Government Secrets, UFOs & Nuclear Cover-Ups

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You are listening to the NVS Alien Podcast with your host,
Heather Woodward, an award winning Psygik, supernatural author and lover
of all things true crime.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
On this show, we're.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Going to deep dive into topics so don't usually see
the light of day, the spooky, the weird, the macabre,
the paranormal, and of course aliens. Sit back, grab a
cup of tea, and let's get on with the show.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Last year of the House Intelligence Committee held a hearing
on UAPs. They brought in some Pentagon bureaucrats to it
who only had two answers to the questions they were asked,
I don't know or that's classified. This hearing is going
to be different. We're going to have witness who can
speak frankly to public about their experiences. We've had a
heck of a lot of pushback about this hearing. We've

(00:51):
had members of Congress who fought us. We've had members
of the intelligence community and also the Pentagon. Even NASA
backed out on us. There are a lot of people
who don't want this to come to light. I've even
tried to introduce it amendment to the Federal Aviation Administration
re Authorization Bill and all that would do would require
the Federal Aviation Administration to report UAP sightings by commercial

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pilots to Congress. The intelligence community shut it down. This
is ridiculous, folks. They either they do exist or they
don't exist. They keep telling us they don't exist, but
they block every opportunity for us to get a hold
of the information to prove that they do exist. And
we're going to get to the bottom of it, Dad Gummett,
whatever the truth may be, We're done with the cover up.

(01:35):
We're not going to bring you in a saucer or
a little green man. That's not what it's going to
be about. And I know y'all every time you play
this interview with one of us who played the theme
from X Files, I get it. But the reality is
the American public deserves to know.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Envious Alien Podcast. Today I'm
going to be going through the November thirteenth, twenty twenty
four UFO hearing by the Committee on Oversight and Accountability.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
We're going to watch the two.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Hour presentation, see how that plays out, talk about any
key details. I'm sure some of this stuff is going
to be regurgitated because we seem to have the same
stories over and over and over again since twenty seventeen,
Like how many times we have to hear about the

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same two or three TikTok sightings. But if there's anything
else that's interesting new people, I'm sure Alexander is going
to be there because Alexando is everywhere, and you all
know my theory on that. If not, I'll say it again,
I'm not sure if he is a mirage man or not. Then,
just for those people who don't know, a mirage men

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is somebody who comes in and throws out propaganda to
muddy the waters. Because I've heard him say things like, oh,
this could be a national threat and they could be
here for dangerous reasons.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
And we don't know enough about them.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
I'm that kind of thinking, or that kind of verbiage,
that sort of narrative is very mirage man. It makes
me think of Project Bluebein. I don't really trust anybody
in the usphere right now. There's nobody that I can
say with concrete assurance that I am one hundred percent
on board with them, Even with people like Stephen Greer.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't know what's going on with that man. It
just gets so big and it gets so out there.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
There's just too much Jeremy Corbel right now, and that
kind of like big in your face showmanship. He always
says he has insider information that he's gonna share, but
then it's like the stuff that he says or the
stuff that he puts out there is more pompum circumstance

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than it is actual information. And that's how I feel
about the UFO world at large at the moment, and
that's why I haven't been posting a lot of stuff
about it, because I'm super interested in the UFO phenomenon
and just the idea that there's something out there besides us. However,
I am not real happy with how things are playing

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out at the moment. The reporting on the November twenty
twenty four UFO hearing is strange. It's truncated and summarized,
and the representatives from Congress are more highlighted than the
actual people who spoke at the hearing. It is the

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weirdest thing ever. So let me tell you who they are.
Timothy Gaulia Day. I probably said that wrong. Ga Lllaudet.
He's an American oceanav and he was the acting administrator

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of NOAA.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
He was working for the.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Navy in twenty fifteen when he first saw a UAP.
He was a rear admiral in the US Navy when
he retired. He says there's a disinformation campaign among high
levels of government to discredit reports and whistle blowers of

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the UAP UFO phenomenon. Then there's Lewis Elisondo. We know
him because he's on every TV show about this stuff.
He's the big air quotes whistle blower. He just read
a book about the whole situation.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
He was part of a tip.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
And he's the one that's this is so much about
national security. The third person is Michael Gold.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
He is from NASA.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
He used to be an administrator there and he was
speaking about how NASA has lots of equipment that could
be used and that NASA should be more involved in
helping with disclosure. We're in the opening statements and Rep.

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Nancy Mace. She goes into this whole thing about how
she doesn't know why it's all kept secret, why there's
all these documents that are redacted or they're classified, and
why there isn't more transparency.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
So that I say yes to all of it.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Great point, Mace says that there were representatives who didn't
want it to happen, and.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That we're warning against it. She didn't name names.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
But I bet you anything it had to do with religion.
There's a thing about religious people in UFOs. It's like
this idea that if there are UFOs, then that somehow
negates Christianity, it opens the Pandora's box for all other religions,

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or it somehow changes the narrative of Christianity.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
And there's the other side.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
A lot of Christians believe that UFOs are demons or
their tricksters, or they're an energy that are trying to
keep you away from Jesus. And I always thought that
was an interesting perspective, like why would demons come in
the front of UFOs.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
There's so many other ways you could come forward.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Mace goes on to talk about immaculate constellation and she
shows this paperwork.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Me, being the busy.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Body that I am, I'm like, what the hell.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Is a maculate constellation.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
She holds up this document that's stapled blah blah, and
I'm like, well, I wonder what this document is because
I want to see what's on it. And of course,
if you go to Nancy Mays's website, you can find
the document. I will go ahead and put a link
to it in the show notes. If you're interested in

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reading it yourself, I'm going to go over the highlights
with you.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
So it says.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
This document is the result of a multi year internal
investigation into the subjects of UAP's technologies of Unknown Origin
and non human intelligence. This investigation was undertaken in response
to urgent and credible threats to the public good and
safety of the United States of America and provided to

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Congress through the UAP with subplorer mechanisms established by the
FY twenty three National Defense Authoritization Act and the FY
twenty three National Intelligence Authoritization Act.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
It goes on and on.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
The results of this investigation are deeply disturbing. Elements of
the US Executive Branch have conspired to prevent the US
legislative branch from exercising its lawful powers of governance with
respect of the UAP TUO n NHI issues. UAP is

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unidentified a nominalist phenomenon, TUOS technologies of unknown origin, and
NHI is non human intelligence. The information provided by the
authors strongly suggests that the US Executive branch has been
managing UAP NHI issues without Congressional knowledge, oversight, or authorization

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for some time, quite possibly decades. This criminal conspiracy keeps
the elected government of the United States and its citizens
ignorant to profound discoveries and dire threats originating from the
u s the existence of UAP and HI and other technologies.

(10:07):
Unambiguous evidence demonstrating the reality of UHP, n HI and
TUO has been made available to Congress by multiple independent
UAP whistleblowers. This document is but one of evidence brought
to Congress. Much more exists and hopefully will make available.

(10:27):
In this public version of the report, information is organized
into seven categories of evidence, unacknowledged special access program, imagery, intelligence,
human intelligence, signals, intelligent USG bureaucratic records, USG historical records,
and other sensitive sources. All information in the support is

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derived from access to non public information, so we have
these seven sections.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'm not going to go through the.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Whole of this document, but it does have some interesting
things in it. It says Immaculate Constellation is an unacknowledged
special access program established following the public disclosure of the
AAGIP slash AAWSAP programs by Lewis Elizondo in twenty seventeen.

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Upon disclosure to Congress, it was determined that this USAP
and its clateral information have not been lawfully reported to Congress.
SG imagery intelligence collected from data sets available to the
DoD and reviewed for the support provide compelling evidence for
UAP which defy prosaic explanations. There is a large number

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of unique imagery sensors available to the US military and
intelligence community, including infrared, forward looking infrared, full motion video, thermal,
and still photography. The multitude of wavelengths collected by the
sensors have captured UIPLA. The multitude of wavelengths collected by

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these sensors have captured UAP characteristics that are difficult or
impossible to observe with the human eye alone. Subtle atmospheric
effects assodied with UAPs are visible through the sensors employed
by the US military and the intelligence agencies, enabling unique
analytical techniques. Some of the things that they're talking about

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here are cuboid formation of metallic orbs that have been
seen through FLUR, which is the front looking infrared fast
mover observed transiting over sensitive facilities, a flur footage of
a small medium oval up flying at high speed and

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low to the surface, and then it describes what it does.
We also have intelligence of vessels positioned to collect on
a reproduction vehicle. It says there exists infrared footage of
imagery of a grouping of vessels engaged in SGI in

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T and mas I T collection at night in specific
area of the Pacific Ocean. In this footage, which was
in close proximity to the vessels, a large equilateral triangle
P suddenly appears directly over the ships. Three bright points

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are seen at each bottom corner of the UAP, which
is observed to slowly rotate on its horizontal axis. Then
we have equilateral triangle up tails unwitting vessel. This one
is infrared footage of an equilateral triangle approximate fighter jet size,

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hovering less than two hundred meters from the vessel in
the night at a location.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
In the Pacific.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
So anyway, there's some other ones here. There's a large
disc using clouds as concealment. It was saucer shape. It
was between two hundred and four one hundred meters. It
hides and covers in the clouds, and then it's suddenly
reverses its direction, descending partially back into the cloud cover,

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then accelerating rapidly out of frame. Then we have the
boomerang UAP observed by a pilot and censor suite. Then
we have the jellyfish UAP that crosses the US Mexico border.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
There's floor footage of an irregularly shaped UAP flying across
the southern border.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
The UAP peers in flir to be.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Modeled irregularly with hot cold emissions and approximated a jellyfish
or floating brain with hanging appendages in appearance. The UP
flew against the wind with no visible means of propulsion,
maintained an unnatural rigidity in its movements and flight path,

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and maintained a comparatively low altitude to geographic features. And
we have the supersonic range Fowler and it basically went
head on to a us N fighter. We have the
TIC TAC detectives by space an asset and proximity a vessel.

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This happened in the Atlantic Ocean. And section three is
about defense human intelligence reporting, and then it talks about
the common shapes of ups. We have sphere or orb
disc or saucer, oval or TikTok triangle, boomerang or arrowhead,

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irregular or organic, And then there are tables about each
one what colors they are, with the behaviors. You definitely
want to look at this. I don't want to read
the whole thing. You don't want to hear me talking
the whole time reading a document. But if you're really
interested in this, there are some more examples. One of

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them is called Defense Human Report on UAP's we have
close encounter near a flight deck more metallic orbs. Yeah,
this is just some really good stuff. Section four is
about DoD bureaucatic records. It says discrepancies found throughout the
internal records of ARO and DoD interactions with the Congress

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cast serious doubts on the integrity of the DODS. Statements
to the elected leaders of the United States government. Extent
transcripts held by leadership show a pattern of trivialization, fucification
at outright denial of UAP data in what we're intending
to be highly classified, private and transparent conversations with appropriate

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Congressional members. This same behavior also prevents critical members of
the Congress from receiving an accurate assessment of the national
security risk posed by UAPs.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
And there we go.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
There's that verbiage that I was talking about national security risk.
Now it probably is a national security risk because we
don't know what they are. But I don't know if
I believe that either that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Do we not know what they are?

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Or do we just not want to say what they are?
I always feel like there's more to it, even in
this documentary. This is a really interesting document here. Even
with this, I'm like, what are they not saying? And
maybe that again, maybe I just have too many ten
fell hats on. Maybe my brain is now super charged
with ginfoil. Maybe I'll pull some cards on it and
see how I feel about it. But right now we're

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just gonna stick to the fucts, So it's a specific
Examples known to the authors include denying the existence of
multiple compartmented access programs owned by a military intelligence agency
which directly related to the UAP mission, denying the existence
of joint DoD interdepartmental special access programs directly related to

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the UAB mission and the study of TUO, and finally,
the denial of existence of immaculate constellation by DoD representatives
to appropriate congressional members and their staff. So there's more
on that, and then there is Section five restricted USG

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historical records. And then we have section six, which is
Signals intelligence. A substantial body of sensitive signals intelligence collected
from peer and near peer countries demonstrate foreign awareness of
UAP events occurring over their sensitive military and intelligence facilities,

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including nuclear weapon facilities, which is the thing if you're
even a little bit into UFOs, there is a correlation
between sightings and nuclear facilities. I live near a facility
in Simi Valley, and there were all kinds of UFO
sidings up on the hill of the five miles away.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I lived in the valley.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
If you go up this winding road, it takes you
about ten minutes to get to the top.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
There was a facility there.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
They did all kinds of missile testing and nuclear testing,
and they hit it from the area, so nobody never
really knew what was going up on there.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
They lied about a bunch of stuff. And then there
was a.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Huge lake that went into the groundwater, and it's this
whole thing, and there are cancer clusters in that area.
As I was doing the research because I'm like, holy shit,
I lived in that area.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Probably not a good situation. Let's find out about it.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I did a lot of research on UFOs and nuclear facilities, and.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
There was a huge correlation between the two.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
People assume that it's because of energy, or maybe it
creates some kind of portal.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Who knows.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
I only say that because I just watched to.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
In Peaks the Return.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
And there's this whole thing about electricity and energy and
moving timelines and going into portals. That's something that is
in the a cult a lot. If you have these
higher energy locations, they can create fissures and portals because

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they're like soft spots. Anyway, get back to this section
seven says sensitive sources from mouth to ear. That's it.
That's all it says. And then there's a conclusion statement.
So there you have it. I'm going to get back
to the video and come back when there's more interesting information.
We are listening to everyone's five minute introductions. While they're there,

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they're going over information about UAPs and incidences where the Pentagon,
the DoD. Everyone is just putting it under the rug.
But isn't that what our government does? Like none of
this is surprising me.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
At all.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
One of the guys said, when it comes to UAPs
and the UFO phenomenon, the government treats us like children.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And I just laugh.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Because that's always how it is. Anything that is even
a little bit confusing or a little bit controversial, it's
always soup the rugs. Even that phrase national security came up.
It's this overreaching keeping everyone in the dark until it

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doesn't matter. I think the reason why a lot of
things are being hidden is because they're doing nefarious things
to the population. Talking about mk Ultra, I'm talking about
some of the esp programs.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
The government had.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
There are a lot of things that the government does
to us, and the reason why they don't want us
to know about it is because we would be really
pissed off or basically test subjects or they're doing things
that they know will hurt us, and if we found
out about it, we'd.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Be really pissed off. We poisoned your water. Oops, my bad.
Let's just not talk.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
About same thing with where I lived in Simia Valley
in the Centu Susanna Hills. Oops, we had a radiation
leak and we just let it leak into the water table.
We didn't tell any of you about it, and then
oh my god, there's cancer clusters in that area.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
We don't know why.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
That's weird. There's some interesting dynamics going on here that
are playing out in other areas. The government seems to
think that the Americans can't handle it. So far, for
out of five people I've talked about UAPs and talked

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about disclosure and how there needs to be less covering
up and more open discourse about it, one of the
guys was talking about how he experienced it and that's
why he's there because he actually saw it with his

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own eyes, and he's we need to talk about this.
Only one that was a little more personal or created
more of a personal narrative was of course Elizondo, and
he was very much about people are going after me.
I've had death threats, I've had this, I've had that.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
He seemed very angry.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
It also just felt very like, oh my god, the
government is after me. Felt very I don't know what
the right word is, very like I'm being ostracized. I'm
the victim here. I'm just trying to give the information.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
You were all being mean to me.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
He doesn't have a very thick skin at all, because
like half of his speech was about how he's been
singled out, and I'm like, yeah, you've gone on all
these shows, you wrote a book about it. What do
you expect You're whining all the way to the bank.
One of their presentatives asked the question specifically about an believe.

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She's just for referencing the one from two thousand and
three or two thousand and four, and immediately the guys,
I can't give you that information. I can give that
to you in a closed setting if you want to know.
And she starts asking him a question, he's I can't
give you that information.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I can just tell you that it was a UAP.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
We just heard twenty five minutes of opening statements about
how we need disclosure and how we need to be
more open, and the first questions he's already dodging, and
I'm like, Okay, where is this going. I have not
learned anything that I didn't already know just from reading

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articles and watching documentaries, so hopefully there's some new information
being dropped. Now we're talking to Alizondo and she's asking
very specific questions. Mace is asking a company that's creating
these some kind of technology company, or are we talking
about non human intelligence and he's poorly speaking, and she's

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which is it? And he's I can't really tell you.
I'd have to tell you in a closed setting because
three years ago I saw in these papers and I'm like, okay,
just somebody answer a goddamn question. So far for just
getting a lot of reach around, like, I didn't know
that I was joining a circle jerk. I thought that

(26:23):
this was going to be an open congressional here. I'm
hoping this gets better by the way she's talking about
crash retrieval specifically. I don't think I mentioned that. Is
there any and is it made by a company or
is it an HI? I'm sorry if I didn't make
that clear in the beginning. All Right, we finally got somewhere.

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Alexander openly admitted that there are crash retrieval sections of
the government that have been injured because of UAP crash,
and they have been put on leave and paid not
to talk. The government has officially said that there are

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no crash retrieval sections of the government, but they do
not deny that people have gone on physical leave and
they have paid out for said crashes. We do not
have a crash retrieval section. We don't care if you
know that these people went only we paid them for

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interacting with the UAP.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
But we don't have.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Any retrieval from their crashes that don't exist that these
people got paid for. Apparently this is all in Alizondo's book.
I have a copy of it. I believe it's on audible.
Now I'm going to have to listen to it, all right,
mister Moskowitz or Moscowitz, however you say your name, Sorry dude,
if I annihilated your name. Has a really great question,

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and let's see what the answer is. He asked, why
is this such a big deal?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Why do we have.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Thiss information campaigns? Mister Gold gave a very generic answer.
He was just like, let's speak use it's different, and
people don't like change. He said that this always happens
in science or any kind of unorthodox thinking. It takes
a while for people to change their thought process on things.

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It seems like the tic TAC situation was a very deliberate,
very innocuous kind of reporting. Let's give the American people this,
Let's give him this one little piece of information and
see what they do with it. And I remember when
I read that article about the tic tac. I wasn't like,

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oh my god, disclosure. I was more like, this is strategic,
so what's next? Why are they giving us this piece?
In particular, there are orb shaped ones, there are tic TACs,
and there are saucer shaped. Instead of telling us about
saucer shaped ones, they told us about TikTok. This is

(29:12):
a different kind of UFO.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I hate seeing uap. Why show us that.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
I still don't have the answer, but it's just a
very interesting strategic drop. We keep going back to tic
TACs and UAPs, which are UFOs, but we give it
a special name and we give it a special shape.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
But why why are.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
We keeping away from the saucer shape and UFO? Why
are we renaming it? And why are we reinventing it?
That's what I always wondered about it. And then with
this whole other direction with it, right, I feel like
I don't have all the pieces of the puzzle, and
I feel like there's information always being omitted. Anyway, let's

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get back to this hearing. We have a little bit
of information here. Elexando is being questioned by mister Burkett
or mister Burchette.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
I'm over here roasting people with their names. But anyway,
he's asking a question about, like why misinformation campaigns and
apparently they come from the Pentagon, and Alexandro said, why
don't you ask the Pentagon? There is a point of
contact at the Pentagon that is solarly responsible for giving

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out misinformation, and that one point of contact basically oversees
it all and make sure it gets out there. And
there are literal pieces of misinformation that are being created
around this topic. Another representative asked, what's the big deal here?

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Why can't we just know about this? And one of
the other dudes said, weakness.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
They don't want to look weak.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Okay, great, but again, why let the TikTok story leak.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Forgetting summer? This is interesting.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Submersible objects Doctor Galladet I think his name is again,
sorry if I mispronounced it. I'm looking up their title cards. Anyway,
he said that unidentified submissibles.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Have been seen.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
He's talking about the eighties, which I'm like, whoa, Okay,
that's a long time ago. But anyway, it's usually nuclear
submarines that see the underwater submissibles, and that's very interesting. Again,
there's the correlation between nuclear energy and UFOs. We got
some more information about the underwater submissibles. They are very fast,

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They outrun submarines, They dodge back and forth. They have
the same mechanism as the apes underwater.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
They're agile.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
There have been some questions about whether or not these
crafts are being operated by intelligent beings, either some kind
of intelligence in the craft or outside of the craft,
and so far the answer is yes, that they have

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anticipated the movements of the pilots and submarines and they
strategically move.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
In a way that is into it.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
They're asking questions about biological entities, but then they're going
into are the self sustained? Are these intelligent crafts with
no people in them?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
No aliens in them?

Speaker 4 (32:50):
They're just living entities. And Alizondo said, I don't have
the credentials to tell you that or not. He's all
I can say is that people can handle nine g's.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
That's the top.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
After that they go into blackouts, something called redouts, which
I never heard of before, or death. He said that
these crafts are going between one thousand to three thousand g's.
It either would have to be something alien like a
ebe or maybe it's mind mind communication, like maybe it's

(33:30):
SYNCD up to somebody that's inter dimensional, or maybe they
are so sustaining. Also, I found out that there was
some kind of drone activity on an Air Force base
sometime in twenty twenty four, prior to the drones that
just happened in the New Jersey area around Christmas time

(33:51):
in December, there were all of these sightings of drones
and then they just went away and maybe we just
stopped talking about them. There was a lot of speculation
that they were in NASA. But this drone activity that
happened on the base, government officials and the Pentagon said
we don't know what it is, which went into the

(34:11):
discussion about is this normal. Do these kinds of things
usually happen on bases? And Alessando said, yes, it's bases,
energy areas, and nuclear places, which have already talked about.
There have been a lot of sightings around electrical plants.
Those seem to be focal points for activity. So it's

(34:35):
not just nuclear energy, it's any kind of energy. But
I find it fascinating that all the drones showed up
at an air Force base, because how did they get
there and what are they looking for if it is
man made as a bold move.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Okay, we can get on here, you're not safe.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
And I guess there were like two hundred feet.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Across or something like that, and they were just little drones.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
They were like giant drones, lot of them. So we
just had this conversation about whether they're intelligent or not.
When asked specifically what a UAP.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Is or what do you think it is, two.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
People said we don't know, but we should probably find out,
and then everyone else said it's a non human intelligent entity.
I stopped because non human intelligent entity sounds a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Like alien in my brain.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
We're going down a really interesting question from I think
it's la Turner again. Sorry about the names. He's asking
about biologics. If we wanted to look at the biologics,
where would we go? Who do we talk to? Where
are these biologics? Are there biologics? We're getting a lot
of vague answers from everybody about the biologics. He asked

(35:51):
Alessandro straight out, So do you think there are biologics?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yes, yes, there are, and do you think they were
definitely collected? Yes? Okay, and have you seen them?

Speaker 4 (36:02):
No? Just heard about them and then basically asking why
haven't you seen them or how I.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Don't know about them?

Speaker 4 (36:10):
And he goes, I've only heard about them and reference
to them because they were collected before I was even born.
Let's look at Lewis elizando birthday. I'm typing it as
we speak. I'm doing all this in real time. He
was born in nineteen seventy five. I was born in
seventy four. We're around the same age. Let's see what

(36:32):
is his sign? I gotta know why I don't trust him.
Let's look, I'm doing some research here, and Alexander's birthday
is not on the internet. I find them to be
super curious. Why isn't his birthday on the internet. Everyone's
birthday is on the internet.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I don't know. That makes me highly suss.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Why wouldn't we know his birthday? He is a public figure.
You know that he was born in nineteen seventy five,
but we wouldn't know his birthday.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's so odd anyway.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
I don't want to be that person. But that kind
of sounds like he was alluding to Roswell. That's the
big one where they allegedly collected evidence.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
They collected little beings or whatever they were.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
They were fitting to kid coffins, so they had to
be under five feet. Small little things.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Off the top of my.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Head, I can't think of any other big crashes, but
that doesn't mean there weren't any. That could be anything.
There could be all kinds of reached crash retrievals that
we don't know about. We're going back to drones. The
air force base that they were talking about in the
very beginning is called the Langley Air Force Base, and

(37:48):
they keep referencing this Wall Street Journal article, and I'll
go ahead and put it in the show notes, but
it's called mystery drones swarmed a US military base for
so seventeen days straight.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
The Pentagon is stumped.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
The article goes on to say that a fleet of
unidentified aircraft had been flying over Lingley Air Force Base
for seventeen days. It says the show usually started forty
five minutes to an hour after sunset. I got it wrong.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
It wasn't two hundred feet, it was twenty feet, So
there's a huge difference there. So I'm gonna set the
record straight. The drones were estimated to be roughly twenty
feet long and flying at more than one hundred miles
an hour at an altitude of roughly three to four
thousand feet. It sounded like a parade of lawnmowers. They

(38:49):
weren't sure if they were hobbyists or hostile forces. Some
people have suspected that it's either China or Russia, seeing
what they can do and what they.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Can get away with. Federal law keeps.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Military from shooting down drones unless they're an imminent threat.
I guess a bunch of people from the Pentagon and
Biden and national security people all had meetings to try
to figure out what to do.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Because it lasted for.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
So long, it looked like the Langley Air Force Base
incident happened in late twenty twenty three, because it says
then two months earlier, in October of twenty twenty three,
five drones flew over a government site used for nuclear
weapon experiments. There we go, there's the other nuclear weapon thing.

(39:37):
And it happened in Nevada, of all places, Area fifty
one anyone, So the Langley incident must have happened in
December of twenty three. These drone occurrences happened, and then
they happened in December of twenty twenty four. The correlation
is interesting.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Maybe that's why the government wasn't doing anything about it,
because it was either NASA like people suspected, or they
already know because they've already had it happened to them before.
I'm over here on Wikipedia for these Jerne sightings in
December twenty twenty four, and then Jersey and then other
areas on the East coast. And it's fascinating because again,

(40:18):
the Langley incident happened in December twenty twenty three, and
then the New Jersey incident happened in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
But it wasn't just New Jersey. It with other places too.
The Round Valley Reservoir was an area. There was some
in Maryland, but according to Wikipedia, the investigations poorly ongoing
as of January twenty first, twenty twenty five. That was
four days ago. This has been updated. But then there's

(40:47):
a little Shenanigans happening here. On December sixteenth, the Department
of Homeland Security released a joint statement with the FBI,
A and DD in which it asserted that the fort
agency's investigation had failed to identify any anomalists after reviewing
over five thousand reported sightings and that most of the
sightings it examined had routine explanations. The agency city they

(41:10):
did not assess the activity to present a national security
or public safety risk, noting that most sightings were identified
as commercial, hobbyist, law enforcement drones or conventional craft. Yeah,
we're not talking about it, that's what that means. According
to Popular Mechanics, the most likely reason for the drone

(41:30):
sightings were that people were noticing drones that have always
been around or natural and human made phenomena. Even now
with this whole situation, nothing to see here, folks, it's nothing.
But then there were some articles that I read and
just some tiktoks that I saw, and some information that

(41:52):
I was calling together about NASA and how NASA had
been doing some experimentation with draw ones and if the
government knew it, and that's why they weren't doing anything
about it. But I guess the official story is that
it was created by bunch of Shenanigan human beings or

(42:12):
at the end here and the question was what do
you think they are like? Is it biological? Is a
human is intelligent? Obviously?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
But what kind of intelligence?

Speaker 4 (42:24):
One person said, aliens he didn't.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Say it like that, but that's basically what he said.
It's just some kind of intelligence.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
One person said, I don't know, and then the last
person said, AI.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I'm giving you the very short version.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Now we're in the last few minutes, and basically the
congressmen are saying, the people deserve to know what's really
going on. We need to know. Everybody deserves to know.
Let's keep making more transparency. I'm like, okay, cool. There

(43:00):
is another hearing from twenty twenty three. I found it
on YouTube and I'm going to watch it tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Back here in Washington, there will be an unusual House
Oversight hearing this week on what's being called unidentified aerial phenomena,
better known as UFOs. CBS's Scott McFarlane reports as the
number of unexplained sightings have increased, so has the demand
for more answers.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
The number of close encounters, oh, we have a look
on the ass isn't just increasing, it's soaring, by god,
three hundred and sixty six more reports of so called
unidentified aerial phenomena or UFOs since March twenty twenty one.
This triangle seemed to hover over a California military base
in this unidentified object zipped across the sky over the

(43:51):
Middle East. Retired Navy commander David Fraver described another incident
near San Diego to sixty minutes.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
He goes and just turns them up and starts mirroring me.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
So as I'm coming down, it starts coming up.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I think there's a lot of questions so that the
American public needs to know.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
Tennessee Republican Tim Burchett believes the Pentagon is withholding evidence
of possible extraterrestrial encounters.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
I want transparency.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Just release all the files that they have on it.
Quit with this redacted stuff, and let's get it out there.

Speaker 7 (44:21):
Former intelligence officer David Grush will tell Congress tomorrow that
he was denied access to information on a secret government
UFO crash retrieval program, something the Pentagon disputes. Astronomer is
Seth Shostack said the Pentagon would have little incentive to
cover up UFO encounters.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Why would they do that?

Speaker 4 (44:40):
And almost invariably the response is the public couldn't handle
the news.

Speaker 7 (44:44):
That's totally bonkers, right, But New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand
said more transparency is critical. The increasing number of objects
in the sky could be a threat to military aircraft.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
These pilots, they see it as urgent for a national
security reason to have domain awareness crash into these objects.

Speaker 7 (45:02):
Congress, which for years has avoided this topic of unidentified phenomena,
tomorrow will give it a big and bipartisan platform. When
these three people take the witness stand to describe their
own encounters with UFOs. It won't just be US media watching,
but I'm told several international news outlets watching this room
as well.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Okay, now we're gonna watch the twenty twenty three UFO hearing.
Different people in this one. We're gonna look at the
title card. It says July twenty six, twenty twenty three,
at ten o'clock AM, Room twenty one to fifty four
Committee on Oversight and Accountability for The three people testified

(45:47):
in this hearing were retired Major David Grush. He was
part of the Pentagon's UAP Task Force and then he
became a whistle. He had a lot of things to
say about crash retrieval. I think that's why this hearing

(46:10):
is so well publicized. The second person was a former
Navy fighter pilot. His name is Robert Graves, and then
the third person was retired Commander David Favor. Again, I'm
sorry about the pronunciation. It's fra Vor. And both of

(46:34):
them talked about their encounters with UAPs. So let's get
into this and see what these guys have to say.
I'm listening to David right away. Intuitively, I don't like him.
I don't know he's got this vibe of eyeli. We're

(46:56):
talking about things that happened in two thousand and three
and two thousand four. Specifically, two thousand and four is
when one of the pilots here had their experience, so
that was twenty three is when this happened, So that
would be nineteen years and one of the representatives said,

(47:20):
shouldn't sightings from fifteen years back? Shouldn't they be out
of being classified? Shouldn't the Congress and the American people
know about them?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
And fair point.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
We're talking about things that happened so long ago, which
makes me wonder what is happening now, How has it shifted,
how has it changed of the different is it more advanced?

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Is it less advanced.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
The second point that they made is that there's no
protocol for what to do about a sighting. These pilots,
they tell their uppers about what's going on, they make
their reports, and then.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
It just goes away.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Why are there no investigations if this is a matter
of national security, like they say, Is it because the
government really.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Knows what they are?

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Is it part of some dark experiment that's going on
or some classified technology that they're trying out. Mister Graves
is talking about incidents. Does that happened in twenty fourteen?
In twenty fifteen, that was ten years ago. He says
that he knows of over thirty pilots that have experienced this,

(48:44):
and a lot of that has to do with the
fact that they upgraded their systems so they're able to
see more on their radar, So that's interesting too. They
just have better equipment and better technology, so they're having
more experiences with them. Mister graynows of sightings up to
twenty nineteen, he said, and he said it's not just

(49:06):
pilots in the military. Commercial pilots are actually having the
same experiences.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
But they also have no one.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
To report it to. So there's no protocol at all
for even commercial airlines to report the phenomenon. You would
think there would be some way to like catalog this
stuff since it seems to be so prevalent. But I

(49:37):
guess it's still not a big deal or it's not
something that people talk about. Questions were asked whether or
not the military or the Pentagon or the government has
access to.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Any of these.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
UAPs. I don't know what to call them UFOs, whatever
they are.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
There was a resounding yes they do.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
They are located somewhere, but of course that's classified. They're
being a little vague as to whether or not it's
crash retrieval, but I'm thinking not because they're talking about
actual crafts. But then that leads into a whole bunch
of other questions, Oh my gee, like where are they

(50:24):
housing them? Are they creating technology from it?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Are they, you know, reversing it.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
I always find the shape of these UAPs fascinating. One
of the shapes that they're talking about is the cube.
I always find that to be such an interesting shape
because it's so vastly different.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Then think of as a UFO.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
In the last hearing, we did talk about the different
shapes and there was the whole list of them, and
again that is.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
In the show notes.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
If you want to actually pull that document. But this
shape does show up other places, this square shape. There's
actually a air Quotes corridor in the sky and it
goes over Missouri where the cube shaped uips are often seen,

(51:20):
and it's only in that particular area. It seems to
be a phenomenon that is localized. This part of the
hearing is about whose hands could be in the pie.
So they're just asking about the Pentagon. They're asking about

(51:41):
what parts of the government are part of this. They're
asking about what companies could be a part of this.
So one of the things that was said here and
ahso it was mentioned in the twenty twenty four hearing

(52:03):
is that the Pentagon, it never ever seems to know
where their money is going. Every year they get audited
and every year they can't account for about a billion
dollars a billion with a bee. They never know where
the money is going with always programs that they're doing
that are classified that people just don't talk about any way,

(52:24):
They're talking about what companies are connected to these parts
of the government that are hiding this information about UAPs
because there seems to be the distant information campaign. Also,
both Elizondo and Geresh have gone on record saying that

(52:45):
their lives have been threatened because of being a whistleblower,
and they do a lot of things to try to
ruin your life to keep you from talking. So there's
something about this information that the government doesn't want the

(53:05):
public to know. And if there are in fact crash retrievals,
which Alessandro says, and then Garesh says that there are
definitely UAPs that the government has. Did they make them,
are they trying them out? Did they access them, did
they steal them? How did they come across these? These

(53:28):
are the questions that I have. Of of course, also
are they stored at Wright Patterson because it seems like
that's where crash retrievele goes. According to Roswell, I have
a podcast on that. If you would like to listen
to it, I'll put it in the show notes. But

(53:48):
one of the representative asked, how come we can't go
to Right Potterson? How can we can't take a tour
of that place? Why don't they show us what's at
right That's a really good question. If Right Patterson isn't
where Crash Retieval goes, then why not just give tours

(54:10):
of it? Why say no, it never happened, but you
can't go on base and you can't look. Come on now.
While they were talking about companies that could be associated,
Boeing came up. And Boeing is very interesting to me
for a lot of reasons. They always seem to have
their hand in the pie when it comes to UFOs.

(54:35):
I was talking about living in Simi Valley, specifically Senna Susanna.
I was talking about how they were doing nuclear experiments
up there, and I was big about it. But because
Boeing came up, let me tell you more about it.
I lived five minutes away from rocket dyne. I lived

(54:56):
in the valley in Santa Susanna, and if you go
through this road, it can go up to the rocket
dying site. It was called the Santa Is Susanna Field Laboratory.
They made parts for rockets up there. They also did
a lot of nuclear testing there. According to the Boeing website,

(55:21):
San Is Susanna Field Laboratory also launched satellites for GPS
and for cell phones. It was a test site for
advanced energy research programs. It says that the nuclear research
ended in nineteen eighty eight. I lived there in eighty nine.

(55:47):
I believe nineteen ninety. Around that time, the rocket engine
testing stopped in two thousand and six. I'm on the
Boeing website right now and let.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Me just read this to you, because it's just easier
that way.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
The sand New Susana Field Labs two thousand, eight hundred
and fifty acres are divided into four administrative areas. Boeing
acquired two thousand, three hundred and ninety eight acres from
Rocket Dyne in nineteen ninety six when it purchased Rockwell's
Aerospace and Defense unit. The Department of Energy owns several

(56:24):
buildings on the ninety acres of Boeing property at least,
and the US government owns four hundred and fifty two
acres that are administered by the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration aka NASA. There are documentaries if you really want
to go down our rabbit hole. There is a fur

(56:46):
part documentary about the Radiation League and the Counciler clusters
and how it affected people in the area. I said
it affected me personally because of my sister. Because of that,
we did ton of research on it to find out
what's going on. When Boeing got involved, they were supposed

(57:07):
to do some cleanup. That was part of the overall agreement,
and they were supposed to get rid of the radiation
and make it nice again. They set it up so
that you can walk the trails and you can run.
And I've been up there since they've cleaned it up,

(57:28):
and they try to make it really pretty.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
And I have a whole.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Story about that too, which I'll tell in just a minute,
because it was a little weird. But anyways, I guess
you can take tours of the old rocket testing areas,
which is interesting to say the least. I don't know
if I like that, but whatever. Under health studies and
the Sanate Susana, there is a section here This says

(57:54):
what were the results for the state study on Santa
Susana Field Laboratory. Is it to that the studies found
higher cancer rates? It says a nineteen ninety seven to
nineteen ninety nine study of Santa Susanna rocket dyne workers
and semi valley cancer rates conducted by the UCLA was
extensively reviewed by a number of experts who questioned the

(58:16):
studies methodology. As a result, Boeing and the United Airspace
Workers Union sponsored a second worker Hall study that was
conducted by the International Epidemiology Institute and overseen by independent
Science Committee compromise of nationally renowned public health and epidemiological experts.

(58:39):
This study, which was completed in two thousand and five
and updated in twenty eleven, was per reviewed and published
in the Journal of Radiation Research. It stated, in reference
to Stemivali cancer rates quote, the extended follow up reinforces
the findings in the previous study in failing to observe
a detectable increase in cancer death seed with radiation, but

(59:02):
strong conclusions still cannot be drawn because of small numbers
and relatively low career doses. The Science Committee likewise concluded
that air quotes the rocket dyne workforce had a much
lower overall mortality than the rate observed in California population.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
There was no evidence that.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Working conditions caused increased mortality in the rocket dye workforce.
So interesting that they're not talking about cancer rates in
the population.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Here's another statement.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Dr Morgenstein says his study found that cancer rates in
the community are sixty percent higher within two miles of
the site then farther away. Keep in mind that we
lived five minutes away from the site, so with it,
we were within five miles. Dr Morgenstern's report states there

(59:54):
is little or no association for total cancers and radio
sensitive cancers among O adults. For the few cancers for
which higher rates reported, the report included that there's no
direct evidence from this investigation. However, these observed associations reflect
the effects of environmental exposure or originating at SSFL, and

(01:00:18):
in his April twenty fourteen study of area cancer rates,
doctor Thomas Mack of USC Keech School of Medicine included
no evidence of measurable site off site cancer causation occurring
as a result of emissions from Santa Susannah. Their official
statement is not a big deal. The radiation from the

(01:00:42):
nuclear leak didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
But we're gonna go ahead and clean it up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
We're going to clean up this non existent thing just
to make you guys feel better, basically. But then why
the clean up, Because they were ordered to do a
lot of cleaning up. They've been cleaning it up for
the good part of fifteen years. They were cleaning it
up and making it special again for the wildlife and
also because of its history because of Native Americans, and

(01:01:14):
because they want to bring the land back to what
it was a and they're talking about Native American cultural
resources and how they're trying to beautify it again. But
what they're not saying on the website is that they
got sued a lot and they went to court a

(01:01:34):
lot and people in the area were pissed off because
everybody was getting cancer. And the camp that was next
door got pissed off about it because it was in
the water table, so it was literally in the rivers
and struments that these kids were playing, and they were

(01:01:55):
forced by lot to do something about it because of
all the things that were going on with this specific area.
They're making it seem like they're doing it because they
want to and because they're giving back to the community.
It's a very interesting story. But what does this have

(01:02:15):
to do with this hearing Boeing? First of all, Secondly,
there have been tons of UFO sightings in the area.
It is a hot spot, and again there is correlation
between nuclear testing sites and UFOs, so I'm not surprised,

(01:02:37):
but there is an obnoxious amount of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
UFO activity.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
And when I was researching Boeing, and when I was
researching this then as Susannah site, and when I was
researching the cancer clusters and everything that goes with that,
there were a lot of sightings that happened or around
that area anytime they did the big testings with steam

(01:03:06):
or with water. I know that the website says that
they stopped doing stuff in nineteen eighty eight, And like
I said, I think I was there in nineteen eighty
nine or ninety because I graduated from high school in
ninety two, but I went to junior High school in
Simi Valley, so maybe it was nineteen eighty eight, now

(01:03:29):
that I'm chegging them out, it was around that time.
It was I was twelve in nineteen eighty seven. Eighty
eight or eighty nine is when I started junior high school,
right around the time that they air quotes stopped using
that in twenty years doing the nuclear testing, but the
ground used to shake all the time, and we always

(01:03:51):
knew something was going on up there at the Field
Laboratory because you could literally hear it rumble and the
earth shaking. I would not be surprised if Boeing has
something to do with UAPs. According to the website, they

(01:04:18):
have their hand in almost every US space program from
the Mercury flights to the Apollo moon landings and the
Space Shuttle fleet. They were doing all kinds of testing
up there, and this whole thing about energy experiments, who
knows what that could be. The thing with UAPs is

(01:04:38):
that they are trying to figure out how they are
moving around so quickly and how they're stopping because we
don't have the technology for that, and we need energy
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Right. Who's to say that they.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Weren't doing energy testing up there and reverse engineering things
and not saying anything about it. Because if they're making
rockets and doing testing up there, and they're doing testing
for all of the space shuttles, then it would make
a lot of sense that they're reverse engineering stuff up
there in the hills and not talking about it. There's

(01:05:18):
a news article from January thirtieth, twenty twenty five boeing
to extract badly tainted soil from burn Pit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Field.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
It says Dan Hurst spent decades advocating for the cleanup
of the centus Zana Field, love known as one of
the most contamidated fields in the US. At one particular spot,
known as a burn pit, workers dumped waiste and fired
rifles at barrels filled with chemical waste to quickly get

(01:05:54):
rid of the waist, igniting the canisters and releasing toxic
plumes into the air over surrounding land. But when a
state regulator said recently that Boeing Company, which owns the
portion of the field where the burn pit is located,
would begin removing radioactive soil from the site, Hirsh met
the news with deep skepticism. They are going to leave

(01:06:18):
the great bulk of the contamination not cleaned up, said Hirsh,
the former director of program of Environmental and Nuclear Policy
at the University of California's Center Crause. He leads the
Committee to Bridge the Gap, a nonprofit nuclear policy group
that focuses on nuclear safety and waste disposal. If you're

(01:06:40):
not going to clean it up, well you do it
for pr.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
There's more to this story.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
I will put the link in the show notes so
that you can read it yourself, but it's very telling. Basically,
this article is saying that they were supposed to do
the cleanup twenty years ago the radiocative parts of it,
and they still haven't done it, or they've done it shitty,
and it's pretty sad. These pictures because you literally see

(01:07:10):
these burn pits and then there's houses built right above
them and around them. Another travesty from the US government. Anyway,
that was a tangent. Let's get back to this hearing.
Another thing they're talking about in this hearing, which they
talked about and the other hearing, is the overclassification of things.

(01:07:35):
One of the guys gave an example of they get
some cell phone video of something happening, and they know
that it's a UAP or they can identify what it is,
and then they immediately classify so that nobody can see it,
even though there is no data on the video to

(01:07:57):
show anything that is sensitive. They classify it top secret,
or they classify it a little below that, and then
it goes into a database and then it's never seen again.
You actually have to go look for it instead of
just having it there so people can see it until
it's declassified, which it usually never is unless a reporter

(01:08:21):
goes looking forward or what's the blower was looking forward,
or or somebody has access to it and stumbles upon it.
The other thing that I'm finding really telling the kind
of thing is that the Oversight Committee Congress has no
idea what's going on. They are not privy to any

(01:08:42):
of this information, and they're just as curious as we
are the general population. They're just as interested and just
as curious as to what the hell is going on.
And they don't have answers either, And when they are
asking about this information, they get blocked two because everything

(01:09:02):
is overly classified. Gresh is growing on me a little bit.
You can tell that he has been in the military
for a very long time, how he's talking about things,
how he words things, his demeanor. He's the perfect person
to give misinformation too. He's the perfect person to spread

(01:09:24):
the propaganda because in every lie there is some truth.
Which part is true and which part isn't. And so
my spidy senses are up because of that. And I
want to like him because of how he conducts himself
and how he knows the vernacular for the military. But
star does Alexando. And I am not a fan of Alexando.

(01:09:47):
I never have been. I know, I'm in the unpopular
opinion right now. I think it is a for profit
martyrdom at this point. And he keeps seeing national security.
These guys are talking about national security. These three guys
are talking about overclassification, about disclosure, and they're talking about,

(01:10:11):
like where are the protocols for this stuff? Like why
aren't we creating protocols people can actually report this stuff
and have a system where people feel like they are
allowed and encouraged to make the reports and think the

(01:10:32):
information goes into a database and it's actually looked at
instead of just classified and then moving on. Because that's
basically what is happening. And I'm one of the congress
persons asked where do you find this stuff? Like how
do you find it? And they all said, we have
to go on a skiff, and we have to tell
you in private, because if you start looking in this

(01:10:53):
one era, you're going to find the bardcrumbs and you'll
figure it out. But it's basically hit it in play side.
I have my chinfoil hat on oways or maybe I'm
just really suspicious, but I feel like the only reason
why the government would be hiding it in plain sight
is because they know what it is, or they know
about it, or they have some stake in it. I

(01:11:15):
am liking Gresh, and now I don't like him anymore.
The Missouri representative is talking about the threat aspect of this.
Has anybody been harmed due to a UAP, and he
basically says yes. He splits around it, but he says yes.

(01:11:37):
And the representative asks, I think his name is Burlson.
He says, what the US government or the UAPs did
they get hurt by the UAPU whe was there some
kind of interference or by the US government? He says both,
And then I was like, there's a lie there somewhere,

(01:11:58):
and I don't know. I don't know what the lie is,
but intuition went, eh, he's lying there. It may be
something else, or maybe he's just not saying what's on
his mind. But later on he says, I can't speak

(01:12:20):
for anything else, but what me and my wife saw
was very disturbing. Representative straight out asks have you seen craft?
Have you seen actual physical alien bodies? Grush says he
can't say in an open setting. However, he lose the

(01:12:40):
fact that he has seen some kind of evidence of
a UFO u AP in real life. All time, again,
we're alluding back to the fact that there are actual
physical pieces of craft, whether a whole or whether through

(01:13:01):
crash retrieval. We tend to assume that they have some
kind of retrieval system but what if they're not retrieving,
what if they're testing, and what if he's been to
the testing sites and he knows where they're coming from,
or he has an idea. That's the other part of it.
I wish there was just more transparency with this stuff
because that's something that needs to be explained. And now

(01:13:24):
we're talking about interdimensionality, the idea that this could be
something interdimensional, and he talks about the holographic principle, the
idea of quantum reality. He's saying that could be how
they are doing this. He says, it's like a shadow,
like they're projecting their shadow onto this reality from another reality.

(01:13:51):
Sounds a lot like portals, which there are theories around
portals and electricity and opening portals through high energy places
like nuclear reactors or even water can act as a
conduit and then you can put energy through there and

(01:14:13):
allegedly portals or open fissures in the time spaced reality.
He even says these are theoretical conversations trying to figure
out what they are and who they are. And then
he said, well, he alleges, and he lays it out
that no matter who you are, what you are, there's

(01:14:37):
always gonna be a level of failure. So there's always
gonna be crashes, there's always gonna be situations that go awry,
because when you have sentience, you also have fallibility. So
it's one of those things where eventually you're gonna run
into a crash, or you're gonna run into something that
isn't working. I I don't know why this part always

(01:15:03):
makes me feel like, Eh, I don't know about this.
You would think I would be more interested in this
part of it, but maybe I've just seen too much
X fols or something, or maybe I've just read too
many OPO stories about crashing trouble and the finding bodies
and finding pieces crashes, or maybe I'm just jaded because
of Roswell. But I don't know where the truth is

(01:15:24):
and where the lies are. And yes, I would like
to believe that there are pieces of these crafts, but
it makes more sense to me that the gidisc goovernment
already knows what they are and it's just hiding it
and knows who's making them. And that's why all this

(01:15:45):
talk about national security. I hate that, because if there
was a national security, then maybe do something about it.
And with the drones, oh, Yeah, there's a bunch of
drones running around. There's a bunch of drones that went
on the naval base. We just look at them and
go interesting. People look around, they get confused, and there's

(01:16:10):
not much said about it, and they're an arcot's investigation.
Shouldn't there be something done if it's really about national security,
shouldn't there be all kinds of crazy searching for it,
crazy investigations. It should be on the top of every
one's list. But yet it just gets pushed under the rug.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Again.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
We saw it with the drones. NASA might be a
part of it, essay, may be part of it. That's
why nobody's saying anything about it. They're like, eh, whatever,
we don't know what it is. And I feel like
that blase attitude always happens when the government knows. They're
just not telling you what a difference a year makes.

(01:16:50):
So Matt Gates, Yes, that Matt Gates, who he's got
the craziest irous and he reminds me so much much
of a Kino, so much with the eyebrows anyway, there's
just something very nefarious about him. There's something very mind

(01:17:10):
controlly about him. That's just my assessment. That's just my
personal opinion. Allegedly, he feels very very mind control, very
syop very probably is part of the temple of set. Anyway,
Matt Gates is talking about the Egglin Air Force Base

(01:17:31):
incident that happened over the Gulf of Mexico. It is
still the Gulf of Mexico. It'll always be the Gulf
of Mexico. Anyway. He talks about an incident that happened
on Egglin Air Force Base, and it happened jener twenty six,
twenty three. A pilot saw a diamond shaped configuration of

(01:17:56):
for you A p during a test mission. He said
that they were a three dimensional and code shaped and
they had gun metal gray segmented panels. Apparently, according to Gates,
and according to this article, that I am reading the

(01:18:18):
for UAP mess with all of their electrical stuff and
radar went off grid and the pilot had to take
a picture of this configuration manually. He said that the
circuit breaker had been triggered, and later on the maintenance

(01:18:43):
technicians were unable to diagnose the fault of the circuit breaker. Anyway,
Gates said that he was denied access to the pictures
and the information around this situation when he looked at it,
and then through FISA requests and through some finagling, he

(01:19:09):
was able to look at the picture and get some
of the information. But a lot of the information is
still classified, and so the whole thing has not come out.
But there are drawings and honestly, it looks like a drone.
I will go ahead and put this information in the
show notes Commander Fever I thought he looked familiar with
the glasses. I just realized that he was on the

(01:19:31):
first episode of Unidentified. Now we're talking about national security again.
Is this a national security situation? They asked the pilots.
If these ups were to attack, could you protect your people? No?
Absolutely not. We don't have the technology for it. Have

(01:19:51):
you seen any technology that is even close to what
you saw? No, everybody says, no, we're not even close.
Even now, when we see them, they hijack our electrical
systems and they scramble everything, and so we aren't able
to deal with that. But even like in the forties
and in the fifties, just like with bombers and other

(01:20:16):
planes that saw UFOs, even with the Munda triangle. The
first thing that people say is that all their devices
go haywire or go crazy. That electrical stuff just fails,
so that a lot of times they don't know where
they are and they don't know what's going on, and
then it just unaccley comes back on and that concludes

(01:20:38):
that hearing. I always look at the comments to see
how people are reacting to this, and they're like, oh
my god, this is great information. Oh my god, they're
saying so much, and I'm like, okay, so I guess
if you're not in the UFO community and this isn't
a passion nerb session, there's something they freak out over.
I've visited Roswell and UIFO crash sites and I've made

(01:21:02):
this my life. Basically, I don't get paid for it,
but whatever ghosts, Bigfoot, UFO, that's my gig. Oh Cheapocappa
and anything I have to do with fairies and portals
on there. And I write books on this stuff. I'm
working on my fifth book right now, and I'm all
over the place all the time. One of my friends
just said, I really love investigating with you because you're

(01:21:25):
willing to go anywhere and do anything, and you don't
think about it. You just want to know the truth,
and then she said, I've gone other people and people
are so reticent to actually explore things, and you're very
like open to it. And I'm like, yeah, I would
do a podcast and I write books about it. I'd
have to be or I'm not going to get anywhere
in my career. Maybe I do get paid a little

(01:21:46):
bit for it through my books, but not a lot.
I can't live off of it, let's just put it
that way. But I guess for the average person who's
not fully immersed in this on an everyday level, who
has made it their entire life, I guess this is
new news. So that's a great perspective shift for me

(01:22:07):
because I'm being jaded on this podcast because look, when
are you gonna get to some information that we don't
know about? This is interesting and it puts it into contexts,
and it gives me a bird's eye view as to
how much Congress doesn't actually know and how much the
government hides from itself. Right. It's interesting in that regard
because basically these things happen, they get thrown in a pile,

(01:22:30):
and then we never talked about it again until twenty
years later. But one of the things that did show up,
and it showed up a few times. Is that. I
guess there was a question from MACE representative of MACE
that didn't make it into the hearing, and I guess
there's nineteen seconds cut out. I did not notice it,
but apparently she asked something about aliens, bodies, entities, were

(01:22:55):
they're towels or something along those lines, and I guess
it was cut out for whatever reason. I don't know
if that's true or not, but I saw a lot
of people talking about it, and I saw where it's
one hour, fifty four minutes he is where it was
cut out. I looked. I didn't see it, but again,

(01:23:16):
that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Apparently there were
clips of something there that isn't there now, and it's
basically Gresch saying that there are bodies, entities, blah blah blah. Okay, cool. Again,
that's nothing crazy. But maybe he wasn't supposed to say it,
or maybe it wasn't allowed and maybe he said too

(01:23:38):
much and so they had to cut it out. I
just thought that was curious, and the people were also
freaking out about the fact that they asked hasn't been murdered?
Doesn't even be hurt because of this, and he gave
a very loosive answer like I can't really talk about that,
which is code for a guess. And so people were like,
oh my god, people are being iced for this. Yeah,

(01:23:59):
this is nothing new. Either, go reach your euphone mythology.
There are plenty of people that have gone crazy that
the look up death that happened to be a heart
attacks or my favorite, people getting hit by cars. That's
like a thing where you're out in the middle of
the night or sometime, or it's dark, and then all

(01:24:20):
of a sudden you get hit by a car and
it's like this crazy accident that happened just so happens.
It's when you've put out some information or you've heard
about some information that is precarious and against the government.
Poisoning is the other one, the good old putin strategy.
If you can't beat them, poison them. Heart attacks, poison

(01:24:41):
and being hit by cars. Those are the three ways
that you usually die. Or the new one, Hey, let's
put a bunch of porn children porn on your computer
and then denounce you as a pedophile. That's the fun one.
That's what allegedly happened to stand Romanac. He's the one
that had that crazy ass video on YouTube a while

(01:25:03):
back where he's, oh my god, the aliens are coming
into my house and then you see the alien poke
through the window and peek through the doorways and he's
freaking out, and I'm like, oh my god, what the
F is this? And he wrote about a bunch of
books and he's got a few documentaries out about his children.
On the other side, he went to jail for having

(01:25:28):
copious amounts of child porn on his computer. Romanic says
that it's a government conspiracy, but then also he was
actually seen on camera planting evidence, so who knows with him?
But that's not the first time that trope has been used,

(01:25:49):
and it's an easy one to do. I'm not saying
that Romanok is innocent. I don't know. I think he's
a little shady, and I think some of this stuff
he talks about is it's out there even for me.
Who knows at this point is he really crazy or
has he been shown to be crazy as a misinformation campaign?

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