February 5, 2024 • 28 mins
We talked with Creed Kemenah this week about his first experience at Volusia, what's coming up next, and what Jacob should order for lunch.
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Hello race fans, and welcome backto the Ohio Dirt Track Podcast. This
is the second episode of twenty twentyfour and we're back. We told you
we were coming back, and we'regonna keep chugging on through. We did
it. It was in twenty twentyfour with the first that yes, it
was in January of this year.I can't even remember what's going on,
much less how many episodes we've done. So this is the second second episode
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of twenty twenty four race season andwe're excited to have Creed Kimina on the
line with us this week. Freshoff the plane from Florida. You said
you flew black flew back from Florida, right, Yeah, we flew back
in on that. Okay, SoI've been back in town for a week.
We're going to talk a little bitabout that and what's going on with
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the season and what the plans arefor for twenty twenty four. So,
I I know you were in Florida, Belujah with the with the USCS first
weekend out of twenty twenty four.How did things go for you down there
and how did you how did youfeel about it coming home? Yeah?
First off, thank you guys forhaving me on here. I love,
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I always love doing stuff with youguys. But yeah, I don't know.
I think it. I think itwent well. I don't know how
much, how much better or worseit could have went. I mean,
it's our first time in Florida andit's first time as Lucia for me.
I mean, my dad canally,you know, tell me so much it
eventually I gotta, I gotta doit. So I was. I was
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proud how we showed that. Idon't think we went out and embarrassed ourselves.
I really am excited to go backdown for the four tens, if
anything, because I think that ifour four ten stuff, if it's hitting
in the cars on, I honestlythink that we could have a chance of
being competitive. I know it's likeprobably it's literally Knoxville. I mean,
if you think of it like they, it's Knoxville without the prelim I split
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up like it's four is really really, really hard. But I was.
I was proud of what we showed. I was gonna say. I mean
that looking at the field that wasdown there, I mean, you're you're
not gonna get a much deeper fieldother than you know, the three sixty
Nationals once you get down there too, uh or once you get to Knoxville.
So what what do you think wasthe biggest thing you were able to
take away from that weekend? Iwould say biggest thing. I don't know.
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I guess I always look at stuff, probably more negative than I should.
But I would say biggest thing thatI took away is that I have
to learn how to start a raceon a half mile. If I was
gonna say anything but good takeaways,I think that the more me and my
dad race the other, I thinkthe more we jail. And I think
that I think that we have notconflicting personalities, but we're the exact same
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person, so we get calm backat each other. But I think that's
that's just part of the learning curve. I think it was really good to
go down there at a place thathe was fairly good at, and yeah,
I don't know, I was justreally excited to be down there.
I think I think that's worth adocumentary right there, following you and your
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dad around with a camera for anight in the pits and see how that
goes. Yeah, I don't know, that would be that would be something
to watch about. So I theweek before you were down there, I
was watching Devin Moran was he doeshis live Facebook feeds shop talk. I'm
not sure exactly what he caused it, but he was talking a little bit
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about the shape of the track andtalking about the condition that they had it
in. It was a really goodcondition, but it sounded like, you
know, the track might have beena little bit different this year, or
the shape of it. I knowthis is your first time on the Lucia
Speedway, but how did you feelabout it? I mean, how did
you feel about the track pp andwhat condition it was in. I was
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I'm a race watcher. I'm justlike Jacob minus the goats and stuff.
I tike a Twitter account Kiminol racewatcher, but no, I'm a I'm
a race fan before a racer.I think, and I think the last
few years i've watched the lu shit'slike wow, Like that's not what I
remember it growing up. I mean, he's been kind of wet and heavy
and one lane. But I thoughtit was beautiful this weekend. I thought
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it was awesome. The whole LateMarble show, I watched all those and
I don't know my dad, hehasn't been down there since I think maybe
twenty nineteen. I think it wasthe last year we figured out people went
down there in the John Garvin car. If you guys remember that, that
was before it was the fifteen Kthough sounds right, Yeah, it was
the Red four at that time.But he said that, he said that
he feels like it's a lot moresandy. It's like we had a bunch
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of trouble with packing the radiator,and part of that is, I mean
we're running around the dirty air becausewe were really out front all weekend outside
of a be made so probably notsomething it's a flex. But yeah,
I don't know about the shape ofthe racetrack. I was expecting it to
be, uh there's a huge sweepingwhy D shaped. I mean, it
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was everything I expected it to beshape wise. I thought it raced really
cool. I didn't really realize howmuch of a shelf there actually is until
you've been evolution. My dad wastrying to tell me that, like how
you know, like when the whenthe cushion only gets because it never really
built a curve, it's more ofa cushion. It actually doesn't get walled
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up, just it's just kind offloor to dirt and you just kind of
lean on it. But yeah,I mean it can be like halfway up
or three courts the way up,but like three cours the way up,
it just kind of stops there becauselike the I don't know, the banking
and the racetrack like it almost meetsat a point. Like it's incredible to
see it and you can actually feelit inside the car, like when you
get over it, you just hangout there and part of it is the
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sand and stuff. But yeah,I thought the racetrack was beautiful. I
really did. I think I saidshape of the racetrack. I guess I
should be more specific. I thinkDevin was talking about the shape of the
surface of the racetrack and not theactual shape of the race. People people
were saying they changed it. Mydad thought it was a lot more uh,
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sandy and kind of gritty than ithad been in the past. Maybe
more towards like the East Bay oris the Lucia close enough to like the
ocean or the Gulf. I thinkit's on the ocean side where like the
tides affect it. Kind of likeI'm just gonna say, somebody told me
that that East Bay that's a realthing like that, that is a legit
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thing. East Bay like if thetides in or out or whatever will stay
wet the whole night and you cango down there's somewhere you can look like
see. I don't know if that'strue, if Lucia or not. I
didn't they dig that far to youinto it. But that's beautiful all three
nights. It was really fast early, but it it's like the offense put
on a really good race. Ithink, if you want to talk geography
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really quick, I think the SaintJohn's River runs between Volusia Speedway and the
Ocean. I grew up in SouthGeorgia Creek. That's I I was.
I was down there when I wasa kid. So I think I don't
know. I don't know. Imean, I'm not a scientist, but
I think it would take a lot. I mean, you know, maybe
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it changes humidity. I don't know, but it isn't an interesting phenomenon to
think about. I've heard a lotof people talk about that with East Bay
two. Yeah, I'd say,so you said you're going back down with
the four ten? Here is thatthis week? This wee yeah coming we
leave Monday again. Monday, andthen I fly down. Then we race
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Thursday, Friday Saturday or maybe WednesdayThursday, Friday Saturday with the Alas.
I don't know. I think it'sa seventh through the tenth. I'm pretty
sure I got practice day and thenI think we're only off a day or
two, and then we go HighLimited East Bay and then I think we
have a day off and the HighLimited East Bay. Then there's the practice
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day for the three sixty, theKing of three sixty, and then there's
the two or three nights racing whateverthat is with the King of the three
sixty. So you're gonna be downthere in the next couple of weeks,
yeah, ye, next two weeks, and then we'll come back and be
back for I think a week anda half, and then we go back
down for the Biker Deal and Marchthe third, and I'm wanting to look
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for flights now you go. Ilove it. I love don there,
not only because of the weather,but it's just it's awesome. People are
great. I really can't ask formuch more of the seventeen and go down
and run Volusia or Florida or wherever. East Bay all right, and it's
it's against competition that you're not goingto see a lot throughout the year.
You know, you don't get alot of these guys that you know race
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up in a Higowa a lot.So it's different competition which helps out too.
Yeah, kind of see where youstay. Mm hm oh man,
it's gonna be seventies. It's gonnabe in the seventies. The port of
coldest cord that I thought it wouldbe. Everyone was telling me that bundle
up when it gets when it getsto fifty, it's a real thing.
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Yeah, it feels different. Now, well, I mean, you know,
you you spend all day in thesixties sixty five seventy degrees and then
it drops twenty degrees at night,so it's you know, it's a little
bit different than Ohio, and we'rekind of conditioned to, you know,
being somewhat cold all day long.So when it drops down to sixteen,
we're like, yeah, it's justsixteen. But down there it's you can
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you can really feel the difference.M hmm. I mean, we we
have a warm thirty five and acold thirty five in Ohio, So I
agree. I think even earlier thisyear, I said we had a warm
eighth degrees, like it was eightdegrees and I mean I was out in
jeans and a hoodie because the sunwas out. So I don't know,
probably make Florida people have a aneurysmor a stroke or something. But man,
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when I moved up here thirteen yearsago, I got in my car
one day to go to work andit was negative fourteen, and I said,
I thought to myself, what haveI done? Like what has happened?
But I think it's been It's beenabout thirteen years, and I think
I'm okay with it now as longas it moves out before race season starts,
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right right, we'll see if weget lucky. What was that eighth
with it this year? Yeah,it literally started out with oneth and a
half arenas last year pretty much.That's awesome. I think I think my
first two races last year were bothpavement races. I think I did like
NASCAR at Richmond and then I thinkI did a five hundred sprint to race
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at Anderson in April before I didany dirt stuff. So it was it
was a while before we got ondirt last year at least. So yeah,
speaking of let's talk about that.So obviously we'd I mean, we've
already got one weekend in Florida.You got several more incredibly excited to watch
that as it goes goes on overthe next couple of weeks. But what
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are the plans when we get inthe race season here in Ohio? What
are you what are you expecting todo? Obviously things have changed, the
landscape of things has changed a littlebit with the All Star and the high
limits situation. But we're still goingto be racing like we have been locally
in Ohio over the last you know, however many years it's been. So
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what do you do? You knowwhat you're gonna do yet? Do you
have plans or you still kind ofwork that out? Yeah, I mean
I've kind of I've kind of siftedthrough schedules. I saw Fremont drop their
schedule. What was that yesterday ortwo days ago? I think that's really
awesome that they're gonna pay twenty forthe Ford. I think that's really cool.
I don't think that's sanctioned or anything, but like off off my head
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like stuff like that. That's thetype of stuff that I could pick out
earlier and tell you and like,I'm assuming we'll run all the el door
shows that we can and all theOutlaws shows and stuff like that at Attica,
And we'll probably be at Attica mostmost Fridays, just because if you
know, we're not gonna be somewherefor a whole weekend. It's thirty minutes
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from the house, forty minutes.But I like, I like switching it
up on Saturday, just because there'sso many places to race. I mean,
you know, Freemont. I Iguess I have a I have kind
of a lackluster performance record at Fremont. I feel like there we've We've had
maybe one or two good runs,but I feel like we we do worse
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more than not. But I'd liketo I'd like to get my confidence built
up there a little bit, ButI don't want to get locked into one
place. We're definitely not gonna runfor points anywhere. I think I went
through I went through the Outlaw scheduleand tried to pick out a bunch of
shows that were reasonable, Like,I like, I could see us going
out for just because you can't racetwo days at Knoxville. I could see
us maybe going out for a doubleheaderweekend at Knoxville or something like that.
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But I'm for the most part,we're just going to try to bounce around
and you know, get our buttsbeat for a year or two here.
I mean that that seems to haveworked out for a bunch of guys,
you see, you guys like CaleThomas who have just gone out and ran
a bunch with the All Stars,Outlaws whatever, and it, you know,
helped him out a lot this pastyear, you know, once he
got linked up with Jake Kaiser.I mean, they were one of the
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one of the top two or threeteams there at the back half of the
season. So it's not a badway to go. I'm also kind of
looking at schedules and picking out stuff, and I mean there's there's a lot
of good racing that's going on onin and around Ohio for the twenty twenty
four seasons, despite you know,the lack of the All Stars, you
know, local Series, Fast Seriesand everyone else has just kind of picked
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up the slack and it seems tobe a lot of money that people are
going to be racing for in Ohio. Yeah, I don't I don't think
that Ohio is going to suffer atall. You know, because of the
change with with the Highland and AllStars, I think it's gonna give the
local tracks an opportunity to really shine, especially when you consider one of those
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one of the conversations over the yearswas how is streaming going to change the
sport? And when we keep thatstreaming option here, Uh, if the
you know, if the contracts continue, then I think it's going to be
a better boost for what happens ona normal Friday night or a normal Saturday
night at at local tracks in Ohio. So I think this is an opportunity
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for us to really shine even withoutthe All Stars. Yeah, and I
feel like, maybe, you knowmy opinion, is it you know,
is it season at all? Youknow, really seventeen I've been I've been
doing this in Ohio now for threeyears. But I pay attention to the
whole time growing up. Whether itlooks like I did it, then it
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obviously. I listen to what mydad says or whoever else says. I
always try to form my own opinionand not just listen to what somebody says,
whether that be my dad or mygrandpa or even my mom. I
mean, I try to always formmy own just opinion. I feel like
that's probably the best way to goabout it, and I feel like maybe
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the Ohio tracks you kind of bandtogether. I feel I feel like growing
up over in Indiana pretty much racingover there, there was always two micro
tracks, which was Circus City andUS twenty four. I feel like they
literally not like it was a rivalryalmost, and I feel like that always,
Like I wish they would have beenable to run like a Friday Saturday
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or like a Saturday Saturday Sunday orsomething. But like, like, I
think the FCS feels really good justto kind of bring both tracks together because
at this point everyone needs to worktogether. And as I'm kind of looking
at my as I go through myschedule too, I don't see a whole
lot of overlapping dates for some ofthe big shows, which is good.
There are some like I think thereare a couple of tracks running when like
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El Dora has the Outlaws or whatever, but that's kind to be expected.
But you know, as I'm goingthrough these schedules, it's like, you
know, there's not a lot ofoverlap, and a lot of these local
guys are going to get a goodchance to race. Err some good money,
and I think that's definitely what isneeded for not only the drivers and
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the teams, but also the tracks, because that might help get a few
more butts in the stands if theyhave, you know, only one place
to go on a Saturday night orsomething. Yeah, so, but yeah,
going to twenty four again, twentytwenty four again, US talked about
your schedule a little bit. Whatwhat are some of the goals for twenty
twenty four besides getting your butt beatby the outlaws A bunch? I don't
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know. I guess I really haven'tsat down, and a lot of it
eyes I'm kind of looking at,you know, one goal right now,
and that's can I do it?Or can I know? And I think
all the other stuff gets all theother stuff gets thrown out. I don't
really want to set individual goals likeI usually would, and I'm usually a
big fan of individual attainable things,whether it be unreasonable, like whether it
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just be like there's really no chancethat could happen, but keep going for
that, or something that is reasonableand possible in the near future. But
I don't really think I want toput any I don't want to put any
sort of boundary on what we're goingto do, because I feel really confident
in what we what we're capable of, and me and my dad, if
we get rolling, I would sayI would say just finish, finish a
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lot of races and become consistent ona nightly basis. But I think I
think a goal, if I wasgoing to say just one goal overall,
would be race with the best,race with the best watch, and learn
would just be a sponge. Ilove how Jacob puts the drivers on the
spot and says, this is we'rerecording this, We're going to publish it.
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Immortalize what your goal is so thatin ten years from now somebody can
say I heard you on a podcastback in twenty four. I wish I
could win three features this year becauseif we go all suck that I'm gonna
look stupid. Right. Yeah,That's why I'm keeping a broad goal this
year. It could be a hugeIt could be a huge payoff for you,
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you know, if you say I'mgonna this is what I want to
do. Yeah, last year,literally anything could happen. I think we
were we were really going through anot necessarily dark times, but just down
on the mental I've blowing up thetwo engines and the four ten killing a
car and whatever else. Now,just we just weren't very good. We
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literally just weren't very good. Wewere going out in In my opinion,
I'm way too hard on myself.I'm way too over competitive. I'm not
gonna stop that though, because that'sthe track, but I would. I
told everybody, we're out embarrassing ourselves. This is embarrassing. We have to
we gotta do something. We gottaput this together. I mean, I'm
always wanted to say I might beatbehind or whatever else not and uh yeah,
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I think going into three sixty andwinning those few races there at line
on and good and running good upin Michigan, I mean that three sixty
though, it really is no joke. I'm not sure how people follow it,
but there are some there's some decentcars that run that, like that's
not a it's not a kittie,right, it's not it's not are And
I think that was a big confidencebooster for me. And it showed once
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I got back into four or tenfor a week or two and got that
comfortable, like we ran really goodat Attica. To the end of the
year, we were really competitive withthe All Stars, and I'm kind of
I can kind of change my focusbecause then rather than rather than saying,
all on, I'm really nervous ifI start here, I'm just trying to
make make the make the transfer,you know, or make the invert in
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the qualifying or now. Now atthe end of the year, I was
like, Okay, we need tomake regional, we need to make the
dash, we need to do thisand start in the first eight cars.
And I got a chance. Wegot to get the car better. Even
if we're good, I'm not hereto run you know, eighth or ninth.
I want to run one, twoor three. And I think that's
that's kind of mindset that changed atthe end of the year. It's like,
Okay, maybe maybe I can't dothis a little bit more than How
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is the communication between you and yourdad going, Like on race night,
I assume he's, you know,kind of your crew chief. So how
are you kind of like communicating youknow, what you're seeing in the car
to like, you know, tellinghim what you think you need and you
know, how consistent is it,like what you're feeling in the car to
what like he sees on the track. I spent the last two years really
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like locking in on understanding a racecar. Like here's that you can't tell
me what you think that you needor whatever else that you think that we
should do, or how you feelif you don't even understand how the car
works. So I feel like that'sthe biggest thing that's changed in the last
the last bit of time, islike I I understand what does what now,
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so I'm able to not I mean, help him on setup. That's
that's a completely different thing trying.He would never listen to that. But
I can tell him what I feeland maybe what it did feel like when
he had the car, like thisor that, And I think, I
think that's good. I think wecommunicate really good for the most part.
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He obviously raced his whole his wholelife, and he had a long,
long career, so he knows thatas soon as I got out of the
car, you know, we suckedand whatever else or we were good.
You know, just give me aminute. Yeah, I love working with
him. I don't I wouldn't wantto work with anybody else right now.
I think I'm in a really goodspot, so I would there. Our
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communication is pretty good. I meanwe both kind of act the same,
so he knows what he didn't wantpeople to do to him, so he
doesn't do that to me. Usually. I just had this like this karate
Kid vision mister Miagi and and DanielSon, where mister magis like, tell
me daniel Son, He's like,no, you're wrong, that's just what
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you think. But at the endof the day, you know, having
a guy like Chad Kemnall in yourcorner is not a bad thing at all.
He's only yeah, right, soyeah, And I think you know,
when we talk to you in acouple of years from now, you'll
you'll probably say, you know,a few years ago, I was just
able to tell him what the carfelt like, and then he knew how
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to respond to that. And acouple of years from now, you're going
to be able to get out ofthe car and pick up the wrench.
And you know that's that you wereyou said earlier, you were like,
I don't have I'm not that seasonedor something. I haven't been observing very
long. But I mean, you'rethe future. You're the right now of
the sport and the future of thesport. So I mean that's exciting to
see I'm trying. I'm realized.I want to be able to you know,
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obviously, in a perfect world,everybody wishes that they could just bring
the helmet bag and bold their seatin it and put their headsock, gloves
and helmet on and go and holdthe wheel, go around there, turn
turn left and back right a littlebit. But I don't know if we
have the everyone gets the perfect world. I think that for me to do
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what I want to do, Ineed to, you know, learn other
stuff and become valuable. I mean, I'm not saying that I don't think
one day that I could be goodenough to do that, because I I
sure do. I think everybody shouldthink like that. I think everyone everyone
should think that they're capable of it, because I mean, if you don't,
you're probably not capable of It's Ithink a lot of it's a mindset,
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at least that's how I try tolook at it now. But I
want to be able to bring valuablethings to a race team wherever we go,
whether that's me and my dad orwhether that's you know. Eventually I
get a ride with somebody and Ido prove that I that I can do
it, and I just want tobe valuable wherever I am. I just
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realized that I I grew up withthe Karate Kid and neither of you did.
So I just dated myself on thatreference, and you guys are looking
at me like, I don't getit. I mean, I grew up
in between. I think they dida remake and that was more of like
my brother's age, which should bemore like Creed's age. So I was
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kind of in between you, Hm, did you watch the Cobra Kai the
Netflix the newer I didn't like it. I don't know everybody loved it,
but it was like I thought itfelt like like a spin off, Like,
oh, I don't really like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's something
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weird about uh watching the Karate Kidwhen he's not a kid anymore. I
was like, we're not we're lookat him, he's he used to be
my age and now we're both DoI look that all? That's what I
kept thinking the whole time. Soanyway, Jacob, what that would have
been? Like? I do haveone more question. I need lunch.
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I my wife's not here. Ineed lunch. I need a recommendation from
Creed. Do I go for likethe taco bell. Do I go for
like McDonald's burger king can't do alittle seas there's not going to be in
a car all day tomorrow. Youare you wanting like fast food or like
you want more like you like sittingdown, but sort of probably probably fast
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food so I can bring it backto the house and eat it. Oh
McDonald's. He has the bag.Thanks, ex, that's gonna be a
McDonald's day. I think why McDonald'swasn't too bad, that's fair. The
one here in be Cyrus has kindof hit or miss sometimes, but last
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time I got it it was itwas pretty good, got fresh fries,
so I can't complain about that.That wouldn't like the one. The one
there at the parking lot of theairport is is quality always has been?
Is that where you are at Columbus? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I
drove off a little bit back towardhome. I just got off seventy one
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where thirty six and thirty seven isthe exit where you get off the right
where the Harley Davidson thing is.You know, there's the canes right down
the road there there is. Yeah, I had this so right on.
All right, Well man, weappreciate you taking the time. I know
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you were traveling today and and weappreciate you talking to us. It's always
good. It's good to catch upwith you. I didn't realize it's been
two years for some reason, Iwas thinking that it was the beginning of
last year. But uh, Idefinitely want to talk to you again,
probably between well, let's let's getback on between Florida and before we start
racing here in Ohio and uh,so we can we can talk a little
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bit about getting back out there withthe Outlaws of Ilujah, and uh we'll
have a better idea what the scheduleis going to be like. So I
think it'd be awesome to check inwith you a couple of times, a
couple more times this year. MYeah, i'd be I'd for sure'd be
cool with that. Thank you guysfor having me on here. The Creed
coming all chronicles there you good?All right, man, be safe and
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we appreciate your time. All right, Thank you guys so much. Yep,
all right, we appreciate you guystuning into the Ohio Dirt Track podcast.
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we add new episodes. And Jacob, do you have anything else before we
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do the outro here? I don'tthink so. No, not believe I
have anything. No jokes, no, no nothing, man, all right,
jokes on the hat, the jokeson the hat. Yeah, well
they can't see that, all right. Well, appreciate you guys. Until
next time, Get out, getdirty, support your local tracks Back in
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the stack, back st
Hello race fans, and welcome backto the Ohio Dirt Track Podcast. This
is the second episode of twenty twentyfour and we're back. We told you
we were coming back, and we'regonna keep chugging on through. We did
it. It was in twenty twentyfour with the first that yes, it
was in January of this year.I can't even remember what's going on,
much less how many episodes we've done. So this is the second second episode
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of twenty twenty four race season andwe're excited to have Creed Kimina on the
line with us this week. Freshoff the plane from Florida. You said
you flew black flew back from Florida, right, Yeah, we flew back
in on that. Okay, SoI've been back in town for a week.
We're going to talk a little bitabout that and what's going on with
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the season and what the plans arefor for twenty twenty four. So,
I I know you were in Florida, Belujah with the with the USCS first
weekend out of twenty twenty four.How did things go for you down there
and how did you how did youfeel about it coming home? Yeah?
First off, thank you guys forhaving me on here. I love,
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I always love doing stuff with youguys. But yeah, I don't know.
I think it. I think itwent well. I don't know how
much, how much better or worseit could have went. I mean,
it's our first time in Florida andit's first time as Lucia for me.
I mean, my dad canally,you know, tell me so much it
eventually I gotta, I gotta doit. So I was. I was
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proud how we showed that. Idon't think we went out and embarrassed ourselves.
I really am excited to go backdown for the four tens, if
anything, because I think that ifour four ten stuff, if it's hitting
in the cars on, I honestlythink that we could have a chance of
being competitive. I know it's likeprobably it's literally Knoxville. I mean,
if you think of it like they, it's Knoxville without the prelim I split
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up like it's four is really really, really hard. But I was.
I was proud of what we showed. I was gonna say. I mean
that looking at the field that wasdown there, I mean, you're you're
not gonna get a much deeper fieldother than you know, the three sixty
Nationals once you get down there too, uh or once you get to Knoxville.
So what what do you think wasthe biggest thing you were able to
take away from that weekend? Iwould say biggest thing. I don't know.
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I guess I always look at stuff, probably more negative than I should.
But I would say biggest thing thatI took away is that I have
to learn how to start a raceon a half mile. If I was
gonna say anything but good takeaways,I think that the more me and my
dad race the other, I thinkthe more we jail. And I think
that I think that we have notconflicting personalities, but we're the exact same
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person, so we get calm backat each other. But I think that's
that's just part of the learning curve. I think it was really good to
go down there at a place thathe was fairly good at, and yeah,
I don't know, I was justreally excited to be down there.
I think I think that's worth adocumentary right there, following you and your
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dad around with a camera for anight in the pits and see how that
goes. Yeah, I don't know, that would be that would be something
to watch about. So I theweek before you were down there, I
was watching Devin Moran was he doeshis live Facebook feeds shop talk. I'm
not sure exactly what he caused it, but he was talking a little bit
(03:45):
about the shape of the track andtalking about the condition that they had it
in. It was a really goodcondition, but it sounded like, you
know, the track might have beena little bit different this year, or
the shape of it. I knowthis is your first time on the Lucia
Speedway, but how did you feelabout it? I mean, how did
you feel about the track pp andwhat condition it was in. I was
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I'm a race watcher. I'm justlike Jacob minus the goats and stuff.
I tike a Twitter account Kiminol racewatcher, but no, I'm a I'm
a race fan before a racer.I think, and I think the last
few years i've watched the lu shit'slike wow, Like that's not what I
remember it growing up. I mean, he's been kind of wet and heavy
and one lane. But I thoughtit was beautiful this weekend. I thought
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it was awesome. The whole LateMarble show, I watched all those and
I don't know my dad, hehasn't been down there since I think maybe
twenty nineteen. I think it wasthe last year we figured out people went
down there in the John Garvin car. If you guys remember that, that
was before it was the fifteen Kthough sounds right, Yeah, it was
the Red four at that time.But he said that, he said that
he feels like it's a lot moresandy. It's like we had a bunch
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of trouble with packing the radiator,and part of that is, I mean
we're running around the dirty air becausewe were really out front all weekend outside
of a be made so probably notsomething it's a flex. But yeah,
I don't know about the shape ofthe racetrack. I was expecting it to
be, uh there's a huge sweepingwhy D shaped. I mean, it
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was everything I expected it to beshape wise. I thought it raced really
cool. I didn't really realize howmuch of a shelf there actually is until
you've been evolution. My dad wastrying to tell me that, like how
you know, like when the whenthe cushion only gets because it never really
built a curve, it's more ofa cushion. It actually doesn't get walled
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up, just it's just kind offloor to dirt and you just kind of
lean on it. But yeah,I mean it can be like halfway up
or three courts the way up,but like three cours the way up,
it just kind of stops there becauselike the I don't know, the banking
and the racetrack like it almost meetsat a point. Like it's incredible to
see it and you can actually feelit inside the car, like when you
get over it, you just hangout there and part of it is the
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sand and stuff. But yeah,I thought the racetrack was beautiful. I
really did. I think I saidshape of the racetrack. I guess I
should be more specific. I thinkDevin was talking about the shape of the
surface of the racetrack and not theactual shape of the race. People people
were saying they changed it. Mydad thought it was a lot more uh,
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sandy and kind of gritty than ithad been in the past. Maybe
more towards like the East Bay oris the Lucia close enough to like the
ocean or the Gulf. I thinkit's on the ocean side where like the
tides affect it. Kind of likeI'm just gonna say, somebody told me
that that East Bay that's a realthing like that, that is a legit
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thing. East Bay like if thetides in or out or whatever will stay
wet the whole night and you cango down there's somewhere you can look like
see. I don't know if that'strue, if Lucia or not. I
didn't they dig that far to youinto it. But that's beautiful all three
nights. It was really fast early, but it it's like the offense put
on a really good race. Ithink, if you want to talk geography
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really quick, I think the SaintJohn's River runs between Volusia Speedway and the
Ocean. I grew up in SouthGeorgia Creek. That's I I was.
I was down there when I wasa kid. So I think I don't
know. I don't know. Imean, I'm not a scientist, but
I think it would take a lot. I mean, you know, maybe
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it changes humidity. I don't know, but it isn't an interesting phenomenon to
think about. I've heard a lotof people talk about that with East Bay
two. Yeah, I'd say,so you said you're going back down with
the four ten? Here is thatthis week? This wee yeah coming we
leave Monday again. Monday, andthen I fly down. Then we race
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Thursday, Friday Saturday or maybe WednesdayThursday, Friday Saturday with the Alas.
I don't know. I think it'sa seventh through the tenth. I'm pretty
sure I got practice day and thenI think we're only off a day or
two, and then we go HighLimited East Bay and then I think we
have a day off and the HighLimited East Bay. Then there's the practice
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day for the three sixty, theKing of three sixty, and then there's
the two or three nights racing whateverthat is with the King of the three
sixty. So you're gonna be downthere in the next couple of weeks,
yeah, ye, next two weeks, and then we'll come back and be
back for I think a week anda half, and then we go back
down for the Biker Deal and Marchthe third, and I'm wanting to look
(08:30):
for flights now you go. Ilove it. I love don there,
not only because of the weather,but it's just it's awesome. People are
great. I really can't ask formuch more of the seventeen and go down
and run Volusia or Florida or wherever. East Bay all right, and it's
it's against competition that you're not goingto see a lot throughout the year.
You know, you don't get alot of these guys that you know race
(08:52):
up in a Higowa a lot.So it's different competition which helps out too.
Yeah, kind of see where youstay. Mm hm oh man,
it's gonna be seventies. It's gonnabe in the seventies. The port of
coldest cord that I thought it wouldbe. Everyone was telling me that bundle
up when it gets when it getsto fifty, it's a real thing.
(09:13):
Yeah, it feels different. Now, well, I mean, you know,
you you spend all day in thesixties sixty five seventy degrees and then
it drops twenty degrees at night,so it's you know, it's a little
bit different than Ohio, and we'rekind of conditioned to, you know,
being somewhat cold all day long.So when it drops down to sixteen,
we're like, yeah, it's justsixteen. But down there it's you can
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you can really feel the difference.M hmm. I mean, we we
have a warm thirty five and acold thirty five in Ohio, So I
agree. I think even earlier thisyear, I said we had a warm
eighth degrees, like it was eightdegrees and I mean I was out in
jeans and a hoodie because the sunwas out. So I don't know,
probably make Florida people have a aneurysmor a stroke or something. But man,
(09:58):
when I moved up here thirteen yearsago, I got in my car
one day to go to work andit was negative fourteen, and I said,
I thought to myself, what haveI done? Like what has happened?
But I think it's been It's beenabout thirteen years, and I think
I'm okay with it now as longas it moves out before race season starts,
(10:20):
right right, we'll see if weget lucky. What was that eighth
with it this year? Yeah,it literally started out with oneth and a
half arenas last year pretty much.That's awesome. I think I think my
first two races last year were bothpavement races. I think I did like
NASCAR at Richmond and then I thinkI did a five hundred sprint to race
(10:43):
at Anderson in April before I didany dirt stuff. So it was it
was a while before we got ondirt last year at least. So yeah,
speaking of let's talk about that.So obviously we'd I mean, we've
already got one weekend in Florida.You got several more incredibly excited to watch
that as it goes goes on overthe next couple of weeks. But what
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are the plans when we get inthe race season here in Ohio? What
are you what are you expecting todo? Obviously things have changed, the
landscape of things has changed a littlebit with the All Star and the high
limits situation. But we're still goingto be racing like we have been locally
in Ohio over the last you know, however many years it's been. So
(11:26):
what do you do? You knowwhat you're gonna do yet? Do you
have plans or you still kind ofwork that out? Yeah, I mean
I've kind of I've kind of siftedthrough schedules. I saw Fremont drop their
schedule. What was that yesterday ortwo days ago? I think that's really
awesome that they're gonna pay twenty forthe Ford. I think that's really cool.
I don't think that's sanctioned or anything, but like off off my head
(11:48):
like stuff like that. That's thetype of stuff that I could pick out
earlier and tell you and like,I'm assuming we'll run all the el door
shows that we can and all theOutlaws shows and stuff like that at Attica,
And we'll probably be at Attica mostmost Fridays, just because if you
know, we're not gonna be somewherefor a whole weekend. It's thirty minutes
(12:09):
from the house, forty minutes.But I like, I like switching it
up on Saturday, just because there'sso many places to race. I mean,
you know, Freemont. I Iguess I have a I have kind
of a lackluster performance record at Fremont. I feel like there we've We've had
maybe one or two good runs,but I feel like we we do worse
(12:33):
more than not. But I'd liketo I'd like to get my confidence built
up there a little bit, ButI don't want to get locked into one
place. We're definitely not gonna runfor points anywhere. I think I went
through I went through the Outlaw scheduleand tried to pick out a bunch of
shows that were reasonable, Like,I like, I could see us going
out for just because you can't racetwo days at Knoxville. I could see
us maybe going out for a doubleheaderweekend at Knoxville or something like that.
(12:58):
But I'm for the most part,we're just going to try to bounce around
and you know, get our buttsbeat for a year or two here.
I mean that that seems to haveworked out for a bunch of guys,
you see, you guys like CaleThomas who have just gone out and ran
a bunch with the All Stars,Outlaws whatever, and it, you know,
helped him out a lot this pastyear, you know, once he
got linked up with Jake Kaiser.I mean, they were one of the
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one of the top two or threeteams there at the back half of the
season. So it's not a badway to go. I'm also kind of
looking at schedules and picking out stuff, and I mean there's there's a lot
of good racing that's going on onin and around Ohio for the twenty twenty
four seasons, despite you know,the lack of the All Stars, you
know, local Series, Fast Seriesand everyone else has just kind of picked
(13:43):
up the slack and it seems tobe a lot of money that people are
going to be racing for in Ohio. Yeah, I don't I don't think
that Ohio is going to suffer atall. You know, because of the
change with with the Highland and AllStars, I think it's gonna give the
local tracks an opportunity to really shine, especially when you consider one of those
(14:07):
one of the conversations over the yearswas how is streaming going to change the
sport? And when we keep thatstreaming option here, Uh, if the
you know, if the contracts continue, then I think it's going to be
a better boost for what happens ona normal Friday night or a normal Saturday
night at at local tracks in Ohio. So I think this is an opportunity
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for us to really shine even withoutthe All Stars. Yeah, and I
feel like, maybe, you knowmy opinion, is it you know,
is it season at all? Youknow, really seventeen I've been I've been
doing this in Ohio now for threeyears. But I pay attention to the
whole time growing up. Whether itlooks like I did it, then it
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obviously. I listen to what mydad says or whoever else says. I
always try to form my own opinionand not just listen to what somebody says,
whether that be my dad or mygrandpa or even my mom. I
mean, I try to always formmy own just opinion. I feel like
that's probably the best way to goabout it, and I feel like maybe
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the Ohio tracks you kind of bandtogether. I feel I feel like growing
up over in Indiana pretty much racingover there, there was always two micro
tracks, which was Circus City andUS twenty four. I feel like they
literally not like it was a rivalryalmost, and I feel like that always,
Like I wish they would have beenable to run like a Friday Saturday
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or like a Saturday Saturday Sunday orsomething. But like, like, I
think the FCS feels really good justto kind of bring both tracks together because
at this point everyone needs to worktogether. And as I'm kind of looking
at my as I go through myschedule too, I don't see a whole
lot of overlapping dates for some ofthe big shows, which is good.
There are some like I think thereare a couple of tracks running when like
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El Dora has the Outlaws or whatever, but that's kind to be expected.
But you know, as I'm goingthrough these schedules, it's like, you
know, there's not a lot ofoverlap, and a lot of these local
guys are going to get a goodchance to race. Err some good money,
and I think that's definitely what isneeded for not only the drivers and
(16:15):
the teams, but also the tracks, because that might help get a few
more butts in the stands if theyhave, you know, only one place
to go on a Saturday night orsomething. Yeah, so, but yeah,
going to twenty four again, twentytwenty four again, US talked about
your schedule a little bit. Whatwhat are some of the goals for twenty
twenty four besides getting your butt beatby the outlaws A bunch? I don't
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know. I guess I really haven'tsat down, and a lot of it
eyes I'm kind of looking at,you know, one goal right now,
and that's can I do it?Or can I know? And I think
all the other stuff gets all theother stuff gets thrown out. I don't
really want to set individual goals likeI usually would, and I'm usually a
big fan of individual attainable things,whether it be unreasonable, like whether it
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just be like there's really no chancethat could happen, but keep going for
that, or something that is reasonableand possible in the near future. But
I don't really think I want toput any I don't want to put any
sort of boundary on what we're goingto do, because I feel really confident
in what we what we're capable of, and me and my dad, if
we get rolling, I would sayI would say just finish, finish a
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lot of races and become consistent ona nightly basis. But I think I
think a goal, if I wasgoing to say just one goal overall,
would be race with the best,race with the best watch, and learn
would just be a sponge. Ilove how Jacob puts the drivers on the
spot and says, this is we'rerecording this, We're going to publish it.
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Immortalize what your goal is so thatin ten years from now somebody can
say I heard you on a podcastback in twenty four. I wish I
could win three features this year becauseif we go all suck that I'm gonna
look stupid. Right. Yeah,That's why I'm keeping a broad goal this
year. It could be a hugeIt could be a huge payoff for you,
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you know, if you say I'mgonna this is what I want to
do. Yeah, last year,literally anything could happen. I think we
were we were really going through anot necessarily dark times, but just down
on the mental I've blowing up thetwo engines and the four ten killing a
car and whatever else. Now,just we just weren't very good. We
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literally just weren't very good. Wewere going out in In my opinion,
I'm way too hard on myself.I'm way too over competitive. I'm not
gonna stop that though, because that'sthe track, but I would. I
told everybody, we're out embarrassing ourselves. This is embarrassing. We have to
we gotta do something. We gottaput this together. I mean, I'm
always wanted to say I might beatbehind or whatever else not and uh yeah,
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I think going into three sixty andwinning those few races there at line
on and good and running good upin Michigan, I mean that three sixty
though, it really is no joke. I'm not sure how people follow it,
but there are some there's some decentcars that run that, like that's
not a it's not a kittie,right, it's not it's not are And
I think that was a big confidencebooster for me. And it showed once
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I got back into four or tenfor a week or two and got that
comfortable, like we ran really goodat Attica. To the end of the
year, we were really competitive withthe All Stars, and I'm kind of
I can kind of change my focusbecause then rather than rather than saying,
all on, I'm really nervous ifI start here, I'm just trying to
make make the make the transfer,you know, or make the invert in
(19:37):
the qualifying or now. Now atthe end of the year, I was
like, Okay, we need tomake regional, we need to make the
dash, we need to do thisand start in the first eight cars.
And I got a chance. Wegot to get the car better. Even
if we're good, I'm not hereto run you know, eighth or ninth.
I want to run one, twoor three. And I think that's
that's kind of mindset that changed atthe end of the year. It's like,
Okay, maybe maybe I can't dothis a little bit more than How
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is the communication between you and yourdad going, Like on race night,
I assume he's, you know,kind of your crew chief. So how
are you kind of like communicating youknow, what you're seeing in the car
to like, you know, tellinghim what you think you need and you
know, how consistent is it,like what you're feeling in the car to
what like he sees on the track. I spent the last two years really
(20:26):
like locking in on understanding a racecar. Like here's that you can't tell
me what you think that you needor whatever else that you think that we
should do, or how you feelif you don't even understand how the car
works. So I feel like that'sthe biggest thing that's changed in the last
the last bit of time, islike I I understand what does what now,
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so I'm able to not I mean, help him on setup. That's
that's a completely different thing trying.He would never listen to that. But
I can tell him what I feeland maybe what it did feel like when
he had the car, like thisor that, And I think, I
think that's good. I think wecommunicate really good for the most part.
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He obviously raced his whole his wholelife, and he had a long,
long career, so he knows thatas soon as I got out of the
car, you know, we suckedand whatever else or we were good.
You know, just give me aminute. Yeah, I love working with
him. I don't I wouldn't wantto work with anybody else right now.
I think I'm in a really goodspot, so I would there. Our
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communication is pretty good. I meanwe both kind of act the same,
so he knows what he didn't wantpeople to do to him, so he
doesn't do that to me. Usually. I just had this like this karate
Kid vision mister Miagi and and DanielSon, where mister magis like, tell
me daniel Son, He's like,no, you're wrong, that's just what
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you think. But at the endof the day, you know, having
a guy like Chad Kemnall in yourcorner is not a bad thing at all.
He's only yeah, right, soyeah, And I think you know,
when we talk to you in acouple of years from now, you'll
you'll probably say, you know,a few years ago, I was just
able to tell him what the carfelt like, and then he knew how
(22:15):
to respond to that. And acouple of years from now, you're going
to be able to get out ofthe car and pick up the wrench.
And you know that's that you wereyou said earlier, you were like,
I don't have I'm not that seasonedor something. I haven't been observing very
long. But I mean, you'rethe future. You're the right now of
the sport and the future of thesport. So I mean that's exciting to
see I'm trying. I'm realized.I want to be able to you know,
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obviously, in a perfect world,everybody wishes that they could just bring
the helmet bag and bold their seatin it and put their headsock, gloves
and helmet on and go and holdthe wheel, go around there, turn
turn left and back right a littlebit. But I don't know if we
have the everyone gets the perfect world. I think that for me to do
(23:00):
what I want to do, Ineed to, you know, learn other
stuff and become valuable. I mean, I'm not saying that I don't think
one day that I could be goodenough to do that, because I I
sure do. I think everybody shouldthink like that. I think everyone everyone
should think that they're capable of it, because I mean, if you don't,
you're probably not capable of It's Ithink a lot of it's a mindset,
(23:21):
at least that's how I try tolook at it now. But I
want to be able to bring valuablethings to a race team wherever we go,
whether that's me and my dad orwhether that's you know. Eventually I
get a ride with somebody and Ido prove that I that I can do
it, and I just want tobe valuable wherever I am. I just
(23:42):
realized that I I grew up withthe Karate Kid and neither of you did.
So I just dated myself on thatreference, and you guys are looking
at me like, I don't getit. I mean, I grew up
in between. I think they dida remake and that was more of like
my brother's age, which should bemore like Creed's age. So I was
(24:02):
kind of in between you, Hm, did you watch the Cobra Kai the
Netflix the newer I didn't like it. I don't know everybody loved it,
but it was like I thought itfelt like like a spin off, Like,
oh, I don't really like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's something
(24:25):
weird about uh watching the Karate Kidwhen he's not a kid anymore. I
was like, we're not we're lookat him, he's he used to be
my age and now we're both DoI look that all? That's what I
kept thinking the whole time. Soanyway, Jacob, what that would have
been? Like? I do haveone more question. I need lunch.
(24:48):
I my wife's not here. Ineed lunch. I need a recommendation from
Creed. Do I go for likethe taco bell. Do I go for
like McDonald's burger king can't do alittle seas there's not going to be in
a car all day tomorrow. Youare you wanting like fast food or like
you want more like you like sittingdown, but sort of probably probably fast
(25:11):
food so I can bring it backto the house and eat it. Oh
McDonald's. He has the bag.Thanks, ex, that's gonna be a
McDonald's day. I think why McDonald'swasn't too bad, that's fair. The
one here in be Cyrus has kindof hit or miss sometimes, but last
(25:32):
time I got it it was itwas pretty good, got fresh fries,
so I can't complain about that.That wouldn't like the one. The one
there at the parking lot of theairport is is quality always has been?
Is that where you are at Columbus? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. I
drove off a little bit back towardhome. I just got off seventy one
(25:52):
where thirty six and thirty seven isthe exit where you get off the right
where the Harley Davidson thing is.You know, there's the canes right down
the road there there is. Yeah, I had this so right on.
All right, Well man, weappreciate you taking the time. I know
(26:15):
you were traveling today and and weappreciate you talking to us. It's always
good. It's good to catch upwith you. I didn't realize it's been
two years for some reason, Iwas thinking that it was the beginning of
last year. But uh, Idefinitely want to talk to you again,
probably between well, let's let's getback on between Florida and before we start
racing here in Ohio and uh,so we can we can talk a little
(26:37):
bit about getting back out there withthe Outlaws of Ilujah, and uh we'll
have a better idea what the scheduleis going to be like. So I
think it'd be awesome to check inwith you a couple of times, a
couple more times this year. MYeah, i'd be I'd for sure'd be
cool with that. Thank you guysfor having me on here. The Creed
coming all chronicles there you good?All right, man, be safe and
(27:03):
we appreciate your time. All right, Thank you guys so much. Yep,
all right, we appreciate you guystuning into the Ohio Dirt Track podcast.
Make sure that you are sharing onsocial media Facebook, Twitter, wherever
it is you get your podcast.Subscribe so that you can get updates when
we add new episodes. And Jacob, do you have anything else before we
(27:26):
do the outro here? I don'tthink so. No, not believe I
have anything. No jokes, no, no nothing, man, all right,
jokes on the hat, the jokeson the hat. Yeah, well
they can't see that, all right. Well, appreciate you guys. Until
next time, Get out, getdirty, support your local tracks Back in
(28:11):
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