10: Cartels

Steven Seagal is one of the biggest action stars of the '90s, starring in some of the biggest action films of the decade. He ended up dropping off the radar completely in the early 2000s, being relegated to the Walmart bargain bins and truck stop DVD corners. Mainstream action fans all but forget his talents, but no longer.

The Kulturecast's Chris Stachiw and film critic Trevor Gumbel continue their journey through the cinematic wasteland of Seagal's career with 2017's Cartels. Starring Seagal as yet another agent, he must protect a cartel boss who is turning state's evidence from his would-be assassins.

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Episode Transcript

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Hello there, I'm Chris Dashing andOn Trevor Dumble and we are the host
of the On Sagal podcast. Oncea month look at everyone's favorite quote,
Matt question Mark action hero Stephen Seagal. Every episode of the show we take
a look at one of mister Seagal'smovies, jumping back and forth between present
and past hits, hits and quotations. On this episode of On Seagal,

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we are taking a look at thetwenty seventeen film known as car Hortels,
or per the version that we watchedKilling Salazar. Seventy two hours ago,
my team confirmed location of Salazar.Salazar the Boston one of the most violent
cartels in Eastern Europe. Make surewe do not kill him here. I
name him Alive. The body inthe bag is a one Joseph Salazar.

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We're bringing him stateside. What areyou waiting for? Socians going what?
Everyone is surprised to see me alive? The government has him DA faked his
death. Salazar is going to beour star witness for the next ten years.
The cartel wants him. The cartelis gonna be able to exterminate his
entire bloodline. I want him they'resitting guns, but only one man.

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Who the hell are you? I'mthe guy you should have called when you
one sideways can protect him when theycalled me in the Dana Joe, you're
gonna live or you're gonna die.It's time to finish what they started.
It doesn't end tennis yet the manin a buddy beg okay, well allow

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me. Steven Seagal, George SaintPierre and Luke Goss do' not dank you
can claiming cartons rated R. Trevor'sexcitement is palpable. No, it's I

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mean, or should have say,Trevor L. Tibaron Gumble, I am
the shark. So so this movieis directed by Keanni Waxman, written by
Keanni Waxman and Richard Beatty, starsSteven Seagal, sure and more I would

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say more aptly. It stars LukeGoss as us Marshall Tom Jensen, who
is tasked with protecting L. T. Baron, the the titular Salazar character
from it. Look, you knowwhat this movie is. This movie is
um what's that movie called like sevensSmoking Aces? That's what it is.

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Yep, they this is I'm notthe only one who thought that I was
watching it. No, this ispretty much smoking aces. So yet the
character played by Luke Goss must protectL. T. Baron from a I
guess you would say L. T. Baron's former right hand man from killing
him. Yeah, it's pretty much, you know, because they're all,

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uh, they're trapped in a hotel. No way to get out. Um,
and they're trapped. We're in thehotel on the top floor, of
course because Presidential stud If it wason the bottom floor, they could just
you know, break a window andrun away. Yeah. There you go,
pretty easy. So what did youthink of Carts aka Cartels the artist
known as Cartel's formerly performing as KillingSalazar. I may shock my listeners and

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you, but I actually really enjoyedit. Um. I thought it was
a decently made, uh you know, you know, well paced little action
film. I mean, it's notperfect by any stretch of the imagination,
but um, it was a lotmore entertaining and a lot better than I
gave it credit for. Um.Segal was in the film more than I

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expected. Hills not very much,still, not terribly too much, but
enough that it's more than just acameo. Right, He's in it more
than he was in uh whatever thefuck that name. Louis was general commander.
No, no, no, asalesman. There you go. Uh
yeah, I mean Luke Goss wasreally good. I thought, Um,

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I thought he made a great youknow, uh action hero. I thought
he you know, was a goodperformance, better performance and you know you
would expect from a straight to videofilm. I thought the action was surprisingly
well done. And I thought thevillain was a bit cliche. I mean,
I mean, I didn't I couldn'ttell the Russian accent was fake or
not, because it sounded like yourtypical Russian bad guy portman and his and

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his and his and his dialogue wasvery kind of out of the you know,
Russian gangster notepad or you are adog. I don't like dog,
Like, oh my fucking god,I say, vodka next fleet. Yeah,
like it's it it. Yeah.They're not breaking any mold here,
No, it's it's not and they'renot trying to and you know, it's

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you know, it's a serviceable littleaction film. And I enjoyed it.
What about you, I yeah,I think probably. You know. What
helps my feelings towards this film isthe fact that, you know, China
salesman was so bad and ostensibly thatis, you know, the last recent
Sigal movie we talked about. SoI think that that helps my kind of

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feelings towards this movie, because,yeah, there's not much to this.
It is very much a smoking acesyou could even say, a die Hard
clone in a lot of ways,like it is a good guys in the
top of the building with a youknow, with a bad guy they're protecting
more bad guys come to the building. It's cut and dry, boiler plate,
pretty straightforward. But like you said, for the most part, it's

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it's fine. It's not any It'snot anything I haven't seen or you haven't
seen before. But at the sametime, do we really expect that it's
going to be at this point?I don't know. And to be honest
with you, I mean I'm notmad at it. You know, it
was a it was a entertaining enoughway to spend a what an hour and
forty minutes almost well, And tobe fair, does it need to do

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more than that? Like, itdoes what it needs to do, gets
in, gets out boom. Thereare a couple twists that I thought were
a bit stretching credibility real ham fit. Oh god, yeah, yeah,
there's like a mass there's a massivetwist towards the end of this movie,
like in the last five minutes thatI'm like, what feels like it's there
to try to get get a twistin well, and also in case this

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movie is somehow randomly successful, theyhave an ability to make another one.
I mean, obviously, look,this movie came and went, it had
a limited theatrical release, nobody talkedabout it. It has now been four
years since it came out. Idon't think we're going to see Cartel's two.
But you know what, there havebeen sequels to Seagal movies that were
direct to video as well, sothat's not precluding it. But yeah,

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it seemed towards the end it waslike, oh, yeah, we'll put
a twist in here just in casewe want to have a sequel. And
it's like, yeah, you kindof fucked up the entire movie in doing
that. It felt very last minutekind of you know, let's let's no
reel of the exactly. That's notclichde at all, Like that in and

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of itself is cliched. No,it's like usual suspects, like and then
you found out who the real badguy was the whole time. It's don't
they even reference usual suspects in thisfilm? Do they? I think they
do. Someone says something about KaiserSoose in the in the interview when he's
being interrogated by Segal something. Ithink they said something about Kaiser Jose and

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referencing it. Um. I wouldn'tbe surprised, Yeah, because uh yeah,
UM, because they're they're figuring outwhat that it. The movie takes
place back and forth. Um.It starts with Luke Goss sitting um,
waiting to be integrated by Segal becausetheir mission went completely bat shit, you

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know, and people people died,and he's wondering what the hell happened?
And then it flat so it flashesback to Luke Goss in a training facility.
I'm assuming, I'm guessing he justrides it on his motorcycle and yeah,
and they're they're surprisingly okay with it. You know, just leave your
bike there, follow us. Youdon't have to be any in your in
your uniform or anything. You havea leather jacket, just follow us.

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Um. They're briefed on the Missigmission. No, no, no,
Um. Before that, Um,there's a scene with Salazar and his henchman.
I think, well, the moviethe movie opens with Salazar with Seagal's
team killing you know, titular killingof Salazar, and while there ten minutes

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and it's like it turns out Salazaris a faked his death so that he
could be caring a massive rat forthe US government. Can we talk about
the first scene with Salazar? Imean that was pretty ham fisted him playing
chess with his henchmen like who,by the way, is played by George
Saint Pierre, one of the mostdecorated UFC MMA fighters of his weight class

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of MMA period. Uh. Nota good actor though, Yeah, he's
not as good as John Claude vanDam was early in his career. I
mean I kept seeing similarities. Therewas nothing in his performance that maybe think,
oh my god, this guy's terrible. I just kind that went with
it. Um. Yeah, butthey're playing chess like a villain, does
you know, and they're playing againsteach other and he there's this thing like

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if something like you've never beat I'venever beaten you. When you do,
all of this will be orders.Yeah, so this game there can only
be one king there. That's thefucking tagline of the poster for this movie.
So um it back and forth.It shows Sigal and the forces outside

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his house ready to strike and takehim, take him down, and you
know they do. Um And Ithink his henchman was it his girlfriend where
at the beginning, Yeah, wherehe tells her to I know this is
like a female henchman. Anyway,she gets killed in the process of the
raid. Um they kill quote unquoteSalazar. Um. I think the henchman

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gets away. And then and thenit flashes back to the briefing, uh,
interrogation of Luke Goss Steven Seagal,and you know it goes to the
beginning of how we talk about thatreal quick, let's talk about this this
interrogation, because, like you said, the framing device of this movie is
everything's being told in flashback. Yeah, nothing like the movie. The final

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scene of the movie is the mostrecent thing that you see in the entire
movie, but everything else is prettymuch flashback. And Steven Seagal is letting
on throughout the beginning of the moviethat like someone was a mole, someone
was a rat, weird. Andwhat he's trying to determine is is the
rat lose the rat and is itLuke Goss's character, And so the entire

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movie is Segal asking Luke Goss's character, tell me what happened with you that
day? And I will. Wecan talk back and forth because of what
when, what happened with me,and we can try to figure out who
the mole was. And basically it'sall Luke Goss is saying. It's like,
you know more than I do.I don't know anything. You know
you know? And Seagal is ofcourse getting frustrated. He has this dial

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like, I wasn't born at night. I was born, I was born
in the day. Yeah I wasborn in like they call me when the
ship comes down. Yeah, Iwasn't born outdoors? What does that mean?
I'll give credit, you know itwas he was. It was an
okay performance from Sigal. It lookslike he's actually trying somewhat. He looked

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better when he was out in thescenes doing the because I mean, he
has a okay, he has ascene, he has action scenes. He
has a prolonged fist fight with GeorgeSaint Pierre, which a damn good one.
I thought, well, yeah,we'll talk, we'll talk about that
because it's far about that movie.But yeah, Seagal during those interview scenes
is awful. He is like,I don't know what. I don't know

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why someone didn't ask him to takeoff his leather jacket or to unzip it.
But it looked like someone's dad sittingacross from Luke Goss asking him why
I found the dubie in your closet. I mean that's what he looked like.
He's got this like leather jacket,it's like a goatee and glasses and
he's doing the low, well monotonething. It's like this is I mean,

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you don't look good. It's veryweird. It's just produced the film,
so I'm assuming he had a lotof creative control of what he could
wear. So it's not like anyhaving to stop and how many scenes he
could be sitting down? Well,I mean Seagall has to be comfortable.
I think. I think Seagal hasa lot of push and pull when he
produces a film. It's like that'swhy I think, that's why he produces

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films, so he can say,what you know, I want to sit
down, and no one will sayno to him. Yeah, remember what
Brando did on the set of Islandof Doctor Moreau, he sat and had
someone read him the lines through anearpiece. Well that you know, and
in The Godfather you would have Robert. He would have Robert Duval where his
dialogue on his on his outfit,and they would shoot um Duval from like

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the neck up sou Brando can readthe lines off of Duval. Yeah,
I mean, so it's not likeit's unheard of. It's not unheard of,
but it is. Uh, it'sa thing that I think is now
in twenty twenty one not viewed positively. No. Um, I get,
I get that's everybody has a differentprocess, because that's you know, everybody's

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acting process is different. But likethat to me seems a little intrusive to
everybody else it does. Um,and looks Marlon Brando. So no,
I mean Marlon brand I didn't theend of his career wasn't Marlon Brando?
Oh God, I mean you've seenyou've seen Island of Doctor Moreau, just
like I have. That movie iswell the guy Well, Marlon Brando was

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going to be in scary movie too, until he backed out the last minute,
I know, and then replaced withasshole James Woods. Um. Known
asshole. James. Oh God,we won't get into that because I'll go
off on a tangent. I meanit's Part and Parcel talking about Seagal that
yeah, James, M Yeah,So Seagal's like interrogating Luke Goss asking what
happened with this because it's uh whenthey're when the when the members of the

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Special Horses are briefed in the hotel, they find out Salazar wasn't dead,
right, and they find out thathe is going to be their key star
witness for the next ten years.That's the phrase they use. Ten years.
They're going to use this guy forwitnessing because they want to take down
it's bigger than the Salazar so um. But first they have to transport him,

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and so they transport him to ahotel and of course they're in the
the penthouse top floor suite, andwe find out that his henchman h wants
to kill him because he has akey to a I think as safe for
something, or say it's a safetydeposit box for safety deposit box with five

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hundred million dollars in it, soit sounded like he was saying billion.
So basically they want that key andthey want control of Salazar's empire because if
he has the money, he hasthe power. And again, everybody thinks
he's dead. Exactly, the wholeworld thinks he's dead. And this henchman
is that. This is the GeorgeSaint Pierre character. So essentially, George

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Saint Pierre hangs out in the lobbyof a hotel half of the movie basically,
and then he has two fight scenesand that's it. I mean,
George Saint Piter of all the peoplein this movie, who probably cash the
easiest paycheck, seal George George SaintPierre. Yeah, I mean he did
one fight more than Sigal did.And uh yeah, I mean he basically

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has his hench his gunmen do thework for him. Yeah, there's I
don't know how many. I don'tknow how many. I counted, like
dozens and dozens of like masked henchmenwearing skull bandana masks. Yeah. Basically,
I mean they're being pandemic safe,so profs to them. Yeah right,
um, but pretty seventeen they wereforward thinking. But you know,

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though, for like a lot,for a lot of this movie's run time,
though, I just don't find alot of the action that interesting.
It means it's just okay, right, Like there are scenes where it's like
ly on when the bad guys breakinto the penthouse and you have a shootout
in the penthouse, it's just kindof boring. It's like, do I
think the action scenes could have beena little more understandable? Because people are

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getting shot left or right? Youdon't know what the hell is, who
the hell's got shot, and whothe hell's dead? Who the hell is
you know, you know all that. And it wasn't paste very well with
the shootout scenes. I will giveyou that, But I mean they're standard.
That is that is literally all youcan say. They're standard shootout scenes.
I mean I wasn't like pissed offor annoyed by them. They were

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serviceable, like, Okay, thisis an action scene to get us to
the next scene. I will Iwill say though, like for me,
it watching a movie like this makesme really appreciate something like under Siege,
you know what I mean, Likeit really makes you appreciate a movie where
the director has an eye for action. Like as much as I don't like

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someone like Michael Bay or Zack Snyder, Wow, because of the lack of
substance to their films. I'm notgoing to sit here and tell you that
they don't know what they're doing visuallyfor the most part. Editing is a
different story, but visually, forthe most part, Michael Bay, Jerry
Bruckheimer, Gore Verbinski, Um,Zack Snyder, they all have a very

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good and the Lake, Tony Scott, yeah, and for and Michael Mann
and Steven Spielberg to some extent,and George Lucas. I mean, I
still maintain that The Rock is oneof the most well made action films ever
made. I love The Rock.That is Michael Bay peak style. But
the action was still you know,recognizable, you knew what was going on,

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and it wasn't excusing um in thisit's boring. It's well, actually
we're rephrase that. It's not boring. It's it's not very interesting. It's
just exactly like what you said,it's just standard there is it is.
It is like if you told someonetake this camera, point it in that
action and film what these two peopleare doing, don't do anything else.

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Don't don't I mean manimal mode oranything the film. For the credit I'm
giving it, I will say itdidn't really take that many chances. Um,
you know, I even with atwist at the end, like and
the twist again is so terrible twist. Yeah, there's a couple of twists
in there that I kind of rolledmy eyes at. Well, the they
essentially the two the two big twistsalmost come back to back, right like

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in two vaccines, and they theyhave no bearing on anything. The first
one has no bearing because you're like, who was who was helping them this
whole time? Well, it wasthe random bell Hoop character. Yeah,
we'll get to him in a second. Um. And then the bigger twist,
which I think we need to give. Let's address this one and then

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we'll talk about the even worse one. One of the his special the female
special Forces. I forgot if itwas special Forces or their US Marshals US
Marshals, I'm sorry. The femaleUS Marshall turns out to be Salazar's sister.
Yeah, And that comes up outof fucking nowhere. And they try

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to add flashback scenes that make it, try to make it come together.
It's like, oh, he didsay that about her. I'm like,
well, that's what are you talkingabout? What it does is it?
It does that ship where it takesa line that did not seem to be
at all ambiguous or have any sortof like hidden meaning. They force it

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Toppy and they force it. Theygo, well, didn't you understand,
And it's like no, because becauseit was like they didn't say it that
way. They didn't even deliver theline that way. No, he didn't
know, and neither force it tomid She. I mean that they forced
to quote unquote makes sense to thefilm. Yeah. And what's even less
believable, the character's name is AmandaChavez. And then they go, her

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name is Amanda Chavez Salazar. Okay, she is clearly Latino. Yes,
she is Latino. She is nota Russian character's sister. No, what
are you talking about? Movie?Like, they figure she's she looks ethnic
ethnic enough to pass for Russian,to which I call fucking bullshit. She's

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very clearly not like it's the twistis so tacked on that I genuinely feel
like it makes no sense and italmost makes me Yeah, I mean she
is shot in the film, butnot fatally, so you know she's gonna
come back in some aspect later inthe film. Right. Um. The

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rest of the rest of the ofthe of the US Marshal's Um, there's
I forgot the ones name. He'slike supposed to be the leader, um
telling everybody what your MIC's out.Dude, there it is again, I
can't hear you. The character's nameis sconycon Yeah. Yeah, he's somewhat
likable. I mean he's yeah,I sure. I mean again, this

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movie is it's it's just okay.Like again, I like you mentioned,
if we're going to talk about alot of this movie, a lot of
it doesn't have Segal. So thestuff that has Segal, like you've said,
is is pretty good, except forhis interrogation scenes, Like I mean,
it has more Segal than I expectedit to have to be honest.
Yeah. Yeah, And you know, given how Vernon has talked about some

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of the more recent stuff that hehas seen when we spoke with him,
I'm surprised, given what we've seen, what he has said, and my
personal internalized expectations, I'm surprised thatwe saw him doing anything other than sit
behind a desk. I mean,he gets in on the action a few
times, which I was raiding thebuilding, and towards the end of the

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movie, I was happy to seehe had his gun. He was shooting
motherfuckers, he was taking people down, he had he was using his his
fighting, which I was afraidly we'reonly going to have that one small scene
of fighting where they bring the guyout that um Luke Goss character thought was
dead and that guy thinks Luke Gossis the trader or the rat, and
so um Stephen Seagal uses some ofhis fight techniques to take him down and

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to restrain him. I thought,is that going to be the only Sigal
thing We're going to see in thisfilm? You know? Shockingly it was
not what it was. We getto see Seagal face off against George Saint
Pierre, and I guess what isthe climax of the movie? Yeah,
and it was a I thought itwas a good fight. Yeah, But
here's the here's the kind of fuckingstrange thing in this movie. Okay,

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Luke Goss is what in this movie? He's the primary protagonist, right,
Why is Luke Goss not fighting GeorgeSaint Pierre because Segal's the producer? Well
that's while I appreciate and agree withyou, that is not the answer that
makes sense if we're talking about inthe logic of the film. It doesn't
have to make sense. It's it'swell, it doesn't make sense because Seagal

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should never have been the one fightingthe films villain that should have been the
protagonist of the film. I mean, Luke Goss is you could tell you
know Luke Goss is perfectly capable ofhandling a fight scene because they show it
in the film. He's fighting likeall the time. And Luke Goss fighting
GSP is still unbelievable because I knowhow talented GSP is as an MMA star.

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But it's even less believable to watchSteven Seagal whoop George Saint Pierre's ass.
I have to admit I don't knowmuch about UFC fighting Um. George
Japierre only sounds a little familiar tome. I don't watch it. All
I know is that Joe Rogan likesit a lot. Well, he's a
well he's a commentator. Yeah,he's a commentator, and he's he also

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doesn't he also fight sometimes? No, I don't know. He's he's he's
a workout bro. He's a coolguy, super cool. Are you being
sarcastic? Being facetious? Jesus noton the list of people that I am
sitting here advocating people go listen totheir show. Well he just got COVID,
so good for him. I'm surehe took ivermectin to get better.
Yeah, well, bunch of fuckingsheep eat your animal drugs. Yeah well

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it's apple flavored, so I mean, of course it is. Oh god,
thank god we have editing functions sowe can edit the shit out.
But I as as as good asI found as entertaining as I found the
scene between Seagal and George Saint Pierre, I could not suspend my disbelief as
much as the movie wanted me to. I think they made the guy who

(25:32):
turned out to be the rat.They made him more of a of a
formidable villain than he needed to be. Oh, Mike Darryl, the Mike
Darrow, it's like, and partof me was thinking, oh, of
course he's the rat. A fuckingcourse, the guy's the rat. I
mean, it was pretty he's not. He's an extraneous character who'd adds nothing
to the film. Of course they'regoing to make him the fucking rats.

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And he shows up at the beginning, puts them onto the mission, and
then leaves, and then comes back. Gee, I wonder why, Yeah,
wonder why he's there? And thenyou know that's Luke Goss's main fight.
They just switched it, had LukeGoss fight George Champierre and have Seagal
fight um Darrow the d EA agent, or did the bad us Marshal?

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Did Darrow think he was going toget the five million or just like part
of it or something? I guess. So that's kind of what I picked
up for the movie. It's notbecause that's the only remon he's helping him,
I assume. So I assume thatGeorge Saint Pierre would give the crooked
d the crooked US Marshall character acut of the money, of course,
for helping him kill or let himknow where the shark is. Yeah,

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and you know, I mean thatwas one of the twists. I thought,
oh god, they phoned that.They basically handed that to us on
a platter. I look, Ihaven't particularly he wasn't a particularly threatening until
he starts whooping Luke Goss's ass allof a sudden, unbelievably, by the
way, I'm sorry, I don'tbelieve that he got that many things on

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Luke Goss. I think my issuewith that in and of itself is just
this idea that there needed to bea character other than George Saint Pierre for
Luke Goss to fight, because StevenSeagal had to be the one to fight
George Saint Pierre. So it justit it falls flat because again that's predicated
on a twist mattering. Well,they tried and think it does well.

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They try to and they try tomake um Salazar a anti protagonist, anti
hero kind of person kind because he'slike, you know, go with me,
I will, I will. Youknow I can't do Russian act sent
I can show you, you know, how to get out of the hotel
safely, you know, the exit, because it turns out that is it

(27:44):
is his hotel. He owns thehotel. Of course, Um, of
course he does, um, becausethat how else would they know every nook
and cranny at the hotel, becauseyou know, if he didn't own the
hotel, it would just be ridiculous. Right, Um, let's get to
um the ell boy because the thirdtwist or fourth luck yeah, because they're
they're up at the top floor.Luke Goss sees this guy on the balcony

(28:07):
on the phone and Luke Goss,you know, suspects. You know,
he shouldn't be there. Well,he shouldn't be there, you know,
because it's supposed to be clear,didn't They say the building was supposed to
be empty of people, and yetwhen you see the lobby, there's people,
there's guests coming in and out.Yeah, yeah, I think so
fuck Like, I was so confused. They go the hotel's empty, they

(28:30):
closed it down, there's nobody here. And then then the next scene,
here comes the Ukrainian football team,which is the you know, the bad
guys into It's yeah, it's theIt's what they said in the scene before
that, there was going to benobody at the hotel, and yet there's
the cots at the desk and everythingelse. I didn't understand. Why did
they need the disguise they're terrorists,Just break into the fucking place, and

(28:52):
you know that's what they ended updoing. Anyways, Yeah, they ended
up just you know, they endedup clearing the bottom floor because everybody else
left. I think, um,but let's get back to the bellboy.
They see him on the balcony.They you know, Luke Goss of course,
is you know, meaning to besuspicious because nobody's supposed to be there.
He's talking on the phone to afriend of his and smoking a joint.
And they make too big of adeal out of a guy smoking a

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joint. They make too big adeal out of this joint. Bro,
You're gonna fuck this whole thing upfor us. Yeah, And they make
too big of a deal out ofhim having a joint. It's like because
Luke Goss, Because Luke Goss bringsit back to his partners and they're like,
that's weed, And I think theywere suspecting that he was smoking it
or some shit like that. I'mtrying to fuck us up already. Like,
it's a tiny fucking joint. Idon't think it's going to ruin an

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operation. You know what I findfunny about this entire movie. This entire
movie is predicated on the idea thatthe US Marshals are so bad at their
job that they couldn't background check tomake sure that one of these people that
they send on this mission isn't relatedrelated by related biologically. Not his wife,

(29:59):
because his wife gets murdered in themovie because she was the leverage,
but his fucking biological sister, andthey sent her to protect him. What
they don't docs very well in thefilm, do they get I guess not.
But it's just that is like ifyou I'm not even sure I can
really get over that, Like thatis something you're mentioning all these things,

(30:19):
not that you're mentioning these things.I'm like, yeah, that is a
little ridiculous. Um, if yoususpend disbelief enough, you can get through
this movie. But the problem is, well, not much. Just get
through it. I think you couldenjoy it at house. I can suspend
disbelief to a point. The problemwith this movie is I think it's almost
too much. And that's self inflicted. It's those these constant twists. Yeah,

(30:41):
it definitely pushes the my disbelief factors, like, oh, it's just
oh, give me a break,his sister. I mean, yeah,
it's it's it's too much. Andat the end another thing that well,
I don't know if it disbelieve becauseLuke Gos ends up with the key at
the end, he lets them go. Well, he still thinks that the

(31:03):
female agent that he you know,kissed right before the kind of climax of
the film. He still thinks thatshe's being kidnapped by Salazar. It turns
out she's just leaving with them becauseshe's his sister. Oh yeah, because
they had that Kaiser. So's amoment of oh my god, what did
he What does she say? She'slike, he says, I'll do anything
to get her back, and he'slike, I hope so, And it's

(31:25):
like, what is he gonna gokill Salzar? He's gonna go work with
Salazar. Salazar gave him money.I don't know, Yeah, I don't.
I don't understand what this movie was. Even if even if he almost
kissed her, they didn't set upa potential romance at all. No,
it's it's basically it fails to becktelTest immediately. Because she's in the film,

(31:47):
she's a female agent. Of coursethey're gonna have to hook her up
with the lead mail for whatever reason. No chemistry whatsoever, no purpose,
no chemistry Whatso the steamer they areabout to kiss, I was like,
don't shoot fucking do this. Theyhave kids sit in the basement of the
building. But it's like that it'snot much. No, it isn't.
She's a female character in an actionfilm and the lead character is an attractive

(32:09):
male. Put two or two together. Apparently screenwriters. She's a lead,
she's the second lead. She's theonly female lead in the film. Of
course she has to be with theother lead. It's a low budget action
to be honest, she doesn't reallyhave that much dialogue either. She's given
almost nothing to do. No,she isn't she's she's there to get shot,
be out of commission for most ofthe film. Then to find out

(32:31):
she sALS our sister. She islike the Bellboy. The Bellboy is just
a throwaway character you until just likeyou think he's just like this comic relief
character they put in the film.Turns out nope, he's working with the
he's working with the bad guys.And she as a character that you think
is just supposed to be the loveinterest, turns out that she's Salas our

(32:52):
sister. It is so lazy,It's so unbelievably lazy. Yeah. I
don't expect much from these movies,but I don't need these movies too complicate
themselves beyond need Like it's this isneedlessly complicated and needlessly twist heavy. Um.
Yeah, the twists were unnecessary,to say the least. That Bellboy

(33:14):
character could have been exercised and nothingwould have been lost. Not did they
have to show Why did they haveto reveal him? And he doesn't do
anything. He does not do anything, even as a bad guy. He
doesn't fucking do anything exactly. Andhe's like, he actually does nothing.
He's revealed to be working with thebad guys and that's it. Nothing.

(33:35):
He doesn't try to fight anybody.He doesn't like anything. He's wait,
the right the bellboys? What well? And the fact that they make such
a big deal out of the factthat it's like they're like they pull open
the card door and there's the bellboyand he's like sorry, man, it's
like what who the fuck? What? So what Like Yeah, it's like

(33:55):
what, okay, you work withthe bad guy? So what were you
doing like relaying information to him theentire time? Like are you telling him
where we are? I don't know. Yeah, I could not, for
the life of me figure out why. I have no idea, no earthly
goddamn I. Even as a comicrelief, he was he was pretty bad.
I mean he's only not his onlyenough to be even comic relief.

(34:19):
His only um thing we're supposed tofind funny is oh my god, he's
smoking pot. Yeah, whoop youfucking do? Especially even in twenty seventeen
that was like, so he's smokinga joint. So Keyanni Waxman, great
name. By the way, weare going to be watching a lot of
Keianni Waxman's films. Oh, he'sa Segal regular, hunh. Keianni Waxman

(34:40):
is a film director known for hiswork with Segal. Segal said, I
think that Keioni is one of thebrightest young men out there. I think
he's a very good director. Ithink he has a wonderful story mind,
which is important. In other words, he doesn't just have to film what's
on the page. He understands what'son the page. I think he's a
wonderful director who understands editing, looping, dubbing, mixing, folly. He

(35:02):
just understands all that stuff. He'sa very he's a great friend, very
ethical, and very moral, towhich Keyannie replied, you're not helping.
I don't need your endorsements. Yeah, so he Yeah. By the way,
Keyanni Waxman sounds like a name forif they made a biography film but
they couldn't legally use Keanu Reeves hisname, they would just change it to

(35:24):
Keyanni Waxman, Keyanni Waxman. Itsounds like a surfer name back. It
does. So he would start workingwith Sigal in two thousand and nine,
and he would work with Sigal allthe way up until Cartels. So we
have a fair amount of Keyanni Waxmanfilms that we will be checking out.
I mean, he's not a he'snot a terrible director, but he's not

(35:46):
a very good writer. He isstunningly competent. It's a competent lead directed
film. That's what I'll say.It's not a competently written film. Not
a a problem. I mean,I will give Keyanni Waxman credit for how
good the film looks for the mostpart, but it is not a well
well written film. Um. AndI'm gonna give he's not filmed with him,

(36:09):
has other credits, but those creditsare not any sort of like world
renowned things. I mean, he'sjust a working screenwriter. Um. Can
I talk about something? When Seagaland George ship are first fight, they
fall off this balcony to the floorlike this is this is a pretty high
fall. Seagal gets up nothing,brother, huh, he no sells it?

(36:32):
Brother? Now he gets up likeit wasn't even a fall. He's
like, he's like, it's almostlike he fell out of his chair and
got up. Yeah, that's whatwe call Saint Pierre selling. George Saint
Pierre sells it a little bit more, yeah, but not by much.
And those flat backed flat back bumpedup the ground like they fucking they hit

(36:53):
the ground hard on their backs.Like yeah, they should be either paralyzed
or dead. Yeah. Like andplus George Saint Pierre takes a lot of
fucking blows in this film. Imean he falls, he Segal hits him
and falls into a glass table.Nope, nothing cuts him. Um they
someone someone needs to tell George Satan. Someone needs to walk George Saint Pierre

(37:15):
through how to Die in an actionmovie, because the facial expressions that he
was made when he dies were absolutelywild, almost like he was smiling.
Yeah, because it okay, AndI would have loved if that had been
him. He was like a sadisticvillain who like took pleasure in pain like

(37:35):
that. But he wasn't written thatway. He was just written as he
was just written as villain could jumpedto ben Damn. So we got George
Saint Pierre. And by the way, when Seagal the final blow ends up
being just a stab in the neck, that stab did not slow push into
the neck. That was not believable. Looking in them slight, it looked
like he was doing you know howas a kid you would stick something behind

(37:58):
and make it look like it's inyour neck. That's what exactly, That's
how it looks. Yeah, likethe George Pierre falls and is gurgling blood
and smiling, it's yeah, it'sagain, It's it's funny. This is
a very kind of by the numbersaction movie. But there are some weird
There are some weirdo things in herethat kind of make it not fun.

(38:21):
But like the way George Saint Pierredies, I think is amusing. The
screenwriting was strange. The version thatI watched, with the subtitles that I
watched, I think I was probablymore amused by that than anything else.
Yeah, I mean, because wehadn't talked about. The version that you
and I watched was Aalentian It wasin Italian. It was called Killing Salazar,

(38:44):
which is the overseas title for thefilm, and it had subtitles.
It had Italian subtitles, and thenthe version that I watched, I put
English subtitles on it, and thoseare open source subtitles. And the subtitles,
like we were talking about before westarted recording, changed words to be
unoffensive. They mean the same thing, but it's worded differently. It's not

(39:07):
about derogatory. I tried another subtitle. Um. The something I ended up
using had the words exactly as they'resaid, but all the swear words had
like you know, you know howin when you're censoring a swear word online
you put you know s star startright. That's what they did in the
film. But sometimes you watched inthe Virgin that I watched, So the

(39:30):
version that I watched was different fromthe one that you The subtitles that you
had were different from the ones thatI had. Yeah, like I said,
I have changed the words. Idon't know. These these were verbatim
the words that were said in thefilm, and um and start them out
exactly and uh, because there werescenes in the film where the characters speak

(39:52):
Russian or Spanish or whatever and it'sand it's not subtitles. And if I
didn't have the subtitles on, Iwouldn't know what the fuck was going on.
And the beginning of the film,there's a scroll that's an Italian and
if I didn't have the subtitles on, I wouldn't know, So I wouldn't
have known who who this sala is, our guy is, or what he
does if I hadn't read the subtitles. So I mean, I mean that

(40:14):
is the problem. Idio. Youprobably don't have that problem. Yeah,
we probably don't have that problem inthe cartels Us version. So this is
just killing you know, if youwant to go see the film, I'm
sure whatever version you watch will befine. We watched an Italian version.
I do want to point something elseout, and this is something we kind
of have joked about a little bit, but looking at the poster for this

(40:36):
movie, you know what, Ithink these movies should be called as opposed
to like direct to streaming red boxaction movies. This literally looks like something
that is meant to get people torent it by either accident or because they
know Stevens at all. Well,red box is only what a dollar I
think dollar fifty. I have nofun. It's something some guy would like,
let's see what's dude leaving Walmart orWalgreen would rent it along with whatever

(41:01):
his wife wanted, go home,crack open some Miller lights, watch what
she wants. When she falls asleep, he gets to watch this movie.
It's entertaining enough boom bang action,whoopdie do. That's like, that's that
is pretty much the description of thefilm. Entertaining enough, what bang who
do? Yeah, Like, Ijust look at this movie. I look

(41:21):
at a lot of the posters fora lot of these streaming Seagal movies,
and they all look the same.Lens flare, kind of lighting effects,
seal at the center, the floatingheads. Yeah, like yeah, yeah,
they're they're just kind of like thereor you know, kind of action
pose. And it's like but it'salways kind of the three, you know,
it's in man, it's they alllook the same. I hope that

(41:43):
they stand out enough to be memorable. But like this and some of these
other ones that like if you justgo on Seagals filmography and look, a
lot of them are just the posterslook the same. And I'm just sitting
here thinking to myself, Oh God, I really hope that they are better,
like they do more to differentiate themselvesfrom one another than this one did.

(42:06):
Because yeah, I think what weneed is a Drew Strewsanne or a
Stephen Chorney to design a Segal posterto to just it would have been Undersiege,
right like, oh god, yeah, that would have been the movie
to get a Drew strus And poster, right, Oh god. I mean
that poster for Undersiege is iconic asfuck. It's a great poster. I
like. Actually, I like Understiagetwo Dark Territories poster too, where he's

(42:28):
hanging on to the side of thetrain and holding up the gun. Yeah,
well that's a good poster. Well. Look, I think everybody who
listens to this show and or listensto my other show knows why we love
under Siege two. It's not justbecause of Seagal. I mean, well,
I mean, but we loved thatmovie before we met Richard. So
I loved it before I met youor Richard. Yeah, it was.

(42:49):
It was a seminal. It wasa seminal theatrical growing experience for me when
I was growing up. You know. The other reason we like it because
it is better than the first one. I think it's much more novel than
the first one. It's it's alot, it takes a lot. I
mean, remember how we're talking aboutstretching like believability. I know under Siege
two does that, but for somereason it does it so well, we

(43:12):
just don't mind it. You knowwhy you don't mind it in under Siege
two is because under Siege two isa movie where the villain is trying to
destroy the world. Therefore, believabilityjust kind of goes out the window.
For me, It's like James Bond, right, Like, I don't need
James Bond to be rooted in reality. He's a world trotting secret agent.
I don't need him to be darkand gritty. Come on, no,

(43:32):
I mean, fuck it, Imean Casey Rode a chef. Yeah,
that's what I mean. I lovethat, like I love I do love
realistic action movies. I do.I like Casino Royale, I like Batman
Begins, I like, I don'tknow. I mean, I don't want
to keep naming them because we couldgo on all afternoon. But the movie

(43:53):
like this, like Cartels, it'strying to do what under Siege two did,
but without any of the flare,without any of the kind of tongue
in cheekness of it. It's justlike very villain, well, the villain,
the stakes of the villain aren't veryhigh. It's just he just wants,
you know, five hundred million dollarsin control of his drug cartel.

(44:14):
I'm assuming he's a drug dealer.Yeah, they never really get into that
much. Like I said, whenwe when we end up talking about under
Siege two, it's gonna be along episode because we got a lot to
say. Yeah, and it's gonnabe a good episode. Also, the
other thing about a lot of thoseearly Sigal movies is that we kind of
haven't really talked about. In thismovie hilariously tries to convince us of this.

(44:38):
All these movies look like they werefilmed in fucking Romania because they were
film Well, I mean it's cheapto film. I'm assuming that's why they
do it. But they all looklike Romania. Yeah, it's it's very
much. It's very much like weget at tax credit. We can film
there. It's cheap, we canget it done bing bom boom within a
couple of weeks. Yeah, itto me is it to me is very

(45:01):
funny because the thing that I worryabout with these movies is them all looking
the same. And I know thatthat's going to be the case in a
lot of these movies cases because theyare filmed in Romania, Bulgaria, Eastern
New York, China. Yeah,they all look the same. They're all
like Eastern blockhousing, giant concrete buildings. I mean, at least at least

(45:24):
with uh, with why are youforgetting um the one we ended up really
liking, Oh, Attrition, Attrition. At least with attrition. The visuals,
you know, didn't look like umthey were filmed in you know,
Bulgarias. They were interesting visuals ofthe city of I think it was like
Japan or China or something like that. Forgive me, I'm sounding incredibly No,

(45:46):
I think it's I think it wassomewhere in Southeast Asia, and you
know, and they were interesting.You know, it wasn't you didn't You
didn't get the you didn't get thepath, like, oh, they're just
filming it here because at tax creditsthey actually put the culture into the film,
because that's what Sigal's character was.Yep, this film. They're in
Romania because it's cheaper to film,and apparently the Russian owns property in Romania.

(46:09):
I guess sure, why not.Let's let's let's just believe that and
that that I can easily like letgo. I'm like, okay, well
he owns property in Bulgaria and whateveror Romania whatever. Um, I don't
know. I just there's so muchabout these movies that, like I'm sitting
here just having seen Beyond the Lawand General Commander. This movie feels just

(46:30):
like those movies in a lot ofways, Like it's made but little bit
more palatable because Seagal is in itmore. He is in it more than
he's in either of those movies.I like, I still stand by it's
a watchable, um time waster.I mean, but it's it's not expect
that's not some sort of like glowingand it's but it's not meant to be

(46:51):
sure I'm point yeah, I'm justsaying to the fact, like if you
if you want to spend an hourforty minutes to watch this, you won't
be disappointed. Um you may laughat some of the laughable, but you
won't be mad that you watched it. It's you know, it's a lot
of his straight activity. It's alot you know it. It's a level
above China salesman. It is ofeleven. Let's put it this way.

(47:13):
Of the things we've seen so far, be it beyond the Law, General
Commander or China Salesman. I'm leavingAttrition out because Attrition doesn't have guns.
Attrition is not a action movie inthe same sense that these three are or
this one. This is the bestof the four that we've seen so far.
Um. Yeah, like I said, it's competently directed. Um,

(47:34):
Luke Waxman actually made got something.Keani Waxman got Siagal to do something.
I mean, Luke goss Um wasa likable, you know, route fable.
I guess is that a word actionhero. Luke goss did a great
job. Um, I was betterthan Johnny. He did a better job
than Johnny Messner did, which isthe only other close comparison that we have,

(47:57):
because that's another movie where Seagal's notthe lead. You know, I
think they use Seagal more than hisusual straight to video stuff. Well,
the stuff that we've seen. Imean, I can't comment on anything.
I feel like Segal was trying.I feel like Segal was trying to act
here, even though you didn't thinkit was a very good performance. I
feel like he was trying to comeoff, you know, like a grizzled

(48:20):
old you know, grizzled US forcesare you know whatever, who's you know,
just seen it all and just wantsto get answers. And he does
a competent enough job. Um so, I mean, I can't be mad
at it. And his fight scenesare are enjoyable to watch. They're not
You're not sitting there like, ohmy god, it's fat Segal trying to
fight someone you don't you don't Imean I kind of was like that.

(48:45):
But that's also because they had himfight George Saint fucking Pierre. If he
was fighting that dirty US marshal,I would agree with you. I have
a hard time suspending disbelief on GeorgeSaint Pierre. I maybe it's because I
don't know much about Joy Pierre.That's fair. If you don't know much
about Georgan St Pierre, you mightfind the fight more believable than than Chris

(49:06):
did. Like I didn't know muchabout him. I'm not, like I
said, a big UFC fighter,you know, but the fight out thought
was believable enough, you feel,right between Tyson and Seagal believable. Yeah,
I don't even know that. Thislike small little fight they had,
but I'm asking, like, didyou find that believable? Yeah? Actually,
I mean I would agree. Iwould agree with you. These are

(49:27):
two men. I'm assuming they're aroundsimilar ages, there are similar points in
their careers. I can believe thatthose two will you know, decent fight.
Um, I agree. I justI think for George Saint Pierre,
imagine it this way. Watching Seagaland George Saint Pierre fight in this movie
would be like if you were watchingSeagal fight Mike Tyson five years past his

(49:50):
prime. Okay, you'd be likethis. You'd be like, this guy
was just doing the thing that he'sknown for and is decorated for within the
last five years. I I cannotbuy this legit old man fighting him.
I can agree with you on that, Yeah, I can. I can
say that. Um yeah, Butlike I said, I wasn't looking at
the fight thinking this is so fuckingunbelievable other than the fall from the from

(50:13):
the balcony show on their back.Um, come on, so I'll at
least act like you're having a hardtime getting up off the floor. He
just gets up like he tripped.Um. I think ultimately was something like
this, Like you've said, youcould do much worse. Oh, you
can do a lot. I've seenworse. I've seen worse action movies than
this. You and me have seenboth seen worse, and we've seen the

(50:35):
same worse. Yeah, well,I look, I think China Salesman is
in a league of its own.Like China Salesman is is one of the
worst movies I've ever seen. Itdefinitely is one of the worst times I've
ever seen. I never want tosee it again. I wanted to burn
in the fiery pits of film.Hell. You know, a Chinese propaganda
nonsense is just it wasn't even welldone propaganda. No, No, it

(50:58):
was not. It was. Ithink it was very obvious it was propaganda.
It's a good thing. I wasn'tcomparing this to China Salesman, which
it's not the reason I somewhat enjoyedit. It wasn't because I was comparing
a child's mother. It was justbecause I was clearing my head with all.
Like I said in previous podcasts,when I watched a Cigal film,
I clear my head and I goin with no explications whatsoever. Yeah,

(51:20):
I don't even and synopsises for thesemovies. I didn't read one review.
I didn't read one. I reada brief synopsis of the film, which
didn't really explain much. But that'sall I did. I you know,
I didn't look at batter reviews orany you know, commentary on it.
I just sat and watched it knowingnothing and was pleasantly and you know,
surprised by how much I someone enjoyedit. It's a it's a it's a

(51:42):
two and a half star action film. So ponytail yes or ponytail no.
I'm gonna go ponytail yes on thisum because I'm I'm gauging it on if
a regular, you know, casualviewer would enjoy the film, and I
think they might enjoy it, youknow, I don't think, let's face,
a lot of casual viewers aren't acriticals we are, don't see the

(52:04):
flaws as much as we do.It has to do a lot less for
them to be entertained exactly, andI think they will do just enough for
them to enjoy themselves. So I'mgiving it a pony telout. Yeah me
too, I think I don't lookI don't again. I will be so
curious when we're done with this show, when we hit the moment where we
catch up with ourselves. I'm goingto be so curious to see where we

(52:27):
come down on these direct to streamingmovies, because so far, so far,
we're taking count right now, Beyondthe Law was just okay. General
Commander was just okay. Attriction waspretty good. China Salesman was a fucking
nightmare. This movie was just okay. I will tell you right now.
Even with just these movies the waythat they are, I am surprised how

(52:52):
not bad these are given what myexpectation was. Yeah, me too,
I'm surprised that they're they're, youknow, competent enough, watchable enough.
They're not Schwartzenegger movies. They don'tthey don't much. They don't ask much
of the of the viewer. They'relike, you know what this is.
It doesn't pretend to be more thanit is. I think that's what my

(53:14):
problem with China Salesman was. Itwas pretending to be something that it ended
up not even trying be. Ohagain, China Salesman is literally a bait
and switch. Like again, Iwill stand by that that movie should never
have gotten released. People should neverhave paid anyone who paid money to see
or rent that film should have beenrefunded because they paid to see five minutes

(53:35):
of a two and a half hourgoddamn movie. I saw it for free
and I'm still feeling ripped off.Yeah, and look, we're entering now
in an area with Segal's films,where again, I don't even know some
of these other people in these moviesthat we're gonna watch. It's not even
like GSP. It's like again,we're going back to Segal is literally the

(53:58):
only one in the movie. Theymight be stars of their perspective, countries
that they're from, maybe, butyeah, nothing I've really heard of.
No. I may have heard oflike a couple because I've seen them in
like bit parts in character character actorsthat I've seen in other films. But
that's about it. Yeah, butthe next film, I'm interested. I'm
interested to see what the rest ofthese streaming movies are. We say this

(54:20):
every show, but I'm so excitedto see where the rest of these go,
because I'm hoping they're more like Attrition, which they kind of have been
so far. There's I would rewatchCartels if someone wanted to. Yeah,
I mean, if someone said,hey, can we watch Cartel I'm like,
oh, sure, we'll would be. I would ask, hey,
have you seen Attrition or have youseen any of have you seen any of
these other Seagal movies. This wouldn'tbe at the top of the list,
but it wouldn't be at the bottomeither. Like solid middle. It's a

(54:44):
solid middle. Yeah, I agree. So what are we talking about On
the next episode, Trevor, wewill be talking about the environmental Seagal classic
On Deadly Ground and may or maynot have had two hours excised from the
end of it, where Seagal goeson a two hour rant about environment toalism.
Let's let's not spoil it for thelisteners. We'll get to that is
there, Dan, It's not there. Don't go watch it looking for it.

(55:06):
Okay, it's just it's not there. Just the heads up. Oh,
it's one of the great missing footageof Hollywood. You know. It's
the footage from Magnificent Anderson's the lostending to Fucking Citizen Kane and the two
hour xize speech from on Deadly Ground. I'm just looking forward to seeing Michael
Kane b A Villy And you've neverseen On Deadly Ground, right, No,
I haven't. This is gonna bea new one for me, and

(55:27):
I'm excited. I'm really excited ithad they Yeah, it for me,
And you know, we talked aboutthis with Verne a lot. We're going
to talk about it a lot onthe next episode. I've actually talked about
this movie on my own show.On Deadly Ground and Fire down Below for
me, along with Under Siege,two are the Sigal movies that are the
most intriguing because, like Verne said, I will echo it one hundred percent,

(55:52):
they at least on Deadly Ground anddefinitely well, definitely on Deadly Ground,
but also Fire down Below are verypersonal films. I mean only Ground
is singles only directorial um venture,So yeah, it's deeply personal to him.
So I think on dead I thinkI'm really excited to hear what you
think about on Deadly Ground because itis a trip. It really is.

(56:14):
Yeah. Um, when you saydirector, it reminds me. Did you
ever see that mad TV skit withSteven Sigall? I think I know what
is it? Um? Is itwith him? Or is no? It's
with us Will Sasso? Right right? No, No, not Will Sasso.
This is before Will Sasso. It'swith Brian Callen um and he's directing
a film about uh oh god,about the uh I forgot the name of

(56:37):
the case. But it was wherethe black teenagers wanted to go to the
school and George Wallace was forbidding,you know, trying to get them to
not Selma. No, no,no, not Selma. It's a different
one. Oh, I know whatyou're doing. But where the kids were
like escorted to school by exactly.Yeah. Yeah, there's that famous there's
that famous scene in Forrest Gump whereForrest gold mayam you dropped your book.

(56:59):
It's that so and Seagal's playing SeagalBrian Callen as Seagal. He's directing the
film and basically doing a Robert DownyJr. And putting and doing the film
in blackface. Oh my god,I will next one is on Deadly Ground,
and I cannot wait because it isIt truly is a strange, wonderful,

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little weird ass Steven Seagal action.Oh and I can't wait to watch
it because I know you have amazingtaste in film. Yeah, that's uh
yeah, yeah, So Trevor,where can people find you when you're not
here? You can find me onTwitter at bad Vertigo Instagram at mad Vertigo
and you can find me once oncea month. I believe on the Culture
Cast with my friend here Chris.Stash you and where Chris? Where can

(57:45):
people find you? C stashu dotcom. C stacchiw dot com is my
link tree. That's where you cango to find out more about the shows
that I'm on. And that's it. I do the Culture Cast Scary Stories.
We tell all kinds of stuff.That's where you can find that.
You can find a show on theinternet at on cigal dot com. You
should also check out Verne's book,Cigology. You can get that on Amazon

(58:07):
Prime for both your kindle or aphysical copy. And you know what,
Verne's awesome. If you haven't listenedto our episode with Verne, go check
that out. Under Siege. Wetalked to like two and a half hours
about Segal under Siege, all kindsof stuff. But yeah, if that's
something you're into, awesome. Ifnot, just keep listening to this show.
I'll catch you on the next episode.