The Enigmatic Prophecies of Human Design and Global Shifts

In this episode of the NVus Alien Podcast, Stephanie and I go down the Human Design rabbit hole. Not just the charts and types, but the apocalyptic prophecies baked into the system itself. We’re talking about the strange transmissions of Ra Uru Hu, the originator of Human Design, and his predictions about a genetic shift in 2027 that could birth an entirely new species. Yes, really. The Rave is coming. Allegedly.



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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
You are listening to the NVS Alien Podcast with your host,
Heather Woodward, an award winning psygig, supernatural author and lover
of all things true crime. On this show, we're going
to deep dive into topics so don't usually see the
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and of course aliens. Sit back, grab a cup of tea,

(00:24):
and let's get on with the show.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, everybody, welcome to the Envious Alien Podcast. This is
Heather and Stephanie again, and today we are talking about
human design, prophecies, the shift into a new being and
this goes right along with what we've been talking about
the Naar and theosophy and praying for AMAgeddon. This is

(00:57):
part four in that series. It all goes together, even
though it doesn't feel like it does. Stephanie, you are
the master of human design. Some gonna let you take
the lead.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Human design is a typing system, so just like Meyer's
brig or something similar like that, but instead of asking
you questions about yourself and your personality that's inherently biased.
It's based on your birth data, so we're actually looking

(01:31):
at how you were designed to be as a person.
Before any conditioning or manipulation by the outside world. When
we think of human design and charts, that's what we imagine, right,
the human design chart with all of the astrological signs
and the numbers and all these different colored sections and chakras,

(01:55):
and it can get really confusing and in depth very fast.
But the thing is a lot of that stuff is
just telling you how you operate, and yes, you can
use it as a tool, but it's really not necessary sory.
There's just there's a few basic principles in human design

(02:19):
that we can look at that can actually make a
profound change or impact on your life. There's a lot
of people that want to look at the human design
chart and say, Okay, this is who I am. I'm doomed,
I have to follow this and there's no expansion or growth,

(02:39):
and they put themselves in this tiny little box and
that's not really what it is. Because it's based on
archetypal systems, we can predict in a fairly accurate way
how you are going to respond when you're in a

(03:00):
fearful or reactive state, or like your shadow state or
conditioning state. And it also gives us a potential for
what you can become and who you can be when
you get out of that shadow state and as you
raise your consciousness and become more empowered and sovereign with yourself.

(03:25):
It's a really nice empowerment tool to help you navigate
when you're trying to get out of this sphere full
reactionary mode that most of the world is in and
the chaos that we see. So that's the benefit, but
that's really not what we're going to talk about today.

(03:47):
We're going to talk about the prophecies and the global cycles,
the foundation and the framework behind the chart, because there's
a lot of talk about it. Just like there's a
lot of talk of the end days and the second
Coming in Jesus and the bringing back the Kingdom of God,
there is a very similar prophecy in the human design work.

(04:12):
We're going to talk about the global cycles, but before
we do that, I want to talk about raw Uru who,
who is the person who brought this work forward, and
how it came to be in his ideas and philosophies

(04:32):
and his prophecy, and how other people that have used
his work have created their own prophecies. Raw Uru Who
which was not his name, that is his ultra spiritual
name that he acquired after he had his encounter with

(04:53):
the Voice, which is where he received this information for
the human design chart. So supposedly he was not spiritual,
and he really wasn't spiritual after the fact either, but
for some reason, he is the one that received the
information and began distributing it. In human design, he would

(05:16):
be considered a manifestor that's his design, which is somebody
that is designed to initiate projects, ideas and things. So
if we're looking at it energetically like that, it makes
sense that it would be someone like him that would
receive the information to put forth because then he's initiating
the process and then other people could pick it up

(05:39):
and modify it and make it their own because to him,
human design was never something that belonged to him. It
belonged to the collective. He just happened to be the
one that received the information first and could disseminate it.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Is this the same raw that the channeled raw from
those books one books? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Those I don't think so, Okay, I think rah Uru
who is just the name that he. I don't know
if it was given to him by the voice or
if he just changed his name. He always just called
the entity the energy, whatever it was that he communicated
with the voice. There was never a name given to it.

(06:31):
He received the information in nineteen eighty nine, which was
when the energy from the supernova in nineteen eighty nine
was received on Earth. So supposedly with the supernova, as
the energy came to the Earth, it brought forth with
it this information that we now know as human design. Personally,

(06:58):
I don't know if I believe all of that. I
think he probably did channel something and he did have
the insight to put all of the pieces together, But
some of the information in the human Design overlaps with
a lot of information in theosophy or ideas that came
from theosophy. So I don't know if he's picking up

(07:23):
on the energies that the earlier theosophist picked up on
and he was just able to elaborate on it more
because he was not spiritual and didn't have that filter
and could see it more for what it was, or
if he actually did study a lot of their work

(07:43):
and he's just putting his own spin on it. The
main reason I say that is because in the Lessons
of human Design, originally we were a seven centered being,
meaning seven chakras, just like you see in all of
the metaphysical stores right the seven chakras down the center,

(08:05):
all in rainbow order. But in seventeen eighty one, with
the discovery of Uranus the planet, we had a shift
from a seven center being to a nine centered being,

(08:29):
which means that our solar plexus split into two chakras,
and our heart split into two chakras, giving nine chakras
that the energy could then flow through. So then it
opened us up to a different consciousness and we had
a different way of being. But the only correlation is

(08:53):
just the discovery of Uranus.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Why would that change our system?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Though exactly that doesn't make sense. There has to be
something else. But there are a lot of cycles in
time type of discussions in that same era, like the
Mayan calendar had a point that was estimated to be
like seventeen fifty five, and there are some other like

(09:22):
Christian ideas like Jehovah Witness and some other theories that
had the end time set in eighteen forty eighteen forty
four something like that. So there's still like this energetic
cycle shift of some sort that happened around that era.

(09:43):
But I don't know what that is. I haven't been
able to find any information about what that actual energetic
shift was that could have happened. When we look at
this map that has now split into centers, it is

(10:03):
very similar to Leadbetter's map of the chakras, because in
his system, the spleen was a chakra, and then he
had energetic pathways because at the same time people were
experimenting with kabbala and different correlations between the different systems.

(10:25):
That wasn't something new that Raw came up with because
it had been happening for the eighty years before that.
So that's why I question it was he's setting theosophy
because it's very similar to the map and layout that
Ledbetter has made.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
A lot of theosophy has to do with seven principles
or seven root raiss It would make sense that he
is pulling from that and then changing it.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Okay, So then we go from this now expanded nine
center being that fully awakened or we fully embodied in
the eighteen hundreds, because the people that were born before
this expansion have now died off. Now everyone living is
now as nine centered being, and that is just a transitional,

(11:26):
transitional framework for the human being, so he called it
Homo sapien intransit us because we are paving the way
for a genetic shift to happen in twenty twenty seven,
which aligns with a bigger global cycle where a new

(11:51):
form will emerge that he called the Rave, So it'll
be a new being that'll be separate from humans and
eventually will overtake humans and be the new species that
goes forward. Essentially, humans are in their final days, We

(12:11):
are dying out, and this new like superhuman that has
all of these capabilities that we don't have is going
to emerge and eventually rule the world in this new Earth.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Do you think he was picking up on transhumanism and
AI or is it something else raw.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
He was a very I was a pessimistic kind of
guy because all of the early human design verbiage was
made to shock people out of their conditioning. There's a
lot of like scary and negative wording in the original

(12:59):
human design information. He was always focused on the condition's
self and how people respond out of fear and conditioning
to ideas and situations. A lot of his prophecy because
this is based on cycles in human design and looking

(13:20):
at the different gates and how we're moving through them.
So he's taking these archetypes and these ideas and he's
putting that pessimistic spin on it and seeing the worst
that could happen in a lot of the situations.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Do you think he was just fear mongering.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
I don't know if I would consider it fear mongering
because he in the video that I linked, he says,
I'm not trying to cause fear. I'm just telling you
like it is pretty much. So there was I think

(14:02):
like this idea that he had that it was practical
to tell people this information so that they could know
about it, because the solution is to navigate through your
design and your inner authority. Even though there's all this

(14:25):
crazy things that are going to happen and we're going
to lose our fertility and the systems as we know
it are going to collapse, we can still navigate it
and we can still find our way. But just it
wasn't hopeful, But it wasn't a very I don't know,

(14:50):
because it's like scary and that it's not I don't
know how to explain it, like what I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
What's happening now where it's very bleak and we're going
to distill be an era at the moment where every
day when I look on the news or I read articles,
I'm like, what the hell is going on right now?
This is nutty crazy. But then we have a lot
of people that are pushing back on it because they're like, yeah,
we need a new system. Yeah things are screwed, but

(15:20):
this is not how you do it. You don't tear
apart this system for no reason.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
You have to have a right.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
You dismantle it in a way that's a little more
user friendly and less chaotic. Intutally, that's what I'm getting
from what you're saying. But I don't know if I'm
following the wrong path here.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
He was trying to be realistic with what's going to
happen and what he saw happening. But I think that
some people have taken that tooth extreme and some people
have taken it literal. This is what's going to happen.
I believe just what he told me. There's no expansion.
These babies that are going to be born that aren't

(16:00):
going to be able to interact, and they're going to
be pushed aside into these psych wards or hospitals, and
then they have this collective consciousness that's going to make
them untouchable by anybody, and there's far superior and humanity
is at a detriment. And that's what a lot of

(16:25):
the ideas around this prophecy are. And now there are
other people that learn from raw that have gone on
to expand on that or change that idea, and some
are focusing more on the practical aspects of what you
can do to navigate and not get caught up in

(16:49):
the fear. And we can, I don't know we can
talk about those people because they all have their own
perspective on what is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
And this is in twenty twenty seven, so in two years.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Right, twenty twenty seven. So the overall global cycles in
human design are based on the procession of equinoxes and
the cycles that the Earth goes through. It's on a continum.
It's based on the eaching because that's the outer circle

(17:24):
in the mandola that goes around and that's aligned with
the astrological aspects. We can look at the different incarnation crosses,
which has to do with the position of the Sun
and the Earth at any given time in this global
cycle that we're currently in is there about four hundred
eleven years. It's called the Cross of Planning, which is

(17:47):
very tribal oriented, very structured. It's like all of the
structures that we see in society, everything that we have built,
our institutions, our colleges, our banks, our healthcare system, even
the philanthropic groups that we have, it's all based on

(18:12):
this agreement in the tribe, in society and the collective
that you do this for me, then I'll do this
other thing back for you. We've expanded into this big
globalist nation because of this underlying energy that we have
that's in the Cross of planning. So as we transition

(18:34):
out of that cycle, which happens in twenty twenty seven,
we're crossing into the cross of the Sleeping Phoenix, which
is more about individual empowerment and resiliency. A lot of
the traditional structures that we have will probably dissolve. We've
seen that for several years now that things are starting

(18:54):
to dissolve, and the focus is going to be more
on self awareness, our individual sovereignty, sustainability, and how when
we are in right alignment with ourselves, then we can
turn and we can help the collective. But we have
to be in a good position, and we are going

(19:17):
to take care of ourselves before we turn and take
care of everybody else, because right now, nobody cares about
you and your individuality. They just want you to work
for the tribe or for the corporation. Right so there's
going to be that sort of a shift. We're already
starting to see the shifts that are happening now because

(19:42):
it's not going to be an instantaneous thing. We've been
somewhat transitioning into this for several years. So some of
the ideas are that it's been happening in phases. The
beginning of the cross of planning started in sixteen fifteen.
Then it at the end of the seventeen hundreds we

(20:02):
supposedly had this shift into a nine centered being. Than
in around twenty twelve, right the other mayan calendar major year,
there was another energetic shift that happened that kind of
pushed us on this trajectory to your path. And I

(20:22):
think it's Richard Redd that talks about that and those
three different cycles, because wherever you were energetically in twenty twelve,
whether you were focused towards this higher consciousness focus for

(20:42):
the future, or if you were on the holding on
to the traditions and the kind of like lower consciousness
way of living. You were set on that trajectory in
twenty twelve. As we move forward through this transition, the
people that are set in their ways and trying to
hold on the transition and aren't focused on this expansion consciousness,

(21:09):
they are going to die out and then we're going
to be populated with more of an expansive consciousness, self
empowerment group of people that will be going forward. But
Richard Rudd also he does the gene Keys, he has

(21:30):
a more expansive view than raw does of this prophecy
and this cycle, but he also sees it as a
new species emerging.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'm so fascinated by that part, Like the new species.
Does that mean that we are evolving or devolving? I'm
not even sure right now, because it seems like we're
going backwards.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
For Richard Rudd's work and the gene Keys, he focuses
a lot on the genetics that underlie the whole system.
Because genetics is involved in the human design system, because
it relates to the sixty four hexagrams of the eating.
He pulls in this science y genetic portion to it.

(22:17):
As your consciousness shifts and changes based on epigenetics, you're
going to express your genes differently. So his idea is
that because of this expansion in consciousness that we are receiving,
and because there is such a shift towards that individual

(22:37):
empowerment in twenty twenty seven, genes are going to be
expressed differently. So the children that are born after twenty
twenty seven are going to have a higher capacity to
reach to higher levels and consciousness. They're going to be

(22:57):
more open, more aware because of the energies that they're
receiving and how their genes are being expressed. So they
will be the beginning of this new species that evolves
because they are going to be more conscious, more spiritual,

(23:19):
more aware of this collective dynamic that we see because
we're all in like collective energy like dynamic when we're
in groups, but we're not necessarily aware of that consciously.
So supposedly this new species of children will be aware
of this group dynamic, in this group energy and be

(23:42):
able to communicate, so be more telepathic and open to
their psychic senses and be able to communicate that way.
But he doesn't think that humans are necessarily going to
die out. He sees two different species coinciding, just like

(24:05):
in the past there's been different hominid species that have
coincided on the Earth. So that's how he sees it,
and his trajectory expands out further hundreds to thousands of years,
where he sees where we're in this longer cycle is

(24:28):
where if we when we look at like the theosophy
information about the different root races, we started as this
light being that then forgot what it was and became
condensed as a human, and then we're on this cycle,
this trajectory up to where we are gradually evolving back

(24:50):
into this light body, breath arian species that will be
mostly one with God.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
So the idea of the new set of people that
are more telepathic and more like group minded like I've minded,
that has been around for a really long time. I
don't know where I was reading about that just recently,

(25:24):
about how because of texting, I think it's part of transhumanism,
it goes along with that. But because of texting and
because that we're having to communicate in a different way now,
because we're not so face to face that we are
moving into a timeline where people are going to be

(25:47):
more telepathic and more intuitive because they don't have the
physical social cues anymore to go off of, so they're
having to read between the lines, and that progressively turns
people more into the consciousness or the universally consciousness. So
I'm wondering if that's part of it, because there are

(26:12):
other studies that show that the Internet and all of
the focus on our phones is killing off people's brains.
But then the other side of that is, yeah, but
we're also learning how to communicate different It's not that
it's it's like it's killing off certain parts of our communication,

(26:33):
but then it's lighting up other parts. I don't know.
Do you think that has something to do with it?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Possibly, And it's really hard to predict because I want
to be realistic and see how what we are doing
now and what we're experiencing is playing a role for
the future and seeing those patterns just in a realistic way.

(27:00):
But then I also want to take this bigger, like
spiritual view from consciousness perspective and see just the overlying
cycle and the turning of the wheel that is automatically
going to shift things. So I think it's both right.

(27:23):
It's a macrocosm and the microcosm. So I think the
energy has influenced specific actions that are perpetuating where we're going,
which it could be something as simple as a vaccine
that is changing our fertility and our genetics, and technology

(27:44):
that's making us more telepathic, or it could be something
bigger than that too.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
I guess we never know, and it feels we decide
these things or we always predict how humans are going
to evolve, but it never quite hits the mark because
it just changes into what it needs to change into.
We always think that we can predict that, but I

(28:18):
don't know if we can. When I hear these prophecies
and stuff, I always wonder where they're getting their information
from or how they're perceiving it. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah? And Karen Curry Parker, she's another student of Roz
that has gone on to do her own thing. She
does a quantum human design, which is different language, and
that's who I study through for the professional stuff with
human design and in her book, because she has a

(28:51):
book called the Quantum Human and there's actually bonus content
online for that. It's a whole course explaining all the
details about this shift. She says, in that information, we
can only predict from our current filter and from our

(29:12):
current energy, and the consciousness that's coming is something completely
different that we've never experienced before. So it's really hard
for us to determine or really know what's going to happen.
It's just like at the beginning of this last incarnation
cross in the sixteen hundreds, their consciousness and their ideas.

(29:34):
If they were to try to predict what's happening now
or even one hundred years into the future, they wouldn't
have been able to comprehend it because the consciousness wasn't there.
So with all of these prophecies, whether we're looking at
the human design or the theosophical lens or even the

(29:58):
Christian lens, all has to do with the way we're
filtering it and interpreting it. So we can never have
a hard set idea on how it's actually going to
be because we don't have any reference point to it.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, that was said way better than what I was
thinking in my head.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
But yes, in Karen's idea, So her is very high
vibe because her whole thing is about manifestation and being
in the energy that you want to create.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
And not reacting out of fear, but out of like
emotional alignment. So that's the basis for all of her
work and the way that she does it. So when
she looks at this shift that's happening in twenty twenty seven, okay,
supposedly the circuitry and the way that the energy flows

(30:59):
through the charge is different, which I don't really buy
into that either. I think the energy is always there.
You just have to be at the right consciousness to
access the different information. Because they're like the classical contric teachers,
the gurus, the practitioners. They were able to access the

(31:23):
consciousness and the ideas that we have access to collectively
now in the six hundreds, like they were able to
step out of the cast system and see how that
was just a mental construct and that wasn't really who
they were, and they were working on clearing conditioning, which

(31:46):
was not normal for the time. That was not the
mindset and the consciousness of the collective. But they were
able to access that information. So that's why I'm this
whole chart and energy shifting and changing directions. I don't
think that's really what's happening. I think we're just able
to access it in a different way. But Karen's idea

(32:11):
is like she doesn't think that there's this other human
species that is evolving either. She just thinks that we're
becoming more sensitive, more intuitive. She does speak about star
seeds and the kids started appearing in the seventies and
the eighties that are more sensitive and they don't fit

(32:32):
into the mold the same way that a lot of
the other generations did. So she just sees it as
like the shifting in the way that we behave and
aligning more with the spiritual aspects and what we're doing now,
Like I think we've already tapped into this energy shift

(32:53):
that's coming and aligning ourselves with the way we want
to feel and the way we want to be valued
and not working from this reactionary, fearful, outdated mode of being,
and it's more of a co creative way of being.

(33:18):
So then as you raise your vibration and you start
to live in alignment with who you really are, then
that allows other people to shift up in their consciousness.
So then everybody is living at a higher level and
we can create and produce things in a different way

(33:40):
because we see it in a different way.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
That does make sense. How does that affect us in
the times that we're in right now, and the whole
idea of theosophy and the nar and everything, how does
it all cross reference.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Before I do that, I do want to mention that
even in Karen's ideas, because we do have the shifting
of the energies, she really buys into the idea that
the cows are causing global warming, and that in the future,

(34:18):
because the energy is shifting away from the mammalian connection,
that we aren't going to rely on meat and it's
going to be healthy for us, and that being vegan

(34:41):
is going to help us raise our consciousness even more.
So I think there is some truth to that, because
when you do eat healthier food, you do raise your consciousness.
But I don't think that we need to destroy the
cows and all become vegans in order to get there.

(35:03):
I think it's more of a shift to sustainability and
sustainable living and seeing like the factory raised chickens and
the cows and all the problems that we're seeing right
now are going to fade away, so we're going to
be more aware of where our food comes from and

(35:27):
getting back to nature like the way it used to be.
But with a new awareness of it.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, I don't think cows are the problem, but I
do understand where the thought process comes from. I find
that as I get older and the more that I
move into this stuff, the less that I want to
eat those heavier foods, or the less I want to
eat just cows in general. I know a lot of

(35:57):
people that have been doing that where they're like, just
makes sense to me anymore. But I don't think it's
the cow's problem, like they didn't do anything, you know
what I mean. I don't think it's cows in general.
I think it's just we sometimes we evolve out of things.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
I also feel like because of these ideologies around like
veganism and the harm that we're doing to the animals,
that people are shifting to that form of diet, even
if it's something that in the future does happen, and
we are shifting that way, but they're doing it prematurely,

(36:40):
and their bodies are suffering because they're not getting what
they need from that diet because they're energetically their body
isn't there.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
There's a Kelly Brogan's program that she does, the Vital
Mind Reset. She discussed this at a lot because she's
a psychiatrist and she worked people with mental health, and
she found that a lot of them needed more meat.
They needed the red meats specifically because it helped to

(37:17):
ground them and they weren't getting all of the nutrients
that they needed to get out of that fight or
flight mode to re establish good mental health. I don't
think we take that type of perspective on it and

(37:39):
how it can be beneficial to us to have that,
And I think that's a discussion that's been pushed under
the rug with a lot of the other discussions that
people have ulterior motives with.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
The ulterio motive is veganism.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Not just veganism, but the underlying ideas, because there's obviously
the higher idea of not wanting to harm animals, and
there's how was a book, I don't remember what it's

(38:19):
called now, but there's this idea that veganism came out
of kind of one of these religions or ideologies that

(38:40):
it was promoted as a way of population control because
it reduced fertility if you weren't eating meat.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Oh, we're back to that. Yeah, why does it always
go back to that?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
So, like Kellogg and a lot of the companies that
created like cereals and the gram crackers and those types
of products did it out of this idea of population control.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
It does make sense, and it goes along with everything
else we've been talking about how population control seems to
be a thing where either they want to get rid
of the population or now we're going to make more
babies because I don't know. Jd Vance always talks about
how everybody needs to have more kids, and I'm like, Okay, yeah,
that's the answer. Sure, a lot of women are deciding

(39:43):
not to have children on purpose, and apparently that's a
bad thing. But do we need more children and more
people on the planet right now?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Probably not. We don't even know how to take care
of the ones we have. Let's fix the problems that
we have and then we can see if we need more.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
There's always this let's have more kids, but then like,
we don't have any systems to actually support these kids.
We have a housing shortage, people aren't making what they need,
food prices are going up. They're trying to dismantle all
federal funding for anything related to kids or education or families.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
That is true. We want to pull it all together
we do everything that we've been talking about. Yes, we
have talked about the New Apostolic Reformation and their Seven
Mountains movement. Then we talked about Theosophy and all of
the branches so anti Baissant Scientology, i AM movements, you

(41:04):
name it, like pretty much everything is related to the Theosophy.
And then we talked about Friends of Israel and their
End of Times prophecy. With all of these movements, they're
all predicting this this transformational point, like this critical point

(41:26):
of where there's going to be this huge shift in
the way that we exist. But they all have their
own way of doing it, even though there's a lot
of commonalities. I have a summary chart that chap GPT

(41:47):
made for me how these all overlap, and it's pretty
much everything. They all have a global transformation prophecy. There
is a shift to some sort of internal authority, even
though some of them do have this authoritative outer role.
They are focusing on prophetic visioning or things that the

(42:13):
internal individual is doing. There's some sort of awakened or
elite guiding group. There is this idea of the apocalyptic
end of days that transitions into this utopian vision of
what the world is going to be like there's some

(42:34):
sort of interaction with spiritual intelligence, whether that's Aliens or
Jesus or God or the hierarchy or the voice, and
the individual is a key to this collective shift that's happening.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
We're all picked up on the same energy. It's just
how you put it together.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I think it's just the way that you're filtering it
that plays out. It's the same sort of thing, right,
you're filtering it and you're interpreting it based on the
information that you have and the knowledge that you have,
and then that's going to determine how you express it.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I get that part. I just wonder how that plays
into the bigger picture with this human design stuff, with
the prophecies, and the energy is fully there. If you
were to look in astrology, this is definitely a time
of change with Pluto, Uroness and Saturn all making their
way through the chart and so there is going to

(43:39):
be a lot of upheaval and a lot of shift.
It's just said in a different way. So we're all
looking at that going okay, change is eminent.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
But then.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Some people are taking into the extreme, like the nar
I mean, the Seven Mountain Movement.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Is just nuts to me.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
So why do we go to these really extreme places
with it?

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I think that's what I'm trying to ask.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Right, because we're all picking up on the same energy.
Why is it so different?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Is it just really how we interpret things?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
But I think there is a level of control to it,
and I think it can be manipulated, but I think
the interpretation of the energetic shift that's coming, we all
can feel it. And since it is based on global
cycles and even in the Hindu traditions, there is this

(44:48):
idea of these bigger cycles that we go through, right
where consciousness expands and then it contracts. There's always like
this breathing of hum humanity that happens. So I think
we're all picking up on that, but based on how

(45:11):
we are designed and how we are living that out,
because not only is it like the filter, but then
it's what level of consciousness are you at? Are you
responding and interpreting it out of fear or are you
interpreting it out of a more aligned consciousness. I think

(45:33):
because there is this continuum, we see these different ideas,
but I think it's also based on knowledge too and conditioning,
because somebody that is in the Naar has been conditioned
through these Christian ideas, so they're also going to have

(45:55):
that external influence that's going to have an effect on
their perception. That does make sense, But because of the
framework and the way that they're set up, there is
different levels of manipulation that can go on. So if

(46:17):
you have somebody that doesn't have true intentions, they could
easily go in there and adjust it to make it
a cult. Right, and my friend chat GBT also gave
me a table for that and how easily these different
groups can be manipulated. It says manipulation versus empowerment. What's

(46:44):
the difference. So let's start there and so we know
the definition that we're working with. It defines a manipulative
system as centralized authority in a small elite group who
holds the key to truth, revelation, or salvation often maintain
a hierarchical structure, even subtly in direct followers choices and

(47:09):
suppress internal discernment, and it keeps the followers dependent on
external validation, whether that's the leader's institutions or rituals. An
empowering system is going to have decentralized authority emphasizing the
individual's direct access to wisdom and truth, encourage followers to
trust their inner discernment, autonomy and direct spiritual experience, and

(47:33):
promote resilience, emotional intelligence, and freedom from external control. So,
based on those definitions, human design has a low potential
for manipulation, high potential for empowerment. N AR high potential
for manipulation, and a moderate or mixed potential for empowerment.

(47:58):
Theosophy in his offsheets moderate to high potential for manipulation,
moderate to high potential for empowerment, depending on what offshoot
you're looking at. Scientology, however, has a very high potential
for manipulation and a low potential for empowerment because it

(48:19):
is highly controlled. And then the Friends of Israel evangelicals
moderate to high potential for manipulation and a moderate potential
for empowerment. So overall, the majority of what we've been
talking about can easily be manipulated for someone's gain or control.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
That seems to be the overarching theme with all of
this is this control control of the narrative, which is scary.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Right, especially since they are so prominent.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, would you say twenty five percent of the population
believes in it or twenty five percent of the American population.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I think twenty five percent is connected to friends of
Israel or the evangelical ideas of the Second Coming and
supporting Israel.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Which means they want that more extreme, controlled view of things,
which throws me off a bit.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Right. They want to have Jesus return to rule over them. Really,
that's what it is, right. Jesus is returning to Earth
to establish his kingdom, to rule over it for God
the way that he wants it. So it's a theocracy.
So they want Jesus to come back to be their

(49:59):
ruler and tell them how to live.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
My brain goes what happened to sovereignty? I might be
wrong here, but I thought the whole idea of being
on the planet and being in the body and living
is to create your own sovereignty and figure out your
own ideals and find your own value system, and then

(50:24):
create your world based on that. This kind of thinking
seems to negate that completely. It's let's just put our
hands into this thing, this person, this idea that doesn't exist,
which lends people who are controlling or who want power

(50:47):
to come in and create a narrative around that and
then do what they want right.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
And I see things similar to the way that you do.
Think why I resonate so much with human design is
because the way I interpret the world, the way I
see it is very similar. There is a lot of
ideas in human design that are tontric, and I also

(51:19):
resonate with tontra classical tntra, and usually outside of the
three tontric channels in human design, they don't really talk
about that connection. But the whole idea of the human
design chart is based on those same concepts. Where you

(51:40):
aren't separate from God, you aren't like something that God created,
You are an extension. So the consciousness that knows everything right,
all of these archetypes, all these ideas that are out
there in the ether, it can dense is into a

(52:00):
form with a filter with unique expressions in order to
discover what that feels like. So the whole point of
being human is to experience life as you and how
you feel it. Having Jesus or some external authority come

(52:28):
and tell you how to live and how you should
be and put all of these restrictions on you is
completely opposite of how I think we should be living
our lives.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, because right now you see the dissonance happening in
the United States politics where you have a lot of
Christian nationalists naar people in power, not saying that they're
in power, but they are. I just saw footage today
of a bunch of senators praying and singing to God.

(53:10):
There's supposed to be a separation.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
But.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
They're going off of their narrative, which is, we gotta
let like you said, let the man come in and
take over so he can the Kingdom of God. But
like the rest of us who are not even into that,
are like, what the hell is going on here? I
don't remember being okay with this. It creates an unbalance

(53:38):
because a lot of people don't believe in it. And
the other thing too that I feel like is happening
is we're not being told the truth. People aren't doing
the research, and they're trying to figure out why are
they trying to dispensele the Department of Education. But if
you go look at the Seven Mountains, it makes sense

(54:01):
why they're doing it if you put it into the
context of that. In that filter, everything that they're doing
is making sense.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
In the school cultures, right, Let's give the money to
the Christian schools so that they can teach our children
the way God wanted them to be taught. When I
was doing research for opening a micro school, I spoke
with one of the organizers for a group in the

(54:29):
metropolitan areas around here, and one of the questions she
asked me is if I wanted it to be a
faith based school. I was like, not really, because her
whole thing is about creating micro schools that are faith

(54:50):
based in teaching Christian principles, and she's creating this. I
guess it's a movement of these faith based micro schools
because the churches aren't taking it on. She really wants

(55:13):
the churches to step in and start creating micro schools
for people to take their kids to and leave the
educational system. But because the churches aren't doing that, she
has a big movement. Or she's trying to get behind
the movement of the vouchers, because then that gives parents

(55:34):
choice to go to private schools or possibly even the
micro schools to take that money and put it into
their school so then they could teach what they want
to teach and still have government funding. That's a lot, yeah,
But I have noticed that a lot of the families

(55:55):
that homeschool, are in homeschool groups or these micro schools
all have that faith component, Christian component, not even just
faith based. I live in the town that the population
is under ten thousand, and there are three Christian schools
in the town. One of those is Catholic, but then

(56:18):
there's two other I don't even know what they are,
but there's two other Christian schools.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It makes sense though, because if you get them while
they're young, and you indoctrinate them early, then you got
a lifer. There are those people that will always buck
the system and realize that it's a ruse. But for
the most part, even me, I so don't live by
the doctrine of Baptists. But it's all in my head still,

(56:49):
and it's literally a fight sometimes because there's there's certain
ways that I feel like I should be doing things
and there is a lot of guilt that comes along
with it, and I'm always like that that's not the
way though that has nothing to do with how I
went with my life or the idea of praying. Like
I still can't get out of the idea of not
praying or communing with a higher power of some sort,

(57:13):
even though I'm an archetype prayer. Now I just pray
to the archetype, but it's still there. It's still a
secondary like.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Habit.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
So it makes sense that they want school and religion
to be so closely in our twined.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
When I took evolution in college, my profession was brilliant. Brilliant.
I'd say it's probably one of the best classes I
took because of the practicality that I got. So we
we had this document in our class that he had

(57:58):
just like extra material that wasn't really anything to do
with the class, but it was a booklet on how
to survive the coming pandemic. And this was in early
two thousands when he put it in there, and he's, yeah,
you might laugh, but I'm telling you it's a good
idea to have that. And in that booklet, I don't

(58:22):
even remember who wrote it, but it predicted that the
next pandemic would be a flu like the Spanish flu.
And then it gives you the information on how to
take care of yourself if doctors aren't around or you
have to do things yourself, how you can support you
or other people in your family. I printed it off

(58:42):
and I cap it because I have a little emergency kit.
Bonus for me because in twenty twenty, when they started
coming out with all these numbers and the fear based tactics,
I could go to that document and pull it out
and figure out how to do the actual calculations virology
and how bad it actually was and I was like, yeah,

(59:06):
this doesn't add up. And then we also had a
section on evolution that wasn't at evolution as we see it.
It was more of like a collective evolution. So we
talked about communes and the effects that they have. We

(59:27):
talked about religion and how religion evolves, and they do
rely on you bringing your kids in and indoctrinating them
early and putting those beliefs in them when they're open.
That's how you continue the quote species of that religion.

(59:49):
There were a lot of ideas like that that we
also talked about. So when you're talking about that with
the school, it reminded me of that if you try
to stray, then you have a Plato's cave scenario. Right.
There's so much fear that you don't want to stray
because Satan might get you, or you'll be condemned to hell.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Oh this place, this hell. Yeah, it's a good thing.
I don't believe in that kind of stuff. It helps
with the existential dread. The thing is with not believing
in this kind of stuff and kind of seeing the
reality of what it is and then realizing that it's
a siop. Once you start to realize that, that's where
the fear comes in. For me, anyway, it does, because
I'm like, how much do I actually believe and how

(01:00:36):
much of it had been indoctrinated. I don't even know
the difference anymore. That's the fear for me. I think
that I'm in sovereignty, but maybe not. Maybe I'm just
believing in somebody else's bullshit. It could go either way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
It's a fine line, but you're willing to question that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Of course. I get why people go towards these things.
I do because it's really complicated. When you start to
have to think for yourself and you start to have
to make decisions based on your own value system, it's
really tough because you'll find that your value system doesn't

(01:01:16):
exactly line up with the other people around you, and
you don't get that hive mind, you don't get that
sense of community that you normally would because a lot
of times you have to work outside of the community
in order to get what you want, and that can

(01:01:38):
be a little bit daunting, and then you become the
hagwitch out in the woods. Weren't you saying something about
that with the prophecy that we're going less community and
more singularity.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Of planning. The energy that we're in right now is
more tribal and collective, So it's about community, it's about
fitting in. And if you don't fit in or you
don't go with the status quo, then you're ostracized, or
you're outcasts, you're the weirdo. There is a lot of

(01:02:23):
fear about not fitting in and not going with the crowd,
so it's really hard to be that individual and to
stay in your own authority and sovereignty. But when we
switch to the Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix, a lot
of that tribal energy goes away and it's more individual energy.

(01:02:45):
There's going to be this shift to empower you to
be your own authority, to do your own thing, and
to really find out who you are are and how
you fit in the bigger piece of the whole. Because

(01:03:05):
once you find your piece, then you can use that
to enhance the collective. But there's going to be a
lot of growing pains for people when that tribal undercurrent
goes away, because if they don't have like minded people

(01:03:29):
around them, or they haven't been trained to know how
to look inside and they're always looking for somebody else
to tell them what to do, they're not going to
know what to do. And I think that's what's going
to cause a lot of the chaos that's going to
come is when that happens, because then people are going

(01:03:52):
to be reacting out of fear instead of in a
calmly collected manner.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
It just throws me off because it's like we have
this almost desperation to keep the momentum going. I guess
Jesus or God whoever, can come and fix everything, But
what's he going to do. He's going to let Satan
live here for another thousand years and then do something
about it. I don't have a thousand years, sorry. So

(01:04:21):
the endgame is that we wait for him to come,
and then we wait for him to get here, and
then once he gets here, we wait. Doesn't feel good
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
We wait and then he tells us what to do,
and we do what he tells us. He's ruling it,
and if we're ruling it by God's authority, then it
would be the way that we're supposed to live based
on the Bible. Nobody ever really specifies what this future
utopian society is going to look like other than we're
saved and we're healed and there's no pain.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Sounds boring.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
There's a reason that there's hardship even though it sucks.
But yeah, how boring would be just to set around
and everything be perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
It's great for a while, but part of yeah, even
if you travel like it's fun and everything, but there's
always those hardship, just waking up in weird places and
the driving all that. There's always like the yucky parts
of it. But then when you have the good parts,
it's even better because you felt the hardship of it
and you're like, yes, I am winning. If you don't
have that, human nature is like that. We don't like

(01:05:29):
to sit around and be happy. That's boring. Someone's gonna
create a war on purpose because they have nothing better
to do. I never understood this idea of heaven or
utopia or they dive, Oh we're gonna go to this
fun place and there'd be Starbucks everywhere and it's gonna
be so nice, And I'm like, that sounds really boring.
That's not anything that I want to aspire to. We're

(01:05:54):
not built for that. We would have to be a
completely different race of human being or we would have
to evolve into something else for that to make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
And that's not what we are as human beings. We
are here to experience and figure out who we are
and how we want to show up and see how
far we can take it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I think this goes back to theosophy too, because I
was looking over my notes from the Blovatsky bot about
theosophy and just the whole idea about it, and the
Blotski bot talked a lot about ascension and a lot
about internalizing ascension and looking at the shadow and not

(01:06:51):
bypassing the shadow and moving into those deeper parts of
yourself and figuring out how to use alchemy to evolve.
It's the idea of internal ascension through alchemy. It's also
the people in the sky and what they're doing, the
Great White Brotherhood, but the whole idea of ascension so

(01:07:13):
that you can talk to those people and so you
can understand what is going on. It's about channeling and
getting the information, and it doesn't even have to be
the Great Brotherhood. It can just be universal consciousness as
a whole. But it's being able to see those higher vibrations.
That's seeing the bigger picture and what you're talking about,

(01:07:36):
the human design of it all and the ofphees and
seeing it for what it is, like that bigger picture,
so that we can exist within the above and flow
of the cycles. That's primarily what theostophy is about from
my understanding of it, and this feels like a parts

(01:08:00):
to get here, but it feels like a bastardization of that,
like using the evolutionary aspect of it and the ascension
aspect of it to bring in Jesus so that we
all could be saved and controlled, which is the antithesis
of theosophy. But at the same time you can use

(01:08:23):
that same concepts to take it there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
That's the point all of these podcasts were leading to,
because we have all of these different ideas and stories
about this utopian society in the future, but the way
we're going about getting there is in a way that's
vulnerable to manipulation and control, which is moving us into

(01:08:51):
the opposite direction of where we think we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
It's taking us down the wrong path.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
And if you're not aware of it, and you are
just reacting to everything that you're experiencing, especially from this
based mind control aspect that seems to be happening this
side war, to usher you into this control mechanism that

(01:09:27):
they've created, then is going to be really easy for
you to step into that and not resist, right. I
don't like that part. We are bringing awareness so people
are aware of what is going on and they're not
just going to be herded into wherever that I don't know, cattleguard.

(01:09:55):
It's not a cattle guard, wherever the sheep are being
herded to the slaughterhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
It feels like that though. That's the problem is it
does have that feel to it, and I think there's
a natural resistance to it. A lot of people resisted
to Elon Musk saying that empathy was basically the problem,

(01:10:21):
that we have too much empathy. Then, but then epathetic
people were like that, don't think that's the problem, And
then automatically there is this sense of like a betrayal
ies that's the only way I can think of it.
But there's this sense of when you're empathetic, it means
that you've evolved to a level of understanding where you
can be empathetic because you can think beyond yourself. That's

(01:10:43):
pretty much Maslow's hierarchy of needs is, once you get
your needs met, then you can be spiritual. People who
are a little bit higher up in their thought processes
would have a problem with that, saying the empathy is
the problem, because empathy is actually the answer. It's actually
higher up. You have to understand yourself in order to

(01:11:06):
be empathetic. The whole idea is to dumb people down
so they don't have empathy. So you are working with
just your lizard brain. And I feel like this whole
movement is that this whole movement is just use your
lily brain, don't think about anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
You keep people in the fight or flight spons in
the trauma response, so then they can't establish memories of
the way that things were. So you're constantly just replacing memories.
So you can put in any narrative that you want
and people are going to believe it because they have
no reference.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, it's repetition. It's even though you know it isn't true.
If you keep hearing the same thing over and over again,
your brain will automatically try to assimilate it to get
out of cognitive dissonance. So even though you know it's wrong,
and even though you know it's not part of your system,

(01:12:01):
you'll find a way to justify it, which is scary
because we really literally it doesn't matter who you are,
we literally are that susceptible. That scares me a little bit.
How much what I think is influenced by other people
or other situations.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
What you were saying about what am I believing because
I actually value and I believe that's a truth, And
how much is influenced by other people? I think it's
a really good question to explore, to figure out what
is truth?

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
If?

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
What does truth mean to me? And how do I
recognize that? I think that's really powerful because if people
can do that, then they're able to navigate or to
see through the illusion and the cognitive dissonance that's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
It's definitely the hardest path because and you realize that
there's a lot of people in your life where you're like,
I don't really want to go there, and then you
have to figure out why, and then that's a whole thing.
But it doesn't really matter because in the end you
will be happier. It's just getting to that point where
you're okay with saying no, or changing things up, or

(01:13:19):
saying Okay, I don't really like the way, this is
what am I gonna do about it? I think that's
why people get tripped up is I find this happens
with a lot of my clients too. They know that
they don't want to live that way, or they know
that they're being influenced, but then they don't have the
skills to get out of it because they don't want
to feel the guilt, they don't want to feel the shame,
they don't want to deal with the emotional.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Output of that or the fear of how hard it's
going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, because it is going to be hard and not
gonna lie. But on the other side of that, there
is a sense of acceptance that happens, acceptance of self
where you're like, Okay, if I were to die tomorrow,
at least I know that I was living by my
own it's not processed. At least I know that I'm
okay with where I stand. I don't have those regrets

(01:14:10):
or very little, so that's the bonus. But getting through
all that is a bitch, and then it turns into
I guess I'm calling senators now, I'm going to protests
because it kind of all goes together if.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
The protest is in alignment with what you write, because
I think sometimes people just join in the protest for
the drama, and yeah, necessarily what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Is true for them, that is true, they don't really
care about the outcome of it. But I think once
you start thinking about other people, when you think about
things in terms of it's not high might either, even
though it seems like it is. It's more it's well,
I'm not transgender, and I don't really care about transgender
But just because I don't care about it doesn't mean
that it's not important. It's one of those things where

(01:14:59):
you're like, Okay, what if I was, though, would I
want this to be happening to me? There's that silly
empathy again, and then you filter it through that and
you're like, well, I don't really care, and then don't
do anything about it. But if you do, then you
have to do something about it, and your intuition will
guide you so and what to care about, what not

(01:15:19):
to care about and it's okay if you don't care
about it. That's the other thing too. You'll realize that
certain things are put in your face and you're like, oh,
I'm supposed to care about this, and you're like, I
don't really care. Okay, what do I really care about?
Or what do I really want to put my energy towards.
And I think that's important too, is just because we're
empathetic and just because we see that it's an issue

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doesn't mean that we have to put our energy behind it.
For me, I get really pissed off about food security
and I get really pissed off about housing. I think
those are things that everybody should have, and so when
I see those kinds of things, I'll go to bat
for it. But then there's other things that I'm like, Okay,
this doesn't resonate with me. Discernment is really important to

(01:16:01):
you because I think we feel like if we're empathetic
or if we think what other people, we have to
think about everybody, that's sometinally not true.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Yeah, it's a hard lesson to learn when it's your
place to do something about it, and when you're just
inspired and you need to allow someone else to do it. Yeah. Yeah,
like the food and housing, Yeah, I get it. I
guess I'm doing the food insecurity issue by doing the

(01:16:34):
garden in the farm and wanting to teach people how
to do that, bring it more local. But by far
I go more towards the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Yeah that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yeah, yeah, in the treatment of the kids and their expression,
which makes sense with the parenting by design, that's like
my whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
And that's perfectly okay. Other people will take care of
the other stuff. See, that's the thing we need to realize.
That's okay. It's okay to be discerning with our empathy,
it's okay to be discerning with our time. We don't
have to tackle everything. We just have to know what
we stand for and be okay with it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
If we want Jesus to come and rule over us,
that's fine. And if somebody else does not want to
live that way, they should be allowed to do that too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
And see, I think that's where the discernment comes in.
Is I think it's being forced upon us in a
way that we don't want it. If you want to
believe that, then do what all the other cults do
and go find somewhere in Venezuela and create your huts
and have at it. You don't need to do it
through world domination. It's you're enforcing your will onto other people.

(01:17:52):
And I think that's the misguided step, is assuming that
even though you don't believe in it, you should, and
even though you don't want it, you should. I hate
that kind of granular, myopic thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
It drives me crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
Me too, like I would have a bunch of nice
resources and support around me, but I don't want to
be involved with that kind of thinking because when I
am directly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Asked if I believe in Jesus, then I have a
problem with that because automatically you're going to judge me
no matter what I say, and then everything in our
relationship is filtered through that once that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I think it's different too, in smaller, more personal circles
than when it is when it's like the whole country.
When it's on that grander scale, it feels so much
more oppressive. And with that, we'll see you on the
flip side.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Thank you for listening to the Vizilian podcast.