Ariana Grande: MKULTRA Mind Control, Kabbalah Witchcraft & the Illuminati Victim Theory

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Today we'll find out if Ariana Grande is a lumening confirmed.

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Did she really dabble with demons, Kabala and MK Ultra style mind control?
Or is she just another child star chewed up by the machine?
Today we're going to revisit the topic that got me torched back in 2018 for being a bad boy.
And I'm going to push it even further.
I'm pushing deeper and I'm pushing harder than ever before.
We're going to connect her family ties to the military industrial complex or

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Nickelodeon past, the Manchester incident.
Kabala bracelets, demon stories, butterfly symbolism and those bizarre missing years,
memory confessions is Ariana Grande and Illuminati witch or an abused pond
involved in something much darker.
Join me today on a call some of those in the pop culture with your boy, the occult experts in 2011.
Isaac Wiseau.

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But today's going to be the test if they're really letting me back into their good
graces or if this is going to be the third channel to get the
the hot treatment.
But today we're going to revisit the subject that they got my first channel banned
back in the day to really test the whole thing.
Okay.

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Back in 2014, I wrote up a piece on the IlluminatiWatre.com blog about Ariana Grande.
And I am going to unpack some of those details here today.
Alabry and expand on them in things that have happened since then, which there's been a lot.
And we're going to really take a good look at little little and we all look

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at the Grande.
Easily my worst impression.
I hate that one.
It's terrible.
I do it because she's nasally.
Right.
She sounds really nasally to me.
And I don't know if she gets a New York accent from me.
I don't know.
It needs a lot of work.
Okay.
Now, to preface this whole conversation, we have to talk about the concept about artists

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being involved with the Illuminati, right?
Are these Ariana Grande and the Illuminati?
That's what some people would lead you to believe.
Or are they just used by the Illuminati?
I'm more of the pawn theory.
I think these artists are part of a agenda in the sense that they are stakeholders.

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They are just, you know, the Illuminati, right?
So the secret society that rolls the world secretly, pushing us down to Lucifer and one world order.
And these artists are, they just want to be artists, man.
I believe she's a theater nerd through and through.
And I think a lot of these people, they just want to get paid for what they love to do.

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And they become more powerful at a certain point.
But then the power, the people that are really in power keep them in check.
So I, you know, stick with me and we'll explain.
So all you little Arianeaters don't at me.
This isn't an attack against her.
Also, when will you wake up?

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All right.
Wake up.
Let's start out with the family affairs of her family's connections to the military industrial complex and Hollywood and all that stuff.
We're going to start with the family because, you know, a lot of these child stars get roped into the Hollywood system.
And my hot take is it's because the parents want to live through their kids, which is crazy because then they set them up to hang out with these demons and vampires that want to do all kinds of awful things.

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And, you know, if you watch the quiet on set documentary, which we're going to talk about today, you can see how this happens.
And you say, what the hell are all these parents? Look, I don't have kids.
I don't have that whatever that happens, whatever that weird switch flips and people that they can't look at a child as like, look, I got to prepare this human for adulthood to be a responsible adult instead.

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They're like, I'm going to live through the kid.
I'm going to, yeah, I'm going to be a famous Hollywood actress.
Yeah. So I'm going to put them in dangerous positions where I'm not even around and unsupervised with these people that are literal, you know, PEDOs.
Careful language. Careful language. Don't want to be a bad boy on the YouTube.
Now her mother, Joan Grande, she is the president of NCEO of hose McCann communications, which is a puzzle piece in the military industrial complex.

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I'm going to read you from the hose.
I got hose. The whole I got hose.com website here.
The system was adopted by the US military, talking about the, they make communication systems and they're talking about their connections with the military.
Okay. The system is adopted by the US military proved to be virtually indestructible in 1994.

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One of the hose McCann telephone systems was found aboard the World War II Liberty ship, the SS Brown in perfect working order, implying that it was there for like 50 years, right, chilling.
The company was purchased by the Grande family in 1964 and eventually moved to Deerfield Beach, Florida to be closer to the booming marine and ship building industry with the purchase of United Marine Canada's premier communication specialist in 1999.

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The hose McCann became the world's first maritime communications superstar. As leaders in the marine industry, hose McCann communication solutions are used by the US, Canadian coast guards, the US Navy and by the world's leading maritime nations.
So what do they do exactly? Well, I looked it up a little bit deeper. It's a smaller workforce. It's a private company.

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There's a ton of about what's going on there, but their website tells us that they designed build and support custom systems for marine vessels, military included industrial plants, high-rise buildings, tunnels, transportation hubs, you know, schools, hospitals, prisons, you know, prison industrial complexes.
And I forgot about those guys.

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Defense and Homeland Security installations, right. So they're plugged in.
And as far as I can tell, it's basically all about communication systems going back to the 1920s, specifically over the water.
So the US military, of course, interested in having them as a contractor. Now is there something nefarious here? I mean, not as far as I can tell, there are countless,

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countless contractors that work for the US military, which is a massive complex. Right. We're talking a trillion dollars a year.
A giant chunk of our taxes go to pay for this. It's arguably a jobs program.

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And I don't know. I looked into it. I couldn't find anything that was like, oh, they were involved with this operation or something crazy. So I couldn't find a whole lot on that. But it is a private company. So I mean, who knows, right?
I'm not saying no, I'm just saying, I don't know.
Let's look at her brother now. He's in the interesting part of her family.

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Frankie, Frankie Grande was on Big Brother back in 2014 when Ariana was, you know, she was already popping back then. I did my whole article about her back then. So she was definitely on the radar.
But people were saying that the whole production of Big Brother was catered to make sure Frankie looked good. So Ariana looked good.

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You know, because she had already been on Nickelodeon since 2010. And allegedly, Frankie is very involved in her career. And he's been seen as her handler as well because every M. K. Altruvictum's got a handler.
He's been doing musicals since 2001.

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So, you know, before Ariana would get into any kind of theater, because both of them were really into this theater stuff. But he encouraged Ariana to get into it as well.
All right. Frankie Grande also, you know, I don't, I should have looked at it. I don't know if he's gay for sure. I assume he is. He seems very gay.

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If he's not, I'd be surprised, which is probably where Ariana Grande gets her ally status with LGBTQ. Not that there's a problem with any of this at all. Okay, just to be crystal clear with you guys. I'm a big time LGBT supporter.
Not very common place to be found in the conspiracy circle. But that's I'm just look, I talk about everything. I leave no stone unturned. You decide what you want to do with that information.

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Now, Frankie and Ariana's mother, Joan Grande. So Frankie and Joan run a production company called Diamond Dog Entertainment as well.
So you could see that they're very interested in this whole business side of show business, which leads me to believe that maybe she is one of these terrible parents.

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Maybe I don't know her, but it seems like we've got enough warning stories about kids that get involved with acting too young and getting famous too young and eroding their whole lives.
Yeah, that's my judgment. I shall judge from my high horse, which takes us into her starting out with Nickelodeon and MK Ultra theories and so on. Okay.

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So Frankie's involved with musicals as far back as 2001 he talks Ariana and getting into musicals. She lands her first Broadway show 2008.
It's called 13 ironically also the number of the witches and a cousin, you know, a cult stuff. And when we're going to talk later on about wicked, we'll talk about the actual witchcraft that she could be involved with.

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So she does this first Broadway then she gets signed with Nickelodeon in 2010 for a show called victorious then a spin off in 2013 called Sam and cat.
And she starts releasing her own music albums around this time.
She starts acting in later on she starts acting in movies like don't look up with my boy Leo. I did a whole show on the Netflix film don't look up and the symbolism within that look go back in the archives to on the podcast feed for that.

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Whatever month it came out I don't know three years ago she would also start wicked which I also did a film analysis for in December of 2024 scroll back on the feed for that as well.
And I'll put links in the show notes for a lot of the things I talk about today by the way.
And the twist at Ariana Grande is one of the most successful human beings to ever get involved with entertainment. One of the highest selling music artists of all time.

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She was the highest paid female musician in 2020.
She's got all the awards Grammys billboards AMAs MTV VMAs the Guinness Book of World Records number one albums number one hits.
And she's the sixth most most followed person on all of Instagram.

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So let's go back to my original point about how do we know if these artists are in the Illuminati or not well I don't know if she is or not.
But I do know when you reach that level of fame and power your very influential.
But could it be that the Illuminati who want to create the Luciferian One World Order would say hey this is one way we can really push our agenda is to go through this influential person.

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And that's what I believe in the theory of the Illuminati is that they create this entertainment industry they decide who can rise to the top but the people that rise to the top have a debt to pay.
And I think they get to they might have a say and get to choose what part of that debt they pay maybe for Ariana they're like hey we want you to push your surveillance police state and she's like what I really want to do that.

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And I know okay what about pagan stuff and she'll be like okay I'm down for that.
I think they I think they all do some kind of part to influence the younger generation to get involved in something.
Now what's that something? What's that something? Well I lay out what that something is in my book the dark path available in Amazon Audible and sign paper acts at occult symbolism.com I'm actually think I'm sold out now I got two copies left but new ones are coming on the way.

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So Ariana was notoriously absent from this Nickelodeon documentary expose a called quiet on set.
Quiet on set excuse me for my throat.
The quiet on set documentary is all about highlighting the abuses of children at Nickelodeon studios.

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I also did a two part series on this documentary breaking down the characters involved Brian Peck, Dan Schneider, who was the nerd from.
Was it better off dead Drake Bell Ariana Grande's Leo DiCaprio my boy Brian Peck was his acting coach.

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And on the documentary we saw we didn't you didn't see from Ariana at all she provided no input but they did play clips of her that were very sus.
She's putting feet in her mouth and we know that Dan Schneider is in the feet she's pouring water on herself in bed.
Very sus. Then she the documentary sort of switches gears to talk about Amanda Bines as well as being going through a lot as you can see and she's also probably worthy of a whole deep dive because she's been pushing a lot of strange things into the public.

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But the scenes that Ariana was I would argue forced to do for the shows on Nickelodeon were referred to on the documentary as morally murky indeed.
So yeah and check out the two part series I did on that if you want a deep dive into quiet on set pretty crazy stuff on there then Brian Peck of course got in trouble for all his stuff and a lot of celebrities came out and wrote these letters of endorsement for him which I found strange to begin with like why would these celebrities put their next on the line to defend a guy who you know it wasn't like some director it's strange stuff.

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Ariana basically got put on by Nickelodeon right and this is the path that we see many young stars get initiated through Nickelodeon is you know no different than Disney in that these young child stars are subjected to something that results in a condition where there's various outbreaks of insanity and weirdness over the years like Ariana Grande looking the doughnuts at the donut shop.

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You can remember that one.
But another example of what we're talking about would be my they Cyrus right she was on Disney's Hannah Montana.
Child star then all of a sudden within a couple years she's at the VMAs to work on Robin Dick which was a big controversy at the time.
But she was also pushing crazy music videos with tons of symbolism packed in like she had the the X and O mark of the anti-Christ symbolism over her eyes.

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I was covering her pretty intensely during the blogging days as well.
In fact, my least I was went on record to say that she wants to lower Ariana down this path towards the abyss.
And this is on Perez Hilton here's what my they said quote I don't have a bunch of celebs friends because I feel like some of them are a little scared of the association.

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I was backstage with Ariana Grande I'm like walk out with me right now and get this picture and this will be the best thing that happens to you.
Because just you associating with me makes you a little less sweet.
She's trying I see her wearing the shorter things she comes in and she goes this made me feel like you and I'm like that was like my sixth grade prom dress.

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And a lot of a lot of conspiracy people they get into this sort of culture war element of this where they're like oh they're pushing they're pushing you know horse behavior on the kids they want girls to be this that the other.
And I'm not denying that there's no component to that for me personally I don't find the you know the sexual stuff doesn't bother me.

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But I what does bother me is that when it's like underage girls like I'm like yo why you telling this like underage girl to like show a little bit more skin like sketchy right.
Where do they get these ideas from.
What do you think they get these ideas from.
Some theorists claim that these stars get subjected to adult like behaviors abuses so on.

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That's what the quiet on set documentary was all about.
But you could also argue they get subjected to mind control experiments like the CIA's MK ultra particularly there's a sub program called project monarch.
Which you see a lot of these you know area on and a lot of these young stars they show a lot of symbols with butterflies but for me it's like I don't know it's hard to know because like little girls like butterflies what are you going to do about that right.

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But I'm more interested in some of the real behaviors that these young artists show that could indicate that they were a victim of such mind control programming right.
And when you see a lot of the re on butterflies and so on and a lot of these other symbols that we'll talk about later on it's it's arguable that these were placed there and planted into their works as a way of their handlers sort of telling others in the know that they've been subjected to this sort of thing.

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With the butterfly in particular it's supposed to show the idea of a metamorphosis of change and this comes from Fritz spring Myers book the Illuminati formula used to create an undetectable total mind control slave I'll read you a brief.
So segment from the monark butterfly learns where it was born and it passes this knowledge via genetics onto its offspring from generation to generation this is one of the key animals that tips scientists off the knowledge can be passed genetically the monark program is based upon Illuminati and Nazi goals to create a master race in part through genetics.

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If knowledge can be passed genetically then it's important that parents be found that can pass the correct knowledge onto those victims selected for monarch mind control.
The primary important factor for the trauma based mind control is the ability to dissociate disassociate.
It was discovered that this ability is passed genetically from generation to generation American Indian tribes who had traumatic ritual dances and who would wait motionless for hours when hunting children of fuck years in India who would sleep on a bed of nails or walk on hot coals children of yogis those skilled in yoga that would have control over their body to bed Buddhist children of the voodoo, Bizango and other groups have a good ability to disassociate.

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The children of multi generational abuse are also good at disassociation.
The Illuminati families in European occultists went to India and to bet to study occultism and Eastern philosophy.
These Europeans learned yoga tantric yoga meditations, transes and other methods to disassociate these skills are passed on to their children via genetics.

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A test is run when the children are about 18 months old to determine if they can disassociate enough to be selected for programming or not.
So it's arguable that if if Joan is involved with the military industrial complex Joan could be involved with the CIA and maybe they learn these things who knows right.

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But that's the foundation of this claim and the theory of the project monarch stuff.
Now part of the Mind Control programming is also the the kitten programming or beta programming.
And we see this kind of behavior from Ariana Grande she was like in Love Me Harder she's wearing the kitten ears.

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And she was seen with the kitten ears a bunch.
And you'll see in the video there's not doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for those being there like why are we pushing this kitten programming stuff.
Another example would be a there was a video when she was young of her and Liz Gillies and they're running around the house.
They're acting possessed or something and at a certain point in the video it appears like they're trying to pull their teeth out.

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Which is strange because the Margot Kitter did this in real life.
She's the actress who played Lois Lane in the original Superman movies.
She was also in the Amity Bill Harb.
But some theorists claim that Margot Kitter there's a theory going around it for a while that she because she literally pulled her teeth out.

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She had a mental break and some people claim that she did this because so she could avoid the aliens right.
And in the Guardian they explained what happened to Margot Kitter and it says it as this.
Paranoid convinced her first husband was going to take her out. She ran away and lived rough to avoid being recognized.

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She hacked her hair off and pulled out some teeth to alter her dental records.
Homeless confused she acquired a stalker and narrowly avoided an attack.
She was found shivering under a family's porch near the studios where Superman was shot ironically right.
Police intervention saved her and she got back on track.
So there seems to be something involved there too. That's very strange behavior right.

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Then in 2018 at Aretha Franklin's funeral are around a Grande performed.
And if you recall Bill Clinton was in attendance. Bill Clinton, a star in the Epstein files.
And people thought Bill was enjoying himself a little too much watching this young girl right.

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And now that we, I mean not now but people always knew about the Epstein connection it's like extra creepy right.
And this ties into the the MK Ultra Theory is about the programmed kitten or the presidential diamond programming right.
It's about these girls being used by the elites just like the Epstein files.

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Kathy O'Brien describes it in her book Transformation of America but lots of strange stuff here right.
And in February just recently in 2025, Ariana Grande was doing a public speaking thing on the on the smart less podcast.

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She was publicly speaking about her own memory loss right.
She says I'm missing a couple of years. I'm super serious from that time.
I'm literally missing a few years referring to when she was first became famous right.
She says she doesn't remember it. She says she has a literal memory loss.

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Could it be that she disassociated. Could it be that she was going through some kind of traumatic abuse at this time frame.
Then the next month in March 2025 she released a music video called Brighter Days ahead.
Which I covered on a substack post and it echoes a lot of these ideas and symbolism of the MK Ultra style mind control programming specifically memory erasing.

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Which again, that's what Ariana was saying was happening to her and she's showing us in the music videos.
And it's very she lays it out.
In the same way that you saw with eternal sunshine of the smallest mind starting Jim Carrey who's got his own host of conspiracies were going to do a deep dive on him someday here.

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I got it on my to do list.
And then it was further reinforced on a multi song video that she released called eternal sunshine right.
There's no it's obviously a reference to that which is all about erasing someone's memory literal mind control programming.
And in the music video she shows you see the black and white checkered pattern floor of the Freemasons.

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You see a UFO abduction and possession and all kinds of stuff right.
And the occult symbolism is supporting MK Ultra style experiments because Dr. Jolly West was working on guess what mind disassociation.
Right. He was the one working on the creation of altars with sub project 43 and you know.

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And when they talked about the occult when Fritz Pringland talked about the people who do this stuff study the occult they were doing this with MK Ultra as a sub program called MK often.
The stay subscribed to my channel as I'm doing an MK Ultra deep dive someday I keep buying new books. I don't know.

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I keep trying to learn more massive topic.
I'm going to do my best though it's probably going to be a three or four maybe even five episodes.
The area on the ground a brighter days ahead symbolism go to my go to illuminati watcher that sub stack calm I did a full article on there.
Then we so we talked about the occult a bunch right well there's one system in the occult one of the core systems of the occult is Kabala all right.

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When you talk about the occult there's a lot of studies you've got to understand to see where these thoughts come from her metasism mysticism alchemy and Kabala they're all in this little camp and you know rose accrucianism even.
But Kabala specifically there's many flavors of Kabala but the generalized idea what Kabala is is the the blue and lights.

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It's a blue and white mysticism that believes in this force of evil that was a remnant of the universe that existed before ours and there's a primal form of cosmos with unbalanced forces so their ideas they want to balance those things out.
This is again the opposing polarities the black and white checkered floor on area on his videos.

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You know the black and white coming together it's go with the bobs right we're goons with the bobs and from here you get various flavors of no stasism and free masonry.
But the idea is that salvation comes about when the practitioners rise above the the material world by utilizing a call practices to make contact with the define and that's my.

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My thesis here is that Ariana Grande's role in the the big system is to push the occult practices.
So in Kabala they use a tree of life the capitalistic tree of life it's a diagram that maps out the path that these initiates need to understand to make contact with the gods.

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Another symbol they use is the red string bracelet the red string bracelet is a talisman it goes back to the blue and white tradition of warning off evil kind of like in the Greek culture about they wear an eye it's intended to be a good luck home amulet to ward off the evil eye.
And this comes from the Torah the book of Genesis when Judah impregnates his daughter in law.

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With twins and the woman tomorrow she is a midwife in the midwife.
The story is crazy the midwife puts the red string bracelet on one of the twins because one twins busses little arm out of the womb the midwife ties a little red string on that hand on that wrist and then that one is the second to be born.

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Strange stuff right.
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Through the Philip Berg Cabal center where celebs go for their.
Capitalistic needs and you see lots of celebrities wearing this red string bracelet once you know what you're looking for rent.
My Cabal Queen Madonna wears one Michael Jackson did Leo to cap real supposedly one one Tucker Carlson wears one.

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Tucker Carlson on an interview he did about the dark enlightenment stuff which I found fascinating and I'll probably show about that to since I'm an early exposure of the dark enlightenment.
Tucker said on the interview that no it's not a red string Cabal braces it's a rubber band it's rubber band it means nothing.

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Okay Tucker it because Tucker's daddy was in the CIA wasn't he it's Intel or something.
Anyway the I'm talking trash about Tucker I don't I don't know if the guy don't listen to him I hear some things I like here something that don't like.
You know anyway the Greeks they wear the evil eye and the same way that.

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In Cabal they wear the red string bracelet that's all the way of warding off evil so that sounds all right right.
And it's a form of a potra I'm gonna mispronounce this apotropaic magic.
Which means in Greek to ward off and it's basically a good luck charm right so that's what the red string bracelet is it's a good luck charm.

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It's like knocking on wood and the I have a hoarse was also one of these forms of ambulance.
For protection now fun fact the ancient Greeks also used to dress boys as girls to avert to evil eye.
Frankie Grande a boy that dresses like a girl.
Why are they why are these young kids why is kids so worried about evil why they're trying to ward off evil and this is like the theory you hear about with.

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When you see rockers that are using satanic imagery and stuff dark topics wearing the cross like Ozzy Osborne right.
The prince of darkness himself or cross and they're talking about very dark subjects well the idea is that.
The energies that are dabbling in are dark therefore they need some forces of light to keep them protected.

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So Ariana she's been seen wearing these red string cabala bracelets over the years right.
In November 2013 she told us she switched from Catholicism to cabala.
She said she did this because the pope told her that everything she loved was wrong when I read you from Metro website.

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I was born Roman Catholic but I lost faith when the pope decided to tell me everything I loved and believed in was wrong.
She added that she started losing her faith when the Vatican apparently started criticizing her favorite cartoons.
The church said SpongeBob SquarePrant says gay and he's a sinner and he should burn in hell.
I didn't know that the pope said that that's pretty wild.

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And Harry Potter was a sin and working women.
I was like enough first the gays then SpongeBob and now Harry Potter get out of my house.
I was not having it and the working woman thing it was a moment for me I needed something else to believe in.
The star says following mages lead mages Madonna that's her cabala name.

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The star says following mages lead has given her a winning approach to life.
It's the practice of being a good person and how that will manifest good things in your life.
People don't really realize that if you are kind you can make all sorts of things happen for you.
So the match of course means that she was messing around with Madonna.

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And she was chummy with Madonna and there's a 2015 interview with V Magazine and Ryan Murphy addressed this exact topic when I read you the dialogue that he had.
Ryan says well I can't wait until people find out about the movie stuff you and I have been putting together that's going to be announced.
Ariana replied I know me neither.

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We should make subliminal Madonna references throughout the film I love Madonna.
I met her a few times and she was so overwhelmingly kind and sweet down to earth and motherly.
She's very maternal I practice cabala as well.
So that was one of the first things she mentioned because I had my so hard in my pocket.
She may have noticed maybe not but she brought it up and we danced together at her Oscar party.

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That's all I could ever ask for.
She inspires me endlessly. I'm so inspired by her fearlessness.
Like this is me and if you don't like it go after yourself. That's so cool.
You know.
So what else does she have this capitalistic? Well she's got a tattoo of it.
She has a tattoo called the 72 names of God. Her and her brother Frankie got these tattoos that support their belief in cabala.

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Here's a Franky said about it on Twitter.
My finger tattoo is the 72 names of God I meditated on during billboard 16 comps and since it worked so well I got it hashtag cabala.
She's referring to the Shem Ham Faurash. Shem Ham Faurash which was used in ritual magic for the himetic order of the golden dawn.

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One of many Alistair Crowley influence magical orders.
And if you go to a September 2014 issue of Rolling Stone there's a Q&A article with Ariana where they broached the subject of demons and a couple of leaves.
And this is how I went down Rolling Stone says everyone is fascinated by your accounts of seeing real life demons most recently at a haunted castle in Kansas City.

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Ariana says.
Oh my God. Here I should do the voice. Oh my God. All anybody wants to talk about his demons with me. I am a demon and I practice cabala and I'm a vegan.
That's what people think. They're like this girl is cray and I haven't really seen anything in a long time.
Rolling Stone says maybe the VMAs will alert the demons and they will be back. Ariana laughs. The pop music demons. What are you even talking about?

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She was also on a. Oh sorry my notes are still trying to learn how to do this teleprompers thing sorry guys.
She was also so yeah so she talks very openly about this while also dismissing these ideas which is crazy because you obviously believe in a spiritual realm.

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So to imply that demons don't exist or something is kind of crazy to me especially when you're talking about magic you're talking about actually making contact with entities that we don't have the discernment know if they are angels or demons.
She was also on an Australian talk show and they asked her about the same subject and she replied that her whole family is into this dark stuff.

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Alright so you can see how there's a lot of occult influences and to go back to the what the Pope said and the Pope was like I guess he said the sponge Bob Squarepants was gay I didn't know that.
And Harry Potter is evil well I don't know if Harry Potter is evil but I do know Harry Potter is occult activity right.
It's influenced an entire generation to get a bunch of philosophers stone free Mason tattoos JK Rowling has the go with the Bob's tattoos on her arm.

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I mean I don't know how can't get more cult than that and the Christians do believe that the occult practices are not good it says it in the Bible.
So I mean it's up to you what you want to do with that right like I don't judge people you want to get into the stuff I don't care but if you want to be a Christian like it's kind of in the books is not to do this stuff.

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And look I'm fascinated by it too I consume all this awful content and pop culture I've also ghost hunted I did a whole mean my wife on breaking social norms that a two hour ghost hunting episode just recently where we talked about our experience of making contact with entities.
It's crazy stuff it's fascinating for sure.
Anyhow break free is a music video that she did where she's fighting aliens and she is wearing the red string Kabbalah bracelet you clearly see the catalyst tree of life in the video.

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And the aliens also have this weird symbol that looks a lot like the Freemasonic compass in square so to wrap this part up yes Ariana is a hundred percent in the Kabbalah she's confessed it many times.
There's no debating that subject it's a fun fact if you will now she implied that she was messed around with demons and magic a little bit right.
So we got to unpack that some more because Kabbalah is associated with magic it's not identically the same but it's got these elements of contacting the divine through this practice on the tree of life right.

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So the tree of life is basically the ten Sephiroths the emanations of God and it uses Jammatria like the 72 names of gods angels it's based on mysticism and the mystical.
But there's like I said there's multiple flavors of Kabbalah you've got the blue and white Kabbalah which is more based on their religion but then there's an occult hermetic Kabbalah there's even a Christian Kabbalah which goes to the middle ages and John D and Renaissance magic.

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But hermetic Kabbalah that's the occult one that uses well more occulted than the others I would argue.
And it uses use Alchemy, Tarot, Astrology and it's part of the Western ceremonial or high magic system.

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And I wrote an article in November 2013 where Ariana Grande talks about demons in an interview with Complex Magazine and you'll see her rise from childhood star to her dabbling in the dark arts and she talked about this supernatural thing right.

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And here's some significant things I thought were they to pull out of the interview because to me it's very much that they're trying to normalize a lot of these occult ancient new age practices through the entertainment industry through Harry Potter right.
They get children to perform literal magic spells there was a show called Tree Tom Foo that was having the kids stand front the TV and do these sort of what do you call it martial arts can.

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And it doesn't matter doing magical things right and there yeah and this is in you know I grew up with watching masters of the universe and all this stuff is very magical centered right so here's the interview complex says you're obsessed with Harry Potter.
And I said I'm a big nerd I love Lord of the Rings I love Harry Potter I love scary movies I love dinosaurs science aliens ghosts not so weird I suppose but then the interview the interviewer asked her if she's seen aliens and she starts talking about demons which is you know tying into this whole theory.

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Complex says have you ever seen an alien arian says not an alien but I've had a ghost demon experience we were in Kansas City a few weeks ago here's this Kansas City Castle thing.
We went to this haunted castle and we're so excited the next night we went to go to stall cemetery which is known as one of these seven gates to hell on earth.

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The Pope won't fly over it I felt the sick overwhelming feeling a negativity over the whole car and we smelled sulfur which is the sign of a demon and there was a fly in the car randomly which is another sign of a demon I was like this is scary let's leave.
I rolled down the window before we left and said we apologize we didn't mean to disrupt your peace then I took a picture and there are three super distinct faces in the picture.

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Their faces of textbook demons. Complex asked to see the picture arian says I deleted it the next day I tried to send the picture to my manager and it said this file can't be sent it's 666 megabytes.
I'm not kidding I used to have a folder called demons that had pictures with all the screen caps in it but then weird things started happening to me so I deleted it.

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I was going to sleep about two weeks ago I just got off the phone and as soon as I close my eyes I heard this really loud rumble right by my head.
When I opened my eyes it stopped immediately but when I closed my eyes it started again with whispers.
Every time I closed my eyes I started seeing those really disturbing images with red shapes.
Then I opened my eyes and got back on the phone and was like I'm really scared and I don't want to go to bed tonight.

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Then I scooched over to the left side of my bed because that's where the best services in my room and there was this massive black matter.
I don't know what it was it was like a cloud of something black right next to me I started crying I was on the phone like what do I do what do I do and they said tell it to F off.
I thought I'm not going to do that it's going to get upset.
So I'm just going to chill and not feed into it because all at once is fear it feeds on fear.

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I watched it move to the front of my bed then I fell asleep on the phone. I woke up and it was gone.
The next night my friend Tyler was staying with me.
She said she was trying to sleep and her body felt paralyzed and she described the same exact thing that I saw.
Then complex probably moves and says and look by the way let's point out the irony here.

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She moves from Catholicism to Kabala because the pope told her Harry Potter was going to get her into the occult stuff.
Which was specifically Kabala.
She talks about how much she loves Harry Potter.
She starts dabbling in the occult with Kabala she starts dabbling in the occult going to haunted cursed grounds.

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Then she has this scary experience of making her cry and paralyze in her sleep.
And then she I guess she doesn't put the pieces together like oh that's why the pope told me not to do this.
Okay, Ariana you got it.
Let's rub those two brain cells together for once.
And that's my and that's why I look at this thing and I say look man you want to mess with ghosts and all this alien stuff like I don't care.

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I think it's fascinating too. I also was dabbling with this stuff.
But I also stopped doing it because I mean he said oh man on this stuff is real and I don't want any of this weird dark energy near me.
But she apparently didn't learn that lesson. I don't know.
Because worse things happen which we'll talk about next.

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But complex magazine they shift gears of course why not they say what do you think of the transition?
And I think Cyrus is going through because again this is during the sort of let's work on old Robin thick after Hannah Montana.
Ariana says if it's not your taste don't look at it.
I get so hyped up about the mildly thing because I think she's cool.

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Complex is but it is a drass or transformation.
Ariana says sure as long as she's happy though.
So speaking of illuminate confirming.
What's the point about the illuminati symbolism of you know area like Grande's.
There is we need to understand why matters first.
So first we're going to look at a book called symbols of the goddess by Claire Gibson where.

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She talks about an example of early Greek and Roman psychiatry early you know psycho analysts.
With sessions where clients were drawing trees and mandala circles.
And these universal symbols represent the tree of life.
And young Carl Jung attributed it to a genetic mental blueprint.

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And then he made this theory of the collective unconscious that defines universal archetypes for symbols.
And he thought there was three sort of areas of the mind the conscious the personal unconscious and the collective unconscious.
And this collective unconscious is this universal one that's the one that symbolism speaks through.
Where we all see a symbol and we understand it on a subconscious level.

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And then these ideas they they manifest through you know all these symbols that we see of triangles and horns and all seeing eyes right.
And Carl Jung thought that the symbols like the moon and the sun which are opposing polarities are there go with the bobs.
These are subconsciously understood by us as the dual principles like mother father masculine feminine warrior princess god and goddess and so on.

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Carl Jung described it as an attempt to explain the reasons behind the creation and future direction of both the cosmos and humanity.
So does Ariana Grande is she ever pushed any of these symbols? Oh of course she has.
There are so many symbols.
We had the all seeing eye photos of course with the you know you could argue this symbolism of the eye of Horus the a out of Horus.

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Which is very much her right this she would also Crowley talked about the a out of Horus being the age of the crown of conquering child and she is that right she was a crown of conquering child she was very famous and powerful before she was an adult.
She had there was one I'll see if I can find these images and I'll put them up on the video.

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I got to look to the archives of my old blog photos that I didn't catalog very well.
A pentagram over the eye pentagram of course the the symbol of magic.
And in the bang bang video she had the all seeing eye at the 2016 AMA she did a 666 hand gesture thing right.
2014 she did a song with Iggy is Alia called problem whatever happened to Iggy is Alia where she's in a cage was a symbolic of the the bird cage the mk ultra enslavement of the mind right creating the altar trapped in the cage.

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At the billboard music or performance she was on a stage with a bunch of all seeing eyes she wore the checkered dress you know very go with the bobs.
The video had dancers on the Masonic checkered floor go with the bobs right.
She's done the valve silence which is the side of harbor crates that the initiates will not divulge the secrets of the group of the illuminati.

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There's symbolism around events that we need to talk about like the 2017 Manchester concert right.
The the boom the booming that happened there at the concert in Manchester and this was on May 22nd 2017.
Her concert just wrapped up in Manchester England and these religious extremists boomed the concert and took the lives of 22 people and injured over a thousand.

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And the claim the official claim the one around was that it was a response to the U.S. is intervention with the Syrian civil war.
Because this group was affiliated with all these extremist groups that claimed responsibility for the attack.
But what's interesting is the numerology of course was odd it happened on the 22nd at 22 31 right 10 31.

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And it took the lives of 22 so you got the repeated master number of 22 right which ironically I just on breaking social norms podcast.
We did it episode just this week last week about Sammy Heygar and his alien download and he is the craziest story he had an alien visitation it downloaded some ideas and it was brain he goes into his chicken coop and finds a book on numerology.

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And talks about the master number 22.
Crazy stuff I'll put a link in the show as you check that episode out it's pretty wild because he had a prophecy about the year 2025.
This is in the 70s and he wrote about it in his book that I read through from the show anyway.
Ariana Grande back in 2014 there was there was a there was a forum I don't know if it's still there anymore called godlike productions that used to be great.

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And on this on GLP that there was a claim going around that she wished her for her fans would die and she denied this.
And I ran this through chat GBT today I was like hey dude.
This is true right see if I could find any better sources.
And it said this it said in 2014 a tabloid style report alleged that after doing autographs and picks with fans during a radio station visit.

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Ariana supposedly said in the elevator I hope they all f'ing die.
And what's strange is I I clicked on the link that chap provided for this source and it takes me to some Australian website that links to the real source which came from the New York Daily news website.
But when you click that link it says oops that page can't be found so that's pretty curious.

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A sanitized internet so we're in for.
So Drake had just performed a song called Gialchester at the BBMA's the night prior to the Manchester incident.
Gialchester is a slang word in the West Indies for Manchester.

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And Drake did this at the Bellagio in Las Vegas inside of a giant circle a magic circle right.
Ariana Grande obviously didn't like that this happened to her fans and she would a week later do a tribute song for the victims on May 30th with a benefit concert called one love Manchester.

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And as part of this she released a charity single called over the rainbow she's very charitable right.
That's the one thing I a lot of conspiracy people to get they hate these artists are like oh they're pushing us down the illuminati agenda.
And I get that because I'm not saying they're not.
I think it could be unbeknownst to them either way like I get how you're like I don't really like how that where they're taking a lot of stuff but then I'm like yeah but they do a lot of more charitable works than some of these billionaire jerks right.

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Like Billy Irish I pick on her bunch but I'm like I have she caught up billionaire so I like I like that better than a billionaire sorry.
Who's more evil right the people that can actually cause real changes in our world because the immense wealth will never be able to spend.
Or you know someone who says they want to watch Harry Potter I don't know it's all subjective right.

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But she did a song called over the rainbow and Kathy O'Brien talked specifically about this song in her book about MK Ultra Micro Troll programming.
She said the annual televising of Judy Garland's Wizard of Oz was a cell was celebrated as a grand holiday around my house.
This was to prepare my mind for future base programming on the theme that I like Dorothy could spin into another dimension over the rainbow.

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After all birds fly over the rainbow was a theme that became a part of my life again birds bird cages again tied into the MK Ultra symbolism.
The over the rainbow scramble of dreams versus reality provides abusers a theme by which to manipulate the subconscious perception of switching personalities.

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Oftentimes the theme is transdimensional as is Oz or that which was just experienced was just a bad dream like Dorothy was told upon her awakening in her own bed back in Kansas now.
This opens an incredible floodgate of ideas right the with the Wizard of Oz over the rainbow over the rainbow is supposed to be a song that the MK Ultra Handlers play while they're trying to force it to association on their victim.

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To go into their alter mind go into the bird cage mind.
The movie eyes wide shut which I've done many many episodes on wrote a book called Cooper's code about it.
That proved to be one of the it's one of the deepest dives into the world of conspiracy and it has the over the rainbow costume shop again it's very much tied into the idea of the Illune out of elites knowing the truth about some of these things.

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Now in the last couple of years I've completed a 55 episode deep dive into the world of Twin Peaks and David Lynch on my podcast called the Gray Lodge.
And in it you we explored David Lynch in his obsession with the Wizard of Oz and it's arguable that he because he uses the symbolism many times into in peaks and it could be a way of.

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I don't know if disassociating but transferring the consciousness of the viewer into this new world which explains why it does feel like when you watch the peaks when you get into it you're like you really do feel like it's another world that you're like living in when you watch it's fascinating fascinating.
It also ties into the the world of Kenneth anger because Kenneth anger was contracting with a band called the magic powerhouse of Oz which was put together by Bobby Boseley from the Manson murders and they composed a score to Kenneth Angers movie Lucifer rising.

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Fun fact an English TV producer named Richard Haw claimed that this whole thing was a hoax at Manchester I should say let me zoom back out at Manchester and he claim that nobody got injured nothing really happened this just like Alex said with the whole you know where thing with all the stuff at that school.

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And he said nothing happened he ends up getting sued and he had to pay some of money to all these victims I don't I don't go that black pill myself personally I'm like is it possible sure anything's possible.
But yeah the Manchester thing was was 2017 and in 2019 Ariana releases a video for seven rings and it was full of sort of Saturn worship stuff like it shows a purple haze in the video.

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The purple haze is the sheath from Saturn when.
So during the supposed golden age earth was within the the the Saturn was the real sun and it gave a purple haze it was a great time apparently.
Or so they say on the cars hood there's a black sun image is you know the Saturn the sun behind the sun the hidden sun.

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And there's a symbolism of triangles and moons and twin pillars going up some stairs which is the the which is the twin pillars of the cablesic tree of life for the Freemasonic lodges or Boaz and Joaquin and Freemasonry it goes on and on and on right.
And the song lyrics are about materialism and wealth which is very Saturn based right Saturn is the material realm.

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Which makes sense because Saturn is described as having seven rings.
Caltech's website says specifically that there's four main groups of rings and three fainter narrower ring groups.
Then you've got Ariana's symbolism of witchcraft in 2018 she released a video called God as a woman that's the one that got me in trouble with YouTube.
And I talked about the many images of the occult feminine deities that are presented in this video.

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Persephone mother Gaia the Druid priestess the triple goddess or Hacati.
Which is interesting because Dion fortunes mystical cabala book which you know cabala.
Hacati is referenced as the goddess of witchcraft and enchantments.
Right.
And there's also symbols of the lighthouse as a symbol of illumination and Ariana is the is the lighthouse for humanity tie us into the goddess of isus and Egypt which is ties us into Manchester in the group that was claiming they did the thing.

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She also did a performance of this song at the 2018 MTV VMAs which was the set was designed to look like the last supper of Christ.
Recall the astro croly follower.
The kind of Arnold no can not kind of the last to you a foe guy Kenneth.
The kind of Arnold oh my gosh I can't even think yet Kenneth Grant that's the magician.

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Kenneth anger oh my god did I say Arnold earlier I'm at Kenneth anger Kenneth anger.
He was the guy that inspired MTV and music videos.
So he's the gunfather of MTV so that makes sense that she would be on MTV pushing.
You know questionable symbolism.

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The violence she was in wicked right where she plays a literal witch and again I did a film analysis in December 2024 we unpacked a ton of stuff from you know the part one.
And she was promoting it on a show called Zach sang where she talked about how she loves tarot and astrology and she does tarot for her co stars.
She claimed to do a terror reading for Jim Carrey also tying us into eternal sunshine.

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And she says that she is the witchiest witch.
Huh.
And then SNL's bone Yang who's also in wicked talked about the terror readings and said that she was in her element and he told her you know you should do this for a living she was so good at it.

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And then Ariana is dating Ethan Slater the guy who plays the woodsman the munchkin who loves to go into the witch Ariana with scan list is that they allegedly started dating during the filming in 2023.
When she was married to Dalton Gomez and he was married to the woodsman guy was married to his high school sweetheart Lily J.

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She was pregnant too I think or at a new baby or something.
And they both claim that no they waited till they're separated from their respective to get into this.
So there's this whole thing with wicked of like all this controversy then you've got this new stuff where they're promoting wicked to Ariana and Cynthia whatever her last name is the place the other witch and they both look very thin will say right they look not good like possibly sick and

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Ariana talked about how she added eating disorders in the past one to be sensitive to that but some people are going on hinge with this stuff they're claiming all they're worshiping the devil and because the city to sent the herbal with your name is she does look straight evil and some things I'm like damn scary looking
and another theory is that Ariana wants to portray herself as frail and weak because she wants to avoid scrutiny over this alleged affair of home wrecking with Ethan crazy stuff going on.

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Ariana also is alleged to be method acting as Glinda to the point that she is now altered herself into Glinda right kind of like with homeboy that played Elvis and could shake the accent.
But Ariana and Cynthia they've been going on press doors and interviews and supposedly staying in character or method acting or method dressing of at least wearing the clothes but again this could also be tied into the mk ultra idea of them taking on new altars.

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And they're acting very strange or constantly crying and acting bizarre with one another and overly protective of each other and in the sag after.
Ariana said the her and Cynthia made a pact to take care of each other as like they were comparing their contracts to make sure they had you know appropriate pay.

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But lots of crazy stuff found in the film when I did my film analysis again I put the link in the show knows December twenty twenty four Nathan Crowley Alice Alster Crowley's relative was a production designer on the movie there's stuff from that I saw with blood hell and a blavasky's theosophy free masonry alchemy.
The more cabal of stuff in there go with the bobs and the actual lesser key of Solomon the literal magical text in the movie it's crazy it's crazy.

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Check out that full episode as well and then if you're in a wizard of os it for episodes about wizard of us right from in February to June of twenty twenty three on the podcast feed scroll back it might be on my youtube to I might have I might have uploaded those you can check that as well if you want.
We talked about wizard of os to the book the movie and return to os it's like a four episode series that we did so.

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There's a ton more you can unpack from here all right there's many symbolism in themes of the occult magic and cabala swirling around all of these topics so in conclusion let's wrap this up.
I don't know much about area on a grounded but I do know something a right something a right.

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I believe she's a victim of some level of abuse and that saddens me because she's very talented.
Reddit posted some blind items so I mean it's rumors on the internet take that for what it's worth and one is that she found proclivities to elicit substances when she was dating Pete David.

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So that's one option could it be that.
But the bigger the bigger question is if it is that why is she doing this is it deal with some kind of abuse or trauma from her past possibly with Nickelodeon.
And that post also alleges that she hooked up with Jimmy Fallon the weekend even Jim Carrey and also led she was in fact messed with by that Nickelodeon guy which you know maybe that's why she wasn't on the quiet on set documentary.

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We also did address Mac Miller the the rapper who died from an accident drug overdose very young in 2018 and this was right after area I was dating Mac Miller for like two years.
And supposedly they split up and then within a month or two Mac Miller dies from this overdose and she left Mac Miller for Pete Davidson by the way.

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And she allegedly said that the first time she met Pete she knew that she was going to marry him.
But the timeline of when she said that was when she was dating Mac Miller she said this when she was doing her SNL appearance in 2014 she told her manager I'm marrying him 100% I'm literally marrying him.

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And she claims she was joking. But she was dating actually she was dating big Sean back then but then right after it was dating Mac Miller.
Then left Mac Miller for Pete Davidson in 2018 her whole dating history is it's a hot mess right.
She dated in 2012 she was dating the singing named Jay Brooks who claimed she cheated on him with the musician named Nathan Sykes then she dated big Sean then she dated this backup dancer Ricky Alvarez then she dated Mac Miller.

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Then he dies in September or no May 2018 no September 2018 just a couple months after they broke up then she dates another singer and a monkey foster in 2019 then a real her name dotted Gomez in 2020 whom she ends up getting married to until they divorced in September.
In September 2023 because she started dating this actor Ethan Slater who was in wicked with her there's controversy with all these things right.

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Controversy and claims rumor nasty rumors and nastiness.
But for me the incriminating elements of Ariana Grande this is what I boil it down to if you're talking about are we illuminated confirming her not.
Today she is part of this formula of these childhood stars being groomed in the industry and how real abuse can happen emotionally physically we saw this on the quiet on set documentary proven to you have the occult elements of her cabala influence makes with interest in the paranormal.

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Finally you have a lot of MKUltra type symbolism and activities about her talking about losing her memory.
So you've got symbolism of all these things combined with the real word examples I suggest she just may be illuminate confirm.
But like I always say don't immediately rush the judgment as she's worshiping the devil or something like that she may be a victim in all this so if you even if you want to still take on the Christian war your hat then you got to do as Christ does.

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You have to find sympathy in your heart for her alright. So there you go that's my analysis.
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it's literally a full-time job for me to juggle with a day job of home life and a family and I'm a one man army which is great because I actually don't answer to anybody but you

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know all right that means you can trust that I'm giving you my take and not some political hack job angle or corporate slave master shielding or any other kind of
various purposes but that requires you to support the show if you are in the position to if this is the last five bucks of the

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you have I don't want to I want you to prioritize your health your family relationships that needs to be priority number one but if you got it you want to give me a couple coffee let's go

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