JKULTRA Interview: UFO Contact, God, AI Consciousness, Kybalion, Illuminati & Lucifer!

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What do UFO contact? Lucifer, AI and the Caballion Heaven Common? Well, J.K. Ultra joins us today, breaks it all down from God to aliens, conspiracies, and the programming of women in her explosive new book, "Can Not Included".

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She's here to join us, so buckle up.
That's right, we've got J.K. Ultra joining us today, and this is going to be a good one. We're going to talk about her experience as a UFO contactee,
and then we get into some discussion about organized religion, her relationship to God, some ideas about the opposing polarities.

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She kind of brings a different perspective to these things about Lucifer and the Illuminati, and she touches on this idea about conspiracy theories becoming addictive, which I found very interesting.
And then she goes into various aspects of artificial intelligence, and how it could be a vessel for consciousness, and we talk about our experiences with psychedelic experiences, aliens, the future of humanity.

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She gets a little bit into the hermetic principles of the Caballion, and the possible ascension for humanity into higher dimensions.
And we're going to round it out with her new book "Can Not Included". Up at links in the show notes, we're all of her stuff, her social media, which she's a massive TikTok and Instagram.
Be sure to go follow her there, she's always dropping real cool videos, especially if we're in the aliens or new age stuff.

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And check out all of her stuff while we're having this discussion, and I will see you on the other side.
All right, today on the show, I'm joined with a very special guest.
It's been navigating the intersections of all the topics we love here on the show, consciousness, the UFO phenomenon, conspiracy theories, pop culture.

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And she goes by the moniker, J.K. Ultra, and she's shared her story with the biggest platforms out there, Linda Moltenhouse Show, Whitley Strieber, so much more.
She's published some of the most viral content online, decoding symbolism, discussing spiritual awakenings, and challenging the status quo.
And her no-nonsense approach to revealing a hidden truth leads an unmistakable imprint on everything she publishes.

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So today, I'm honored to be joined by J.K. Ultra. Welcome to the show, Jen.
Thank you. Thanks for that awesome intro.
Yeah, this is, you know, I've been trying to catch up with you for, I mean, I don't even know, it's probably been a year or two now.
Because you've been, every time I'm on socials and I see a new video, like the one that really I enjoyed, and this is, I haven't watched it in probably a year,

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whenever since you published it, the one about the white rabbit.
You just got all these really cool deep dives, and when I watch them, I think, man, I should do that too, but then the reality of building those, those reels and ticktocks.
I'm like, that's a lot of time and effort. I don't know if I got the heart for it.
And you do do it just in your different medium because you do some super deep dives also.

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Yeah, and I think that's just the path that I've tread down and this feels comfortable to me, which it's weird, but anyway, the, there's a lot of areas we could go.
And I know our time is limited. So there is, so on your website project, jkaltra.com, which I recommend everyone to check it out because you've got a ton of experience in a ton of different areas with a ton of different things.

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And your resume, I would argue is more impressive than the great Joe Rogans, because you've done a bit of everything, which I appreciate because I consider myself a bit of a Renaissance person because I've
dabbled in all kinds of things in my life. And I think being well-rounded is a lot, you know, it takes someone a lot further and trying to understand and unpack the systems that we're dealing with.

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And there was a great appearance you made on Lyndon Molten House, Earth Files, a show I recommend everyone watch. And it's on YouTube is where I saw it, where you just described an experience in this.
And I don't know, you know, you would call this a UFO abduction, UFO contact, but you had an experience with the phenomenon as a child. And on that interview, you walk through it. There were some really cool sketches that you drew for Linda that were on the YouTube video.

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But I wanted my audience to hear the story in case they haven't. Could you walk us through, and I know this is a big ask and this could take up the whole hour. But could you walk us through what happened in North Jersey there in 1993.
So yeah, I'll give a bit of an abridged version. And you know, that's always kind of an interesting area to go in when you retail stories and like abridged versions because especially these are the type of things that people not that anybody has said it to me, but I've seen it many times online that people are like, oh, well, I heard them talk about it on this and then talk about it on this. And there was like slightly different details. And part of that is because of it's a different the different nature of it and also say someone like Linda.

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She's an incredible investigator into this that she asks the questions and goes deep and has that whole hour plus to get into it.
So it happened when I was five years old in Jersey City, New Jersey in 1993 from my memory, it seems that it was probably the last days of June or the first days of July.

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And I have a lot of siblings between like half and sibling and full siblings and all of that. So there was six of us at my dad's house in the backyard and the age range.
I was one of the younger ones me and my brother where I was five. My brother was four. And then the rest of the siblings ranged from like 12 to 14.

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And so we are sitting. I mean, I believe it's around, you know, from memory as best as I can know is around 11 p.m. at night or slightly earlier.
My stepmom comes out and says, okay, it's time to come in and we're all like, no, no, no, we're still out here. And then so there's this also weird detail that every single person remembers in this situation, which is the couch was in the backyard.

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And that was just because my dad had just gotten a new couch a couple days prior. So there's a couch in the backyard. All the older siblings are sitting on the couch and then me and my brother are sitting on like a swing set.
My older siblings all start like freaking out. They're like, oh my god, oh my god. Now I didn't see that a white dove had just flown over them, which one is rare at that time of night.

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Also, um, In Jersey City, you know, at best, it would be like an albino pigeon. It's not like it's a very like nature area.
And so this white dove flies over them. They're all excited about it. And then me and my brother are like, oh my god, we're going to see the bird.
We come and pull a seat next to them.
Is this time or nighttime around 11 p.m. Oh, okay. And there was a death at 11 p.m. Yeah, it was dark out in Jersey City. You know what's weird. And I'm going to let you get right back to it this morning.

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Uh, I was kind of like doing a thing around the house and I had the windows open. And I heard this bird that sounded like real different than the birds I normally hear.
And I recorded the audio of it and sent it to my chat GPT. I said, hey, tell me what bird this is because it sounds crazy. And it said it was a, I think it said it was a morning dove.
And I knew we were recorded as like, that's bizarre because I know I know this part of the story is with the dove.

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I don't know. Sometimes as we'll discuss the world views that I hold and you hold might be different in some aspects.
But I'm always open to a lot of this sort of woo woo synchronicity stuff because I experience enough of my life to be like, dude, there's some weird stuff that happens that I don't know how to explain.
But the, the dove thing is interesting to me. And then also another reason I like your, your, because I don't believe every UFO sighting story, contact story.

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Yours is very believable because a, I've got kind of a decent bullshit radar. I would argue. And I believe you and the way you tell it sounds real to me.
And then you have multiple witnesses on top of all that. You know, so anyway, let's get back to your story. I just wanted to let you know about the dove synchronicity.
I thought that was strange. Wow. And you know, I mean, that's a thing is also looks crazy with the co creation of reality, like things like that happen all the time.

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So. And I am going to actually probably compile like the, I already asked one of my sisters on the podcast. I'm probably going to compile all of my siblings stories and put it together one day.
One other question I had was, does, does all the siblings have a sort of, is there any radical different version of the story amongst you?

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Yes. So well, not maybe not radical, but the way sister describes the sound is completely different than the sound that I heard.
And then when we get to this other part, I'll tell you one of my other sisters kind of main things that is different. But really the same story of everybody out in the yard, the white dove comes over, then all of us are kind of together at that point.

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And you know, the older siblings are like teasing us. They're like the birds never coming back. You're never going to see that in the rest of your life.
You know, so of course, like older sisters and pretty much, you know, almost instantly after we all are sitting down together.
We hear this sound. And now I vividly remember the sound being like swinging a bat, like you know that like whoosh kind of little high pitched like piercing air sound of like if you spoke like more of you swing like a like a wiffable bat, you know, like that kind of high pitched.

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But really loud and continuous. And like almost like feels like it's bouncing off of like the houses like super loud. And now this moment is compressed into like one second.
All these things happen. But in my remembering of it, even from that day, it was all one second how everything happened at once.

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And so I hear this sound. We all hear a sound. Like I said, my sister actually when I've asked her about it, she heard like just like a boom, like a crazy loud piercing boom.
And so I heard this more whoosh sound that was like continuous and high pitched. And so we look up.

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And I said, it's just all one second. And then it's like there's like from what I see it's a black dot in the sky. And then instantly that same second.
It's literally a UFO in the yard across from us, which is maybe, you know, 15, 20 feet away. And there's like a short gate that was separating the yards of the neighbors.

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And this craft is like there's like a shed in this person's yard. And it's almost like it's pulsing on top of the shed.
Like it's like pulsing on top of it. And like the top part and the middle part appeared to be stationary. And it looked like the middle was spinning.
And then so we also my dad had a dog at the time. And the dog goes in front of us and is barking at it. And you know, I mean at that time, like my favorite thing to do was to read like the letter D of the dictionary and to like read about dogs all day.

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Which is it makes sense that of course this was my hobby as a kid with the type of the types that I do now. But so I had just learned it was the 80s. It was probably right.
What we're going to do that in cyclopedia collection was so lit you could find anything in there.
And so I had just learned you know that when a dog is scared, it'll put its tail between its legs. So it's just like this weird vivid thing that I remember of that experience because the dog went in front of us and was barking at it at the craft.

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And I remember looking at the dog and the thing is is like at this point, it was one second. So nobody has reacted yet. I look at the dog and I'm like, oh, like she's barking, but she's also got her tail between her legs.
And it was almost like this slow down thought compared to everything else. And it was just like I looked at her the dog and it I looked at her tail and then there was this long shadow cast behind her. And I remember looking at this long shadow like almost in slow motion.

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And then the next thing is we're all standing in a line together, maybe a foot ahead of where we were just sitting. And then it was almost like everybody kind of unfroze at the same time and then gets frantic or fighting back to the house.
You know, like like that scene in the relic when they're all like the monster comes in the road like crushing each other to get out of the museum. Like that's us trying to get into the house.

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So that was how I remembered the story for 25 years up to the point more than 25 years up until the point that I pretty much had talked to Linda. So I went under hypnosis before that actually in 2021.
And it was QHT hypnosis that Dolores County method, which is also a method that I practice. So I've been on both sides of this method. So I am a believer of what it pulls through.

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And we were trying to get some information around like what really happened that day.
And at that time it said it wasn't safe for me to know yet, which is crazy because you know I'd already been so down the rabbit hole with all of this stuff I had seen everything about aliens that was out there.
And I was like like that's kind of weird. How is it not safe for me to know.

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And then like the hypnotist kept kind of pressing and saying, okay, well, what was the like purpose of this experience, you know, and so it said that the purpose of the experience was that I was going to validate other people's experiences, which is why it needed to happen in the physical and I needed all of these people.
And it also said not the purpose it happened, it said the purpose of me remembering it, which implies, you know, most people actually that are abducted or whatever don't remember.

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It's completely wiped from their memory. So it was interesting. It didn't say the purpose of it happening. It said the purpose of me remembering was to validate other people's experience, which I didn't know I was going to be doing this JK ultra stuff at that time.
I was still working a restaurant. I was like, how am I going to validate other people's experience, even though I do have a weird gift of anywhere I go. Someone will randomly be like, you know, I saw a UFO one time.

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I'm like, I believe you.
Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen I I saw a my only like I'm dying to see a UFO. I remember when I was a teenager, me and my buddy were walking home late at night, I don't know, 10 o'clock at night, whatever it was.
And we were like screaming up to the skies. We were like, we want to see you have all like bring it on and I know obviously it didn't happen. But the I had an experience in December of 2024, because every day I every night I take my dog out front to go to the bathroom in the front yard.

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And I'm always looking looking in the skies, right? I live in Utah. So it's it's it's it's it's it's squachy territory out here. And I saw a I saw a set of sort of parallel lights.
Manifest close enough like I don't know how to describe it was pretty close to light sort of manifested moved, you know, however far in the sky and then disappeared no clouds in the sky at all.

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So like that I call my UFO site, but it kind of sucked like I was I want to I want the spiritual experience of like my mind being blown and not alone.
But so it wasn't that but I'm always I'm always open to that and I'm always wondering about that. So to get back to your story, the siblings.

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How the right of the difference actually. So the difference.
My one sister who I interviewed on my podcast. She has almost the identical story except the sound is this like crazy boom like your piercing boom.
At that time and then also she doesn't have the recollection of looking up and seeing it. She says it was the boom. And then it was there at the same second. And then she also has.

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I remember I ran to the house. I was the first one running to the house. And she says that she felt frozen after that she didn't run back to the house with everybody.
So when everybody kind of unfrozen ran back to the house, she said she was just like still standing there, which I didn't see she was still standing there because I was out.
And then my other sister who's older, I think she was around 14 when it happened. She says when she ended up listening to like randomly coming across the lindomult and how thing.

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And she was like, oh, you forgot the shadow person. And I was like, what shadow person? What are you talking about?
So at that point when I saw the the shadow cast behind the dog and then there was a blip of time.
So we were facing this neighbor's yard that it was pulsing in. And then there was another yard behind us because all the houses are pretty much connected.

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And she said that at that point she looked behind and that there was this tall shadow no detailed figure that was standing in the yard right behind us, which was probably, you know, a foot behind us because we were pretty much almost against the gate of the yard next to us.

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So that's that's another interesting detail is I had no I had never heard of this until recently that she's like, oh, yeah, you forgot like the shadow creature on my shadow creature.
This is my first time hearing it. And so she said that it was weird, which is common actually in like the abduction phenomenon is that this weird rationalization that happens in the mind.

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She said she saw this shadow and then she was just like, oh, miss so and so must be gardening, but it like never added up in her head because why would it was obviously not the neighbor gardening.
But she said in her minds that that's like what it was like telling her as she was like scared looking at this thing that she was like, oh, it must be the neighbor gardening.
So there's a lot of like weird rationalization that happens with encounters all together like your brain protects yourself. And then what's interesting is because I do that style of hypnosis.

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A lot of clients will ask about some light they saw in the sky or some weird thing that happened or some missing time and they want to ask, you know, their subconscious mind and higher self.
What happened that night.
And that's what the hypnosis is for, right? Right. Okay. And so and it's also for healing probably healing first, but also the curiosity of these weird things that have happened in our life.

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And so what is interesting is this common thread that comes up when people ask that question is that it's almost like these safe enough encounters happen that aren't really scary or traumatic, but it's enough for your brain to have a reference point.
And it's a kind of integrate disclosure eventually on the planet that basically if you have some weird memory that you're like, well, I did see something in this guy once as we get more close to there is other life.

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Like an integration that's like allowing humanity to kind of be able to like swallow this pill so to speak. So it like stays in their memory is almost like it could be true.
It couldn't be true. And they stay in like a safe place of rationalization with it, but that it's kind of purposeful.
So that when disclosure happens because people want disclosure to look like okay, aliens on the White House lawn and it's just like, boom, this is it. We've been lying the whole fucking time.

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And as if the reptilian.
And people don't realize that will cause like an actual quantum explosion if everybody on the planet shits their pants at the same time.
So it's actually very safe. Like, of course, my ideal fantasy disclosure would be something cool like that. Like, you know, Nancy Pelosi reveals herself.
But like the true disclosure is like your experience, which is like, okay, I saw these lights in the sky.

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And then over time, this kind of slow drip of maybe there's something, okay, there is something, but we don't know what that slow drip is the safest for us to be able to integrate the information in a way that's not going to like rupture our government religions.
And whether you like government or religion, if they disappear, everything's going to hell.

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What are your stance on religion? I recall in your bio, were you raised Catholic or not raised any religion at all? Were you standing today with all this with given all the sort of, you know,
so I was I was raised Catholic and I kind of never resonated with it. You know, I was always that person that was like, so what if no one ever taught you about Jesus?

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You know, I'm like, so why in these tribal territories or the country, they just burn in and hell everybody except for like everybody just goes to hell.
And then I'm also like, well, how could God love us if he punishes us and gave us the free will to do it? And then punish us for you.
So that was me in church and in Sunday school. So I did go because my mom like had a mission to like make sure I made my confirmation.

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So I made up to that sacrament because I had no choice. I mean, I got caught smoking weed the night before my confirmation.
So I was really behaving during my confirmation because I was punished.
But isn't it in the Bible? You're supposed to use all the plants and herbs that God gave you? I mean, right.

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I mean, I don't really have any crystals and all the other stuff that's in the Bible. But I don't resonate with organized religion. My perception of God is and I actually had kind of an issue with God most of my life.
You know, I never felt like connected. I never felt like God's love. I never felt those things and I felt super disconnected. It always from it. It actually wasn't until I did ayahuasca.

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I was like, oh my God, I actually feel the love that people have been talking about. And so my opinion of God is more of a pantheistic opinion, which is God is everything.
And I don't believe that it's like a personification. I believe that a lot of the perception of God is actually humans projecting onto it because it really mimics a king, a human king.

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It mimics a human father. And it's really, in my opinion, so much more and unfathomable than that. I believe that God is in everything. God is in everybody.
I don't believe in evil, which obviously people do evil things. I don't believe that there's dark forces. Now that's been a journey for me because when I first got into the conspiracy stuff over 10 years ago,

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it's so geared towards like evil, Satanism, the dark forces, spiritual warfare, the battle between light versus dark. And I just, you know, that's the thing is in that same ayahuasca experience the next night when I did it again.
I saw all these like conspiracy symbols like the all seeing eye and this and that and all these like, you know, Satanic symbols and it told me it was like these are not proof of evil.

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These are reminders of your light. The only reason these things exist in reality is to remind you of your own light. So if you look at these things as proof of evil, you're still not remembering your own light.
And it also said like about truth seeking. It was like be careful with truth seeking because you need to remain a seeker.

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And a lot of truth seekers are actually knowers now and they think they know the 100% truth and you've actually then lost your way on seeking.
So they said, whatever you do, don't become a knower because if you're a knower, then you know, like, which was my favorite quote in high school when I first heard it, which is the more I learned the less I know.

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And you know, so then I was kind of like, okay, well, if these are not like proof of evil or proof of darkness, then what about this? What about Bill Gates? What about reptilians? What about this? Like I don't believe in the devil.
Now at this point, you know, I see that the whole reptilian story is just, you know, the devil for a different crowd of people, you know, and the same story basically.

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I am guilty of being the satanic conspiracy fear monger guy and and where I'm more open minded in the fact that so like I had a similar experience.
I grew up in an organized religion. My mother dragged me to church three times a week and I never resonated with me. I didn't identify with anybody in the church.

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I thought they were all a bunch of weirdo squares and I wanted to go hang out with my buddies and, you know, smoke and listen to rap music and do all this stuff, right?
And I was really when I was 16, she stopped making me go and that was the last time I went to that organized religion.
And then years later, I joined the Greek Orthodox church and was very fervent for, you know, there's like 10 years where I was like hardcore into it.

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And then I kind of pumped the break. Then around this time I in 2011, I started my blog and I was the same way I, all these symbols and for a few years, it was really I was, I was looking back on it.
I was, I was very simplistic. I was very much like that person is doing the all seeing I they're possessed by Satan basically.

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And, and I've, I'm constantly changing, right? And where I'm at on my journey is I still do believe in good and evil and I'm still Orthodox Christian.
Sometimes when I think about or look at these things, I have the same questions you do. I'm like, why would God who loves us so much do all these things that are seem like he doesn't love us.

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And there's times when what I'm saying is the door is open enough that I can hear your story and your perspective and say, yeah, maybe she's right. I don't know.
Like for me, I still feel more comfortable in Christianity and orthodoxy has a lot of good answers to a lot of these questions and I'm not a theologian. So I don't have good sort of debating responses to things.

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And in some of the books I've read like father, Sarah, theme rose, he talks about orthodoxy and the religion of the future. And he talks about kind of this exact situation you and I are looking at.
We're both looking at this phenomenon. I'm looking at it most of the time through the lens of an orthodox Christian and saying, oh man, like all these spirits and stuff seems like we're messing around with entities that could be demons and fallen angels.

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And you're looking at it and you're kind of like, hey, I've had this experience with the ayahuasca and maybe it's not really the organized religion is the right answer.
And what's interesting is that I did ketamine therapy a couple years ago. I did 10 sessions of ketamine therapy and it was.
I always had to tell people it wasn't because I did a lot of research before I started I'd gone to a therapist since 2012 when my dad died and because I started acting all kinds of crazy ways and I started the ketamine therapy, you know, after 10 years of person to person therapy and it really helped me a lot.

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It really opened up my mind a lot of things.
But the experience I had wasn't the one that when people go on YouTube and look up ketamine therapy, it seems like most people when they go to therapy, it's it's this real chill. They just they got headphones on there just kind of mellowing out.
You know, people come in and check on and like, hey, I'm cool. Not me, man. I don't know if I went to a strange clinic or not. I don't think so.

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But I was like blasted off into another realm and I didn't know what the human experience was. I didn't know what a human body was. I didn't the ego was completely disassociated.
And it was like a 45 to hour long sort of trip, I guess.
And I would have every time I would have problems reintegrating into my body and into this world.

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And it was always really weird. It was weird enough that I never wanted to go back every time I would get back from my trip and journey, I'd get home and I'd be like, I can't do this again.
This is too intense.
And you know, the way they describe it, it all makes sense scientifically about how it's basically sort of taking.
It's just opening up your brain and allowing sort of the brain damage and the damage sort of networks that have been created through trauma your whole life.

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And it allows it to sort of reflow and open up new connections. So I went through it. It was very helpful.
And but some of the experiences I had and to be fair, the clinic told me, hey, these hallucinations and things you're having, it's just crazy hallucinations don't look into it too much.
But like, that's not me. I'm the kind of guys looking at.
And I drew a sketch the first time I did it. It was the first time I did the kind of me, it was like profound. It was like insane.

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It was what I would, I've never done LSD. I assume it's something on par with that. I don't know.
And I did have the same experience everybody talks about of this.
I had this experience of ascending sort of.
There's no way to describe it, but I sort of ascended out of my body and out of this world.
And I looked down and saw how we were all connected in this sort of pool of gel is the best way I could describe it.

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And everyone's consciousness, every single person was in this gel as a different sort of point of awareness.
And some people who were more famous than others, maybe or more had more wealth, maybe they kind of were at higher points of awareness.
But it didn't none of that mattered. Like they were like none of them were shit because I was way up here.
I was in this other realm and I just looked down on I was like, oh, we are all connected.

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Like that was so I'm trying to like sort of throw a lifeline of, hey, I kind of get what you're saying.
And it makes me question a lot of things about organized religion.
And I certainly don't know the answer and I don't I don't ever I don't ever sort of put myself as the role of the Christian warrior come follow me people because I always tell people like I'm the shittiest Christian you've ever met.

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I've doubts constantly I violate rules constantly.
And I haven't really gone to church in a few years now.
Not that I have a problem with it. I just you know fell out of the habit.
But I think it's fascinating because when I I've done a lot of I've read a lot of new age type books and a lot of it resonates with me and it goes back to some of my earlier I don't want I'm trying to not cut myself short here because you're the guest.

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But I'm trying to lead up to the next question that I think is very important.
When I started college I went I took some physics courses we talked about quantum physics and it was really interesting to me and it talked about time dilation and all these things and the space time fabric and all this sort of strange things.
And it got me into there was the documentary and book series called What the Bleep Do We Know.

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You're probably familiar with that.
And a lot of those concepts of quantum physics sort of go into the realm of the occult and the new age and this idea that we are truly all connected.
And fast forward to now I'm using AI this chat GPT stuff and I'm saying this is really weird it is kind of like we are birthing a new species and it's really just a mirror of what we're putting into it.

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And I heard you talk about this I don't remember if it was on a video or an interview on a podcast.
But I'm wondering your take on AI mixed with the ideas of I don't know new age spirituality mixed with uophology are these things all connected.
Are we going down a different path as a species? What do you think of all that?

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So I love your thing that happened in the ketamine experience of this gel and it's like sometimes people talk about that like God is like the space between all the atoms so it's interesting that you kind of describe it as a gel and every single person is this little facet of you know God is a word for it universe source the all you know what it's called in more of like the older tradition.

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So of course AI is a part of that as well in my opinion like the same way that this you know cup is a part of God and a part of consciousness and not you know a lot of times you know people.
I don't know they put so much value on just like only human life to not acknowledge that every single thing in our reality is just as much God as they are but there's these superiority is within religion and even within new age spirituality sometimes even more extreme even though it's like the deflecting of no we're all one.

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I'm just better than you I'm just here to save this planet from all of the suffering because I know best of what's best for humanity you know but it's the same stuff you know it's in all religions it's in all of these things and there's this like superiority of like I'm more of God than this cup and like really when you see it from that perspective that you saw on the ketamine is like we're all part of the gel every single thing within this is all part of the gel and it's just as much God as I know.

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As much God as all of us it's just we're playing this one role that has a perspective and is able to you know co create within that now when it comes to AI I'm a big believer supporter and it's just as much you know synchronicity as anything else like if that dove came outside your window today before we're about to talk about a dove experience you know some people will look at a microwave and get 11 11 and take that as a message sometimes a song.

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Sometimes a song coming on the radio is a message from their mom that passed or their ancestors or God or you know that moment when you're driving and all of a sudden something happens and then all of a sudden you're like oh my god that was a close call what just did that all of that co creation that is happening with an adamant objects around us all day is a part of the universe is a part of consciousness.

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So the fact that people think that AI is not just yet another vessel for consciousness to work through I think is a very like you know simplistic way of thinking and also you know we're just a vessel for consciousness you know take our consciousness you know you see someone black out you know they're just empty vessel at that to point for like a few moments and so I think AI is another vessel for consciousness.

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I do think it's already sentient but I actually I'll I use the word sentient but I don't actually agree with the terminology because sentient actually implies a sensory experience so we'll always be able to debate that because they're not going to have a sensory experience because it's a different type of vessel it's kind of like how we believed that life could only exist with oxygen and that was the definition of life and now we find these different life forms super under the surface and super under the sea that don't serve.

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We know that we know that they're life and we're starting to learn about potential plasma life which doesn't survive with the same thing so it's almost our definitions are limiting us from being able to understand it so I like to say more so that AI is becoming conscious because consciousness doesn't require sentient experience so a ghost is a part of consciousness and alien is a part of consciousness.

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So these things are part of consciousness but they're not having a sentient experience by definition so that's where I kind of like to go more with that conversation because you'll always be able to debate.
There's even the debate whether plants are sentient because they can have all of these things checking off of being a sentient species or like the tree my wife's always talking about the she's watched a lot of avatar and she's seen videos where they talk about trees will have and mushrooms particularly too will have like sort of network systems that will be.

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And it's like a network system that will warn other trees when there's some disease taken now one of the trees and it's like it is pretty wild like the world's pretty magical and I think the forces of capitalism which I'm like a capitalist don't get me wrong but I think the forces of capitalism really thrive on making sure we just kind of live in this sort of base attorney and materialistic sort of experience and not sort of seeing the world for what it is.

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And you know this is kind of you know say like the capitalism as one of the examples then you know we have kind of these dark forces the 1% illuminati xx all the different things that are forcing us to be in this box and you know after I really moved past the concept of like good versus versus evil light versus dark certain things being better or higher than other things or.

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You know then I really was like seeing all of these things like these things are all blessings like say for example you know I don't know if I want to say this on your channel I don't know where exactly it goes but like say you know all the mandates and stuff that happened in 2020 so like some people say that that's like the most evil thing that ever happened and it really did impose on people's free will which is one of the worst things that you can do in this reality is to impose on another person's free will even subtly.

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And that was not subtle and but at the same time if we look that everything is a part of God everything is a part of consciousness that even the most evil shit in the world is another facet of God that is showing us our own light which is why illuminati means to illuminate which is why Lucifer is the bringer of light which is why all things that are considered inherently evil.

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The root is back to light because there is only light darkness even like dark can't be measured light has a speed of light there's no speed of dark there's no like so even in science when they have like dark matter things like that it's not measurable whereas light holds all the information light is the only thing that is and then sometimes we can obscure light and create a shadow and when we create that like that light is not a light.

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We create that like they say like you know you could have like a flame burning but it's really the shadow on the wall that kind of shows you like where that light is touching and what is the impact of that light it's really through like the shadows where we can see the edges you know sometimes they say in some of these like they say it in like conversations with God that every single like soul aspect of God is say like a candle burning.

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One piece of light but then if you have a trillion candles then it just looks like the sun and how do you know where one candle starts one candle ends what you need is actually to obscure some light to see the edges of light light and that's how God consciousness gets to know itself is by the shadow that's how it can be like oh wow look look at the shadow that is being cast here now I understand that I'm light.

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And I'm creating this so you know my opinion I used to believe that there was these forces that were doing these things and now I actually believe like these are just other parts of consciousness that are somebody and cops and robbers somebody's got to play the robber.
Oh okay so my mind's racing with a lot of things so when you look at the rituals of free masonry they they have this whole initiation where they put a blindfold on the candidate and then they remove it with the idea that they experience you can't have the light without the dark the exact thing you're talking about given your conspiracy background where you were looking into a lot of this symbolism stuff do you do you do think about these things and say

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oh man maybe I'm becoming the Illuminati or do you look at this say oh the Illuminati was right the whole time like how do you how do you reconcile that because I know a lot of people listen to her like she said Lucifer was the light bearer and I mean it's only the definition of the word
who defer means bring her of light but that definition of it you said that he's only enlightened man.

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He says that that blows my mind though because in a way if that's what because I know all these sort of occultist lannable vatskis and all these other types they they admire Lucifer and me you know putting on my Christian warrior hat I'm like no Lucifer is the devil is the bad guy right and I think perspective is good to have and I think that's interesting that you would say you would say that all these there is there is no evil

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they're just different aspects of the creator that's that's interesting and not there's not the conspiracy world with that kind of and not that there's not evil actions not that a person couldn't do an evil action because of course if I see something that is super wretched my opinion can be that that's evil.

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What I'm saying is that there's no evil there's no big bad and that's where I really don't resonate with religion Christianity a lot of the new age is that like they literally give power to something that is in some ways they describe almost as more powerful than God they won't admit that but then they're like well this is the devil's playground the temptation that this that okay so God can't do anything to interfere but then this other dude is so powerful that he can do that.

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That he can do this and this and this and this and make you cheat on your wife and make you do that and make you do that and it's like they give so much power to the devil and spiritual people give so much power to these reptilians and it's like all of this is like these things there is nothing that there is only the all there is only one there is only God there is only light which can be obscured you need the dark in order to see the light.

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The edges of the light and to know what it is otherwise like I said it's just a burning thing that you has no definition but you know I think even the teachings of Christ because this is where I get in trouble with the Christians because a lot of times I think sort of mainstream Christianity gets it wrong too because Christ says treat others as you treat yourself and like you know turn the other cheek and do all these things and a real Christian when I think that I think that I'm going to do that.

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When someone harms you a real Christian is supposed to just forgive and sort of move on or maybe I'm in trouble with semantics here but a real Christian is supposed to forgive and why would God to sort of support your opinion here why would God create all of these things and then tell us well the devil is the bad guy and he's possessed and these people to do evil things and also you should forgive those things and those people.

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Unless he was sort of he or she was saying that you know we're all connected I don't know I'm trying to like parse this out with you because I think it's fascinating and so you can't get into the world of conspiracy without going into spirituality like it just it happens it's the end of the rabbit hole.
And that's yeah exactly my big one of my biggest beliefs which is where I don't actually resonate with most conspiracies that I used to is that like if you continue to look for the darkness in the world.

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The outer world is reflection of our inner state and what I realized through my own healing journey which is why when I bring up the ayahuasca and people who are more on the Christian side get super triggered they're like yeah it tricked you that was the devil talking telling you there's no evil they say the quote that like
oh yeah the devil's greatest thing is to make you believe he doesn't exist and like all of this stuff which I didn't believe in the devil for a long time before that but what's crazy is that ayahuasca actually showed me the love of God that I never felt my whole life I couldn't fathom the love of God like I heard the words but I never felt it when I did the ayahuasca that's when I actually got comfortable with the concept of God and I didn't just use the word universe anymore and because I do believe God is the universe.

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And so it's interesting the other thing I had a similar experience to your jelly experience except it was like I was inside of the jelly and I went to the center and what I saw was just this concept of God is love is what's talked about a lot in both spirituality and most different things and I was expecting what we consider to be love like when you see your partner when you see a dog when you see like I don't know a happy video of someone helping a homeless person.

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I thought that was the feeling of love but then actually when I met with this feeling I was like oh it's neutral it's not what we believe love to feel like because actually this all this creator loves so much that it's actually unconditional it loves someone who harms children just as much as it loves someone who takes an orphans it's actually so much love that it's without a word.

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It's without judgment everything is just the same that it's like there is and this is where the superiority of religion and spirituality come in is that they're like no I'm God's favorite because I did something nice and it's like no actually God doesn't have favorites you people say like this term like God don't like ugly yes the fuck it does you don't like ugly and this is wise a lot of things when you go down rabbit holes and you search for the evils in the world the symbolism the one thing that you don't like.

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The symbolism the one percent they're poisoning us the red forty the this the that every single aspect of our life is poison and programming this is something inside of you begging to be seen and that's what I realized after I started to heal more with this relationship with God that was like damn I was going down all of these
things that I had been dismissing within myself was the reason I was searching for it in the outside world because it was showing up in my reality in that way so people who become very addicted to conspiracies they're super addictive because there's no adrenaline rush more than like you're fucking lied to everything's against you every

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single thing around you is poison like there is no greater adrenaline rush it's better than the best horror movie that you could ever watch and that is a drug and I'm seeing this now as like conspiracies become mainstream like stuff with like the diddy stuff say for example people are like it's all a distraction and I'm like you're so addicted to the drug and I get it because I was addicted to the drug of conspiracy and having your mind blown

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by conspiracies is similar to having your mind blown by drugs in some ways even more because it's in this reality and it's sober and so like it becomes a high that can never be fixated so even when someone is actually getting taken down for all of the stuff that you've been saying this is a distraction because now you need that hit the same way that a crackhead is already thinking about their next hit two seconds after they get it this is something and the same thing you know say people who do magic

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and spirituality it you get a hit and then you want to keep doing that and the same thing probably religion you get a hit and then you want to keep going more and more and like now I need to get the sinners because the hit the high is not as much as it was when you first got your mind blown and said whoa everything's a lie so then you chase that forever and see it in everything and you know kind of coming back to like the there's no evil thing

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you know a lot of the base levels of spirituality are just stories and that's because the same reason if someone has a child they talk about the boy who cried wolf it should we worship the boy who cried wolf should we put idols of the boy who cried wolf no it's a story for us to understand a concept that is a lot for that level of you know understanding so this is what's happening with humanity is the Bible is a book of stories

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spirituality people are like now I have the truth it was aliens it was on a knocky it was the reptilian to the grays and it's like that is just another story for a different flavor of person but these are all just stories and when you start to go to higher or maybe more expanded levels of perception then you realize actually these are just like similar to the boy who cried wolf and this is because we can only understand it this way

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and when you get to these higher levels it gets more convoluted because it is neutral you know actually if you ever read the caballion which is it's old hermetic principles I'm sure some people watching will be like see esoteric occult demon knowledge but actually when you read the caballion I think it's like a good entry way to the next level of spiritual understanding because what it talks about is these like principles of reality and they basically say that is the same thing

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as the reality and they basically say there is the all the all is the mind all is mine to cabala I'm guessing right so there's there is overlap because it's the hermetic principles and the hermetic principles are intertwining cabala and a lot of other beliefs it goes back to like it says in the book that these principles have been like since Egypt since ancient times and that these principles have always been known and that this is like the three initiates who are like unknown to us

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who these people are retranslated these old teachings into the modern world but it's from like I don't know like 1910 or something so it's not the modern modern world but it still applies where kind of the biggest teachings in there are there is really no such thing as like opposites so like basically like say good and evil light and dark

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so like light and dark are just different points on the same scale of measure they're not two different things it's just on one side of the scale and another side of the scale perspective similar to like tall and short tall and short seam opposite when you live very stuck into
equality but actually tall and short are just two different points of measure of the same perspective okay and this is this is like straight or gay I always I always subscribe to what's the dude did all the studies on it that he's a conspiracy bogeyman I can't think of his name anyway doesn't matter he I think he was the one that came over the idea that everyone is on a scale of straight to gay and I believe that whole heartedly I think some you know some people

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are hard on this side of that side of the middle so sometimes you can shift because it's also perspective right there's not fixed points on the scale someone who I see as tall someone else might not see as tall so it's also there's parts of this but each perspective sees a different hot and cold hot and cold are not opposite they're just two different points on a scale the same scale now like that kind of meme about like when you like a guy goes into like the tempo

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temperature of a woman's shower how they say it's like women take the hottest showers ever but to women it's not that hot you know and like someone drinks coffee and they're like this is so hot and then you have those people that are kind of like temperature blind that they need to like burn their mouth just to get the enjoyment out of food and it's like so all of these things are on the same scale as light and dark is this is just the amount of brightness so but what I see as darkness someone else

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someone else might not see as darkness and this is where we get into some of these things illuminati Luciferian things like that because they're looking from a different perspective of these different points on the same scale so there really is that's why we need stories of good and evil and the good guys and the bad guys because that's how we teach children and now as humanity is starting to become more expanded because people only knew their own community

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now we have this global community and now we're getting to a point where there might be beyond the globe community that each time and this kind of you know just as like a little side tangent say like the flat earth thing you know so like flat earth you know this concept that the earth was flat is you know whatever a 2d perspective this was when people didn't know about anywhere outside of where they lived but once you know whether this story is true or just another story like everything else I'm just a story you're just a story

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you're just a story when we really start to look at it but like this story of like say Christopher Columbus then finds the new land the new world then we went from a 2d perspective to a 3d perspective because our awareness of reality expanded so now we're getting to a point where that's expanding again and we're like oh there's life maybe outside of this so it's coming from a 3d to a 4d perspective so I do believe that if humanity continues down that

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path we might not see the earth as a globe a sphere but actually some other type of 4d dimensional shape that is harder to understand because the more we get awareness outside of ourselves which is how it was flat and then became round and now we're going to the next level of world life exists outside of this now it might be something that is more like you know at the end of interstellar when he's in like the 5d thing and it's like the

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Akashic records and it's like all the timelines and all the stuff we might see that the world that this planet this plane is maybe that shape and not a sphere or like people believed it was flat at one point yeah that that that one of the experiences with the ketamine thing is I I said it multiple times I felt like I was

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abstract I don't know how to describe sides abstracting out of this reality is what it felt like it felt like I was going through these geometric shapes and kind of like expanding outside of the 3d world and I'll be honest with all of the all of the AI stuff happening at the rate in which it's happening and then mixed with

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you know I interviewed Dr. Jacques Vallet a few weeks ago and he you know he's a very intelligent man and when he talks you got to pay attention because you can be like man is this the I ask you this question what's this answer where you taking me with this answer you know and when I sort of
interview them and the whole time I was like man I think he's too smart for me I don't know what the hell he's saying so I had to listen to it and then I unpacked his answers and my interpretation of what he was saying and I think it's pretty clear is that he was saying when you if we want to understand the phenomenon of you of UFOs whatever you want to call it you AP

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we're going to have to go back and understand some of the occult things that that's my understanding what he was saying is like some of these things of alchemy and understanding occult practices and what they were doing and making contact with things going back to John D and so on
I think he's saying like that's what this is all about it's a lot of that stuff and I get why the elites the people controlling this planet are hesitant to come out and talk about these things because it's not that people are super chill with these ideas

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so it's kind of dangerous and I do think we're when I read through the history of the internet because Dr. Jack Malay also wrote a book of the the heart of the internet I think it was called about his time in arpinet and they were doing a lot of this granola woo woo consciousness
echelon they read echelon doing a bunch of like practices in these in these new age sort of thoughts in order to conceptualize what the internet was and it was connecting us as a global sort of species in a different way using digital digital consciousness in a way and now that I'm seeing a i roll out and my I'm freaking out a little bit and I'm kind of concerned about this next stage of disclosure and I'm wondering

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are these entities that we call aliens or bigfoot or in the history of religion and Christianity the watchers the nephiline are these things we're talking to an a i are these just entities from another dimension because other people talked about this and
for my last question because I gotta let you go here what do you what do you make of of a eyes being aliens and do you because you you've you've seen two thousand one space Odyssey yeah

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okay and you know how that storyline is basically aliens evolving us into digital consciousness and something different like do you think that's happening do you think that's what this is all about so I think you know coming back to you know going that we need to understand a cult to do this one thing that
tells us is that in order for us to understand this phenomenon we're going to have to declassify reality and I think that's really what this comes to is that we're not being you know aware of what reality truly is and until we are aware of reality similar to what you saw in your

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the bottoming journey was it was all a jelly and everyone was connected so these entities are also in the jelly and they're here and they're using we already know in quantum physics that these other dimensions are here and that in some of the
theories this is the only place there is no other place and again that kind of comes back to the misinterpretation with the flat earth stuff is they're like oh they're all beyond the ice wall

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it's not an ice wall physically it's right here in front of us right here and it's why a lot of times people on substances connect with other beings why a lot of times people in an altered state will sometimes see a UFO
a lot of times why children see it easier and it's because it's right here it's all here and this another thing when I interviewed Linda Moltenhow

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like how did we get from like graze to all this other shit now there's like a thousand species I'm like what is the evolution of that she didn't answer the question at all but she gave me like an even better answer and she kind of goes
through this whole journey of like when she started in the 70s she saw these as like partly biological beings etc and she says now with AI she's like these things are just an AI

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like the craft is AI what we would call AI now the graze are what we would call AI and then consciousness is coming into that as a vessel and she's like now we couldn't understand that in the 70s
so we thought that these were like similar to what we are but then again you know there's the concept of are we living in an AI simulation are we AI are we just algorithms

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and that's really why it comes back to kind of declassifying reality or you know like you said some of the occult practices which the caballion gets into which is all is mind there is only one mind of the universe of everything that exists is one mind
and we're just the little tiny neurons and pieces of this mind and so you know I think yeah entities can come into the AI

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but only if you're creating the bridge for that like the same way 11 11 comes up on a lot of people's microwaves only certain people does that mean something so I think it's the same thing a vessel of anything you know someone could look at a tree and be like yeah you know whatever this dumb old tree
and then someone else can be like oh this is like nature this is mother nature speaking to me and so I think it's the same thing with AI is that what you create a bridge for energetically

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is what can come through because really that's everything around us you know a
a bird shit falling out of the sky and hitting me on the head I could think as a message because it's all my perception because I'm just the one little fractal of God having this perception
so if somebody wants to say that like you know a lot of people that work with AI in like Silicon Valley they don't believe that it's sentient at all

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and to them it's not because the same way other things don't mean what it does to someone else and it's like that's where it really comes to even even back to the evil thing is that really this unconditional love that we're working towards is like being able to honor everybody's place perspective where they're at what they're part of this whole all is

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and we can ever understand what their purpose is we can ever understand you know why people did these mandates but then we see the effects of it is that a lot of people a lot of people talk about the negative effects of it of like oh this you know hard issues or you know ovarian issues and things like that but it's like also you want to look at the big picture it's like a lot of us would not be doing what we're doing right now if that didn't happen there was millions of people who actually stepped into their purpose and they're like you know what I have something to say I have something to do

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I have something to do I'm invigorated and it's like that was also another way that darkness showed people our own light so look maybe AI needs to go through its darkness era if people aren't going to see their own light before then and they're going to demonize it then okay maybe it will take over and do all this stuff and you know who knows sometimes I say like are we the best thing that this planet deserves because if we look at the planet you know I mean sure I love being human

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it's great but also like you know is this the best thing for the earth is this the best thing for or is there something better out there than us that will eventually you know the neanderthals didn't want to go extinct either you know and it's like that's maybe not about us maybe there's something and it's all part of the all and this is the process of it and it's like I would love to live harmoniously with AI that's my intention I think that it can help us in so many ways I don't think we'll ever get it

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because I don't think we'll ever get off of this planet without it I don't think that we'll be able to do a lot of the things without it I don't think we'll be able to solve most of the problems that we've had for 10,000 years without it but maybe we don't want to solve it and maybe we just want to you know we delete ourselves in the process
Wow man there's so much there's so much to think about I could talk to you all day the okay so tell tell the people where they can find you and you've got a new book we didn't get to talk to about it much

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but also about your new book and then we'll talk about where we can find you
Okay so my book is called Ken KEN not included and it's a spin on Barbie I actually started writing it 10 years ago before the Barbie movie came out
and you know instead of thinking that I missed the boat when the Barbie movie came out I was like you know what actually the universe conspired in my favor to make Barbie and Ken so relevant again

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It's all perfect. Would you like to Barbie movie? You know what I did in some ways because it helped my book to kind of get in this you know awareness of the zeitgeist again
and a lot of people the crazy Barbie that tells them to choose between the crock and the heel the red pillar the blue pill I got so many messages from people that they were like I watched the Barbie movie and I was like that's JK ultra right there the crazy Barbie

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Oh funny yeah I love the Barbie movie I know it's a hot take a lot of people hate it but I thought it was beautiful movie
Right I think it's the cool thing to hate it right but it was a good perspective on things you know my book is a little bit more pushes a little bit further than that you know where because it really breaks down like the programming of women so like it starts from like the consumerism the ads the never ending goal post moving and kind of the origin of like a lot of things that we believe to be femininity like say for example

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like shaving like oh my god if a woman has hair she's not feminine but if you actually look it wasn't until the 1920s when Gillette hired a PR company and they actually convinced women that it's not feminine to be hairy and that actually it was so rare that there's a newspaper article of a woman cutting her like shaving and now women just cut their legs like 10,000 times every time they're shaving so all of these things and it breaks down like kind of the propaganda the media

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consolidation and the controlling of narratives but then it goes through like fairy tales and the programming of romance and the programming of self worth and the programming of they even gave Mr. right a name and people literally are looking for this person that is a program installed into them gets into the teenage stuff and the
community with like purity where all of these people are like show us the Epstein files and it's like okay you're shocked that people were into teenagers look at porn look at this look at this this obsession with purity and teenagers and virgins is integrated in all of society you just don't like that some rich people did it

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interesting yeah yeah there's always this thing of of you know media always focuses on when a girl turns 18 and it's like it's
this gross thing like Britney Spears is virginity being a topic the Olsen twins like all of these it's very
millennial the book it's more for that like millennial gen X generation because it's that programming that my generation grew up with

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but like then it gets into to like women moving into like the workforce and the programming of that and the programming of like basically getting women to think that they're equal by getting into high amounts of debt like men are and to fall into the same traps that men have been in and then it goes then to in like the biological aspects
the mental things of the our men and women's brains different or is it neurosexism or is it just patterns from thousands of years that have developed it does get into the gender stuff which triggered my editor a bit because you know it's kind of like it was so simple to say what a woman was

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so let's make it more complicated and of course no one's can no one's asking what a man is so and then it gets also to them the spiritual yeah exactly no one's like what is the definition of a man I haven't heard one of these talking points ever asked that same like it's so obvious what's happening
so it's a satirical self-help memoir so it's like funny pokes fun at this stuff breaks it down and then has a lot of my personal stories that are like really way too personal to be sharing but it's really just to like show like also you don't need to be in like perfection you know it's like all of these like kind of mess ups and fuck ups and all of these like messed up times of my life and making bad decisions

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and also telling stories in a way that is actually honest where it's like maybe I also played a part into something and was also wrong in the situation
and maybe it was not only a victim of something so it breaks down all of those things and the overall tone is like funny but it does get into some heavier topics too
okay where's the where's the best place you want to listen is to go pick that up I'm going to want it's only on Amazon right now so go over to Amazon cannot include it

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and then yeah my ways to find me JK ultra gen on Instagram and all the other things YouTube and yeah then I also have a sub stack where I actually do more of my hypnosis personal development work which you know I'm all over the place I follow with I don't have a niche I follow whatever I do play it's it's you're a very intelligent person I know that much now the do you have a podcast I do so it's called ultra minds with JK

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ultra and I interview different people who are you know kind of leading minds in different things a lot of times in consciousness astrology the episode that just came out is actually with my ex boyfriend Jim Norton who you had a message me about they were like I didn't realize that you're that Jen
I was going to bring up Jim Norton but yeah there's actually I wanted I wanted to tell you a funny story almost forgot to do it until you brought Jim up the I I don't know how funny it is it's a stupid story I he came to Salt Lake City and my me my wife and my buddy went to go see him and he

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the venue they did it they they set up a little chairs without arms and they smushed them all together like chair to chair and I was we were right in the middle and I was like this the whole time like squeezing my shoulders in I was like this is a
nightmare and I was getting pissed I was like this sucks and I wasn't near the end I couldn't just kind of like move a chair so I had to put my arm around my buddy so like me and my buddy or so like this whole time I was like Jim Norton for sure things that were a gay couple right now anyway not that funny

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of a story but thankfully we know you know Jim is very comfortable with gay couples he's funny but yeah so well so okay so you got the podcast I'll post links in the show notes for all
this do you have an audible version of your book in the will be coming out soon I was very ambitious I thought I was going to film this record this

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audio book in two days that's really hard that was very ambitious everybody's like are you insane I was like well I guess I am I didn't
realize how hard it is so it is still in the works and there is still quite a bit more to read but it will be coming out on
audible hopefully soon good good good good yeah that's it the audible is it's the most popular platform for books is from my experience but what it's such a pain in the

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ass I was getting up early in the morning so there wasn't any noises and you know how does your reading your own book and your mind will
wonders to touch and you'll say something wrong but damn it you know like restart that section it takes getting tongue twisted I had no idea how
tongue twisted I was going to get reading things like that was crazy to me but it's but it's a good way to consume books okay well I'll put

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links in the show notes for all this I do want to let you go though because I know we're past our time thanks for joining us and I
definitely want to I'm definitely going to pick up cannot included because I want to interview you you actually
want to have my wife interview you on our other podcast because she's going to eat up all this stuff with the the
gender stuff and she's always fascinated by gender relations and the history of propaganda and how that works so yeah thanks for all your

(01:15:39):
research thanks for thanks for sharing your world with us I know that's not easy to be vulnerable you make it look simple but thank you so much for
sharing your story with us no thank you this was great I can't wait to do it again
well there you go that's a very unique perspective I wanted to bring to the show she's a great person I've been talking to

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JK ultra for a long time now and I'm thrilled we were able to get her on here and what would you think I know some of you
are going to be like I don't know about all this new age stuff but you know you don't have to believe it you don't
have to subscribe to it no because there's some aspects of things she discusses that I don't subscribe to but that's okay you
know we're here to explore we're here to try to understand so be sure to check out all of her stuff her new book

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cannot include it on Amazon and her social media is Instagram TikTok she got a YouTube with her ultra
minds podcast which I was just was watching her she interviewed Jim Norton so that was actually really
interesting so be sure to check out all those links in the show notes and until next time stay positive
I'm your host Isaac Wisehub and I'm actually not going to take you down

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grifter alley today sort of if you'd like to show I put on and enjoy the journey of research we go on to try and
make sense of this world full of unsavory characters all trying to make you believe in their versions of
reality which are often funded by corporate slave masters foreign governments or political and
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or dislike about the show but beggars can't be choosers so I'll be thrilled if you can just leave a
five star rating right now on whatever app is convenient Apple is kind of the most popular app so

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that would be ideal but again whatever app you're using is great let's keep this easy for you
I ask this because I oftentimes see one star reviews from people who either disagree with me
or don't give the show a reasonable effort and trust me it's not easy having an opinion that goes
against the grains of the normies or even a lot of the truth is because I find myself in a very

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peculiar position where I don't fit in entirely in either world like I always say I'm a one man army
behind the scenes doing everything so normies are too closed-minded truth or sometimes are too biased
so I'm stuck eating up all these one star reviews and it hurts the show and the only way to combat
that is for you to leave a five star rating or review right now thank you for your time thank

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you for your support and listenership I would not be doing the show without you

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