Episode 127: Justin Liskai and Jacob Cover All of it!

Brian Liskai joins Jacob Hord in Episode 127 to discuss the past, present, and future of Dirt Track Racing in Mid Ohio. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
All right, Race Sounds. We're back with episode twenty six
I think of the Ohio Dirt Track podcast, and tonight
we are joined on the phone with Justin list Guide,
director of operations, head honcho whatever you want to call
him there at Attica. Justin, how are you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, I'm doing quite fine, Jacob on this brisk evening
here in northern Ohio.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh my goodness, man, this is probably the coldest day
of the year. But I'm glad we saw the sun today.
I don't know about you, but I saw the sun
today for more than thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I did, yes, while I was shoveling my driveway. I
can't see the sun. It melted most of this off,
so that I thinked it.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
For that.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now. Justin, you are just exuberant, overfullly exuberant about being
on this podcast. I think you said it was the
crowning achievement.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Of your life. It pretty much was.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean when I got woken up by a text
at nine thirty ten o'clock the other night and I said,
who is texting me at this hour? And I said, wow,
that is the only thing I would answer a text to.
And because it is the crowning achievement of my life
right now, as far as as far as podcasting and
social media goes.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
And I mean, man, you have, you know, a wife
and what three kids at home and this is the
best you've I mean, I'm honored.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, I tell you what, I mean, you should be.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Why are you going to bed? Why are you going
to bed at o'clock?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Jacob?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I had three kids. They wear me out.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Huh. There's some nights where I am up till one
o'clock and then usually the next night I'm in bed
by nine thirty, ten o'clock. Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
And also I felt like garbage, So there's that.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Too, That's that's fair.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I caught a cold over New Year's Eve around there,
and because one of the kids gave it to me.
And yeah, so we're feeling better now though.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's good. That's good. We're We're glad you're back at
you know, mostly full health to be uh with probably
the most important interview of your life.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, So justin we'll do some we'll do some background
information for those who are listening who don't know who
you are. Uh see, you're to the director of Yeah,
you're you're not you're talking about Brian.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Let's let's get that first. Yeah, get that.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah. So one of my questions is now that like
you are your dad's boss in a way. Are you
Are you the still the son of Brian? Or is
Brian now Justin's father?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
How is that hierarchy?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Now? It depends on where we're at. Okay, we if
we're at the if we're at the race track, like
at Attica, he is he's Justin's dad. If we're somewhere
else at a racetrack, I'm I'm Brian's kid.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, that's how that works. Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah. When when we're in my kingdom, he's he's, he's,
he's that, he's.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
That lower step. When we're everybody else, he goes, he
gets that higher step.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
All right, Do you make it known that you are.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
His boss at Attica every once in a while, yes, Okay,
sometimes it has to be known.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
That's fair. I would use that power if I had it.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
So for those who don't know, you know, kind of
talk about your your background and racing, because you know
it goes back a few generations and you've kind of
been around this stuff your whole.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Life yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I I was talking to somebody the other day.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I said, you know, like when when you're born into it,
I said, you kind of really don't know what else
to do.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I said, you know, on the weekends.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know, my grandpa started racing back in the I say,
late sixties, early seventies. Then you know, my dad came
along and he worked on race cars and followed my dad,
or followed my grandpa, you know, around the country in
different places he went. And you know, like I said,
back in the pre outlaw days, and so you know,

(04:27):
they they traveled a lot. They would get the old
speed sports and look at him and go, all right,
where's where are we racing at this week? And then
him and Grandpa and Rick Ferkel and some of the
other you know locals around Ohio they'd go and travel
and go race and you know, have a good old
time back then. And then like I said, you know,

(04:47):
my dad helped out. And then he he got into
announcing over at Fremont in the mid eighties, eighty four
eighty five on to saves his first year, and so
you know, he he just kept on doing that, doing that,
and then then I was born, and you know, I
went to the races from time I was little, you know,
on and then when I was about I want to

(05:10):
say about sixteen, yeah, sixteen, I started working actually at Attica.
I started in the cleanup crew on Saturday mornings, which
I don't recommend that it's not a fun job. And
and then I also ran the old good old Corps
Light message center. Back then it was a it was

(05:32):
a doss system, and that was I tell you what,
that was quite the fun trip to do that. And
then at that same time I also filled in over
at Fremont, doing a lot of stuff over there, taking
tickets and.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Doing the fuel systems.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
And or doing like the fuel jugs and stuff like that.
And then eventually moved up over there to run the
pit tower.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Took over for.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Ja Engler over there, and then after around the pit
tower for a few years, which was probably the most
fun I've ever had in racing because I sat up
there with the likes of Darryl Harrison, Johnny Ouchster, Soup Sabo,
what's his name, Tommy Liser, Jimmy Liser's dad, Jim Linder

(06:21):
would come up there every once in a while, and
I tell you what it was with all those old
timers up there. I didn't get a word in edgewise.
It was it was fun. I would just sit in
the corner and literally just just watch and listen, and
that's all I could do. And it was usually uh,
soup and Oxter going back and forth calling each other

(06:44):
expletives and uh and and then you know, none of.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Them could hear.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
So I think the word, the word huh, and the
word what we're uttered probably a thousand times a night.
And so but anyways, after a while there went up
to the scoring tower over at Fremont, and I think
by this time, I think I had stopped working at
Attica and I was just working at Fremont up in

(07:10):
the scoring tower, running the scoring system, the transponders. Did
that for a while, and then even then into when
the fair board took over over there, and we're in
the race season of twenty nineteen, did that from or
was part of the racetrack board. Let's call it over

(07:33):
there for a year and then I was we were
pregnant with our second child, and I was like, you
know what, I've been doing this for a while since
I was sixteen, and I said, I think it's time
for a little break, and so I told the guys
that at Freemont, I said, I'm done, you know, after
this season. And I said, okay, So I took off
this and then you know, COVID hit and all that

(07:55):
fun stuff, and so missed out on all that, and
then still filled in at Attica and Fremont both when
they needed somebody in the scoring tower, of the pit tower,
push off lane or what have you. Because like I said,
once you get involved in this, you you can't get out.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
You just don't leave. And you know, I was talking
to Bobby.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Clark the other day, I talking to him about his
sponsorship with Fremont Fence and all that, and I said, somebody,
I said, Bobby, I said, how many times have you retired?
He goes, he goes? Not enough, because I keep on
coming back. I said, well, I said that you're not wrong.
I said, when you when you just don't know any bother,
you just keep on coming back. And you know, so then,

(08:40):
like I said, too, twenty twenty three, end of twenty
twenty three rolled around and you know got win that
they were looking for a you know, a new operations director.
And I said, well, I said, this is better time
than any other and put my name in the ring
and talked to John a little bit, and basically around

(09:05):
Christmas twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
It became basically became official that I was hired.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
And then you know, we had all of last season
and now here we are.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I want to go back, you said, the the cors
Light Message Center. Yes, what in the world this.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Is where you want to make your perch, Jacob Oh.
This was before the fancy message center that we have now.
The old one said it was sponsored by Corp's Light,
had big COR's Light banner on the top of it where.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
The O'Reilly banner is now.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And then this message board was probably half, if not
a quarter of the heights as far as the board
size goes, and it just basically had I can't remember
if it had anything during the race. I think it
had like the lapse, which I had to manually change
every lap. It might have had the top three or
five on there, you know, and it was literally something

(10:07):
you had to change manually.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Nothing was integrated.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
And but yeah, that was the mess the Corps Light
Message Center for a long time until I want to say,
probably about two thousand and nine or ten, when they
got the new board up and uh yeah, so that
was that was the good old, good old system. That
was I remember taking I remember literally taking that system

(10:33):
home the first year that John took over in two
thousand and six, taking it home in my bedroom and
trying to figure it out because they're from nineteen, you know,
forty six and that that was pretty fun. And but
then that new center came and I was just like
totally blown away that new message center. And now I

(10:55):
look at it and go, wow, this is so out
of date.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Right, It's crazy how technology goes.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
You look at what El Dora has and it just
you know, pales in comparison.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yep. So but it gets the job done.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
To me.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
It tells you the top three, it tells you the lapse.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
It gives you you know, heat race lineups and results
and times and all that.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
And it does what it's supposed to do. And that's
what we need it.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
For, right, I mean, what more could you know a
race fan need?

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
So have you started on my perch yet?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I'm talking with port Shop tomorrow. We're gonna come up
with some plans.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Okay, great for those who don't know, I'm I want
justin to build me a perch on top of the
you know, the what are the old the scoreboard. That's
what I'm looking for. I want justin build me a
perch on top of the scoreboard, so I can, you know,
have better social media updates. I've been working this angle

(11:55):
for you know, about a year now, Yep, getting there. Yeah,
you know, maybe maybe by the end of this upcoming
season we'll have you know, a two by four placed
or something.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Maybe if you're lucky, it might be a three by six, right.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Actually, well I have to take it out of my
pay yeah, exactly. So besides the the Corse Light message center,
what has been like the most enjoyable thing you've been
able to do, you know, throughout this racing path you've
been on.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh geez, it's hard to narrow that down.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I can help you. It's gonna probably one of the
top things is probably gonna be Saturday mornings with Jada
and cleaning up.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I was. I was just talking about his mom
the other day about something I said. She goes man,
you know, a warm night at the racetrack sounds good,
I said, yeah, I said, I can't wait till we
get back to our Shenanigans on Friday nights and Saturday
mornings with Jada trying to uh heckle is not heckle?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
What's the word I'm looking for? Get his pay better.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Always, but you know whatever, he's thirteen fourteen years old.
Good for him. He's uh, he's trying to get trying
to get me down or get me up on that pay.
And yeah, it never works, but you know it's it's
but back to yeah, the original question there. It's honestly,
it's just it's just getting to be around the racetrack

(13:23):
in general. You know. I the biggest question I got
after I left Fremont after the twenty nineteen season. You know,
so twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. You know, people say
when they they go, do you miss it? And at
that time, I said, when I'm not there, I said,
I don't miss it. You know. At that time it
was like if I was doing something out and about

(13:44):
or whatever, uh, you know, on a Saturday night and
or Friday night, and I said, and I wasn't there,
I said, I didn't miss it. But when I would
go to the racetrack to work or watch, which going
to a racetrack for me to watch is really weird anymore,
being that I've worked that one, like I said, for
more than half my life. It's very weird. Like if

(14:06):
you don't have if I don't have a purpose there,
if I'm not working, it's like it's kind of like
Teldega nights, Like what do I do with my hand?
It's like where do I go? What do I do?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
And it's hard for me to sit still.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'll sit down and watch a heat race, and then
I watch another heat race in another spot, and I'll
watch another heat race another spot, and I'm kind of
like that now even I mean, I don't I try
to sit down up in the press box to pay attention,
but I get up and move around, and you know,
it's like once I get to the track back to
that is I I do miss it because I'm all

(14:42):
the people. I guess that's the biggest thing is just
the people that you meet and and just the casting
characters that you meet over the years. You know, like
I said, it was trial by fire. I got thrown
into the fire. It's called it up in those pit
tower at Fremont with all those old timers. I mean,
I was sixteen years old and I'm like, what in

(15:02):
the world, what are you guys talking about? And you know,
it's typical race car drivers. They can remember a race
from nineteen seventy six, but they can't remember what they
had for breakfast that morning, you know. And so but
I think that the biggest thing, the most fun is.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Literally any race to me.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
And I know that's kind of what other stereotypical answer
whatever you want, call it generic answer, but it's true.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I mean, it's when I'm at the.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Racetrack, it's and I'm around my racing family, racing people.
It's just fun. You know. It's just that's where I've
spent most of my life, and so it's you know,
and that that's a fun thing. You know. Now, there
was a I forgot to add a couple of little
tidbits along my way there.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
See, I want to say it was two thousand and eleven.
It was twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I got to go on the road a little bit
with then the the All Star Late Models which was
Guy Webs series, and then the All Star Midwest Series,
and we I went got to go to a you know,
a couple of tracks over in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
At the time, I got to It was the first
time I had gone to then k C Atomic Share
in Lernaville, stuff like that, and that was fun. I
enjoyed that a lot too, the traveling.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Aspect of it. But uh yeah, So basically it's just
just a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
So now that you have, you know, a year under
your belt, you know, leading the way at Attica, what
this is going to be a two part question? What
was one thing that was more difficult than you thought
it would be.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Hm, that's a good question. More difficult. Oh, I don't know,
that's a that's a very good question. I haven't like
literally sat down to think about that, just because I
don't know. Mainly, once once stuff happens, it happens to me.
Like I don't really dwell on stuff too much. It

(17:11):
happens and I move on, I would say honestly, now,
and I think if you talk to any promoter across
the country, they'll tell you the hardest thing it wasn't
even this past season. It's probably them in the off season,
is is trying to.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Maintain your sponsors.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I think that part now when I say that, it's
just when you we're we are very lucky at Attica
to have a lot of sponsors that have been around
for close to twenty years, you know, and that's and
that's something that we take pride in and that's something
I want to continue, is you know, showing our sponsors appreciation,

(17:55):
saying thank you for helping us do what we can
do to bring the best racing product we.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Can in the state of Ohio.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
And you know, and without our sponsors, we we couldn't
do that, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
And it's the there are there's so many. And I
was just sitting down just.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Now about an hour ago, uh, you know, looking through
our sponsor list, and it's long, and it's the the
it's a good problem to have. But the hard part
is how do you think them all? I guess that
would be probably my answer to that question, is how
do you think all your sponsors.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
When you have that many?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
And and it's you know, right now, it's going through
and and and uh making some thank you for them
and telling them how much we.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Do appreciate them. And it's it's a it's a.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
It's a time consuming task, but it's a a h
A rewarding.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Task I guess in the long run.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
So, uh that the the sponsor relationships I guess would
probably be the one that I never really got to
do before that I had to do now. Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
And it's like I.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Said, it's just time consuming, but like I said, that's
a good thing, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
So, and then the second part of the question is
going to be what was something that you thought was
going to be difficult but actually turned out not to
be like that difficult at all.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I'm trying to think this might sound a little weird, but.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
The Outlaw shows and the like the Sanctions shows, it
was like it was a lot of work to get
up to them, but then like once they once everybody.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Got there, it was just like done. It felt like
so quick.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
And that that I you know, for the Brad Dorughty
Classic there, I told somebody, I said, I didn't get
to watch qualifying heat races. I don't think I watched
the B main. I think I watched the or. I
think I watched the dash and the B main and
the A main. And I said, but you know, it

(20:02):
was just the whole night was just like a blur
woom done. And you know, it's like I guess the
I thought those nights would would feel like they would
take forever, but it really. I guess the race night
in general, they all just to me, they all went
by so quick. When you're when you gotta be here
and here and here and here, the race night just

(20:24):
goes by so quick. And then then you finally sit
down at the end of the night and go, what
the heck just happened that? I mean I caught myself
some nights literally like I would just go everybody was gone,
the whole entire the pits were empty, everybody was gone.

(20:45):
I would just go sit in the stands and just
sit there for like five to ten minutes and just go, Okay,
what just happened?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
What did we just do? Who just won? Because there
are some nights I have to stop and think people
like who want to go? Who did when? Let me
think about this real quick.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know it's but I guess the race night in general,
it was something that to me, it just kind of
came natural, I guess because I had done so many
race nights in general before.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
I think the race nights were just, you know, just
smooth and quick and.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Easy, right, And it's probably one of those things that
like as you prepared through the week, you know, you
get to race night and you know, things just kind
of do what they're going to do. You know, things
kind of go off just how they're supposed to.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, and as long as you have, to me, as
long as you have the right people in the right
places and the right plans in process, everything goes smoothly.
And I know, you know, and the people say, oh, well, Race,
you know, you don't know, this happens, just happens.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
It's like you Over the years, you get to know
kind of.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
What's going to happen for the most part, you know,
and so you kind of prepare for that and have
backups to backups, you know, and certain things. But like
I said to me, the as long as you have
the right people and the plans in place.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
It's like clockwork.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
And we are very lucky at Attica that we've had
some of the same employees for I mean, you look
at it.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
At least for the last twenty years, if not the last.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Thirty years, you know, because I think at one time,
I think somebody told me like there had been I
think my dad's the third announcer, only the third announcer there,
like in the pit tower at one time there had
only been like two or three people in the pit
tower and you know, and stuff like that, and a
lot of the employees have been there for a long time,

(22:48):
and you know, it's that That's a big thing I'm
thankful for is the employees because you get them.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Everybody knows their deal.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Everybody realistically, very many people have to be told what
to do, and it's they just do their job, you know,
except for except for my social media guys.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Sometimes I have to get after him.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
He discovered off the rails. Sometimes, God him, he gets, he.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Gets, he gets the social media crowd wound up, and
sometimes it's hard to get him back down.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I know you need to nextly, just need to tone
him down a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
We'll work on that.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well maybe if you like, put him in a perch.
You know, you don't give him away down. You get
him up there. Yeah, you isolate him, You give him
you get him up into the perch, but don't give
him a way down until his attitude corrects itself.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I like the way you.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Even if it's like, you know, cold and rainy, like
you just make.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Him stay up there exactly. Sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Anyways. Uh So, what are like some of your goals?
You know, for like, you know, maybe twenty twenty five,
you know, looking out, you know, three five years there
at Attica.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Well, I I guess I've I've told a few people.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I've told you this, you know, I told some people this.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I said, my biggest goal is to get a non
wing race back at Attica. I just feel that that
our track is very very well is conducive to non
wing racing. I think it can put on a great show.
Especially with this new play that we have. I think
it will that would be a great showcase for a

(24:36):
non wing race. And that I mean when I took this,
took over for this job about a year ago, I
said that that was one of my main goals. I said,
I want a non wing race. I said, you know,
ideally a USAC race at Attica. And I said, I'm
still going for that, you know, and it's you know,

(24:58):
this year it might not have worked out, but you know,
I I want to be I want to get one soon,
you know, to have that there because I think our
fans deserve it. Uh you know, they deserve a non
wing USAC race just you know, just to have that
on the on the card would be nice. As for
this upcoming year. It's I mean a lot of it

(25:20):
is just keeping the show at a good time, you know,
getting getting done on time.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
At the beginning of the year, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I struggled with that, getting a couple of shows we
got we didn't quite start on time, and this and that,
and by I would say middle of May, you know,
we we we were on that track. We we pretty
much start on time. And I said that that's my
goal this year is to make sure every race is
you know, started at seven forty five. Uh. And that's

(25:49):
you know, with race cars being pushed onto the racetrack
at that time, and so you know, just just that
being on time thing, uh, you know, because and pushing
along and efficient sho you know, once we get.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Started, it usually is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I think, to me, a two and a half to
three hour show, I mean that that should be about
what we do, you know, and I think after that
people don't they they kind of lose interest. So, you know,
trying to get that that show and in a good
time and then continue to put on a good show,
you know. I that's my one thing now is I

(26:26):
want to try to get other things other than racing
to the racetrack.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
You know, to to bring people in.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I it's I constantly have things that pop up in
my head and I say, well that might work, and
I look at it and go, well that might not work,
and it's you know, it's just I don't have examples,
but just things that would try to you know, get
the average Joe to the race track and go, oh
that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Maybe I'll try that out.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
So that would, I would say, be some of my
my goals for the year.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I I mean you're talking things you know kind of
like a oh like college student night or you know,
things to get you know, those not normal is like
the wrong way to say it, but to get those
people that don't go to the races normally, you know,

(27:19):
to get the run.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And it's yes, something something it is different though, something
different that is not.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
On a normal night.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Like you said, it's like, you know, you see oh,
races racist racist races with a college I D night
or you know, races with this type of night or
this or this you know something else where they can
go oh, oh that's different, let's go check that out.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Just just you know, striking up.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
That that that that wants to do something different, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
So that right exactly. Stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
So this was another interesting off season here in Ohio
with the uh the rebirth of the All Stars. So
as you're you know, kind of working through all this
series and sanctionings and stuff. You know what, what's that
process like when you have you know, that All Star

(28:15):
series that's coming back just kind of under a new
under new leadership. You know what? What was kind of
all that like?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
It was.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Let's see what's the best word to look for? It
was fun, that's I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
It was you know, phone call after phone call after
phone call, you know, and trying to to get you know,
the best thing for Attic a raceway park. You know,
it says, you know, what, what what are we going
to do to put on the best show that we
can for our our you know, our great fans. And

(28:54):
it's it was going back and forth, back and forth.
And you know the way I look at it, the
I mean the All Stars, the All Star name in general,
the front Attica you know, to me ideally would be
the home of the All Stars. I know, like you know,
Fremont kind of gets that Moniker you know they did,
you know, years ago, But to me, it's both of

(29:16):
us just because that's that's just where what we've ran
over the years, you know, and it worked out so
and it works out so well.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
But in that's I did.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
People at the beginning of the twenty twenty four season,
I said, you know, I said, I'm more excited for
the off season than I had been for just the
twenty twenty four season in general.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
And it proved to be a fun one.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Uh, you know, just just with all the all the
moving parts that were involved. Uh, you know, and uh,
it's just like I said it, it came it came
down to what we thought was best for Attaka Raceway Park,
and that's you know, that's where that's what we went with.
And so uh but you know, and it was you know,

(30:02):
you got to hear this person out, You got to
hear this person out saying Okay, I can do this,
but what can you do?

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Or you can do this, but what can I do?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Uh, and going back and forth, and you know, and
and it and it just that's that's the way it
the cookie crumbles.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
And is it nice? I mean I literally just thought
of this, like is it nice? Just being able to
have that option of you know, we have a lot
of options I guess, you know, between you know, the
All Stars and the Fast Series and AFCs and I mean,
who knows what you know, power I was wanting to do.
But I mean, is it nice just having a plethora

(30:38):
of options of you know, shows that we can put
on for the fans.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yes, you know, especially when it's it makes it real
easy to make a schedule because when you look at it, uh,
you know, we have you know, the non senditory drink
World about lost sprint cars coming in two times. Okay,
so you already have those two dates. Then you know,
now we have the All Stars coming in. You know,
we have those five dates, so you know, there's there's

(31:06):
seven total dates there, and then you have the two
Valvelen iron Man Late Model Series comes in.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
You know, it's town to the beginning.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Of May and then the beginning of our end of
August there and you know, so that's nine races and
you know, so that's that's already a good chunk of
chunk of our schedule. And you know, you look at
that and go okay, and then it's like, now the
thing is it's a nice thing to have that, like
you said, but then it's like, okay, where do I
put them all or you know, it's like can I

(31:36):
accommodate all these? Or where can I accommodate these? And
you know, and that's the tricky part is you have
to chiptoe on that fine line up. Okay, will a fan,
will your average fan go to this, this and this
and this or you know what, will they pay the
ticket price of this, this, this, and this? And you
you look at it here and go, okay, well you

(31:58):
can't just have We're we are a weekly racetrack with
big events. We're not any event, you know track where
it's like that's all we run, you know. And it's
so you look at it and go, okay, what once again, what.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Works best for us?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And it is you look at it and go, okay,
I can plug this one in here, plug this one
in here, plug this one in here, and then that
you know it is it is kind of nice, you know,
to have those have those options to go either way
whatever way you want.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
So, speaking of the schedule, I'm sure you're you know,
kind of putting the finishing touches on it, you know,
getting sponsors nailed down for what night they want to
be on. You know, are there you have any tricks
up your sleeve for the schedule or is it just
kinda you know, you know, be our our bread and
butter that's worked so well for the last you know,
however many years.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, it's it's kind of going going to that because
I mean, I I always went to the old adage,
no matter what I was was doing when I was teaching,
when I was in sales, it's if it's not broke,
don't fix it, right, you know. And and at that point, uh,
you know what when we look at I go back
to when you look at the different things that you

(33:13):
just plug in, plug in, plug in, it just kind
of just makes sense.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
It just works there, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
And you know, like we have the the corn Mainspring
Nationals at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
You know, that's a mainstay.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
People know it's coming and you know when it is,
you know, and it's you know, there's a two day
show right there at the beginning of the year. Uh,
you know, guys can come up from you know wherever, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, wherever,
you know, knock the rust off and get a.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Season going, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And then then you go into you know, May and
you know, we got the Outlaw Show. It's which moved
from kind of middle of May to Memorial Day weekend,
which I think will be a big, a big show.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think that's a good move. You know, some people
were worried about it.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I said, no, I don't think so, I said, I
think with the holiday weekend, I said, I think that
is a that's a perfect time for it. Uh. You know,
I think last year, uh, there was a there was
a lot of Outlaws shows in the month of May
in Ohio, and so I think I think this year,
I think the schedule works well for us. Uh. And

(34:23):
I think having that Memorial Day Friday will work very well.
And then you know, then a couple of weeks later,
we got speed Week, you know, the kickoff to Ohio
Sprint speed Week, which is always you know, it's always
one of the most fun weeks of the year because
you don't know who's gonna show up, you don't know
how many Australians are going to show up, because they

(34:45):
always do, uh, you know, and that's always fun and
uh and just following that, you know, and then then
we you know, come back race some and then you know,
we have a couple or Friday off and then you know,
you you run into the Brad Doughty Classic, and you
know which is always.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
That you know that rough about that second week of
June or so or July.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And you know it just like I said, it's just
kind of like you look at the schedules and go, well,
this fits here, this fits here, this fits here, and
you know, it's like and if we we change something
into one spot, it's gonna throw a lot of the
things off, you know. And then then you got to respect,
you know, the the other events in the other tracks,

(35:28):
you know, in the state and within a range, you know,
and and say, okay, well this is gonna work for us,
it's gonna work for you, and we're all good, you know.
And you know a lot of people will say, well,
why don't you guys run later in the year. It's like, well,
because quite frankly, we start in March, and you know,
by time we get to beginning of September, it's you know,

(35:52):
the things is, things are starting to get a little
of okay. I think everybody's done, from the racers to
the fans to the employees, and it's like, I think
that's a good time to go Okay, you know, we'll
put a big event on, we'll have our championship night
after that, and we'll call it a year. So you know,
that's like I said, it's just it's not broke, don't
fix it, right, That's the way the schedule, schedule, schedule goes.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
And when you look at it, there's not too many
tracks really in the nation that run, in my opinion,
to premier divisions in the four Tens and the super
Late Models. I mean, it's US, it's Wayne County, it's
atomic every now and then. But other than that, I
don't I don't know how many tracks in the nation run,

(36:38):
you know, those two divisions on a weekly basis.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, you're not wrong. I mean when you look at that,
I mean, like you said, it's it's usually either the
four tens are the main division or the Late Models
are the main division, you know, and and we we
have both. And I.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
You know, I've told people and people know this about me.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's you know, I was just a sprint car guy,
just a sprint car guy, and you know, and some
of the Late Model guys would would give me guff
about it, and it's like.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Well, that's how I was raised. You know, I was
raised a sprint car guy.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
But I was joking with Chris Chilly from that from
the Iron Man series a while back. He goes, here,
I have this day, this day. I said, okay, we'll
take him. I said, man, I said, schedule with you,
with you big model guys, is easy. I said, it's
pretty simple. And uh, you know, it's like it's nice

(37:31):
because and you and I have pointed this out when
we in our talks, and it's Ataka puts on a
heck of a late model, right, and and it's and
and I you know, the late models kind of got
a bad rap from back in the day when we
had like the limited lates and everything and all that,
and but once we went to the full blown super

(37:51):
late Models, it was like, yeah, I looked at it
and go, man, we put on a heck of a
show here. And and it kind of made me more
of a of a late model fan, you know, of
late Mondlands car fan. And it's when you when you
have the fans and the cars to support it, you
know it works. And then when you have the great

(38:12):
racing that we do have, it just all makes sense.
And now can get a little expensive. Yeah, but you know,
that's what we have. It goes back to that's what
we have those awesome sponsors for, uh, you know, to
help us out on that, uh, to help us out
on the cost of all that, and and to make
it fun for everybody. So it's it's I'll take our show,

(38:35):
you know, I would consider our show probably one of
the best in the country.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
M h, I mean I would have that we have, Yeah,
I mean yeah. You look at you know, results, and
you look at who shows up, and you just you
never quite know who's who's gonna win on any given
night in any of the divisions. Right, It's it's a
good problem to have.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right and and that's and that's that's a that's always
a good thing. And then sometimes even when you do
have somebody that starts to win a lot, it starts
to go the opposite way and go, all right, who
can beat this guy or girl for that matter, you know,
And it's you know, and so it's that that's the
fun part of this this racing stuff that we do.
It's you know, it can go either way. I remember

(39:20):
hearing stories of back in the day, and I want
to say it was in the eighties, you know, they
put a bounty on Jim Linder and and he because
he was winning, winning, winning, and you know, I feel
like I want to say Johnny Bieber had had a
bounty on him too, because he won a lot, you know,
and it's like, who can beat them? If they can
they can win this much money, and you know, back
in the the good old days of you know, some

(39:43):
of that those good old promote old timing promoters of
you know, and it's they they put a show because
they knew, Hey, the fans wanted to see this stuff.
And you know, that's that's that's stuff that I look
at and go, oh, I can only be so lucky
to have that happen, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
And it's but you know, it points out to you
look at like the.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
You know, the winners in the late Models, Uh, you
know obviously like our champion Kyle Moore. He he had
a great season, you know, one one a good amount
of races, you know, Rushy Slank won a good amount
of races. And then you know you throw in Ryan Markham,
Mikey Boris, what's his name, Devin Shields and uh and
then you know, to open up our season, we had

(40:29):
Travis Stemler win and I was like, I had never
heard of the guy before.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I say that, but I had never heard of him,
and you know.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
And you look at that and go wow, okay, and
then you look at our our fourth end division and
you know, you kind of had your favorites coming in,
you know, the like the Cat Henry's and the Cale
Thomas's of the world, you know, but like, did I
have Skylar g winning of sprint car race at Ours track? No,

(40:57):
you know, and I'm trying to think of of.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Some other lucious lucious. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
You look at that and go, yeah, Genersac on that
that last lap pass.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
You know, it's like, what the where did that come from?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
You know?

Speaker 3 (41:12):
And I always you always liked those races because.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
There was always the old adage of you know, the
All Star races were forty laps and they say, you know,
I don't know if there's ever been a guy that's
let on lap thirty that was leading on lap forty
as well, you know, and it was always always something
like that, you know, and that's and that's what makes
it exciting. You know. You look at our our races
this year, I mean obviously you documented them all year,

(41:37):
and it's we had a few last slap passes, last lap,
last corner passes, you know, and and it's like you
look at that and go that that's that's why I'm here,
That's why I'm doing this.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
This is awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, and you get to you get to be a
little kid again. And to me, that's that's that's what
it's about. Uh, you know, And and I'm just I'm
just lucky to be at the Helm, I guess, you know,
to have, like you said, two main divisions, you know,
trying to fight for that the track supremacy, you know,

(42:13):
who's gonna put on the better show.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
And not to mention the best support division in the nation,
the three or five exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I mean they had our best car counts, all our
average car counts all year. I think, I don't I
don't think they dipped below twenty seven or twenty eight.
I think they were at pretty much thirty to thirty
three all year. And you know that that division, you know,
started at Attica, you know, back in nineteen eighty eight
as the Ekano Sprints. We all know that there's nothing

(42:42):
e Conobb anymore, but you know, and it's like that
division consistently it puts on in the best one of
the better shows all night. And it's funny because I
was talking to a name drop here, TJ slideways the
other I know, right, And I've known TJ for a

(43:05):
long time, you know, bs with him and the pits
and stuff for a long time. And he he texted
me and there he said, he goes, you know, he goes,
I'm watching the.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
The Tulsa shootout.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
He goes, why isn't there like a six hundred you
know track around here? And I said, well, I said,
look at the three oh five division. I said, guys
are just cutting out that middleman. And I said, when
you have the three h five division at Fremont Attica,
that is so prevalent. I said, why why would anybody
want to open up a six hundred track around here?
Because it's you just skip it and you go straight

(43:39):
to the big boy of a.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Three h five.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And you know, I mean, think about it, guys, back
in the day, they used to just skipping and go
straight to you know, a big block and back in
the day now you know now fourten or whatever, but
and it's you know, but that's still five division. I mean,
you look at some of the guys that have come
through it now the guys that are going back.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
To it, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Uh, and it's like wow, that that division is just
it sets up for great racing all the way around.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
And it's a great uh starting class per se.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But I mean it gets some guys some laps in
a full blown race card to you know, to get going.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
So and you know, if you look at it.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
We have a decent amount of excuse me, uh, you know,
traveling guys and stuff like that, that that they started
out in those three or fives.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
It works well for them.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
So let's say so as as we get this wrapped up.
I mentioned off off the air that we have the
pass along question, okay, and I mentioned that our guests
from last time, cat Henry, got to ask you a
question and it has nothing to do with racing. This

(44:57):
goes back to your high school days. I didn't realize
that you and Cap were only about a year or
two apart in high school. Okay, So Cap told me
that both of you were in the high school choir.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
This is and it is the choir that you guys
had to try out for which I can see, I
can see you trying out for choir. But I I
did not have cat Henry trying out for choir on
my bingo car.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Forever reason.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Cap does not strike me as as a.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Member of the choir. No, it's true.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
And I would sit right next to each other, and
half the time we would just we would just be
us about racing. And they were supposed to be, you know,
looking at our sheet music and music and all listen that,
and and we would just be talking about racing. And
and I'll never forget the one time we had some
And if you talked, if you talk to if you

(46:11):
talk to my mom, my mom, of all people, she
will tell you I can't carry a tune. So how
I made it onto this choir in high school by
trying out, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I still can't figure it out to this day.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And like you said, Cap, of all people too, I
really don't know how, because I mean Cap, Cap barely
said boo in high school. I mean, you know, you
go to a racetrack now and on race night, CAP's
focus so he doesn't say boo and either, but you know,
and and it's yeah, we we would sit right next
to each other and we were in the bass baritone

(46:49):
region because we didn't want to, you know, put more
inflection in our voice. We just la la la, la
la la, and you know.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
So that's where we ended up.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
But yes, yes, Cap, Henry and I were were in
choir together in high school.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
So so getting to the question, okay, Cap wanted to
know if you remember how many like choir concerts Cap
actually showed up to, because he said it was probably
around zero yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
The answer is zero, none, not a So I don't
understand why he ever came, why he ever did the
choir class, because I don't know how he passed the
choir because he didn't go to the concerts, because that's
I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah, there was one thing.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
It was like our our state thing or something like that,
like our choir state. Yeah, cho And it was like
in I want to say April, and uh, and I
was at the time, I was actually working at Attica
and I had we rained out and Cap is like,
I wasn't gonna be there anyways, and we ended up

(48:03):
raining out in time for that. I still went because
then I still went to the choir thing, and Cap
is like he goes, no, I'm still not going even
though we ran out, He's like, no, I'm still not going.
I was like, dang it.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
But yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
CAP never attended a physical choir concert of any sort.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
You guys must have had a pretty lax like choir director,
because if I would have done something like that, my
choir director would have had my head.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
She she was pretty chill.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Uh not now I say that she was cool, but man,
don't take her off. Well, I ticked her off one time.
This was back in the days. You know, back in
the days that flip phones were kind of cool. And
I mean, I'm not that old, but you know, according
to kids in high school, i'd probably be ancient. You're kind.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
You stopped right now, stop.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It right now. And she came in. She had a
my choir teacher had a sub and I was sitting
at the very top of the choir room and I
was on my phone.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I don't even know what I was doing.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Who what I I because there weren't like apps and
social media on phones.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Really then, probably playing mind Sweeper or something.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Possibly I did have a cool NBA basketball game. I
might have been texting my then girlfriend, who was probably
sitting in the front row Anyways, I don't know why
I was texting her, but she, the choir teacher, opens
the door and I don't even know if she what
she was gonna say, but she looked right at me
and screamed, give me the phone now, and I said, yes, ma'am.

(49:49):
I gave her the phone and she took it to
the office and my dad had to come in and
get it later. But anyways, yeah, so she she was
not happy with me having the phone out in choir,
but yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
So, but she she must have.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I don't know if she just liked Cap and I
because we just went along with the flow and didn't
cause a ruckus. I don't know, but yes, to answer
the question, Kap went to no concerts.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Absolutely the things I would have done, knowing what I
know now was Cap Henry and justineless guy inquire. I mean,
I don't have a leg to stand on because I
was also an a choir where I had to try
out and do dances and whatever. But I mean I
was in the musicals and oh man I was.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I wasn't go that far.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I mean I was in the show choir. I mean
we were doing dances at churches and nursing homes and so.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
What you're telling me is, if I don't have somebody
to do the national anthem, I can fall back on you.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I wouldn't do that. I would rather you play it
over the peak. As much as I don't like it,
I would rather do that.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
That is something I am working on, is getting more
live singers. I'm working on that.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
We just seem to like American Idol style, like auditions and.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Fun.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I don't know. Would you be Simon or would I
be Simon?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I think, oh that's a toughie. I'd be more like
Randy and be like if yes or me dog?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah? I could I beating to people?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, then we just have to find a Paula.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, I don't know. You could I mean Michelle.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Michelle?

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, Michelle, because she would not hold back.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Yeah, Michelle should just be like why did you even
show up?

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Just leave? I guess she would probably be more like
a Simon than anything.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Probably that's okay. So some you know, random random February
weekend when we have nothing to do, we'll just have
American Idol auditions for our national anthem singers.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I like it. I mean if the one barn Attica
wasn't filled with golf carts right now, I'd say we
could do it in there.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
That'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
I mean, just make them do it on the front stretch.
We sit in the press tower where their seat, and
we make them do it on the front stretch where
we can you know, see how it actually sounds. Yeah, yeah,
itunds like them. Problem. Not enough problem.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I think we're on the something.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
So back to the pass along question. You now get
to ask our next guest a question. And it's not
one hundred percent confirmed yet, but our next guest I'm
working on that should be the twenty twenty four Late
Model track champion Attica, Kyle Moore. So if you could

(52:58):
ask Kyle Moore any question to be racing related or
nothing serious at all, what would it be?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I get I I think I actually have two Okay,
does that work?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
I'll allow it?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Okay, Okay, first question is what why doesn't he eat meat?

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Doesn't?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
And second question, did you talk to him about it?
You'll find out? And second question is, are hey dudes
that comfortable in a race car?

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Okay, we can make that work.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
That's and I think you'll get a good answer with the.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Matter I hope so.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
And does what No, he doesn't, because I I ended
up talking. We were talking to he goes, we eat
a lot of pizza and pasta, and I told him,
I go, I said, here's one for you. I said,
go to subway. I said, because my son, my oldest
son does this. And he gets a foot long on Italian.

(54:02):
It's basically just with extra American cheese toasted and nothing
on it.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
It's a grilled cheese.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
And he goes. He looks at me, and then when
I was talking to him.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
About it, he goes, that's a good idea. He goes,
I have to try that now.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
So yeah, that that's that's Kyle Moore for you right there.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I've encountered a lot of things doing these podcasts, but
finding out that Kyle Moore does not eat meat is
I don't what.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
He looks like the type that would just you know,
grab a cheeseburger mile down, yeah, you know, or eat
some KFC or something.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
But no, he no what what does he eat at
the concession stands?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Then?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Like French fries and onion rings, peanut.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
He gets pizza and just takes the pepperoni off. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I guess there is such a thing as cheese pizza.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
But man, yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Gonna keep me up tonight.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
God see, you learn all kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I mean, this is this is the content that I'm
here for. Finding out that you and Cap everything together
require and Kyle Moore is a vegetarian. Okay, maybe not.
I guess like doesn't eat me vegetarian. Gosh, the things
I've learned the last two nights all because of some
Measley podcast.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
It's great content. I mean, like you said, that's what
the fans are here.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
For, exactly. Who cares about the racing? Give the racing?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
You know. It's funny you say that because I used
to tell people in high school and.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
College why you go to the races all the time?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
And I said, honestly, I go, I said, I don't
go to the races for the races. I said, that's secondary.
I said, I go for the people and the laughs
and the joke. I said, because some of the most
fun I've had at a racetrack or on a race day,
let's call it, is when we rain out. I mean,

(56:10):
I can't tell you I've stayed later at a racetrack
on a rain out night than I have on a
race night. That's happened to me several times and and
it was probably some of the most fun I've had
at a race at racetracks. And you know, but it's
like it's it's just goes back to that that people aspect,
you know, the racing is secondary, that that kind of
is the that just brings us in and then the

(56:33):
people kind of.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Keep us there.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I guess that I think that's that's more of where
we go with that. But uh, you know, and so yeah,
that that's that's what your your podcast is doing, Jacob.
It's a racing podcast where where celebrity personalities come out.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
It could be celebrities too, it can be celebrities. Is
but to add on to what you're saying, I mean,
I can't tell you how many nights you know, I
spent up the two plus trailer until three eight. I'm
sure you know the exactly we've done that together.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
There was there's many nights where, yeah, when I was
working at Fremont, it was and I would get everything
done that I needed to up top, close up the
scoring tower, come downstairs and talk with whoever was in
charge of the racetrack at that time, if it was Farmer,
if it was Ryan Sheets and the crew, and you know,
we kind of go over the night and then I
was like, all right, I think I'm gonna leave and

(57:30):
go home now. And then I would make the decision
to take that right turn out into the pits instead
of going straight onto whatever street that was rosson Avenue,
and uh, I would end up at the two plus
trailer and I would stay in my truck because I said,
if I was in my truck and it's.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
On, I'll get out of here.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Well that that truck ended up turning off and then
I would get out and uh, yeah, you you and
I many times. And another person who is notorious for that,
and you know this as well as I do, good
Old Michael Bussy, the pacer, for he has. He has

(58:14):
gotten me in trouble with my wife a couple of
times because him and I just get talking.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
We just start talking.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
And Mike's been around. Mike remembers a lot and knows
a lot because he hung out with the Fords back
in the day when Randy Ford raced and you know,
and Doug Ford was setting up the race car and stuff,
and and uh, he lived up in I think was
it Minnesota for a while and he went to races
you know on at Knoxville and Jackson and stuff like

(58:45):
that up there, and so he has, you know, some
memories from up there. But we you know, Mike was
one that was usually at the two plus trailer. But
there's other times where Mike and I we would just
stand and talk. One one that my wife she kind
of got upset, but then I got her coffee and
she was fine.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Was that on your way?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yes? It was, And we were at Attika and it
was when we it was the twenty twenty season, so
COVID and Attica opened up like and I want to
say may I think it was like middle end of May,
or might have been June or something.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
I was there, Yeah, that was part of check Kimonof's
crew that night.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Oh you were.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I was because I had a story to write and
aj Haven's we was staying, hey, we have extra pit
passes available, just pay me and I paid them.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
What what car was the end the garden car? It
was a fit car.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
It was a fifteen K which I guess I guess
that could have been a garment car, but this is probably.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
It was the garden car then, yeah, because it was
twenty twenty. Yeah, that sounds about right. But uh so, yeah,
so that night, if you remember, we I think they
got hot laps in and maybe qualifying, and then it rained,
so then we had like a small rain delay and
then the track was fine.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
We got everything going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
But I think the last checkered flag flew at like
one p thirty two o'clock. Okay, so and I was,
like I said, I wasn't working at Fremont or Attica
that year. I was just filling in. I can't even
remember why why I needed to be there. I was
in the pit tower. I remember that I was running
the pits. And but anyways, uh so the races get over,

(01:00:35):
and you know, do my normal stuff come up, and
Mike and I we just start talking, you know, because
we hadn't seen each other since the end of the
year of the year four and we just start talking.
And next thing I know, Mike and I are standing there.
I said, Mike, did you hear that? He goes, what
I go, I think the birds are awake, Mike and

(01:00:56):
the bird the birds, I said, Mike, what's that thing
coming up over to the to the east. He goes, well,
that would be the sun justin and I said, yes, Michael,
I think it is. And so my wife texted me
because I think see, we would have had two kids.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
At that time, and one was not even a year old.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
But anyway, she texted me and she goes, well, if
you come home late slash early enough, can you grab
me a coffee? And this was at like three or
four o'clock. It was like four o'clock in the morning,
so I was joking. I said, yeah, sure. Well, by
the time I left and got back to Sedusky, Dunkin
Donuts had just opened up at about five thirty. So

(01:01:44):
I got her her iced coffee, got myself an iced
coffee for later, came home, put those on the fridge,
and went to sleep for a nice little nap. So yeah, Mike,
my and she goes, were you talking to mic again?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Yes? I was, yes, it was, and so yeah, and
Mike knows.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Mike goes, he goes, did I get you in trouble
with Crystal again, He'll say, And I said no, Mike,
I said, she's fine. She knows I was talking to you,
so it's okay. And she's like, okay, good good. I
don't want to get in trouble with her reasons. So yeah,
but uh, those those, like I said, those nights where
you know, even though say racing could have I don't

(01:02:24):
even know what the health the did that night.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah, but it's like I remember that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
So yeah, don't don't ask me. Don't ask me about
the results from whatever night at Fremont. But when you
know Dwayne throws the quarter stick dynamite at US, I
remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I was not there for that night, but I remember
you telling me about that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Yeah, and then you hear sirens and I'm like, I'm leaving, goodbye.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I'm done. You've done ruin the party.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
You're doing freaking Dwayne.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Oh jeez, done some fun stuff with d Wayne back
in the day time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Oh, I bet stories for another time because we've been
doing this for over an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Yes, yeah, I know I talk too much.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
That's all right. I talked too much too, and I'm
getting kind of hungry. My supper is going to be cold.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Mine is too. I don't even know what we're having
for dinner yet.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I'll go ahead and find Oh we're having that's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Right, okay. So anyways, fans, I hope you enjoyed all
this episode one hundred and twenty six. I think that's
what I said at the beginning of the show, justin
thank you for joining us and giving us an hour
of your time as always, as it's always great conversation.

(01:03:40):
I'm looking forward to uh our staff meeting. I hope
we have a staff meeting because I had a lot
of fun at that last year. And my god, we
stayed two hours after that too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
You and my god, I'm sending a common denominator here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Even when we're talking about Mike, we just ramble.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Gosh if that jeez, So yes, yes, thank you for
having me on. It was fun as always, like you said,
and it's that that's always the fun part is is
you don't know what you're gonna what you're gonna find out,
or what what's gonna be said, and you know, and

(01:04:19):
that's that's always the fun part about anybody anything in racing,
is you never know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
So I'm I'm gonna message Wayne County's announcer Will and
ask if he knows about Kyle being a vegetarian.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I don't know if he's a vegetarian or not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
He just doesn't me. That's a definition of a vegetarian.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I guess so. But all right, sir, sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
All right, I appreciate it. Race fans get out to
Attaka this year, shameless plug. We got some pretty cool
things going on. And yeah, justin, we'll see you at
the staff meeting if you have one. If not, my god,
we'll see in March.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
March. My Friday, March fourteenth is our season opener.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
There you go, the first Oh, I guess it's not
the first schedule snippet, but opening night March fourteenth. Yeah,
Pie day. I hope you have pie there. It's a
good idea that I special.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
All right, Jacob, thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
All right, you have a good one, all right,