Investigating the Gabby Petito Case with Psychic Insights

In this episode of the NVus Alien Podcast, Stephanie and I dive back into the Gabby Petito case, revisiting it through the lens of both psychic investigation and new developments stirred up by the recent Netflix documentary.

We talk about how we first tuned into the case back in 2021, doing a psychic read in real time while the world was glued to the headlines. Now, with fresh eyes and more details out in the open, we compare what we picked up back then to what’s come to light.




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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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of all things true crime.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
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I'm just sitting here, doom scrolling and listening to the
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I remembered Heather does tarot readings, so naturally I had
to hit her up because I was obsessing over whether
this guy was going to ghost me for the third
time this month, and also pretty convinced my boss is
a cryptid. She pulled the cards, spilled the interdimensional tea,

(00:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the Envious Alien Podcasts. This is
Heather and Stephanie's here again and we are talking about
something completely different. This is nothing in conspiracy theory. We're
going to be talking about the Gabby Petito case. In February,
there was a new Netflix series that came out about it,
and it made us remember something that we had done

(01:41):
together in two thousand and twenty one, and we want
to go back to it because I think it's really
important to talk about it, and it has to do with,
strangely enough, psychic abilities and how psychic abilities were. What
do you remember about it, stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
About the case or about our reading of it. I
don't watch a lot of mainstream media. I only got
bits and pieces about the case and the events that
were happening. Really, my first interaction with the case was
doing the true crime reading that you wanted to do.

(02:20):
And so then we all got together and started pulling
cards and trying to determine where Brian Laundry was. Because
Gabby's body had been found, we knew that she had
been strangled and he was missing. We thought we would
use our abilities and see if we could find out

(02:41):
where he was.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And for those who don't know who Gabby Petittio is,
she was a twenty something who went van lifing with
her boyfriend and he came back with her van and
went to his parents' house and then didn't talk to
her parents or anybody, and it got a lawyer right away.

(03:06):
Her body was found I think three weeks later, strangled,
and then he ran away and went into the Everglades
and basically shot himself allegedly. And I say allegedly because
that goes back to some of the things that were

(03:27):
in the Netflix documentary that we're going to talk about.
Anything else that I had left out, I'm trying to
give like a very short synopsis of it, because that's
a whole other podcast.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
You can watch the Netflix documentary or read any of
the articles about the case, because there are several.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
We were trying to get the timeline correct because it's
been four years since we did this. Hey, this is feature.
Heather and I did create a timeline so that it's
a little easier to understand what happened with the Gap
of Potato case. If you haven't seen the Netflix documentary
or you haven't followed this case like a crazy psychopathway

(04:06):
I have. Here is the breakdown of what happened. Gaby
Buttito was a twenty two year old travel vlogger from
Long Island and she wanted to live the van life
and she saved up a bunch of money working and
then she bought a converted twenty twelve Forard Transit connect

(04:29):
and she was going to go on the road with
her fiance, Brian Landry. July second, twenty twenty one, the
couple leaves Florida for a month's long van life road trip.
They hit national parks and they shared a lot of
stuff on Instagram. They like only shared the good stuff though,

(04:50):
but behind the scenes they weren't doing very well. They
were testing the boundaries of the relationship and it wasn't
all what you saw on Instagram. Brian especially was not
happy with the situation. So on August twelfth, this is
like a month later, in Moa, Bututah, a witness reports
Laundry slapping Potito. They call the police. The police bodycam

(05:13):
shows Gabby crying admitting that she slapped him too. They're
separated for the night and no charges were filed, but
there was like a lot of controversy around it. Because
it seems like the police pretty much sided with Laundry
because Gabby was crying and she seemed a little hysterical,

(05:37):
but she was very emotional about the situation. No charges
were filed, nothing really happened, And you can watch the
bodycam video on YouTube and you can see right away
there's a situation where Laundry knows how to talk his

(05:59):
way out of things, but he is probably the abuser
and the instigator. Anybody who's been a survivor of domestic
abuse recognizes the science. August twenty fifth is Gabby's last
known contact. She texts her mom and then that's her
final Instagram post, which is really odd for her because

(06:23):
she used to posts all the time. So on August
twenty seven, there's the last footage of Gabby alive. It's
seen in Jackson Holmewayomi and it's captured on a CCTV.
They're walking around in the Whole Food August twenty seventh
to August thirtieth. Laundry's phone and Gabby's are used after

(06:45):
her disappearance. All the funds are withdrawn from her debit card,
and it's suspected that Laundry is the one that is
doing all of this. On September one, Laundry returns back
to Northport, Florida with Gabby's van. He just shows up

(07:10):
without her. He doesn't talk. His parents asks the police
to direct questions to their lawyer. It's really weird because
he comes back, the police show up at their house,
and again more body cam footage, so you can actually
see it if you go on the Netflix documentary, all

(07:31):
of this is documented, then you can see the whole thing,
the whole timeline. But anyway, he goes to his parents'
house with the van. Something happens there, we don't know what.
The police come and his parents to say, we're not
talking to anybody. They've already lawyered up. On September eleventh,
Gabby's mom reports her missing. Four days later, Laundry is

(07:55):
named a person of interest and they're trying to figure
out what happened to her, and of course Laundry and
his family are like, nope, we're not talking. Talk to
our lawyer. Like they lured up so quick, which is fine,
but like at least give the family a little bit

(08:18):
of hey, we don't know really happened, or like just
don't stole all the family. That's just ridiculous anyway. Human
remains are found at Spread Creek in Bridger Teaton National Forest, Wyoming.
The autopsy showed that Gabby Petito died by homicide by

(08:38):
blunt force and strangulation. On September twenty third, FBI issues
an arrestaurant for Laundry over the unauthorized use of Gabby's
debit card. September thirteenth through seventeenth, Laundry vanishes from home.
Parents report him missing after they say he disappeared on

(09:02):
September thirteen. Police earlier mixed him up with his mom
during the surveillance, so they thought he was walking around,
but it was actually his mom's. September thirteenth through seventeen
is important to the rest of this podcast because this
is the timeframe that we are talking about. So basically,
he just disappears. Nobody knows where he went, Nobody knows

(09:24):
where he's going. His parents, of course, aren't helping at all.
They don't want to have anything to do with it.
There's this big long search on October twenty Around that
time in the Florida and Nature Reserve, it investigators fine laundrys,
remain and belongings. They found a diary. They found some writings,

(09:49):
but the body is really decomposed because it's really hot there.
It says. Dental records confirm its him. His parents found him,
they knew right where to look. It's very strange. Gabby
Potito's mom actually thinks that Laundry's parents killed their son

(10:12):
and that's why they knew where the body was, because
they would rather have him dead than live life in jail,
and all evidence was going towards him killing Potito. Also
in an interview, she said that one of the things
that was missing from the van was the mattress, and

(10:37):
all of her belongings were put into a closet. November
twenty third, twenty twenty one, forensics exam reveals Laundry died
from a self inflicted gunshot wound. On January twenty twenty two,
after I Release's journal entries from a notebook found with Laundry,
and it he confesses to killing Gabby. Really confess he

(11:01):
made up a story that doesn't align with what actually happened.
What the autopsy showed and what Laundry said were two
different things. So this case blew up on social media
like big time because of the domestic violence situation and
that body cam and Mohab. Again, people were very touchy

(11:24):
about it because it's obvious that Laundry had some kind
of issue and was actually probably the perpetrator. Gabby's family
filed a wrongful death lawsuit. They filed one against Laundry's
estate and parents and they settled for three million dollars

(11:45):
in twenty twenty two. And then another fifty million dollar
suit versus the Moab police over that incident because they
should have recognized the signs of domestic abuse. The Moab
one got dismissed due to Utah's sovereign immunity, and the
family is appealing. The Netflix documentary is called American Murder

(12:12):
Gabby Potito and it was released in February of twenty
twenty five. Anyway, let's get back into the podcast and
this will all make sense why I told you this,
and we'll get right into it. I am a true
crime officionado. I guess in my spare time, I love

(12:33):
to watch true crime stuff and I listened to a
lot of true crime documentaries. It's a weird guilty pleasure.
I know. I should have better hobbies. There are certain
cases that just kind of stick with me and the
Potito case, for whatever reason, really bothered me. I think
it's because of the abuse aspect, where he was what's

(12:58):
his name, Brian Laundry, Thank you. I can't even say
his name because I'm so annoyed by it. But he
was very abusive, but was under the radar because he
had a good front. He presented as very docile, but
then he was very emotionally manipulative and emotionally abusive. And
there was something about him from the very beginning that

(13:19):
I just was like, Oh, there's just a feeling that
you get if you're even a little bit intuitive looking
at him. Did you get the same vibe or how
did you feel about him? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:31):
I got the same thing. There's something that's not right.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
If you watch the documentary and it goes more into
who he was and his family life, and just a
little bit more about him as a person. He has
a very entitled kind of personality where just because he exists,

(13:59):
you're supposed to care to him. Kind of energy.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
He feels explosive to me. He's cool. You flip that
switch and he's going to go off.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Anyway. In twenty twenty one, I was doing a lot
of classes in psychic development, and one of the things
we used to do is go through true crime stuff
and see if we could figure things out. Some of
the cases were older, some of them were unsolved, and

(14:33):
some of them were solved. But it was just to
get the idea of pulling from a different source and
moving outside of yourself to see if you could get information.
And so we had a few people on this call
and it was shortly before he was found. He basically

(14:56):
went out in Florida, so you know, it's all there's
woods there, but it's also very like swampy and he
went out to this place that he's used to hiking.
He wrote this note and journaled and basically lied about
how Gaby died and then allegedly shot himself. We were

(15:22):
trying to figure out where he was or if he
was alive, because there were a lot of sightings of
him a lot of different places. And we decided that
it was what the weekend of two or three days
before he was found, and he was found on October twentieth,

(15:46):
so it had to be that weekend before he was found.
He was found on a Wednesday. From the timeline that
I could, we just chronicled from articles. It was that
because I know we did We usually did stuff on
the weekends, so it would be a Saturday, Sunday or

(16:07):
on Monday, and he was found on that Wednesday this video.
Do you remember anything about it?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
I remember we started pulling cards, and then our friend
Rachel went and found his human design chart and started
going through his chart and talking about the centers and
how he didn't know when enough was enough and because
of the way that his chart is that it would

(16:35):
have been really easy for him to get carried away
and strangle her or do more than he intended. And
then from there we started pulling more cards about trying
to find where he might be and if he was
still alive.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Poor did I don't remember her doing that.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
I don't remember what all she was talking about, but
I do remember that, so I think she was just
looking at the centers to see what was defined and undefined.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I don't know anything about human design. How did you
feel about his chart?

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Honestly, when she was talking, I remember hearing her talk
and points, but I didn't pull up the chart. I
didn't look at it, so I was just letting her
do her thing. I know I pulled cards. What I remember,

(17:32):
is most of what we were getting. He wasn't dead,
he was still alive.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, this is where the idea of this podcast came from,
because it's weird how this happens, and it's something that
I want to talk about because it happened in the
election too. There was a lot of pushback from it,
and so let's keep going with the story and then

(18:02):
we're gonna wrap back around. It's gonna make sense here.
Interestingly enough, the minute that I heard that he left
his parents' house, my first thought was he's dead. He's
going to kill himself. That's the end of that. I
was just a gut feeling that I had before I
pulled cards or anything. I knew they weren't going to

(18:26):
find him alive. But it's so fascinating because I didn't
say that. I think I did in the very beginning
of the video, and then I just left it alone
because everybody got a completely different reading that he was
still around.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
I remember and I still feel it that as we
were going through the reading, I sense that he was
alive and he was somewhere in like the appellations, like
he was going north. But that's all I got. I
didn't know anything else. So then later when they revealed

(19:10):
that they found his body, I was like, I don't
know about that. That doesn't seem right. Obviously, that is,
I guess the logical thing, right, It would be logical
for him to go somewhere and kill himself, and it
makes sense that they would find that. But there was

(19:33):
still part of me this, Yeah, I don't think it's
really him, because my feeling and intuition that he was
alive and he was going north was way stronger than
him being dead.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, everybody else on that, I think there was You
would be Rachel. There was like two other people and
I can't remember who it was. Everybody had the same consensus,
which is, yeah, he's I'm not dead, He's going somewhere.
And I remember around that same time there were a
lot of sightings of him going north, and there were

(20:10):
a lot of sightings of him in places outside of Florida.
And then, strangely enough, and this is a really weird
detail that I still can't get my brain around, but
do you know who found his body?

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Wasn't it his parents?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah? His parents walked right up to where he was,
like they knew, which either means they knew where he
was the whole time and didn't say anything, or they
had a really good, sneaky suspicion of where he would
go and just didn't say anything, or it was planted.
I'm not saying that it was planted, but it is

(20:54):
a really strange detail, like why would his parents know
where he is, knowing that his mom wrote a letter
to him and said burn this after you read it,
which you didn't do. That basically said I would do
anything for you. If you killed somebody, I would bury

(21:14):
the body for you, et cetera, et cetera. So she
didn't care whether he was guilty or not.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
This reminds me a lot about that case that we
did the reading on about the girl in California that disappeared,
Which one the one where the parents made like the
basketball goal, basketball court or put some sort of pavement
in the backyard.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
This is not ringing any bells.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
And she was a college girl and she went home
with the guy and then she disappeared and they could
never prove it was him. His parents were interfering. They
did some sort of cement work in their backyard not
long after the investments.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I know you're talking about. Yes, this is a lot
like that case. What is her name? Hold on, it's
Sam Lu's abyspo. They didn't do a they didn't do
a basketball court, but the body was allegedly in his
backyard and they covered it up and they made a patio.

(22:29):
They actually just convicted him. Oh really last year?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
How did they do that?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Jeanne Kristen Smart is her name? Paul Flores was the killer. Yes,
his parents completely kept interfering. He was sentenced to twenty
five years to life because because they had so much
evidence that he had done this to other people, and

(23:07):
there was some DNA evidence that showed up around her,
and even though they didn't find the body, they found
enough stuff and also the dad went to jail for
a little while for interference.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Anytime you talk about the parents, I always think about
that case in relation to the Gabby Patito case.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, because his parents didn't care if he did it
or not. I'm sorry I thought it was last year.
It was in March tenth, twenty twenty three, is when
he was sentenced. That's another thing that really bothers me
about this case is why would he go and kill himself?

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Obviously he had no remorse because he took her van
and drove across the country, So why would you just
go kill yourself?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
And he took money of her account to pay for
the trip back.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah, because if he was just going to kill himself
because he felt guilty, he could have done that anywhere.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
And he wrote a goodbye letter to her something or
a goodbye text saying that something about how he took
the money and that was the end of it. They're
square or something like that. This whole case is so
freaking weird. And then you were reading up on the
strangulation aspect of it. Then Moab, they were stopped by

(24:32):
the police because he slapped her and they got to
an argument on the side of the road, and then
they let them go, and they put her in the
hotel and let him stay in the van, and made
it seem like it was her.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Fault because she admitted to slapping him, so they tried
to frame it as she was the abuse. But in
this article, what they're discussing is all of the mistakes
that the police department made, and it's like a review

(25:14):
of those trying to give them recommendations on what they
can do better in the future since it was not
handled well.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
At all.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
It says. There's several things here that they did not do,
like they never reported that Laundry struck Petito, they never
contacted the nine to one to one caller that reported it.
Says here. Reeves said the officers quote twisted themselves into

(25:47):
notts to try to avoid an arrest because their sympathy
for the couple, stating that Pratt deliberately tried to coach
Betito to answer questions about her intent and hitting Laundry
in a way that would allow Pratt to avoid arresting her,
and this says. Reez also noted that the officers did
not follow up with any questions about how Patito sustained
her injury to Laundry and as they address the errors,

(26:13):
says Laundry reportedly grabbing Petito's face an attempt to calm
her down was quote an extremely personal, violent and controlling act,
Ratcliffe rights. Even though it didn't cause significant injury, it
could have been indication that Laundry was the long term
predominant aggressor in their relationship, according to Ratcliffe. Solist with

(26:35):
the State Domestic Violence Coalition said that bidirectional violence is
common in abusive relationships and there are times when someone
who has been a victim shorter long term responds in
the same manner in which their abuser treats them, an
act that is more commonly known as self defense or
violence resistance. This say is in some of these instances,

(26:55):
short or long term victims may be legally considered and
subsequently charged the predominant physical aggressor. But because they were
not familiar with the behavioral health and the domestic violence
protocols that they probably should have been, they didn't recognize
those warning signs when they were investigating the couple.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
If you watch the video, and I'll put the video
in the show notes, they were like chumming it up
with him, like making it seem like she's just some scary,
crazy bitch that was hysterical. It's cringey to watch it.
It just feels so much like they're sighting with him

(27:41):
and he's putting on this act like, yeah, I have
to put up with this. It's very triggery to watch
because he knows exactly what to say and how to
act to make it seem like it's not what it is,

(28:02):
which makes you think he's done it before, or he's
been groomed in this way to think that kind of
behavior is okay, to the point where it even seemed
like she believed it that whatever he was doing was okay.
Isn't strangulation a very personal kind of way to kill somebody?

Speaker 4 (28:21):
I used to get emails from the Institute of Strangulation
Prevention because I took HOPE training through their partner organization,
and they always want to draw attention to strangulation because

(28:43):
if somebody is a strangler, then they're more likely to
escalate and kill somebody. Their big thing is helping to
bring awareness to law enforcement that if somebody had as
the tendency to strangle, then the statistics for the victim

(29:10):
to die go up significantly. There's like major warning signs
in those types of relationships and those issues that really
need to be addressed before it escalates to the point
where we have another Gabby Patito case.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Going back around to what this is about, I think
one of the reasons why everybody was so adamant about
him running away is because the likelihood of him just
going and killing himself seemed very minor because he was
being so protected by his family. He didn't seem like
the kind of person that felt guilty, just because basically

(29:49):
he took her van, left her on the side of
the road, and then didn't talk to her parents at all,
didn't even mention that she was missing, and went on
with his life like nothing happened when they found him
two or three days later. Were you surprised.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
It didn't feel right? I was a little surprised when
you said it, But then at the same time, I
wasn't surprised because, like I said, it's the logical next step, right,
that he would disappear and then you'd find his body.
Even now, it doesn't sit right. There's something off about

(30:33):
that scenario.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
My first instinct was so correct. So where do we
go wrong? We have a bunch of psychics in a room, intuitives.
We're all different, we all have variou psychic abilities, we
all work in this field, and at any given time,
everybody either does readings, did readings, or has had some

(30:56):
kind of successful business in this field. So we're not
talking about people who have no track record. And in
my head I thought about this for days, like, how

(31:18):
do we get it so wrong? Because even my cards
showed that there was gonna be some machine against that
he might be alive. So I was like, Okay, why
did the cards go so long? My first initial reaction

(31:38):
was just he's dead. But like you said, that's a
logical conclusion. It's just an instinctual thing. But I often
wonder what happens in those moments. I was thinking, was
it just group It's the high mind thing where one
person says and you're like, oh, that sounds right, and
then the cards just go along with it. Maybe, but

(32:00):
I'm usually not that susceptible to it. I'm pretty adamant
about keeping my vision on things because a lot of
times someone will say something to me and I'll be like, no,
that's not how I feel about it, and ride or
die with my thoughts, even though sometimes they're wrong. What
about you? Are you someone who hiby minds? Are you

(32:22):
somebody that really just sticks to your guns?

Speaker 4 (32:25):
I think it depends on the situation, But there's a
lot of times that what I say is completely different
than what everybody else has. It's and then later you're like, oh,
that's why she said that.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
True.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
But I remember when we were talking about it after
they found his body, we were discussing how do we
get it so wrong? I think one of the ideas
was we were pulling from the collective idea, like the
collective drama and not necessarily reading the actual situation.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Oh yeah, so we're reading from all the conjecture of
to where he was.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
And now that was the ideas we were tapping into that,
which was also confusing because we normally don't connect into that,
especially us as a collective. We usually don't do that.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Because usually the energy of us when we're doing readings
is stronger than the collective energy. There's an amplifying effect
that happens in around a lot of psychic people and
a lot of times that will carry through. It'll be
the carryover that will get you through the universal chatter. Yeah,

(33:48):
it was confusing to me because I'm like, why do
we pick up on all of the theories around this?
How did that happen?

Speaker 4 (33:56):
I put Brian Laundry's birthdate and for a chart, which
I don't know the time of birth, so I had
to play around with different times to see what really changes,
and not much changes. I'm pretty sure he was a

(34:17):
projector emotionally defined. But he is a scorpio. We know
that because he's born November eighteenth, but his incarnation crosses
a right angle cross of contagion, which I know well
because that is mine also, and it's very passionate. I

(34:38):
see how he could be charismatic and have people just
get on his side and go with his ideas. He
has an open sacral so he isn't going to know
when enough is enough, and he's going to continue. And
with that emotional volatility, since he's emotionally defined for his authority,

(35:04):
then yeah, thanks could escalat really fast. And he has
a defined spleen which is very instinctual, which would make
sense for you if he's in a heightened emotional state
and doesn't know how to stop or cool himself down,
that he could lash out and do what he did.

(35:29):
So yeah, I would have to agree with what Rachel
said back then. Just from what I remember, it's a.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Very intense kind of situation. Because she's a pis season
if he's a scorpio. I could see how she could
be very attached to him and attract to him and
not even know why. There's some kind of deeper instinctual
need to be with him. There are like two intense

(35:57):
water signs coming together and then loifying each other's intensity.
I could see how they're like Yeah, let's travel the
world together, like being in the illusion and thinking it's
going to be all perfect, but then not really knowing
what to do with each other when things get bad,
because it's a very love hate kind of relationship.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
As I look at this chart, since I don't have
his birth time, so we can't be one hundred percent confident,
but his unconscious Mars is in gate twenty eight, which
I don't see that Mars probably changed through the day
because it doesn't change that fast. If it was in

(36:41):
the moon, then that would be different because the moon
is constantly moving and changing. So twenty eight is struggle.
Here's what the little blurb says. The impetuous energy residing
in the unconscious Mars is what you activate physically when
you find yourself in a disagreement. So he is designed

(37:06):
to fight and to struggle. There's another underlying, I guess,
flaw in his makeup. So you combine all of that
and that's just a recipe for a disaster for somebody
that's living out of their shadow.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, and I'm sure his family just being okay with
anything or whatever he does that didn't help the situation.
No discernment whatsoever where she was very much about I'm
gonna work, I'm gonna make the money, I'm gonna have
my dream, I'm gonna make it happen. It's a totally
different enemy where he expects someone to do it for him.

(37:50):
You can see the causticness of this because you have
one person that's willing to work for everything, and then
you have another person that's willing to.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Take two emotional water signs that are going to fight.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, and then they go on a road trip in
this very small, tiny area and then they're stuck with
each other. I could see how that could be a
recipe for disaster. Now we're back in twenty twenty five
and we're in February and I'm watching the Netflix documentary,

(38:28):
which I wasn't going to watch. It's interesting how this
plays out. Not because I'm not interested, but because I'm like,
I've already seen this. I've already been through it. My
cards were completely wrong, everybody's cards were completely wrong. I
don't want to touch this. You know what I mean?
This is there's nothing in this documentary that I probably
haven't heard before because I've been through the gamut with

(38:50):
this one. I've watched too many documentaries already. But then
I'm on TikTok and everyone's have you seen the new
Gabby Potito Netflix documentary? I don't think Brian Laundry is dead,

(39:11):
And I'm like, wait what. I'm scrolling through and I'm
finding more and more of these videos, because if you're
on TikTok, if you listen to one video on a subject,
then they give you a ton more videos on that subject. Yesterday,
I had the misfortune of watching a video on the

(39:34):
viral Dubai chocolate. I was trying to figure out what
the filling was, and it's pistatio, by the way. But
because I watched that video, I got to watch twenty
other videos about fucking pistachio and I don't care. But anyway,
I ended up watching all of these videos about how

(39:56):
everyone thinks that Brian Laundry is a lot and that
his family planted a body, and I'm like what. So
I watched the documentary and there isn't a lot of

(40:16):
new information in it, by the way. There's some texts
in it and some new people and just some little
new information about how the bodies were found, and a
lot of video from the police when they interviewed the families,
and you can clearly see that Brian Laundry's family like

(40:41):
basically said fuck off, I'm boring up and then didn't
talk to police at all. So they were protecting him
from the very start. But as you're watching it, I
could totally see how after watching that people don't think
that he's dead at all. And I don't know if

(41:03):
it's the editing, if they were even alluding to it,
but just after going through all this stuff with the family,
you come to the conclusion that there's no fucking way
that they would let their kid go out into the
middle of the Everglades and kill themselves. There's no way

(41:25):
they were so protective of him. Why would they let
him do that. This kind of drove me crazy a
little bit because I was like, wait a minute, hear
me out. What if we were picking up on the future.

(41:45):
I don't know how to explain it, Especially with psychic stuff,
there's no distinction and energy between the past, present, and
the future. And even though people were saying we've seen
him here, we've seen him there, we've seen him there,
that doesn't really matter because energetically you're going to read
the whole situation, whether you like it or not. And

(42:06):
who knew that in four years' time there would be
this big push or change in thought process when it
comes to Brian Landry and whether or not he was dead.

(42:27):
We could not have known that, but we certainly could
have read it. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
If we are asking the big question is he dead
or is he alive? We're going to pick up on
everything that has to do with that question, right, not
just immediate circumstances.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Looking back on that reading like you were talking about
Kristen Smart which is that one lives in my brain too,
But I don't remember doing or reading about that with everybody.
I don't remember even talking about it this one because
we were air quotes wrong. It stuck with me hard,

(43:14):
and some of the things that we said are very
closely related to what is being said now, which is
there's no way that he would do something like that.
He had to have gone somewhere. He probably wanted to
start a new life. His parents would have totally catered

(43:39):
to that because of that note. Now, we didn't know
about the note during this time. The note hadn't come
out yet. But all that stuff is now out and
everybody has the bigger picture, and like there's a seventies

(44:00):
already split where people absolutely think that he went somewhere
and started a new life and the family knows about it.
And it's really interesting too because his family is strange,
where his sister goes online and talks about how he
was abused by the media and how he was abused

(44:23):
by the Patito family and that nobody knows the real him,
and like the whole narrative is shifted with that too,
where they're talking about how Yepi Petito was the instigator
and how she forced him into a situation where he
had to be an aggressor.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Oh, he had to be an aggressor.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Rights time, right. She posts all the time about how
there's two sides to every story and that he was
very much abused by her. There seems to be this
narrative shift completely with this whole situation. But I just wonder,
do you think we were picking up on the future or.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
What actually happened. I'm just saying it. Maybe we picked
up on the truth. Yeah, it's interesting because we could
be picking up on this narrative and that could be
because that's what we wanted to happen. Or we maybe

(45:33):
that timeline had already started to shift.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Even then, I didn't even think about that way. The
split was already starting to happen, because there's two timelines
going at the same time, one where he's dead and
one where he's not dead. It feels so strange that
I'm sitting here in twenty twenty five and still thinking

(45:56):
about it, and still talking about it, and still wondering
about it. And this where I am now feels closer
to what we were picking up on than when we
were actually doing the reading.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
It feels more accurate to me that they would have
faked his death and he is living somewhere hidden and
going on with his life.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
What does that say about abilities as a whole? Like?
How do you parse out the past president in the
future in a reading?

Speaker 4 (46:34):
That's a hard one because sometimes you don't even realize
that you're reading a different time frame than what you
think you are until after the fact and more information
brings it into your awareness.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
That has happened to me so many times, it's happened
to you too, where we've literally been going, Okay, we
get this information, what the hell does it mean? And
then it doesn't mean anything until it does, and I
just wonder what does that say about free will?

Speaker 4 (47:10):
I think that's where people get tripped up when they
are trying to use their psychic abilities to come to
an answer or a conclusion. Is they're trying to put
it into a narrow box of what it means or
give it some sort of containment, when you could be

(47:34):
picking up on something way outside of that, and then
the whole message is getting distorted because of it. And
I feel like there's some sort of discernment that goes
into it, But you also have to step back from
what you're trying to read. And what comes to mind,
since I'm having problems describing this in words, is that

(48:00):
it's not logical. It's not from language. Like all of
the information you're receiving psychically is like right brained. So
instead of trying to keep it in that right brain
frame a reference, we try to move it into a
left brain and when we do that, I think that's

(48:21):
where it gets mixed up. And when we try to
put it into a timeline that maybe it doesn't go in.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, it makes sense. Okay, what site is your right brain? Again?
That's your the.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Creative that's what I thought.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
It's thoughts, words, pictures. It's a jumble of sites, sound,
and texture that you have to.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Figure out, right, So if you put too much of
a filter on it, then your predictions and your ideas
about what you are receiving get distorted, and then that
makes it confusing or you're giving very outlandish readings like

(49:15):
Jesus is coming back in the spaceship to save the world.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, yeah, I love because people really think that you
haven't listened to that podcast.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Go find it.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
We talk about that. Yeah. I think that's the misconception
when it comes to psych a will is that it's
linear or that it's something that is concrete, and you're right,
it's not. It's like playing pictionary with the universe. I
think that's why people use tarot cars and use divination

(49:53):
is because it helps remaining to it. It gives it
a system. It's easier to read. But then and again,
like in this situation, we're reading the situation, what are
we reading it in the future? Are we reading it now?
Where are we reading it? Because it's all the same energy,
and if it's all the same energy, then we're going

(50:15):
to pick up on every single aspect of it not
just what's in the now.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Or if you ask a question, say about a baby,
and you get all this information that you think pertains
to that baby, and then you find out later, oh, wrong, baby,
we're talking about another baby. For example, where you're asking

(50:44):
a question and you think you're getting the information for
what you're reading on, when really it's a completely different
situation that has the same parameters.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, that actually happened to us. She's not making that one.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Up, surprise.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
That's the perfect example. I don't want to get too
into the details because of my personal life. However, we
thought we were reading a situation about a baby that
was very close to something that happened in the future
with another baby, and it was very strange because the

(51:27):
situations were almost identical. However, I did not know about
the other situation until what a month later? Yeah, if
even Yeah, but we were literally reading the situation that
was going to happen, not the situation that was happening.

(51:48):
And what is that? Is it? Because we asked about
a baby.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
It could have been not clarifying because if I just say,
tell me about the baby.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
And it's okay, I'm going to tell you about this
baby in the future that it doesn't even relate but
has similar energy.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Again, it's that future thing, And that seems to.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Be a trend I've noticed, is that we pick up
on energy and our readings seem to pull out information
that isn't necessarily related to what we're asking about. It

(52:40):
is and we think it is at the time, but
then we find out later we're actually pulling from another
situation in the future or something that we did not
know about. Because even what we've been talking about with
the Crescent and the information that we got at the Crescent,
it's the same thing part of the Crescent. It just

(53:03):
seems like there's all of these like overlapping ideas and
these overlapping stories where we think we're reading one story,
but then we're actually picking up on this other story.
So even with the White Lady and the girl, we

(53:23):
were reading both of them at the same time, or
like with Theodora, like now we didn't really have an
idea about why we were going to the Crescent, but
then now we're seeing, Okay, we were directed there, and
even in that first visit to the Crescent, we were
directed there to assist that, but we didn't understand what

(53:46):
that was until we went back the second time. And
maybe that's why I kept looking up at Theodora's room
from outside, is because that's the point she was trying
to get to us, Is that recognition and remembrance because
she was helping them to get there.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yes, so we're going to have to go back and
tell people what we're talking about. Let's do a little recap.
Let's give the short version, Okay.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
So in twenty twenty one, a group of us went
to the Crescent Hotel in Eureka Springs, Arkansas and had
a very eventful night of ghost hunting. Then the next summer,
my husband and I went on a weekend trip and

(54:39):
two Eureka Springs in the area looking at houses, and
we met up with Heather and went to dinner at
the Crescent, mainly just because I didn't know what else
was in town and I knew where the Crescent was
and it was good food. So we went there, and
then we had another mini investigation and discuss read more

(55:00):
information that related to our first investigation there. And now
Heather is writing a book about it or adding it
in her book.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yes, I'm putting it all together for this section in
the book that wasn't really supposed to be there in
the first place, which is weird because when I queried
for it, it wasn't in the book, and that the
last minute, I was like, this is going to be
in the book, and I don't know why. So we're
adding it and now everything's coming together. But it took

(55:35):
us four years to figure that out of sitting on stuff.
And the only reason why it's coming together now is
because I'm having to make it make sense. Not that
I'm forcing it to make sense. That's not what I'm saying.
It's that in order for me to write it in
a book, I have to have the narrative correct or

(55:56):
else there's a point, so things are to light. But
you're right, it's another situation. We think we're reading the
energy of now, but we're actually reading the energy of two, three,
four years later. I don't know how these relates, but

(56:18):
it does relate in my brain.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Part of the situation with the Crescent is that there
are people that need or want to be remembered. And
I'm wondering if this is Gabby Potito's way of needing
and wanting to be remembered, because if we're talking about
Brian Laundry. Then we're talking about her. They're forever going

(56:45):
to be interlocked. But even doing this podcast, we're still
thinking about her and remembering her and talking about how
she was abused and how this is a shitty situation
and it should have gone better and the reasons why
it happened. So she's forever going to be in the

(57:05):
memory of anybody who thinks that he is alive. And
it's a really strange way of not being forgotten, but
it seems to be working.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Right because if he just killed himself and he was gone,
that's the end of it, and then they're both lost to.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
History, and I would not have suck in my brain
like it did where I'm talking about it again, there
are things that stick in my brain. There are lots
of things that don't obviously where you're like, remember this
one time and I'm like, what the hell are you
talking about? Was I there? But then there are certain
things that just stick that I can't quite get out

(57:50):
of my head. And it's usually the stuff that's important,
or these are the stuff that like, actually we come
to a conclusion with it, we're like, oh, that's why,
that's why.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
What if that's why you're so into true crime, because
that's like your whole thing is got's your gift is
to help these lost souls be remembered.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I do talk about them a lot. I don't mean to.
It's only certain cases too, Like a lot of cases
I don't really care about. I'll watch them and I'll go, yeah, okay, whatever.
But there are certain cases that just get under my
skin where I'm like, no haunts me to this day.
The girl Alisa Lamb, she climbed up the water tower.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
That's the one.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I was gonna say, yeah, that one until it gets
solved and everybody says it solved, I'm like, no fucking way,
it's not. No. It sticks with me. But yeah, I
never even thought of it that way. I don't know.
Maybe it's some kind of weird thing where the universes,
this is what we're gonna do. We're going to force
this upon you. Congratulations. But it does beg the question

(58:59):
how how psychic abilities work and how do we navigate
the universe and how do we pick up on energy?
And what exactly are we picking up on that? I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
I guess that's a big question.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
It is, so I got to ask Okay, so this
brings me back into like current events, which is the
Trump presidency. Now, did you pull cards on it at all?

Speaker 4 (59:29):
When you were having issues and it wasn't making sense,
you asked us to pull some cards, and I did
pull a few cards, But I don't think I got
anything either. I don't remember. I wasn't getting any definite answers.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
That made no sense to me either.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
I had the Queen of Cups, nine of Pentacles, two
of Swords, Queen of Swords. I think it's the eight
of Wands. Maybe maybe it's the seven Ones. I can't tell.

(01:00:12):
I don't remember what card that is. And then the
bottom of the deck was the Hangman.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
The very mixed bag. That's very let it go because
you're not going to get it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Yeah, that's why I say, I'm like, I'm not getting anything.
I was not getting either. Timeline the Two Swords is
in the middle, so it's being at that crossroads. You're
not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
The Equato swards is interesting too. That's like people talking
about it, people speculating about it. It's a lot of
talk but nothing being done.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
I think it's supposed to be the eight of Wanes.
I use the butthole deck wild unknown. Yes, so it's
a lightning strike coming down and then the wands are splitting,
so they're all going different directions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Of the country're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Yeah, there was no direction when we did these readings.
When was that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I think it was in like a couple weeks of
the election. Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
I will find the image in my photos and tell
you exactly what day that was. It's a last picture
in October, Okay, so it was towards the end of
October that we did the reading.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Yeah, so it was very close to the election, and
even then it wasn't set in stone, which is really
weird because if you would think, if you're like, what's
the election of number fourth, number.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Fifth, Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
It was number fourth this year, I believe. But four
or five days out we should have a pretty good
idea what's going on. I just remember in previous years
we always pull cards and it seemed very straightforward. This
one was very strange. But it wasn't just us. A

(01:02:10):
lot of people online and there's this whole thing and
this whole discourse about it because people online were like, no,
Kamala is gonna win because I just don't see Trump
as president, and I'm like, yeah, I don't see anybody
as president really. Sure? The energy was so off and
it's still off. And I go over all those readings.

(01:02:32):
If you want to hear about how me whinge about it.
I have two podcasts about it, with all of the
cards and all the explanations, and I go through every
little detailed aspect of it because it bothers me that much.
What I'm thinking now I was going to ask you
about this is do you think the reason why we
couldn't see Trump as president is because he's not really president?
He is in theory, he's in the seat, right, Is

(01:02:55):
he really president?

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Is he really calling the shot and acting as president? Yeah,
that's a good question. Maybe we should pull cards on that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I wonder is the reason we can't see him as
president is the same thing that's happening with the Gabby
Patito and with the president and all these other things
we're talking about. Is it because there's some kind of
future event that's going to change it? Or is it because,
like with Trump, we find out about the nar we'd

(01:03:27):
find with the Seven M Movement, we find out about
Elon Musk, And then I don't know how many times
he said that he rigged the election. I think we're
at four times now. He keeps telling everybody he did it.
Maybe that's the confusion. Even as I'm talking right now,
there's some kind of future event that's going to be like, Oh,
that's it right there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
When you said, oh, there's a future event, I'm like, oh, yeah,
that makes sense. I don't know what that's about. But
let's see. I've got a deck of cards right here.
I'm going to start with so below deck, see if
we can get some practical information. If not, we can

(01:04:09):
go to the ads above deck and see if that
can tell us anything about the overarching energy. So what
we're reading, like this future event or what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
We can read that, and then I think we should
look at Brian Laundry one more time. Let's do the
Trump thing first. Because I don't think people on the
internet are wrong. I don't think psychics are wrong. I
don't think I'm wrong. I think we're all picking up
on something that is about to come that we don't
know about yet. There's all this talk about how like
you can't trust astrologers and you can't trust psychics anymore.

(01:04:43):
On TikTok, and I'm all, that's not true. We just
don't have all the answers yet, we don't have the information. Yes,
we got the election wrong, but in two or three
years are we going to be wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Still, there was definitely some sort of a shift where
the perspective changed from Biden and Kamala to Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
And I don't know what that shift was, who or
what made that decision, but there definitely was an energetic shift.
We just had waited out see what's coming.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, And I think that's the issue, is that we
want these like results really quickly, and so every one
you can't trust psychics or toe readers on TikTok. And
then I'm like, you're missing the point anyway, I'm miss
using a regular writer weight check. That was the first
thing I saw.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
What question specifically the energy of the election.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Was that good? Or is that too broad?

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Not that we're passed it. Maybe we can get an
answer what happened with it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah, I'm curious to know what you got.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Nine of Chalices, Ace of Wands, the Devil judgment, and
ten of wands?

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
What does that mean to you?

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
To me? The nine of cups is about celebration, an
accomplishment on this card is a birthday party, and people
are like celebrating and blowing out candles and drinking wine.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
I think the outcome was what was supposed to happen.
For whatever reason, people were happy. There's a lot of
people that were celebrating ace of fire, ace of wands.
So I think the idea that Trump has was meant

(01:06:52):
to be something good, but there's been some manipulation that
has come in and overtaken that because then we have
the judgment and the tent of wants. Whatever has happened
has overwhelmed the system. And with all of the changes

(01:07:17):
and the layoffs, everything that they're doing, like the consequences
aren't being thought through because of whatever they think the
endgame let's see justice. I think they're trying to balance

(01:07:37):
something out and rewrite something or make it a right. Yeah,
the wheel. Yeah, So they whoever has taken control and
taken over, there's somebody I think in his inner circle,
whether that's Musk or that's somebody else, they're in there.
They're manipulating things, changing things around because they feel like

(01:08:04):
whatever they're doing is writing some wrong that has happened.
But in reality, it's just destroying everything, and it's adding
under burdens to our experience. But I'm in the dexa Emperor.

(01:08:25):
There's somebody behind the scenes pulling the strings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
It's not Trump though, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
No, it's somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
That explains the idea I don't see as being the president. Well,
I got the Nine of Wands, the Strength card, the
five of Swords, the seven of Cups, and the eight Wants.

(01:08:56):
The nine of Wands is like a battle wounded ego
or a loss of some kind. The whole point of
the card is like, hey, you feel like you've lost,
but don't worry. Look at where you came from, so
you didn't really lose. There's more ahead. It's a loss
for now, which alludes to the fact that there's something

(01:09:17):
else coming up. Strength card is patience. It's yeah, you're
not seeing the whole picture. You haven't got all the
information yet, so chill. Five a Swords, though, is like degradation.
It's everybody out for themselves. It's you're being shown one thing,

(01:09:40):
but that's not actually what's happening. A lot of two
facedness with that Seven of Cups means that there's too
many people in the pot. You have too many chefs
right now, and then the aid of wants is, Hey,
it's all gonna right itself, and it's gonna make sense
here in a minute. All it's saying to me is
is that there's information that's coming. The energy is too

(01:10:05):
off right now. It's like a sling shot where you're
pulling back, but there has to be the equal and
opposite effect. It's going to come back around.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
You could read my cards that way too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
With justice in the wheel, it goes in tandem with
yours because you're saying somebody else is calling the shots,
and I got that seven A cups with just too
many shots. There's too many people mudding the water.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
I've been exploring this idea because the whole world is
throwing a temper tantrum right now over this whole tariff thing,
and I can't decide if it's because Trump is setting boundaries.
There's a reaction to the boundaries because if he's right

(01:11:00):
and it hasn't been equal going both ways, you said
a boundary, people are going to throw a fit and
they're going to react, and we see that with the
whole world throwing a temper tantrum over not buying American
and pulling out. But then the same time, Trump is

(01:11:23):
Trump and he's doing his thing. But then there's a
bunch of companies that are coming in from other countries
and they're pledging millions and billions of dollars to work
in America. What's really going on? Are people wanting to

(01:11:45):
be here to build our infrastructure and build us up?
Or are they all rejecting us? And to me, it
is like the same thing we did to Russia with
the sanctions. Yeah, so is the whole world seeing us
as Russia now the Trump Yeah? Yeah, because there's this

(01:12:10):
persona of Trump and so everybody's reacting just like they
reacted to Putin or they do. But in reality, neither
one of them are really representative of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
They're just representative of what they want, their little egos
and what they're doing. Right, Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Yeah, I don't know. That's what I've been exploring. I'm like, okay,
so we're like what you were saying with the seven
A cups, and there's too many people in the pot.
Like I think that maybe why we had this security
breach that we did is because there's too many people
trying to call the shots, and too many people trying
to be in there and telling Trump what to do.

(01:12:59):
And in the side, Trump is a manifesting generator, which
means that he's going to make mistakes, and he goes
through things and puts things in the action really fast
because he's trying to find shortcuts to make things easier.
But when you do that, things get left out, so

(01:13:20):
then you have to backtrack and fix it. Unfortunately for us,
that is affecting everybody and not just him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
At this point, from these cards, it just feels like
things are going to right itself. It's all going to
come to light.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
I'll use this other deck and see what it tells us.
On the higher energetic level, we can tell what's going on.
We have.

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
The eight of water, the three of air, the nine
of air, three of fire which is Venus, and the
ten of air tear carts.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Okay, so nine of air here in the middle is
it has to do with odin there's a big tree
with the noose.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Usually that's the hangman. That's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Yeah, so what does it say? Why is it the
nine of air? Let's see ruins is what it's supposed
to be. Great wisdom but by the way of suffering
and sacrifice. The three of air is a crystal ball

(01:14:49):
which kind of reflects Venus, and the pearl on the
other side, which is a three of fire. I don't know.
I don't get these to cups, which is usually about
walking away. But she's stirring a cauldron magic and transformation. Okay,

(01:15:11):
So we have the cauldron magic and transformation, alchemy going
into crystal ball perception images, and then your knowledge could
be good or bad, but you may also be sacrificing

(01:15:34):
something to know the answer. Then we have venus or
aphrodite attraction. I don't think it wants to tell us
that's what I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Oh you want the answer, but that answer may come
at a price. Answer you might not like. The answer
is very attractive. And then we got the tent of
air at the end, which is somebody with tarot cards reading, Yeah,
you can try with your little cards, but do you

(01:16:11):
really want to know the answer? The next card is
four of water, and it is a woman standing on
the side of a well, fire in one hand and

(01:16:32):
a white liquid in her other hand. So I have
a feeling this is supposed to be bridgid us a
feeling of some sort. Oh, there's a bit of pain involved.
Long run promises relief and smooth sailing, so the same thing.
Do you really want to know? You can try, but

(01:16:55):
it's all going to work itself out. It these are
growing pains.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
I think it's one of those things where a year
from now, or even by the end of this year,
we're gonna know. It's gonna all make sense. I don't
think all the information has come out yet. I think
there's gonna be something I don't know. It's a future event.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
This could be why I got all of the all
of the air cards. That could be why I'm getting
all of the different types of difnation.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
What you're doing right now is what I do all
the time. I look at the cards and I go,
I don't know if this says And I'm like, for
I've been reading cards for the good part of thirty
five years. Why why does this not make sense to me?
Let's pull one more, one more card, and then we
shu wrap this up about whether or not Ryan Laundry

(01:17:48):
is actually dead. Okay, that should be a lot easier
to read.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
It should be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yes, where'd you get six A?

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
Cups, aid ones, Priestess, ten of Swords, and the Ace
of Swords.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
What does that mean to you?

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
And I got the King of Wongs on the bottom,
so it's most definitely talking about him. I think he's
still alive.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
I hate to say it, for the cards I got
says the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
I think he's with family somewhere. I think there's other
family members that are hiding him because the six of
Chalices or six of cups in this is like a
mom and her kids like having a tea party, and
that's followed by the aid of one, so it was
something done quickly. So I think other family members or

(01:18:41):
even maybe his parents got him out of their fast.
With this high priest's card, it has a moon and
then it's a woman standing up next to an illusion,
like a mirror image illusion of herself. The Ten of
Swords is a phoenix. I think they moved him really fast,

(01:19:04):
and he has some sort of alias or he's taken
on some sort of persona and living a different life somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
So weird, so efing weird. Even to this day, it
still comes up the same way I got the Ada
Wants Too, which is like fast trouble moving quickly, getting
him out quickly. I bet you anything, he's in Canada.
That's why you guys kept seeing North. I remember somebody

(01:19:41):
saying he's in Canada. As a Cup's new life, new beginning,
two have wons. It's another identity, two identities, shifting identities,
moving on to something else, a new life. Aida Sword's
feeling trapped by it, Paid of Cups. That is a

(01:20:04):
message about it, or ideas of it, or him making
an appearance, or some kind of news around it, or
it could just be the talk of the Netflix documentary
and people on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
And all that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
It makes me think that people aren't too far off
from the truth. And it's interesting because I'm looking at
it and I'm like, I'm not reading the energy of
the conjecture. I know I'm not. Am I just reading
the energy of TikTok. Let's see Queen of Cups, nop,

(01:20:48):
Queen of Cups is you're being a psychic person, You're
not being a conjecture person. After all of these years,
four years later, we're still coming up with this exactly
the same conclusion. Nothing has changed except for the narrative.
People just caught up. That's weird. Why it just is

(01:21:12):
it is interesting because we read Ryan Laundry really quickly.
The when we asked about Trump, it was like, hold on,
I mean all of my guys and all the energy
from the universe, because I don't know what the fuck
is going on.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Let's consult the book. What do these mean?

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah? Different energy?

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
All right, Brian Laundry is alive somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
You're right, I think. All I want to say is
that just because you think you're wrong, it doesn't mean
that it is. You might be picking up on something
future oriented. You might be picking up on something you
just don't know yet. So wait things out a little
bit before you decide.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Your journal is your friend. Write it down, Yeah, write
it down, and you're gonna go back in three years
and be like, oh, that's what that meant.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
You gotta let this stuff like marinate a little bit.
Like being psychic doesn't mean you have the answers right away.
It just means that sometimes you have to let it
all come together. Yeah, all right, everybody see you on
the flip side.