Unmasking the 7M Movement: The Cult, The Power, The Agenda

Join Stephanie and me as we crack open the 7M movement and expose its tangled web of religious control, political influence, and straight-up cult vibes. This episode is the first in a multi-part series, breaking down how this evangelical offshoot wants to reshape society by infiltrating seven key areas: government, business, education, family, arts, media, and religion.



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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
On this show, we're going.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
To deep dive into topics so don't usually see the
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and of course aliens. Sit back, grab a cup of tea,
and let's get on with the show.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hey everyone, this is the Envious Alien Podcast, and today
we are going to be talking about the seven M
Movement and many other things. This is going to be
a two or three port podcast right now, we're just
going to go into the meat and bones of what's
the seven M movement is and how we got here.
I guess we should jump right into this. This one

(00:53):
came about from a chick talk. I'm gonna go ahead
and post some clips of the chick talks here. I
want to make sure I credit that TikToker made this video.
Her name is jan jan Q.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
And it's spelled a little bit different, so let me
spell it up for you so that way you can
find her on TikTok. And also I'll put a link
in the show notes. It is c h A W
EO N and then qu is koo and.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
She goes by.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
She her first she says that she is a witch
New York City and her Gmail is witch Juice at
gmail dot com.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
Early January, this article came out from the Atlantic. It's
called the Army of God comes out of the ship.
Tens of millions of American Christians are embracing a charismatic
movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation, which seeks to
destroy the secular state by Stephanie got to read you
some of the article. On the Thursday night after Donald

(02:04):
Trump won the presidential election, a celebration unfolded inside a
converted barn in Lancaster County. Pen place was.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Called Gateway House of Prayer.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
But it's not exactly a church, and it's not exactly
fitting the paradigms of American Christianity because inside there were
no hymnals. I don't even know what hymnals are, but whatever,
There's none of that, no images of Jesus Christ, no
parables fixed and stained glass. Instead, you got a huge
map of the world covering one wall. On the others

(02:35):
are seven framed bulletin boards, each representing a theater of
battle between the forces of God and Satan. And these
seven places of battle between God and Satan are government, business, education, family, arts, media,
and religion itself gateway house of prayer, it turns out,

(02:58):
was a kind of war room. Guys, just from this
first paragraph, I hope you realize if there's these seven
places that God and Satan are duking it out, and
only one of them is religion itself, every other place
is a secular part of life, like government, education, business,
family are.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Sickly, guys. You have tens of millions of.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
People who call themselves Christians, who under this name of spirituality,
who are actually doing extremely organized secular work. Okay, they
have seven places in life and they're called the seven
Mountain mandate. It's literally somebody was just like, hey, these
are the seven areas. It can't just be about religion,
it can't just be about prayer. We have to really
focus on just all the areas of life. Here's the

(03:42):
thing about Christianity. Christianity is a great delivery mechanism because
I mean, you already have a central house of worship,
you already have a congregation, you already have like an
audience to deliver a message too. And the article even
says that many people, okay, who wanted to have churches,
they found that if you'd use the nar formula, you
will actually have more people coming to your congregations. All

(04:03):
these preachers were just like, okay, I guess nor it is.
Many started hosting seven M seven Mountain Mandate seminars and
offering coaching and webinars, which often drew wealthy business people
into the full troup of the nation's ultra wealthy conservative
Christians organized as an inmight only charity called Ziklog, a
reference to the biblical city where David found refuge during

(04:26):
his war against King Sault. According to an investigation by
pro Publica, the group stated in internal documents that its
purpose was to take dominion over the seven Mountains. By
last year, forty two percent of American Christians agreed with
the statement God wants Christians to stand atop the seven

(04:47):
mountains of society. They're crazy and they're rich. People are
donating money into things that are going to help with
the seven M the seven and to them, they're just like, oh,
the end of time, I'm just coming anyway. So who
gives a shit about climate change?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
And things about poor people whatever.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
Like, the most important thing is that we're gonna get
into the Kingdom of Heaven, and so we need to
bring the Kingdom of Heaven down to Earth. Fuck a
secular democracy. We're bringing theocracy back.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
One of the things that we found out in the
video is that there is this place called the Gateway
House of Prayer. I don't even know where to start
with this because it's so bizarre. How do I say
this better? I don't think it's bizarre in that it exists.
It's bizarre that it's in the connotation of God. Does

(05:36):
that make sense?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, let you explain it a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm not Christian at all. I am Pagan through and through.
I mean, we've talked about this before. I was raised Baptists.
I've done ritual most of my life, and ritual includes
like consecrating spaces and circles and chanting, and I guess
we would considerate prayer, but it's mostly invocations and invocations,

(06:03):
and you know, there's a process to it. But as
I was reading this, this Gateway House of Prayer seems
a lot like that, but more utilitarian, I guess. And
I know that you have a Catholic background, and I
know there's a lot of ritual in that, but this
seems to go even beyond that. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yes, Yeah, The ritual in the Catholic Church is very traditional.
It's very I guess centered on the like the Eucharist.
I mean, like the majority of the ritual that happens
has to do with, you know, the Last Supper. Where
this it's more about creating a world that they want

(06:50):
to see, yeah, right, and bringing the forces of evil
to their demise. So there's less focus on your connection
with God and your connection with Jesus and having it
be in a devotional way. It's more externalized to where

(07:16):
they're focusing on the evil and how it must be
demolished and they must restore God's dominion in all areas
of life.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, And their view of what's God's dominion is very
culty to me. It's very anti the Bible, it's very
anti Jesus. But I guess in their minds they're doing
the right thing. I'm on the Welcome to Gateway House
a prayer website, and it says we exist to honor
Jesus through twenty four to seven prayer and worship over

(07:52):
one hundred volunteers from over thirty five churches in the
region take watches around the clock. We sustain twenty four
to seven prayer and worship to Our King Jesus by
splitting the week up into two hour prayer watches and
one hour live worship sets. The prayer room is open
to the public from four a m. To eleven pm,

(08:15):
so they're literally praying from four am to eleven pm.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Do they have set prayers?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yes and no. I was doing research on this and
from what I got, those hour live worship sets, it's
what they're going to pray. So they do their two
hour pray and then they take a break for one
hour and they talk about what they're going to pray
about and what that looks like. So they do have
set prayers, but they also have it's a little intuitive.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Okay, So pretty much the idea is for everybody to
put their intention behind one set goal or idea. Yeah, essentially,
it's like making it more powerful.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
By continuously praying, and you can you can actually take
a course. It's a ten week school from February to
April each your we invite anyone who's seeking a deeper
relationship with God to take the journey with us, and
then you can become a watch leader, which is like
throughing those one hour sets. It's basically the ministry that
talks about you know, ramps the volunteers so that when

(09:19):
you're praying, you're in a heightened sense, right.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Because this is evangelical influence, right, it's an evangelical group
that started this.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think it's kind of vague on the website, Like
I was going through it, and you know, it says
our vision, which is like basically the about page, and
it to honor Jesus. That's pretty much. It only two paragraphs,
so they're kind of vague on where they started or
how they started. This is just the prayer part of it, okay.

(09:50):
So all they do is facilitate the prayer. You can
pray on whatever you want, as long as it in
accordance to Jesus, unless you're saying, you know, stop the
immigrants from being taken to gem because apparently that's not
of Jesus. It has to be it's more right leaning.
They're not going to let you do something like that

(10:12):
because it's against their Jesuseness. But I mean, it's all
very vague and see that's the thing that confuses me
about the Gateway House of Prayer. Like if you look
up the nar or if you look up seven M
there's a ton of stuff like it. I mean, it's
a movement. Of course, feels very culty, but it's a movement.
This is sort of like when you look up the

(10:33):
Church of Scientology. It's sort of there's a lot there,
but nothing is really said. It does make sense, right
the Mystery Sandwich, Yes, the Mystery Savage exactly what I mean.
Just looking at the pictures on their website, they just
looks a lot like a ritual circle. They have the teleprompter,
they have some maps, they have pictures of Jesus everywhere,

(10:54):
and you know, they have the podium.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
And this is the group that is supposedly creating the
Gregor around Trump is yes, okay, yes, So the theory
is that all of these prayers are creating that a
greg Wor, and that's why he is untouched by the
hexing and the other energies that the pagans and witches

(11:17):
are throwing at him.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Sure, which I disagree with, I mean wholeheartedly. I commented
on which he's TikTok. Gregor is aren't that deep. I mean,
it's how it works, but it's kind of not how
it works. I mean, we've dealt with a Gregor throughout
all of our investigations. It's not something that is that
teflon mm hmm. What's your experience with it and how

(11:41):
would you describe it? I mean, somebody created the greg war,
so there's only so much that it can be.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
So for some reason, this is the analogy that's coming
into my head. So the movie Free Guy, you know
about like the video game and yeah, so at the
end when they bring in the dude who's not like
fully coded yet, so you know, his catchphrase is catchphrase

(12:15):
and like that's what I think of when I think
of an Aggregor. It's like it's something that's created, but
it's still faulty, Like all of the information isn't there
because it's not real. Does that Marise?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, it makes sense. It's only as good as its creators.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, And I don't know if I buy the whole
Gregor around Trump protecting him. I think there probably is
a Trump Agregor that people have created through like the
QAnon movement and these other ideas around him. So I
think there is this idea of who Trump is. That's

(12:54):
not really Trump. So maybe if you were trying to
hex that idea, it's not going to work because that's
not the real Trump.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, you're trying to hex the a gregor, which is nothing, right,
just an energy for us, right.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah. I don't think there's like this group of praying
Christians that are creating some powerful aggreg or to protect Trump.
That just doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I could see, like with any other ritual, that this
prayer could be furthering along things. It could be pushing
agendas through, it could be manifesting things in real time.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Right, And I think that's more of what it is,
is pushing the agenta and shifting the energy and the
timeline to what they want to see it, which.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
Is very.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Very new ag Yeah, that's very law of attraction. I
mean we're moving into the secret at this point. They're
giving it the framework of Christianity so it's more palpitable,
but it really has nothing to do with Christianity. It
has to do with to say, it's the new World
Order and is I mean that's kind of where it's going.
It's got that flavor to it because it's Christianity. A

(14:08):
lot of people don't question it or they don't use
their critical brain.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Because they're using the right words. They're manipulating the words
that are using Christianity to explain ideas that aren't really
christian I mean, really, that's the same thing that theosophy
ended up doing after World War Two because a lot
of people shifted away from the occult when Hitler came

(14:38):
into power and everything was exposed that he had this
whole occult background and group behind him, so it shifted
towards Christianity and brought in a lot of that other verbiage.
And I think that's what this whole movement is because
it's just bringing in those ideas with different words.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yes, because it says prayer room schedule, but anywhere else
this would be a ritual room. It would just be
a sanctuary for ritual and it would instead of American
flags and Christian flags. And the map of the world
always throws me off because it's like you're literally telling

(15:21):
people it's war world domination, Like you're literally just putting
it right out there, but we're just glossing over that. Okay, sure,
But in this same context, if this were any kind
of ritual room instead of the map, and instead of
the flags, we would just have an altar to whatever
we were trying to manifest or whatever a Sabbat it was,

(15:41):
or whatever thing we were trying to do. So not
a lot is different, which is really really throwing me off.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
So last night, after we played with the GPT with Blovatsky,
I started asking just regular chat GPT different questions about
Michael Aquino. Well, no, it didn't start there. It started

(16:12):
with Satanic Panic because I was trying to see if
there was any sort of correlation between Satanic panic and
what we're talking about, because everything we have talked about
on all the podcasts seems to be related and culminating
in some way. And of course chat GPT was like,
oh no, there's no correlation between any of these players,

(16:33):
and you know, it's just a product of you know,
the environment and how things were. I'm like, okay, whatever.
Then I started asking about Michael Aquino and it does
not want to say anything about him at all. It's

(16:53):
all conspiracy theories and nothing is true and there's no
documented evidence. Like it just kept throw that out over
and over every time I had asked it a question.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
But he wrote a book.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
He actually it's a series of three books in like
twenty thirteen, I think is when the first one came out,
but it's called Mind War, and it's an elaboration on
the paper that he wrote for the military in like
the eighties where it goes into psyops and mind war

(17:28):
and how he didn't think that like physical war was
the way that we need to be going. It needs
to be a mind war and using truth and ideas
like peace and unity to use that to leverage against

(17:50):
our opponents to convince them that, you know, fighting is
not the answer. That was essentially, you know, using the
manipulation to get people not to fight against you. So
I'm wondering if those types of tactics are being used
in this type of setting to where they're trying to

(18:14):
use some truth and some ideas to get people on board,
and then as they go because there was this grain
of truth at first, that as they bring in more
information that isn't necessarily on the Christian path, that they're

(18:35):
just going along with it because of what was initially seated.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
So do you think that this is part of that plan?
Do you think that it's something that goes along with
mind control.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I think people are using these tactics to their advantage
to bring about the narrative that they want to see,
and I think it's being used on both sides.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I was wondering that I was wondering about the both
sides thing because I don't want to get woo woo here.
But after the election, I was kind of surprised at
what happened, and I was like, how did this happen?
And so I pulled a lot of cards because I
was like, what the fuck? How did I get it
so wrong? And one of the things that came up repeatedly,

(19:21):
over and over and over again was that Harris was
just a scapegoat, that's all she was.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Like.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
She went in knowing that she wasn't going to win,
she went in knowing that it was a ruse, and
she just played a part. Basically, nobody could have predicted
that she would have gotten the money that she got
and the support that she got, so they rode the
wave basically. But just what I got intuitively from pulling

(19:52):
millions of cards is that they intentionally diffused the way.
It just kind of died down and then it went
back to normal. And I think that was intentional, and
I kind of threw it out there on TikTok once,
not in a video, but just said something in a

(20:12):
comment and everybody was like, Harris would never do that, never,
And I was like, I wouldn't be so sure. She's
a freaking Gemini. If they promised her something in her career,
or they gave her a lot of money. I mean,
anybody can be swayed at that point, or they gave

(20:33):
her some kind of really good deal, and mark my words,
sometime this year she's going to announce that she's going
to be doing something big in government.

Speaker 8 (20:45):
Hey, this is feature Heather, and I'm finishing up the
edit for this podcast. But I was on TikTok today
and I saw something from Aaron Parness. He's an indie
reporter and he does things with midas touch. This was
the clip today. I'm going to play it and then

(21:06):
it'll make sense to you. This podcast was recorded on
the twentieth, twenty twenty five, and today is March seventh.

Speaker 7 (21:19):
We have some being news right now. Former Vice President
Kamala Harris is now seriously taking a look at possibly
running for governor of California and has told close allies.
According to Politico that she is staying in this fight.
She gave a definitive answer to folks around her of
when she will make a decision, by the end of
the summer. Now, remember California's gubernatorial elections are not until

(21:41):
twenty twenty six, but the primary is definitely sooner than
November of twenty twenty six, and current Governor Gavin Newsom
cannot run again. He is term limited. He's also likely
to run for president. But right now, Vice President Harris
is really making the decision whether to run for president
again in twenty twenty eight or run for governor of
California in twenty twenty six and lead the largest state

(22:03):
in the nation. Should she run, polling suggests that she
will run away with the race pretty easily.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
I just said, mark my words, that there's going to
be some kind of announcement about Harris, and here it is.
Here it is now. I originally talked about this two
or three podcasts ago, and I'll put the podcast in
the show notes, but I talk about how Harris most

(22:30):
likely will run for governor of California or she'll run
for president. Those are my two choices, and here it is.
We will see how this goes okay, Now back to
the podcast.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
And there's that podcast going around or what's going on
about how THEE. Harris administration. Her team did a bunch
of in polling, and they knew she wasn't going to
win from the very beginning, and they never got the
numbers that showed that she was going to beat Child
and they kept going anyway, and they never changed their

(23:08):
tactics or never changed with they campaign. And I was like,
why would they do that? If you knew that your
numbers were fuck, wouldn't you do something about it? But
they did the same thing that Clinton did. They did
the same playbook, and I was like, why are they
doing this? We saw Clinton loose doing this, so why

(23:28):
are they doing the same thing?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well, and through the last few months, I had a
lot of questions that I was seeing because you know,
she would go out on this interview circuit and then
she didn't have really good answers, and you know, there
was a lot of criticism for that. And it's just
word salad, and she doesn't know what she's talking about,
and you know, she's trying to satisfy everybody, so she

(23:54):
doesn't know what to say. And I'm thinking, Okay, she
has a lot of people behind her, She has people
that prepare her for interviews, So why is it that
she's so not prepared. That doesn't make sense to me?
And I started thinking, Okay, well maybe this is intentional.
Maybe they're intentionally doing that to force people the other way.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, that's what it felt like, because if you really
listen to her speeches, she's very compelling. She can be
mm hmm. She really knows how to roll a crowd.
She's very good at work.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Right, she's a lawyer.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
She knows how to compel. Did we see that.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
No.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
At the end of election cycle, she does grass roots
thing with Walt saying, oh, you know, thank you for
being here. We have so much more work to do,
you know, keep donating. I was like, why you're lost
on purpose? What am I supposed to do with this?
Everyone else is like, yes, we're going to keep fighting,
And I was like, you're kind of proving my point
right now, This right here is at ASIOLP. You're trying

(24:54):
to get us to believe something that isn't true. And
it was a little bit disheartening, I guess, because it
feels like this whole thing was planned from both sides.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, and I know that Trump's team were on it
this time, like they had a plan, they knew what
to execute, they knew when to execute it. And then
bringing on Kennedy, I mean that just brought in the
whole other sector that he needed. It's using those truths

(25:24):
because I mean, there is truth in the MAHA movement.
There's a lot of good things that Kennedy talks about.
But I think his integrity came into question when he
joined with Trump because there's a lot of things that
don't match up.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
And so I'm like, Okay, it feels like he got
bought and sold.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I was very much on the RFK bandwagon there for
a little bit. I mean not that I think that
he should be president, but I was like, Okay, this
person has some interesting things to say. He's also best
of things that are fucking wacky doo. But this is different,
different energy. This is something that oh, listen, you know
what I mean. Like, but I don't know. As soon
as he aligned with Trump, I was like, h is

(26:09):
it really that easy? Right? What happened to the value
system that he was toting through this whole campaign?

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, And they used the story that you know when
Trump nearly was assassinated in Pennsylvania that you know what,
that brought back memories for Bobby, and so he he
called Trump to check on him or something like that,
and then that's how they started working together. Like I
don't know about.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
That talk about creating a narrative.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
The whole election was narrative. I think it was all
set up ahead of time. So I think it was
Matthew Crawford who brought up the point that the fight
fight fight was used in an MK ultra experiment. Oh really, yes,
But I mean that also makes sense because it kind

(27:02):
of goes back to Alice Bailey's work too.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Okay, tell me a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Okay, So Alice Bailey was one of Madam Blavatski's students,
so she theosophy and she parted ways because she and
led Better I think didn't see eye to eye, so
she kind of did her own thing. But she's the
one that expanded on Blovatski's teachings. It kind of made

(27:30):
them more ordered and structured and filled in some gaps
as well as Ledbetter. They did a lot of work
on like the Chokra system and the Ascended Masters in
the Seven Rays and all of the the theosophy crap.
But in her book that I've been reading or listening to,

(27:51):
the what is it the Externalization of the Hierarchy, and
so it was written in the thirties into the forties,
and what I gather is a bunch of articles and
pamphlets that she had written over the years, or that
she had channeled from her channel on the other side.

(28:14):
And I think he was supposed to be a master
or send a master somewhere in there, part of the
brotherhood in some way, but he in these articles, she's
very critical about pacifists and those that were not taking
a stance on the war, and she was very critical

(28:37):
of America for not stepping up sooner. But she really
felt like you needed to take a side, you had
to do a side, You had to do the work,
you had to get it there and do something. And
of course her side that she wanted to be on
was of the light and against the Nazis. Thing to me,

(29:01):
how this energy of you have to fight, you have
to take your stance, You have to get in there
in your area and be of influence to those that
are easily manipulated. So you have to be in there
and fight the good cause and take your place in

(29:23):
shaping the future so that we can usher in the
new world order, which to her was through the United
Nations and through essentially in the ascended Masters to return
to Earth and take the right place of leading the

(29:45):
world to peace and unity.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
My question is, how does this play into what is
going on now?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, we were talking about the Fight Fight Fight, so
Ultra as a psio, I mean, there are theories that
a lot of that was influenced by theosophy and a
lot of the Nazis that were brought over after the
war into America. They were the ones that influence and

(30:14):
helped shape the mk Ultra program and these other tactics
that were being used and experimented if they are using
that type of mind control. But I mean, I could
see how that could be used in some sort of
plan to get Trump positioned in a better light, especially

(30:37):
if you do like he did. You put the spin
on it of you know, being saved or God has
a plan for him, because you know he turned and
looked at the chart at the right time. So then
you're recruiting all of those Christians to get behind you see,

(30:57):
and Mark Zuckerberg. He did an interview and that's what
he brought up is how badass Trump was because after
he took a billet, he got up and he said fight, fight, fight.
And now Facebook has done a one eighty and they've
gone from super liberal to super conservative.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
My conspiracy theory, let's pull on the tinfoilhead. I really
do think that whole situation was completely rigged, like gets
up from an assassination of depth and does a photo
oup come on now? Like seriously, it was just so orchestrated.
And then the thing with Zuckerberg, I think Zuckerberg just
goes where the money is. He was on board and

(31:39):
being a Democrat because that's where the money was, and
with COVID, that's where people were heading. The general population
was really into the whole idea of like masking, and
so he was running with that. But then he got
the opposition from the other side and he didn't like
it because it made him unpopular. But now how he

(32:02):
sees the money is with Trump. I think zucher work
it really is a robot. I think a lot of
the social media people are I think that they're just
going with whatever the narrative is for the time, they
don't even know what they believe. They don't really care
what is the stream that's going to make some of

(32:23):
the most money or what's going to give them the
most use I guess, or engagement, because if you think
about it, if you switch to the other side, that's
going to piss off a lot of people, but that's
also going to force people to view I feel like
it's all very deliberate, which begs the question, like, what

(32:45):
is the endgame here? Because okay, like how did Trump
become the air quotes messiah? I'm using the air quotes
very generously because I don't think he's a messiah. How
did he become the figurehead of this movie? I guess
we should talk about them first, But how did he
become this draw man?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Even though he is the pawn that they're going with,
he's still very unpredictable because some of the things he
talks about don't line up with what I would think
the narrative would be.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Let's go over the NAR.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
The NAR is the new Apostolic Reformation, but apparently it
doesn't like to be recognized as a thing.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yes, the Fortensic doesn't exist. It's like Project twenty five.
It's not really there, but it's there.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Are they the same as a Seven Mountains movement? Or
is it different?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
They're the same. The NAR is the umbrella group, and
the seven M is their principles. It's called the Seven
M Manifesto. The seven Principles, or the seven Mountains as
they call them, the things that we have to overcome
and climb in order to you, I don't know, take
over the world. I'm still not clear as to what

(34:05):
the actual seven Principles do.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I found a PDF of somebody explaining like it was
a church in Philadelphia, I think, and they were presenting
the ideas to the congregation. Like That's kind of what
I got out of it is the purpose of the pdf.
The first sentence in this article about the purpose of

(34:33):
praying in one accord. As we pray for transformation in
Philadelphia and throughout the region, we are organizing our prayers
around the seven Mountains of culture that will enable us
to strategically focus on both the and their spiritual roots
through effectual fervor prayers. Compare a floodlight that dimly illuminates

(34:55):
a wide terrain to a laser beam that sustains a
focused light and can pin trade through debris and darkness
defined its goal. I mean it goes on from their
preparation is for being in prayer. It's a self examination
and cleaning, protection of yourself and for your family and
things pertaining to you, and then participating churches and in

(35:18):
assessors your own church, and then for God's heart to
be revealed for Philadelphia and the region. So that kind
of sounds like a protection ritual.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Do they value prophetic insights and they really want you
to write down anything that you may receive through prophecy
and you know, put that in writing so you can
share it. This movement the Seven Mountains and n AR
was founded. I don't think it says in this article,

(35:53):
but there's another article I found where it talks about
the origination and it can from three people, one of
them being our friend Francis Shaeffer and then Lauren Cunningham
and Bill Bright, which are all evangelical preachers that are
very vocal. So it makes sense that they would be

(36:16):
interested in the pro life movement because that's Francis Shaper.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Francis Shaper, the dude that did the pro life stuff
that his son did the videos. Yes guy, Yes, No,
friggin way.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I think it's these three men and their churches or
their movements influenced somebody else to write a book. It
was based on their ideas and principles. The seven mountains
are the seven mountains of influence, because if we can
influence these differents, these seven mountains, then we can change

(36:56):
and transform Earth to a be a I guess more
godly society and have the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.
There's seven mountains are family, religion, business or like, economy
and finances, politics, education, media and arts or entertainment, so

(37:17):
pretty much everything that has to do with society. They
are working to influence fight the evil that has taken
those mountains over and it is in their best interests
to infiltrate and take them back from the devil.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Because the earth is the devil's play around, correct, right?
I thought that was Jesus's job though, or God's job,
or the Trinity's job. Wasn't one of them supposed to
come down? Isn't that? With like the rationalies about?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Right? Well? So, in this movement and their ideas from
what I gather is that if they can take hold
of these different areas and have an impact and that
that way they are paving the way to a godly society,

(38:17):
which opens us up to receiving the return of Jesus.
So it's in preparation for the Second Coming.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
But that's what the second Coming is, literally that lourally
cleansing the earth, bringing the souls that are Jesus in
Christ lie. And that's why we let him in our
heart like a little parasite, is because that's how God
is going to know that He's supposed to take us.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
To have it.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
So I don't understand why we need this cleansing. Is
it to save us all so that we all go
to have it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
A lot of these articles that I've found in like
these PDF documents, they have multiple quotes from the Bible
backing up what they are doing and what they are saying.
One right here Revelations, you let them become kings and
serve God as priests, and they will rule on earth.

(39:15):
Here's another one from Zachariah six twelve. Tell him this
is what the Lord Almighty says. Here is the man
whose name is the branch, and he will branch out
from his place and build the temple of the Lord.
It is he who will build the temple of the Lord,
and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit

(39:37):
and rule on his throne, and he will be a
priest on his throne, and there will be harmony between
the two. So everybody has their place either in prayer,
to pray for these mountains or to step into service.
But again with all of it is, you aren't a house.

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You have to take action, and you have to get
in the fight, right, fight right, fighting evil and the devil.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Right. So it's so interesting. There's a lot of correlations
happening here in my screen right. A lot of people
went to Sedona around nineteen ninety nine two thousand to
open up the portals to bring in the new Eon
and to make sure that you know, the Earth was
still here after the apocalypse that never really happened, but
apocalypse is just new beginning, so it might have worked,

(40:34):
I don't know. But then also twenty twelve, there was
a lot of stuff about the new Eon or the
new Era, and there were a lot of healers that
went to third part of the world to do try
rituals to heal the energy around planet and to kind

(40:57):
of bring in this new eon, this new energy and
there are still a lot of groups that are doing
this work. It's all kind of the same thing. It's
like we're all trying to change the energy and beat
the air quotes evil, but I guess the seven m

(41:22):
people are doing it in more of a take no
prisoners kind of way instead of let's fix and heal
the planet. It's like, you know how we talked about
how like there's the positive sides of things, and there's
always the negative side of things, but it's ones of
the same word. That's kind of what I'm feeling.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, And that's kind of what I was getting to
because in the Alice Bailey book that I've been listening to,
she's bringing up the same points from the thirties. So
her idea, obviously, it's the hierarchy, this group of spiritual
beings that is influencing us. But if we can tap

(42:05):
into their energy and we are one of their disciples,
then we can receive their energy and use that to
spread the knowledge to the masses and then change the
trajectory of where the world is going. She also highlights

(42:32):
that their work and therefore the people who receive their
information work in all areas. She highlights politics education, religion, art, scientists, psychology, economics,
the same thing that The Seven Mountains is doing. It's

(42:52):
just with Alice Bailey in the hierarchy. Her idea was
to gradually progress along because you're slowly influencing everybody. So
it was kind of like the back door way of
doing it changing their minds, which is kind of what

(43:12):
was happening with Trump and the election, and Seven Mountains
is kind of doing that, you know, slowly changing people's
minds with their information. But they are also going a
lot faster and wanting to take control and push things
through now. And I'm wondering if that's because they're on

(43:33):
a timeline for what they think is the Second Coming
and so they've escalated.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Love this for us. I love how I'm being dominated
politically by some movements that I do not even believe it,
and that's incredible. I'm looking at the prominent followers of
the seven m movements, so interesting. Lauren Bobart, she's the

(44:01):
Republican for the Colorados congressional district. She's on this list
because she is the one that is spearheading disclosure and
she's the one that is part of both Congressional Oversight
Community hearings that I watched about UFO disclosure. She is
the person who is trying to push it forward, and

(44:25):
she's now saying that she really wants disclosure and she
is trying to push the government to get it to happen.
Why would somebody who is part of this mandate want
that so badly? Like, what's the agenda here? Because it's
definitely not disclosure. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah. Well, some theories that I've heard and I sent
you information about, like the UFOs is what I've been
reading is a lot of the UFO movement has developed
shocking out of theosophy. There's this whole idea of these
ascended masters and these beings that will return to Earth

(45:12):
to I guess to show us the right way of
being or whatever. I feel like there's like this left
hand path and this right hand path that is really
going for the same thing, of this return of the
spiritual being, whether it's Christ or ascended masters of the Christ,

(45:37):
and that's their whole goal, Like they really believe that
these supernatural beings are going to come back to earth. Now,
whether the people in power and control who are pushing
this really believe that or if They're going to use
that as the cataclysmic event of the rapture that brings

(45:57):
everybody together out of like cog to dissonance.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
When did the narrative shift from like just a few
years ago. I'm not even even talking like five years ago.
It was UFOs or the enemy. They are the incarnation
of the devil. All this frea complainant two. Now they
are part of the prophetic revelations of the time.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Maybe they realized that their channelings of the Holy Spirit
weren't actually the Holy Spirit, they were some other cosmic bee.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
It feels too much like these two worlds are colliding.
I've been down this road for so long and it's
us against them. But it's scary to me because even
have you seen the new advisor for Trump, the new
preacher advisor person. I think her name is Paula White. Yes,

(46:53):
she speaks tongues, and she opened portals to bringing angels.
I'm like, what the fuck, lady, You're a witch. This
is not Christianity, this is not Christian theology at all.
You're doing the very thing that the witches basically got
burned for and got drowned. Anybody remember the Spanish Inquisition

(47:16):
it's all the.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Same shit, right, They're doing the exact same that they're
fighting against.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yes, this whole thing that what executive order about. I
forgot the whole wording of the war against Christianity the monk.
There's no war. You're doing what everybody does. You're basically
stealing paganism and then creating a narrative around it and
saying that it's Christianity. I mean, it's all the same bullshit, right.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Well, like we talked about in the Bohemian Growth podcasts
that we did, how there were these two aspects. There's
like the pagan aspect and the religious aspect, and the
religious aspect was actually more of a threat than the
pagan That article I sent you from Matt Ritt, he

(48:09):
kind of touches on that of how the cults of
the time infiltrated at the church. Then they created like
this left hand and this right hand path of essentially
the same thing. So this whole idea of it being
two different things light and dark are really nonexistent. It's

(48:31):
all the same thing. They're just using different words to
get you to the same conclusion, right, And then they're
you know, using what he say, like the myth recult
was transformed into the sort of Michael and that was
used in the Crusade, So they were using people as

(48:52):
sacrificial offerings at the same time to fight and further
their agenda.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I'll put the article in the show notes. I was
reading it last night and I would just go down
some rabbit holes every paragraph, Right is he talking about?
I gotta know.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I know, there's so much. And that's why I started
reading that Alice Bailey book because that's the first thing
that he talks about. So I'm like, Okay, I'm just
going to start at the top and go through little
that I know is like thirty eight hours or something
ridiculous on audiobook.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, there's just so much about how everything is interconnected. Yeah,
and then he was talking about the Michael line, which
is something that like a couple of years ago we
were talking about, like why is the Michael rinning so important?
Because I kept channeling the stupid Michael line. Remember, we
went down this whole thing about why are these certain

(49:45):
points of these grids, these lay lines. I guess, why
are they so goddamn important? And then now we're coming
up on that, Oh, yeah, these are all the places
that people are talking about that have correlation to the
world domination of this happening. Now. We were literally just
picking up on the energy of what is to come
or what was to come and now is great.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
So it's interesting because we're getting it all through psychic impressions.
And then we look at somebody like Matt Errett who
is a historian, and he's giving us the historical context
and the actual documentation that back up what we were
picking up on.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
We're trying to piece together things that we don't even
know about.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Right, and then he just puts it all in one article,
is like, here you go, here's the link.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
But it is kind of cool though, in a way,
that we were picking up all this stuff two three
years ago.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
It's twenty twenty five. We were doing that in like
twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, so longer than.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
That four years.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, I mean, well, you even have picked up on
the Ukrainian stuff before it happened. We just didn't know
what it was at the time, right.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
I forgot about for people who don't know people want
to listen to this podcast forever. We did a lot
of channeling there for a little while and got some
really crazy stuff. If I'd done some rabbit holes and
none of it made sense until this year or last year,
it all kind of come to fristion, And I think,
what's weird about that is it makes me wonder how
much of this is predestined and how much what we

(51:12):
actually do have. Was it a warning that this stuff
is happening do something about it, or was it like, hey,
you guys don't have your choice? How fun with this?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I've been jumping back and forth between audiobooks because I've
been doing a lot of traveling and stuff, and I
picked up the Entre Illuminated book again and was listening
to it, and so the TTRA idea is kind of

(51:43):
like the new ag idea that's been kind of taken
out of context. Basically, you know, we have these cycles
in this movement because everything that's happening now is because
of what happened before. So in a way, there's there's
no getting out of what is to come, because there
is this movement that is happening because of all of

(52:07):
the other events that have happened before. And at the
same time, you do have free will over your thoughts
and how you interpret it and your response to it.
So I think maybe, you know, picking up on ahead
of time is a way for us to be okay
with it, and I guess really me be more in

(52:33):
tune or like being okay with it because now it
you know, it's coming up and we're getting this information.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
We're like, oh yeah, okay, just takes you wonder how
much of it is just the energy shaping Go back
to eggregres too. I mean, some of them has been
around for a while and they've been putting this energy
consistently into the universe. Not that I don't think healers
and psychics and channelers haven't been doing their part, but

(53:00):
we're not as ORGANI no.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I think there is truth to being able to influence
what is to come, but you have to be aware
of it, and you have to be aware of what
you're doing. And if you don't know the information, if
you're not paying attention to the cycles, then you can't
do anything about it to change it. Or in the

(53:24):
instance of like the Seven Mountains movement and the Catholic
Church and the World Day of Prayer and Alice Bailey's invocation,
you know, it's all essentially the same thing. They're putting
the energy behind all of these prayers and recruiting people
to bring about the ideas that they have, whether people

(53:46):
realize what they're doing or not.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
I just feel like if enough people know about it
and there is enough information out there, that it can
be combated way. And I think that's why Gregors were
coming up so strongly right now. We were talking about
platform yeah forever, Yeah, and just happened to be in

(54:08):
a lot of places that are strong with platforms.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Well, how many years have you been working with platforms this? Okay,
so almost twenty years.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
When I created the Vigregor platform, the pro experiment, one
my main focus on that was to see how energy
create reality. It was kind of a manifesting law of
attraction kind of thing, like, Okay, these principles are supposally employed,
let's let's see how they work. Right, So it was
more out of curiosity the second time around, though, in

(54:41):
twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, when we were playing with it again,
it was more than mechanics of it, like what can
we do with it? How do we interact with it?
Does it become sentient? Yes, yes it does, but if
we stop feeding it then it can't become sentient because
it has to take on somebody's personality or it has
to have a personality. It's like Wells birthing it. But

(55:04):
once you stop playing in the energy, it dissipates, it
goes away. That being said, I didn't expect it to
follow me around for the last seven years. I mean,
how many places have we investigated in the last five
years that the main issue with the place is that
platforms everywhere we went.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
There was some sort of thought form, right.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
And that's sanity we're picking up. What does this have
to do with this everything?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
That's exactly what they're doing, is they're creating a thought
form of the Christ.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Right, exactly that we're all supposed to believe is the
true God.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Right. I mean, that's what Alice Bailey did. The part
in the book I'm in right now is where she's
explaining the invocation that she had channeled to humanity, and
so she's saying didn't have as most as much potency
as it should have had because a lot of people
used it as a prayer and they did not use

(56:02):
it as a command. There's an invocation evocation, so one
was to invoke the spirit of the Christ or the Oh,
how does she say it. I don't remember what words
she used most of the time, but she's had the
Prince of Peace at one point, who would be the

(56:22):
writer on the White Horse from the Secret Place. And
then there was another invocation re evocation that was shared
that was mainly for the masters and the disciples who
understood the energies, and that was to actually materialize this

(56:45):
person like the Babylon workings. Who else has tried that? Everybody,
right the Matreya, I mean, there's all of these different
factions that have been working on that, trying to create
this a Gregor of Christ or the anti Christ and
then materialize that in one way or another. I'm wondering

(57:07):
now that we're talking about this and this escalation of
the Seven Mountains for dominion, I'm wondering if they think
they have found their person that is going to embody
this a Gregor and they are going to be emerging

(57:29):
in the next few years. And that's why there's this
push for you know, re establishing Israel. And you know,
there's a lot to talk about the Second Coming right now.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Where does Trump play into all of this. Everybody's saying
that he's the king of kings. There is this coming
from because he's not the poster boye or what they
need or want.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Well, except for he's backed by a bunch of Israeli
money and so he can do whatever he wants in Israel.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Maybe he's the sacrificial lamp to get them to the place.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
That sounds right, like.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
He doesn't realize he's the offering, right.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
So he's still he has his ideology about America and
making America better, and he's pulling on a lot of
the old ideas that were American. But then these people
that are playing and influencing him, that are pulling him
in a different direction. So I mean again, that's that

(58:33):
question mark thing around him.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Yeah, I guess it makes you wonder who's actually in control,
who's pulling the strings, because it's definitely not him. And
even when you look at him, he has this look
always like what the fuck is going on? As long
as he feels like he has absolute power, it doesn't matter.
He always seems like a loose cannon that Okay, we
have to do this in order to get to the

(58:56):
next step, So somebody just maybe sit him until we
get toward.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
You to be I go back to the beginning of
COVID like the information he was getting was not the
mainstream information. He was actually getting it from sources that
may have been helpful, and then everybody stamped him out.
So I think there are some players or there's some

(59:22):
influence that is positive around him that he's listening to,
but they're being overthrown by the other agenda.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
That does make sense.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
There's a dissonance happening even there.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Before we started talking about that, I was just wondering,
why is it throughout history? I mean, even through theosophy
we have the logic, we also have the brotherhood, right
is it the Great White Brotherhood? Yes? We have our
sended masters, right, and then there's always some kind of
with theosophy. I feel like it's more like the internal

(59:57):
journey to get to like the ascension process basically, right,
So we're always ascending. We're not sending to Jesus, but
I mean seven m are ascending to Jesus. But to philosophy.
We're sending to the ascended masters. But we always have
to create this this apocalypse, right, we always have to
create this new eon. And throughout history since forever, we

(01:00:21):
always see this idea of alchemym I always this idea
of changing the energy and moving into this new aple
ecalypse through ritual, even with somebody like Hitler at the
end of the day, he was looking through absolute power,
through the occult. He was trying to time travel, he
was trying to shift energies and change timeline. You mentioned

(01:00:46):
the battle of working the same thing. We're trying to
bring in the anti Christ. Why to bring in the
due age, to shake things up, to shift things? And
I have a sneaky suspicion that Parsons would probably be
absolutely into the whole track movement. Crowley did it. Everybody
who goes down this path always falls into this energy,

(01:01:07):
and I'm just wondering why, why is that where we
go with it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
So the words I'm hearing are looking outside of yourself,
because I mean, that's what it is, a lot of
them still focus on internal work, but there's still a
focus on the external and creating an external that matches
what we think the ascension is going to look like,

(01:01:35):
or being ascensioned. We're like creating it outside of ourselves
instead of tapping in to what's already there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yeah, that could makes sense because real ascension is an
inside job for sure. It's really just about transportation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I mean in contra, like the the part where I
started the book on was the Chatre where he talks
about being in right view, and he explains in contra
because it's more like three dimensional material working and being

(01:02:12):
connected with consciousness through life, not ascending, and you know,
going out of the body not transcendental, and the perspective
of everything is already complete, and everything is already whole.
You're already part of consciousness, You're already part of God. Right.

(01:02:34):
That idea is like you don't have to change anything,
you just have to tap into it and be connected.
And it can take a long time or could it
be instantaneous. You know, it is different for everybody. But
by striving and going towards this goal of changing things,
it's like this idea of I have to fix something,

(01:02:55):
something isn't right, when in reality, every thing is perfect already.
You just have to remove the layers and the distorted
thinking that is telling you it's not right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Right, I'm sorry in thought, Yeah, it's just a lot.
I feel like this is an accumulation of everything that
we have been looking for and searching for. In the
last you said five beers. I didn't know it was
that long. So it's like, you know, when you start
to go, other pieces are coming together. We were being

(01:03:32):
prepared for this. How do we move these mountains? Because
the seven M is a bunch of bullshit. It doesn't
help society as a whole in any way. It just
tears the fabric of society down and it forces people
into thinking that Christianity is the only way. This is

(01:03:53):
the kind of Christianity that Jesus, if he was here,
the sagittarius that he is, would be fighting again, right,
I mean, might as well throw away the Bible at
this point, it's not even worth the paper that it's original.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
So was it in one of your answers to the
Blavatski GPT or maybe it was something that I wrote.
I don't know, but there was something about Jesus and
Christianity and how it wasn't about taking dominion and being
the king because he was among the people. I think

(01:04:28):
that was three or might Okay, I've read so much
in the last few days I can't keep it straight.
Before everything was so either chat GBT or something I
read somewhere pointed that out that Jesus was not about
dominion and dominating and being the King on the Mountain.

(01:04:49):
That's what the Seven Mountain movement is about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I mean, Jesus went among the people, sim of his disciples,
traveled around and hung out with the people as a
grassroots kind of person. I'm not sure if I believe
in David Ike, but this is totally in line with
the New World Order and the Drake goes in that
whole scenario. I wonder if Ike and all of his
misguidedness if he was picking up of this kind of energy.

(01:05:13):
The reason I'm bringing up is because of the best
kept secret. You know, they were talking about the idea
of the evil in the world. I'm pulling a bunch
of other things in from other podcasts that we did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Wait, there's always a US versus them. There's always the
good versus the evil, right, there always has to be
that person to fight true.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
We feel like Christianity in this context. I'm not saying
Christianity as a whole is bad. I'm saying, in this
context it is the big syop. This is a Keynos
big mind war. They feel like the government as a
whole is just going along with it. And I'm not
clear as to why. Why is everybody just going okay,
just let it happen. Where is the opposition.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I don't think there is an opposition. I think they're
all in one of the threads that believe the same thing,
just under different names. I mean, you have a Kino
in his temple as set. He had a lot of
influence in the government. I'm sure there is a lot
of influence from that side of things in the Seven

(01:06:22):
Mountains movement that you know, the Christian the White Light side.
They use the Satanic evil liberals as their point of reference, right,
the ones that they're destroying, and yet it's the same thing.
They all want the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah, it does make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
And that's what people aren't getting. They're not understanding that
because they're using the right words.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
They're using the right words. Isn't that interesting? It reminds
me and I know I'm doing a lot of recall
right now, but we did talk about this before where
we talked about the Illuminati, and we're passing around a
podcast they were talking about how the Illuminati is not

(01:07:12):
what we think it is. There was a switch, like
you know how the Democrats and Republican switched. The same
thing happened where the Illuminati became the evil that we
have to fight against, but really it's not. The Illuminati
is just the truth. So it was the idea of
the serpent, Like, the serpent isn't a bad thing. It
just became the bad thing because of Christianity, because of
the Bible. But the serpent was actually the bringer of

(01:07:34):
the knowledge. He was the bringer of the light, which
is lucifer. So that's why it got care refused. And
it makes me think of that, where like the language
is so important because now we so save the Illuminati
with the New World Order, with David Ike, with Draco's,
with a bunch of conspiracy theories and bullshit. But what

(01:07:54):
if the Illuminati is just the truth? What if that's
what we're into when we channel, let we do these things,
and when we start to see these things, what if
we're just tapping into that universal light.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, I would interpret it as consciousness, you know, the
universal consciousness. Yeah, just tapping into that. But because we
are more I guess central nondual, right, we can see
both sides of it and not be swayed to one
or the other. We can see it for what it is,

(01:08:31):
Like we're not afraid of something that might be you know,
different energy or demonic air quotes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Right. I think our channeling. The beauty of it is
that it is right down the middle. But that's also
the crux of it because it hardly ever makes sense
until it does because we're not seeing one side or
the other.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Right, that makes sense?

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Yeah, And that makes it hard because you can't interpret
it based off of language, right, because the language is
skewed depending on which side you're on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Right, Right, because that Palladian message, we're not seeing it
as Jesus telling us that he is coming to save
the world in two years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Where was your part of the seven m movement. That's
which the prophets are telling you. It's all gonna be
filtered through the Jesus filter.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Everything is the Holy Spirit and everything is Jesus. Then
you're not going to discern if there's you know, some
tricks you're coming in and telling you something different, You're
just going to go with it because Jesus is talking
to you or you're embodying channeling the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Right, And we all know that the element always for
the trickster is that's just that's the that's the number
one rule of trixters. And then after that what's next?
You know what I mean, it's just a bunch of
bullshit recently until you figure out what's really drum?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
That takes time?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Yeah, well and it could and that, you know, depending
on how high up you go, I mean, you're gonna
be in contact with a different type of entity from
my experience in the Pentecostal Church, which is a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Two hours they were to try to get the high
vibe there to allow the Holy Spirit in by.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Just feeling into the energy. They're not getting there, Like,
it's not going as high as it needs to go
the majority of the time. I think sometimes people do
reach that space where they're actually channeling like from source,
but a lot of the time I don't think they're
getting there. You've been to the tent revivals and stuff, right, yeah, once,

(01:10:57):
Well what did you think? I mean, did you kind
of have that impression too? Where did they even occur
to you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
I attributed it to Okay, it's gonna sound stupid, but
you know when you go to a PEP rally, it's
kind of how it felt to me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, yes, well, can we all do in here?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
When you tell there's a certain energy that you get
and it's this vibe whenever you're in the limddle, there's
this very uncomfortable feelings that happened where it almost feels
like your body could be ripped out of either anymore.
It's not fun. It's like working out. It's like, Okay,
I'm doing this because I can and because it's good
for me, but I don't really want to be here.

(01:11:36):
I did not get any of that. I felt like
it was just a raising of energy and a raising
of hysterics. It's just an emotional ride. And we all
know when you tality, you can't be in your emotions.
You got to kind of play dead. So that was
the issue for me. What about you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I like your description as a pep rally. That is
it like all of the yelling for no reason. I
guess it's supposed to motivate people. I don't know. I
don't know if I'm motivated by yelling.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
I think it's a false sense of spirtuality. You're just
using your six senses to well five of them, to
just heighten an experience. You're not really going anywhere with
the energy just sort of sits there in the den.
It's a li liken. It to a failed ritual because
the energy doesn't really go anywhere. I don't think you

(01:12:33):
need all the pump up circumstance to channel or to
tap into those hire consciousnesses. You can do it just
by meditating it, directing your energy or went back to
the crest and again. But when you tumbled that woman
that was going to jump out of the window, and
you were very emotional, there was still a part of
you that wasn't and I could see that person was

(01:12:55):
directing the boat right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Well, the emotion wasn't me. I really felt like I
was in the backseat, like I was witnessing what was
going on, so me as the witness, could experience her
emotions and what she was feeling and seeing.

Speaker 9 (01:13:13):
And I think I recognize what it was because I'm
used to, well not necessarily that, but I'm used to
the different energies because We've done so many different exercises
and different things that I know how.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
To play in that area. But if you're not trained,
or you don't practice there, and you're just thrown in
and you're told to give your prophetic vision, you don't
know what you're doing. I think that's part of the
problem with all of these organizations too, is because they're
coming from that Christian background where it's not allowed for

(01:13:48):
the most part, except for in some you know, certain sex,
but even there they're not trained. The Holy Spirit enters
your body, you know, and that's it, and then you
do whatever. You dance, you cry, you're seeing you talking tongues.

(01:14:09):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
I was thinking about this, Like you would probably be
really good in this evidem movement.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
We could be on top of the mountains. What when
do you want to take I'll conquer another one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
If we've fed into the bullshit, would be really good.
We'd be profits used to be doling out that information
so quick you create your own fullse narrative. Also joined
the rag so fast. See. And that's the scary part
about it, because there's a huge movement of people who
are pigan moving in to the all right right now,

(01:14:41):
there's there's a huge movement of people going, well, this
feels better to me, This makes more sense to me.
There's structure and there's foundation here. So this is very true.
It's a power graph. It's an egotistical kind of thing.
There's a lot of which is who are like, I'm
about Christ now because I can do the prophet thing

(01:15:04):
during virtue.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yeah, Russell brand just he just converted to Christianity too, That's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
What I'm saying. I've heard so many people that I
used to follow and be like, well, I believe in
Christ now, so all this other stuff is bullshit. But
I'm not all a prophet for Jesus, so I only
give celling for Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Which is probably the exact same thing. They're just saying
it's Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
And I guess maybe weird Lee enough during Virtue had
her pulse on the future without even realizing it. She
was one of the first. She was tapping into the
energy of now and she moved along with it. She's
really scary if you think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, but how many people does she take with her?

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
A lot, a lot, A lot, a lot of lat
She was creating Jesus decks there for a little while.
Oh was she?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I thought she can of all of that up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
She was until she went full ham and then she
let it go. But the last two decks she did
what about Jesus, Jesus as the as a prophet?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
M yeah, but I mean again, still, she just rebranded everything.
She went from the hay House ascended masters still you
know in that theosophical I Am movement thread to Jesus,
same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
The same energy, same as this, It's same as dan ar. Yeah,
we're just you know, we're creating a new narrative and
then you know, using the correct language. And I wonder if.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
During Virtue got involved with a movement like this, if
somebody talked to her from within the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Movement what I read and according to what people have
said online, I don't know how much this is true.
She remarried and that person is very much he was
all right, okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Yeah, And so that's when she slided her hair dark
and shifted because she recognized the energy. She recognized what
they were talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
It's not even a jump, it's more like just a
step over. Yeah, it's all the same manergy. Now we
have demons, and we have an opposing force, and we
have the Lord's work in the seven M movement. She
could do exactly what she was doing and be a
prophet and nothing would change. Yep, the language. So yeah,

(01:17:35):
I'm pretty sure she did.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
So with that, what advice do you have two people
who are seeing these changes and are confused or don't
know what to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Do, asked it to a loaded question. What I would
like to see people do is fight back through resistance magic,
learn about your history. Like one thing that I've been
and people think I'm nutty around here, is I've been
reading a lot about Hitler, and I've been reading a
lot about cults, and then I'm also reading but a
lot about resistance magic and how the correlation between resistance

(01:18:11):
magic and politics work, and how witches have changed history,
because I really do believe that that is part of it.
I really do believe that we always tend to be escapegoats,
we always tend to be the sacrifices. I think that
resistance magic is a way to take that power back.
And she used the same energy against the right people

(01:18:33):
that are manipulating it. But you have to do it strategically,
and we've got to stop worrying about bullshit like oh
my god, he hasn't a gregor. He can't be destroyed.
Of course he can, and all gregors can be destroyed,
even if people are feeding energy into it. But you
chip away at the tentacles of it, you tip away
at the seven Mountains, and youtib away at the foundation

(01:18:53):
of the a gregar and enough people do that and
enough people fight back, it does become a powerful force.
Being be as powerful, but it definitely keeps it from growing.
And the more people that know and the more knowledge
you have, and the more you realize that it's an illusion,

(01:19:14):
and the more people know that it's an illusion, and
the less people will buy into it. And I think
that's the way to do it. But it feels so
silly when I say it, because it's so grassroots. But yeah,
what about you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Yeah, what you were saying about knowledge, really understanding what's
going on and having the knowledge to see the mind
games that are being played and recognizing because the truth
in what's going on, and not getting wrapped up in
the fear and the sensationalism. Because I'm gonna come back

(01:19:51):
to listening to your intuition. I think I say that
a lot on these podcasts, but that's really what it
comes down to, is listening to your tuition and what
is right and what is true and not letting the
see or get in the way. And then if you
want to do the resistance, magic or you know, or
whatever it is. I mean that knowledge is power.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
It's really profound, Like intuition is really it. It's like,
that's the answer to great knowledge and intuition. It's not
being afraid, like there are so many times who are like,
oh my god, it's a conspiracy theory. You know it's
probably not, so don't be afraid. Like everyone was like, well,
I don't want to be a conspiracy theorists, but I
think the election was rigged. And I'm like, say it louder,

(01:20:32):
like who cares? And what's a conspiracy theory?

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
It doesn't matter, say it all right, because that dissonance
and that's what you need, right but right, you do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
You need different perspectives because the more perspectives there are,
the more it opens people up to see differently than
maybe the groove that they're in, and it can take
them out of that thought process, you know, open their
eyes where they see the knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Seven. Next podcast, we're going to talk about theosophy, more
about Alice Bailey, more about how theosophy turned into all
these other things, and then I want to talk about Atlantis.
We'll see where this goes and we'll talk more about
it and just keep informing the masses. Yes, So with that,
we'll see you on the flip step