Ricky Williams Exclusive Interview

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Join JT on this raw and revealing episode of On Air With JT as former NFL standout Ricky Williams calls in to share his journey from the football field to forging his own path off it. Known for his electrifying play and candid off-field perspectives, Ricky opens up about the highs and lows of his athletic career, the challenges of stepping away from the spotlight, and his ongoing exploration of mental health, personal freedom, and unconventional living. Whether you’re a sports fan, a seeker of life’s deeper truths, or just curious about the man behind the headlines, this conversation promises an intimate look into the mind of a true icon who’s always played by his own rules.
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
This is John Gorley from Portugal Man and you're listening
to on Air with JT. I'm an astrologer, and so
part of part of the skill of being a good
astrologer is seeing how everything makes sense, you know, because
if something is coming out of your mouth, it's based
on your experiences, unless you're full of shit, which you're not.

(01:47):
You know, we're having an authentic conversation. So so it's
my job to make whatever comes out of your mouth
makes sense. And because because I spend all day thinking
about symbols, because astrology is really a symbolic system to
help us under understand energies. Right, and so what I
what I what I heard through my astrological lens is

(02:10):
what we talk about when we talk about the planet Pluto, right,
because Pluto, Pluto is the wound, you know, Pluto is
the wound. But also embedded in that wound is this
passion to do something to make the world a better place.
Exact and so so I think in the beginning, because
as we're healing the wound, it is an overcompensation, but

(02:32):
that's part of the process, and you know, and through overcompensating,
you know, we heal the wound and it becomes less
of an overcompensation. It actually becomes the gift that we
truly have to offer the world. And something you said,
something you said earlier, this phrase, and it just jumped out,
bringing to light, bringing to light, you know, And if

(02:52):
we're bringing something to light, it's because whatever the thing is,
it's been shrouded in some kind of darkness. And so
I think this idea of bringing to light, I think
it works on a personal level. There's certain things inside
of us, inside of all of us, that are shrouded
in darkness, and we owe it to ourselves and we
owe it to the people around us to bring those

(03:13):
things to light. Right And I think there's things in
our community and in humanity and the larger sense of
community of that are shrouded in darkness, and I think
we owe it to ourselves and to each other to
bring those things to light. To I think this is
the beauty of the movement and the openness to having

(03:33):
more conversations about mental health, because mental health is the
process of bringing the things that are shrouded in darkness,
bringing them to the light every day. So listen, listen,
this is the teaching. Okay, oh my god. So it's
not that you're that you're just having the experience. It's

(03:55):
more that you're just waking up to the having this
experience as your whole life. If you ever watch a
young child, right, the young if you watch the guy
have a one and a half year olds, and if
you watch them, you see that they're one hundred percent
invested in the developmental process. No, and and we're going
through the exact same process, except we have we're more

(04:17):
self conscious about it. You know, where he falls down
and he doesn't say, oh my god, he doesn't say
I'm a failure, I'm stuck, I'm never gonna be right.
He just gets back up and he keeps and he
keeps on going. And I think one of them exactly, well,
he's a he's alive, right, it's it's that's a manifestation

(04:37):
of the aliveness expressing through the warrior. And he definitely is.
But but this is what life is about. You know
that life is a developmental process. And even when we
talk about what is my purpose, like listen, okay, that
people can get lost in that question. To me, the
idea of your of getting clear on what is your purpose?

(04:57):
Your purpose is to develop, It's to grow. That's because
if you if you focus your energy on the developmental process,
you fall into your purpose. Because if you keep developing,
you're developing for a specific reason. That's what we mean
when we say purpose. And so if you just keep
developing the way the universe is pushing you to develop,

(05:20):
you will, you will magnetize, you will gravitate to your
purpose exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
And that's where I messed up, Ricky for so long,
you know.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
See, Okay, I have to point out I have to
point out the language. Okay, a baby, when the baby
falls down, the baby does not think that the baby
messed up. They understand it as a as part of
the developmental process.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Ah okay, I see.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Mess up. There's a heaviness right where we have to
judge ourselves and then go backwards a couple of steps
and beat ourselves up before we allow ourselves to move forward.
You can argue that it's effective, but you can't argue
that it's efficient if you just understand that everything is
a developmental process. Like the baby, you fall down and
you get back up. You know, you know that because
of that experience of falling down, you're not going to

(06:11):
fall down that way anymore. That's what development is. It's
the recognition of oh, okay, I'm growing right, I'm moving
to another dimension. There's more information, there's more experiences added
to my life that helped me appreciate the bigger picture.
And because I appreciate the bigger picture, right, I'm not
going to fall down as much. But I think the
most powerful way to give wisdom and insight is by

(06:33):
being it. You know, it's because it's so easy, and
I think we get rid of the energy when we
just talk about it. It's like all the things we
know we're supposed to do, and we can talk about it,
but if we look in the mirror, we realize we're
not actually doing them in our lives. Where if we
put the energy that we used to talking about it
into actually doing it, people would be inspired by the

(06:55):
energy that is vibrating off of us, you know, And
I think when people truly realize the only thing you
actually have to give anyone is what you give yourself.
That's it. You can pretend to give someone something else,
but the reality is, I mean, it's because it's our training.
It's our training, right. The part of development, the developmental process,

(07:15):
is learning, okay, that it's time to grow out of
certain things, right. And to me, that's a more compassionate
kind way to to tend to our mental health because
I think when people have mental health crises, it's because
they've not given themselves love and compassion to appreciate that
there aren't. They're in a developmental process. To me, the

(07:37):
main message for people right now is to truly ground
yourself and the understanding that life is a developmental process,
like just just that one that one idea, you know,
I think of again, I have a young one, so
my mind is very much in this developmental mode and

(07:58):
realizing you know, when you use a baby, you know,
ep and shit everywhere and kick keep us up at
keep us up at night, you know, things that right
that typically we were thinking are not good things, right,
but we did it lovingly. You know, we laugh when
we tell all these wonderful stories, and we have so
much compassion for babies process because we were clear right

(08:22):
that this is a vulnerable being and a developmental process,
and as they develop, there's gonna be things. You know,
these things are going to go away, right, They're going
to mature out of these phases, in these processes. And
so if we can learn from that and give ourselves
that same kind of kindness and understand when we're tripping
over ourselves and shitting on ourselves, right, and kicking ourselves

(08:45):
and keeping us keeping ourselves up late at night, that
we're in a process and what we need is love
and caring and compassion in those moments. We don't need
to beat ourselves up and judge ourselves more for being stuck. Well,
here's the thing, right at all. Anyone who's lived twenty
nine years, right, anyone who's lived to their Saturn return

(09:05):
Saturn the planet of hard work and discipline. Anyone that's
lived this long understands that there are things in life, okay,
that are hard, right, and if you don't do those
things that are hard, you're not going to be very
happy exactly, all right. But what Saturn teaches us is
if we especially as we've become adults, we have more agency,

(09:28):
we have more control, and so we can choose the
difficult things that we do. And I think you know,
and speaking of changing your mindset, yes it's difficult, but
it's one of the things if you put the effort
and the time and the energy into doing it makes
everything else so much easier, you know. And I see,
like one of the biggest things that plagued people is

(09:51):
what I call it, it's an addiction to judgment. No,
it's like we've all been trained by judgment, you know,
our parents telling us no, don't do this, society telling
is no, this is bad, right, we're telling is yes,
this is good. So we get rewarded for the things
that our parents and society think are good, and we
get punished for the things that are bad. That's been

(10:12):
the system we've all been trained in and so and
so we apply that same system to ourselves, right, except
it's not kind. It's not Again, it might be effective,
depending how you define it, but it's not efficient because
we have to use so much force against ourselves to
get us to do things, and often things that we
don't even right, that aren't even good for us. And

(10:33):
so I think the number one thing, like effort energy
to put into changing one's mindset is to free oneself
of the addiction to judgment. Yeah, I'm telling you, even
just when you start saying that, you can feel the
heaviness of it, you can feel the heaviness of it. Right,
And I'm not trying to say like that everyone is perfect.

(10:53):
But when you the idea of wrong, okay, if you
put it in a developmental context, you see it, it's
not as heavy. You realize that it's just a process
of figuring it out. And as long as we honor
that process of figuring it out, then everything we do
wrong becomes extremely valuable because it helps us figure it out. Yeah, okay,

(11:14):
So you know that the way people tend to talk
about astrology and it's and it's completely understandable, is they
talk about it like it's a superstition. You know, even
this idea of this hasn't happened in a long time.
What does it mean? Okay, that's I'm sorry, that's superstition,

(11:38):
all right.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
And so like what I call what I do, I
call it astro logic, Okay, all right, Because to me,
for anything to be useful, useful that you can manipulate it.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
And use it and play with it, right, it has
to be logical. There has to be some kind of
logic to it, all right. And so the assumption that
people believe in astrology or it's illogical, all right, well
I have to dispel that. I might I can acknowledge
that it's a different kind of logic, you know, it's
more of a stellar or a cosmic logic, but one

(12:09):
hundred percent it's logical, logical, right. And one of the
ways we you know, we can prove that is the
idea of a year. Okay, a year right from an
astrological perspective. We look at a chart and we can
say a year is the time it takes from for
the sun to move from where it was at any
fixed point to return to that same point, Okay, from

(12:32):
an astrological perspective, right. And so someone says they're celebrating
their birthday. Okay, I'm a Gemini. I was born the
first day of Gemini. So the sun was at zero
degrees Gemini. Every year when the sun returns to zero
degrees Gemini, guess what I celebrate my birthday? Okay. So
there's there's a logic in each of the celestial objects,

(12:56):
you know, in astrology, the sun, moon, mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn,
you're honest, Neptune, and Pluto. Those are the celestial objects
that we use in astrology. Each of them has a
similar orbit. For the Sun, it's a year. For the Moon,
it's about twenty seven and a half days, okay. For

(13:18):
the Pluto, it's about two hundred and fifty six years. Okay.
So a Pluto year the time it takes for Pluto
to move to make one one trip okay around the chart,
it's about two hundred and fifty six years. Okay, So
we can say Pluto hasn't hasn't entered has it been
at this place in the zodiac, because it takes a

(13:39):
long time, it moves really slowly. Okay, it hasn't been
to this place in the cycle in about two hundred
and fifty six years, yes, okay, all right, And so
now we have to dig a little bit deeper to understand,
like what does it even mean right for a planet
to move through a sign? A planet to move through
a sign? Okay. And again we go back to the

(14:01):
Sun because most people are familiar with that, okay, and
because they say, when's your birthday? Right, tell people when
your birthday is, and they say, oh, you're a Gemini,
or oh you're an Aquarius. Okay, And so because on
that date, okay, the sun, the celesto object, the sun
was in that sign. Right. And then when we say,
oh you're an Aquarius, you know, you think outside the box.

(14:22):
You're learning to not care what people think. You know,
you can be a little cold and a loof sometimes. Okay.
What we're describing is there's a certain quality quality that's
associated with the sign. Okay, a certain quality associated with
the sign. And in astrology, because most people only know
about the sun. Okay, the sun brings a solar radiance.

(14:44):
You know, the sun is warm, it gives life, it
gives vitality. We recognize that everything revolves around it. So
inside of each of us, the sun represents our ego,
our identity, and so we're born when the sun is
an aquarius, our identity is radiating these aquarium qualities of independence, individuality, right.

(15:06):
And so you'll see people that are aquarians. I don't
think you can define them a certain way, but if
you start to talk to them about freedom and liberation
and everyone do their own thing, you'll see all of
them they light up because those energies activate their sun right,
and so astrology really, the core of astrology is really

(15:26):
about understanding the energy of a planet and the energy
of a sign because the planets represent archetypes, core archetypes.
The Sun, this solar radiance, this energy. Okay, so but
each of the planets always, at least from our perspective
on Earth, are always manifesting through a sign. So there's
a certain energy that the planet is vibrating towards. All right,

(15:48):
Now we get to Pluto. So Pluto is the energy.
I say, Pluto is the energy. It's the urge to
get to the bottom of something, ok the urge to
get to the bottom of something, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
all right, And so the in Pluto, at least in
the beginning can be uncomfortable. Right. It's like you meet someone,

(16:11):
right and they're asking you all these peers, like these
probing questions because they have the urge to get to
the bottom of who you are. Okay, that person in
their chart, you're gonna see, right, they're gonna have strong Pluto.
Pluto is gonna be or Scorpio is going to be
really strong in their chart because these energies, right, they
manifest through us. And if someone has a strong Pluto. Right,

(16:32):
whether it's conscious or unconscious, that person, right, is going
to be motivated to get to the bottom of things, right,
and so right detectives, right, detectives usually have strong plutos, right,
this probing kind of energy, right, And so Pluto moves
into a new sign okay, Right, this energy of getting
to the bottom of stuff, okay, is going to be

(16:53):
expressing through that sign, right, Pluto coming into Aquarius. And
one of the things that that Pluto does it makes
things that are unconscious, okay, it brings them to the surface,
things that are things that have been buried, right, And
things are buried for for good reasons, okay, But everything
that's buried eventually is going to come to the surface.

(17:15):
And those in the plutonium times, those things come to
the surface. And so what we can see, what we
can see based off reality, okay, of what's going on.
Pluto enters Aquarius in the buzz, right, and Aquarius rules technology, technology,
technology right in the buzz right now, in reference to technology,

(17:37):
so much is about AI, right, And part of this,
you know, part of this archetypal fusion of Pluto and
Aquarius is you know, draws back to the story of Frankenstein.
This idea of technology that we don't understand, you know, right,
sometimes has implications that we didn't realize because they were buried. Right.

(18:01):
But you know, that's only part of the story. The
other part of the story is these these buried things
come to the surface, right, we're in a position to
do something about them. Because when things are buried, we
don't know they're there, we can't attend to them. So
it's like these secrets that we keep from ourselves. Right.
This is Pluto applied more on a personal level. You
go through a Plutoni in time. Things that have happened

(18:22):
to you that you've quote unquote forgotten have happened to you. Right,
These things that you've buried, right, they're coming to the surface,
and it's it can be scary because again there's a
valid reason we bury them in the first place. But
the opportunity is that we're mature enough now that we
can deal with them. Because oftentimes the things, the things
we bury, is because we weren't mature enough, we didn't
have the resources, we didn't have the information to know

(18:44):
how to deal with them, and so it's a gift
to bury them until we're more mature and we can
deal with them. And now we that's Saturn, by the way,
that's that's Saturn. We're speaking that we're speaking the same language.
So when you just said that the tendency that you
noticed is to always go to worst case scenario, that frequency,
that frequency from an astrological perspective, is the frequency we

(19:05):
call saturn. Right, And this is just simple math. I
know you told me you were in Aquarius, and you
told me that you are twenty nine all right, So
twenty nine years is how long it takes Saturn to
make one cycle around the around the chart.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Right, Yeah, So I'm guessing that Saturn is going to
be relatively close to your son in your natal chart now,
which would explain why if Saturn is activating anything in
our chart. Whatever Saturn activates, Saturn is the frequency of
thinking of worst case scenario. Right. And it's not a

(19:43):
bad thing, because Saturn is the is the urge, the
need for survival in order to survive, we have to
be aware of But the worst thing that can happen
is otherwise we're not going to survive. We're not going
to be able to plan for it. Yeah, and this
is a positive manifestation of saturn ability to recognize what
could go wrong and then to do something change exactly.

(20:05):
And Saturn is a part of the planet. Is the energy,
the frequency that gives us the ability to do what's
uncomfortable right. Because if you're sitting there and you're on
the couch, you know, you don't feel like doing something,
but you realize you got to pay the bills. You know,
the worst case scenario, I get kicked out on the street,
your ass gets up, and you do something right. That's Saturn.
You know. I kind of knew since I was probably seven.

(20:27):
You know, I didn't know that it would be football,
but but I just had this, I just had the sense.
I don't know, I grew up a very religious household,
and I think when you're young, you're you're so impressionable
and wide open that you you believe what the people
people tell you. That's what I'm so and so, Yeah,
when I went to church and they told me that

(20:48):
I could, you know, be anything I wanted to be
if I just prayed. I prayed a lot to oh
my God, oh my God. So so I had faith,
you know, I had faith as a young child and
recognize pretty early you know, it's probably five or six,
and realized that I had some athletic ability, and I

(21:10):
could watch TV and realize that, you know, African Americans
that have have have had athletic ability, had the opportunity
to like, there is a pathway. And so when you
have faith and you see a pathway, that's a powerful combination. Yeah.
Actually that was that was my first love. I mean,
I was I was a baseball player much earlier than
I was a football player. And when I had those visions,

(21:31):
when I had those visions of being a professional athlete
as a seven year old, it was actually as a
baseball player. Do you see that movie everything about? What's
that movie Everything? The one that won all the awards?

Speaker 1 (21:41):
No, I have it?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, you need to watch because what you see is
there's there's so many there's infinite pathways we can take
in our in our lives. And it's a fantasy to
think that any pathway we would have taken we would
advance just as successful. It's certain pathways that we take,
you know, they're more in alignment with what we're really
supposed to be doing, and so the manifestation is going

(22:03):
to be more success. And there's going to be certain
pathways that that that society, or our parents or television
has told us we're supposed to take. And if we
that are not in alignment with where we're supposed to go,
and if we take those pathways, we're going to stub
our stub our toe a bunch. And it's not a
negative thing. The stubbing our toe is to help nudge
us back to our genuine path, our genuine journey in life. Yeah,

(22:26):
I'm a Gemini. I'm a Gemini and I've and I've lived,
so you know, Geminis are about having a vast amount
of experiences so that you have some perspective to share.
And I think that that's what I've done. Well, it's scary.
It's scary, you know, it's scary. Like people, people work
really hard to build a name for themselves, and I

(22:48):
think it's difficult when you've worked that hard and you
realize you have so much to lose. It's it's hard.
And the other thing people don't realize is, you know,
for me to have had so many experiences to have
this perspective, I had to quit. I had to quit
my job and like travel the world and reprioritize things.
You know, if I had stayed on the same track,

(23:09):
you know, maybe i'd be more famous, but I wouldn't
have this such I wouldn't have the ability to utilize
the platform. And I think there's this trade off for
the amount of time and energy that people use to
create the platform, is time and energy that haven't been
used to develop their own self and their own character,
so they have something to actually share in the platform.

(23:30):
I mean, that's where my mental health came to a head,
is where my platform was getting larger. But when I
looked in the mirror, I realized I've been chasing this
dream so much. I don't really have shit to say.
I don't even have anything meaningful to put forward on
the platform. And that scared me, and so I retired
from the NFL, and I said, I need to have
some more experiences to actually have something to like put

(23:52):
put forth. And so I was fortunate enough to travel
for a year and to really find myself and to
reprioritize my life. And I was lucky enough to be
able to come back and play five more years in
the NFL to re establish my platform. And now I
get the opportunity to talk to people like you and

(24:14):
tell an inspiring story that hopefully gets people to like
not just talk about being better, but actually doing something
about it. I've had to and football really helped me
with this is appreciate that you need a team, you know,
And I think part of attracting the right teammates is
appreciating your own value, meaning what you have to offer,
and that helps you appreciate what else you need. And

(24:35):
I think because of my platform and my story, I've
been able to attract a lot of talent, and so
heisman on the vision holder and I put out my
ideas and my perspective and I work with my partners
to see what we can make real. And so I
think in terms of a brand, you know, I think
it's difficult because in cannabis, something that's been illegal and

(24:56):
been persecuted for so long, it's hard to have an
authentic brand because people don't really have stories. And most
of the authentic stories of people in the cannabis industry
are the stories of criminals, not because they were criminals,
but because cannabis was criminal. And I think I'm one
of the only people right now that has an authentic

(25:16):
cannabis story. That people can relate to one of being persecuted,
you know, but being but it's a more uplifting story
because I didn't allow the persecution to define me in
a negative way. I've turned it into something that's been
a positive thing. You know. You talked about entrepreneurship and

(25:37):
seeing a need and doing something about it, and I
see a need where people should be proud of who
they are, regardless of what other people think about it.
You know, be proud of who you are and do
it on purpose and good things happen. I knew I
had a mental health disorder when I was like, I'm
kind of saying it in a joking way, meaning when
I looked around at the world and I saw the
quote unquote normal people, you know, I had no desire

(26:00):
to be like them, you know, And so I accepted.
So I accepted. I accepted that I was different, and
I also started to appreciate that people were going to
say that there was something wrong with me, you know,
And as much as I as I bought into their
idea of something being wrong with me, then I manifested

(26:21):
that the more I appreciated that I was different, and
I appreciated that difference completely. It completely changed my whole
relationship to mental health. But the assumption is that that
I value the NFL more than I value to me
For for for anyone to oh, my god, young people.

(26:41):
I love young people. But it's again part of the
developmental process is to me to look at some authority
figure and to say that what they're doing is ridiculous
is implied, right, because any authority figure is not going
to have an individual's best interest at heart. And so
to me, like, I don't have an expectation for the

(27:02):
NFL to say that I'm allowed to smoke. That's up
to me to make decisions in my life about what's
important to me and what I value. So it was
a wake up call for me, you know, because I
thought I was supposed to value what the NFL meant
more than I valued what cannabis meant. Right. That's that's
Anyone who doesn't anyone who thinks differently is mentally ill. Right.
But when I looked in the mirror and asked myself,

(27:23):
the reality was I valued what cannabis gave me much
more than I valued what the NFL gave me. And
if that makes me mentally ill, good, that's that's that's fine.
But once I had that realization, I have the responsibility
to act on that. How could I keep doing something
that I wouldn't even like that I would drive me crazy?
And keep in mind, at this point, you know, I'd

(27:44):
already led the NFL, and I'd already led the NFL
and rushing the eyes, so I'd already done so many
things in football. Is like like, I wasn't doing it
for the money, and if the only thing I could
justify why I was going to keep doing this to
my body was for the money. The fact that I
that I did have money now and I and I
have I have freedom to be able to travel to
do whatever I wanted to do. But I was still

(28:05):
chasing this dream that I wasn't even my dream anymore
when I could be doing these other things that I've
always dreamt of doing my whole life. It was it
was a relatively easy choice for me to make. Yeah,
I always wanted to, but like I said before, I
didn't have anything of like that I felt a value
to offer. And I think, you know a lot of
people think of entrepreneurship and they think about making money,

(28:27):
but but the whole idea of making money is that
you have something valuable to offer people to build exactly yeah, exactly,
Well you have to build a community. But you can
build a community, but if you don't have anything valuable
to offer them, you know, you're you're actually, yeah, you're
actually abusing the community. And so for me to start,
the starting point was actually feel like I have something

(28:49):
to offer and once and once I clicked into that,
entrepreneurship just for me was a natural extension of that.
It's like, once I have something to offer, now it's
to do the work to get it out into the world.
What it means is like, you know, anything that we
pay attention to has an effect on has an effect
on us, you know. And so if there's if there's

(29:11):
a person that inspires you, you know, and you're spending
time thinking about that person, interacting with that with that person,
watching that person, that the inspiration that you feel is
something that you have access to. And if we just
if we just like sit in it and think about
it and revel in it, it feels good. But if
we take it and we use it to do something,

(29:32):
you know, it's like, you know, I grew up and
I wasn't really a big basketball fan. But every year
watching watching March Madness, you know, I became a basketball player.
I couldn't help after watching all this talent concentrated to
go outside and want to like do the same thing.
And so and I think all great athletes had had

(29:55):
this natural ability to be inspired, you know, the w
whole idea be like Mike, Like, how many how many
professional basketball players you know have been have been nourished
by this that by the image of what Michael Jordan represented,
so so many, you know. But but there's one, there's

(30:15):
the role model. But two there's the people that are
receptive to receiving and doing something with that inspiration, right,
And so I think that's that's the major thing that
makes professional athletes different, is that they've actually done something
with that inspirational energy, where a lot of other people,
for whatever reason, they don't feel they don't give themselves
permission to go do something what I do for living,

(30:36):
I mean people people pay me to. So I would
call mentorship and in like living being themselves because because
most people the reference reference point they have to who
they're supposed to be is their parents, culture and television,
you know, right, And and those can give us ideas.
But if that's where we're seeking the core of who

(30:58):
we of who we are, then we're we're missing something.
And the beauty of astrology is it gives you a
deeper center with which to understand yourself. And then you
can take society and parents and TV movies and all
the images and you can use those pieces to craft
who you are. But the core principle of who you are.

(31:19):
You know, I think there's nothing there's nothing better than
understanding your astrological chart to really tap you into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Again,
it's more of a it comes from efficiency. You know,
if you go somewhere and you're trying to prove to
someone how special you are, you know you have to
attend to like what they define is special and work

(31:39):
towards that, which, again might be effective. They might like you,
but it's not very efficient. All right, Where you go
to people already appreciate you, Okay, then they can they
can cell, they can celebrate and help support that developmental
process I talked about earlier. You know, it's like a
kid when when the kid receives love and you smile
and tell it it's great, Okay, it has the confidence

(32:01):
to keep experimenting, to keep trying new things, and to
keep finding itself. Where a kid where the parents are
tolerating the kid, that kid, Oh my god, poor kid. Right,
we're in one, two, three, four, five, six, working on
working on it. I'm working on a several more right now.
This is what I have, what I've learned being in
different markets, Okay, Because you know, cannabis is a tool, right,

(32:25):
And it's a tool kind of like we were talking about.
I think it's a tool that can put us in
greater touch with our own sensitivity, with our own inner world.
And one of the things that's constantly affecting our inner
world is the place we live, you know, and so
and so, you know, I travel around. I was in
the north I was in the Northwest this past weekend

(32:47):
in Washington and Oregon visiting people. And even in Washington
and Oregon, Okay, there's different there's different kinds of stoners.
You know, there's a different vibe of people. There's a
different vibe of people who openly come to dispensaries, you know,
and partake, and you know, and I fly to mass
right and it's a different vibe. It's a different vibe.

(33:10):
It's a different frequency. And one of the things that
I know the Northeast is known for is how intelligent,
how intellectual people are, and so like I imagine, as
as cannabis becomes more normalized in Massachusetts, we're going to
see like a lot of brilliant ideas, you know, because

(33:35):
I think as more people and you see, right as
it becomes more popular, a larger group of people start
to smoke. Smart people, you know, because when we were
growing up, the smart people, for the most part, didn't
smoke right because they are smart, right. A lot of
times the jocks in it because they are jocks. But
now as those lines are starting to blur and they're

(33:55):
starting to get more diversity, and the people who are
consuming cannabis another way of saying that people who are
becoming more in tune with their inner world. People are
becoming more comfortable with themselves, people are becoming more open minded. Yeah.
That's why our tagline at Heisman is spark greatness, you know,
is that what we're saying is greatness doesn't come from outside.

(34:16):
The greatness comes from those ideas we get, those those sparks,
those insights that we get that we get often when
we're consuming cannabis or meditating, or just around having great
conversations with people. We like listening to good music, appreciating anything,
you know. The ability to appreciate anything, I think is

(34:36):
what sparks greatness. And one of the things that pretty
much everyone can attest to is that cannabis can help
us appreciate more interested and they want to connect in
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life l I F E. And then yeah, I'm also

(34:57):
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