Occult World 1947 Part 1: Roswell, Enoch, UFOs & The Cold War w/ Joel Thomas!

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What happens when two of the greatest occult podcasters join forces to talk about how 1947 shaped our entire world through occult forces?

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You're about to find out.
It's up everybody.
Your boy Isaac Wisehap with an intro to the intro, which you know, that means it's a special episode.
That's right.
We've got Joel Thomas from Free the Rabbits podcast and I joining forces to begin our journey.
And I demand you join us.

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I'm not asking.
I'm demanding you have to listen to these two episodes.
We're doing today's part one.
We're going to do a two part special series that we worked very diligently on.
And it's going to be on the occult history behind the year 1947.
I know immediately everyone's going to think of Roswell, which we will of course cover.
But there's actually a ton more involved with this.

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1947 was the beginning of a new age and it seems like nobody really talks about it.
My man Joel hit me up was like, bro, we need to unpack this thing.
And next thing I know I was like, dude, you were right on the money about this thing.
So these, this is a two part special series.
It's going to be posted on Free the Rabbits podcast as well as a cult symbolism and pop culture podcast, a swap cast if you will.

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So check it out.
Nobody was talking about these subjects until today.
And we're going to unpack all of it.
So also real quick before we start part one, two housekeeping's all right.
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We've worked together in the past several times.
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What's good guys, we are back with another episode of Free the Rabbits and this is actually a swap cast with Isaac Wisehop from a cult symbolism and pop culture and most of the guys here at Free the Rabbits know who you are, if they don't, they're living in a rock.
But we worked together several times. The last thing we did together was the Inokian download on the confessionals was to end it up being a swap cast on all the platforms, which was an absolute blast to do.

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Just to really go down that rabbit hole of the actual download that a cultists are having and on the adverse side I even suggested that people are connected to God are also having this download too, but you brought some great information that Isaac, if you can't let everybody know who you are and again, that's if they're living under a rock.
Oh, you're too kind, thanks Joel. Now, when I told my people I was going to be recording a show, I didn't tell them what it was about, I told them I was going to be doing a show with Joel Thomas and I got so much great feedback so I want to let you know that my people know who Joel Thomas is too.

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So it's one big happy family as far as I'm concerned, but if someone doesn't know who I am, my name is Isaac Wisehop, that's a pseudonym, not really my name, I'm not related to the founder of the Bavarian Illuminati.
But I started getting into these subjects in 2011, I started a blog called IlluminatiWatcher.com, then I started writing books, then I started podcasting in 2014, YouTube channels, the works, right, and I've been doing that ever since and it's been a really wacky wild journey of kind of being guests on like I got to be on coast to coast, I am, you know, of course your show, confessionals and I was just on history channel for Don explain with William Shatner.

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So it's been a crazy journey because back when I started this in 2011, that wasn't really a thing people did, they weren't really content creators as a sort of job.
So it's been really weird for me and it's been a real honor that I can sort of present some of these topics because I'm learning just as everybody else is about these topics of the occult and how it shows up in our pop culture and movies and television.

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And you're doing a ton of great research, you're one of the, you're at the top of the list as far as like researchers go because you go deep into some of this call literature and it's always fascinating to me to talk to people like you because you pulled out some really crazy stuff that I always kind of like can add to my bank of knowledge, which as you know, just you never get to the bottom of the rabbit hole, it's just it's just builds and builds and builds and then you get to a certain point where when you talk most people don't know what the heck you're talking about or who you're talking about.

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So you have to kind of balance this thing of presenting the information in a digestible way versus going deep into these magical textbooks and things like this.
But yeah, when you when you got to hold me, I was I was real excited because this topic that you chose is a phenomenal idea.
So thanks for letting me join you on this journey here.

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Yeah, thanks, man, I had this idea probably six, seven months ago and then I was knocking it around and I said, man, Isaac will be great to do this. If he's down to do like a two part or we can really touch on a lot of what happened during this year and real quick before we get started.
Isaac in a lot of my audience knows is in a documentary series that we have coming out next year called Crowley's Melon has children of the beast and it actually expanded from one film to a four part series because it's so in depth.

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And we wanted to be able to touch on all the different places we went to and touch on all the research that all the researchers brought to the table and really connect this weird thread that Crowley has while using the states.
And it's going to be phenomenal and I'm excited for everybody see it but Isaac's a huge part of this so he's going to be in it throughout so everybody's going to have a blast with that too.
Yeah, I can't wait for that. That's going to be cool.

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Yeah, for sure.
So for everybody that may or is guessing what it is obviously they've seen the title a cult world 1947 is a crazy year.
Isaac it's a really weird year for a lot of stuff not only geopolitically but in the occult when we're talking about the introduction of quote unquote space aliens and extra terrestrial craft and just all of these different things that

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if you look at it from just a mainstream point of view they're not really connected but then you really look at it at its root core there seems to be a lot of things interlay between all of these different ideas that you can pull out and say man this just seems like it was a super pivotal year that
it's not only the US but the world going forward and a lot of these occultist were a part of it some of them were predicting it beforehand some of them were kind of a product of afterwards as well so I think it'll be real interesting to go through this together and Isaac and I are going to go with different topics and we're going to bounce them back and forth as we go just so people know

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obviously I'm sure that he'll have things to add on some of the things I've researched and I have some things to add to some of the things you've researched to but I think it's going to be really great and I think that you had suggested start and go ahead and start with the book of the knock and the comron caves and the desi scrolls and all of that being found and I think that this is

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where it starts to me in the sense of the spiritual aspect of where everything else goes and I find it fascinating that this particular document and there's thousands of fragments that were found from it of multiple copies of the book at you knock that were found in the comron caves but it's interesting because it's looked at as an apocryphal text and there are some reason I think that it should stay apocryphal in my opinion but again that's a different argument for a different day but I do think that

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the text holds a ton of weight and I think that when we look at its connection to the modern day UFO you follow you movement and what's going on with some of these entities or as now they're calling in congressional hearings interdimensional beings I think it kind of all ties together and obviously we're going to touch on a roswell and some of these other UFO sightings during 1947 but the book at you knock is

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a book that is connected to the patriarch Enoch now there's two Enoch's in the Bible there is an Enoch who comes from Seth's line of Adam and he trickles down to the seventh line of that and he's right before Mthusola and Lemekin Noah then you have an evil Enoch who was the son of Cain and that's a holder from the discussion around about the doing episode on the evil Enoch and he's a whole other beast and he's connected to these Nephilim and all these different events and

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all these different bloodlines down to the other love mech on the other side who is the father of tubal cane and I'm sure you're very familiar tubal cane connected to free masonry so all these biblical names are tied together but just so people understand this Enoch is is the good Enoch and in the source material its origins expounds upon the origins of demons and the Nephilim and these fallen angels coming down these watchers who

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are trying to recreate with the women and there's some disparity on how exactly that goes down and I'm open to all ideas because I'm not going to sit here and say that I understand that completely how that goes but what seems to be is these fathers handed over their daughters to these watchers to have access to technology now I know that sounds very familiar to a lot of things going on today especially all the way back to the 1940s

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and the 2007 which we will talk about rise well but I believe that in that format that that was the access they needed to get to these women to impregnate them now how they did that we don't know some people think it could be some sort of DNA splicing that was involved with that some people think it could be an actual union that happened there's several different ideas some people think the women wanted them there's a good many verses that could allude to that too or could be that they were actually taken as well so

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the interesting part about the stories out of the book of Enoch also there's two other books of Enoch and I plan on doing a series at some point about those those are very different by the way then this first book of Enoch the first book of Enoch is actually talked about in the Bible which I think is why it holds so much weight in what it means to the Christian and just people who research it as well because we do know in Jude one 14 through 15

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and so that it says in Enoch also the seventh from Adam prophesied of these saying behold the Lord come with tens of thousands of saints to execute judgment upon all to convict all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and if their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him
and we know that if we compare it to Enoch one nine it actually almost identically mirrors that behold he come with with 10,000 of saints to execute judgment upon all to destroy all the ungodly and to convict all flesh of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him

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and we also know from Hebrews 11 5 that it says by faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death and towards the end of the verse it says before his translation which if we know how Enoch left his earth he didn't die he basically just went into another realm with God he just left this earth physically he was just gone didn't leave his body nothing he just left

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and it says before his translation he had this testimony that he pleased God so this testimony in most people's depictions means that he had received some sort of knowledge that he wrote down or that he passed to someone else which most people believe that it was poorly passed down and then it was written down later which a lot of the Bible was done.
So that's kind of the idea of the first book of Enoch now how was first found was in the Comron caves and this was in 1947 and there was this Bedouin boy of the Ta'amira and he was Muhammad Ahmed L.Hamed and he was in a cave searching for a lost animal dog or some pet of his and he stumbles into the first cave and he found a bunch of scrolls so the rest of his life was in the cave and he found a bunch of scrolls

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so the rest of his tribe go in there and they start finding all these scrolls they end up going to Mar Samuel of the Siric Orthodox Church and this was in April of 1947 and they brought him through there and he said whoa this is kind of wild check this out though I think this is a part of it that's just a little bit weird to me so the cave was found in 1947 but it wasn't revealed for another 18 months

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and then they brought in like Roland DeVoe and Gerald Harding to go in and start bringing these documents out and I kind of want to ask you what you might have thought about that because here's the one thing they find all of these very important documents in there and some of them very critical to the Christian faith but what's to say that I don't know there were other things that were found within that 18 months

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that we may never know about or even when they did go in there and start looking what was actually in there that we don't know about that who got ahold of this stuff
Right right there and there could be it's interesting as you're talking there's there's a lot of things popping into my mind of parallels of the research that world talk about it

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I believe in part two we talk about the majestic 12 and I'll talk about Eisenhower and it's a similar it's you know there's this theory this claim that Eisenhower made a pact with the aliens and we exchanged you know adductees for technology which sounds very much I never heard a frame the way you're saying about the watchers coming down and sort of taking the women in exchange for tech and the the caves is also interesting because later in the day

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I'm going to talk about Kenneth Arnold and his story and the Kenneth Arnold story ties into a guy named Fred Christman who also he was overseas and he came across a race of aliens and a cave supposedly Lemurians
and you know the symbolism of the cave is important as well it's it's sort of like a heralded place of where someone can be reborn from sometimes it's kind of like going into receive the the intersanctum of knowledge and then you come out you know resurrect a kind of Christ the story of Christ who came from the cave three days later

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and you know then this is unreal well I got could be related but unrelated but in 1945 the Nagamadi were found in some some I believe they were found in some caves in Egypt and that included the corpus or Medica which is text by so which is which ties us into this whole realm of magic and which there's very much similar to the story that you find in the book of Enoch about the the watchers giving these occult sciences to the human world

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and the occult sciences to the humans when they came to earth
yeah absolutely and and your spot on with like where I'm rolling with it too because the more that I looked at the book of Enoch and the more I really started understanding it is when the correlation between the tech and access to the women to create was the interesting piece

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and it's always to corrupt right that's what they're trying to use corrupt guys creation and I'll read a little bit out of the book of Enoch because I think it's important but I'll just overview some of chapter six but this is when the angels come and some jazza was their leader and he's the one the leader of these two under watchers that come down and they basically make a pact with each other that they're going to do this they swear on oath and they bind themselves to this pact that are going to do this and turn on God

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because they know that this is against his creation so they do and they end up looking for wives and each of them choose one and in doing that they not only teach the women that they're with in champments cutting of the roots and what would be essentially back then pharmaceuticals with a clainted plants

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but they impregnate these women and they create these giants he's nephaline out of it well you get deeper into the technology piece Isaac you go to chapter eight that's where it gets real deep you got a zeal he's teaching men how to make swords knives shields and breast plates you've got armor rose he's teaching the resolving of the champments you got some jazza he teaches the enchantments you got Barack I always teaching astrology you've got cocoa bell he's teaching constellations you've got a zikul the knowledge of the clouds Eric held the signs of the earth

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samsiele the signs of the sun and on and on and on they're teaching everything that man doesn't know it's what the mystery schools have done since I think the inception of can and his son e-knock which would be the brotherhood of the snake which a lot of people believe was the very first secret society but when you look at it from this aspect they are getting access to these women to create these nephaline

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in the trade off with this technology now we know through all kind of stories about alien abductions and we know about these women who are taken and then they're impregnated and then sometimes two three months later they're reabducted and this is removed and they're the only ones that remember it we've heard countless stories of this I've talked to women who've had these stories happen

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and it's very interesting in the aspect of what you're going to talk about with the majestic twelve and some of these other packs that were made one of the big parts is access to what men and women to duck them to do what and then you have to ask the question we have seen this all the way back to the book of e-knock and I think that's kind of where it starts really in my opinion is the book of e-knock but I think it goes a little bit deeper too

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when we're going to get into the grays what these might be so another thing that happens in the book of e-knock towards the end is the nephaline when they die in the flood that's coming that e-knock knows and he has heard this from God this has been passed down to Noah Noah's building this ark it says that they will become the evil spirits, the demonic entities that roam around the world

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the demonic entities that roam the earth they have no place to go heaven or hell and they are trapped on this earth and they are looking for host bodies
well that's where it gets real interesting because we know in the Bible after the flood we know that we have giant shulp again and no matter fact one type is called the raffaem
and the raffaem is a derivative from a Hebrew word called raffa and raffa and there's several different meanings for it I know some people want to go to the strong 7495 version and say to heal the cure to restore which it does mean that

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but if you go over another page it's 7496 spirits ghosts and shades and we know in job 265 where it talks about the dead tremble those beneath the waters and their inhabitants
we also know in Psalm 88 10 do you want wonders for the dead the words raffa it is denoting the spirits of the nuffaline that have not found a place to rest

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and these are spirits throughout the Bible and what people talk about demonic possessions
well we get into some very interesting talk and I'll save that particularly in part 2 when we get into Crowley and some of the ideas of creating host bodies for these spirits to inhabit

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and I think that I'm going to show a really interesting correlation between the grays and some of these other aliens who tend to be on the more nefarious side that are abducting people
and if we tie these abductions to the addition of them giving some sort of technology to governments and then a lot of these women are talking about sexual acts happening to them during these abductions

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and then they're being some sort of offspring or hybrids that are connected to it it reminds me a lot of enoch it reminds me a lot of what's happening there
so that's kind of where my mind's going initially with this series and some of the coal connections but we know of plenty of the idea of creating a host body

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even with Crowley talking about the moon child we know that this has been talked about for a long time and I think that this is a good place to start
because I think a lot of tentacles come spilling out of this part of it and it'll bleed off and everything else
yeah no doubt and there's some elements of in chapter eight when they talk about how the watchers taught like Ozazelle taught mankind to make swords and knives and shields

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and I wonder if that's not a reference to teaching mankind about war which is kind of the opening sequence of 2001 a space out of see where the apes learn to fight after the alien monolith comes
and then it goes on to talk about what it teaches the women to teach the women about wearing jewelry make up due to flying of the eyebrows wearing beautiful gemstones

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and then it talks about how after this there was all this wickedness and fornication and all the simple ways and such right
and it actually reminded me of growing up when I went I used to go to a what do you call it a church of the Nazarene in the 80s growing up
and I remember it was a big deal like you weren't like when guys started getting their left ears pierced like that was a big no no you couldn't do it I mean I did

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because I didn't care like I was a bad boy I didn't care what they said and and they were really anti tattoo
and I think it's and that you could argue all these things actually to come from from some element of historical past in this book of Enoch you know to be fair
yeah absolutely I think there's something to be said for that for sure I'm you know I'm not against that at all and I do think that

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the old adage of history repeats itself I think we're kind of in the modern era of what was happening back then in ancient times
and I think that 1947 in my opinion was kind of the kickoff and it was kind of the kickoff to bring into the zeitgeist the idea of extra terrestrial interacting with humans

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and I think this is where we get the words of extraterrestrials and alien beings and all this stuff kind of spilled out of 1947
whereas before they weren't referring to them as that they were referring to them as entities and sometimes the secret chiefs or the
mojotmas or the great white brotherhood or many of these other names that they were used in different occult literature so I mean obviously in the next episode when I get into

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Crowley we'll talk about lamb and we'll talk about him being the way and his connection in the Amalantra workings and how this connects directly to 1947 too
and I think that it's just the rebranding right this is what 1947 did rebranded a lot of things to where people could find it more palatable instead of somebody doing some sort of sex magic in some dark

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you know place with a bunch of people with candles everywhere
yeah you know it's funny you bring that up because somewhere in the notes I've got all these pages of notes right and somewhere in here I do I found somewhere who coined the term extraterrestrial I
doesn't I have to go through my notes to remember who it was but another thing that come to mind that I have in my notes is the topic about rebranding as propaganda

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because when I wrote my I wrote two alien books in 2020 and 21 and in it I talk about the propaganda manipulation of rebranding from UFO to UAP well there was a propaganda
rebranding to the term UFO in 47 so we'll get to that eventually but that's interesting you're you're you're talking the exact thing that I was able to find when I was researching

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yeah it's super interesting man and I think obviously book a e-knot great place to start I think we should definitely jump into the next piece that I know you've got a lot on right here with the cold war
McCarthyism nuclear space age Trinity crash Trinity sites we got all this crazing is going on with this cold war starting and it's interesting because man we've got UFOs popping up plus all

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little nature of reality in 1947 was a clear division point of start of some kind of new cycle maybe was a smaller cycle within a bigger one but
you know like you said started out with the the book of e-nog discovery then you had the beginning of the cold war right and this was this was basically the war of the new age and with it it was massive amounts of fear manipulation threats of Armageddon

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which is the revealing the revelation you know and that's arguably kind of the shift that we've been seeing the last 25 years they've been accelerating that that arm again in revelation of all these things that we're talking about and the cold war officially started on march 12 in 1947
when president harry s Truman made a speech about the Truman doctrine and this was his foreign policy that he had basically you know addressing the the communist threats of the Soviet Union he was he was saying that look we're going to oppose all regimes that are totalitarian authoritarian

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but most of all communism like that's always the biggest boogie man that they use for everything that they've ever wanted and and that's not a defensive communism just to be fair
but from this we got the formation of NATO and just decades of battles and and policies as which comes from the architecture of this cold war

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you know you had the Korean war 1950 you had the Vietnam war that started in 55 and didn't until 75 and you can even argue that the the false flags of Vietnam are a result of the Truman doctrine from 1947
because there was a false flag that supposedly in in 64 we had we had advisors in there embedded for years so I mean you could argue when the the Vietnam war actually started but we had we had all these advisors in there and intelligence agents prior to the official start of the war

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in in 1964 supposedly the Vietnamese the North Vietnamese were were striking against us ships that were stationed in the Gulf of Tonk and these reconnaissance ships which later you know I think it was like in the 90s 50 you know 40 years 30 years later
a secretary defense Robert McNamara confirmed that that didn't really happen and what happened was that and then a big piece of pop culture history because I'm always into the pop culture aspect is that the commander of the intelligence surveillance ships that were supposedly attacked was Raiad Mou George Morrison who's the father of Jim Morrison from the doors I'm positive Joel already knows this

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but you know George Morrison is an interesting guy he was a nuclear weapons instructor which we're going to talk about new says a component of the Cold War here and if you read David McGowen's weird scenes from the Laurel Canyon he connects the whole Morrison family into intelligence circles suggesting as part of some larger

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side up and because that's kind of what the book is about is about the hippie movement and the musicians that were part of this psychological operation but that's exactly what the Cold War was all about is with the Truman doctor was all about is planting fear is a fear based battle to protect capitalism arguably protecting the elites
and to condemn communism as this boogie man with which they could defend any sort of actions alright now I'm not I'm not speaking to the validity of whether communism is good or bad I'm just saying that that's what it was used for okay and you know and the doors to stick with the Morrison thing just a little bit more the name of the doors comes from the book the doors of perception by Alice Huxley

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which is all about him tripping on masculine and using mysticism that he got from Alistair Crowley which were to talk about Crowley probably several times on these this two parts show I'm I'm sure of it and it was this moment in pop culture of expanding our minds through a cult and new age practices happening at the same time and you can even argue it could

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in a process of showing us the dangers of these things when you look at the Charles Manson story because without going to deep down a rabbit hole with Charles Manson there's strong evidence that he was possibly part of the intelligence operations of mk ultra and mh chaos
robin the world is giant book that suggested and I believe it wholeheartedly now a name to get back to the nineteen forty seven cold war thing another major component here is the McCarthyism which is again using the true doctor and delay will communist and have fear of the communist or the other which is very much an age old battle of you know set or Satan being the adversary often depicted a Saturn

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and that's kind of a
I don't know if an archetypes the right term is kind of a strategy that people use and that's what my argument is about the communism thing is that
they want to find ways to sort of get their agenda passed by keeping you worried about the fear of the other and for McCarthyism it was the fear of this
the supposed deep state within our country of communist which senator Joseph McCarthy had made claims that he had this list of a bunch of deep state commies that infiltrated the government education system and Hollywood

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and no such list actually existed apparently and it's hard to know what to believe anymore this point and at this point in my life I've decided that I don't know the truth about anything
because in a recorded history there's not much of it that's ever been actually recorded or written down and the stuff that is written down was written down by the people that wanted you to get a certain perspective on it so that's the way the story goes is that supposedly he had no list

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but nonetheless everyone started snitching on each other and demonizing people about who was hiding out his communist
and you see stuff like this happened to this day right like politically and this isn't going to turn into a political tangent by any means but an example would be like the right today says all leftist are dangerous antifa killers

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you know and it's a way of minimizing any sort of discussion to be had of finding a moderate neutral way forward that everyone can kind of agree with
which is exactly what Peter teals doing I did a whole show about Peter teal in the antichrist because he's doing these lectures about the antichrist and his in his insane world view of technocracy he says that well the antichrist is anyone who slows down technological process because his whole thing is we need to speed up the roll out of AI we need to speed up the digital matrix this this technocracy stuff

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and if you try to slow down you are actually the antichrist and that's it's just a way of like demonizing is and I want to say is like this is the same strategy over and over in 1947 it was macartheism communism is the bogeyman right yep
and the point is the politicians used fear to figure out a way to manipulate us against each other and this whole macartheism thing would die out in the late 50s

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however state alive in the john birch society which is this conspiracy group of right wing conspiracy group that was founded in 1958 by a businessman named Robert Welch
and he was a conspiracy theorist obviously and he said that Eisenhower was one of these deep state commies he said that Eisenhower is a communist agent trying to get us into a one world government

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and and the anyways from this the john birch society was able to kind of tinge conspiracy theory to have a bit of this demonization of anything leftist unions socialism welfare collectivism all these sort of left wing ideas

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as this bogeyman of communist and you see that to this day because if you get into the world of conspiracy theories which I've lived in for the last you know full time for the last 15 years
it generally leans pretty heavy to the right and that is because the influence of the john birch society arguably and it's really big on the idea of condemning moral wickedness being the conspiracy push through the education system which is you know

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and I do this too right like I'll watch a performance by a celebrity and I will critique it and say okay there's these symbols that you see when they're performing on sage what is this this means this blah blah blah right
and you know that that comes from that exact john birch society so without the 1947 McCarthyism we probably wouldn't have a lot of our our conspiracy brothers and sisters out there on social media talking about the things we talk about right

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and that's a lot of heavy influence is what I'm saying no I completely agree with that and just something to say real quick about the McCarthyism stuff one of the things that I always was running into was the fact that McCarthy was more of just the mouthpiece most people now say they probably should have called it Hooverism

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because Jay Edgar Hoover was a way more influential person involved with that and he McCarthy kind of started out cool but then they ended up budding heads down the road because of the fact that McCarthy started have just going crazy with these allegations he had all these publicity stunts

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and whereas Hoover was way more interested in using the FBI with surveillance wiretaps all these different files that he create on people to create a version of control over the US

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and that was more of his goal and he felt like McCarthy was way too reckless and while they started out cool they ended up getting really at odds they're towards the back end and that's kind of why McCarthy and his whole political career was ruined and a lot of had to do with Hoover because Hoover said no you're stepping out of line and Hoover was the big dog back then I mean pretty much ran the US when it came to anything surveillance

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and any of these national security issues so I found that was pretty interesting too and you know Hoover's a whole nother bag I mean that could be like a eight part episode on him but in essence what you're saying is true and you know you were talking about people getting roped in I mean at one point Jack Parsons they were threatening people around him and him at one point and honestly we did the episode the Inokian download and I brought out Shin Hues Shin shoes

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Shin Shuson and Shin Shuson was sent back from where he came in China because they did catch him with a lot of these communist accusations and if you pick up some of his writings he's always talking about comrades and stuff and what he's one of the guys in the the suicide squad with Jack Parsons he was yeah we talked about him and he was part of the rocketry that was going on with those groups of people back then

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and you know I got some of the documents with shoes and he was totally a comedy for sure but it's funny it's funny though that later on down the road they actually found that there was a lot of communist activity going on in the US but it wasn't the people they were pegging it was almost like that the government knew who those people were and were allowing those activities to go on with the community

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and the activities to go on while simultaneously quiting people that they didn't want opposing their own views so to your point I completely agree with that but it wasn't found out until later all these documents that came out of the cold work at the end of the Cold War
there was tons of Soviet spy activity in the United States and all of those agents never got hit none of them so it makes you think that Hoover knew what was going on and he was in conjunction working with some of these other

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deep state for lack of better word entities that were maneuvering towards you know what they're trying to do always a one world government
yeah I think that the McCarthy thing was probably the you know the popcorn for the movies for us mouth breeders out here while they were really doing some real stuff behind the scenes and Jerry
Hoover you know fun fact he's allegedly one of the majestic 12 which we'll talk about when we get there but the the whole the whole thing is my whole point that I wanted to bring out was is that was like a major

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a major dividing point for us and that was a way of them using division and the other fear of the other as part of the Cold War push which has
deep romp occasions I think when we get into the world of the occult nailians and so on and to understand more about this we have to look back a couple more years because the the line divided in 1945 when we started the atomic

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age on July 16th 1945 and that atomic age is what flavored the Cold War entirely and that's how they were able to sell the fear based ideas of the Cold War and the fear of communism and it was used as a tool to support this this fear of

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the dark annihilation if you talk to you know your parents or whatever they'll tell you about like all the crazy hiding under the doing at school they do all these exercises hide in the desk in case the new drop in nuclear fallouts others you can still see some today it's pretty
wild stuff right. And the thing that's interesting about the Trinity test is that it may have been the most occulted thing in human history in a way right

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in the end I'm going to I'm keeping it on the clock so I'm going to bust through this real quick so I'm going to kind of keep this brief but we have to understand the occult symbolism of the location at which the testing of the atomic bomb happened and James
Shelby Downard wrote a book I should say it's more like an essay called King kill 33 and this is conspiracy theory about the ideas of the Trinity test and what it

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meant in history was that the the assassination of JFK was a mass ritual that connects into the Trinity site and JFK was supposed to be the scapegoat and we were all to participate in this mass ritual of of death
the mass ritual actually starts back to the Trinity site test and down it uses a mixture of Kabbalah, Jammatria, mystical toponomy which is about the sacred locations that these the aluminum I forget the term he uses but basically the illuminati right the Freemasons I think he goes with the Freemasonic cryptocurrencies how he describes it but nonetheless it's the shadow group that we always talk about and he says that it connects through on this

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Hornata del Muerto which is the journey of the dead and the site of the Trinity happened if you follow the Hornata del Muerto it goes down to a Tehu a Tiwakon temple sacrifice site for the devil and it also goes through
El Paso to Kern gate which if you are looking to Kern gate I don't know if you're familiar with that Joel the Kern gate I'm not okay it's this bizarre structure you have to look it up it's this bizarre structures not there anymore but it had 444 lights and swastikas made from iron and it was supposedly built by these tall text to symbolize this brotherhood of light you know that's very much coded term for illuminati

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yeah they called it the the gate of death or the gate of a thousand doors and the the story the mythology out is that there was a human sacrifice conducted at the site when they sort of you know cut the red tape for this thing and the sacrifice was its builder Peter Kern
and he was a free mason and supposedly they to capitated and sacrifice the builder which you know the builder is very much coded free mason stuff but the point is that this ties into the Trinity site because the Trinity site was the ultimate

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alchemical ritual it was the destruction of primordial matter and the reason for that is it's it's a play on these opposing polarities when you and as Joel knows whenever you get into research in the occult there is huge on this thing about the opposing polarities it's it's depicted as one symbol of the the goat of mendes or the baffa met which is the church of Satan you know or the satanic temple I should say it's the goat with the breasts right is the male and female

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and it's all about the union of positive and negative forces and in the atomic structure those things are separated and it's the destruction of the primordial matter and this and while this I know this sounds kind of crazy but if you get into the theories that he presents a place in this larger idea of the occult beliefs of the creation of our world

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with order and chaos again opposing polarities and there's a belief that we can sort of break apart order and chaos and return to that chaotic state that formed us it's sort of an idea of spiritualizing matter
and and they say they could be done through this cosmic fire which would be the Trinity the Trinity test and and this all goes heavy into twin peaks right and if anyone is interested in that I'm on my podcast I did a 55 episode deep dive into twin peaks which covers this in much much further and death and you could ever want but the the whole idea is that the Trinity atomic bomb was part of a massive alchemical ritual

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and one last thing I'll turn it back over after the Trinity test July 16 1945 within two weeks there was an actual UFO crash this is two years before Roswell when everyone talks about UFO crashes in America we always think Roswell 1947 1945 we had one and this was there were salvaged artifacts there was multiple eyewitnesses one of the kids who saw it

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when inside this craft there was this tinsel type material that the locals were putting on their Christmas trees the two kids that observed it they saw aliens get out of the craft they went until their dad the dad tells the authorities and then they called the military and they come you know clean up the scene but something interesting about all that is that one of the witnesses as a child he was a kid his name was Jose Padilla

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and his cousin would end up marrying Lonnie's amora who was the cop who witnessed the Sakura New Mexico UFO sighting in 1964 anyways point being we put a ball and turn it back over to Joel but the point being is that the Trinity the Trinity blast is part of a larger ritual and then you've got the UFO crash right after that we can talk about

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Parsons and what could have really been happening with all these things but those things are what informed the Truman doctrine and the cold war which was a time period where we had a lot of strange activity absolutely man and yeah you hit on a lot of great stuff there with the Trinity test you know I went down some pretty deep rabbit holes and anybody is interested I did an episode about Jack Parsons in his connection to the demon core

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and one of the parts that I talked about there because one of the suggestions was reason that he died was he was trying to create a homunculus and if you want to get into what was going on at the Trinity test sightings and you look at the jumbo container nobody knows what that jumbo container was for and some people believe they were trying to create some sort of shell or moonschild with that jumbo container so I thought that was pretty fascinating I've seen a lot of that chatter go on also the

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Trinity crash I've got an interesting personal story about the little creatures so the Trinity crash and interesting because Jack Valle wrote a book about the Trinity UFO case and I think that's where a lot of the info started spilling out was when Jack Valle and pale the Harris wrote that Trinity best kept secret and they talk about who you're talking about Jose Padilla and Remi Baca those were the two kids that saw these little creatures and they were like the

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three kids who saw all these little creatures but I thought was fascinating was what the creatures looked like because in Jacques Valle's book they talk about them having these pear shaped heads and you look like praying mantises that is a different type that's also connected to these greys and when I was out in Washington and we were hunting bigfoot out in Washington we ran across this really crazy eyewitness story at this UFO shot that this guy that we knew work that and he sold marijuana at a marijuana and that's not what I was going to do.

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And I had a marijuana store that was connected to it and all the stuff you know Washington so we get in there and I start talking to the guy and he said one night he was driving home from work in his car he was down just a empty road and I mean we're way out in the just wooded area you know you want to see houses for miles and he said they he's driving all of a sudden his lights go off in his car goes dead very typical for these type of stories.

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And he sees this praying mantis like humanoid standing in front of his car with his hand up and starts walking towards him and he says that the entity gets close he doesn't remember a lot after that but then the car starts back up and the entities gone but he did say that he was having a lot of paranormal experiences after that happening at the house of that nature.

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Now we don't know in this instance if he was a doctor not because I ask him I was like well it seems to mean like you got a gap of time where you see this entity and all of a sudden then your car is working again and I know many people that say they have this type of thing happen but I just want to throw that little personal story in there about these mantis beings they're talked about a lot and they have this sometimes they're tall sometimes they're smaller heat the one he saw is about three foot and I know in this particular story of the Trinity crash that these were.

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That these were small beings and it's a very well known story and there were so many eyewitnesses to it that saw the craft I know they went back and they beings were gone when they went back but the craft was there and I know that according to the people who have told the story of seen it said that there was government agents that were involved in trying to scrub it and trying to make sure that they told the story the way that they wanted them to tell the story.

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But yeah that's a fascinating story that spills out of the Trinity site and what was going on there and you know many people think there was some sort of portal of veil that was opened out in that desert and you know that's not something that only one person is talking about a lot of people have talked about that.
Yeah and I wish James Shelby downer would have known about it because I don't know when I don't know when the story was I'm not that deep into ufology that it was a story I've ever heard until the the valet Harris book came out right just a couple years ago and I was like where the heck is this been I didn't know about this right but I'm not as tune in as some people could be but I kind of was downer would have known about that because he would have definitely added that to his list of oddities on the hornata Del Muerto.

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Journey of of the assassination of JFK.
Yeah for sure I do think it's a great connection there between the Trinity site and the Trinity crash but you're bringing up all of these explosions and we're talking about nuclear testing and the fallout from Nagasaki in here Shima and what started spilling out from that and we have to talk about the

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Doomsday Clock and we got to talk about some of the people involved with that honestly I found the craziest connections more so with the Doomsday Clock with the people involved with it now then back then but even back then it was a funneling to the people that are running it now and some of the organizations that are behind this Doomsday Clock even the creation of the Doomsday Clock I think it's pretty fascinating but it's a really interesting

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vehicle because it was created in 1947 and Martill Langsdorf was the artist that created this clock that ended up being on the bulletin of the atomic scientist news letter that went out and it's a metaphorical symbol and it represents humanity's proximity to any kind of catastrophe global particularly nuclear because they just come off of the

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nuclear destruction and it's supposed to be a symbolic warning to stop before it gets too bad because once it reaches midnight then that's when
the day is literally all hell breaks loose and what was also interesting while I was digging through the Hiroshima and Nagasaki stuff because that was rolling into this clock just a little crazy side note of the explosion and you talked about the Trinity

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well also what happened during those events too and Alice Bailey and she wrote this in externalization of the hierarchy and you can check out all her stuff on the Lucius Publishing Company dot work or whatever because she's got tons of books up there still
but she talks about when she talked to one of the members of the great white lodge, Joel Kuhl and he was an emissary and most people would know him as master DK he interacted with a lot of the osufist and more modern the osufist but even people connected to the OTO and

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they are any of those different groups they were connected to this master DK but she talks about how he said the explosion of the a bomb was the greatest spiritual event which has taken place since the human kingdom appeared so I find that fascinating that it's these explosions that are
stepping through some sort of tear or veil and it does tie back into this doomsday clock too because we're talking about the approaching to midnight and if you know anything about midnight that is actually the technical time for the witching hour I know most people think that of the

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time there's being 3 a.m. and there is something to be said for that being the highest point for paranormal activity but actually the midnight is considered the actual witching hour so for looking at 12 o'clock being this
window and we're looking at 7 minutes the midnight which was the first minutes that they put towards this crescendo this ending I mean we look at just the number 7 and the occult or even

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biblically it's used as either the symbol of God or the occult a lot of times it's used as the symbol of enlightenment or awakening or this movement towards this moment in time to where that you ascend and we also know that a lot of these occultist it's not about how to get to the

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ascension if that makes any sense it's sometimes it can be done by in various means or what others would consider to be nefarious means when an actuality it's more of we need to use this thing even if it's viewed at his evil to get to this next level of where we know we have to go and that gets into
them in a lot of other aspects to when you're looking at what people think good and bad actually is right so you know we look at Crowley Crowley had his own few points of what he considered to be good and evil to so to the clock so

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the first husband worked on the Manhattan project and his thing was he actually thought that we needed stringent rules around atomic bombs and setting off of atomic bombs so the idea that they wanted to create this clock to warn people is true at a sense and I do think that

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the model and so if he was hired by him and goldsmith which is interesting stuff around him and goldsmith but her husband Alexander Langsdorf junior he was working with the man had project and they were a group of people in the Manhattan project that I guess at least on the outside were against what the atomic bombs are being used for now I think some of that could be true because

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goldsmith came out really hard against what was going on with the bombs that were dropped in Nagasaki and Hiroshima and what's crazy is he was going so hard against it he tragically died at the age of 42 after being swept over a waterfall while swimming in the west river and

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from my so it's kind of yeah I know it was a weird piece of info that I ran across and I said man he was really hot from 1947 they create this clock and they're trying to warn people about getting to this period where it's going to be the end and he's going really hard for two years then all of a sudden this dude at 42 it's not like he was 65 70 years old he just gets swept over a waterfall while swimming in west river and

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I said man you know I could be looking too deep into it maybe just didn't know what he was doing he's out there got you know smacking to a rock or something like that but it's really weird that you had this group of people who were against what they said was being used or what was being used with the atomic bombs but then they some of them were getting I guess

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quote unquote picked off and you got here you got a goldsmith getting picked off with seems like possibly by dying while right while he's in the middle of trying to push back against this so that was interesting enough so initially I think that the clock you know we can look at what we think about you know numbers numerology geometry and we can look at the significance of those numbers and say yeah there's probably something there but you don't really get it

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but you don't really get into the weirder stuff in my opinion till later on you get to Michael Bayer root and this is in 2000 and nine when he takes over this clock now this is when the newspaper ends up going digital purely digital at this point so he takes over this clock they create a new clock and the reason why I say create it he's a graphic designer and he's a partner at the design firm pen

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and he designed the logo for Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign which is that weird age that had the weird arrow that went to the right everybody had a big problem with it so anyway he is part of this group called pinogram and you start digging into
the diagram and what they do so they're this design firm and they literally design for every single major organization out there I mean pretty much anybody who's a who's who they create for and sometimes it's the simplest of designs that they do where you and I could do that with old school clip art that's how I look at it anyway but their geniuses it knowing how to bring people

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in with symbolism and you look at a lot of symbols they've created are very called nature I listen to one of the ladies I can't remember her name now watch the video where she was talking about the idea of how to
control people through identities and she said identity means you have to be recognized you're constructing a visual language so he's talking about creating languages through symbolism and that's what this entire group pentagram is doing and in 1972 is when they started and they started with five partners so that's where you get your

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name from and they're all on equal standing to this day any partner is on equal standing with any other partner there is no one person who is in charge of the entire organization now they have a ton of other subsidiary groups that spawn out of that which I find super interesting the deeper you go with that too a lot of the groups they work for rolls

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and they're all very naturally national gallery of art Warner Brothers the daily show Saturday night live that just shows you how eclectic and how widespread spanning they are with logos but everything is geared to bring people into what you're pushing and so
when they recreate the new clock which I find interesting and another person who's working for pentagram to is Emily Oberman and I bring her up because she created previously before she became a partner there she created a design group called number 17

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and the call number 17 is this idea of the union of the material and spiritual world it's the journey of the initiate so all what's really weird is you can't find anything that can nail down these people to being part of say a secret society or a mystery school

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but everything they have is occulted in nature when it comes to numbers and symbolism and now they've taken over the doomsday clock and to me that seems very fascinating even the amount of times that they've moved the doomsday clock and since 1947 it's been adjusted 25 times and I looked at some of the symbolism of 25

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and in the Hebrew the word is ye ye meaning let there be an in geometry of 25 is ye ye and it means let there be light it means to bring forth the ascension so it's very interesting that this has been moved 25 times since 1947 and not say it won't be moved more than that but it's where it's sitting right now and we do seem to be moving towards some sort of crazy crescendo and what these alchemists and a cultists have planned for us

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we don't know exactly but I highly doubt it's anything good Isaac.
Did you you went deep on that that's interesting because I hadn't heard about that and my my hot take on the the doomsday clock was that this is just more fear based aspects of the cold war and this it's kind of like the Drake equation to me which is supposed to be the equation to tell you how much the alien life could be out there but it's completely anti-sufficiency and it's not just a real thing

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but it's the anti science because it's based on like subjective like part parts of the equation and just things you're guessing and
because like you said they started the doomsday clock at seven minutes to midnight like why not start it further back why is it to be so close to over almost dead you know what I mean
and I think that it would morph into ownership through this company pentagram I never heard of that before you know pentagram obviously makes me think of the a cult because the pentagram is the simple use by Pythagoras and it's like the spiritual side of mankind

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and and then then you said it it you said the number 17 was involved there.
Yes so Emily Obermann ended up being a partner there she had a previous company that was the number 17.
Okay that's what it was.
They rolled her company into there when she became a partner so all of them have these weird occult numbers associated with what they do

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and that was the weird take that I got because as I'm looking at it, he on the outside it doesn't look like that they're doing anything super nefarious outside of the fact that a lot of the companies that they're working for some of them have some weird symbolism in their logos
and I again I watched this video it was about a five minute video where this lady explained how they do things and how they create these logos.

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It was interesting let's into her how she's basically talking about how to manipulate the human mind with the logo and it's super simple.
Yeah these guys all the all study that were Bernays you know they know what they're doing and that 17 was interesting to me because that was something I talked about I just did a film analysis of the movie weapons that uses the number 17 in the film

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and that actually plays into the death and resurrection of Osiris because Osiris was a Poojarks as Osiris was killed on March 17th.
So I'll find that in some occult things I'll find that number 17 that pops up and I'll see if it connects into the death and resurrection of Osiris which is important to these mystery schools and March 17th was the 77th day of the year which was important to Alice

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and he equates that to you'll see his star of Babylon sigil it'll use the number 77 on there because that is again related to this end times fantasy that everybody on you know up down left right everyone is pointed towards the same thing of trying to usher in this apocalyptic end of humanity for reasons I have yet to understand why they are pursuing this but that's interesting

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that she would be involved with literally the doomsday clock that's counting down to the end times as well.
Absolutely and that was the weird occult stuff that I found out of that because again I think initially there's definitely some symbolism with the initial seven minutes to midnight and what those mean but I do think that there were some guys involved early on that may have meant good by what they were trying to do to get people to wake up to

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the day we need to slow down we need to not try to you know blow each other up to then now you've got this company pentagram who redraws the clock and it's constantly up on the website now and you can go check it you can see if they ever move it they'll talk about moving obviously when they do but yeah it's it was fascinating this weird thread that ties into the modern doomsday clock and I know we're going to shift years here and move into Kenneth Arnold because I think his stuff is just absolutely

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wild when it comes to 1947 but yeah that's my take on the doomsday clock and just some of the weird stuff around it. Yeah that's good stuff man. So yeah let's get into Kenneth Arnold if you're ready to move on.
Absolutely.
Okay so 1945 started the atomic age so 1947 started the UFO age and this all you know the the important aspects of it start with Kenneth Arnold and that one it's June 1947 it's just a matter of weeks before Roswell and pilot Kenneth Arnold is flying around Mount Rainier in Washington.

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He spots nine UFOs and they're flying faster than anything he's ever seen and he describes them as as saucers skipping across the water the media then uses this term and cause them flying saucers and they run the story the public starts panicking they start seeing UFOs everywhere.

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Now what's interesting about Kenneth Arnold is that he would later investigate another 1947 UFO event in Washington known as the Marie Island incident that happened just days before Kenneth Arnold's citing and because once he sees this these UFOs then he now he's intrigued right and he gets involved with the Marie Island incident which was when

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when Harold doll was patrolling Marie Island in Washington in his boat he had two crewmen he had his son and his dog in the boat and they saw six massive circular craft in the skies and they appeared to be releasing what they thought were strips of paper the way they were sort of fluttering down to earth.

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And then amongst this some other debris was falling from the skies that resembled lava rocks and it hit their boat it broke one of the crewman's arms it killed their dog and all this happens to Harold doll gets back on land he reports to I guess it was his supervisor at the time Fred Christmas and Fred Christmas would go retrieve some of these.

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Paper strips turn out they were kind of like metal like loose metal and he actually saw craft as well.
Then comes into the story a guy named Ray Palmer and he was the editor of amazing stories which were science fiction tales and he had he had known about Harold doll in his story.

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So when the media releases the Kenneth Arnold flying saucer story Ray Palmer gets a hold of Kenneth Arnold he says hey you should go look into Harold doll and Fred Christmas because they supposedly have pieces from these UFO craft that you saw so that's how that's how Kenneth Arnold gets involved with Marie Island so Kenneth Arnold investigates and and it starts a bunch of problems.

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So he wants to get to the bottom of it he gets a hold of military intelligence and lieutenant Frank Brown and captain Davidson fly up to Washington and they're investigating and they're collecting fragments that they had been retrieved and they get ready to fly back to California and their aircraft crash is killing both of them.

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And now the FBI gets involved and the FBI immediately runs cover and they're like oh it's all fake news none of this is real and nobody ever saw any UFOs and they basically discredit the whole thing right except for the death the deaths really happened right and they they would eventually gone to blame.

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All these UFO people for the deaths of the two military members because you know it was a hoax according to the FBI.
So Harold doll after all this he starts getting visits from the men in black and he decides like I'm not talking about this anymore I'm done right and strangely enough I read about more in depth in this in the secret history of twin peaks book by Mark Frost and he talks about how Kenneth Arnold.

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Met up with Fred Christmas and Harold doll to look at the evidence and when they're all together they invited to Air Force officers up.
The Air Force officers tell them they warn them they say okay cool we got the stuff we're gonna take back to Cali oh by the way your room is bugged you better be careful.
And after this is when all the men in black stuff happen and Harold doll was terrified by the men in black because supposedly they abducted his son Chris.

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His son Chris winds up in Missoula Montana unsure how he got there and.
Kenneth Arnold's plane also got sabotage but Kenneth Arnold did his pre safety checks and caught it before he took off so apparently there was some real real dangerous interference by the men in black and that's where.
I believe that's the source of the original nation of the whole men in black story goes to 1947 and and.

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And kind of Donald.
Harold doll Fred Christmas and from this.
The Air Force begins investigating all these UFOs this is where you get project sign project grudge project blue book and.
All of these you know because like I said the FBI literally tried to run the smear campaign of like no these guys saw nothing it's crazy fake news.

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But apparently was real enough that the Air Force started these investigations but as you know the history of it goes the sign grudge and blue book all had elements of sort of disinformation and discrediting.
They were trying to basically manipulate public opinion on aliens and UFOs for you know reasons i'm not entirely sure of quite yet.

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So and in 1956 there was a smear campaign run by a US Air Force officer Edward Rupeult and he was the director project grudge and a member project blue book.
And he was the one that he talked about rebranding earlier he's the one that rephrase the term flying saucers which was from 1947.

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To UFOs so that we would start calling them UFOs and then as we all know now the new rebrand is UAP.
But he said that the more you either think was a hoax and that he blames the two.
The two deaths of the Air Force officers on on these people doll christmine and Arnold.

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But anyways we see this propaganda continue to this day about aliens and UFOs and you know this new disclosure movement that.
I know I'm a sucker I buy every one of these documentaries when it comes out on amazon and i'm going to buy the next stupid one i think it's called a buff top secret or something new one that they're saying like all this is going to it was it was a premiered at south by southwest and march and before air they're like this one's going to blow the lid off its proof undeniable.

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And all this stuff and i and everything i've read about it because i haven't seen it yet.
Everything i read about it sounds like it's just more the same it's more of politicians sitting there saying we really do need to go to the bottom of this and then maybe and i witness like yeah i saw something.
And i'm like okay great where's the bodies where's the photos where's the evidence we get nothing you know.

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Anyway let me get back to the let me ask kenneth Arnold so we talked about Fred christman right and that guy was real interesting because he's the one that in war war two when he was overseas he claimed he stumbled into this cave system.
And saw these lamurian aliens and that story was how he got linked up with very Palmer because he sold the story to Ray Palmer for amazing stories.

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And the claim is and if you read the secret history of twin peaks and as well as Jim Mars apparently wrote this somewhere i don't know where claims that Fred christman was actually secretly an intelligence officer he worked for the OSS and that's what his real background is and what's interesting is that Fred christman was also subpoenaed during the gym garrison jfk investigation.

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Because some business man got arrested for a conspiracy to assassinate jfk and the first person he calls is Fred christman and christman was supposedly one of the you know the three tramps that they originally thought may have killed jfk which included woody heraldsons father and and the three tramps also plays in the james shall be down in king kill 33 because he says they represent the three assassins of hire him a bif in free masonry.

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So christman super fascinating super connected intelligence which as we go through this whole this whole analysis you're going to see you're going to keep hearing about intelligence agencies.
Joel was talking about in the dupe's a clock talking about someone connected into the manhand project i kept coming across that to all these people connected all these intelligence people in connected to manhand project the atomic bomb.

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The new of those you keep seeing it over and over and over and the argument that is being presented is that higher intelligence are observing us and they're even disrupting our progress with nuclear technology.
It could be coming in closer to monitor us i mean who knows but the intelligence agencies there are where all this and they keep.

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Distracting us or keeping us in the dark about what's really going on and that's that's kind of the fascinating part of the UFO story here but something interesting i found when you look at the occult perspective of what's going on if you read into.
Call young book flying saucers or jackfayles works.

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They suggest that UFOs are part of a mental phenomenon a part of a sort of a channeling of the trickster archetype a projection of human anxiety is how they describe it.
Which if i'm now that and i hadn't really thought of this till we were preparing for this 1947 show.
It all makes sense because my whole my whole thought was going back to the cold war thing is it feels like what they're doing is trying to scare us they're trying to scare us of all these apocalyptic visions from nooks or communist or aliens or whatever and what does that do that increases anxiety.

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And call young and jackfayles i would argue are saying with the increase in human anxiety because we are sort of like energetic and ten is and we do emit energy if you've ever walked into a room where people are there's high tension people are fighting and there's lots of anxiety you feel it when you walk in.
If you don't feel your dog does right to your dog in there dogs are freaking out and the argument in my sort of stupid brain that i hear is when there's too much of this anxious energy that.

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It can kind of manifest these entities.
From wherever you know fill in the blank however you want to believe that and that is what all of these aspects of 1947 brought about with doomsday clocks and and nooks and all this crazy you know you will for reporting programs.
And we didn't even touch on jack parsons yet but like in 1947 you had these you know jack Parsons babble on workings connected into possibly the nuclear testing.

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And it's had to disrupt this astral plane and open it up these gateways right so if you can open up a gateway and then also increase the anxiety and the emotional energy of the human population maybe there's some kind of a cult.
And so that's the kind of aspect there of how they can utilize that energy and because that's what magic is all about it's about utilizing energies and one last thing and I'll kick it back over.

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Furthermore and Hanford Washington which is when they're all of these these UFO sightings were being done with you know Fred christmine herald all in can't afford.
Washington is one of the places they used to refine plutonium for the manhattan project right and some people from this you can people get into theories that well there was actually no UFOs it was actually secret military aircraft testing sort of nuclear things and they allowed UFOs to be a cover story for them so you know pick your

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user adventure in what you want to believe but can't a thought I'll definitely a cornerstone to the nineteen forty seven UFO age starting.
Yeah it's all that was great information and I did a four part series on the core origins of the men in black and I talk about the more you island incident and it's interesting there was a lawyer called Steve Edmondston

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and I just found this fascinating he decided to start digging into herald all and all the things that spawned out of that and one of the interesting things that he found as he was digging through some of these FBI documents that he got a hold of there was an FBI agent called Jack Wilcox and this is fascinating when they went back to doll after he came out and said that it was a hoax he actually told and this is an FBI

(01:26:20):
documents he said oh I stand by what I saw I saw what I saw but I'm going to pretend I'm a liar because that's an easier thing for me to live with than ridicule gets better though so Wilcox wrote doll did not admit that his story was a hoax but only say that if question by authorities he was going to say it was a hoax because he did not want any further trouble so he they go to Hoover and they tell Hoover that it's not a hoax

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It's not a hoax, the guy's still not saying it's a hoax, and Hoover says this is a hoax case closed,
and the FBI agent that was working on it told him that you're wrong Mr. Hoover.
That's in the FBI documents that were found by this lawyer who just, on just some whim,
wanted to look into it because he lived in the Washington area in the Tacoma area, and
he knew about the story and then he started looking into it and said, wow, so he actually

(01:27:13):
came out and never really said it was a hoax, he only said it was a hoax because that he
was pressed and he didn't want to deal with all of the hoopla that was around it, which I
thought was just absolutely insane.
Yeah, all these things are too important for the people that are the architects of our
society and using these things to whatever ends that they're trying to do, and I don't

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know if it's a spiritual thing, I don't know if it's a monetary thing or a power thing
or a combination of all three.
All, I think it's all, I think one thing that I look at a lot of times is what is the connective
thread that brings it all together because I never think it's one thing.
I've gotten really comfortable with understanding that the spiritual world interacts with the

(01:27:58):
physical world in a way that connects to power and money and all these other things to,
especially with people that are in these positions.
And I think that we're moving to the last piece here and I think it all kind of starts
with Roswell in 1947, man.
And I think we're getting to at least a little bit of what they said happened at Roswell.

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I'll talk about a little bit of good old Bill Cooper too because I think he had some interesting
things to say.
Yeah, Bill's, Bill's an interesting dude, man.
I mean, hey, they did come after him.
He did die.
He understood out with him.
I mean, we went out for this thing.
I don't know, man.
Like, listen, like we could say that he was a plant or wherever you want to make up,
but at the end of the day, we know that he was in a shootout with what they say was police

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officers.
We don't know who all was involved, but I mean, he got off then was it 2001.
So he had some very interesting stuff to say for years, man, about what happened in 1947.
And I'm going to talk about what he specifically said about this particular entity because I think
we're going to find this connective thread between the spiritual and what I would consider

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the spirits of the Nephilim and all the way back to Engaugh and how this ties right into
the modern uphology movement and what they're actually talking about.
But just to get to the Roswell incident.
So we all know the core claims, right?
We've got crashed alien spaceship.
You know, some people say that it actually wasn't this weather balloon that they later came

(01:29:32):
out and said that it was.
What's really interesting though is the Roswell daily record, the newspaper that came out
in 1947, the headline was RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region.
You could look this up anywhere.
So we know that the initial report was that it was this flying saucer.
Now obviously government agencies came back through later and they said that it was a weather

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balloon and they tie it into some of these other projects like the Project Mogul, which they
said was basically these high altitude balloons that had microphones attached to them that
could detect sound waves from anticipated Soviet nuclear test, which I think is probably

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the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard my life honestly.
Not saying that they didn't have things like that, but it just seems like such an absurd
cover story specifically with all the people that were either a part of the crash that were
pulling in supposed bodies or debris and we're getting into some of that here too.

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But all of it's just absolutely fascinating and this happened in Roswell and the newspaper
report was that it was a flying saucer.
Now in 1978, Jesse Marcel and people remember him and his son, they were on all kinds of
shows like unsolved mysteries, Leonard Neemoy.

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They've been on a ton of stuff and they wrote this book in 1980, The Roswell Incident.
That's kind of like the foundation for everything else that spilled out of the Roswell, quote,
unquote alien bodies and this reverse engineering that they said was happening with this craft
that landed and they said that they saw the craft.

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They actually were able to procure some of the materials.
I believe Marcel's son said that it was almost foil like and they were able to crumple it
up and then it would just move right back into position the way that it was.
It definitely wasn't craft that they had seen.
So most people say according to the UFO side of the story that there were three bodies, two

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were dead.
I've heard somewhere it was four, but most of three, you got two there, dead one was still
alive and they take them in and then one of them is kept alive.
Now this is kind of where Bill Cooper comes into play and Bill Cooper wrote a book in 1991
called The Hold of Pill Horse and I feel like if anybody's in the conspiratorial world has
probably read that book at least 15 times between Baguette dropped it down.

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It's just a staple in what we consider to be the conspiratorial world with Bill Cooper.
For people that don't know, especially because he's kind of an older staple of that world,
he was a conspiracy theorist, radio broadcaster and he used to record his episodes and

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then send them to the station to play.
I think it's some nighttime showing that they used to show it at once a week and anyway,
he used to talk about everything from global conspiracies, extraterrestrials.
He really on the back end of his career really got into geopolitics a lot and was looking
at the connection between what the governments were doing to control mankind.

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That's where I believe he got in a lot of trouble and a lot of heat because I don't think
they cared so much about the space alien stuff but he did really get into how that the alien
agenda was in 1947 and he talks about this specific entity called EBE, EBE, extraterrestrial

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biological entity.
Now this is the one that survived from Waswell and he said he got this information from sources
obviously we don't know who these sources are but he does name off one of the doctors involved
with this EBE and he talks about how that not all aliens are EBEs and he said this particular
kind was a gray alien, our very modernized version of what we see gray aliens to be and

(01:33:56):
he says that for like a year EBE is lying to him, he's only giving them answers they want
to hear and he's not really giving them anything that they need but in the second year he starts
open up with all this crazy information and that's when they compiled everything that
he gave him in this thing called the yellow book and then EBE is kept hostage essentially

(01:34:22):
with what Bill Cooper describes as some sort of force field because he says that these entities
and this is where I'm getting into it not being extraterrestrial so much as interdimensional
or spiritual they're containing EBE with this force field because they can disappear and
phase in and out of walls and that's the reason why that they've captured this EBE also they're

(01:34:47):
using electromagnetic energy to contain them as well so that's some sort of prison device
that they've created to keep EBE from running off but in 1951 oddly EBE gets sick and they don't
obviously what to do with EBE because EBE doesn't even have our same biological makeup but they
realize according to Bill now that it was chlorophyll based and it processed food much like plants

(01:35:13):
to so they bring in this botanist he says Guillermo Mendoza that comes into help EBE and does to some
extent for about a year and then 1952 EBE ends up dying now 1952 before EBE dies this is with the
United States starts reaching out the space to connect to this specific type of alien again this

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is according to Bill and they want to gain access to superior knowledge of technology with these
entities and he says this is when Truman creates this super secret national security agency and
obviously we'll get into them just a 12 and all that but he says that EBE was the catalyst now my

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personal thoughts on what I think about this is I think that the incident happened now I know there's
some people out there who have some great theories on it being our own tech right or some sort of tech
that was dropped there to create the solution of aliens which they could use for a later date I'm

(01:36:19):
not against that either obviously we don't really know but if I'm looking at it from a spiritual
angle and I'm looking at it from the book of Enoch all the way to now and this constant throughout
history of trading off of technology with said entities fallen angels whatever you want to call
them right we can go down the list of different names and this point of contact to then a trade-off

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had and this EBE being kind of the catalyst right EBE is around them for a few years four or five
years and then EBE dies but before EBE dies gets sick they have to start reaching out and this is when
they have that connector point to where they create this path with these alien entities to then get

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access to this technology and this is when we see this huge boom that happens from that so in my
opinion I'm not of the opinion that these are extraterrestrials so much as these are the same entities
from biblical times this is the same ones and they're just masquerading in a different format

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to be able to trick mankind and I'm not even of the notion Isaac that our governments are that smart
and I'm going to be honest with you with that I think there is a for lack of better word deep state
which we've thrown around a few times there is a secret cabal there is a entity that's moving

(01:37:52):
behind the scenes that understands exactly what's going on but I don't think the government's actually
to do I think they're getting due to they may be tricking us with the information they're given but
I think the information that's given to them is also a trick and I in my opinion think that the
Roswell incident was an absolute setup and I think that we took it on board as extraterrestrials

(01:38:14):
or as now we're calling them interdimensional beings but I think that they weren't and I think that
they were playing a shell game to get us to have contact with them to create some sort of path
very similar to what happened in the book at Enoch. That's that's a very good theory I like that in fact
when we get on our next on part two when we talk about majestic 12 I've actually got a good

(01:38:38):
section for straight from the whole bill horse from what Bill Cooper said about majestic 12
and they're in it I found something interesting that I believe connects this trickster element like
you're talking about from aliens technology with AI like a very similar trait that I'm like oh my
gosh this seems like the same thing over and over. A couple things about Roswell real quick

(01:39:03):
you oh and then you were talking about the the government's ability to be like secret or whatever
you know the man hat always when people say all the governments too stupid they could never pull
anything off they can't they're so inefficient blah blah blah and I think well the man hat project
was pretty damn secret they kept that one secret they had multiple locations throughout the country

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yes I mean that was a huge success right so they can do it so I always discredit any kind of thing
of people say well there's no way they could pull it off another one with Roswell something
always find interesting is that the date is so fuzzy as to when it actually happened I don't get
that I mean this wasn't like this was the year 1722 and there was no newspapers I mean that's

(01:39:50):
bizarre to me why can't we get a date so let's protest for let's get a date for Roswell someday
another aspect you were talking about ebe being confined in a sort of energetic prison
and have you ever seen the movie Golden Child with Eddie Murphy from the 80s I have seen it's been a
long time now okay yeah that's what that's what it is they have the golden child trapped in this

(01:40:14):
cage of sigils and symbols that energetically locks it in there so there's something like that you could
you could argue exist and then finally for the Roswell a lot of people would point to you talked
about the technology boom that happened around this time frame right in December of 1947 they
invented the transistor which obviously gave us all this you know computer chips and stuff but

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I always I always push back on that when people say all the transitions came from from alien technology
because you know my background is an engineering and electronic engineering specifically right we
had vacuum tubes before that and it and the transistor all it does is it just selects a binary state
of honor off it's just a switch in a circuit so the vacuum tube accomplished the same principle prior

(01:41:01):
to 1947 so I don't really believe in the whole idea that somehow the alien craft crashed and we
got this technology for transistor from it but it holds it holds to be said that the technology did
blow up pretty fast after the transistor just by the nature of what it was yeah and I've got a little
something to add here on the way out because this will get us really red hot going in part two so Walter

(01:41:28):
Haught who pinned the original military press release he categorically confirmed that the existence
of flying this gets better though in a sworn affidated he stated that the craft was egg shaped and was
found at the site so you dig deeper you start getting into this egg shape of what all Walter Haught's

(01:41:53):
talking about so now we're getting a clear picture this is getting into what I've been trying to
connect to the occult here this ties into recently Jake barber who came out use the big whistle blur
that had that egg shape aircraft that supposedly that he filmed underneath hit the aircraft that they
were in and that was circulating everywhere well that also ties into the amelantra workings with

(01:42:17):
Crowley and Rodi minor and amelantra talking about the child and it's all in the egg and they see an
egg when they're in there with the wizard amelantra so I'm gonna get in deeper into that in part two
but I just want to say that I find it interesting that these crafts have very similar features to

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things that are seen in what occultists have seen in the astral for a long time fascinating in fact
I actually have a bit on Jake barber in the egg shape craft in my majestic wealthy so we're we're
clicking on all cylinders here Joel I knew this would be good man it's been great man this is a good
start part two comes out next week guys we're going to have a blast with that too Isaac if you can't

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hey man I'm getting tired of showing you the lies you're so called to win the higher than in the mid-比賽 fight
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what happens when the ceiling is the floor oh say any luck behind the door oh
let go is to divide your intelligence and pride but I think you're infantile and I don't know why I try

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when I think reality is concrete cracks from the truth began it's on me goes from another time tried on me
but all they brought me was the best on the moon when I think reality is concrete cracks from the truth

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began it's on me goes from another time tried on me but all they brought me was the best on the moon
what's behind the curtain I don't know I'm digging in the days
they say I'm on a spare track I'm digging out
crash man I need stress I'm a villain

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what's behind the curtain I'm digging in the days
they say I'm on a spare track I'm digging out
I'm digging out
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what happens to divide your intelligence and pride but I think you're infantile and I don't know why I try

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