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What if the government used psychics to spy on secret bases and then actually found them?
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What if remote viewing, MK-Altura, and UFOs weren't just fringe conspiracy theories,
but part of an ongoing intelligence operation cloaked in disinformation and occult rituals?
I sat down with the man Rider Lee to expose the real history of Project Stargate,
the psychic spies, and how alien disclosure might just be government word magic.
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This one's wild don't listen.
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So as you know, I got a special guest today, so I don't want to keep you too long,
but we're going to get into Rider Lee's experience and research of the Stargate project.
We're going to talk about the secrets of this US military program that was about gathering
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intelligence through remote viewing and psychic abilities, possibly affiliate with MK-Altura type
experiments, you know, went through Stanford research institute.
So we've talked about some of the documents that this is based upon his evidence,
the subjects of the heat interview that we're actually doing to remote viewing,
and various names you're going to recognize how put off with his big Joe Rogan appearance recently,
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Pat Price, Ingo Swan, Russell Tark.
And we're going to discuss how we're going to actually works.
And if alien disclosure is part of this moment,
the man's got a wealth of knowledge.
He is the host of Rage by John's podcast, and I'm going to put his link tree in
linking the show notes, right?
So you can check out his podcast.
I just made an appearance on there recently, so you can check that out for more.
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And then also he's a film producer.
I interviewed him and Jay Wagner, because they did this awesome Kubrick's Odyssey 3,
Clockwork Shining.
I interviewed them a couple of months ago now, and that's also a fascinating list.
And so scroll back on your podcast feed to find that for more.
Also in this interview, we are discussing some stuff that you can see on the screen.
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So you can check out the video version and kind of follow along with what we're talking about.
So without further ado, here's the great writerly.
The biggest question in all of our human existence is whether or not we're alone.
So today I brought on a returning champ to this podcast.
He's the director of a clockwork shining Cooper, X Odyssey 3 and JFKX solving the crime of the
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century collaborating with the great J. Whydner.
And he's the host and producer of Raised by Giants podcast today.
He's our local expert on unpacking this strange realm of intelligence agencies using
occult methods to make contact with alien entities.
His name is writer Lee and he's back to drop knowledge.
Welcome back to occult symbolism and pop culture writer.
What's going on, Isaac?
Thanks so much for having me back on really appreciated.
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I'm looking forward to diving into this topic, my friend, because there's a lot to unpack with this
thing and how put off was just on Joe Rogan.
So this is freaking perfect timing.
And I got to say that everything that how put off set in the Joe Rogan show is 100% true
about remote viewing because he was the one that kind of started that.
And that's all right.
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But everything that he said about UFOs, I 100% disagree with.
We can unpack that a little bit.
I haven't listened to it yet.
So it's on my list of things to do here this weekend.
Y'all ought to unpack that with you because I did want to bring you on because
I like most of the audience I would assume know what project stargate is, but
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perhaps don't know all the details.
There's in the world of ufology, there's a lot of disinformation and misleading ideas
and people claiming these connections to secret space programs that maybe aren't.
And I know you've spent a ton of time digging into this.
So I wanted to kind of pick your brain for a little bit.
Our last show, I had you and Jay Weiner on to talk about Kubrick's Odyssey 3.
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And it sent me down this, I want you to send me down a spiral of research into
Catcher and the Rye.
For the first time I actually read the book.
And I did this two-part analysis because it was fascinating because it did sort of
read like an MK Ultra Mind Control Killer book.
So yeah, it was a fascinating talk, but I wanted to get you back on it talk stargate because
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I know you're the man.
So where do you want to, where do you propose we start with the whole thing?
Do you want to give a little brief overview of what stargate is, what your background with interest
in it? How do you want to go with this?
Well, that's also a connection between the Clark Works Shining and Kubrick's Odyssey 3 with us as
well because Danny is like basically through the trauma that Danny suffered is what unlocked
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these psychic abilities within him.
And that's essentially what Danny is kind of doing is remote viewing the future
because he has these psychic abilities.
And that's what Army and DIA.
Seeing the future, seeing what things were going to be happening, collecting intelligence data for
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foreign assets, mainly during the Cold War and it ran up until '99 until it was to be transferred
to the CIA and then the CIA got it and then shut it down.
So that the no one by valuable intelligence data had ever been collected from the program and
that was their justification for shutting the entire program down.
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And what got me interested in it was researching MKUltra and reading all of the 149 MKUltra subprojects.
And when you're reading through all of those, you'll see that there are five MKUltra subprojects
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that were dedicated to the research of psychic abilities.
And then while I was reading that I was like, okay, well, I know that the government were using
psychics at a period of time. So is MKUltra and the Stargate psychic stuff connected?
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And then I started reaching out to the people that I could verify that were in the Stargate MKUltra,
I mean, Stargate, remote viewing unit.
That's how confusing the stuff gets is. There's so much stuff going on. It's very convoluted and they
make it very difficult for people to find factual information about it online and especially with
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Trump's AI Stargate stuff. Like now when you type in the Google like Stargate data, it's just like
you just get all kinds of stuff. And then plus you have like Stargate SG-1.
You have all these people using the Stargate term, but that term actually was developed by DelGraph in
1992. I had DelGraph on my show. He's been on my show like three times. He was the operations manager
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for the psychic spies that the AI and Army Intelligence were doing. And he created the term Stargate.
It ran by many different names. It has switched titles. It has switched names. It's gone
back and forth between DIA, Army Intelligence several times. The Air Force was involved.
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But one of the first things that we need to kind of dispel like out the gate is that this isn't a CIA
program. It was never a CIA program. The CIA literally had nothing to do with this other than funding
SRI in '72, which was the research side of this. And we're going to get into all this because it's
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I have my notes here because it's too much to remember all this stuff. But the only involvement
of the CIA had was funding SRI in the very beginning to research, remove viewing. And they had
people like Pat Price, they had like Ingos Juan and like a few others that they were doing psychic
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research on. And that's what How Put Off was talking about on Joe Rogan, like the very beginnings
of him getting into being a, you know, getting into remove viewing and working at SRI.
And I had mentioned in my show that I did with Donut that How Put Off is a Scientologist, which
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he 100% is a Scientologist. And some people called me out on that like online and was like,
"Well, you mean how Put Off is a Scientologist? You're lying about how Put Off being a Scientologist
and go right to his Wikipedia page?" Yeah, I was at an impression. He was a, in fact, a Scientologist.
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And do you think that connects us into, because when I interviewed Dr. Jacques Vallet a few weeks ago,
he mentioned some, when we were talking, he basically was lying out of this idea that if we want
to understand the phenomenon, we have to sort of explore the realm of the occult. And he mentioned
something about Scientology, like the early Scientology days being some kind of connection
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into this whole thing. Do you think that that's, and then of course, you know, with the foundations
of Elrond Hubbard's Scientology connected to Jack Parsons? Like to me, it seems like these things
are all kind of connected. And maybe it's, we're going through a weird kind of disclosure on that
right now, because I don't think 60 years ago this would have been a popular or acceptable topic to
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claim that Jack Parsons anti-Christ and Elrond Hubbard were on the desert, jacking off and
opening up portals. And I think, I think the masses would be like, what do you guys smoke and what
are you talking about? You know what I mean? So yeah, this Wikipedia article right here says,
put off took an interest in the church of Scientology in the late 1960s and reached what it was
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known as OP level seven by 1971 put off a wrote up his wins for Scientology publication,
claiming that to achieve remote viewing abilities. In 1974 put off, we're also wrote a piece
for Scientology's celebrity magazine stating the Scientology, giving them a feeling of absolute
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fearlessness, put off served all connection was severed all connection with Scientology in the late 70s.
And like that's that's what people were saying. They were coming at me on on X and on Facebook for
seeing that put off was a Scientologist. You had left the church. Okay. Do you think it's relevant to
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do you think it's relevant to the the arguments of whether or not, you know, like like this does
the Scientology teach these people something about how to make contact, how to remote view. I mean,
there must be something there. I've you dug into that at all. I mean, I know that they keep kind of
guarded secrets in the such church of Scientology. So maybe that's not public knowledge.
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I really have him because Scientology is a whole other rabbit hole that I would rather completely
avoid. Yeah, and it's dangerous, right? It's dangerous. They'll literally come after you and
stalk you and gang stalk you and. Who stuck outside of your house and shit and I just don't, I just don't
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even want to do. Yeah, yeah, I got you. So, so with the foundations of Stargate, I think the sort of
normie version would be the CIA was funding projects to do some remote viewing. Russell Tard was working
at SRI or it was connected with SRI at Stanford Research and they did a bunch of experimentation of
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remote viewing and I guess officially over the years they said it didn't really work or wasn't
conclusive that it works. So then they shut it down. But when you look at the modern day
uofology movement and folks like Chris Bledzo or Dr. Stephen Greer who claim that with the right sort
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of focus or energy or whatever or or or inherent psychic abilities, right? Like you were saying with
Danny Torrance from the shining that there is this ability to make contact. But so that's where it
gets kind of confusing to me is like, so were they successful in this and they're just kind of lying
to the public and maybe they change the name of Stargate. I'm not really sure what what to make of all
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of that. Okay, well let's get into it right here because this is this is the 100% real information,
all this information that I'm about to speak about now comes from official documents, official
declassified Sunstreet briefing document and it also comes from the SRI Syndicate document which was
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from 1973. So where all this starts is with SRI Stanford Research Institute. But the government was
also doing studies on what they refer to in the documents as parapsychology with Duke University
in the 30s Parapsychology Foundation in New York in the 50s, Mind Science Foundation in the 60s.
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So they had an interest in this for a really long time and they did other research foundations and
centers even earlier than SRI. But the thing that kicked off this whole remote viewing stuff was SRI
and this was in the 70s and early 70s. So to establish a little background on SRI is SRI is essentially
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a government contractor. I mean they're very first research project investigated whether a plant can
be used as a source of natural rubber. So from 1942 to 1946 and then the funding was cut by Congress
after World War II and then SRI's first economic study was for the United States Air Force which is
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very important to remember now because later on we get into more Air Force stuff. That's where
Dale Graf comes in that I just mentioned that created the term Stargate. He had a small remote
remote viewing unit at Wright Patterson Air Force Base which was involved with locating a missing
airplane which we're going to get into here just a few minutes. So in 1947 the Air Force wanted to
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determine expansion potential for the U.S. aircraft industry. SRI found that it would take a really
long time to escalate the production and emergency. So in 1948 SRI began researching consultation with
Chevron Corporation to develop an artificial substitute for coconut oil in soap production. So
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the reason for mentioning all that is to establish that SRI is working for the government.
That SRI is a government contractor and we know what government contractors are like Raytheon
and all these Lockheed Martin and all these big aerospace types of companies. They're essentially
a front for the intelligence community. And it's also establishing that SRI worked for the Air Force
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and was getting funding from the Air Force prior which is very important. But in 1972
the United States are being surging general through the intelligence information agency
together with the DIGAY then published studies of Soviet blockwork in psychoanergetics. So they got
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information that the Russians were using psychics to collect intelligence data on the United States.
Also in that same year SRI Stanford researchers too stated that they started their research in
psychoanergetics in 1972 with how put off in Russell Turg. They did a series of investigations
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into the psychic phenomenon which was sponsored and funded by the CIA and had consciousness
researchers in Goswan, Pat Price and this is all documented in the syndicate documented from 1973.
Syndicate was an SRI program to determine if removing or psychoanergetic phenomenon was real because
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if it was possible that the subjects in the beginning and SRI could be using their minds to collect
information how are they getting that information? Are they getting that information subliminally?
Are they getting that information somehow through memory? So they started running a bunch of tests
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and during the testing, Goswan was given a coordinate and he described some kind of military
base. Now this is known as coordinate removing. There are several different versions and different
names of different types of removing but this is known as coordinate removing where a coordinate
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is given to a remover. They then are able to view whatever has been imbued upon that coordinate.
The coordinate now gets really confusing because the coordinate really doesn't have to be
what the location of what the person is viewing. So the coordinate is actually just like it can be
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any series of numbers. So the person that's giving the coordinate to the person essentially has to
imbu and imprint what they want the remove viewer to see onto the numbers. It's a very complicated
problem. You can't just sit down and remove you something. That's not how removing work.
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So all these fake remo viewers online that are saying that they can that they removed you and
article that they removed you this alien base that they removed you the underground bases in the
United States. It's all nonsense garbage bullshit. You can't one you can't know what you're removing
because whenever you know exactly what it is that you're removing your mind then creates things
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that you're supposed to see. Oh I see yeah I read a I read a experiment that was done to remote view
Mars I believe I don't know if you've ever heard of that one. It's kind of a famous one and I believe
it was to rest our eye and stargate and I want to say I want to say my from my memory serves that
that was the deal was that they didn't tell the the person who was doing the viewing like hey you're
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going to Mars it just gave them some location and and it also was a million years ago or something
crazy like that. So you're saying that you see someone online who's like our remote view the moon
the the dark side of the moon right now like that intention that is baked into it already sort of
like makes it misleading. Exactly. It's impossible to do. Okay I didn't know that. Okay.
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Know the target like if I brought up this this readers digest of in Antarctica and started
scrolling through it and seen a picture of Antarctica and then I was like oh little let me
remove you that scenario that photo that was taken in time it's you're not removing anything you're
just using your imagination. Okay. Using any kind of psychic ability. So whenever this coordinate was
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given to Ingoswan he described some kind of military base in the woods okay and this was supposedly
in West Virginia. The coordinates was then given to a gentleman a businessman that was referred to
in the documents just as Pat they refer to him as Pat in the official documents but we now know
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his name as Pat Price. So when Pat Price got the coordinates to verify Egoswan's remote viewing of
this suspected military base in West Virginia he described the exact same thing in large detail
in this document is really incredible how put off was talking about it on Joe Rogan. It's insane.
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Like I have the document the Sunday good document and he's talking about wind speed he's talking
about the altitude the surrounding area he draws like a diagram of what it was that he was seeing.
So how put off in Russell Targ asking to view this location again and see if he could actually
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get inside of the facility with his mind. So he does it he gets inside of the facility. So he's
looking around the facility and you see documents on the table he was trying to obtain code word
information with his psychic abilities and he did he saw on the top of the desk papers that were labeled
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they were like fly trap mind run and there was like a file cabinet and one of the walls it was labeled
Operation Pool. Holders on the inside of the cabinet that had all kinds of code words on it that
revolved around the game of pool like Q ball 14 ball four ball a ball rock up whatever right
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and he said that the site vaguely seemed like hay fork or hay stack and he even got the names of
the generals at the facility. Now mind you this is a top secret military installation in West Virginia
that is to monitor like Soviet satellites. Okay very top secret no one really knew about this
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information and how they got the coordinate was they were doing this test and one of the people that
gave the coordinate had a cabin out in West Virginia and he thought that they were giving them
the location the coordinate of the cabin but right on the other side of the hill of the cabin
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was this top secret military base. Oh okay. So he got the names of the facility it was like colonel
hamlin major general George Nash Calhoun and this got the attention of all of the intelligence
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organizations if people can get into our facilities right and figure out information about what we're
doing. What can other countries do in other countries doing this and I just mentioned the rush they
found out the Russia was trying to use psych expires to collect intelligence data on the
on the United States which is another really interesting aspect of this because Russia got more
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Nazi scientists out of war war two than the United States got on paper. Now it's reported that the
United States got 1500 verified Nazi scientists and aerospace engineers right but people claim that it was
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20,000 but who really knows officially we got a lot of pressure
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Russia got around 6000 okay that's a lot of 90 scientists I didn't know there was that many
well half of them were scientists and space engineers and then the other half of them were their families
okay got it okay okay so they were just to clarify this is this this is a I haven't listened to the Joe
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Rogan yet this is the story that helped put off apparently tells on Joe Rogan recently
not all of it some of it he kind of does an abbreviation he doesn't go into the history of how
like what I'm getting into okay I'm briefly runs into you know talks about some of this stuff but he
doesn't actually give you a detailed outline of how everything went like essentially in order right
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okay so I'm sure that they were really freaked out by the fact that Pat Price and Ingos One could
remove you this top secret base that literally no civilian should ever know even existed so
in 1976 the missile intelligence agency expressed interest in the United States replication of
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claimed Soviet experiments into psychoanagetics right because that's the way that supposedly that's
the excuse that the intelligence community used to start up these programs even though that they
were funding SRI and they were like kind of shocked and like that this whole thing was real
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they kind of used the excuse to open up an official program that another country
could be using this and it's probably using this so we need to start up our own program
and wearing that same time the army the army analysis agency was also involved in the investigation
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of removing concepts with SRI so in 1977 US Army intelligence and security command
developed a project under the assistant deputy chief of staff for human intelligence and they
called this program gondola wish now this program was in Fort Mead so by 1978 the army intelligence
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conducted that well they essentially concluded that there was sufficient evidence to warrant this
psychics by psychoanagetics program to explore intelligence collections of psychoanagetics the army
then canceled the gondola wish program and they put like a security blanket over the army's interest
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in psychoanagetics and then they implemented a new program which was directed toward intelligence
collection using remote viewing psychics and that project was called grill flamethe use remote viewing
as a data collection or intelligence collection method on foreign targets that's what they say
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foreign targets right okay by 1987 in scom the United States Army Intelligence and Security
command they had all the personnel that they wanted in the program the training was initiated and
the person that trained their army personnel was in goes one at SRI so they took all of their army
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people all the army personnel to SRI in California in goes one would then train them and then they
would go back to Fort Mead and then they would you know be able to remove you so now the kind of the
issue that they ran into was would the information obtained from remote viewing psychics be accurate
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would it be reasonable and would the intelligence community accept it because it's one thing to say
that the stuff works or people going to listen to these psychics whenever they view something
number four is 1979 army in scom task to locate a missing naval aircraft this was the first
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grill flame operational remote viewing session and the remote viewer located the missing aircraft
within 15 miles of where it was down and based on those results in scom was then tasked to work on
additional targets and this forced the hand of ACSI to go into full swing operations and so they
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skipped over a lot of the training processes of the unit because they figured out all well this
works and we located this airplane then let's just go in the full fledges just you know skip over
any of the other training that he can goes doing at SRI now actually have a video here of Jimmy Carter
talking about it is actually a very difficult video to find a reasonable whole phone will walk
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out of with del graph when I brought him on before and I couldn't find the original video of it
type in Jimmy Carter
this is the one with del graph and you know actual okay here it is
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okay stop sharing bring it up on
here it is here's president Jimmy Carter this is safe to use this is so my channel
the only strange and inexplicable event that has been discussed publicly is that one time we had
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a small plane go down somewhere in Africa we needed very much to find out where that plane had crashed
and we were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites so the director of the CIA
he was also director of all the intelligence agencies heard about a woman in California that
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was a medium and he contacted her and she gave him the latitude and longitude of the planes
whereabouts and the next time one of our space satellites went over that area we located the plane
where she said it was so that was Jimmy Carter talking about the weird and strange
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talking to the psychic was used to find a missing missing airplane but what president Jimmy Carter
studies half true it wasn't a lady in California that was a misdirection it was del graphs small
remote viewing activity of right Patterson Air Force Base specifically an Air Force enlisted
woman named Rosemary Smith and also from what I've gathered and talking with the people that are
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part of the remote viewing unit she was also assisted by Gary Lingford of SRI which also helped
but the story is true but not exactly the way that Jimmy Carter tells it because this was before
the Stargate information was declassified so whenever he was talking about this it was still a
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classified program do you think that not to cut you off but do you think so when I'm hearing the
the foundations of Stargate it sounds a lot like the foundations of MK Ultra where we just so happen
to have all these Nazi scientists and all of a sudden we're worried that Cold War fears of Russia
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doing mind control experiments and brainwashing people that we need to do MK Ultra stuff and now it's
like okay and then maybe Russia's also remote viewing our documents so we need to study this and I
I'm always intrigued by you know because there's all this paranormal stuff involved with project
Stargate but then there's all these sort of conspiracies about it being linked into majestic 12 and
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we were remote viewing other countries UFOs in their hangars and talking to aliens is any of that
hold any weight or is that just speculative conspiracy theory talk when it comes to Stargate sounds
sounds like it's more focused on remote viewing than anything yeah it is focused on intelligence data
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collection now some people that were in the program have stated that they were
somebody was in their skip out water was in there and he had coordinates of bases that
extra terrestrial bases that pop price had remote viewed and he had those exact same notes
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in those coordinates and supposedly now they weren't allowed to do this so this was kind of like
he would use it as like a practice thing right he would you know give them these
range and like weird coordinates as and you would call them like I'm guessing is what was happening
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was like practice targets okay but supposedly
pop price remote viewed for alien bases on earth wow you can take that for whatever it is I mean
I tend to believe I mean pop price died in
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when did you die is either 75 or 85 I think it was 75 have you talked to you said you said you
said you did some shows interviewing del graph is that right yeah he was operations manager okay
did he ever mention anything about remote viewing UFOs or alien stuff yeah and so
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yeah several of them you know talk about how they would be not asked but they would be
removing some really weird and strange things specifically limb you can and limb you can't
in the movie the menu stereo goes as based off of limb you can't it okay okay and is like a pseudo
like comedy of what the IA and Army intelligence was actually doing yeah I remember watching it
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and thinking it was just silly and I feel like that's kind of like what you were talking about
earlier where if you search for terms like stargate now you get this AI stargate project which could
be related in a way if you if you believe in the AI as alien stuff and I had a similar experience when
when Edward Snowden whistle was the whistleblower for the NSA prism program and within I think a
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couple weeks Katy Perry releases an album called prism the same exact spelling and everything and it
it they mud it muddies the waters and it just seems like there is a little bit of a coordination
that happens there sometimes same with like operation looking glass as well as soon as everyone started
catching on to what operation looking glass was the Allison Wonderland through the looking glass came out
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all interesting so then whenever you typed in like looking glass like that's all that would pop up
with the Allison Wonderland movie so off-ascation so that when something becomes interesting they then
throw out a bunch of fiction surrounding it now operation looking glass isn't a isn't what people
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think that it is operation looking glass is actually a program ran by the Air Force to put a nuclear
control station platform in space oh wow it's not to see into the future or whatever it is that
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they claim project looking glass actually what I mean just type in operation looking glass into
Google and you'll see that it was a Air Force program to put a airborne national command post
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in space hmm here it is and so on on the topic of disinformation oh there you go
operation looking glass or operation looking glass or operation looking glass as an historic
codename for the airborne command control center operated by the United States in more recent years
it has been only efficient referred to as airborne national command post it provides a command control
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of U.S. nuclear forces in the event of ground-based command centers have been destroyed or likewise
rendered imperable which is an event the general officer aboard the looking glass services
airborne emergency action officer so it's literally to put a nuclear command post
national nuclear command post in space do you so do you think that this information extends to
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the you you mentioned the how put off interview on Joe Rogan which part of that did you think maybe
he wasn't forthcoming is that what you were trying to imply I didn't really I didn't catch the
interview so I'm not sure what to think of it and no just as a whole idea and his outlook on like
UFOs like he believes that they're 100% extraterrestrial and aliens are coming here and like all that and
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I don't believe that at all I believe it's all our technology oh you don't even believe in
a interdimensional aliens you just you think all of us just not real okay I mean I believe in entities
of course there's no one under person believe that there's entities like all around us oh okay
but there's no physical entities I got you so like this you're you're you're okay with the
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disembodied spirit stuff because a lot of people are talking about AI being disembodied spirits that's
not communicating with us and I think that's a fascinating angle I don't I don't know what to
make of it obviously but I do tend to believe in the interdimensional stuff but I'll put off
as more of a now these are nuts and bolts UFOs from planet and taboo rou that fly in and well he
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he he doesn't really exactly say he talked also about the interdimensionality okay like what they are
and if anything it's like plasma if anything is physical it's like it's not even really physical it's
like plasma entities and if other entities exist outside of the earth which we have no evidence
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for but if they do exist if there's other life on other planets they aren't coming here physically
and that's that's another thing about this remote viewing stuff that is connected to the alien thing
okay if other entities live outside of their earth on other planets they are they're not coming
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here physically they're using their consciousness to transport themselves by locating their cells
into our reality that's the only way they did they're not traveling through space
they're not traveling freaking thousands or millions of miles to come to earth and a craft and
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a nuts and bolts craft no they're using their minds and they're by locating into our reality
to here just like just like what can be done with remote viewing here
that is essentially by location where you can print your consciousness outside of your body
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go to a completely different place and then interact with your environment
and move objects and that's a that price and ingose one were they were they doing stuff like that
like where they think they were able to sort of appear to people who on the other end
yes oh okay I think so I mean I don't know if they can appear to be I don't know if people could
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actually see them because I think that that would be the the next evolution of like remote viewing
right it's it's evolved so much since it's inception okay so that would be like the
ultimate form of being able to remove you is to by locate your body physically to where someone
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else could literally see that's right there that would be like the most advanced form I don't think
that they were there but they definitely were able to manipulate the environment
someplace completely different than where they were
and like move things huh and do you think that the Stargate project you know it was officially shut
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now but do you think it's continued on under other names or something like that I don't think we
have a reason to believe that it didn't yeah yeah I find that strange that they studied it for so
many years and then after 20 some years they thought oh this is kind of a waste it's like you think
you would pick that up like within a year or two you'd be like oh we're spending our wheels here
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nothing's happening I can't imagine you'd study for 20 some years with zero you know proof or evidence
or results you know yeah you're not gonna fund something for what would it be like 16 or so years
started in 1978 ended in 95 so 16 70 years 17 years and fund all that and then all of a sudden
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to be like yeah there's then what happened was this is my guess the mission this is no not a part
of any official document it's just my thoughts on it is that they found a different use for it
and they couldn't take the people that were involved in the initial program which I have a
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photo here of all the people that were involved in the official Stargate program it's only 20 of them
so you got a friend Ken Bell Joe McMonigal Paul H Smith which I've had Paul H Smith on my show
before Mel Riley Limby Cannon I've had Limby Cannon several times before Charlene Kavanaugh
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Rob Crawford Robyn D David Moore House I've had David Moore House on quite a few times Greg
has F Holmes out water Linda A. Jean Lussman Tom M. Fern Gavin Angeliddi I've had an Angeliddi
on my show several times Gabrielle Patendale had James and Bill Ray those are the only people that
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were ever in this program so if your name's not on this list you were never in the Stargate
Remove You in Unit what about Ingo Swan his name is not on the list or he was at SRI he was never
involved he was a research someone that they were running the test on at SRI okay so Russell Tard
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how put off Ingo Swan they were strictly with the SRI sort of research arm of the Stargate project
but this is the actual people that what and what would these people do they would just kind of
just sit there and remote view to try to experiment to figure out how to do some intel and other
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countries and operations is that kind of what they would do every day for you know 40 hours a week
yeah and some of these people they weren't they would use kind of different methods like I'm
pretty sure Robin D here I'm pretty sure she's still involved in some kind of way I don't have any
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factual information on that but she is at least still working for the military I know for a fact
and today or either passed away dead or they're teaching remote viewing courses and they've
been on my show just like I mentioned Paul Smith's been on my show del graph has been on my show
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del's not on here he wasn't an actual remover he was just he was just the operations manager
David Moore House has been on my show Angela Ford which she changed her name from her last name
used to be Del foray or Del Del foray or something like that but then she just changed it to Ford
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or less and so forth but so that's what they're but Angela she did has a different kind of
method she does like an automatic writing method of like remote viewing and are they are they all
practicing different techniques in order to do this like they're like psychedelics involved maybe
or like we're kind of occult methods you just said automatic writing that's kind of you know a
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form of sort of channeling something to write things down did they all employ some kind of method
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well the way that it works is that you get the if you're doing coordinate remote viewing you get
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the coordinate then the imprint of what the person that gave you the coordinate has put onto
the coordinate is then what you remove you some people they don't this is the whole weird thing
with remote viewing it is like they people think that whenever you remove you like you
you'd literally see things in your mind like you're at the location like with your mind that's not the
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way that it works it's it's feeling you get you get feelings and you sketch these feelings down on
like a pad but then like you'll like get it like an intuition and like a feeling of like what the
area looks like like you don't like get you don't you're not like you're unless you're doing the very
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advanced form of removing like i was mentioning like the by-location stuff right then if you're
just doing regular remote viewing you're not there at the site seeing the site right so what are
ones that are like beacon exercises is what they call them where they would essentially
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view something through somebody else's eyes so they would have somebody out in the field
okay or they would have a target that's another person and then they would essentially
view through that person's eyes and like what they're seeing but that's different like
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corner-remove viewing is different all-bounder exercises is different extended-remove viewing is
different there's different things for all these different ways of removing so whenever people
just throw the banner of I don't know if you mean I can see it no you're not bro you're just sitting
down and you're closing your eyes and you're using your imagination that's what I feel like that's
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a fine line to sort of straddle between the two but it it it seems like after you know almost 20
years of research it sounds like they've got a more more handle on how you can properly do it perhaps
yes and like I mentioned there were several times that they were asked to remove you weird and like
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I think Ingos Wonson like the ring around Venus or something like that or one of the planets
before we even discovered that there was a ring around it because he was removing it so there's
a lot of really strange and weird thing but it was mostly focused like the Stargate program was
mostly focused on foreign targets so they were trying to collect intelligence data on foreign
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assets like Joe McMonagal would he remove viewed this giant submarine that was being built inside
of a hanger and like no one really believed them that they were like building the submarine like how
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are they building it he'd describe it and he drew it all out with these like giant like shafts
and like arms and stuff like that and then it turned out that that's exactly what they were doing so it's
like yeah it's really wild but I let's finish up on this whole history thing because I don't have too
much more so the budget was cut between the army working with DIA because they thought that the
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program had been double funded so then they cut funding army intelligence then split from DIA
the two separate groups army intelligence then developed a different program so army DIA had two
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separate programs at this point it was called one of the army intelligence was called center lane
so then in 1983 uh gentlemen signed a memorandum allowing the resources to be re-allocated
and used to support army's program so they reversed the budget cuts of what happened before
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they created the army splitting from DIA so in 1983 the army removed viewing special access program
center lane was decided to be merged back with DIA's girl flame program okay so 1984 it was decided
that the center lane army special access program that was split from DIA because they thought that
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it was being double funded uh should be uh mixed back in with DIA's girl flame so in 1985 the transfer
began from army center lane project the DIA's girl flame program and that became known under the
banner of a DOD special access program then the funding was restored and then the name changed again
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then it was called sun streak and after those combined army intelligence kind of like got out of
the way because they just took all the people that were working for army intelligence and combined
them back with DIA but now it's under a DOD banner so it's a DOD special access program that the DIA is
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running and this was to use psycho energetics um remove viewing as a way to you know collect in 100
percent intelligence data so the program ran under sun streak until 91 and then it was changed to
stargate by del graph he changed the names uh out of his own words because he felt that it described
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what they were doing better with you know the human potential aspect of like what was going on there
so in 95 the program was to be transferred to the CIA from the DOD and the DIA CIA got their hands on it
like as mentioned in the very beginning said the no intelligence data had ever been collected from
the program and they shut it down which 100 percent was not the case and all the documents that I have
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and all the documents that I've read these remov viewers were they turned out to be very accurate
they had drawings descriptions of areas altitude the freaking win rate uh you know very descriptive
details that they were getting by using their psychic abilities the removue and abilities so
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all and another thing was that the air force uh the air for whenever the CIA cut funding to
SRI the Air Force jumped in and started funding SRI from 76 onward so you know the DIA Army Intelligence
they had a contract with SRI they had contracts with a lot of people because this is another confusing
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aspect of it where people say all this was a CIA program well the CIA was involved they were funding
SRI but a lot of these other intelligence agencies were also giving
tasking to DIA so the NSA uh CIA were like Air Force they were giving tasking to DIA for the
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remov viewers to you know look at things for them okay so that's where the confusion come in but
okay that's that's a uh history of the Stargate Removing that's fascinating so it's it's it's it's
kind of misleading uh to say it's a CIA program because it's kind of changed hands and possession
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of bunch of times uh it's kind of misleading to say it was an alien contact program as well uh you
didn't seem to you didn't seem to find any official connections into that there were
that didn't didn't seem like that was the main thrust of the research if there was maybe a couple
of uh loose points where it connected into that but not not the main angle um but that that is interesting
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it makes me wonder if because when you see the the modern day disclosure movement and people like
David Grush the whistleblower saying stuff that well there's a sort of quantum aspect to this whole
thing implying it as interdimensionality or you know dr. Jacques Vallet implying that maybe there's
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some methods of contact that we need to consider that might be you know quote unquote occult
I feel like it's almost like all that research must I mean it must have continued on and it must be
tapped into today I mean even if it shut down in the late 90s it surely got resurrected at some point
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now that they're trying to do this sort of mass disclosure effort upon the public do you do you
do you think that those do you see anything where those pieces connect in with the modern day
disclosure movement that that maybe there's there's elements like you know how put off going on Joe
Rogan to talk about it that's that's got to be looked at as a possible piece of the disclosure slow
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slow drip disclosure on the masses I do think that it's connected I just don't know exactly how it all
is related in that aspect but it definitely has something to do with consciousness and that makes
sense if these entities aren't physical entities that's the only way that it makes sense yeah yeah
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yeah I'm with you contact them if you can contact them like spiritually or through meditation or
hallucinogenics for all that shit like they're not physical beings right right we never were physical
beings did did you got that's another thing that how put off talks about in the Joe Rogan episode he's
he's like a lot of these craft that we've recovered were found archaeologically
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like Bob Lazar says right so they were dug up okay so they're old old ass craft
now we're found this wasn't like recent times shit and that's that's another thing that they're
doing with this entire UFO and alien topic and narrative is that they're using word magic
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it's all word magic they use certain phrases to make you think that they're talking about one thing
when they're really talking about something completely different like with crash retrieval like with
national security threat like with alien invasion okay all these words and all these titles have
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multiple meanings but when the public hears them and people in this community hear them
they think one thing when they really mean something completely different just like non-human
intelligence okay non-human intelligence is AI that's what Dave Grasch talks about he's like
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there were non-human intelligence non-biological okay non-biological non-human intelligence
is just a coincidence that we're coming up in this AI age and that term now becomes popular
that's what AI is crash retrieval doesn't mean that we saw a craft crash out of the sky or we
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saw it on our radar crash retrieval can be something that you dug up from hundreds of years ago
or thousands of years ago that has been here or freaking ever if mean you picked up right now we went
to Afghanistan we started an archaeological dig we found some weird strange craft in the ground
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that would be a crash retrieval doesn't matter how long a period of time has lapsed in between
you finding the craft and the craft coming down it's still a crash retrieval it's word magic they're
using word magic alien invasion okay from 2020 to 2024 we had an alien invasion on our border
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okay trump comes in stop staleian invasion deports all the extra trustreals that are not from this land
back to their to their where they came from okay whenever we go to a different country
Isaac we are aliens we are not born there we are not from there if we went to Afghanistan right now
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we would be aliens we would be legal aliens but we would still be considered alien because we are not
from that part of the world so it's word magic play that they're doing dude that's exactly what it is
and that's what everyone has been talking about for how long have they been talking about the fake
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alien invasion right that's why I'm always torn I don't know I don't know what to believe I mean it's
really hard for me to stick to one one argument because it's so multifaceted but you did great work
on the projects stargate stuff if you want to tell the folks where they can catch because you like you
said you've got multiple interviews with people that were in the program if you want to tell them
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the best place they can catch all of those episodes in the national security thing too the national
security thing isn't that we're worried about them being in our airspace the national security
threat is that if other countries find out that it's our technology that's flying around in our
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airspace then we're exposed then they can duplicate it then they have then they know that it's our
technology so it's better for them and the public and everyone to believe that these are extraterrestrial
crowds coming from outer space because if you keep them on extraterrestrial narrative then they'll
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never realize that it's our own craft that we have developed that we've been developing since the
late 1800s at the Sonora era club in California with the airships and then later on in Nazi Germany
and then we brought all the Nazis over here and then all of a sudden something crashes two years
later in Roswell that was a test flight that was a test flight for new technology that NASA and these
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other companies were developing I mean I see the angle there it's definitely one of the potential
truths of what this is as like like the new the new Jersey drones right that was a big thing and
then just you know a few months ago that new Jersey drones and nobody knew what it was and
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and then all of a sudden they come out and said like oh no it was just I forget I think they said
there was an FAA exercise or something crazy and it just I don't it just didn't make sense to me
when you see all the videos of what was out there but I mean that would make sense if it was merely
a way to test out our craft and then they foreign countries believe that this is extraterrestrial
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technology and there's no point in trying to replicate it or or to sort of maybe undersell how
advanced our technology is you know so fascinating stuff but yeah yeah I'm gonna wrap up here
in just like so when you think of it there's nothing that you can do about extraterrestrials right
people think that extraterrestrials are so freaking advanced that there's nothing that we can do about
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extraterrestrials okay but if it's our technology then there's 100% something that we can do about it
because it's human technology so they'd rather keep it in the realm of you can't do anything
about these crafts they are they're flying with impunity they're over our space they're doing
whatever it's a national security threat but that's not what it is but thanks for having me I'm
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hope everyone enjoyed it thanks for having me on yeah that was outstanding thanks I'll put links in
the show notes for all your stuff and we're definitely all gonna check out your interviews with
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the the Stargate players so thanks again for coming back on appreciate you
all right I hope that clarified some of this mystery behind project stargate
remote viewing all the weird occult fringy stuff because I do think it's gonna be part of the
disclosure movement for uap because as you heard about with my interview with dr. doc valet the
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that's a man that would know what's going on he more or less advised that we got to understand
the occult if we want to understand the phenomenon so if you want more writerly he is the host of
great by Giants podcast I'll put a link in the show notes for his link tree where you can find him
and he's got a bunch of cool documentary style videos out you can get him on amazon and all kinds of
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places and check out my interview I did with him and Jay why not just a few months ago on kubrick's
Odyssey 3 so just scroll back up the feed you'll find it anyways yeah fascinating subject right
the world is a very strange world especially when you start understanding the occult underpinnings
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