse because those are things that God want us
to go through. And God wouldn't have put that horrible
person in front of me if it wasn't supposed to
be there. But at the same time, we need to
be warriors for Christ to prove that we love him,
and we need to force the agenda of the end

(52:01):
of time so that He can come forward and defeat Satan.
But God can defeat Satan anytime. He's just given him
some times you're on earth.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Right, he's just allowing him to play and attempt to
overthrow God. So he's allowing all of us to suffer
in the middle of this play between the two of them,
just so in the end he could kill Satan and
prove that he is the most time.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Apparently, we're just giving Satan a false sense of security,
right from what I remember from Bible school, wasn't the
earth the devil's domain?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It is now because he convinced Adam to follow him. Right,
there was the fall from grace, so the original sin
because of that. We are all punished because of that
original sin. So now we are all part of Satan's
domain until we turn to Jesus and accept him in

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our heart and are saved.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
That's a lot that's really hard to keep up with.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I know, I still don't get it. I didn't learn
about being saved until probably middle school. I had no
clue what people were talking about when they were talking
about being saved, because they don't do that in the
Catholic Church.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
You can go to reconciliation, you say hey, I did this,
and the priest will pray for you and forgive your sins,
but there's no saving and having to share the word
to save your friends so that they follow Jesus and
accept Jesus in your heart, like I never had any

(53:47):
of that. And I'm still confused about the whole thing
of Jesus dying for our sins and somehow that was
supposed to take away the sins of the world, but
yet we're still sinners and we're still fighting the devil
and sinning.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, because apparently that whole Adam and even thing screwed
us over. But then Jesus came to take away the
sins so that we could be redeemed. But now we're
just waiting for God to come back to finish it.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
We've been redeemed, but I guess it can't be fully
redeemed until the Israel acknowledges it. I don't know what
the point of jesus sacrifice and giving himself was to
save our sins if nothing has really changed other than

(54:41):
this promise that we will go to heaven.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Fair point, What was the whole point of that If
he's taken away the sins but we're still in the
devil's domain. Did he actually do I guess he gave
us the choice of redemption because before we were just damned.
I only get redeemed when God comes back. So we're
still waiting on that whole situation, and God is like

(55:06):
an absentee parent at this point. Whenever I get around
to it, we have to keep letting the devil believe
he won.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
This is my plan. Eventually I'll set everything right.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, but first I got to go on vacation. You
hang out. I don't let the devil get you, because
that's bad. That's part of the reason why you got
to get baptized too. You got to get baptized so
that you're saved and so that you're protected until Jesus
comes back. That's what I was told.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
I think it depends on the different denominations, because some
of them baptize at birth as like a commitment that
I will raise my child as a Christian and they
are protected. But then some of them it's when they're
older and you volunteer and you accept Jesus and then

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you're baptized because of this like a conscious decision that
you're making.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
In the Baptist faith that I was raised in, you
get baptized as a child, but then you can choose
to get baptized as an adult. It's like when you
get married, you read to your vows. So you're doing
it as a child to be protected, and then you're
doing it as an adult to really let Jesus in.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
But then you're also saved, so you could be part
of the church and be baptized. But then there's a
point where you become saved.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
You become saved once you let Jesus in your heart.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
A lot of the Baptist kids that I grew up with,
they're like, oh, he was saved. He doesn't drink anymore,
he doesn't do this anymore. And then two days later
they're doing it or that's when they start talking to
God directly and God tells them. Was like, I needed

(57:01):
a break up with you. God told me to break.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Up with you.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yes, Oh about bullshit.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I was also told by Baptists that I was going
to hell, so they're very judgy. They can tell you
God's judgment.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
It's very far in Brimstone.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Funny experience with the Baptist Church. So I was invited
in high school to a lock in at the Baptist
church on New Year's Eve. I guess so that people
wouldn't go out drinking and partying in high school, and
we prayed in the New Year, which okay, it's a church.
But then they had this big video and they have

(57:42):
the scene from Tommy Boy when Chris Farley catches on
fire and he's and he's rolling around. It's supposed to
be a funny scene. This was right after he had died,
and they paused it with him on fire and they're like, yes,
we're laughing, but that's actually what's happening. He's in hell

(58:03):
burning because he did drugs.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Oh my goodness, that sounds so Baptist though, like I'm
not even blinking right now. Well, yeah, that sounds right.
There are very ten commandments, so you follow the ten
commandments or you're going to hell. It doesn't matter if
you've been saved or not. You gotta file the Bible
and the law of the land to a.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Tea, right. But then they're the ones that want to
build giant fences around the bars, so when they pull
in people can't see that they're there. Yes, which is
something that happens.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Hey, it didn't happen unless you get caught. That is
also a Baptist thing. If we don't talk about it.
It didn't happen, So everything is very hush. As long
as you're not talking about it. As long as it's
not in the forefront of anybody's mind, then it's not
something you have to eat even think about. But even

(59:03):
if you do decide to follow the devil and you
do get caught, there are great loopholes. You can cry
and you can say that the devil made you do it,
and then you can pray a lot, and then you
can get rebaptized and get reborn and then you get
a second chance or a third chance, or how many chances.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
You need saved again.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
But you just have to go through the process of
being lambasted. If you're a man, you get more chances
than if you're a woman. It's a very misogynistic situation, yeah,
because women are unclean and men aren't, so we're easier
to take down by the devil because of Eve, that bitch.

(59:50):
Being a Baptist is fun. It's a whole situation. I
was good at reciting the Bible, I was good at
Bible camps. I was good at all of it. Until
one day I started asking questions and I'm like, wait
a minute, none of this makes any sense. And then
it was all downhill from there. And that happened at about fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
It's about mentally, when you start asking questions and coming
into your own way of being.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I was like, Hey, this Ouiji board is cooler than
the Bible. I realized that I could manipulate the energies
around me, and I was like, Wow, this whole Bible
thing is a scam. I have a lot more power
than I thought I had. That was it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, because a lot of these fundamentalist views are very disempowering,
and I think that's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I think part of it is like there's only one
true way, and that's all culture like that. There's only
one true way. And when you take away free will,
which according to them, God gave you so that you
could love him, and you take it away, then what
do you have? I've left you are just empowered. You
have nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I found myself being very confused, but also very angry
as I was reading these books because of that, of
the manipulation of blind faith and just do what I
tell you and all of your troubles will be taken

(01:01:23):
away is so manipulative and degrading of people. To think
of them as.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Well be depraved, right, come on, that's that's concentration camp
one on one. It's okay if we ethnically cleanse a
whole bunch of people because they're just the depraved ones
and they're in the way of God's will. That is
evil to me. At that point, I don't want to

(01:01:55):
be on the side of God. I don't even want
to talk to him. I don't want to have anything
to do with them. If it's okay to kill people
and to starve people out and to take away the
rights to further an agenda.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
That's exactly what's happening with Israel and Palestine right now.
Israel is blocking off trucks of resources to get to Palestinians,
even in places where they really didn't even have control
to start with. And there's people starving, and if you

(01:02:27):
say that, you're claimed of being anti Semitic and you
are against the Jews, and that's not the case. That's
just come on, let's be decent humans and not let
people starve to death just because they believe differently than you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Let's not people let people suffer. It's freaking ridiculous. Yeah, Like,
why are we creating more chaos in the world. Why
are we not being good to our fellow human beings?
I don't. I guess that's where I don't understand all
of this is that literally, the government is willing to
kill its own people for this plan, like we're all

(01:03:10):
sacrificial lambs for this thing. I don't understand why that's okay.
I don't understand who are these twenty five percent that
believe that's okay? Do your neighbors really think that this
is okay?

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I think they do. And that's the scary part.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yeah, that's what I think. Every time I see somebody
with a red hat on, I think, are you okay
with genocide? Or are you okay with Because I'm a
Democrat I'm not even really a Democrat, but because I'm
liberal air quotes, you automatically are going to hate me.
You don't even know who I am, but you've already

(01:03:51):
been conditioned to think that there's something wrong with me
because I have more liberal points of view.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Well that's on both sides, right right side have been conditioned.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yes, we've been conditioned to believe that anybody who wears
a MAGA hat is stupid and that they're followers. But
may they are followers. That part I can't get around.
But I know a lot of smart people that are mega.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
You don't have to be stupid, And I think a
lot of those people are seeing some truth in what
is being said and the idea is but they're not understanding,
like we're talking about this underlying belief system that is
pushing the agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I feel like it gives people a cause. It gives
people that sense of camaraderie or being part of a
community that we are so lacking, and I think that
sense of community overrides the critical thinking part in the
brain sometimes. Again I'm not saying they're stupid, because I

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don't think magas are stupid. I think they're filling a void.
I think they want to be on the side of
the winner, and they override that critical thinking aspect of things.
And I think a lot of them are too afraid
of that sense of being alone or they don't want
to be wrong. It's like NASCAR or basketball, like we

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all were all on the same team. It's not high
mind thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
I'm sorry you added NASCAR, that was your first one
you think of.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
I know there's forty different people racing at the same time,
in NASCAR, but they do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
They group up in their teams and you love whoever.
I'm just say Christopher Bell, right, so you love chrystalpher Bell,
you hate Caacey Kane. There's enemies in NASCAR, just like
everything else. There's definitely that group mentality. But I wouldn't
have picked that first.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
I only picked it because my dad was into NASCAR.
Maybe that football is better football.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
You have tens of thousands of people in a stadium
at one time. But even with that, even if you
are a huge fan, like you're an Alabama fan when
they're the best, or a stupid Texas fan you think
you're the best at everything and everybody else sucks. At
the end of the day, it's still a game and

(01:06:23):
you recognize that and you can hate the other team.
Obviously I'm not a Texas fan. You can still get
along with the people, and this is like there's no
getting along. It's life or death. That's what concerns me
is because they're taking it to that limit and they're
okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Unfortunately, that's the dark side of humanity. But I was
hoping at some point we would move beyond that, or
at some point we would evolve but I don't think
we've actually evolved. We've just learned new ways to hate
each other through organizations like this, or.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
How to manipulate people to hate each other for our
own gain.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, it's still manipulation. It's mind wars. As they say,
I'm sure a keynote is gloating right now from hell.
The more we talk about this stuff, the more it's like,
why does it have to be this way? There is
so much innovation in the world that could be happening

(01:07:32):
right now, and we're focusing on this, We're focusing on
being warriors for Christ. Isn't there something else we could
do with our time here on the planet. I don't
expect to get along. But at the same time, like
we literally have the capacity to end hunger on this planet,

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we don't do anything about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
We have the capacity to do a lot of things
that we're doing. There's programs in Africa that are restoring
the desert to a more lush, fertile land. Why don't
we take some of those practices and put them in
other areas that need it. But we're too busy calling

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them extremists and fighting them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
And that's very noble of them to do that. That's amazing,
to use the earth to heal itself. I'm astounded and
amazed by this documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I mean, it's more concerning that nobody would pick it up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
What are distributors afraid of?

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
And we know that there are some that are left
leaning that do not believe in this dogma, yet they
wouldn't pick it up either.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I feel like it's because people don't distributors especially don't
want to be the next plandemic. I feel like they're
afraid to be ostracized.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
So when he was talking about his documentary, it started
with the Oscars and the best documentary. That one was
a documentary that was made by both Israelis and Palestinians.
It was another one that was not picked up by

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US distributors. We was only shown in the select market,
and there was a lot of discourse on both sides
of Israelis claiming that they shouldn't have worked at the
Palestinians and it was truly in Israeli documentary, and then

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the Palestinians were like, oh he was Israelis really weren't
part of it? It was true Palestinian documentary. Like they're
both claiming it and not wanting to work together. So
I know that there's that kind of mindset on both sides,
is not just the Israeli side and the friends of Israel.
There is definitely that mindset on the Palestinians. But some

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of that is justified because of the treatment that they've received.
But again, that's where this discussion started, is you have
this documentary that won an award, yet it was not
distributed in the United States, so nobody got to see it.
And their argument was just with the political landscape and

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we just we shy away from those types of things.
But that he referenced several other documentaries that were very
political in the past that were picked up by distributors.
So there's like this unsaid consense is that we just

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we don't talk about what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
It's like nobody wants to touch it, and nobody you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Want that's money or if it's just they don't want
to draw attention to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I feel like it's the pandemic thing. Nobody wants to
be that. But then the other part of it, too
is that if people do know about it, people start
talking about it, it becomes part of the consciousness.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
You can't control the narrative.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
The jig is up. If you think about it, Does
anybody want those motherfuckers going after you? No? Because you
know that's what's going to happen, and that's unfortunately what happens.
So it's unfortunate that people don't have more balls, because
I think this stuff needs to be out there. Whether

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it's conspiracy or not, whether it's just a narrative, it
doesn't matter. We need to know that this is out
there and that people believe this stuff, and nobody talks about.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
It except for in the congregation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
It's like with the Seven m movement, it's with Mormonism,
with all of these kind of culty scientology. We know
they exist, but we don't actually know what's going on.
And when you find out what's going on, people say
it's not happening because I don't want to be judged
for it. But if you truly believed it, why does
it matter? Like why can't you stand on your own morals?

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You know what I mean? If this is what you
truly believe in, you lived by these covenants, then why
can't you stand by it. Why can't you say, yeah,
this is what I believe. Fuck off?

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I even saw that When I got these books, it
was just a conversation and we were talking about what
we have been doing. I was like, I read a lot,
and obviously the question is, oh, what do you read?
I said, lately, I've been reading about the end times
and armageddon because it's a really hot topic right now.

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And the response was, oh, is it? But then I
get four books on Zionism and the apocalypse and what
God is doing. Obviously it's a hot topic because you
have a ton of books on it and you're listening
to these people preach about it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
But they're playing dumbs. That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Surely they know it's not just in their megachurch. Maybe
it's like cognitive dissonance or something.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Now that we've scared you, freaked you out, giving you
the tools for some serious therapy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
We're not done. We have another perspective to share.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah, so what are we going to talk about next one?
You're going to talk about human design?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Correct, So next time we're going to take the human
design perspective and the prophecies that are in those teachings
and how they compare to everything else, and then maybe
we will do an overview in our perspective about what's
actually going on, and use our intuition to make our

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own predictions.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
So look out for that, and yeah, I'll see you
on the flip side.