Catcher in the Rye Conspiracies Pt 1: MKULTRA Incel Abused Killer, Secret Societies & Luigi Mangione!

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Have you ever read the book, "Catcher in the Rye"?

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It's coded with symbolism of MK Ultra, sexual abuse,
secret societies, and undertones of a sex-obsessed, in-cell mass murder,
named Holden Caulfield, and today I'm going to walk you through the entire book
and prove to you how people like Mark David Chapman could turn into mind-control killers
of John Lennon. I've been researching the occult full-time since 2011 and you're listening to

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a cosmolism in pop culture. I've been talking about this episode for months now.
Today we're going to walk through the entire book, "Catcher in the Rye".
I'm going to point out lots of symbolism and messaging that lends us off to a theory that the
main character Holden Caulfield is an MK Ultra mind-control, in-cell, killer, obsessed with sex,

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possibly trafficked himself, mentally controlled by MK Ultra scientist. We're going to
touch on the symbolism of the free Masonic conspiracy that Joe Atwell discussed.
And I'll point out all the connections that I found with secrets,
societies, coded references to skull and bones, 3-2-2,
what the real meaning is of his people shooting hat, his obsession with sex and violent

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fantasies, connections with Luigi Mangione and so much more. This is a story about how these
nerds are going to kill us. No, not the nerd, Reich. This is just plain old one of the mill in-cell
nerds, turning into killers. Now this is part one. And if you've never read the book, I got you fam,

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we're going to go through the whole thing today and I'm going to read you the passages that I found
relevant to this argument in conspiracy. I am going to put a nail in the coffin of this catcher
in the right conspiracy. Everyone points it out, everyone talks about it, we're going to do a deep
dive and actually thoroughly go through it and explain what I think is going on. I don't know if my

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theory lines up with everyone else's. Because you'll notice there's lots of conspiracies
about this book and I don't know that anyone's done it this way. I mean, maybe all I know is that
this is what I'm going to do for you, for the audience, all right. And we're talking about this
because this book is part of pop culture history. It's oftentimes required reading in high school.

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It's one of the most read books in all of human history. People like Lee Harvey Oswald,
Oprah Winfrey and you know, the aforementioned Mark David Chapman. Of course, he was obsessed with it.
He added on him when he killed John Lennon. He self identified himself as the main character Holden
Caulfield. Robert John Bardot was carrying it when he murdered Rebecca Schaeffer.

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The book is featured in 60 Reza separation. It's featured in Mel Gibson's conspiracy theory movie
and more. And what sparked my interest here because I actually never read the book. It wasn't required
reading in my school. People keep saying just required reading. I believe them, I guess we didn't

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read it. We read, I remember we read the yearling about a deer. It was so boring. I wish I would have
read this crazy book because I was into like dark stuff at back then. If I would have turned me into
a killer though, so maybe it's good I didn't. But the inspiration here was I interviewed writerly
and J. Whyder. Because they made Kubrick's Odyssey 3. Go check out the interview. All right.

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I did a couple months ago. And the crux of one of the main arguments for the Kubrick Odyssey 3
documentary is that Catcher on the Rye plays an element a role in the shining. All right.
And they talked a bunch about Catcher on the Rye and I was like, I gotta read this book for myself. I
don't, you know, because like people keep pointing to it and mentioning it and referencing it. And I'm

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just like, I don't know anything about the book. I had no idea. I was, I'm just gonna read it.
And it made me think when I read it, it made me think this is pretty wild. My mind was blown
for a couple of reasons, you know. And because it was a, I'm not, I'm not, I don't love fiction books.

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Like they're hard for me to read or hard for me to get into. I don't know why. I'm a nonfiction guy.
And this book was very easy to digest. So I guess it was well written. I'm not a literature guy.
I don't really know. I thought it was easy to follow. It was easy to read. Good story. I mean,
not good, you know, an intriguing story that kept you reading. So I don't know. I thought it was a good

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book. I'm like, okay, I see what everyone talks about this. It's like really good, good and
the sense of easy to read and kind of keeps your attention. But when you're reading it, you can tell
there's something coded here. This isn't the overt story of Holden Caulfield isn't where it ends.
There's so much residing underneath the surface. That was my take on it. And that's why I want to walk

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you through the whole book. Now, first I'm going to give you the overview. Obviously plots boilers,
right? I don't know who hasn't read catch on the right besides my dumbass. Oh, and I'm going to
swear in this because I got to read the passages from the book and I'm not going to filter it. So
if you got little ones sensitive ears, tread carefully. This, I'm going to read you the wiki synopsis

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of the overview of the book first so that you kind of know what we're in for because I'm going to
kind of, I'm going through my notes. All right. It's kind of hard to explain, but I'm going to try to
make sense of the story as we go along. But kind of like Twin Peaks, I'm generally just going to pull
out the elements that I found pertaining to my conspiracy of occult symbolism here. Okay, wiki

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says originally intended for adults, it is often read by adolescents for its themes of angst and alienation.
And as a critique of superficiality in society, the novel also deals with themes of innocence,
identity, belonging, loss, connection, sex, and depression. The main character Holden Caulfield
has become an icon for Teenage Rebellion. Caulfield, nearly of age, gives his opinion on a wide variety

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of topics as he narrates his recent life events. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty accurate.
So Holden, he's the main character. He's 16. When I read the book, I didn't recall that being
specified. It felt like he was in college and he was on a break between some masters and trying to

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head home to New York City to be with his family is kind of like the way I read it at first because I
had no idea what the story was about. But apparently he's 16. And yeah, I mean, the whole thing is
this journey around town and meeting people and perverts and sex and murdering folks. But you don't
really, you don't really, it's not overtly, you know what I'm saying? Anyway, so I'm going to walk you

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through the book. I got a lot to get through. So we're just going to move right into it. Okay.
And again, this is part one. I'm going to go through the whole book. I'm going to point out a couple
of things as we go. Part two, we're in a dig deeper into who JD Salinger was and deep into some of
these conspiracies. All right. I'm going to take a thorough look at Joe Atwell's claims of the
Freemasonic deal, which I can support some elements of that I found in my reading of this book.

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I've got some, I'm excited to talk to you guys today about some of the things I found.
Okay. So Plots Boys coming. Yadda yadda. Let's go. Chapter one. We're introduced to the narrator
holding call field. In my notes, I have that he was at he's 17. I should, I should recheck the book.
Online it says he's 16. So I don't know, whatever. He talks about, he had this lousy childhood. Talks

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about his brother. He has an older brother named DB. DB wrote a book about the secret gold fish.
He says it was about this little kid that wouldn't let anybody look at his goldfish because he had bought
it with his own money. It killed me. Now he's out in Hollywood DB being a prostitute. If there's one

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thing I hate, it's the movies. Don't even mention them to me. So he talks about Hollywood, right? Always in
Hollywood is the place. Recall we did a four hour deep dive on Diddy last year, I think. And we
talked about Candy Michelle Johnson, the Adrienne Chrome witch author. And she talked about

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sex trafficking operations out in Hollywood. This is in 1951. This book was published.
Written in the late 40s published in 1951. All right. I think the only people talking about this kind
of stuff back then was Kenneth anger in Hollywood Babylon. But he says one of the sentences I just read

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you said it killed me. And he says this often throughout the like a mantra throughout the book.
Okay, chapter two. He goes to visit the dean of his high school. And he's getting kicked out of it.
Right? He talks about old people with disdain. Talks about how gross they are.

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Talks about life being a game. Holden says it's a game. If you're with the hot shots, if you're not,
then there's nothing. There is no game. Which I'm like, okay, I mean, that's a fair assessment.
Critical of the elites. It's a big club. And we're not invited kind of vibes, right? George Karlin.

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The high school dean guy talks about how the history he failed the history class because of some weird
Egyptian essay that Holden wrote. I'm going to read you from the book. He started handling my exam paper
like it was a turret or something. We studied the Egyptians from November 4th to December 2nd, he said,

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you chose to write about them for the optional essay question. Would you care to hear what you had to
say? No, sir, not very much. I said. He read it anyway, though. You can't stop a teacher when they
want to do something. They just do it. The Egyptians were an ancient race of Caucasians residing
in one of the northern sections of Africa. The latter, as we all know, is the largest continent in the

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eastern hemisphere. I had to sit there and listen to that crap. It certainly was a dirty trick.
The Egyptians are extremely interesting to us today for various reasons. Modern science would still
like to know what the secret ingredients were that the Egyptians used when they wrapped up dead people
so that their faces would not rot for innumerable centuries. This interesting riddle is still

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quite a challenge to modern science in the 20th century. Take note to how the teacher says the Holden,
he's like, would you like to know what you wrote? Why would they say that? Why would he say that?
If he wrote it, he knows what he wrote, unless he was under some kind of mind-control influence when

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he wrote it. Keep that in the back of your mind as we go through the book. But let's unpack an
interesting find that I made here that I'd like to add to the hall of fame of catcher in the
rye conspiracies, unless someone already did it, but I didn't know about it. He says halfway between
November 2nd and December 4th, well, you know what day that is? That day is November 18th.

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November 18th is day number 322 of the year. We've done entire shows on this, talking about 322,
the Scalam bones number, tying into Genesis 322, man becoming God, and of course the Yale
Scalam bones uses the 322 logo. I'll put a link at the show notes for that episode where we dove

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deep into what that meant and how it could just be the chapter of the brotherhood of death.
But it's very important here as we're going to find out later because Holden
connects us into secret societies and fraternities. Which one? Come on brother, Scalam bones.
So we hear Holden's been kicked out of a bunch of schools. This guy can't get it together, right?

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Chapter 3. Holden says he's a great liar and he talks about a hypocrite rich guy who's
always going on and on about Jesus. He's atheist, he's a plot spoiler. He's atheist and he talks
about it a few times in the book. But Holden says he's a great liar. He's a sociopath, all right?

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And we're listening to his narration throughout this book. This is his version of events,
which I'm going to argue that what we're going to explore is that he's actually murdering a bunch of
people in this story. When I read it, it felt like I was reading American Psycho, the movie, right?

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Which they're remaking, by the way. I don't know how I feel about that, but hey, I'll watch it.
I'm not a big hater of the remake thing. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I give it a
world that they generally don't work out. But I don't know. That's something like I'll watch it.
Anyway, Holden's talking about a bunch of books and he has this very bizarre, quote-unquote, "funny book."

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He says, "My brother gave me a book by Ring Lardner for my birthday just before I went to Pensey."
It had these very funny, crazy plays in it. Then I had this one story about a traffic cop that
falls in love with this very cute girl that's always speeding. Only he's married to the cop.
So he can't marry her or anything. Then this girl gets killed because she's always speeding.

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That story just about killed me. What I like best is a book that's at least funny once in a while.
I mean, is that funny? If you're a psychomurder, probably.
And again, that story killed me. He says it multiple times, like a mantra.

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Then he talks about this guy named Ackley who comes into his room and is annoying and gross.
That's what I don't understand about the story. It's like, I thought he was in college because he has
a roommate. I'm like, when you'd be at home if you're in high school? I don't know. Don't ask me.
Guy named Ackley comes into his room and he's annoying and gross. Ackley is making fun of Holden's hat.

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Now listen to this. He took another look at my hat while he was cleaning them.
Up home, we wear a hat like that to shoot deer in for Christ's sake. He said, "That's a deer shooting hat."
Like hell it is. I took it off and looked at it. I sort of closed one eye like I was taking aim at it.

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This is a people shooting hat I said. I shoot people in this hat.
And that's what blows my mind is the things that I've seen in passing and online about catcher and the rye.
No one's talking about how this is coded language for a psychopath murderer.

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They're just like, "Oh, it's a coming-of-age story."
I'm like, "Bro, maybe I drank too much conspiracy, cool aid."
But I'm like, "This book is about murdering people." He literally says it.
I shoot people in this hat and then guess what? Throughout the story he's taking his hat with him everywhere.
Chapter four.

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Holden, he kind of keeps going on and on about these other boys that he talks to and he's talking
about their perfect build, how they're good looking. They got these gorgeous locks and now they act
so sexy. So you're kind of like, "Is this dude gay?" The point I'm pulling out here is that not

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that there's a problem with being gay. The point I'm trying to pull out is that he is suppressing his
sexuality and you find out later he's a virgin. He's suppressing his sexuality voluntarily and
voluntarily. We're not sure. Then this other guy, Strad ladder walks out and holding is, he kind of

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like obsesses for a minute, right? It's very creepy. This is what he says. "I sat there for about a
half hour after he left. I mean, I just sat in my chair not doing anything. I kept thinking about Jane
and about Strad later having a day with her and all. It made me so nervous. I nearly went crazy."
I already told you what a sexy bastard Strad ladder was. All of a sudden,

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Ackley barged back in again through the damn shower curtains as usual. For once in my stupid life,
I was really glad to see him. He took my mind off the other stuff. What were you doing in that shower,
bro? Thinking about how sexy this dude was, right? Again, I don't care. This is the 50s though, so they

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coded some of that stuff. I'm guessing. I don't know. Again, my point is, Holden is a very sexually
frustrated guy. Maybe he's by. I get the feeling he's by. All right.
And add the social, uneacceptance in the 50s of gay folks. That adds like a level of shame into it,

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which makes people act crazy. It's a very mentally unhealthy society we've got, right?
That creates all these murderers. Instead of just being chill and loving everyone,
they're like, "Yeah, man, consenting adults, do you think, bro?" Like I said, being like that,
it's got to be this whole shame and guilt and make people feel tortured and anguish,

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and then they get mad and then they lash out and then there's like all these shootings. It's crazy.
Then we might have Holden as a dead brother named Ali, and the night he died, Holden broke all the
windows in his family station wagon with his fist. And he talks about how the parents were going to
have him psychoanalyzed, which I argue they did. And I argue that he got psychoanalyzed by an MK

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Altramine Control scientist. A straddle ladder gets back from his date and Holden tries to hit him.
Blacks out. From the book. Straddle ladder kept taking these shadow punches down to my shoulder.
He had his toothbrush in his hand and he put it in his mouth. "What did you do?" I said,

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"Give her the time and Ed Banky's got damn car. My voice is shaking something awful." What a thing to say.
Want me to wash your mouth out with soap? Did you? That's a professional secret, buddy.
This next part, I don't remember so hot, all I know is I got it from the bed like I was going down to
the can or something. Then I tried to sock him with all my might. Right smack in the toothbrush so it

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would split his goddamn throat open. Only I missed. I didn't connect. All I did was sort of get him on
the side of the head or something. It probably hurt him a little bit, but not as much as I wanted.
It probably would have hurt him a lot, but I did it with my right hand and I can't make a good
fist with that hand. On account of the injury I told you about. Anyway, the next thing I knew I was on

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the goddamn floor and he was sitting on my chest with his face all red. That is, he had his goddamn
knees down my chest and he weighed about a ton. He had hold of my wrist too so I couldn't take another
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So again, murder. Murder, oh my mind. So hold an ends up getting punched and he's bleeding.

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And he proceeds to put on his hunting cap, his people shooting hat. And he takes a look at the
mirror and starts laughing. Very much Robert De Niro taxi driver vibes. Okay. Which I think I'm sure
people have compared taxi driver to catcher in the rye. So now chapter 8, Holden's walking around

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in the snow at night. He's got his cap on. He's got blood all over his face. He gets on a bus. He meets a
woman who turns out to be the parent of another student at his school. And Holden lies about what his
own name is and says that his name is Rudolph. Probably because it knows all bloody, right?
But he talks to this woman about how he actually knows her son. And they're having a siggy.

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And he's kind of gasping her up about how great her son is. And he's totally lying, right?
Because he's a liar. He's a sociopath. And he knows that, you know, I wonder why you can make
a mother feel real good is talking up her son. So he's very manipulative. And we find out that he thinks
she's sexy. So he tells her that he's got a tumor in his brain and he needs operation. And that's why

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he's still in school. So yeah. Okay. Next chapter 9. He gets off the bus. Now he's at Penn station.
He's head and home. But he wants to get a hotel first for a couple of nights. And all this is
that's why I was so confused. I'm like, this guy's 16 or 17. He says 17 in the book. Anyway,
with different times, right? In the 50s. So he goes to a hotel and he's doing some people watching

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from his window. He sees a guy putting on women's clothes. And he says to the reader, he admits that
he's the biggest sex maniac you ever saw. Holden referring to himself. And he talks about how he
doesn't understand it. And then he's like, all revved up and he's in the mood. So he calls a sex

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worker, but she can't meet him now. He's seeing a dude put on women's clothes, cross dressing.
And he proceeds to talk about how he's like this crazy sex maniac. And I assume that he's
interested sexually and pretty much whatever at this point. Next chapter, we find out he's got a

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sister named Phoebe. Says her favorite movie is 39 steps. If you look that up, I never seen it.
It's a 1935 film by Alfred Hitchcock about an organization of intelligence agents. Huh?
Like the CIA, like the MK Ultra ones, maybe. Anyway, he ends up going to a bar. It's called the lab in

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a room. He dances with this girl. She's not listening to him at all. She's looking around while he's
talking to her. And this is what like I was like, do this reads like American psycho. You know,
because he's old Patrick Bateman's always like yelling. He's like, I'm in the murders and what
is it? Murder and executions. And they're like, oh, yeah, sounds good, buddy. And he says something
and it kind of matches up his whole in cell vibe. He says every time they do something pretty,

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even if they're not much to look at or even if they're sort of stupid, you fall half in love with
them. And then you never know where the hell you are, girls, Jesus Christ. They can drive you crazy.
They really can drive you crazy. Okay. Chapter 11, he leaves the bar. He's thinking about Jane.
Again, that's Strad ladders girl. And turns out she was his neighbor growing up. And he implies

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that Jane had been abused while also being very cold and careless because this guy's a psychopath,
right? To get what he wants. He says, so what I did was I went over and made her move on the glider
so that I could sit down next to her. I practically sat down in her lap as a matter of fact. Then she

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really started to cry. The next thing I knew I was kissing her all over. Anywhere her eyes, her nose,
her forehead, her eyebrows and all her ears, her whole face, except her mouth and all. She sort of
wouldn't let me go to her mouth. Anyway, it was the closest we ever got to necking. After a while,
she got up and went in and put on this red and white sweater she had that knocked me out. And we

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went to a god damn movie. I asked her on the way if Mr. Kude, Kude, Mr. Kude, that was the booze
hounds name. Had ever tried to get wise with her. She was pretty young, but she had this terrific
figure. And I wouldn't have put it past that Kude bastard. She said no, though. I never did find out

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what the hell was the matter. Some girls you practically never find out what's the matter.
And again, subtle implied abuse, I think, of this underage girl.
Then he goes to a nightclub called Ernie's. That his brother DB used to go to before he started
prostituting himself in Hollywood. You know, just a casual read this old book. And Ernie himself

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has done playing and you get more of this sort of disdain from holding about society in general. He
says you should have heard the crowd though when he was finished. You would have puked. They went mad.
They were exactly the same morons that laugh like Hyene is in the movies. It's stuff that isn't funny.
I swear to God if I were a piano player or an actor or something and all those dope stuff,

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I was terrific. I'd hate it. I wouldn't even want them to clap for me. People always clap for the wrong
things. So his disdain for humanity and society is supporting his off-kilter thinking
and fantasies of murder and violence. Chapter 13. He walks home from Ernie's and he starts talking

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about how he feels like he's yellow, right? Which is like a term they used for feeling like a coward.
He says, "What you should be is not yellow at all. If you're supposed to sock somebody in the
jaw and you sort of feel like doing it, you should do it. I'm just no good at it though. I'd rather
push a guy out the window or chop his head off with an axe. Then sock him in the jaw. I hate fist

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fights. I don't mind getting hit so much although I'm not crazy about it naturally. But what scares me
most in a fist fight is the guy's face. This guy's crazy. But also take note to the Church of Satan
doctrine, right? If you sort of feel like doing it, you should do it. You know, do it that will kind of

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vibe. Of course, as you know, that's not really the Aleister Crowley thought behind do with Owl wilt,
but you get what I'm saying, right? Church of Satan is very much a social Darwinian,
anarcho-liberitarian kind of thing. So he finally procures a sex worker, then talks about how he's

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a virgin. Okay, see, he's a violin in cell. I told you. And he gives another fake name. This time it's
Jim Steele. He's been doing it all night at the bars, fake names, right? Aliases, alter egos. This
is the fracturing of the mind. The dissociative identity disorder. Various altars can come up.
We talked about this countless times. My eyes wide shut series, six part series. We talked about it

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because it's Stanley Cooper use heavy symbolism of going over the rainbow. That's the idea of
dissociating, you know, it's an Wizard of Oz and so on. And in all these episodes, if you're like,
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All right. So he's up in room 1222. He spells it out 1222.

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It would be prostitute, right? And he says he's 22 years old now. He's lying to her still, of course.
What's up with all the twos? 12, he's in room 1222. Says he's 22 years old.
And you'll find this throughout the book. The last chapter he looks at a clock and says it's

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20 to 12. The word 20 shows up 22 times in the book. What's the deal?
With the 20s and the twos and the one. I'm a, I got an idea. I'm going to float at the
end of the conclusion. Let's keep going. So he's talking to the prostitute and a female. He says he

(32:48):
doesn't even want to do anything. He just wants company. Okay. And he claims that he had an offer
operation on his spinal canal. Anyway, he ends up shorting her on the money. She calls him a crumbum.
Most of them in a hard disk back in the 50s. And he has her leave. He doesn't even say thank you. And

(33:12):
he's like, I'm happy I didn't pay you. So he's kind of like crazy, right? This guy.
Chapter 14, he talks about being an atheist. Doesn't like the 12 disciples. He's not a Christian.
I'm going to read you. Take the disciples, for instance. They annoy the hell out of me if you want to

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know the truth. They were all right after Jesus was dead and all. But while he was alive,
they were about as much used to him as a whole in the head. All they did was keep letting him down.
I like anybody in the Bible better than the disciples. If you want to know the truth, the guy I like
best in the Bible next to Jesus was that lunatic and all that lived in the tombs and kept cutting
himself with stones. I like him 10 times as much as the disciples that poor bastard.

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This book was one all the smoke in the 50s. You know what I mean? All right, let's keep going.
Maurice is the name of an elevator guy who who was the guy that that Holden used to procure the
hooker. All right. He shows up because he's like, you didn't pay the hooker and and slugs him and

(34:22):
takes the money. He's like, all right, Holden, take that. And then Holden has this weird violent fantasy
that he goes into. I wasn't knocked out or anything though because I remember looking up from the floor
and seeing them both go out the door and shut it. Then I stayed on the floor a fairly long time,
sort of the way I did with Stradlater. Only this time I thought I was dying. I really did. I thought

(34:45):
I was drowning or something. The trouble was I could hardly breathe. When I did finally get up,
I had to walk to the bathroom all doubled up and holding onto my stomach and all. But I'm crazy.
I swear to God I am about halfway to the bathroom. I sort of started pretending I had a bullet in my
guts. Oldmore recent plugged me. Now I was on the way to the bathroom to get a good shot of bourbon
or something to steady my nerves and help me really get into action. I pictured myself coming out

(35:10):
of the goddamn bathroom dressed in all with my automatic and my pocket and staggering around a little bit.
Then I had to walk downstairs instead of using the elevator. I'd hold onto the banister and all with
this blood trickling out of the side of my mouth a little at a time. What I'd do? I'd walk down a few
floors holding onto my guts, blood leaking all over the place and then I'd ring the elevator bell.

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As soon as old Maurice opened those doors, he'd see me with the automatic in my hand and he'd start
screaming at me in this very high pitched yellow belly voice to leave him alone. But I'd plug him
anyway, six shots right through his fat Harry belly. Then I'd throw my automatic down the elevator shaft
after I'd wiped off all the fingerprints and all. Then I'd crawl back to my room and call up Jane

(35:53):
and have her come over and banage up my guts. I pictured her holding a cigarette for me to smoke while
I was bleeding and all. The goddamn movies they can ruin you. I'm not kidding. Again, I think this is
literal. I think he literally did this stuff. Then he kept going. He says, "What I really felt like
though was committing suicide. I felt like jumping out of the window." He says, "I probably would have

(36:20):
done it too if I'd been sure somebody'd cover me up as soon as I landed. I didn't want a bunch of
stupid rubber next looking at me when I was all gory." Now, remember in the MK Ultra storyline,
a man named Frank Olsen jumped to his death in 1953 after MK Ultra had Sydney Gotley supposedly

(36:43):
dosed him allegedly. That was two years after Catcher in the Rye was published. Now, fun fact,
the hotel that Frank Olsen jumped to his death was formerly known as the Hotel Pennsylvania,
which was featured in a Glenn Miller song called Pennsylvania 6-5,000, which is a reference to the

(37:08):
phone numbers they used to use before Area Codes, whatever, right? And you actually heard that song in
Twin Peaks. Remember, Lee Lind was dancing to it. Another episode, Sarah Miller says, "Is Glenn
Miller night at the club?" Very interesting. Chapter 15. He notes several times in the book that he

(37:29):
hates the word "grand." Because the word "grand" is phony. Is that some kind of MK Ultra trigger word? I
don't know. But he hates the word. He keeps saying it. So, he's leaving the hotel. This part's actually
just kind of funny. He says, "I took a look out of the window before I left the room though to see
how all the perverts were doing, but they all had their shades down. They were the height of modesty in

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the morning." Pretty funny. Holden's father, we find out, is a corporate lawyer. So, he comes from money.
Maybe a red flag? I don't know. But he talks about how in the story, Romeo and Juliet, he likes
Mercudio. Mercuccio, I don't know how to say it. Mercuccio more than he likes Romeo. Because Mercuccio was smart

(38:20):
entertaining, and he shouldn't have died. It was Romeo's fault. All right. Chapter 17. He heads to the
built-more theater to meet Sally for Matt and A. And he talks about looking at girls' legs,
his fantasizing. Sally shows up, and during intermission, she goes to see a guy that she knew

(38:43):
and Holden gets all jealous and mad and crazy, right? Then they go ice skating and he's
ranting about how much he hates society. He hates the clicks. He hates people's obsession with cars.
What's the point of life? And he starts getting real crude. And she's, Sally's like, "I'm out of
it. I want to leave. You're too much, right?" But he then gets all apologetic. And he admits that he's a

(39:04):
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(39:25):
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Okay. I think what we're getting is like mixes of literal story versus allegory or something.
But he's a madman. He's a madman killer. Chapter 18. Sally Bales on him. So he's like, I'm
gonna call Jane up, but she doesn't answer. Then he goes to the movies, but he goes, so he goes again,

(41:18):
but this time by himself. He hates the movie as Jews. Even though he keeps saying he hates Hollywood,
he hates movies, he's whatever. So he goes to a place called the Wicker Bar, which obviously
makes me think of the Wicker Man. And he goes there to meet Carl and he starts thinking of
the military and the war because his brother DB was in the army. And Holden talks about how he would

(41:43):
hate to be in the military and says something that made me think of Stanley Kubrick's doctor
Strangelove. He says, anyway, I'm sort of glad they've got the atomic bomb invented. There's ever
another war. I'm going to sit right the hell on top of it. I'll volunteer for it. I swear to God,
I will. So you've got a lot of these Kuprickian connections, right? And it's with the shining,

(42:06):
with the, you know, when Wendy's reading Catcher on the Ride, we talked about them that episode.
And here a direct reference to Dr Strangelove. Chapter 19, he's talking to us about this guy,
Carl. And he was always talking about sex and all kinds of perversions we find out.
And he knew about people that were gay, talks about movie actors pretending to be gangsters and cowboys,

(42:34):
but they're actually like gay. Carl shows up and Holden only wants to talk to him about those things.
He's obsessed with that kind of stuff. But Carl, he says he's dating this Chinese woman and he likes
that the Chinese culture views spirituality and the physical experience a certain way. And Carl

(42:55):
tells Holden, like, Hey, man, you usually go see a psychoanalyst and figure out how to have a better
sex life. You're kind of crazy. And again, another reference to going to a therapist of sorts.
Chapter 20, Holden is now fully drunk and he's contemplating what it would look like if he was dead,
fantasizing about death again. Chapter 21, Holden finally gets to his home that he grew up in,

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talks to his little sister Phoebe, dads out of town, by the way. And Phoebe's like, well,
why'd you come home so early, right? And she suspects that he got kicked out of school again. And
Phoebe's right, very astute 10 year old. And he tells Phoebe about how he doesn't like the school anyway.
Why? Because he can't join the fraternity. He says, everybody was always locking their door when

(43:46):
somebody wanted to come in and they had this goddamn secret fraternity that was too yellow not to join.
We're call earlier. We talked about the 322 coded reference.
Chapter 22. There's only 26 chapters, so we're almost there. Phoebe thinks that her dad is going to kill
Holden for getting kicked out of yet another school. And she gives him grief for hating on everything.

(44:12):
Then he says, you know what I'd like to be? You know what I'd like to be? I mean, if I had my
goddamn choice, what? Stop swearing. You know, that song, if a body catch a body coming through the
rye, I'd like, this is her interrupting. I'm doing my best folks. All right. It's if a body

(44:37):
meet a body coming through the rye, old Phoebe said, it's a poem by Robert Burns. I know it's a
poem by Robert Burns. She was right though. It is if a body meet a body coming through the rye.
I didn't know it then though. I thought I thought it was if a body catch a body, I said.
Anyway, I keep picturing all these little kids playing some game in this big field of rye and all.

(45:02):
Thousands of little kids. Nobody's around. Nobody big. I mean, except me. I'm okay. Hey,
you witty folks. Did you catch that? Nobody's around except me and all these little kids. All right.
And I'm standing on the edge of some crazy cliff. What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if
they start going over the cliff. I mean, if they're running and they don't look where they're going,

(45:23):
I have to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all I would do all day. I'd just be the
catcher in the rye and all. I know it's crazy. Best the only thing I'd really like to be. I know it's
crazy. It's the only thing he wants to be. So now he's also a penifinal, a pedophile. I mean, if you

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read it that way. And actually in part two, we're going to unpack because it's actually far more
insidious than what this is. We're going to unpack that bone. So if you haven't subscribed to the show,
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It's great. You love it. Five stars. Please. Love you. Okay. Chapter 23. Mom comes home and

(46:30):
holding is hiding in the closet from her. And he ends up like borrowing money from her. He starts crying.
And he gives her his people hunting hat. And he's like, all right, I'm going to go to this Mr. Antelini,
one of his teachers houses. Strange. I know. Chapter 24. Mr. Antelini catches up with Holden.

(46:51):
And he fears the holding will hate people like football players when he's older. Holden says he
doesn't hate too many people. He says that he says I see Holden. He says he sees Holden going down a fall
in the future. Let me read you what it says. All right, listen to me now. I may not

(47:14):
wear this as memorably as I'd like to, but I'll write you a letter about it in a day or two.
Then you can get it all straight. But listen now anyhow. He started concerned concentrating again.
Then he said, this fall, I think you're writing for it's a special kind of fall, a horrible kind.
The man falling isn't permitted to feel or hear himself hit bottom. He just keeps falling and falling.

(47:38):
The whole arrangements designed for men who at some time or other in their lives were looking for
something their own environment couldn't supply them with or they thought their own environment couldn't
supply them with so they gave up looking. They gave it up before they ever really even got started.
You follow me? How my bro, I'm not following you. What are you talking about?

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He's talking about falling and falling and he says it's a horrible thing. And it made me think
of twin pigs, right? Firewalking me when Laura talks about falling and falling and the angels won't catch you.
But listen, this is the part where we're getting to what we need to talk about. Mr. Antilini
tells Holden, hey, you should go see a psychoanalyst yet again. And he's got a German name Wilhelm

(48:32):
Steckel among other things, right? Because you know, it's not all them Nazis. We're doing all them up.
Them psychological operations and mind control experiments. And then we brought them into America
like, hey, why don't you get us to the moon? Wink, wink. And you know,
why don't you do a little MK Ultra?
Among other things, you'll find that you're not the first person who was ever confused and frightened

(48:58):
and even sickened by human behavior. You're by no means alone on that score. You'll be excited
and stimulated to know many, many men have been just as troubled morally and spiritually as you are
right now. Okay, good. All right, Mr. Antilini seems all right. But then Holden falls asleep on the couch.
And he wakes up and Mr. Antilini's hand is on his head. Holden jumps up. Like, what are you doing?

(49:29):
Bro, the implication here again, you got to read between the lines. The implication here is that
Mr. Antilini was doing something inappropriate because Holden then goes on to compare him to other
perverts that he knows. And he leaves. Holden leaves. And he says, this kind of stuff happened about
20 times since he was a kid. And earlier, he talked about how he was getting uncontrollably tired

(49:58):
at Antilini's. And then he says he slept too much. Mr. Antilini drugged him and was going to rape him.
And Holden was the victim of this throughout his life, 20 times since he was a kid.
Probably through the MK Ultra Disassociating Sexual Trauma stuff, right?

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Because in case you didn't know, that's one of the theories is that when someone's treated with
horrifying trauma, it causes a split in the mind, a fracture. It activates what they call the amnesiac
barrier. The thing that's supposed to protect the brain when things are too scary, like in a car

(50:42):
accident, your brain shuts off. It's like, oh shit, we don't want to remember this one.
Conk. It's supposedly this happens with sexual abuse and the child can create alter egos and aliases
through this fracturing of the mind that called the dissociative identity disorder. Is it true?
I'm not a doctor, but there's elements of that that are true, but the conspiracy community puts

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together this grand arching theory about this has happened to many people. And I believe it. I think
that's 100% true. And that's what's happening to hold it. That's why he's a psycho killer.
And everyone's like, you should go back to those crazy doctors you were seeing, you know, the mind
control Nazi doctors. And it's undeniable when you read this chapter, you're like, oh, shh dang,

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man, chapter 24, we find out the whole deal. What's going on here? That's why he's so mad. That's
why he's so sexually confused and frustrated. He's a mess. But listen, he says, he talks about how
he's uncontrollably tired at Mr. Antelini's and he fell asleep on the couch. He says, what made it

(51:47):
even worse? My eyes were sore as hell. They felt sore and Bernie from not getting too much sleep.
And then he talks about he's nauseous and he's got a puke. He was dozed. An ether rag. I don't know,
one of the side effects of ether is burning eyes, by the way. But he got doped or a dozed and then

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sexually assaulted. That's what I'm reading. So he's walking around now. He's spiraling as if he
wasn't already. He's talking to his dead brother. He sees his dead brother as talking to him. And he sees
himself like dying, not making it across the street. And he's decides like, I'm not going home. And he

(52:30):
fantasizes about moving away and being on his own. He wants to leave entirely. And he writes his
younger sister Phoebe and note about leaving. And he goes to her school and he sees on the wall
someone wrote, fuck you on the wall. And he fantasizes about killing them. But he decides he's too

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yellow. He's a coward. He's like, I'm too cowardous to kill him. So then he takes a second to go to
the museum. And he starts dropping knowledge about Egypt to these little kids because you remember the
beginning during his time period with the 322 encoded. He wrote a report about Egypt, which we're
going to talk about in part two, right? So say subscribe to the show. We're going to talk about Joe

(53:12):
Atwell's theory about the Freemasonic ritual that Holden went through. He says, he's talking to
the little kid. He says, I horse around the two of them a little bit. The mummies, what are they?
I asked the one kid, you know, the mummies, them dead guys, they get buried in those tombs and all

(53:33):
tombs that killed me. He meant tombs. The kid said tombs with an end as in November. Okay.
I know some of this probably didn't translate over. He probably, what are you talking about? I was like,
how come you two, how come you two guys aren't in school? I said no school today. The kid that

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that did all the talking said he was lying. Sure as I'm alive, the little bastard. I didn't have
anything to do though till old Phoebe showed up. So I helped him find a place where the mummies were.
Boy, I used to know exactly where they were, but I hadn't been in the museum in years. You two guys
so interested in mummies, I said. Yeah. Can't your friend talk? I said, he ain't my friend. He's my brother.

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Can he talk? I looked at the one that wasn't doing any talking. Can't you talk at all? I asked him.
Yeah, he said I didn't, I don't feel like it. Finally, we found a place where the mummies were and we
went in. You know how the Egyptians buried their dead. I asked the one kid, nah. Well, you should.
It's very interesting. They wrapped their faces up in these claws that were treated with some

(54:41):
secret chemical. That way, they could be buried in their tombs for thousands of years and their
faces wouldn't rot or anything. Nobody knows how to do it except the Egyptians, even modern science.
To get to where the mummies were, you had to go down this very narrow sort of hall with stones
on the side that they had taken right out of the Pharaoh's tomb and all. It was pretty spooky and

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you could tell the two hot shots I was with weren't enjoying it too much. They stuck closest
hell to me and the one that didn't talk at all practically was holding my sleeve.
Let's go. He said to his brother, I seen him already. Come on. Hey, he turned around and beat it.

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So the kids ran away. And at this point, it holds down in the tomb and he sees more graffiti that says,
"Fuck you." And I think he's hallucinating at this point. I think he's just seeing shit, right?
So Phoebe finally meets up with Holden. He's having this like psychosis stuff going on.

(55:42):
She meets up. She's got her suitcase. She's like, "I'm leaving with you, big brother."
And he eventually decides that he's not going to leave. He's like, "I'm going to take you back to school instead."
And during the exchange, she tosses his red hunting cap back in his face. They get into a fight.
And he makes up by taking her to a carousel. And he's sitting on a bench watching her ride this carousel.

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And they make up. She puts his red cap back on again.
Now, what's interesting here, this is the final stretch of the story.
He's in New York City at Central Park watching her on the carousel. Well,
this is where Luigi Mangione comes through. I talked about this last year on the podcast I did about

(56:31):
Luigi. I mentioned this book, "Catcher and the Rye," connected to all these MK Ultra-type
Mind-controlled assassins, right? And I suggested that I want to know if Luigi was, or the real killer.
I don't know if it's Luigi, but whoever killed that dude, if they're going to tie some "Catcher and the Rye" symbolism.

(56:51):
Because it's been in so many prolific, massive pop culture murders. And in the book "Catcher and the Rye,"
there's talk about these ducks. He keeps referring to these ducks in the book. I didn't talk about it yet,
but he talks about these ducks at Central Park South, which is right off the 6th avenue,
which is exactly where this shooting happened outside of the Manhattan Midtown, Hilton.

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So we already have one connection to the locations in the book to Luigi shooting.
And sure enough, and let me rewind a little bit. William Ramsey, as you know, I've been talking about
doing this show for months now. And I was already, I got my notes for part one done, I'm still working on part two.

(57:35):
And I was like, okay, on Wednesday, I'm going to record part one. Well, wouldn't you know, yesterday, on Tuesday,
William Ramsey was on Tinfoil Hat. You know, I had William Ramsey on my show a few times. I've done
Tinfoil Hat a bunch of times. And he was on their time, I catch on the rye. I was like, oh boy, this guy beat me to it.
You know, no shade, man. We love William Ramsey. He's a very educated guy. But, because I want to, I'm trying to,

(58:02):
I always try to give my props to my fellow truthers, okay. And this is one that I heard from him on the Tinfoil Hat show.
He said that the carousel that I just read to you was also connected to the Luigi Manjone shooting. I said, get out of here.
William.
So I looked it up. Sure shit. Go to New York Post. It says, his back, remember the backpack with the Monopoly money they recovered.

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It says the bag was recovered south of the carousel near Heck's sheer playground.
Now, could I be off? Maybe there's two carousels in Central Park? I don't know. I don't live in New York City.
Maybe someone could debunk that. It doesn't really matter to me. I don't really care. My point is, it's now two location connections to catcher in the rye.

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Now, if you look at this carousel, the smarty folks who somehow look past all this talk of in-cell sex obsessed MK Ultra abuse and are just like, yeah, it's a story about
growing up or whatever they say. They'll tell you that the carousel represents Holden's life being this
daily repetitive grind, right. It's the samsara of Twin Peaks, the donut, the circle fan, all that stuff.

(59:20):
Oh, and I promise I'm not going to every episode bring up these connections of Twin Peaks in the future.
We're just hot off the hills of me finishing my Grey Lodge 55 episode series.
For almost two years of work, still working on the book. Lord knows of all I've finished the book.
But we're just hot off the hills of the grand finale. So, you know, I promise I'm not going to bring up Twin Peaks

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every episode in the future. Okay. All right. So anyway, so Holden, he's like, all right, me and Phoebe, we straight now, he takes her home, calls up DB on the phone, they have a nice little conversation, whatever, whatever.
Final chapter, chapter 26. Listen to this book ends. I'm going to read you.

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That's all I'm going to tell about. I could probably tell you what I did after I went home and how I got sick and all, and what school I'm supposed to go to next fall after I get out of here, but I don't feel like it.
I really don't. That stuff doesn't interest me too much right now. A lot of people, especially the one psychoanalyst guy they have here, keeps asking me if I'm going to apply myself when I go back to school next September.

(01:00:31):
It's such a stupid question, in my opinion. I mean, how do you know what you're going to do till you do it? The answer is you don't.
I think I am, but how do I know? I swear it's a stupid question.
DB isn't as bad as the rest of them, but he keeps asking me a lot of questions too. He drove over last Saturday with his, with this English babe that's in this new picture he's writing.

(01:00:53):
She was pretty affected, but very good looking.
Anyway, one time when she went to the ladies room, way to help down in the other wing, DB asked me what I thought about all this stuff I just finished telling you about.
I don't know what the hell to say. If you want to know the truth, I don't know what I think about it. I'm sorry I told so many people about it.

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About all I know is I sort of miss everybody I told about. Even old strad ladder and accly, for instance.
I think I even miss that goddamn Maurice. It's funny. Don't ever tell anybody anything. If you do, you start missing everybody.
What? He's now, he talks about the psychoanalyst guy that they have here. He is in a mental institute and asylum or something.

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Prison, I don't know.
And it's either because he literally murdered all these people that he misses.
Or he just misses them because he's blocked what he's mentally wanted to kill these people. This is all mental game.
It's hard to tell, right? I'm sure like some scholar out there probably unpacked all this and like came to some other conclusion or whatever, but

(01:02:06):
you're not here to listen to a scholar. You're here to listen to my dumbass.
And that's my reading on it. And I think, aluminum confirm. Okay, in conclusion, we've got a lot to unpack.
We hit on some ideas. I kind of laid the groundwork for what I'm going to be able to build you in part two.
We're going super deep in part two. You ain't even ready for part two. Okay.

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And I told you earlier, I would talk to you about the number, how the word 20 shows up in the book 22 times.
I punched it into Google AI and it claimed to tell me that it represents the symbolic age of adulthood for holding,
which is the point where he thinks people become phony and lose their innocence, which he wants to protect.

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He sees it as his tipping point and he apparently doesn't want to make it to the age of 20.
Thus, I propose our MK Ultra victim sexually abused from being a child through these Nazi MK Ultra
scientists went on a murder spree because he sexually frustrated. He's an inseal. He's confused. He's hurt.

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And it ends with him killing himself because he doesn't want to hit age 20.
Dark story. If you look at it through that perspective,
and I don't need to reiterate all the things I said on here, I mean, he literally talked about
that's the cap you are, is when he shoots people and then he goes on this shooting spree, I think.

(01:03:33):
I think he goes on a murder spree. So, again, stay subscribed to this podcast because
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