Dark Enlightenment Conspiracies: AI Government, Technocracy & the Hegelian Dialectic with Courtenay Turner!!

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Listen up, if you liked the Dark Enlightenment series
that I took you down, you're gonna have to listen
to today's episode.
I got a very special guest, Courtney Taylor,
and she's been digging into this stuff way deep.
And today we're gonna catch up with her life story,
which is fascinating.
You're gonna hear about her background
and how she got Red Pill awakened.

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And her research into the Darken Layland.
We're gonna talk about the technocracy movement,
the planned AI government, Higaly and left
and right, dialectic, various political ideologies.
And she goes deep into the world of the tech oligarchs.
And you're gonna hear about Game B and all kinds of stuff.
She talks 'cause she's writing a book.

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So be on the lookout for that.
And I'm gonna put links in the show notes
where you can catch up with her podcast
and her social medias and a couple of videos
that we referenced during the interview.
One is about the Higaly and dialectic
and the other is about a technocracy round table video.
So check out her social medias, her podcasts

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and her videos while you're listening.
And also, if you're watching the video version of the show,
which as you know, I've got the Tier 2 supporters,
they get the ad free video on unlisted private links.
But I put the free feed videos out on my Spotify,
rumble and new, I don't know, third YouTube channel.

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We had some internet connections
and there's some lag issues that I couldn't,
I thought I could fix it post production
and I could not, turns out.
So the audio should be fine, but the video version,
you might see some parts where the lips don't match.
What's being said, my apologies, okay?
So here you go.

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Check out all of her links while you're listening
to the show and I will catch you on the other side.
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All right, today's guest is a person
that I had the privilege to meet only recently
when we were doing a show with Donut Together.
She's the host of the Courtney Turner podcast
where she's been exploring some super deep topics

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that I know I'm interested in.
I know all my listeners are gonna enjoy.
It's a blend of philosophy, from my perspective,
a blend of philosophy, technology
and how it's shaping our world today.
And when we were on Donut show,
she was dropping mad knowledge on the dark enlightenment.
And I just had to get her on here to share her perspective.
So welcome to the Calls and Lism and Pop Culture podcast

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in this Courtney Turner.
- Thank you, thank you so much for having me,
and honor. - Of course, yeah, this is great.
It's interesting to me when I find,
'cause I have this weird, when I first started all of this
sort of conspiracy realm stuff,
I was really deep into who the figures were
of everything and over time, I find myself sort of

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isolating into my own world of research,
as I'm sure you know how this goes.
So when I did the show with Donut,
I didn't know who you were, to be honest.
And that's fine, 'cause I don't know
a lot of the sort of, the voices are in the movement here.
- Sure. - And I was like,

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I was listening and when we were doing Donut,
and I was like, oh man, she knows some stuff,
'cause you had a background in philosophy and stuff,
and what I wanted to do first,
what I think would be the best,
for me and the audience, is I would love for you
to share your journey into this sort of conspiracy theory realm,
'cause I'm always interested in how people end up over here,
you know. - Right.

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- From what I do know,
reading through your information in your bio
and on your website, I've seen a lot of parallels
and common interests that I've had that got me into this,
specifically maintaining a physical and mental health
and things like this.
So I'm curious here, your perspective,
would you mind kind of briefly going through,
you know, your life's journey of how you got here,

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if you don't mind.
- Yeah, sure.
It was definitely somewhat unusual.
I make the joke that it took me a very long time
to find the train station, then I found the high-speed rail,
and I've been scrambling to catch up.
And what I mean by that is I woke up very late.
Like 2020 was kind of my wake-up moment,
and I did have people along the way

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who planted a lot of seeds.
I'm very grateful for them,
and this is why I tell people, don't get discouraged.
If you're trying to share information,
you feel like it's falling on deaf ears,
'cause you just never know when those seeds that you planted
are, you know, when there's gonna be fertile soil
for it to sprout, you just don't know.
So, and that was the case for me,
and you know, everybody has their reasons

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why they're ready to listen to something
or why they reject the information at that time.
And for me, it was very personal.
My father was really what I wouldn't have known at the time,
but he was very much a meocon.
And it felt like politics is one of the only things
we would really talk about.

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And so I couldn't like hear some of these things
that people were telling me,
because my father would tell me,
you know, don't listen to them.
They're crazy conspiracy theorists.
Like, you can't, you know, you have to ignore that.
That's just nonsense.
And I really felt like I didn't want to jeopardize
the relationship with my father at that time.
And so I kind of just, you know, push it down, ignore it.

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And then 2020 hit.
And of course, I lived in Santa Monica, California
where everything shut down.
It was, you know, the, it was quite tyrannical.
And for those who are not familiar with my story,
my birth story, I was born with that kind of unusual
set of circumstances.
My mom was sick during first term,

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a pregnancy.
And I was rendered with all sorts of physical complications.
So I'm blind when I actually had cataract surgery
when I was only three months old.
It was not what it is today.
And they left debris.
They had to go back and do like a retinal cleanup
and all sorts of subsequent kinds of surgery.
So I'm actually blind in that eye.

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And then I'm hearing impaired bilaterally.
I didn't get hearing.
So I was almost six years old, though.
I learned how to speak by reading lips.
My first accent was actually British,
because we had my baby nurse, who's from British Islands.
So--
Oh, wow.
Yeah, they moved their mouth so differently.
And I learned by, you know, mimicking.
So I was mimicking the very closed mouth kind of speech.

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And that makes the difference sound.
That's where you get the dialect.
So--
Oh, OK.
That's fascinating.
OK.
So I had heart surgery.
I was a year old.
I was born with hypotonic limbs, fine graphic motor
impairments, stunted growth.
They basically told my mom the best she could hope for me.
It was a fine, very nice institution for me
to spend my life, because I was going to be completely
autistic, retarded, blind deaf.

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I don't mean that to be politically incorrect.
Like, you know, as a health officer.
And so fortunately, they were wrong.
Very grateful for that.
And fortunately, we were able to find ways for me
to cope and overcome some of these challenges.
However, when 2020 hit--
and I'm living Santa Monica, California,

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and everybody's got their face covered,
I didn't realize how much I still
depend on nonverbal communication for clarity of speech.
Until all the coping mechanisms I spent my life developing
were then strict for me.
And so I was in the entertainment industry.
I was an actress, I was a film producer.

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And I lived in-- I grew up right outside New York City.
And then I lived in LA, Santa Monica.
So I was used to being in a sea of leftists.
And I was very used to kind of downplaying
or staying out of political discourse,
because my views were typically not well received.
So being someone who doesn't love to seek confrontation

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and doesn't love being fired or blacklisted,
just for speaking my mind, I usually
opted out of those discussion.
But when 2020 came around, I found myself just
being-- I can't prove it.
But I'm like 99.99, repeating infinitely
sure that I was fired from both of the gyms I was working

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at at the time for political reasons.
And there was a sequence of events in both gyms that
kind of lead me to believe that that's what happened.
So I was also an area like a medic performer.
And I would speak mostly on movement as a metaphor for life.
And I would talk about the philosophical components

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of physical movement, where teaching people
how to use their physical training as a teacher
to help them overcome adversity and other areas of their life.
And I would do the aerial performances,
mostly just to prove to people it was possible when nobody
thought it was, and because it was really fun.
But of course, when everything was shut down,
and you can't conjure in groups of more than whatever

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arbitrary number, obviously those events were shut down.
So I found myself unemployed with lots of time on my hands.
And I thought it would be a great opportunity to write.
And I found myself so incredibly anxious and depressed,
because I couldn't talk to people,
because everybody's face was covered,

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and I couldn't understand them.
So I was really, really depressed and anxious,
which I don't think I was alone in that.
But I think it was exacerbated because of my unique circumstances.
And so I found a beautiful white screen
staring back at me at the end of eight, 10 hours that day,
and realized that I probably can force this creative process

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and my grand visions of writing my manifesto
were probably not going to happen at that time.
So I ordered 11 books and I started reading a lot.
But then of course, I wanted to talk to people
about all the things I was reading, and I
shoot my mom's ear off her as long as she would allow me
and on the phone.
And then she'd be very polite, but it

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was getting to be a bit much.
So I started sharing some of my thoughts on social media.
And I really didn't think they were controversial at all.
But I've learned that if you post a picture of an orange on social media,
you will get 20,000 people will tell you, no, that's an apple.
So that's just how this works.
So I found that a little bit frustrating.

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And I had some people reach out to me saying,
you should start a podcast.
And I was so naive, I had not listened to podcasts.
I knew nothing about podcast.
And some people who had heard my birth story
said, you need to be on Rogan.
And I said, what's a Rogan?
Why do I need to be on it?
And there's that little new podcast.
I know who your Rogan is for the record now.

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But I mean, I was just not aware, totally clueless.
But I started listening to podcast.
And they became kind of my friends.
It was entertaining.
I could hear them.
And I guess the way people used to feel when they would watch TV
weekly, you know, and the celebrities are in their living room.
They feel like those are their friends.

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And that kind of sadly, what became my first few months of 2020.
And then I actually think about it.
And the idea of doing a podcast terrified me,
however, I realized that it would be a way
to have naked face conversations.
And that that might save my life.
So even if it was over a digital interface,

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if I could see somebody's face and have meaningful conversations,
that would be so fulfilling and rewarding for me.
So I made a commitment for six months
that I was going to record conversations.
If I could be so blessed to do that, I'm in person great.
But even if it was over some sort of a digital interface
that we would do that.
And I told my guests that I might not error them.
That this was really for me.

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I just wanted to be able to talk to people and see their face.
And I really enjoyed it.
They really enjoyed it.
And so I think I aired my first January of 2021, sorry.
And in the beginning, really started
coming from a very political and very--

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in the health freedom kind of space.
And I remember in the beginning, I kept saying,
if we could just get the right people in office,
and we could fix this whole mess.
And I kept saying that I felt like the Republicans
were behaving as controlled opposition for left.
I say a few months, I think it was really
a few weeks into this process.

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No, they were created to be a controlled opposition.
That's kind of how this thing works.
And I started diving pretty deep down the rabbit hole.
And the first-- I would say my big major veil lifting
was there was a friend of mine.
I don't know why in 2020, everybody

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had some sort of major crises at midnight.
It was just midnight.
It was the most pressing time for me to dive into something.
And then, of course, I was not going to be able to sleep.
But I had a friend who sent me a video of Dr. John Coleman.
And it was his committee of 300 video.

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It was actually surprisingly still on YouTube.
So you can find that still.
And he said, if you ever heard of him,
if you ever watched this.
And I said, no.
And he said, OK, you have to watch this and then call me.
So I did.
And of course, we were on the phone until five in the morning.
And I started looking through all of his books.
And I found one of them was retailing on Amazon for almost $4,000.

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Whoa, what don't they want us to know?
Now you can get it for $25.
I don't know what they've changed or what
is transpired in that time.
But I obviously was not spending $4,000.
I didn't have on this book.
But I was able to find it the PDF online.
And to my knowledge, he's no longer with us.
So I don't feel bad about taking the author's work for free.

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But I read it three times in a week.
And it was Dr. John Coleman's book on Tabestock,
The Tabestock Institute of Human Relations.
And because my academic background had
been mostly seeped in the field of psychology and philosophy,
a retreat if I page thesis on dream analysis
when I was in high school.
They were essentially dissertations.

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Like I did a field work I presented before,
a panel mostly of neuroscientists.
And so I had a very strong background in psychology,
philosophy I did in independent studies on in high school,
and then I majored in college.
And so, and then I was in the film industry.
And Tabestock was kind of, this book was exposing how

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all three of those fields converged for the purposes
of social engineering, whether intentionally
or whether it was utilized that way.
People may dispute.
I certainly have lots of thoughts on that.
But certainly they were very instrumental in creating tools
that were used for social engineering purposes.
So it really captured my interest because those are things

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I had been so immersed in for most of my life.
And then that was when I could no longer
be quite as naive.
Do you think that the philosophy and dream analysis
and those things you would learn in college
were at odds with what you'd read from Dr. John Coleman

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or did it kind of just say the same stuff
from a different angle?
Like what do you think is going on there?
Oh, completely at odds.
So I had written my college thesis
on existential authenticity.
I had done my high school, basically,
dissertations on dream analysis.
So I was very enamored with these figures.

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And all of my professors and teachers
had presented them as the heroes of history.
And so it was the only things I had
of mini kind of awakening in around 2011, 2012.
I had a friend who was writing a book at the time
on the Frankfurt School.

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And I was very familiar with the Frankfurt School
of the philosophy major.
But all the things he was talking about
were coming from a very different perspective
than what my professors were exposing.
However, when I was in college,
I was actually arguing with my professors all the time.
In fact, I had so many arguments with my thesis advisor
that I would go to the head of the department of philosophy.

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We didn't agree at all, but at least he
would allow me to have true intellectual discourse.
Like we could really hash out the ideas.
Whereas my thesis advisor was just obsessed with Michelle
Cole, and he just wouldn't tolerate any kind of dissonance at all.
But because I had these conversations

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with my friend who was writing this book on the Frankfurt School,
it really opened my eyes to how they were utilizing tactics
to infiltrate their culture in ways that I really
hadn't thought about.
Or I don't think I was really--
I knew intuitively, but my professors
were arguing so vehemently against me.
Are there any example--

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I mean, I know this is a massive can of worms to open up.
And I want to talk dark and light-man with you.
But--
Yeah, I think he did.
Because I'm--
So you're aware of Jay Dyer.
I saw that on your Twitter bio, you
had a link to a conference you were
throwing in Nashville, I believe.

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Yay, and Jamie, I consider him great friends.
Jay Dyer.
You're birthday.
What's that?
We now have the same birthday.
Oh, OK.
Like a couple of years younger, but yeah, same birthday.
Yeah, because like, you know, Jay gets into a lot--
like a lot of this--
you know, my research and interests

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are trying to understand these things
and then trying to talk about pop culture and the occult.
And I call all of these things kind of go together
in various ways.
But some of it gets a little too heady for me, right?
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And I'm trying to understand, because I know--
you know, Jay would talk about Tabestock things as well.

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And I'm reading this book.
I'm trying to see if I can see the title for here,
but it's covered up.
Anyway, I'm reading this book about how the CIA was part
of this sort of culture creation thing.
And it's a real like academic type book,
so it's really painful to read.
And I'm trying to hack my way through this thing.
But do you have any examples of--

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because if I'm here and you're correct,
you're kind of supporting the theory
that all of these, I dare I say, elites
are using methods of psychology or philosophy to what?
Sort of stirs down a path of total control?
Or like, what's a-- what's kind of an example of what

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you think this looks like?
Oh, well, there's so many.
But I recently wrote an article--
I wrote three actually on this term, which--
I'm not a huge fan of the label itself,
but the underpinnings of it I can support.
And I wrote this article on the term that's
been floating around called the "Woke Right."

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But really--
Yeah, I've heard that.
Yeah.
Right?
And it's definitely tied into the darken lightmen.
So we'll get there.
But really what I was trying--
and I got some flack for not being--
the way I interpreted it, they didn't necessarily use this term,
but not being gossipy enough.
I didn't talk about-- people want things that are salacious.
They want to hear all the figures, like, who are all the names?

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They want to point the fingers.
And they want specific examples.
So they can just gut the gossip without discussing
the architecture, the operating system,
and the philosophical presuppositions
that underline what's actually happening.
And for me, I'm not really interested in all
that stuff, but I think I'd probably
be a lot more appealing to a lot of people if I were.

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But to me, it's really about the tactics, the tactics,
because it's not for me to tell you what to think.
I want you to be able to recognize the tactic
and then use your own discernment.
Because I think that critical thinking has been intentionally
eradicated from our education.
And so--
but in this-- one of the things I wrote about
was how--

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like, for example, Christopher Rufeau has
been talking about how Antonio Gramsci
should be utilized for the right-- political right--
that they should use his tactics.
He's also indicated that people like Saul Linsky,
who were mentors to people like Obama and Hillary Clinton,
that-- and he wrote the rules for radicals,

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which he actually dedicated to Lucifer,
the original radical, who had his own kingdom.
Yes, these are the kind of figures.
And then, of course, you know, people
like the Frankfurt School, the cultural Marxist.
And so in the series of articles,
what I talk about are what were these tactics
so that people like Antonio Gramsci were using.

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So Antonio Gramsci, most of his work
actually came out of when he was in prison, the prison notebooks.
But-- and there's a lot more than get--
I recommend people reading his grandsons memoirs.
I think they're quite revealing.
But-- I've never heard of any of these names.
Oh, OK.
Well, OK.

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This is fascinating.
OK.
Lennon famously was very baffled by the fact
that after the Bolshevik Revolution,
it didn't spread throughout the West.
Like Karl Marx had promised, right?
He promised that you were going to have this revolution
that was going to spread all over.
And Lennon didn't understand.
He was so flamoxed.

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What's going on?
And so he had called a meeting.
He had-- there were several meetings.
But the Lennox Marxist Institute in Moscow
was one of the famous meetings.
And he had many meetings with Gramsci.
And he had asked.
And Gramsci had said, I think the problem
is you're treating this as an economic problem.

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And you're seeking an economic revolution.
However, as long as people are entrenched
in their cultural belief systems,
like the culture of capitalism, for instance,
you're never going to have an economic revolution.
This is a cultural problem.
And so this is where he actually didn't coin the term
long march through the institutions.
It was something Roy-- I have it in my article.

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I'm just drawing a blank on his name.
But that was the concept.
The concept that there were these five pillars of society
and that you need to infiltrate them
in order to create a long march, a cultural revolution
that was gradual and incremental, kind of like the Fabian
Socialist style.
This is why the Fabians had their mascot

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as the tortoise, because slow, steady incrementalism.
Their coat of arms is actually the wolf-en-chef's clothing,
which I think is a nod to the Higalyan dialectic, which
represents their tactics.
I have a sub-stack article on the Fabian tactics
of propaganda.
People are interested in diving into that.
But they're actually a splinter group

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of the fellowship of the new life, which
is a philosophical organization
inspired by the transcendentalist movement.
But yeah, no matter a can of warms there.
But-- so that was his recommendation
was that you have to go through the pillars of society
like religion, like law, like education, like entertainment,

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media, these kinds of pillars that are anchoring society.
And if you could infiltrate those institutions,
the academic institutions were another one,
then you could have this slow, gradual kind of subversion.
And this is where we get the concept of things
like color revolution.
Mao was a huge example of this.

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And there's a lot of evidence that Mao was actually trained
by British affiliates, through skull and bones,
Anthony Sutton writes about this.
There are a few others who have written pretty extensively
on it as well.
But he was trained through Yale and China as the outfit.
So he was actually a yel-y.

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And so I don't think it was a purely Chinese concept.
There's a lot of overlap with this cultural Marxist
kind of tactics.
You know, this isn't my forte isn't politics,
or some of the things you're talking about right now,
like the architecture of this control system.

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And for a variety of reasons.
And it's not my forte, so I don't know what to think of it all.
And I had Jay on.
And I said, because I'm not a conservative guy.
I'm moderate.
I've got a hefty amount of sort of right wing values.
And then I've-- but I've got probably more values

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that are leftist.
But overall, I'm a pretty moderate guy.
I'm reasonable.
I think there's extremists on both sides that are so wild.
And it's obscene.
And I think most people are pretty moderate.
But what I ask Jay is, because what I know of the history
of like the FBI, Coentel Pro, the CIA,

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it seemed like the intelligence agencies
had a real beef with communism.
And I'm not saying that's not justified.
I'm not a communist guy.
I for capitalism, for all the evils involved in it,
I think is overall kind of the pride of the best thing
we got going.
But what I don't understand is how, as a conspiracy guy

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who sits here and says, oh my god, the FBI was
taken out subversives and communists.
And then they had all this propaganda, like the mockingbird,
that they were telling us how bad communism was
and lying to us about how great capitalism is.
And we had all these false flag wars, like a Vietnam
and the Gulf of Tarkin, for just to take down communism.
Like it's over and over and over.

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And I like, so, I mean, philosophically debating,
I feel like wouldn't it be that if the enemy trying
to deceive us is saying, no, communism is bad,
capitalism's great, shouldn't that make us think,
well, maybe communism isn't bad,
maybe the control system is capitalism.
And I'm not advocating for that.

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I'm just saying, like, wouldn't that,
that's where my brain goes when I start looking into all
of these things that you're talking about,
like the color revolutions and things.
Tell me why I'm wrong in that, please.
Jay explained it to me in a way.
And I was like, okay, that kind of makes sense.
But I'm still hung up around the axles about this.
- Fair enough.
And it's a valid valid question.

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And you're teetering on the edge of something
that there's a lot of validity.
I'm in the process of, and I've got a sneak preview
of a book of it is already up on my substack.
But I'm writing a book on Higilian dialectics.
And I call it Higil's Dialectic Anostic Jacob's Letter
and a Machine Review Control.

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So, and I do think just to back up a little bit
when you said you're coming from more of a conspiracy,
a cult kind of perspective,
I think they're all very interwoven.
And I think, so the joke I make,
and it's not politically correct,
so I forgive me if I offend anybody.
But the joke I make is that because I see

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that the occult works through the left and right,
but it's more like marketing kind of tactics.
Not to say that there aren't philosophical underpinnings
for communism or capitalism or conservativism, there are.
But in today's society, mostly,
they become target audiences for marketing purposes.
And what I see is they kind of have figured out

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that and that these same occult groups
are working through the left and the right.
And they've kind of figured out that,
some people have mommy issues and some people have daddy issues,
but either way,
- So they both have both, okay.
- Yeah, right, so I'm gonna have both, you know.
- Just talk about, I'm just talking about.
- Right, yeah, but either way,

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they're gonna have, you know, the blue comfort blankier,
the pink comfort blankier, and they'll passify you.
- Okay.
- And that's kind of how they operate.
So I see when you're talking about like capitalism
versus communism,
people like who I call, you know, the,
they call themselves the futurist.
And I always make the other joke that,
it's really easy to predict the future when you plan it.

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So, but the futurist like Brzezinski and Kissinger,
for instance, would talk about this clash
between East and West philosophies, right?
Like capitalism and fascism or capitalism and communism
or communism and fascism and how they would be pitted
against each other.

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And they didn't necessarily use the term dialectable,
but more dialectical purposes,
so that they, you know, you could create the dialectical turn.
I see it as a spiral and hegal use kind of that,
a, you know, descriptor.
And it becomes a spiral that is a pointing towards the
omega point, which I, they were saying would be

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the emergence of the technology.
And this gets to why I'm pointing that I think that
the dark enlightenment and the game B
are left versus right, you know, in terms of marketing,
umbrella dialectics in order to usher in the
noosphere concept, which will lead towards the
technological singularity.

(29:43):
And I do think this is all tied to a cult belief systems.
It all ends up being the logical spiritual,
because it's about their worldview.
And I call it the technological immunization of the
Eskitan.
So, and that's a concept you're familiar with.
And I'm sure your audience is as well.
But that's very much what I see them doing because there,

(30:05):
I don't know if that's, it's that they don't believe that
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they're going there.
But they want to create heaven here on earth.
I for me, it looks a little more like a hellscape or dystopia.
I'm not so sure it's going to be heaven.
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Because they can't create anything new.
So it's an inversion of everything, and it is synthetic.
It's not organic, because it's not from the creator.
So are you a spiritual person?
Do you follow a certain religion of any kind?
I don't necessarily follow a specific religion.
I grew up without any religion.

(33:22):
My family is actually my family's Jewish.
Jenny was not very popular these days.
And they were, but they were not religious.
So I didn't grow up with any religion.
And my husband's Christian.
And so we've been starting to read the Bible.
I never expected that I'd find myself in this theological space.
But when I started doing all of this, when I was looking at the political landscape,

(33:46):
it led me to the philosophical underpinnings, which I had a background in,
but also led me to the psychological profiling of the personalities and the orchestration of power,
and the operations of power, right?
And when you start going far enough down the rabbit hole of psychology,
just get into the esoteric, the occult that's we created it.

(34:08):
And when you get into the power structure of the oligarchs, of the architects of globalism,
it's all the philosophy.
Does looking at all of this stuff, because I, I'm not going to make this about me,
but like I was raised in a sort of non-denominational church with my mother,
took me, I went like three times a week, and my father, he didn't like the church,

(34:32):
so he identified as a Christian.
He would read the Bible often.
I'd see him reading his Bible often, but he was very much not your text book sort of Christian.
Like he was a big prison guard with tattoos and got into all kinds of trouble sometimes.
But when I turned 16, my mom stopped making me go to church, I was like, "Oh, thank God, that's over."

(34:54):
And I had doubts about it, and when I was, how old was I?
21, I met me and my wife, my girlfriend decided to get married,
and I got baptized Greek Orthodox, and I really loved the Orthodox church.
I was really hardcore about it for about 10, 15 years.
And then I kind of chilled out a little bit, and I've ever really gone in like five years.

(35:18):
For no particular reason, it's not like I'm like, "Oh, I'm an atheist now, because I hate God."
It's not like that at all.
I mean, I still, I say prayers, and I believe in all the same tenets of Orthodoxy, absolutely.
I just, Orthodoxy has a high demand for the practice.
It's pretty intense if you want to go the full, the full, you know, full experience.
And I did it for many, many years, I just kind of burned out a little bit.

(35:43):
Anyway, my point being that it's interesting to me because as I dive deeper into the occult
and you're very good description of the architecture of the system and the tactics they use, I always
end up researching how they are interested in the occult and gnosticism and things like

(36:03):
it in the simulation world. And it, for me, it further deep into me into my Christian faith background.
I'm not saying it makes me a better Christian.
That's for sure. I got my own problems.
But the more I look at it, the more I find myself being like, "Oh man, Christianity must be real."

(36:23):
They have such a beef with it. Like, Alistair Crowley at Jack Parsons.
They wouldn't stop talking about it. It was like their version of their Trump derangement syndrome.
It just lived in their head constantly. And for me, I just, I don't know.
I just wonder how that fits when you research all this stuff.
Because from what I guess, you didn't really, prior to 2020, I'm guessing you didn't really

(36:45):
read into the occult much. No.
No.
Okay.
I mean, yeah, no. And I mean, I was, I was the like yoga teacher and I taught like a partner acrobatics
and all of them were into like love and light. I mean, it was all new age jobs.
And I like, I like a lot of that. That's where my problem lies is I like a lot of that new age
cycle battle stuff because it makes me feel good. And ultimately, I go,

(37:08):
deny it. You know what I mean?
Yeah, who can argue with love and light? I mean,
except when you read the world in vocation day prayer, and this goes creep me out. I always talk
about it because it creeps me out so much. But at the end of it, it says to just seal the door,
where evil dwells like, whoa, which side are we locking the door? Like,

(37:30):
oh, right. They don't specify.
That is pretty.
So yeah, no, for me, I mean, it definitely, I'm definitely not naïve.
And there's no way you could be reading all this. I shouldn't speak for other, but there's
no way I could be after reading all this stuff. There's just no way. They are very,

(37:51):
you know, adamantly opposed to any monotheistic religion. So it's really all the Abrahamic faiths,
but particularly traditional Judaism and Christianity. Madame Blavowski talks about it all the time.
She always says how she's diametrically opposed to Christianity and traditional Judaism.
Same with Alice Bailey. Alice Bailey actually talks about, you know, her whole plan in the

(38:13):
externalization of the hierarchy. And, you know, one of this in the section four of the externalization
of the hierarchy where she starts to map out this plan, she'll have to have the Jews have to be
eradicated. That is part of the plan, because otherwise they can't achieve the rest of their goals
when creating the syncretic religion. Which is that, which, when you say the syncretic religion,

(38:35):
you're comparing that to the technological singularity, the newest spear, the omega point,
all those things? I think it underpins it. So we have, you know, and this is where when we do get to,
like the the darken lightment, I think is it's just the right hand path of these more theosophical

(38:55):
spiritualist kind of belief systems that are under, but both of them are steering us towards
the singularity. They're just doing different flavors. So, you know, it's like you can go to an
ice cream shop and it's filled with chemicals and poison, but they'll give you, you know, whatever

(39:15):
flavor you prefer. So you might prefer the, the vanilla, so, you know, either way, you're going to get
your your your preferred flavor of poison. And I always use the, because they always do this paltrum,
where they, you know, mix the truths in. And so I use the analogy of the ice cream that's,
you know, not so good for you, but you really wanted and it's a nice income. But then they pour on

(39:39):
the sprinkles and the sprinkles are the truth. And so you keep licking the sprinkles and you're like,
oh, must be true. Must be true. So it's good for me. And before you know it, you've eaten the whole
hook-gripping lie, hook-gripping lie. And that is kind of how these operations work. And it's because
they're matches of deception. You know, I talk about the triple D's that that's their trinity that
they worship. The, I guess you could call them the Luciferians, the Satanist, whatever a cult

(40:04):
flavor it is. But it is, you know, then Christianity, you know, there's a trinity, there's a trinity.
And then their trinity is the, it's the triple D's. It's the, they're masters of deception. So they
just see, they just stalk in order to manipulate the truths to get you to convince you of their lies.
And then there's the division. And this is why I've written this, I'm writing this book on the

(40:28):
Higalean dialectic because it really is, I think, such a tool for them. And it's an operating system.
And they use it to divide and conquer, yeah. And you had a video on your rumble account
about the Higalean left-right building the technocracy. Is this part of your, your books topic and

(40:49):
research? And does this all fit into the dark enlightenment stuff? Yeah, so yes, I had in my book,
I mean, I'm really trying to lay out, I go through the ancient mystery cult and how their obsession
with the unity of opposites for purposes of transcendence. So, you know, it's like, they don't see
the good and evil has to be integrated in order to achieve transcendence. So it's not separate,

(41:16):
it's an integration. And this, you see this theme throughout most of these ancient mystery cults.
And so I lay out a lot of them, I obviously, I'm sure I've missed some, but they all have very similar.
I use little G to, as an umbrella term for all the gnostic belief systems. You know, people

(41:37):
argue with me and they'll say, well, you know, the hermetisists were arguing with the gnostics in
the first century. I understand that. I know the history, but they still have shared underlying
worldviews and they still have shared, really, I would call it the architecture, the operating system
that drives their practices, their rituals and their belief systems. So I use little G

(41:59):
gnosticism as an umbrella that paved the way for Hagle. And Hagle was immersed in these
cult circles. You know, it was actually Ficka who interpreted Kant's dialectic, which Hagle rejected,
as being thesis into the Sysynthesis system. This is what has become the popular,
you know, dialectic that people parrot. And it was actually, I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name

(42:24):
properly, but it's Shallybouse, who actually coined that term to, you know, the triad.
But it was Ficka's interpretation of Kant. And that was never said by Hagle at all. Hagle
talked about the abstract negative and concrete. So, but he was very much inspired by people like

(42:44):
Ficka and Ficka was directly immersed in these cult circles of, you know, the Illuminati, you know,
people like Goeth, Geitha. They were all kind of in these Illuminati occult circles. So,
he was definitely tied in. And I think that had a huge influence on his belief system. And he

(43:06):
himself, Hagle, who was actually very influential on the Dark Enlightenment, but Hagle himself talks
about how my whole thesis is that it is a Safian language that, you know, it's written for the initiated
to interpret the esoteric messages. And then he has an exoteric veneer. And the exoteric veneer,

(43:28):
he's, you know, trying to present it as being a very rational philosophy, very intellectual,
academic. But he himself, and of course, is in German, but I'm telling you the translation,
as I understand it and I read it. But he says that, you know, it's about the spirit of Geiss, right?
Geiss'ism that the world's spirit is progressing towards the rational absolute. However, when you

(43:52):
read him, the rational absolute sounds intellectual and academic and logical, right? Mechanistic. But
when you read him, he himself says that rational is speculative. And then he says speculative is no
different than mystical. So he's telling you that this is a mystical belief system, that that is what

(44:13):
he is teaching you. And these are esoteric writing. And so I, yeah, so in my book, I laid that out,
and then I talk about some more current kind of examples to bring and why it's relevant today and how
social engineers use it to divide and conquer. Do you have any good examples that off top of your head?
You could spit at us here. Well, the example in my video is the Dark Enlightenment versus Game B.

(44:39):
Okay, I don't know what Game B is. Okay, I can tell you, but I can also give you a more like simple kind of
example. I mean, people could just think about the left and the right, right? The, you know,
politically left and right. They're often used to pit against each other. We always hear about
the pendulum's going to swing. What happens when the pendulum swings? They move the over-tune window.

(45:02):
You know, great example. I talk about the medical freedom movement. So if you notice in the
medical freedom movement, we had all these people who were traditionally not in favor of certain
things being put into their bodies. And historically, a lot of these people came from the left politically.
Right. To the right. Round of political left, right? They were the crunchy moms and the, you know,

(45:23):
they were anti-establishment and they were holistic and they they identified as left leaning.
And suddenly they got slapped with our right wing banner. They were either conservatives or
Republicans or libertarians. And a lot of them actually came out and said, we're kind of confused,
you know, like we are used politically, haven't changed. But I guess I'm right wing now, you know,

(45:46):
like now I've got low-wing or whatever it was. But that's how they shifted the over-tune window.
I have a theory that a lot of this was actually done. This, you know, speaking of the cold groups.
I actually think a lot of this was done through the Knights of Malta who were originally the
Knights of Hospitality and even today, the Knights of Malta, their exotere of messaging is that

(46:10):
they do medical charity. And I'm sure they do do some. But, you know, if you know the history of the
Knights of Malta, they're kind of like the, I would say, the left of the left hand path of the
Knights of the Templar who tend to be the more militaristic order. So, you know, again, the
the mommy and daddy issues, right? The right wing tend to be the more patriarchal,
more authoritarian, disciplinary, and the left tend to be the divine mother leading with more

(46:36):
emotionality, more spiritual in the, you know, belief system or at least what they lead with.
And so, but I think that they were instrumental in infiltrating and using that movement to
shift the over-tune window. And another great example, which also does lead us towards the dark

(46:57):
enlightenment, is that we had a year ago, you had people on the right who would never have dreamed
of buying an electric vehicle, right? Because they're, you know, they're the whole climate crisis of
scam. And this is all, you know, Al Gore nonsense. And this is just for a left-wing idiots, I'm not
saying that, but you know, that's how they think or that's the kind of work of here. And, but now,

(47:21):
because Elon Musk is a part of the Trump administration, you have all these people who would never
have dreamed of buying an electric vehicle running out to buy Teslas. Right? That is a great example.
And that's, it's funny to me because I, I don't really had an interest. Like I, I do, I don't know

(47:42):
that I buy into every component of the climate change stuff, but like my, my college background
of science. So I lean towards it. And I'm like, I kind of think this could be happening. Like we should
be, we should take care of the planet. But then I'm also, I see that people involved in it. And I'm
like, yeah, but I don't really trust a lot of the people. And I think they want to make this a
control system in the end and monitor our usage. And this is going to be a way for the elites to do

(48:05):
what they want to do and fly private jets. And the pores can all just kind of suffer and you don't
get to go see anything. And it's interesting because I don't know what year around maybe 2018, Michael
more of all people made a documentary about how the renewables movement was really not
that healthy for the planet for, you know, lack of a better term. Because like, you know, they got to

(48:29):
get the lithium and they got it. They got the batteries. And then like there's all this carbon
footprint that they pretend doesn't exist. But like, and then you got to make the electricity, you know,
and he back then I was like, oh, I'm not getting an electric car. And then recently a buddy of mine,
he sold his cybertruck and he told me because he's also part of, I'm part of this sort of granola

(48:53):
mom thing. Like I've been a granola mom for many, many years. And so as he, in fact, he was the first one
that many years ago laid in on me the idea of how he was very anti, you know, stabby of the thing
that we're talking about. And he was telling me he sold a cybertruck because of the, he's like, well,
yeah, like all these EMF waves come off the batteries and the motors and you're just sitting on top of

(49:18):
all these new arcades. And I was like, well, that makes, I'm an electric engineer by, by, by,
it's through schooling. But I like that makes all the sense of the world. I never even thought about
that. So like, I'm anti electric car for that reason. But I know what you mean because all these sort
of left-right shifts have happened. And it's frustrating because I do think there, there is some kind
of higley and thing going on there because it's, it does seem very sci-oppy. And, and it's frustrating

(49:43):
that people can't be a little more like independent minded about things and not like all of a sudden have to
sort of like, let me segue because I know we're on a time because I want to segue into dark
enlightenment. And part of the fears that I have about the dark enlightenment and I want to hear
your take on the dark enlightenment. But my fear is like how some people are scared of a communist dictator.

(50:09):
I'm scared of an authoritarian dictator as well. And I feel like that's where the dark enlightenment
takes us to the CEO king there. You know, this neo-cameraism idea. And it's shocking me to see so many people
who I would consider, you know, conservatives obviously like Republicans that vote Republican

(50:30):
who are very much like small government. They seem like they're very anti-authoritarian in the sense
that like they don't want the government interfering with their lives at all. And I actually, that's
the part of me that's like, yeah, I'm with that. I get that. But now they're sort of rooting on for this
sort of like, ruling with an iron fist element that's very dark enlightenment. And I'm like, I don't

(50:50):
know where this goes, but it's kind of terrifying to me. What do you think? Where do you want to take that
part of the conversation? Terrifying to me too. I don't think it goes anywhere good. I'm not in
favor of tyranny. I don't care what flavor of tyranny it is. I do not want to talk to you about
any kind. But this is what I will say is that the people who are concerned about fascist versus

(51:17):
the communist just wait till the Czech nocracy comes. That is going to be like a tyranny that I don't
think people can even fathom. They can't comprehend what that kind of tyranny looks like. And what do
you think that? Like, what's how does that look to you? Like is that like a movie you've seen or like
what's the what's the? Like a lot of movies. I like it. Where do we start? I don't know. The most

(51:39):
recent one that I saw was Mickey 17 where he just keeps dying and keeps getting brought back to life.
And that was yeah. But yeah, there are so many movies that I feel like have been operational
preparation of the environment. That would be the militaristic term for what they're doing,
but predictive programming is more colloquially used. But yeah, I think that they're so when I see

(52:03):
the technology, obviously, this is a non-new concept is almost a century ago how our Scott was
the leader of technology, Inc. And you know, technology, Inc. was out of Columbia University. They were
these very intellectual group and trying to come up with some sort of problem solving to
the economic crash in the 20s. And the depression era and they were trying to come up with some

(52:31):
sort of solution. And this solution just happens to look a lot like scientific dictatorship that
Bertrand Russell lays out. Oh, that's a Bertrand Russell thing. Yeah, I mean, it's exactly what
technology is. It's a rule by the elites, but they wanted it to be ruled by the experts, right?
It's ruled by the scientific without any kind of human input. It's just this very mechanistic

(52:59):
kind of control. The thing is that back then, and of course Elon Musk's grandfather was head of
Technocrine in Canada from 1936 to 1943. And yes, his grandfather, Josh Harleman, did pass away while
Elon was very young, but he was very familiar with his grandfather's ideas and very immersed in them,
very much a proponent of them. And he keeps talking about how he's going to implement this

(53:23):
technology up on Mars. But I think that, you know, he's not instituting technology on Mars. What he's
doing is creating technocracy here in the United States as part of the Trump administration. He's
laying all of the foundation for that. And when you look at what it does, back then, I think it was

(53:46):
scary enough just as an idea back then. But now you have to take the technology to really bring this
fruition. And if people think that government is scary with humans who want power, what happens when
you have humans who are coding the smart contracts and, you know, the AI government, which is going to
supplant all human governments. And they've talked about this. The AI world society talks about it.

(54:10):
Elon Musk talks about it. The dark enlightenment talks about it. Each state right now already has the
digital government. A chat GPT has a government portal and you have to be a government official to use
it. And there's summits all over or in each state where they have these digital governance summits.

(54:31):
And so they're already laying the groundwork for this. And, you know, people are very excited about
doge where I'm all for efficiency. I'm all for transparency. I'm all for getting eradicating this,
you know, ridiculous bloated spending. That's great. Please, more that. However, this whole concept that
comes straight out of the dark enlightenment called rage, retirement of all government employees,

(54:54):
is really what they're laying the groundwork for. That's what they're preparing so that they can
have it replaced with AI. And if you think, you know, a project archile trained IRS official
scary, what happens when it's a robot who has no feelings and has just been programmed to execute?

(55:14):
And Elon says that by 2040, you know, we're going to have more robots than humans. And it is this idea.
So I think it's way scarier because you're not dealing with humans who have emotions and who have,
I have no, see no evidence of any kind of technology having sentience. I know they're very invested in
us for leaving that because if we get enough people to believe that there is consciousness or sentience

(55:38):
from a machine, I think the effect will be very similar to as if it actually did have sentience.
But I see no evidence. No matter how many times you've all know, or who already tells us that
he's going to upload our consciousness to the cloud, they'd still not even know what consciousness
they have not fully defined it. No matter how many, you know, millions and I don't know these act number,

(56:02):
but you know, copious funds are donated to, you know, the Institute of Noetic Sciences. They still
haven't figured it out. And even you've all know a Ferrari himself, contradicts himself saying that
we don't have consciousness, that free will, that thing of the path that doesn't exist. But he's
going to upload that thing that we don't have to the cloud because they're all afraid. And this is

(56:23):
where, you know, the Acropolis Systems tie in because this is all about, you know, the sphere of death,
this trying to cheat death. So they have to become their own gods. This is the Nostek belief system,
right? They're going to become their own gods in order to cheat death and create this, you know, kind of
immortality. Some of them believe it's actually going to be a post-tutement world. Nick Land,

(56:47):
who was very influential on Curtis Jarvan, the Stark and Lightning movement, he, I will just say
this, as somebody who has read a lot of philosophy, you know, Nietzsche famously said they, they
money the water, she make it seem deep. Curtis Jarvan and Nick Land don't even do that. I mean,
this is some of the most garbage kind of writing. It's not even good like writing. It's just bad.

(57:09):
Yeah, there was, there was something about Curtis Jarvan because I, I don't know if you know my background.
I've done deep diet, like maybe a five part series on dark and lightning and I'm
very good. Yeah, I listened. They were great. Oh, okay, okay, good. Yeah, that's part of the reason I
wanted to have you on here because I'm like, you're smarter with a lot of this stuff than I am. So I
want to make, I was like, I wanted to kind of, you know, vibe check and make sure I'm not going off

(57:34):
the DJ. You did a nice job. Yeah. Thanks. And one of the things, because I don't know how to read
their writings through that sort of philosophical, critical thinking of seeing where their,
their logical fallacies are and where their arguments fall apart. But one thing that stuck out to me
is Curtis Jarvan was, you know, as part of this whole thing of tearing down the cathedral and getting

(57:57):
getting rid of all of our constitutional rights, which include free speech. Yes. He says,
well, we've got to get rid of free speech. And I'm like, well, dude, like your ideas wouldn't be
allowed on the internet then. So how does that fit into your philosophy of how great this is going
to be? You know what I mean? So I do know what you're saying. That's the only example I could think of.
Well, he's going to be the CEO of the Go Corp. So we can just follow him. It doesn't matter why he's

(58:22):
like either a trap because he's the, he's the king. He's the techno king. And so you have this,
it is a very authoritarian. They do believe it. They want to revive the, it's essentially a techno
meofudal system where, you know, he talks about how we should be run, but like corporations that the

(58:43):
CEO is going to be the monarch. And so you're going to have a complete like dictatorship. And that
even says that that Americans need to get, get over their fear of dictators because that's really
the best system. We need to have a dictatorship. But now you, when you have technology, when you have
technology that's being programmed to control, I don't think people have any concept of how truly

(59:09):
dystopian this could get. And then so, yeah, so you have, when I said you have this, a kind of
dialectic between the game B and the very briefly kind of give you a rundown of game B because it's
kind of a, it's a long dive. And it's not new. It was, I had a theory that it was seeded by the

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intellectual dark web as an influence operation to prepare the ground for game B and Andrew
Cohen actually has an article on his manifest in Iran that pretty much says that he isn't used the
words operation influence influence operations. Sorry, it isn't used those words that that's my words.
However, he pretty much says that that they're, you know, preparing the landscape. And it was back

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in 2011 Jim Wright, who was the chairman of Santa Fe Institute. He had met Jordan Hall who was doing
the circuit right now. We see another just a thorough little monkey wrench in here and I'm working
on a sub-sat on that. We see a lot of what I call Christianies being used as kind of an umbrella.
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support and listenership. I would not be doing the show without you. To lure people, I think it's very
deceptive, but we see this, we see in Dark Enlightenment, right Peter Teal claims he's a Christian and
that there's a, you know, kind of technocratic movement, he doesn't call it that, but you know, he says
it's all very Christian and I don't know how the two are commensurate at all, but he, that is what he

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says and then so he's, you know, leading with the Christianity as the umbrella to, which I don't think
is Christian at all, but that's, you know, the Christianese that he's putting on top of it, then you
have like arc aligns for responsible citizenship, which is also doing that as a way to, you know, he says
that it's a conservative counter to the world economic forum. However, the funding comes like

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pretty much directly out of the clients of the world economic forum called Lugatum. I have a whole
video tying the financial ties there, but they're also using him, this Christian umbrella, although a
lot of it looks like more price consciousness, the theosophy rather than true Christianity. I mean
Jordan Peterson, who's helming this is a Jungian, Jung was a Mithrian, that is, you know, Jung actually

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had dreams of like overthrowing Christianity. He had a dream that he was the, like, the Contopus,
I don't know, the lion head of, you know, the Mithrin religion, which essentially is like a satanic
figure and he dreamt that, you know, he would overthrow Christianity. And we see echoes of this,
which are in Peterson talking about, you should become the monster and incorporate it, right? This

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is this very kind of a Mithrian concept, a coupleistic also of, you know, integrating your shadow,
integrating bark so you can transcend. So there we have that. And then we have this with Game
B where Jordan Hall has recently converted to Christianity. He's talking about, he at his,
and we see overlaps because there's the network state and Peter Teal, who is dark and white

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man to Jason, right? But he's also in this Game B space. And there was a, he, there's this startup
network with startup cities, foundations. I think it's called, I'll look at exactly what it is,
but it's being held at Prospera, which is Peter Teal's Bitcoin companies cities in Honduras.
And the subsidiary of that is called Vitalia, but they've changed the name. They're always

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changing their names. It's very important to understand. But it's called now impanita. But when it was
Vitalia, you'd open the website and it was a city come build the city where death is optional.
And now it's called impanita. And it's, you know, they have all these buzzwords like longevity,
which is really kind of code for transhumanism. But he did a speech there four years ago talking about

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Game B network states. And now he did a much shorter one at this in Prospera talking about network states.
And then he talks about liturgy. And he's essentially saying that liturgy should build communitarianism.
I'm pretty sure that's not what liturgy is about. But communitarianism is this like very technological

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kind of it encompasses everything with law, technology. It's a, you know, the network state kind of concepts,
monetary systems. And so he talks about that. But he also did this show of Game B,
Christianity. He also did another one where he says that they were talking about how like Ephesians

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for talks about collective, collective cognition, which I'm pretty sure it does not. But this is all
gearing us towards the Noah's fear concept. And in Game B they talk about collective intelligence.
So this is again this Noah's fear concept. So both of them are cre, are steering us toward both Game B

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and the dark enlightenment in very different ways. They're giving us, you know, one is more of a top
down authoritarian gav core, right? But both of them are talking about dissolutions of nation-state,
geographical nation-states in favor of some sort of technological system, control system.
And one is advocating for, I don't know, centralize the situation of the information institutions would lead to,

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it would be the conduit for the world brain. And back then that was the academic institutions.
Today, what are the information institutions? They're the internet technology. And Shrinivasan,
the logic Shrinivasan, who wrote the book on the network state actually says that he hated and
talked about the world brain. But he talks about how the disease, it will decentralize at first and later

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be re-centralized. And so he even admits that that is the purpose, that that's the idea of the
sea centralization. It has to be in order for the interoperability to function. So the Game B people
are more like a lot of them are disciples of people like Barbara Marx Hubbard, who was, you know,

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an intellectual disciple of Teyar Deschardin, who talks about the Noah Spear. And she was one of the
leaders of the Center of a Conscious Evolution funded by the Rockefeller. So there's a lot of
Rockefeller funding in both sides actually, which is typically the name of the game, right? That he
gave it to me. And this goes back to the where we were talking about where I get confused because I'm

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like it seems like there's a capitalism versus communism thing. And you're kind of saying it's kind
and it is kind of like I took a course on politics in America and college and we we had this whole
section about how lobbyist and industries will support both sides, both candidates because like
they don't care who gets in. They want to make sure they're they get their favors repaid, right?

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And it's kind of like it's sort of saying what you're talking about.
Yeah, that's a very honest teacher. Yeah, that's that's right. It's not it's about serving their
interests. So I think that you know right now what we're seeing is a lot of these dark
enlightenment figures are surrounding Trump. And we have kind of two camps and I think

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JD Vance is a convergence of these two. So you've got these like you know Theobrose,
the the neon Tigralis and JD Vance who had fallen to that category. And then you've got the
tech oligarch Rose. And there are a lot of them are dark enlightenment figures. And the two of them
are kind of converging which a lot of people seem confused by that. Well, I don't understand how

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is this you know compenser it with Christianity and why are these two you know washing each other's
hands so to speak. Well, why why are they playing ball with each other? And I think it's operational
because the neon Tigralis are trying to eradicate the first amendment which explicitly says that
they're you know that religion is separate from the state, right? There's freedom of religion.

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It's not freedom from religion it's freedom of religion. So that is part of the first amendment and
it is first four. So there is a group that is really trying to create a theocratic movement.
And I would argue that they're not all neon Tigralis but certainly Vance is and you know they're

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all kind of coalescing around Trump. And then you've got the people who want to create this
gulp corp and do a way with government altogether so that they can put their gulp corp in power,
privatize everything so that they can put these tech oligarch you know billionaires in power.
And I think that the the two philosophies work very well together. They both also share

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underpinnings of like things like eugenics you know racism this idea that you know like kind of a
white supremacy type of philosophy. Nick Land, Dark Enlightenment, Accelerationist figure, talks about
how he has a whole article on hyper racism. He says we have to move beyond racism and he's
essentially advocating what Elon Musk does which is this genetic selection for positive eugenics.

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Right and that's the yeah right that we're and that's what Elon Musk is doing and with you know his
is on 14 kids that are mostly you know in test tubes. 14 we know about. Yeah right yeah but he's
very much in favor you know a lot of people are championing that he's a natalist and that he's pro
you know building families and having children however they're not necessarily looking at

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the fact that he's laying the groundwork for this transhuman future where children it doesn't matter
children are where he's dehumanizing the whole procreation process in favor of and desensitizing
people as you insane favor of but by his example in favor of but he's desensitizing people to you

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know ectolife pods where humans are literally like women are are no longer needed because you can
have an out of body whoo that's really the that where they're that's what they're dehumanizing people too.
This dark enlightenment is very dark I think that the this dark mega movement is a is a nod to the

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dark enlightenment you know when they talk about the golden age I'm not so sure that that's not you
know in a cult reference and I don't know how golden it's going to be for the masses these are really
their ideologies that come from thinkers like Heidegger, Hegel, Julius Evola, Herman Hop these are not
these are not friends of liberty they're not friends of free will in a biblical sense of free will

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they're much more when they talk about freedom I think it's like freedom as a collective end
so very much like in the corral the chrallian kind of dilemma do without willt
you know or Nietzschean willt of power it's as an end it's a radical freedom that is also very
collectivist it's where we march towards this omega point or as Hegel would say the you know the

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geist spirals towards the world rational absolute and that's the end and Hegel himself says that
humans can have no freedom without complete subservience to the state the state is God of course that's
the yeah oh my gosh well sorry I feel a lot I feel like a lot darker now than before um okay so I know

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our time is short we got to go but I'm going to put a link in the show notes to because I'm going to
watch this video too on your rumble with the the Higali and left right dialect and the game B stuff
because I I feel like you're unwrapping a whole nother element of this darken laminate I'm not
even looking at right now so where else where else can I can our listeners get more of your work your

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information where should we send them what links that I put in the show notes oh if people want to
start with game B I would tell them I've done I don't know how many hours on this topic but and I
am going to do some written pieces I just haven't had time to do the you know articles on it I will
do some write-ups but I did a three and a half hour I know it's a lot I actually had AI do a like

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half an hour summary of it so for people who want just the clip notes version um but the on game B
and it was a presentation so people can find that that might be a good kind of comprehensive
overview of game B but I you know and then they can back up and start with the one I did on
Brett Weinstein when he did his speech to the rescue the republic and he talks about how

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it's not a republic if we can keep it it's a republic if we can Phoenix it and
are you talking about is that the dude who was like um during the pandemic was all over the
Joe Rogan spheres talking about that stuff yes that really that guy that guy might be involved with
us too well that guy is one on the ground floor he was at the Stanton meetings with Jim Rudd

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as the resident of the Stereo Ballad just a part of they were creating something called the
Emancipation Party which was very like Bernie Sanders kind of platform so both the game B and the
the darken light enlightenment figures are very much in favor of a UBI when you really scratch beneath
the surface that's why it's about the flavors so with the sensibilities with the mommy issues

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of the daddy issue but either way they're both advocating for elitist control by technology
pro elite programming technology to control you and they all have the same kind of you know there's
new wants differences but yeah and yes this is Brett Weinstein uh my who he talks about Phoenixing

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the republic and anybody who's familiar with the uh you know certainly there's Operation Phoenix
with CIA there's the Tavistock Operation Phoenix there's the Rose Crucion symbol of the Phoenix
we you know this is where we got the the slogan that they used in the CIA Operation Phoenix we have
to burn the village to build the village right I think this is what the great reset is we have to

(01:15:20):
tear down to build back better uh you know burn it down first uh so the Phoenix definitely has a
lot of kind of a cult messaging and symbolism I think and uh that's uh I go through that and yeah
talk about how he he was on the ground floor building this game B concept but yes the game B tends to
appeal more to left kind of sensibilities there uh a lot of them are disciples of people like

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Barbara Marx-Hoverd the theosophical kind of vein uh there's a so yeah I would tell people to go
look into that I've done a lot of episodes on that then of course they can uh I break down some of
the philosophical concepts uh in my substack articles um yeah I don't know it's it's a lot it's a lot
sorry it's a lot of tried to pack into it yeah this is yeah this is fascinating okay then I'm going to

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link to um are there any social medias you prefer to use that you want me to post for them?
sure I mean I I'm pretty active on Twitter although I I've been a little bit less active because it
tastes up so much time and it's uh you know there's so much your edupe prop on there um but uh you know
it's uh but yeah in there I am definitely active there people I'm active on my substack

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reachable there and then um my for people could I'm so censored but uh for people who are interested
in more of like the fitness health wellness kind of space I do a lot of that on my Instagram so
okay great okay cool I'll post all those hey this was fascinating um I I can't wait do you know
when that book is gonna come out that you're writing? yeah so I'm hoping this summer I'm gonna oh wow

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okay yeah so I'm uh this month I'm gonna I'll still be uploading uh but I'm gonna take a break from
recording for this next month and uh trying to finish this book up I'm probably just gonna
self publish it so I would say I want to say June but I probably July it's one who'll be more
realistic that all okay awesome I look I look forward to it that that's that's great you're you're

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an expert on these things and I appreciate you taking the time to talk to our audience appreciate it
yeah thank you so much fascinating stuff I can't wait for her book to come out uh so check out
Courtney Taylor's podcast and her social media's I'll put links in the show notes for a couple of
her rumble videos and her uh her substack uh and her whole link tree where you can catch up with her

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on all the socials you know Twitter and Instagram and all that uh but yeah special thanks to Courtney
Taylor she's doing some great research so uh check her out for more information thank you for
listening to the show till next time stay positive

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