19: Fire Down Below

Steven Seagal is one of the biggest action stars of the '90s, starring in some of the biggest action films of the decade. He ended up dropping off the radar completely in the early 2000s, being relegated to the Walmart bargain bins and truck stop DVD corners. Mainstream action fans all but forget his talents, but no longer.

The Kulturecast's Chris Stachiw and film critic Trevor Gumbel continue their downhill jog through the stoic world of everyone's favorite portly Aikido master with Fire Down Below. Starring Steven Seagal and Marg Helgenberger, he must stop a nefarious Kris Kristoffersen from poisoning a peaceful Appalachian town with his chemical waste.

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Episode Transcript

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Mmm, Hello everyone, and welcometo On Seagal, the only podcast on

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the Internet all about everyone's favorite IiketoMaster Steven Seagal. I am one of
your hosts, Chris Dashue, thehost of The Culture Cast, and I
am Trevor Gumble and I am alsoco host of on Segal and occasional co
host of The Culture Cast. AndChris, I think it's been burning when

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IP lately. I think I havea veneral D disease because I have a
it feels like a fire down belowand had to work hard to get to
that one. I feel like,yeah, I really did. I thought
you were gonna I thought you weregonna say something about a firecrotch. I
mean, I guess you did saya firecrotch of a different sort. I
guess yeah. But it wouldn't ifyou If you don't, if you don't

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know what we're talking about, andyou've clicked on this by accident, well
hello, welcome. You're listening toa podcast that's an audio experience. Least
turn us off. But if youare here, you know what we're gonna
be talking about. We're gonna talkabout a little film from nineteen ninety seven
that well, in a lot ofways. One might say it was a
it was a turning point for ourour dear friend, mister Steven Seagal.

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But we're talking about a film thatcame out in nineteen ninety seven, and
it was his final film released intheaters to film chock full of country Western
singers, point guns of people.We're talking about nineteen ninety seven's Fire down
below. So the film is directedby Felix Enriquez Alcala and it stars,
yes, well, it stars theone and only Steven Seagal as Jack Taggart,

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a man from the EPA who goesto a small town in Kentucky to
stop Chris Christofferson from dumping cyanide intothe water supply. Yes, this is
actually the plot of this movie,and no, I'm not kidding. Steven
Seagal falls in love with Mark Helligenberger, a woman who is attempting to have
a relationship with the cinematic equivalent ofa Tueby for Harry Dean stant is also

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in the film, playing a manwho might be slow, but we don't
actually know, because the movie doesn'tactually know. And there's also a weird
subplot with Stephen Lang playing an incestuousbrother to Mark Helligenberger. Boy, this
movie is a mouthful and this isa lot to get out of the way
out of it right at the top. But Trevor, what did you think
of Fire down Below? A movieI know you had never seen before.

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I'm gonna say this right off thebat. This is one of Steagall's best
performances. Yeah, because this Seagalactually tries to emote, He actually tries
to be charming, to be youknow, likable, and unfortunately it's in
a movie that is cut to hell. This movie was butchered man. It's

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written by Jeb Stewart, And ifthat name sounds familiar to you, he
was the screenwriter of what many consideran action classic, if not the best
action film ever made, die HardAnd Yeah, and when they're going to
say The Fugitive also an action classic, he wrote that too. Yeah.

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I don't know how he got ropedinto this. Maybe it was a victim
of one of the Seagal's little rewrites. But all I know is his script
and the final product got chopped upto hell. Like there are tons and
tons of deleted scenes in this filmof this film, and you can tell
because there are moments in this filmwhere it seems to cut out of nowhere,

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like it's a sudden cut, Likeit seems like they're in the middle
about to say something and it cutsto the next scene. Yeah. I
you know, there's not a lotof like information on Wikipedia or other sources
about this movie. I mean,we do know that there are a lot
of deleted scenes in this movie,probably similarly to On Deadly Ground. We

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know that movie had a lot ofcuts made to it, right, like
a literal hour long finale. Ithink this movie had similar things going on
clearly. And I'm gonna agree withwith you on this. I think is
Steven Seagal's best post Undersea performance,Which are the bigger movies that he's doing
lesslie like Cop on the Ground inBrooklyn beating the shit out of people with

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poolballs in a sock. Like he'snot doing that anymore. He's taking on
big worldly or global or bigger threatslike an entire town and see and I
guess Aquifer being destroyed by Chris Christofferson'scharacter. Yeah, all that aside,
Steven Seagal is really good in thismovie. But he's also again like he's

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restraining himself but he, like yousaid, he's restraining himself from doing the
fucking whisper talking shit that he wasdoing in Glimmerman. Because he was doing
it in Glimmerman, he doesn't doit a lot here. He's like you
said, he's kind of charming andhe does have some good comebacks in one
liners and quips. I mean,he's not like without the charm here,
and he can turn it on.It's just like, hey, he turned
it on a little too late,dude, because at this point your career

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is going to be very different postto this movie. And as I was
watching his film and his performance,I was thinking, this is the same
guy from like the China Thing andAbsolution, China Salesman, Absolution and all
those movies that those performances in thisperformances are fucking night and day, because

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in those performances he's just whispering hisway to the end. In this film,
he's actually, you know, he'sgot personality, He's got somewhat of
a charm to him. I'm notquite sure I believe him and Mark Helligenberger
as a as a couple, Butthen again, no, I don't believe

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them as a couple at all hesaid, like behind the scenes. He
said, she's a great actress,but she's not like, you know,
stunningly beautiful. He said something tothat effect, typical siagal Bro. Come
on, come on, don't dothat, Like I know, I'm not
doing anything. I'm just no,not you him, don't do that.

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It's a bad I mean, look, it's a bad look. He's never
He's one of those dudes that sometimeshe just should know better. Right,
Yeah, foot and mouth disease.Right, this film has a better cast
than it deserves. I mean,fucking Harry Dean, Stanton, Mark Helgenberger,

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Stephen Lang, Chris Christofferson, well, Chris Ristofferson. He's done his
fair share of shit. Yeah,but he's also done his fair share of
actual acting performances. And he's nothe's not really not much in the film
until like the second half, becausein like the first half, it's Chris

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christofficer Christofferson's son, and a bunchof like FuG henchmen because apparently people have,
um there have been mysterious in thisin this city of his town,
rather of other EPA agents and shitlike that, because he keeps sending them

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there and they keep mysteriously dying mysteriouslyum like, well, they show in
the flashback in the beginning, likethey get like fucking shot in the head.
His friend was one and I'm tryingto investigate and he ended up getting
killed. Which, by the way, if you're gonna use John Deal in
your film, don't give him justa glorified candy o man. I mean

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John John Deal of such films asJurassic Park three and Remote and Madhouse with
John Larkent and Christie Alley. Uhdo you buy Steven Seagal as an EPA
agent because I don't. I don'tknow. I didn't buy it in On
Deadly Ground either, No, AndI find it very amusing that they keep
trying to pass this. This couldbe a fucking sequel to the On Deadly

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Ground, and I probably believe you. I'm there's in a lot of ways,
there's part of me surprised that it'snot. I mean, the only
thing he does in bring to thisrole is the kind of again, hit
again again, because it's real,you know, kind of folklore and religion
that he was speaking of with theindigenous people in that movie. But there's

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none of that in this movie.But I'm kind of surprised that there's not.
Yeah, um, because it waslike that movie was just chock full
of all this like bogus interpretations ofreligion and folklore of the indigenous people,
and like, yeah, this isthe only thing this movie's missing. And
then it would be that character fromthat movie. This is the this is

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the only Steven Seagal film that evenmentions the concept of God or god being
like you know in like being evenmentioned in his films. Well, yeah,
because you've got a Levon Helm playingthe reverend drummer of the band.
But you see what I'm saying.Usually when you see segalf film, he's
usually going these ancient like mystic butit's his like whacked out interpretations of them.

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Yeah, exactly, Like there's noneof that here. But that's the
only thing that would lead me tobelieve it's a different character. But he
acts the same way as the dudefrom on Deadly Ground. He's like but
again, like it's it's kind ofalways just Segal doing himself. He really
in this movie does come off alittle he's charming when he needs to be.

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But I think you're right he andMark Helgenberger do not have chemistry.
I don't believe it for a fuckingsecond. Sorry, And the film is
okay, so I mean we have. It almost got cartoonish when it came
to the Henchman. I don't thinkthat helps because of the people who who

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are playing them. I mean MarkColly. We have Mark Colly, who
a lot of people will probably recognizefrom He's a singer also, but I
know him a lot from The Punisher, the Thomas Jane Punisher film. He
played the Johnny Cash like motherfucker inthat film, played a similar character the
character he plays in this movie.Just a guy who's doing what somebody else

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is telling him to do. Thisjust happens to be sound. I just
it just kept getting cartoonish to mebecause they would say the same thing just
at all, you better watch yourself, but we're gonna get you, you
know. And he ends up kickingtheir ass. They recover say that same
shit again to Stolone and get theirass kicked again. It's like a fucking
Warner Brothers cartoon and they're the fuckingwily coyote or He's like, it's like

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they're like home alone villains. Interms of oh, it doesn't help that
our lead is operating out in broaddaylight going in. I mean, at
one point he's talking with levon Helmabout Levin. I was like, I'm
going to testify if you get meon the stage and Chris, I'll testify.
And they're standing within earshot of thepeople that they're gonna be testifying.

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Again, I didn't even have toknow they were an earshot to think,
oh, well he's dead now.Yeah. But like because why he said,
well, I'm I'm I'll testify,I'm like, well, you're fucked.
But but right, because like howpredictable it was. But again,
but to be fair, like inanother movie, it's like you don't have
to see them up on the hillto know that's what's going to happen,
because again, that's normally what happensmovie, right, And it's like that's

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kind of the issue with this movie. It's like this movie is kind of
written. This movie is written ina way that is a little bit too
and then and then and then andbasically yeah, but I mean again,
it's an end then movie. Thishappened, and then this happened, and
then the Reverend died, and thenthe sun and then this and It's like,

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but what what was the point?What was holding this together? Again?
I think Stagal is okay enough inthis movie to kind of hold it
together throughout the almost two hour runtime. But yeah, it's kind of
a weird tonal mix up because thecharacters, the actors playing a lot of
the characters in this movie are countryWestern singers that are not particularly good or

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abundance of those. You have likeTravis Trip, Randy Travis fucking Marty Party
Stewart, but Marty Stewart's just playinghimself. And then you have Chris Christofferson
and Mark Colly, yeah, andlev and Levon Helm. I mean he's
not country, but he is amusician speaking of country. I did like
the music in the film. Thescore and the music were great, perfectly

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fine. Yeah, that was itwas decent. Little you know, I
don't dislike this movie. I justthink that this movie is really a mess
from the plot because again, Imean, you have what seems to be
a dastardly villain of Chris Christofferson,but he feels so removed from most of
the movie and most of what's goingon, and villains that hire other people

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to do their bidding never do,right. I mean he's like, oh,
my son go deal with them,and my son will hire people.
This film with with the Christopher character, just goes in circles. It's always
the same thing. The Sun callingthe dad because he fucked up again,
the Sun calling the dad because theattentionman got beat up, and it just
that's it just keeps repeating that untilfinally Chris Kristofferson doesn't even go to the

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town. I think he meets himSeagal and meeting game at his casino.
Now he goes to the town atone point when they're having their like like
festival or whatever. Okay, sorry, but again that's like two thirds of
the way into the movie by thatpoint. And again I mean in I
was talking about this with with Dustinon Bollywood Cine Him a Club, another
show that I do, and wewere talking about Tigers into High and the

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villain in that movie is not athreat when he doesn't have a gun,
and just yeah, if he's nota gun's not a threat. He's not
a threat, which means he hasto hire other He's just like Hans Grouper,
right, Hans Grouper is not muchof a threat when he doesn't have
a gun, you're one of them. Like, I mean, that's what
we're talking about. When he hasa gun though, he's you know,

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confident and in his ability to killyou. And Chris christoffers the same way.
So the moment he Steven Seagal getshis hands on him is not going
to be rewarding. But the differencebetween Christofferson and Rickman is Rickman's character was
written very intelligent. His character issmart, but he also surrounds himself with

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fucking goons that are memorable too,yes, and he usually has them to
do his dirty work, right,And in this movie, there aren't memorable
goons and none of them are physicalthreats either. They're basically no names.
It's like Henchman number one. Theymight as well be called no. But
I mean I'm talking about like thecountry Western people, like, they're not
threats. Is Randy Travis a fuckingthreat? Is Travis Trip a threat?

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Mark Cawley is a skinny motherfucker inthis movie? And I'm like the small
dude. He's a small dude.And no, I'm sorry, I will
never ever buy Randy Travis as avillainous threat to anything. No, I
mean the only person I kind ofhalfway believe is Stephen Lang. But that's

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because he's a bull. Because StephenLang, yeah, he's a Lang has
proven himself as a villain actor.Yeah, but I wouldn't say at this
point he was known for being avillain. I'm just talking about like screen
presence. He's a bigger guy.He has a bee can stand Look,
he can stand up against Seagal andnot be dwarfed by him because Seagal is
like, what six foot three orfour. It's not a small guy.

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That's the other thing. Nobody isgoing to fight Segal believably and be a
foot shorter than him. It hasto be someone who's about his eye,
just like Bchwartzenegeran Stallone. You can'thave someone who's smaller than them fight them
and go, oh, this isa fight that I don't already know the
outcome. But Chris, it goesto the fact that there's no tension in
that regard because we all know Stephenis not going to get hit, not

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once. They're never ever going toland a punch, They're never ever going
to land an injury on him.Yeah, but this is us with twenty
win. This is us with twentytwenty vision though, like, yeah,
I still think back then people probablyknew that. I yeah, but I
think it's I mean, it justspeaks to a bigger issue. It's a
bigger issue where that's just one ofthe easy ways to kind of highlight it.
It's just a lack of self awarenessabout what Steven Seagal's character needs to

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be up against. He should neverbe up against people that are these Eric
Bogosian types, or the Alan Rickmantypes, or the fucking Chris Christofferson types.
He should be going up against someonelike Vernon Wells with Commando, right,
someone who someone who when you seehim up against Seagal standing next to

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him or tussling, you say toyourself, this is someone who is a
match for this person. And look, I'm not saying it's because Steven Seagal
can't fight someone who's smaller than him. It's because Steven Seagal is a bigger
guy height wise. And it's justit's very obvious when it's not someone who
is physically of the same kind ofbuild or stature, and it's just hard

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to it's hard to get me tobelieve it. And then you just in
every single one of these movies.It's like William Sadler, for fox sake,
that guy's not intimidating to Steven Seagal, Bogosian, Chris Kristoff, pon.
None of these actors are intimidating becausethey're just actors. And you got
to give him someone to actually likeplay off of physically, like a Bill

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Duke or a Vernon Wells or someonewho is Ventura, even someone who's his
size. Well, another thing isit's hard to do that when they keep
throwing henchman at shoot with no names. They don't they don't give him even
when the henchman or his size,it doesn't matter because you don't know who

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the fuck they are. They're justrandom henchman, and he's just beating up
random henchman. And really there's like, you know, they're not a threat
because they don't even have a name. No well and again, I mean
the ones that do have a name, like his son are just kind of
again like poorly, poorly written.His son's a pussy, yeah, but

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he's a poorly written character. He'slike he's a very generic stereotypical character that
you see, he's the spoiled bratwho daddy to fix everything, right,
I mean, he thinks, hethinks he's he thinks he's a big boy
like his dad and eventually gets broughtdown to earth by Seagal. Seeing that
another Seagal movie, seeing that inanother act. Yeah, me too.
I mean there are a lot ofshit here that you're like, oh,

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I've seen that before, right,So again, like it works on My
point is like it works other places, and it works other places to the
point where you don't point it out. But in this movie, Brad Hunt
is getting not given much to do. I don't think it is a reflection
on him as an actor. Thatwas Oh that was okay, I forgot

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who played the other henchman, MarkCoullie, Ernie Lively? Oh okay,
well see that's I don't even rememberthe henchman's names. Ernie Lively I believe
is related to Blake Lively in somerespect. Oh, I thought you meant
Robin. Well they are related.Robin and Blake are related. So that's

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that's his daughter. M So reallyyeah, Look, I think for me,

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ultimately, with a movie like thiswhere you have this quote environmental message
unquote, and again we've seen thisalready now is to go. I think
I think, well, I thinkthe original I think the originality is neither
here nor there. I think it'sdone better here than in on Deadly Ground.
It feels less tongue clicking and kindof like, oh, you should
feel bad because you use oil.It's just like it's bad to dump toxic

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waste places. Can't we all agreeon that? It's like, yes,
And let me ask you something.Was the subplot about marg Helgenburger as a
child being molested by her brother necessary? Wasn't just her brother as her brother
and her dad, because that's impliedwhy she killed their dad. No,
but Steven, well, no,no, no, Steven's a gollum basically

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figures everything out. I don't knowhow the fuck he did it. I
mean just because the micro film.But he saw the microfilm at the library
with her talking about her murdering thefather. Well that well, the brother
actually killed the father, but wantedher to take the blame because she was
a juvenile, nothing had happened toher and it was self defense when in

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fact, I okay, I langthe way I interpreted how Lang was Steve
and Seagal was telling stories that thefather didn't do anything, and it was
the brother who did it, andthe father found out and got pissed,
and that's when he killed him.It wasn't the father, Mollstinger, but
Stephen Blank's character was musting her.Oh wow, yeah, okay, that's

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what That's what I got from StevenSeagal telling what actually happened, Like the
father got pissed when he figure thatout. I asked you that just a
few minutes. I'm answering with aquestion, how did he figure that out?
I have no idea because he wasvery fucking specific in like what actually
happened? Oh my god, howdoes the move? The movie really doesn't

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explain that very well, does it. It really explained a lot of things.
It kind of expects it kind ofexpects you, is the audience to
fill in the gaps? Yeah,But then it shows us the villains hiding
in a few inches away in casewe don't know that it's them there,
And you know, I mean,it was just being Seagal. It was

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just Steven Seagal being seven Seagal again, you know. I mean, it's
not a bad not in a badway. I didn't just like this movie
because of Steven Seagal. I actuallyneither, no and that. But here's
the thing. A lot of themovies we watch, it's it's he is
almost a non issue in them,right. I mean a lot of the
things that we watch that are contemporaryare you know, Absolution or China Salesman

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or Attrician where he is advertised asa big part and he's not a big
part. I mean some of thesemovies he is. But in a lot
of these movies, at least themore recent ones, he is not the
main actor, but he's advertised assuch. It's a little bit of whiplash
to watch a movie where he's advertisedas the main actor and he is the
main actor. Because again, atthis point in ninety seven, say what

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you will about the movie, buthis performance is not a problem with the
movie. It is definitely not theproblem. He might be a little wooden,
but I feel like at this point, if you're complaining about Stephen Sagale
being wooden, I don't think you'veseen other Stephen Sagal movies that were coming
out before this one. Is becausehe's kind of always just weird. But
like being weird and being wooden aretwo different things. If you have an
actor who's normally not wooden, andall of a sudden they're giving Stilt a

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dialogue, yeah, there woulden.But if you have someone who is always
kind of weird, like he isidiosyncratic, one might say, yeah,
then it's not him being Stilted.That's just who he is and you just
have to deal with it. Well, it's like it's like I said earlier,
this is the film where he trieshis hardest to be the most relatable
and likable. I think he kindof comes off that way in a really

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big way. I mean he doesa lot of sweet things. From Mark
Helgenberger's character, I mean, Imean that there's a there's she sells honey
to make a living, and apparentlyshe doesn't sell much honey, so when
she buys groceries, he has tosacrifice some things. So then Steven said,
oh, goes up to the counter, says, okay, I'll he

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takes the things that she took out, and he buys them, and he
goes, you know what, I'lltake all the honey too. He buys
every jar of honey, and youknow, so basically he's you know,
doing this quote unquote romantic or whatever. Again, it would be creepy if
someone else was doing it. Wewere talking about this earlier with the whole

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Dobbler Dahmer theory from how he metyour mother. If I did that,
if I bought every single merchandise ofa of a girl, I like,
that's a red flag. And hebuys all her honey she sees in the
back of his truck, which,by the way, why didn't she see
it when she's putting the stuff inthe in the back in the first place.

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I don't know. Cinema sins gotcharight here, buddy, right here?
What kind of commentary are you up? This is what what do they
say? This is what passes forcommentary on the internet these days. I'm
kids and their relationship is is notbelievable in the well And look here's the

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thing though, I mean, Ithink we could both agree. Steven Ziagale
now is maybe not my cup oftea. Steven Seagale nineteen ninety seven a
good looking guy. It's not thatit's because Steven Zagale is like some sort
of hideous goblin of a human beingand Mark Helgenberger is at ten. That's
not what's going on. We're nottrying to make that statement. It's just

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that when they're on screen together,they're not believable because they don't have any
chemistry. Their personality types clash wellin the character that she's portraying. I
find it hard to believe that shewould really kind of be into someone like
Seagal because he's just kind of againhe's he's nice. But there is this

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moment where she's like, hey,was any of this real or were you
just doing this that you could notget in my pants? But get it
my filing cat, and he goeshe goes straight to no, now that's
that's not the same where he says, I'm thinking about moving here, buying
a little house, and no,that's that's he's talking with Christofferson. Yeah.
Yeah, when they tell him toget out of town. No,
but she puts him on the spotand he's like, hey, you know,

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am I you know, was thisreal or was this all put on?
And he, you know, islike, no, I like you
and it's like okay, like andhe doesn't he's not like, you know,
uh, he doesn't feel pandering whenhe says it. It feels genuine.
Yeah, but I just it herand him just that that don't.
I just don't think it works.They just don't have any chemistry. And
I don't think it's their fault.I think it's the script. No,

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it's it definitely the script. Imean, here's the thing about this,
this podcast we're doing. When wecritique films of Steven Seagal, we're not
necessarily critiquing Seagal because you have tohave a film around him for him to
work with, and unfortunately he justgets these shitty scripts all the time.

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I don't know, this is ashitty script. I think this movie just
like I don't think that. Look, here's the thing. The love the
romance in this movie is forced.That's what it is. There's no need
for it. It's almost inconsequential tothe plot of the movie. It's inconsequential
to the main A storyline, theA storyline of the city. The city

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is threatened. It doesn't matter ifshe's being threatened because she's part of the
city as a whole. The cityis being threatened, and then walk Offer
is being threatened by a character dumpingtoxic waste into it. Right, The
romance is like the B or Cplot, Like he doesn't mad it doesn't
even need to be applied. Itdoesn't need to be in the movie.
It's forced. The writer didn't knowhow to write two characters a man and

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a woman and not have them becausethe audience, because he thought the audience
would just expect them to get togetherin the end. But my point is,
you don't have to have either.You don't have to have her movie.
That's what I mean, right,No, I again, this is
this is in the era of thenineties where every movie had to have a
romance. Well, I mean,if you were a movie and you had

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a lead man and a lad womanand they weren't villains, they were going
to end up together. But she'snot. There's not the lead in this
movie. She's like giving the leadwoman. She's the biggest female part in
the film, right, But mypoint is, because she's the biggest female
part in the movie, if youtake her out of the movie, there's
literally nothing else. So she feelsvery tacked onto the movie because she doesn't

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even fact like her brother kind offactors into the plot, but not really
like again, she we live ina time now where you can make an
action movie without the hero needing alove interest, and this and this is
a movie where the love interest isso unnecessary that it kind of bogs the
movie down, and it kind ofdoesn't really gel because Mark Helgenberger and Steven

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said all don't have any chemistry,and so the movie would benefit from big
play them and sister and I wouldlose nothing in the plot. It would
actually probably work because you're not expectingthere to be a believable romance. Look,
this in a lot of ways feedsinto things that we've talked about with
more recent movies where there's a likean absolution where a woman is kissing Seagal

(30:11):
and she looks uncomfortable doing it.And again, like I think now it's
probably informed by a lot of stuff, but in nineteen ninety seven, he
didn't look comfortable in that relationship withher because I don't think Steven Seagal is
the kind of character and character actorin a lot of ways, because he's
more a character actor than a leadactor. He feels like the kind of

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character actor and actor who doesn't needa female character to play off of.
He is a big enough personality andperformance that those actors will get in the
way of his performance because he justlet him go on his own like to
think of the first couple of days. They were good without female companionship.
I mean they were there, butthey again weren't great. We talked about

(30:56):
it then they were just felt kindof as forced into the movie then as
they do now. Steven Seagal moviesdon't need a love interest, and not
fully fans of Steven Seagal don't care. They don't go to Seagal film to
see him hook up with the withthe lady. They see him. They
want to see his home, youknow, for him to kick ass and

(31:17):
you know, destroy the bad guy. They don't see it to see if
a believable romance happens between him andKelly ba Brock, or him and Mark
Helgenberger, him and Eric Elleniac,which, by the way, that was
that was the most forced of themall, by the way, I yeah,
I mean that's the way. That'sthe most off putting of all of
that. And watching him kiss hisfemale leads. Maybe it's because we know

(31:41):
what we know now, but itjust it it feels like you're watching that
scene from Back to the Future Parttwo where Marty is watching that video about
um Biff Cannon and it gets tothe part where he kisses Marty's mother after
they got married. Sure, that'show uncomfortable it feels. That's how awkward
it. It's like all the allthe girls in that that he's uh the

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co star with him are Leah Thompsonin Back to the Future Part two and
he's fifth Cannon because you know,they don't want to be there like the
last film we watched. Yeah,absolutely fucking nowhere, That's what I'm saying,
Like it doesn't It's it when whenwe're commenting on how out of place
it feels, it's better just tonot include it. And honestly, that's

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kind of where I'm at with likeSteven Seagal movies in romance subplots, like
they feel how much do you think, say, I don't know. This
is again, this is the ninetiesthat there were love interests in all these
movies. There's love interesting on deadlyground. There was love interest like you
mentioned in under Siege. There wasn'tone in under Siege two, but that's
because that was his fucking niece andif it hadn't been his knees, it

(32:47):
would have been a love interest andhe hit on her apparently behind the scenes
though, But yeah, okay,right, but like that's it. But
like again, like The under Siegetwo might be the best handling of romance
we've seen a Siagal because it doesn'tforce anything. Yeah, I mean he
flirsted with the bartender, but nothingreally comes and that's believable. But like

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in this movie, like Mark Helgenbergerwould not be into someone like him,
and he would not be into someonelike her because he doesn't need to be.
It's like they try to make himmore human by having him have a
relationship. But I think it exposeshow not unhuman his character is, but
how just much of a character.His character is not a really fully realized

(33:30):
person, because again, Steven Seagalis playing a character even when he's just
doing himself. That's such an idiosyncraticperson that you just that's Segal. He's
just like we said, he's justplaying himself in these movies. That's our
perception of it. And his earlierfilms, like in a couple of his
films he was married. His characteris married, and that's a little more

(33:53):
believable because that confector into the plotof the film. Sharon Stone, right,
yeah, sure, she was barelyin that film, right, she
was which one was without for Justice, I think so one of the ones
where he gets I don't know,all those movies kind of run together anyway,

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But yeah, she was good init, but she wasn't in it
enough to matter, just like MarkElgenberger should have been in this movie.
If that was the point. It'sjust they don't like he Segal doesn't need
Segal doesn't need anything because he's sospecific of the kinds of things that work
for his movies, and romance hasno point or part in any of these

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success Well, like I said,neither does the molestation subplot. Well,
I don't even know what the pointof that was. There was no point,
That's what I'm saying. But what'sjust well, why added to the
movie is my my quest. Theymaybe they wanted to add a little dark,
um disturbing. They're trying to leanon the fact that it's taking place
in Kentucky, Like, wow,that's just tasteless, man, But that's

(35:00):
it is kind of taste us likea movie set in the South where a
brother is molesting his sister. That'sa writer who has run out of ideas.
I mean, it's just you justgo to the incest trope when it
comes to the South, right ifyeah, and somehow like that's that's that's
fucking low hanging fruit. I'm notgonna I'm not gonna be one to overlook

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making fun of the South as someonewho spent a large portion of their young
adults in the South. But that'slow hanging fruits. But if you're going
to try to make a serious actionfilm, don't make Deliverance jokes. My
brother's sean to bang me. Yeah, it's like, what is it the
Beverly fucking Hillbillies? Like Stephen Lank. Let's talk about Stephen Lank's character,

(35:42):
Um, yes, Land of thefilm. He comes into the film about
what halfway through a little less beforehalf about the second like kind of maybe
like towards the beginning middle of thesecond meet him. When you first meet
him, he's wary of Sigal,but he's not like you don't suspect you
don't suspect anything? What, No, he couldn't. He comes into the
scene like a fucking asshole. He'sthat dude that shows up and he's like,

(36:04):
who the fuck are you and whyare you in my house? And
it's like he's a friend. Somepeople but some people could suspect he's just
trying to be protecting his sister.I'm just saying, I feel it feels
creepy. Right off the bat,it does feel creepy, but I could
see how some people would think he'sjust trying to be more protective. But
then it starts his his his thecracks start to show because all of a

(36:28):
sudden, out of nowhere, hegoes, you know, I've had a
change of heart. Let me showyou where the mind is. I want
to take these bastards down. I'lltestify and then immediately villain mode like I'm
going to take him down to themind of bury him in the rubble.
And before that, he's at thehouse with Mark Helliga Burger and he's man

(36:51):
handling her and a whore as well. Yeah, comes slaps her, calls
her a horror. She runs forhim and locks herself in the block herself
in the bathroom, and he locksher in the bathroom. Well, no,
he locks her and why is therea lock outside but out inside?
Whatever? Um he locks her inthe bathroom and she's there for like hours

(37:13):
before Steven Seagal, you know,I don't know if he would have ever
she would have gotten out if hehadn't gone, well, he was gonna
go to her house anyway. Idon't know, but it was just Yeah,
I love how convoluted it is.I really do. Well. I
appreciate how convoluted this movie is,because well then you have then you have
the mind scene, where again,who's trying to get him Henchman, no

(37:37):
named Henchman, But now it's it'sfucking um, it's Stephen Lang and this
big burly you know, bald dude. And how does Steven Seagal start?
Uh, he dumps the chemical onthe guy's face. Was it lying or
thee bro puts cyanide on him?Yeah? So basically, and by the

(38:01):
way Steven Sigal, he steps inthe cyanide. Wouldn't that have done something
to his shoe? No? Idon't think so. I don't know if
cyanide is corrosive, I don't.I don't know what cyanide does to just
being in contact or even near it, but I probably it's not a good
idea to be even near it whenit's being dumped on someone. That would

(38:22):
stand to reason. Yes, yeah, so, I mean he does his
usual kicks the ass of the Henchman, you know, goes to you know,
the shootout, um, and whatdoes he explodes the mind? No,
he doesn't explode the mind. Theywere going to blow the mine up
with him in it and him inthe mind. Yeah, and he gets

(38:45):
out. It's the slowest I've seena guy escape a mind in a film
in a while. But like Ikept into myself, there's no way he
could have gotten away, not afucking chance. Like the way he was
running, in the direction he wasrunning, I thought, no, this
no, And then I thought,well, if there's already the opening there

(39:09):
and it doesn't look like it's beingaffected by the explosion, he could have
gotten out anyway. So they're playingis flawed from the get go. Well
they were expecting to trap him andthen get out. Yeah, just look
like the problem with this movie ultimatelybecomes out convoluted. It gets to where

(39:30):
the to where everybody is in onit because we have you know, Oh,
it's it's just these coupled dudes thatreport to Chris Christofferson, and then
it's all the cops in the town. Oh, and then it's the FBI
agents, and then it's his partnerin the field, in the field office.
Yeah, it's like everybody is allof a sudden in on it.
And it's like, okay, soChris Christofferson is like all seeing, all

(39:52):
knowing, far reaching, Yeah,but he can't but he can't handle it
in his own like hometown. Likeit feels like Chris Christoffers once again,
so predictable, but he's just isn'tthe long line of these like idiot villains
that Steven Seagal has to play thatare compared like the twist about his his
office agent being part of it becausehe calls the office, he calls the

(40:16):
field agent to get him and herprotective get her protective custody. So he
sends out Randy Travis and the otherguy and shit like that. And I
thought to myself as he was talkingto the guy on the phone, I
was like, yeah, he's gonnaturn on him. Yeah this no,
this, No, he's a turncoat. Now, there's no way. He's

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not a good he's not a badguy. It was so predictable, man,
I mean, and you're right,I was getting sick of the whole
a turn who's the turncoat and who'sfor real? Well everybody was, I
mean, everybody ends up being inon it outside of I guess like the
girls who work at the store andthe stand, and I guess like maybe

(40:59):
states prosecutors Like I just again,like we have ultimately a conclusion to a
film where a man who is noway shape or for him intimidating has Stevensagall
come up to him and shoot himand then grab him and go you're going
to jail. And it was noteven a fight, man, Well that's
my point. But again, likethere's not a but again, the contrast

(41:22):
that was something like die Hard,where Alan Rickman and Bruce Willis don't have
a hand to hand fight. Theythey exchange words and then and then Bruce
Willis shots Alan Rickman is more issmarter than that. He knows that he
can't defeat him by me. Ialso think that that movie just has better
like secondary villains, Like all allof the people in that movie are very

(41:45):
memorable, like that you should haveshot when you are ducking like all that
shit advice, right, all ofthat is a lot more. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, there's plenty ofmemorable villains in that movie that have nothing
to do with you know, themgetting ten minutes of screen time. It's
just they're given an opportunity to beinteresting and they make the most of it.

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In this movie, they could havedone that. They have Randy Travis,
they have Travis Tritt, they haveMark Hawley, someone who we know
is good in this kind of rolefrom the Punisher movie. He kind of
steals that movie in that scene.That's the most one of the most memorable
scenes in that movie. I feellike if you, I say, but
I feel like, if you don'tknow anything about that movie but you've seen

(42:29):
something from it, it's gotta beWell. He's featured in the trailer,
so that's right. But also thatsong, like again, like the trailer
and the song are pretty memorable.And he's really good in that movie for
the little bit of time he's given, and they don't do anything with him
here. They don't do anything withany of the villains here. Basically,
they they're just there to be.They're just there to be. One of

(42:51):
those inflatable punch bag things you havewhen you were a kid, where you
punch him and they come right backup again. You just keep punching him
and punching and punching him. Becausethat's all they did. There was no
there was no through line it wasjust them. Like I said, it
was a circle. They try tobeat till they get defeated. They try
it again, they get defeated,they try it again. You think at

(43:12):
some point they'd say, fuck this, it's not worth it. Well they
do. Eventually Chris Christofferson's son turnson them. Well yeah, he's the
one that turn state's evidence that getsChris Christofferson arrested. And by the way,
I have expected the two agents thatsick ahead with him at the casino
I them to turn them at thelast minute. I mean again, why
didn't they Because it had enough man, because it was not even it wasn't

(43:36):
even a climax. Man. Becauseno, that's what I'm saying, Like
there is unlike Diehard. Diehard hasan anti climax, right, and a
lot of in a lot of ways, Like I mean, what happens before
he gets to Hans with him jumpingoff I mean that's what he I always
forget how late into the movie hejumps off the building, but he jumps
off the building very quickly before Hansgrouper. I mean it's like very close

(43:58):
to the end of the movie,right, Yeah, So that's the climax.
And then Hans Gruber dying is justkind of like, that's the one.
It's a cherry on top right thedifference. Yeah, it's not an
action scene in this movie or thatmovie. But before this finale of this
movie with Chris Kristofferson, he justbeats up some dudes in a bar,
like pretty much. I mean,Chris Kristofferson's character basically just plays games at

(44:25):
his fucking casino or whatever. He'sa very small casino. Might I add,
yeah, he doesn't do anything.I mean, he's wasted. He's
an Actually, he's a decent actor. I don't understand what they were thinking,
Like you cast, It's not likethey just cast some of the dude
in this film that they waste.Terry Dean Stanton is a great actor,

(44:45):
market number, a great actress.Stephen Lange amazing acts. Like they're casting
Florian Persic Junior here. They're castingpeople who have curbside appeal from their name
alone, like Chris Christofferson. Theydon't do anything with it. I don't
get it. Why why would theyagree to be in this well? Why
have so many country western stars inthis movie? I don't get it.

(45:07):
It's like it's a very strange occurrencethat there are this many in this movie.
And oh, by the way,it's not like they're all over the
soundtrack. It's just like there's likea Marty Stewart scene. I guess it's
because again they thought, well,this movie said in Kentucky so and maybe
they wanted to sell soundtracks. Butlike again, like they don't. They're

(45:30):
not given enough to do. They'renot given enough time to be interesting.
I mean, you have enough.You have enough time to spend on Mark
Helgenberger and Stevens a goal having ahalf baked romance. You could have let
Randy Travis or Travis Tritt or godagain, even Mark Mark Colley give them
five minutes more or anything. Becauseagain, like I'm saying, in die

(45:52):
Hard, that guy and die Hardthe guy under the table. That's one
scene and that's it. But thatguy is super memorable to the point where
I can tell you what he's wearing, kind of what he looks like and
that. But that's a character actorthat's in this movie. You have actual
entertainers. Again, they're not atthey might not be quote actors unquote full

(46:15):
time, but Travis Trait and RandyTravis know how to be entertaining, So
let them do something. Don't justhave them all right, just stand there
and don't say anything, or justyou know, do them. I'm here
to take you away with me,Like all right, but here's here's here's
the thing. I think Randy Traviswas brought on for cameo appeal. So

(46:36):
people who watching the movie will belike, holy shit, that's Randy Travis.
You know, said who in nineteenninety seven? Though what who is
saying that in nineteen ninety seven?I don't know. Some people are en

(47:00):
what what in hell do you want? Bro Man, you gotta you don't
cast you don't. You don't castactors in movies in roles unintentionally. That's

(47:24):
what a casting director is for.So they cast a bunch of country western
stars in this movie for whatever reason. And that is the one of the
few things I remember about this movieis it has a random assortment of mid
nineties country Western singers from the literalvillain of the movie down and it's super

(47:45):
weird and they don't do anything withit. And that seems like, again
a missed opportunity because the novels,but the novelty of it is not enough.
There needed to be more to it, and again they knew that.
In The Punisher, they cast MarkCoullie and the Yeah he can play get
are and sing carry a tune,but they also gave him a look in
that movie that was interesting, thatgave him a lines of dialogue that weren't

(48:07):
just hey, I'm gonna get you. Yeah, I am gonna make sure
you don't get me. Like thereyou go, Like he's exactly. He's
very one dimensional in this movie,and everybody is the only person that doesn't
come off as one dimensional is kindof Steven Seagal. I mean, Mark
Cowley has a bit of They givemost of it to Seagal, and they

(48:29):
give some of it to Mark Helgenbergerand Harry Dean stand is miscast in this
movie. He is too good forthis movie. I don't understand the role
he's playing because at times it seemslike he's supposed to be like slow maybe
is what they would say in thenineties, but like, is that all
a put on so that he couldmeet Steven Seagals. Okay, but the

(48:51):
movie should have done a better jobof explaining. They did that a lot
in the nineties. Sure you findout the slow guy isn't as slow as
you think he is. Like infucking Disturbing Behavior. Have you seen that
movie? No, Okay, WilliamWilliam Sadler isn't it. He plays the
janitor of this high school, andbasically it's a film how they're taking like

(49:15):
the the fucking rejects and the stonersand all the undesirables of the high school
and they're kind of Stepford wives ingthem into being perfect students. That's the
plot. And so he plays thejanitor who who's kind of wise to it

(49:36):
but kind of just keeps to himselfbecause he doesn't want to, you know.
But then James Marsden figures out becausehe sees the book by Kurt Vonnegut
that he's reading, and he figuresout, Oh, he's not a slow
janitor. He's not crazy. Heknows what he's doing. So in that
was the trope in the nineties,you know, it's like and it just

(50:00):
it just it just just gets tired. I agree, And I mean Travis
Tripp being in a film basically he'sjust doing what he usually did, and
he did a lot in ninety somberhe would just play a guy who's um

(50:22):
just in a scene where he's singingand the stuff is happening around him,
like he's the music background for thescene, like another film he did that
in with Sergeant Bilko, where that'sthe only thing he did in the film
was singing songs around the scene,and that was pretty just lazy way to

(50:44):
use him. I mean he does, he has acted before. You know,
they just don't want to. Theydon't want to take the time to
make them interesting. They think they'llget by on name or condition alone.
His movie's fine. I think it'sokay. I think it's I think it's

(51:05):
fine. I mean again, look, this is the last Steven Sagle movie
to come out theaters, so noneof half Fast Dead. We got halfast
Dad coming up a count. Thisis the movie that is his last starring
role. It's released in theaters,and if we view it through that lens,
this movie is a failure because heit doesn't do a good enough career

(51:27):
with Warner Brothers. I think itwas sustained problems from on Deadly Ground to
then this well. He kept havingfailing returns, so they figure we're not
going to renew with this guy.He's you know, just let him go
and Look, I haven't seen thenext movie that we're watching, The Patriot.
That's not the next episode we're doing, but that's the next one of

(51:47):
these movies, the older ones.I've never seen it. I'm interested to
see it because it's his first youknow, straight to video as it was
called then, and my hope isthat it will be of the similar production
value of these straight to theater actualquote productions. Yeah, but well it's
got it's got Gaylor Sartine in it, and I like Gaylor Sartine. I

(52:13):
just I look, this movie isnot terrible. I think this movie has
gotten a bad rap for a lotof deserved reasons. But I think it's
a good Steven Seagal performance. AndI think if we're talking about Steven Seagal
on a Steven Seagal podcast and wetalk about his performance, and his performance
is one of the most Yeah,it's not bad. He's he is perfectly

(52:34):
likable. Again, his romance doesn'twork, but he has a character.
He has some good one liners.The whole call your proctologists and rubbed the
ointment on whatever hole hurts the mostis a good line. Well, the
whole line about going to prison andcalling his friend you know too. Yeah,
like all that's great, and that'sthat's good action stuff that you expect

(52:55):
for these kinds of movies. Andhe's actually believable here. But this is
the most likable he's ever been.Yeah, yeah, I mean those characters
in those early movies were more justkind of like gruff dickheads. Okay,
well just let me just say he'sthe most charming he's been. Yeah.
I mean again, I would agree. I would I wasn't doubting you when

(53:16):
you said likable. I would agree. I mean he's pretty likable. I
mean again, like the romance withMark Helgenberg doesn't work, but his friendship
with Harry Dean Stanton is not unbelievableand they work together. Honestly, if
they had taken Mark Helgenberg out ofthe movie and just given him a Harry
Deeane Stanton more time, that wouldhave been I think that would have worked.
Born or just make the character likeStephen Lang just Stephen lying and not

(53:37):
her, But then again that wouldn'tmake sense. I mean again, you
just have Stephen. You could haveStephen Lange be the secondary antagonist. He
could still play a similar character whereit's like he turns on Segal, but
you don't see it coming as opposedto right right, so you can kind
of get something out of that.And then Sigals like I knew you were

(53:58):
you know, Dona turn on mewhatever of fuck right, Like there you
go, and you don't need MarkHelgenberger, but you still keep Stephen laying
and you don't waste Mark Helgenberger's timewith a bad role that doesn't really serve
her because she's a great actress.Like you said, I again, everybody
in this movie is a great actorin everything else that they've been in.
And I don't think that some ofthem in this movie are bad. I
just think a lot of them arenot given nothing to do them very well.

(54:22):
Now, Steven Segal is kind ofthe only one, and that's because
again he's given like of the screentime. So final final thoughts on Fire
down below Trum. I mean,it's not the worst film of his career.
It's not the best film. It'sa mediocre kind of middle ground,
but it's definitely a good Sigal performanceif you want to see Sigal trying to

(54:44):
be a romantic and like silver ageSegal not Golden age. But it's it's
silver age. But like in hisother films, he never tries to get
the girl. This film, he'strying to do these roman antick and you
know sweet gestures. I don't.I don't blame the actors. I blame

(55:25):
the script and the editing and lookfor me. I think that this is
in the conversation for the better Cigomovies, because his performance is so good
that it does kind of carry mostof the problems of the movie on its
shoulder and comes away again, comesaway, and it closer to it being
a win and less a failure likeso many of the more recent movies that

(55:45):
he's done well. I said thesame thing, I said, it's not
the actors, it's the script.This is none of the actor's fault,
none of it. They all givethe performances they were supposed to give.
I mean, very rarely is itthe actor's faults though, well, yeah,
very rarely is it the actor's faults. Yeah, But he didn't.
I was surprised because Jeb Stewart haswritten great films, but maybe his script

(56:12):
was hacked to pieces. His movieis pretty convoluted to and again, like
the message, like the whole thingof the movie. Is like it's not
really, it's not that interesting,Like, oh, they're dumping oil or
dumping noise. Now, man,because we already had on Deadly Ground,
Why are we doing this again?Yeah, I don't know, I don't

(56:34):
know. I don't have a clue. Again, like they there are like
very few environmental action movies, buttwo of them exist in the nineties,
and two of them both happened tostart Steven Seagal, Yeah, because he
was currently big on like the environmentson Deadly Ground was more preachy, a
lot more preachy. But this movieis Look, this movie. A lot

(56:54):
of the problems with this movie stemfrom the plot being kind of just not
that exciting, and then everything stemmingfrom that, and then you have problems
occurring because it's set somewhere specific,so you start doing weird specific things to
tailor it to where it's set.I just don't think it's the old thing.
It's the same old thing. It'sbasically kind of like recycled material from

(57:20):
other films. Well, and againlike not told in the particularly new,
exciting, interesting or unique ways.It just yeah, it was not like
there was not really much talk aboutthe company itself that was polluting or you
know how why they picked this placeor because it's his home. Why he

(57:44):
would pollute his hometown makes no senseto me. But okay, it makes
no sense, like you would literallydump it anywhere. But that, Yeah,
and it just the villain. Youdon't know shit about him, to
be honest with me, to behonest with you, I mean, because
he's in the film a lot,but he don't really know anything about him.
He likes women and he has womenhanging around him all the time.

(58:05):
Another Nuggies, But that's it.That was another nineties trope though. Yeah,
and he just doesn't have a Hedoesn't have much of a he doesn't
have an original personality. He's everyother fucking nineties centman that you've seen,
you know, the big corporate he'she could be inner inner h Inner,

(58:27):
matched with fucking Michael Kane. Imean again, but that's my Michael Kane
was trying to do the same thingthat Hans Gruber was doing. Hans Gruber
Alan Rickman created the character that thesecharacters actors, but they're not smart,
they're not smart enough. I don'tI don't know what it is. I
think that that only worked once ina lot of ways. But the Hans
Gruber one played that Alan Rickman,who's a fucking great actor. What so

(58:52):
is Michael Kane. But let mefinish. It's the script. And he
made that character very formidable because hewas smart, he was cunning, and
he had okay, he had thisplan mapped out like to the letter when

(59:16):
he when he took over Knakatomi Plaza, he knew what he was going for.
He had it to the you know, he had it timed out.
Basically, he was more he wasvery you know, methodical. The villain
in this one, there's no there'sno sense of wit to him. There's

(59:37):
no sense of cleverness or formidability.It's just he's the big He's the he's
the the big villain in the videogame that you have to defeat, the
easy villain in the video game youhave to defeat. And like I said,
going tote tote to Hans Gruber withthem in the film, he was

(59:57):
he was going up against Hank Gruberthe whole time. It was a mind
the game. You know him andHans group where we're playing, we're playing
mind games with each other. Yeah, I mean again, I don't know
if having Seagal and Christophers and interactingmore in the movie would have helped anything.
I just don't. I just don'tthink the movie. I just well,
I just don't think that Seagal andthese kinds of villains works work.

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And I don't think that no,because to me, we just want to
see him up against the villain thatis equal to him, or it's more
believable. Yeah, you don't wantto put him up against an old guy
in his like sixties or seventies whois not known for being a tough guy,

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right, because Seagal's at this point'sa tough guy, and all throughout
the film he just has his henchmendo his dirty work for him, so
you know, he's no threat physicallyor you know. Look, I like
yourself. I this movie's fine.I think again, we've seen word,
we've seen better. But look thenext movie that we talk about. I'm

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interested because it's it's a supporting role. It's not a role that Segal is
the star of, and that's gutshotstraight. And he plays a character named
Paulie Trunks. And I've seen theposter and he looks strange in the movie.
So I don't know we'll see.I mean, this is like,
this is the last traditional Seagal moviewe're watching more or less, this is
the last movie that's like this.So you know, it's sad. It's

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a kind of a sad moment becausewe're finally here where we know that the
movies are not going to ever belike I mean, we'll have like two
movies that kind of exit wounds infrom the Cradle, Cradle to the Grave
or whatever the hell. The otherone is like those movies are the last
two that kind of he's in intheaters other than Machete. But you know,

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this is his last starring role fromnineteen ninety seven, see almost fucking
twenty plus years ago now, soshit, yeah, it's wild if you
think about it, it's been it'sbeen twenty No, it's been twenty six
years. Twenty six years since hehad a starring lead role in a movie
that came out in theaters. Sobasically, you know, I mean a

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fully fledged adult who can vote anddrink. So so until the next time
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