AFC East 2025 Preview

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the On
the Sideline podcast of Jackson and Kyle. I am Jackson
and I am joined here as always by the man
who is ready to talk about three division losers and
the Newland Patriots. Kyle, Kyle, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Doing pretty good? Yeah, Pats are back, Baby, here we go. No,
I'm just kidding you know, this this division does feel
like a bit of a foregone conclusion. But you know,
I'm excited to talk about my team, and we just
had a big mini camp day today and I'm excited
for the results. I'm excited to see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, I'll say this, uh not the most lopsided division
in the Community Notes poll. Two percentage points lower the
leader is.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Wow, there you go. I'm pretty surprised by that, honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I thought I thought I was just gonna make
ninety five percent. But no, no, there is some uh,
there is some other some other teams have some percentage
points here, Kyle, some that could be.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Skewed by the the fan bases here. There are some
pretty loud fan bases at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
That that is that is potentially true. Spoiler alert. The
Bills are still projected to win by the community, notes
Paul kylemlet unless you were hoping that the Patriots somehow
got that much votes, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I was not very optimistic for that situation. This does
feel like it is the Bill's division now, it has
been for a few years, and I don't see that
changing really much at all. So yeah, I think that
there's one very clear cut favorite. I don't even need
to like pretend like it's a spoiler. There's one team
that is better than everybody else.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
It's fine, yeah, but always intriguing with the other three teams.
I do think that, you know, then we'll talk about
some of these teams. I think the question for these
other three teams is can they be better than expected?
Which kind of is part of why this is considered
such a lopsided division. But I do think there is
some real intrigue. In fact, Kyle, your list where you're
gonna go through and go four to one to talk

(02:37):
about these teams. I am very interested in seeing where
you will have these teams from four to three and two,
because I think you could honestly argue any of the
three in any of the three spots. Maybe, I mean,
you know, it'd be a little bit tough for some
of them, but there's definitely a discussion to be had
for all of this.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, I mean it's close, It's definitely close. I think
the Vegas win totals had them all two wins apart
six and a half days eight and a half wins,
so they all have them basically sub five hundred teams
within a game of each other. So yeah, I think
if you I think you could make the case for
any team being two, three and four. I do think
there's one team that I'm just putting towards the bottom

(03:14):
for now for some very obvious reasons. But you know,
I do think for the other part, like there's there's
a case that they could be pretty good if thing
change based on last season. So I think it could
go either way.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah. Well, without further ado, Kyle, because we've already had
a lot of a do we don't need further ado.
Let's get into the list. Number four. Where are you
going here? In the AFC East.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, so we'll start off with the AFC East. This
is my sixth rank division in the NFL. There's one
team at the top that is absolutely Super Bowl contender.
I think the other teams took a bit of a hit,
especially the teams in the middle of this division. It's
not very strong top to bottom. I do kind of
see this as a one playoff team division. But that
team is very good. Starting at number four, I had

(04:00):
the New York Jets. Yeah, I think this team could,
you know, talk itself into being better than when it
was last season. You know, a lot of things went wrong,
and I think there's a lot of blame on the
infrastructure with letting Aaron Rodgers basically run the team a
little bit, especially in the offense step of the ball.
They brought all of his guys in Devontae Adams, you know,
they took I think the Jets absolutely nine times out

(04:21):
of ten should have taken that risk. They should have
taken that risk to take the opportunity to try and
win a Super Bowl. It backfired, it didn't work. That
being said, I don't think all the blame should go
on Nathaniel Hacking and Aaron Rodgers. There's a lot of
guys on this team from last season that we had
high expectations for, including Garrett Wilson got paid, including Breise Hall,
who's a young stud running back who was going first

(04:43):
in fantasy drafts. You know, Sauce Gardner, you know, you
look at all the young Jermaine Johnson, all the young
players on this team. I felt like all of them
kind of just didn't play well last season. So could
there be a thing where young players just kind of
figure their stuff out and play better? And this seems
better potentially, but the still a big what if. You know,
why did these guys play back last season? Could these

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guys play better this season? And then the whole aspect
of it is that justin fields as your starting quarterback,
which I do think puts a ceiling on your team,
even though he had some moments last season with Pittsburgh
and surpassed my expectations with the Steelers last year.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, I think a trend that's gonna happen throughout talking
about the Jets is gonna be, well, this player didn't
play great last year, but has played great in previous years.
Fuck everyone. Sometimes you have those years like what the
the Texas Rangers that one year a couple years back,
where it's like everyone just happened to have career years
in the same season. It's like sometimes you have the
Jets kind of the opposite where it fuck everyone had

(05:38):
career lows. You know, obviously Aaron Rodgers that there was
that whole situation, Kyle, we always start off with the
two most important people in the organization for most organizations.
I think ownership plays a bigger role with the Jets
than it does in other organizations. But I mean, Aaron
Glenn completely unproven. I'll give him tier four just because

(05:59):
I do like some of what he has to do,
but like he's completely unproven justin fields again, we'll see.
Like you said, with the Steelers, he like he showed
more to maybe we expected him to. He has. He
wasn't horrible with the Bears either, but like he hasn't
shown enough consistency to be a starter. So he still
is tier five for now and for this season to
go Okay, they're probably gonna need to get better than

(06:21):
tier four and tier five coaching and quarterback play this.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Year, absolutely, and it's currently looking like tier four and
tier five the justin fields thing. Like I said, I
do think he surpassed my expectations with Pittsburgh last season.
That being said, I do think he's the kind of
quarterback than in an Arthur Smith scheme where it's kind
of built to be safe for quarterbacks. I think he
did well in that situation for a reason. I don't

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know if he's gonna have that same security even though
he has some good players on this team to work with.
It's it's still different, right and I think that's gonna
be a big question mark for me. And then the
airing Lend thing, I think it is interesting. I did
like him a lot as an assistant coach and as
a head coaching candidate. I just think the fascinating thing
as far as it goes with the Jets is typically

(07:07):
when you see a team fire a coach, the instant
instinct is to go to the exact opposite of what
you did. The last time, they had Robert Sala, who
was the up and coming defensive coordinator, kind of the raw,
raw guy the San Francisco forty nine ers, brought a
lot of energy, brought that defensive scheme, all that kind
of stuff, and they went and let him go to

(07:28):
bring in Aaron Glenn, who kind of feels like the
same guy. Like and you know, every head coach is different,
not everything is the same, but he feels a lot
like hiring Robert Sala all over again where it didn't work.
So can it work for Aaron Glenn and can't he
make this work? And can he be a better head
coach in certain aspects that Robert Sala did eventually fail in,
even if it wasn't all his fault for his firing.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, I mean, you're correct. The boxes that Robert Sala
checks are the same ones that that Aaron Glenn checks.
So it's just it's a bit a bit unique this uh,
this situation. But uh yeah, I mean, well, uh, we'll
see how it goes the the kind of One of
the biggest question marks last season, other than Aaron Rodgers

(08:11):
was the receiving corps. They ended up trading for Devonte
Devanta Adams, who you know, actually played pretty well for them. Obviously,
he has now left to join the Rams. Garret Wilson.
We can have the discussion of is he a great
number one or is he like a you know, okay
number one. He's a very good wide receiver. I think
he has kind of been asked to do too much

(08:32):
sometimes in a situation. I think he's very good and
expect him to be very good this year. We didn't
have a lot of who's who, right it's it's Alan Lazard.
Tyler Johnson's probably gonna get some snaps this year. Josh
Reynolds is he wide receiver. Number two for this team
is Malachai Corley gonna step up and get significant playing time.
They don't only have much tight end stuff here either.

(08:55):
I guess I'll be nice and give it tier four
receiving corps, but you could easily talk to me at
a tier five There is really nothing outside of Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, receivers number two and three were a problem last
season before they got Adams, and then they let Adams
walk in free agency obviously, so this is a big problem.
I do think it is an issue. And you know,
like you said, they may be asking Garrett Wilson to
do too much. Sometimes, well he's gonna be asked to
do more because he also doesn't have as good as
a quarterback, even if Rogers didn't have that great of
a season. So yeah, it's gonna be a lot. I

(09:25):
think this team's gonna struggle to move the ball, especially
through the air. And yeah, I don't think this team
is built with skill positions in mind, because they just
don't have the talent right now. Even though Garrett Wilson
doesn't have a ton of talent. I think this team's
built more on the interior, and that's where they're probably
gonna try and thrive with the mobile quarterback with a
good within theory, a good running back behind him as well,
and this offensive line trying to carry him.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Let's talk about that running back because you brought up
a couple of times, you know, the the greatness of
Breas Hall, But I think it's fair to say, like
we've really seen one complete season out of bres Hall, right,
like it's all is not He's been rattled up injuries.
He hasn't always given you amazing play. He always shows
the flashes. I felt like every year he has like
one eighty yard touchdown and you're like, oh, yeah, there

(10:09):
he is. But again, can you count on that now?
Braylen Allen's their backup, who actually think is underrated. But
I'm gonna go tier three running back. It has the
potential to be Tier one, but I just I need
to see it.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Absolutely, it has the potential, but yeah, we need to
see it for sure. I agree with everything he just said.
We have seen the flashes from Bristol, but it hasn't
been consistent enough. He just hasn't really solidified himself. I
think as that number one guy. I don't think he's
created enough big plays. I don't think he's been explosive enough.
He put the ball on the ground a lot last
season and cut it with that, So I think he's

(10:44):
definitely got to improve. And yeah, I mean I kind
of agree with you. I wouldn't be surprised if if
Breese Hall looks a lot like he did last season,
I wouldn't be surprised with this becomes Braylen Allen's backfield.
He's still just twenty one, which seems you know, it's
a year or two for him. He's still but yeah,
he was young when he came to the end of Phil.
He still feels really young, and he had some really
explosive moments. Like It's still gonna take a little bit

(11:05):
of time for him, I think, But you know, there's
a lot of talent there for a guy that young.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, so uh, we'll see. I mean again, it feels
like if the Jets are gonna be better, like having
one of those guys have a good year is probably
a part of it. You brought up the trenches let's
go there now to round out the offense, some really
good stuff here. So first you have the the young
uh tackle situation where we have Alu Fashanu, who we

(11:30):
saw as you kind of brought up in one of
our podcasts earlier. He sort of was bounced around and
rounding different positions. Once he finally got to his natural
position at left tackle, he played well there. Uh he
will play left tackle this season. He will hopefully played
well there. Also, Aman Membo is someone who is you know,
uh I tackle. I think we both really liked uh

(11:50):
coming out of the draft. He's that. That's good young guys.
Now again, are there going to be some grung pains
Probably that that's probably gonna happen, But they should have
Benge at least be very good interior or Joe Tipman,
John Simpson who's coming off of a career year, and
Elijah Vera Tucker. So again, five guys that should be
able to play very well with a couple of young

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guys and just Simpson's gonna repeat his last year season.
I'll go tier two. But this is easily the strength
of this offense.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Easily the strength and it has potential for Tier one
They've invested a lot in this group. I mean, there
are what four first rounders in this offensive line right now,
so they've invested a lot in this group, and it
is very good. This may be the best interior offensive
line in football. Just I think the strength of those
three guys combined where we've seen the Chiefs and the

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Chiefs and the what's the other team that was really Oh,
the Lions lose a few guys in their interior spots.
This team has three really really good players in those
positions and two first round tackles who, like, like you said,
Olufashanu when he played left tackle last year, he was
pretty good. I think he could be very good at
that spot. And then Men was just an animal in
college and has an opportunity to be a stud at

(13:04):
that right tackle spot as well. I do into this
fake rowing pains at those positions still, but you have
such a great foundation next to them in that interior
spot that like that, that is definitely what this team's
gonna be using to try and succeed.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, so should be very interesting with that, and I
do think they'll run the ball a lot, maybe run
with the quarterback a lot, try to utilize that should
be very interesting to see and that that's probably where
they're gonna try and you know how they're gonna try
to move the ball. Kyle, I don't know what to
make of this defense. I'm just gonna be honest because
this is again we talked about the players who had
down years. Sauce Gardner maybe the biggest example was for

(13:39):
year one and two, a guy who looked like he
was gonna win All Pro every year he was in
the league. Last year, I still thought he was good,
but he just wasn't at that level. And then it's
it's who they bring him. Brandon Stevens, who was not
very good for the Ravens, which like that never happens,
So that's not someone I'm banking on necessarily. They did
draft as a Ryah Thomas. You also have Isaiah Oliver,

(14:00):
uh you know, uh, Tony Adams for the corners. You again,
we'll we'll see what happens there for the safety situation.
To have Andre Cisco uh in the mix and you
have uh, you know uh or you know, Tony Adams
will probably play the kind of the corner safety hybrid.
But Malcolm Moore, uh, they have at that they drafted,
so like, I don't know what to make of this guy.

(14:22):
I think I'm just gonna say, like tier three because
like I'm kind of throwing my hands up and saying, like, again,
what are these What are we gonna get out of
these guys? Like are we gonna get them back to
what they if? If so ost Gardener is a lockdown
corner again, okay, that helps a lot of things. If
he's not that, this could be tough because Brandon Stevens
gonna have to step up or is as Arayah Thomas
gonna step up and be a solid starter? Like this
is just this is a complete wild card situation for me.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
It is a weird one for sure. And the problem
I have is that, like even if sost Gardner turns
back into what he was year one, like you said,
it helps, but there's still plenty of questions around the
rest of the secondary. You know, it's it's far from
perfect even beyond that, never mind letting like the guy
like DJ Reid go and then like that. I think
that's the big thing with the Jets, Like, yeah, we

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say a lot of guys underperformed on this team, and
it just seemed like there was like a like a
negative energy around this team a lot of the season,
even from before it even started at times. So I
think that was a big question with this team. That
was an issue. However, if you look at Davonte Adams
and DJ Reid, you could argue they lost their two
best players from last season and that team won five games,

(15:26):
like and then you're asking this team to play better.
So I just I think you if you're if you're
losing those two players, I just I question how you're
able to make that up. And like, like I said,
I think sauce Gardner could be terrific. I still think
he has a ton of talent, but the rest of
the secondary still has plenty of questions. For me. They
could throw away from Sauce Gardner. He could have an
all Pro season all over again, and this could be

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a bad secondary potentially.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, it's it's it's we'll see again, you know. Like
I said, there's a couple of rookies here that if
they can come in and play well, Like we saw
with the Eagles, how much that changed things when they
had again they put more resources into the secondary in
terms of drafting guys. But still sometimes that can that
can be the wild cards, so we'll see how it goes.

(16:09):
Front seven. There's a lot of good stuff in the
front seven. Even last year. You know, you had Quincy
Williams and Jamon Sherwood, both are coming off of good seasons.
You also have Quinn Williams, the interior guy who again
isn't coming off his best year, who is for the Jets.
But you also have Byron Coward Derek Noddy for the
interior and then the edge Will McDonald the fourth who's
one of the most interesting players in that he you know,

(16:32):
PFF is not a fan of him at all. He's
like eighty second ranked there. He also was really good
in both pressures and sacks last season. If you watch him,
he was very He had a very bizarre season where
he's like great in those awkward moments, but isn't necessarily
always the best at just beating tackles one on one.
Also not not much of a run defender, that's part
of the issue, but still is someone who is giving

(16:55):
you stuff. Hopefully you get Jermaine Johnson back and healthy
this year, so you know, I like this I like
this unit. It's not my favorite in the world, but
I'm gonna go tier twos for both run defense and
pass rush.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, it's solid up there. This team's built in the
trenches and they have good players across that with Johnson,
with Williams, with McDonald, there's at least something there you
could talk yourself into, like I think, I mean, especially
like if you combine Jermaine Johnson and Will McDonald into
one player, that's honestly it's rific player, you know, but
they you know, that's kind of the two players that

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you're banking on carrying this group. And I think that
they can. And never mind, you still have re lely
good linebackers and Quentin Williams too, So all that put together,
I think it's a great group up front. And I
think that's also the strength. It's his defense right now.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, ultimately do o, Kyle, I do kind of agree
with you with this team. I am not too high
on d Jets during this season. I'm going to go
with a four and thirteen projected record for them. I
think that I just think this is this is the
rebuilding year. This is we're trying to see what we have.
Hopefully we can figure out what we have with this
unit and then you know, make things work from there.
But yeah, I think, like you know, Aaron Glenn's probably

(18:04):
just gonna see, Okay, what corners are good, which could
these corners are not good, and then we can try
and add pieces next year, like and really that with
every position that that just feels like how the Jets
are going to operate with is this is almost a
tryout year.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's kind of what I'm feeling like. They just kind
of have to assess who's good and who's not and
then figure it out from there. I think there's good
pieces with this Jets team. I do think they've drafted
pretty well at certain spots too. But they clearly had
a plan to go all in on Aaron Rodgers in
that situation and it blew up in their face. But
they took the chance. Now you're kind of left picking

(18:37):
up the pieces. And the only thing I hope, because I,
like I said, I am a fan of him, is
that they're willing to be patient with Aaron Lennon and
understand this situation is gonna take a little bit of time.
I'm gonna feel really bad if for like a year
from now asking you know, he's on the hot seat
or something like that, or I mean, even fired after
one season. That's something I don't want to see. I
think he's gonna give He's got to be given patients

(18:57):
in this situation because this does feel like a little
bit of a project. I could pick and choose random
things I really like about this team, but then there's
also things I think definitely weighing it down.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, so we'll see. We'll see what happens here with
the New York Jets. But we got three other teams
to talk about. So let's move right along. Kyle, who
do you have finishing third in the AFC East? Is
this the Patriots or are you you feeling good about
this season for New England? Are you going to give
it to the Dolphins or the Belts if you want to.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Get crazy, definitely not. I think people are definitely gonna
say I'm biased, and that's fine. I'm not necessarily like
overly optimistic about this Patriots season, but I'm gonna have
the Dolphins third. I think there's a scenario here where
if you're a Dolphins fan, you could talk yourself into
your team and be really excited, and I wouldn't blame you.

(19:46):
I think there's a situation here where it could be
a very good team and even playoff team potentially. However,
this kind of just feels like the House of Cards
team when it comes to this season. Like I think,
if every thing goes perfectly, I think the Dolphins can
be a playoff team. But we just see a bunch
of guys in this team that I don't anticipate it

(20:07):
going perfectly. There's just too much injury risk for me.
You know, you look at Tua where I think Tua
had some of his best performances last season when he
was healthy, but he wasn't healthy all that much. Again.
Tyreek Hill is thirty one now and dealing with you know,
he's had leg injuries the past couple of seasons that
he's played through or missed a game or so here
and there to kind of like rest his hamstring and

(20:28):
stuff like that. Jalen Waddles had some bang ups to
you know, you just go through that group. You know,
a lot of changes to this offensive line, even on
the defensive side of the ball. You know, Jalen Phillips
has had plenty of injuries throughout his career. You look
at a guy like Bradley Chubb, he has his injuries
in his career, even though that was a couple of
years ago removed. You know, there's just a lot of
unknown to me and a lot of injury risk with

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this team overall, to where I'm not necessarily comfortable putting them. Second,
I think that there's a scenario where this works, and
there's a much larger chance this doesn't work because of
things like that.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, definitely a House of Cards team that is absolutely correct.
It feels like, you know, honestly, you can make a
comparison to the Rams from a few years back. I
remember the Rams were kind of built on like the like,
you know, five or six star players and then it's like,
can we just get these guys all healthy for a
season because once one guy went down, I fu they
just could never recover. And then finally they got everyone

(21:23):
healthy and they traded for Stafford and von Miller and
won a Super Bowl. Again, they had gotten the higher
heights than this Dolphins team has. Is kind of the
difference there. Uh, But but you can make the comparison
with those two if you want to. Yeah, it's it's
it's fascinating with this Dolphins team. Also, Kyle, I realized
I forgot to do the the percentages. Do you want

(21:43):
to guess where the Jets ended for the community notes pool? No,
you're we are off seven percent Jets or they're not
even in last They're in third, third place in the division.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Wow, find me that.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, I know, I'm I was very surprised to see
seven percent with the Jets.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I don't see the vision there, but you know,
more power to you.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Sure, well, Jets fans are bumped up. Yeah. Let's I mean,
let's just get into the Dolphins thing. First. You have
Mike McDaniel, who heavily criticized. I still think it's a
great ex's and O's coach. I think it's fair to
criticize the other stuff that's come along with him. Although
you know, some of the things I always pushed back
on the record about Tua, I always kind of say, like, well,
look at you know who they have. They haven't always

(22:28):
had elite backups like they do now with sac Wilson
and Quinn yours. But uh, you know, there's there's there's
usually some issues there. And then Tua, who again Tua
went healthy is still really good. Unfortunately we always say
two to went healthy because he's not always healthy and
basically every season with Tua has ended with his injuries.

(22:48):
So as of right now, you know, I think I
had McNeil very low on my coaching ranking musical, So
I'm gonna say tier five for now head coach, and
then I'm gonna go Tier three quarterback. But again, Tua
one healthy is more than a Tier three quarterback. But
can I bank on him playing seventeen games and being
healthy in the playoffs? No, I can't.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, I mean it's a big question mark for sure.
So I think that Tua when he plays very is
very good. I do think this is an ideal marriage.
I think, like Mike McDaniel's has managed to build an
offense that really plays to two of strengths really well,
and I think that matters. Like I think Tua is
very good in the offense that he runs. I think
he's mastered in certain aspects. I think they have that
figured out. The problem is that he's not always out

(23:30):
there and that changes the complexion a lot. And also,
like it just feels like this this duo specifically and
their marriage and as quarterback and head coach, like it
just feels like they haven't been able to like adjust
when the going gets tough if you will, Like you know,
obviously there's the cold weather conversation or like as he's

(23:51):
just playing better teams late in the season sort of thing.
I think it's a conversation that needs to be at
it that has been had plenty of times. But yeah,
it's just one of those things where it's like, can
this team adjust when things aren't necessarily go in the
way they want? But on script, I mean, these two
are electric and this offense can be electric.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, it kind of feels like this is a team
that could be like if everything goes well, everyone's gonna
look back and say, you idiots, what were you thinking?
Not saying the Dolphins are gonna be a great team,
because like I could certainly see that happening early on
the season and maybe even later. Let's talk about the
skill position as well, for one thing. Starting off the
running backs, I actually think this is kind of a sneaky,
like good running back room where you have Davon a Chan,

(24:30):
you have Jalen Wright, even Alexander Madison as a third
string guy, Like you know, that just feels like that's
gonna work really well. I'm gonna give that a tier
two grade. The receivers are tough because it's like Jalen
Wild and Tyrek Kill If dudes, again, if you're getting
if you're getting thirty four combined games out of these
two guys, that's Tier one. Will that happen, Like you

(24:51):
said to Tyreek Hill, injuries recently, and as Tyrek Kill
is he still at the top of his game. I
feel comfortable going tier two, especially because they do not
have a ton of depth. I mean, Darren Waller is
probably gonna be the third option, and he they just
you know he is. He just came off of the retirement. Essentially,
there's just not you know, maybe Nick what Westbrook a
Kine could be something here, but they've always kind of

(25:13):
operated under Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle are enough. And again,
it's just it's the house of cards thing. You know.
If if this all stays healthy, it's gonna work. But
what happens when one thing comes comes falling down?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, I agree with everything you said. I like this
running back room a lot. I mean, even how like
four string running back all the Gordon the second had
some really good college moments. If you looked at his
uh two years ago in college, you would think this
guy is gonna be a superstar in the NFL, and
he struggled a little bit last season. That team changed
a lot. I think he could still be pretty good. Uh,

(25:45):
but yeah, the receiver thing is obviously the big question.
Jalen Wattle's got to stay on the field, that is
a huge part of it. Tyreek Hill's gotta avoid those
leg injuries or anything like that. He's just taken some
bumps and bruises over the years. That feels like they're
adding up last season, and then that's mentioned like the
whole off the field thing where you know, he didn't
seem really enthusiastic to be coming back this season, and like,

(26:07):
how how much is it? You know, we've seen receivers
you know you could go back to even like Antonio Brown,
Randy Moss. Obviously I don't think that Tyreek kills Antonio
Brown crazy, but like you look at a situation like
a Randy Moss, like if his heart's not in it,
you just can't be played football. Like, is he gonna
be wanting to play for the Dolphins if like the
first time something happens and doesn't go their way necessarily,

(26:29):
How's Tyreek kill going to react? To that. We've just
seen that bring down a lot of teams before in
a lot of situations.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, if he, if he you know, if Tua has
to miss two weeks, can he like, is he gonna
be that thrilled about trying to play with Sack Wilson?

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I can't imagine some although he could go on another
podcast and say he's the most talented quarterbacks he's ever
played with.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Maybe maybe yeah, Well, I mean Zach Wilson is a
very talented person, Like, uh, the talent is certainly there.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, this Davin Waller thinks pretty interesting, right mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I mean, as long as he avoids the recording studio,
I'm pretty excited to see him back out there.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Like, I have not dove too far into his music.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I've lived. I heard the one song that went viral
that was like the breakup song okay a few years back.
Oh yeah yeah, because see him and his Kelsey Plum,
the w NBA player, they were obviously married, they had
like a separation and then he had this like song
and then retired and it's it's not very good. It's

(27:34):
not very good. I'll say that's my reveal.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Can I like take as this. I'm sure I'm wrong,
but I feel like if you're like an NFL player,
you should be able to make pretty decent music, right,
couldn't you, Like you have the resources like pay like
a good producer, like hire like uh, you know, someone
who could teach you how to like you know, wrap
and away to kind of fits Like I thought you
should be able to like make up in like a
five out of ten.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, But the the athlete to musician crossover, the success
rate is very very low.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
It is it part of it maybe like as an athlete,
you kind of like you've assumed all you have to
do is like like show up and do your thing
and you'll be okay. And there's just it's a different
kind of thing like making like art.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I just think overall, like I think people don't anticipate
how much work is actually put into being professionals in
any craft.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
This is the same thing as like when you when
you were with a group and like people say the
funniest guy in the group should be a comedian. They
probably shouldn't because they haven't work at doing like jokes
on stage. You like, work their jokes on stage. That
takes a lot of work. And effort. It's the same thing.
Musicians just don't step in a recording booth and say like, okay,
here we go. Let me give it the old college tribe. Like,

(28:47):
I think being a professional anything is a lot more
difficult sometimes than people like to give credit for.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, I think that's true. I think my take is
if you were if you were a professional athlete and
you really cared about making music and you really worked hard,
you should be able to make something decent.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yes, yes, if you give it your full effort. I
think Dame's had a few pretty like.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, you should be able to do that. I think
I bet if you gave me like ten million dollars
to make like a rap album, I could come out
with like a song that's solid.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
We need to get that. We need to get that.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
If you want to give me ten million dollars, I'll
do it. But anyway, money on that though, Kyle, Let's
talk about something even worse than my me attempting at rapping.
Let's talk about the Dolphins offensive line here. Uh, that's
a good segue and nailed it. You do have James
Daniels coming off of an injury, but he has been
a consistently good player over his career who they bring

(29:47):
in Aaron Brewer as well at center. There is not
a lot else here that is even decent Kyle uh
the three got projected starters, Liam Eichenberg, Patrick paul In,
Austin Jackson. This is gross.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, this was a five pillar building being held up
by one very large Toront Armstead size pillar for last season.
And I mean they've also let a few guys go
obviously over the years, like Robert Hunt on the Panthers
and all that kind of stuff. Toron Armstead was holding
this offensive lineup for deer with his entire MC last season.

(30:27):
I think that's one of the most impactful losses of
the year, honestly, Like, I think it's going to change
the scrip significantly. I don't think the rest of this
group is good. The good news is they run a
scheme where the balls in their quarterbacks hands for like
one and a half seconds, so they don't have to
wear very hard pass blocking. But I think Armstead is
a significant loss for the team because this is just

(30:47):
not a very good offensive line round it at all,
and they've lost too many pieces even beyond Armstead over
the years.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, Mitch brings up in the chat the second round
pick Jonah Asks will be the starter or not. Liam. Well, listen,
I mean that I'm looking at the you know, this
always happens where people have their different Soviet starters. I hope,
so I hope he's able to come in and play well.
But again we'll have to see how things go. But ultimately,
again I'm not that. He's not someone who I was

(31:15):
a huge fan of coming out of college either, so
I'm not that's not moving the needle for me.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, it's it's not a great situation. There's not a
tough like blocking tight ends here either, so it's definitely
gonna be a weakness. But once again, I think this
is a This is a offensive scheme, and specifically a
passing scheme does not need an awesome offensive line to
begin with, so they can overcome it. But again, it's
still that house of cards thing where you know, a

(31:40):
chan hill waddle to have to be on the field
for that to work, because if any of those pieces fall,
then this offensive line issue is going to be very prevalent.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Kyle, what an interesting uh secondary this uh group kind
of looks like because first you get affecting malafon Wu
and Menka Fitzpatrick as the safeties along with Ashton Davis
is in there as well, the corner Cater Kohu. So
like it is a good nickel corner. So you have
the good interior guys the outside currently as it stands,

(32:13):
so you have Storm Duck, who uh is just that's
an all time name. I hope he sticks around just
because of the name. Undrafted free agent, came in, kind
of played like an undrafted free agent. He's probably the
corner one with this group because you also have Cam
Smith who was a second round pick but has not
gone a ton of playing time since then. Maybe they
can he can finally figure things out. But like, this

(32:36):
is a bizarre secondary quite frankly, I don't know if
if these are your corners, this is Tier five. I've
been wrong before, maybe I'll be wrong here, But like
they need a couple of young guys who've never seen
play well in the NFL play well for this coverage
unit to even be decent.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, I mean you're looking at potentially a fifth round
rookie corner starting for this team day one. I mean,
it's it's a saying like we just talked about like
the impact of Toron Armstead, I mean, and losing some
players here and there for the Jets as well, the
team lost two all Pro caliber defensive backs, like they
lost one of the best corners in the game of

(33:13):
Jalen Ramsey via trade, and they lost Jevon Holland in
free agency for a number that still baffles me how
low it was. Like, I still don't understand why he
only got paid that much money when he's a very
very good safety. Yeah, you know, they obviously, I think
they cushioned the blow of the Jalen Ramsey thing by
managing to get Miga Fitzpatrick in that trade. But Mica

(33:35):
Fitzpatrick's also one of those guys who I think year
to year, I mean, it's the same thing true for
all secondary players can be a little fluky. I think he,
you know, it wasn't as good last season. I think
he was their second best safety last season in Pittsburgh
even and I still think he's going to be a
good player. And like I said, he cushions the blow.
But this is far from an ideal group for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, front seven to finish off to defense right here,
So the edge situation is very fascinating. Where you have
Jalen Phillips and you have Bradley Chubb, both guys coming
off of injuries. Phillips had an Achilles injury. A bit
of go and just quite it really sucks, but guys
just usually don't come back and play as they did
before achilles injury. In the NFL, that's not usually what happens.

(34:19):
So I hope he because he has shown to be
such a good player when healthy, I hope he can
get back to that. Bradley Chubb missed all of last
year with an ACL injury. If he can come back
and be Bradley Chubb. Chob Robinson was a very effective
pass matcher last year. So like again on paper, these
are three good players. It's just the injury thing has
to concern you. For interior, you have Zach Seeler, who

(34:43):
was pretty good last year. He had ten sacks as
an interior guy, but also only twenty two pressures, so
he was very much when he was when he would
make something happen, he would get through the quarterback. But
you know, still that's you'll take that. Benito Jones as
an interior guy as well, and then of course kind
of Grant, who they drafted hoping that he can help

(35:04):
fill that out. For interiors, Jordan Brooks, d al Todd Dodson,
A Tyrell Doddson. Excuse me, even kJ Britt is in
the mix as a third off ball linebacker. So I
don't know. Again, I don't know what exactly to make
of all this, and I would like a little bit
maybe more depth interior wise, but I think Tier three
is for both to start off with and we'll see
if they can get better, depending on how it feels fair.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, I mean, the funny thing is you could talk
me into Tier one for this ed Rush group or
a Tier four right, Like it's just a bizarre group,
because like, yeah, this is probably a Tier one group.
We've seen Jalen Phillips, Bradley Chubb and Chop Robinson have
Tier one potential, like m hm. And you know, Bradley

(35:51):
Chubb's been a stud obviously he's twenty nine now, but
like you could also be like a twenty nine year
old coming off a towny acl a torn Achilles for
one of those guys all of a sudden, as good
as Chop Robinson is and the potentially has that's all
of a sudden a Tier four, tier five group, but
those guys aren't good anymore. So yeah, it's just one
of those things where it's really going to come down

(36:11):
to how those guys look coming back from injury, because
it is very talented.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
If it works, yeah, yeah, I mean again, this is
the team you can talk yourself into. You can also
easily talk yourself out of them, Kyle. The Dolphins were
fourth in the community notes, Paul. They were lower than
the Jets, which was very surprising to me. Only one
percentage point lower, but six percent sorry spelled it didn't like, Yes,

(36:36):
but six percent have the Dolphins winning the division. That
that surprised me.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, that is surprising for sure. So yeah, I mean, look,
I think if you wanted to be the optimistic Dolphins fan,
I think you could talk yourself into this team working.
But I also think there are a lot of issues here.
I think that there are things that I think there
are a lot of high risk situations here. Never mind
like the weaknesses of this team specifically at cornerback in

(37:01):
the offensive line, Like if you can't block for your
guys and you can't get stops on defense, then it
doesn't matter how good you know, Tyreek Hill and Tua
and Jalen Wattle. Are you're gonna lose games?

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, I'm projecting eight and nine with this team. I
hope it works out because it opens like when they've
been good had been a blast to watch, like that
seventy point game against the Broncos. They'll always have that.
And I still do like Tua, and I like Tyreek
Hill and Jalen Waddel and all these guys, and you know,
eight chan, but it's just like it's just, you know,
the House of Cards analogy is perfect. It just feels

(37:32):
like there's a higher chance of this falling than staying
up through the entire season.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, I was looking at their win totals and I
think it's like seven and a half. So like I
think people, I think a lot of people are projecting
like an eight win team. But doesn't it feel like
it's either gonna be like a ten win team or
like a five win team, Like, yeah, you probably just
split the middle. But it feels like it's either gonna
work and they're gonna make the playoffs or be like
in the hunt, or they're gonna win like four or
five games and be in contention for the number one pick.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, that that does feel like, uh, feel like what
I would what's uh, what's what's that happens? And we'll see.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Mitch, Dolphins fan says they're winning at least ten of
two of stays healthy. Hey, uh, I hope you're right, Mitch.
For your second, Like I said, I agree, make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I want to make the playoffs. Yes, but yeah, I
I I continue to say, if you want to be
the optimistic Dolphins fan, I do not blame you. There
is still enough about the scene to be excited about.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yes, for I agree. I think that the the you know,
the ceiling is higher than other teams that we're going
to put in the tier that we're gonna put the Dolphins.
And but Kyle, let's move on. Are you gonna get
super a super home or take here? Uh if you're
doing the Patriots or uh? Do you have them finishing
second in the division?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, I mean obviously I have them finishing second. I've
kind of I did not like tease this at all.
The bad job by me there. Yeah, I think this
is the one horse race for the division. I think
all of these three teams are pretty close, honestly, and
I could be talked into any different scenario. You had
the Dolphins around eight wins, I could see the Patriots
around seven eight wins too, and I would be pretty

(39:11):
depending on how that looks. For that seven eight wins,
I would be pretty happy with that, honestly, especially based
on how tough that was last season. I think the
difference between the Jets, the Dolphins, and the Patriots is
when I look at these three teams, if I'm going
to pick a unit that I say, I think this
is the best union among those three teams, it's the
Patriots defense. Like except for with barring the exception of

(39:33):
a bunch of guys getting injured, which I think you
could make an argument for any team. I just think
this defense is going to be really good. I like,
get across the board. They spend some money on a
guy like Milton Williams. Did they overpay for him? Maybe?
And Harold Landry maybe, But I think that they're still
providing some value with those teams they could still get
that make things happen. They're gonna have one of the
best corner duos in the league. They're gonna have a

(39:54):
great secondary. I think overall, Dubil Peppers also back in
the mix for that team. I think they did a
really good job with this defense for Mike Vrabel, who's
returning to coaching. The offense still has plenty of questions.
You know, we're still gonna wait and see. This is
all still kind of a mixed bag. We'll see Drake
may show some real flashes of potential, some awesome moments,
you know, you go back to that Tennessee game, leading

(40:15):
that game, tying drive, stuff like that. But there's mistakes too.
I think he's got a high ceiling and he's got
to fix some things before that's reached. So I think
there are still some question marks with the Patriots offense.
It's still a mixed bag. But I just think I got
to look across these groups and I think the defense
is gonna I think this defense is gonna carry them
in a few games that are gonna be close.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I don't know, Kyle, Uh Is it better than the
Dolphins special teams? Yes, more impact Jason Jason Sanders, more
impactful at least Joe Cardona, long snapper, who was drafted
I mean, come on.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, drafted by the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I did realize that. Uh yeah, I don't know. Even
that checks out. That makes sense now of long snapper
out of Navy. That to paint that Belichick draft the year, Uh, sorry,
getting sidetrack, Kyle. The mic Vrabel of it all is
definitely the part of where your optimism comes from. And
understandably so did a very good job with the Titans.
It was surprising when he got fired. Uh, the Patriots

(41:16):
are adding him here. He's a Tier two head coach
in my opinion. You know, he's had some great years
with them and also did Drake may Thing who you know.
I think you and I have had discussions over this
offseason about you know, you know, where is he at.
I'm gonna give him Tier four for now. But again,
he's a young player who that should only get better.

(41:36):
I think the question though, is is he going to
continue to make the grunk pains and continue to get
better or is he just going to be good this year? Uh,
we'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, I mean it very much. Is that fact. I mean,
he played in a lot of games ended up last
season because the Jacoby Brissett thing was even worse than anticipated.
And look, I think qbrs are very philosi assistic. We've
been over several times. However, he finished seventeenth in QBR
and I think that kind of feels right like I
think if you put together a highlight, if you put

(42:08):
together Drake May's highlight tape from last season, you would
think like, this is a future like top five quarterback.
I think if you put together a tap of his
low lights, you're gonna think, oh, this guy's a buff.
So there's definitely that give and take with his game.
I think he's gotta he's got to figure out a
way to limit the mistakes. And he was not put
in a great situation last season, with the coaching situation

(42:29):
and just with the overall talent of this offense. So
I anticipate it being better this season. But yeah, I mean,
the best version of Drake May can absolutely be a
stud in this league. We just we got to see
it run in the four.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I don't know, Kyle, the Drake May was seventeenth and
QBR take. That feels very much like me back in
twenty seventeen, being like, oh, Jameis Winston, look at his
yards per yards per TENTP. They're actually really good.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Listen, he makes things happen.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I mean, just UBR has been mentioned zero in like
five years of doing this podcast, and now it's getting
brought up only to talk about how good Drake may is.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I said he was seventeen, that I didn't say he
was like top five.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I know, I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I mean, there are things still, I continue to say
when it came to extended plays and kind of working
off script, there are stats out there that have him
up among the best quarterbacks in the league. Like, there
are things he does very well, yes, and so like that.
You know, if you're being muttered in the same breath
as like Lamar Jackson and Patrick mahomes as working off
script and being able to make things happen, then yeah,

(43:34):
you have something working for you. But obviously that is
still a very long leap from where he is now
to where he can be, and still a lot of
projection needs to happen there.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Sure, yes, I'll just side stuff all that. I agree
there are things he does very well, Kyle. The receiving
core was an issue last year, and that's part of
why I think that people like you and other Patriots
fans and other people in general are saying, hey, this
Patriots team could have a lot more going for them.
With Drake May. Now that they have, which isn't theory

(44:06):
a better receiving corps. You add Stefon Diggs, what is
he going to bring to the table. He still was
very good for the Texans last year prior to his injury,
and with him being a number one, can that help
fill things out? They drafted Kyle Williams as well, player
who I really like. You have the Mario Douglas, you
have Kaysehawan Boody, you have Maybe you'll get something out
of Jaylen polk Back. Hollins seemingly is good for like
one or two like amazing plays every season and then

(44:29):
a bunch of just being kind of a role player
for the rest of it. But like this this has potential. Again,
I'm not gonna go crazy over this group. I'm gonna
give it a Tier four grade, but I can see
you being maybe a bit more excited about it.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
We're excited because I mean, like, if you just look
at this receiving, if you look at the weapons this
team has had the last three or four years, this
feels like the best we've had in a while, and
it's still not that good, right. I think that is
a big thing. Kyle Williams is. You know, they clearly
had an emphasis of getting faster on offense this season,
and they bring in Kyle Williams and Trevion Henderson. We're

(45:07):
gonna talk about the running backs. Kyle william has be
for days. There's a lot of potential there, obviously, if
that works out. I do see a scenario where like,
if Stefon Diggs looks like pre injury last season, Stefon Diggs,
I'm pretty happy with this situation, Like he looked pretty
good within Houston until that injury took place, obviously, and
if we get that version of him still, I think

(45:29):
he can be a very valuable piece and that instantly
moves this offense up just a little bit. Even if
it's not the same as like peaks to Fon Diggs
and you look at the rest of the group, like
Tomario Douglas, I think could be a very good slot receiver.
Kaishan Boute played much better when Drake May came in.
You still have Hunter Henry, but it still feels like
a very much the same thing with the Patriots, where

(45:50):
it's like there's a bunch of third and fourth options,
but not a first and second option. The only difference
is that there's potential for a first and second option
and there's new names here and that's what you're excited about.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, I agree, And you know I didn't Eve bring
up Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper as well. For the
running backs again, Robondre Stevenson, Trayvon Henderson, even Antonio Gibson
as a third back, Like, okay, it's very good the
tier two Uh great for him?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah. Uh, Stevenson definitely took a step back last season.
I want to see if he can return to form,
I think, which.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Is saying something because of how good that offensive line
was last year.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, no kidding, yeah, look like yeah, it wasn't the
best situation. And plus a lot of teams are basically
just daring hit them the hand of the ball or begging.
They were playing against him specifically, Yeah, because he was
so it changed a lot. But still there's gonna be
a lot of pressure on him because Gibson did play
well in Spurts last season. He's a good backup back.

(46:47):
And then Trevion Henderson, like I think he was imperfect
at Ohio State, but like man is he explosive. He
could take any battle to the House, and like if
you if you look just at his freshman year tape,
you think this guy's gonna be a sooner start. So
there's potential there.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
M Yeah, No, I like them a lot coming out
of college. The offensive line's a bit tricky, right because
you have Morgan Moses, who's been a pretty solid right tackle,
kind of a journeyman guy, but kind of consist. He's
always been like, like, if I make a video every
off season, like ten underrated signings that will help the team,
Morgan Moses hasn't been in like every single one I've
ever made, because he's always like someone who's just like

(47:24):
not talking about a lot, but tends to help when
he goes to a new team. They also drafted Will Campbell,
who again a lot of people don't see as a tackle.
He's gonna start up left tackle. We'll see if that
can play right away. You have Mike on one you
as a guard. You have Cold Strange who will hopefully
be back and healthy as the other guard, Garrett Bradburied
there bringing in it's it's interesting. I think I'm okay

(47:46):
with going Tier three with this. I'm kind of it's
close to probably closer Tier four than Tier two, but
like they're again on paper, they should have five guys
who can at least apply.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, it doesn't feel like there's any leak links in
nim or at least like Vederian Low doesn't have to
play for this team, thankfully, But like you know, Mike
and yenlu is a good right guard. When they start
to have it bounce him around because they're trying to
make up for other positions. I think he struggles a
little more when he just put up left guard. I
think he's our right guard. He's a good player. Morgan Moses,

(48:19):
like you said, he is all reliable. He doesn't get
paid a lot, it seems like every offseason, but he
always ends up making an offensive line a little bit better.
Cole Strange hasn't quite worked out what they wanted for
the first round pick, but I also think he's one
of those guys where it's not a disaster when he's
out there. And then the two things that I think
really could boost this offensive line where I could put

(48:39):
it into Tier three or Tier two category is the
two rookies. I think Will Campbell at left tackle. You
know there's potential there. He wasn't my favorite tackle in
the draft, but like they clearly had a culture thing
that they wanted with him and the intensity that he brings.
They want that at that left tackle spot. And I
still think he could be a good player. I just
like Memble a little bit more. And the other one is,

(49:01):
you know, they have Garrett Bradberry, but they also drafted,
drafted Jared Wilson, and I just wouldn't be surprised if
Jared Wilson wins that job. We'll see. It's early in
training camp, but if Jared Wilson's the starting center like
and is pretty good from day one, I think that
there's a chance of it for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Kyle Ed in the chat says trained the backup he
won't start. Is that true?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I mean, I guess there's a potential for them shuffling
things around, whether it's leading robinsenter city. So but like
those are also guys that haven't really shown anything either,
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, listen, all we can go off of his information.
We have every podcast or someone saying, oh this person
is not gonna thart, it will be that person. Like
we're going with information we have. Yes, some of this
will end up being different come week.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
One.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Uh, Kyle, let's let you get excited a little bit.
Let's talk about this secondary. I mean you have for
the you know, for the safety, Jabrill Peppers, Kyle Duger,
also Jalen Hawkins and Bell Pettits here for the corners,
I mean, Christenden's always, Carlton Das, Marcus Jones, Kyle. This
is this is tier one.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
It's very good. Yeah, I am excited about this scroup.
You know, they didn't need a guy like Carlton Davis.
I think we just wanted kind of like a better
corner for that number two spot. But why not just
building the strength and go stay. Let's just go be
awesome in the secondary next season. You have, you know,
a guy in Carlton Davis who's been a number one
corner at multiple stops, now coming in and being your
number two guy. Him and Christian Gonzalez could be one

(50:26):
of the best man coverage units in the league. You
get Jabrill Peppers back. He had the off the field issues,
that was all cleared up. He's all back. He's good
to play him and Kyle Dugger in that safety spot.
I think that is gonna help Kyle Dugger a lot too,
because I think he was asked to do a whole
lot more than he wanted to last season, or you
would want Kyle Duggart to that safety group I think
is gonna be awesome. And then Marcus Jones, like he's

(50:47):
an imperfect player to me just because of the size limitations.
But at the same time, he's a big play thread
on defense, like he can make things happen. So I
love that group. I also think they got better at
covered linebacker spots with Spelane and Christianelli's I'm excited for
that group for sure.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah. And then to round it out with the front seven,
you know, I mean, so they bring in Harold Landry,
pay him a bunch of money. You have key On White,
You have Branden Swinston, who I think could be a
good pass rush specialist for them, which might be necessary
because for the inside. You have Christian Barmore who hopefully
you get him healthy here.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
And then you know Milton Williams, who I'm actually very
fascinating what we're gonna get out of Milton Williams. He's
someone who was really a pass rush specialist with the Eagles. Uh.
They tried to only utilize him in those spots. But
in this situation with New England, are they going to
put him in more? Uh, you just try to get
him with more snaps. I could see something like that also,

(51:41):
kaylebon Chason kind of an interesting flyer there at the
you know, at the edge position as well. For off
ball linebackers, you have guys like Robert Blaine, you know,
Marte Mapu, Christian Ellis. Uh, it's the weird word. There's
not really one star, right, even though they pay they
paid a guy Milton Williams like a star. There's not

(52:04):
only one star. But there's just a lot of players
I think are gonna be really good. So I'm a
little concerned about the pass rush, and I think they're
gonna have to rely under specialist a little bit. And
that's kind of where I'm I'm a little bit weak.
So you can almost argue it's like tier threes for both.
I'm gonna go Tier two run defense and Tier four
pass rush. But again, can they just sort of mix
and match to patch pass rush and make it work.

(52:25):
I think there's potential for that.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, it's a bunch of guys that, like you could
talk yourself into, but you know, you still want to
see someone take the lead. You know, Chason was good
last season. I think Chason could actually be a pretty
good pick up as an extra pass rusher there Harold Landry.
It's kind of interesting because Harold Landry is the big
like raw number stat stats guy, but not the good
advanced analytics guy. And I think Keon White is the

(52:48):
guy who doesn't have like the raw numbers, but it
is the analytics guy, So like, how do those mesh?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I also think like Christian Barmore now being healthy, him
and Milton Williams are gonna be able to provide some
interior pass rush. I think that is something they're going
to rely on to. But yeah, I agree, there's a
lot of names and a lot of guys you're interested in,
but there's no like standout player for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, Sore, where am I at? I'll say where I'm
at with this Patriots team, and then I'll ask you
where what do you think? I kind of like this team,
Like I think that I think they're a year away
at least. I think they need to still improve upon
the offense, and the criticisms of you know, should they
have put more resources in the offense this past offseason.
I think they would have liked to there's there was again,

(53:31):
you know, Chris Gobin turned down their contract, right that
they tried. Its just only so much can be done
and at a certain point you have to just help
what you can help. Ultimately, I think this defense could
be really good. I trust Mike Mike variable. I think
the offense could be better. I think I'm leaning towards
like a nine and eight record with this team. I
still don't think I see them as a playoff team,

(53:52):
or maybe they can squeak in as the seventh seed.
But I do think this is a team that we
I expect to be much better this season.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I expected to be better too. I have higher expectations
for this team just because on its face, I think
this team defensively and coaching wise, is going to be
a lot better than it was last season. I don't
want to hate on Gerard Mayo, but I think there
were some issues there. I don't think he managed games
very well as a head coach. I think they gave
him a good chance, and you know, it just didn't
work out. So I understand what happened there. I think

(54:22):
if this team won seven or eight games and Drake
May played well in showed development and looked like a
fringe top ten quarterback. I'd be thrilled with the season
because I just think that there were too many games
last year where they they weren't fun to watch, like
that was the toughest thing, like winning and losing games whatever.
We've won a lot of football games in the last

(54:43):
two decades. I can't be that much of a complainer
about it. They just were boring, Like, yeah, that was
my biggest issue with the Patriots the last couple of seasons,
as they're terribly boring to watch, and I think when
Drake May came in and it was a little less boring.
I think he's an incredibly fun quarterback, even though there
was the hit and misses. I think that at the minimum,
if this teem's a little bit more fun to watch

(55:04):
and a little more competitive, I'm excited and I think
they can win eight games for sure, But still I
still think they're a year away from being a playoff team.
In as much as I think Stank Von Diggs will
make it a little bit better, they really do need
a number one option, whether it is maybe like a
Kyle Williams having a breakout season or eventually next offseason
they go and get somebody to fix that.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Yeah, so we'll see, Kyle, what do you expectations going in?
I say, I say nine and eight. Are you going
to take the over to under? If you have to?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I would take the under on that just because ten
wins feels lofty, Like I think eight or nine wins
is like a good like best case scenario. I think
I think ten wins would be incredible, but like, yeah,
that's just the only reason I picked the under. I
think eight or nine wins is completely fair.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah. So with that, just looking at my AFC rankings
out put them just outside of the playoffs for year one.
But still, you know, you again get back into end
the Hunt graphic, Kyle. That's where you're at right now.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, if they're in the hunt, I'm tripped, Like I really,
like I said, be fun, be fun to watch, and
be in the hunt. That's all I want.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, Kyle, A team that has been the Indie Super
Bowl Hunt these past couple of years. The Buffalo Bills
are once Oh, I guess I should ask about the poll.
How many people do think predicted the Patriots to win
the Division eleven percent have the Newland Patriots winning the
division that is second most, So you were not alone.

(56:37):
You were not alone in your Patriots hype. Other people
also agree that they should be second.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah, I mean the Vegas win totals having the second
highest two they're eight and a half, so I think
they're kind of around the zone. It's just the separation
between two through four is smaller than the gap between
one and two.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah, I think so as well. I think that there
could be I mean, Kyle, I think there's an I
was trying to think, is there a chance the Bills
could win more games than the other three teams combined?
Because that possible, I think probably not right, The Bills
would have to win like fifteen games, and then like
the Patriots won like seven, and Adulphins and Jets each
one like four or something like that. I guess that

(57:14):
whatever that's still that would be tied. So I guld maybe, yeah,
it'd be tough, but I thought you could maybe talk
about it greater than zero potentially.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, it's definitely gonna take a lot, but I guess, yeah,
sure it's greater than zero percent. This Bill team is
you know, as we obviously transition into that this Bills
team is really good. Man. We continue to say it,
We continue to wait for it to happen. You know,
they they've been very, very close to the last few years,
but you just continue to look at this roster. I mean,
I think this offense is gonna be even better than

(57:44):
it was last season, and it was it was pretty
darn good. Josh Allen obviously won the MVP. I think
it could be even better this season with all those
pieces in the defense, you know they take There's still
a few things I don't love about this defense. There's
still a few week spots for me. But they took
some chance and I think, you know, there is a
chance those those risks payoff and really lift elevate that

(58:05):
defense too. This team's absolutely super Bowl contender. I wouldn't
be surprised. You know, they were at the team I
picked last year to win the Super Bowl. They came close.
I think that they could absolutely win the Super Bowl
this season. You know, one of these years, it feels
like it's going to happen for the Bills. Maybe it's
this year.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, we will see. Is this finally the year? I
mean again, two people at the top. First off, I mean,
we talk about the Bills being contenders because of Josh Allen, right,
and there's other things that are good about this roster,
which we'll get into, but like, but yeah, I mean again,
we could talk about should he have one to MVP
last year or not. He probably should have won an
MVP in the past two years. He gets one this

(58:42):
past year. Really, you know, again, a complete game changer
every game he plays.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Absolutely, I mean, he's just a fantastic player, without a doubt.
I mean, there's not much else. Like coul Be said
about Josh Allen, I had him as number one in
our quarterback rankings for a reason. I think week to
week he's asked to do a lot. And this team,
like one of the things that they've been really good
at the last couple of seasons where I think Case
has really kind of you know, they keep winning. I mean,

(59:11):
like I criticize Kanna City and they keep making the
super Bowl at certain things, so it's not that big
of a criticism. But like, they paid Josh Allen, so
they had to let guys go. They lets the fun
digs go, they let a few other guys go on
this offense, and they keep getting better and that's also
because Josh Allen is terrific, and the other part of
it is because they keep drafting really well as well
and develop it. So both of those things go hand
in hand. But Josh Allen is definitely the tide raising

(59:34):
everything around him.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah, Sean McDermott, I have a Tier three head coach.
It's weird because I think for most people, if their
head coach is one weakness is they don't do a
great job of game planning around Patrick Mahomes in conference championships,
you'd say, okay, we'll take that. The issue is the
Bills are the exact team that needs like you to
be good at that kind of thing, so that is unfortunate.

(59:56):
But again, I think Tier three is fair for McDermott
the time when I would have been higher on him.
But again, gotta figure something out for Kansas City. Maybe
it's just personnel and they'll figure it out, but gotta
figure something out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, it's definitely frustrating. I mean, we'll see how they
look against Baltimore and Kansas City again in the citeason
they play in both in the regular season. It didn't
work out in the playoffs. The thing that just you know,
he finally changed last season, he finally played man to
man more against Kansas City and it worked in the
regular season game. They look really good in that game,
and then Kansas City had more adjustments for the playoffs

(01:00:32):
and they didn't win that game. So like he finally
made the adjustments needed, it felt like to beat Kansas City.
It just they didn't beat Kansas City. So it continues
to hang. It's just the cloud hanging over this team,
right like that is it's a frustrating thing to say, like, oh,
this team's so good, so good, so good, and then
some you know, dork on Twitter will be like, yeah,
but how do they perform in January? It's like you

(01:00:53):
know what I mean, sure, like I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean it's almost like the the
James Harden Rockets going up against the Warriors all the time,
where it's like you're really good, but it's like you
just can't can't seem to get over this hump. Hopefully
they have a better uh ending than that team ended
up having. Kylet's talk about the scale players here. So
you have key On Coleman, who at times looked like
a number one guy but has had some inconsistencies in

(01:01:16):
his game early on, kind of understandable. Kalotchaki is really
the guy they look towards. Some big spots, very good uh.
Out of the slot you have Curtis Samuel, Joshua Palmer,
even Elijah Moore is is in the mix. Uh. You
I clutch kJ Hamler too. Maybe they'll get something out
of him this year. I wouldn't bang on it, but
maybe Dalton Kaid Dawson Knox one of the better uh

(01:01:38):
perceiving tight end duos in the league. Uh. And then
for the running backs, James Cook is currently on the roster.
We'll see, if you know, there's been that uh thing
that has developed today where he said that he wants
a contract or a trade, so we'll see how that goes.
Running Backs tend to not get what they want when
they make that deal, so we'll see how that goes.
Ty Johnson Ray Davis are also there. So for now

(01:02:01):
I'm just gonna say, even hey, Frank Gored Junior is
still under roster. For now, I will say tier two
running back room. I think tier four receiving room. But again,
we just know it's gonna play better than that with
Allen it's kind of how I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, it is gonna play much better than that. I agree.
I think Dalton king Kaid's they're probably their best player
in this receiving room. Like I think he is really good.
I think he could have a huge, huge leap again
this season, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's up
there with one of the best tight ends of football.
They have a lot of weapons though, and josh Allen
isn't afraid to move it around and use different guys.

(01:02:35):
So Shakier's really good. Like you said, it just seems
like every big third down they need, Shaquir comes up
with it. Keyon Coleman is the big play threat, and
I wouldn't be surprised if Joshua Palmer's pretty awesome in
this offense too. I really like that three headed monster.
Plus he got Knox and king Kaid and in theory
James Cook can also catch the ball out of the backfield.
But at the same time you mentioned James Cook, I
think he's a terrific player. I'm a huge fan of his.

(01:02:57):
We went on this last season, but I think he
turned it on late in the year. But there are
times in the middle of the year that Ray Davis.
You know, this offense looked pretty good with Ray Davis
back there, and that could be one of the things
Buffalo is looking at is they have Tid Johnson who
can catch the ball out of the backfield. They have
Ray Davis, who at times looked really good in that spot.
Maybe they're just not worried about that position if they

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have to move on from James Cook.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think. I don't think it'd be
crazy to do something like that, but if you could,
you know, if you could get a pick back for
him or something like that. The offensive line is also
very good. Actually, I'm gonna bump my raid. I'm gonna
go Tier three receiving room match now I think about it, because,
like again, tight ends, they just have so much depth there.
Even though it's not the they don't have maybe and honestly,

(01:03:42):
they do have guys who can win one on ones.
Dalon Kincaid Okay, I know he dropped the pass in
a big spot, but it's still a really good player
getting open one on one, and I you know, I
really think that uh you know, uh Khalil Chak here
is someone who can win there as well. But anyway,
offensive line down. Spencer Brown, awesome pass protecting tackle duo.

(01:04:03):
It'll be two out of the three of Osiris Torrance,
Alec Anderson and David Edwards at the guards. Connor mc
govern will start at center. This is this is really
good stuff Tier one offensive line for me. I think
it's it's the only knock is it's not quite the
elite running run blocking unit that some of these other
teams are. But who cares there the bills, you know, not,

(01:04:24):
who cares it matters, But I think this is really
good to have depth, they have really good starters. I'm
all about this Spills offensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, if they're not running the ball, they're still going
to throw the ball twenty times in a row where
Josh Allen's just gonna run in at a pass place.
So they are really good at that group. Love the
tackle duo, and they got definitely interior honestly. So yeah,
very little complaints about this group. One of the best
offensive lines in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Kay, Let's talk about the secondary for this team, because
that was in my opinion, that was what cost them
a chance to win a Super Bowl last year, was
they just did not have depth in the secondary. They
have addressed that with drafting Maxwell Harrison in the first
round a very fast corner. You can't you just can't
help but think that that is in part a response
to how fast Kansas City is, although I think he's

(01:05:12):
also he was worth that pick. Anyway. You have Christian
Benford who's just awesome as a corner, so you know,
Tearn Johnson, maybe get something out of Trey White as
a depth corner instead of having to be a starter.
Although again the Maxwell Harrison thing, if he comes in
and plays well, that is going to just completely change
how we view this team. Safety solid Cam Lewis, DeMar Hamlin,

(01:05:35):
Taylor Rap. I think you would like a better starting
safety in the mix there, but I'm gonna go tier
two coverage. But again, it's just it has potential for
Tier one, it has potential for like Tier four. I
just I don't know what's gonna happen here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, I still don't love the Deamar Hamlin piece of this, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I just tell me third safety, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yeah, yeah, And that's just kind of what we're looking
at this corner group, though it could be very interesting,
Like Benford is I think a very good number one corner.
I don't think he's a great number one corner, but
I think he's a very good one. To Ron Johnson,
I think is a very very good nickelback, if not
one of the best. He's up there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Though I love Nack.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Uh yeah, and then uh yeah. It's just one of
those things where I think it's like the safety thing
where it's like if if Harrison plays well, it's a
bonus and at minimum, like like, they're not great, but
at the same time, like Trey White and Dan Jackson
aren't the worst case scenario for a second corner spot, right, Like,
it's still not ideal. You want Harrison to outplay those

(01:06:36):
guys and start, but like, if those guys have to play,
it's not the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yeah, you're there's reason to believe that either one of
Jackson or White could end up coming in and being
like a fine like corner too. I got thought crazy,
that's not there's it's not a crazy world when that happens.
But again, if this is gonna be an.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
It also done him for a lot of years with
those two being that guy and still being good. So
holding that the Harrison out plays.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Them, yeah, I agree, although again Trendius White when they
were when he was at his best was pre Achilles injury,
which I think is worth mentioning as well. But the
flip side is, I mean, we always talk about how
things can go wrong. What if Harrison's like just like
a really good number two corner for them? Like, how
much does that change the dynamic if they actually have

(01:07:22):
a defense that can go toe to toe with Kansas
City and Baltimore's as those top units, and now they
still have the Josh Allen who's always awesome in the
playoffs factor as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Mm hmm, yeah. I mean you just look at this grouping.
You could say, mand a man, they can match up
with just about anybody. You know, I don't think Matt
Milano coming off an injury was his best performance self
last season, but I still think he's a very good
coverage linebacker. You know, you have Torelle Benard who's a
good longbacker too, So you have all those options. You
have plenty of ways to attack teams like a Kansas

(01:07:52):
City or a Baltimore with that group, And yeah, if
Harrison's good, then yeah, this team's gonna win a lot
of battles one on one and win Manda Man matchup,
that's really gonna be a benefit to them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
As for the front seven, you already brought up the
linebackers for edge guys. Greg Russeau one of the real
underrated edge players in this league. Also A. J. S.
Peneza and Michael Hoyt are two very good players that
if they need to get two thousand snaps out of
those three, they could. But you also had a Joey Bosa.
Who what are you getting out of Joey Bossa? Are
you gonna get him healthy? I think they're gonna try
and do similar to what they did with Von Miller.

(01:08:24):
Let's not ask you to go out there every snap.
Let's put you in specific snaps and let's you know,
let's try to make you work that way. That's what
I would be doing. Uh and quite frank, I think
that could really be interesting. So you have depth, You
have players who can play and at least one star
with Rousseau as long as he stays healthy, and they
can rush into interior as well. At Oliver and Dakwan
Jones definitely can can do both aspects of the interior stuff.

(01:08:46):
Larry Ogan, Joe Be, Dwayne Carter as well, So there
is some uh they even you know, they drafted T J.
Sanders in the second round to hopefully help them out
there as well. Yeah, I mean this is this is
Tier twos for past rush and run run defense. This
is a on paper, I think, a very good defense.

(01:09:07):
The only question you might have is where are they
like perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
At Nothing necessarily feels perfect except for like, Russell is
a very very good player, so I really like him.
I agree with you. It definitely feels like if they
can keep Joey Bosa on ice as much as possible,
Joey Bosa the last three years, like even like the
advanced numbers probably weren't as good as like peak Joey
Bosa in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty ish, but like he

(01:09:34):
was still good when he was on the field, He
just wasn't on the field enough. So I think you're
excited about that if you can keep them in specific situations,
specific spots, I think he can be very impactful player
next to Russo. And then like like it's another one
where it's like if you get anything out of Joey Bosa,
it's a bonus, like Landon Jackson and a j Apineza

(01:09:55):
having to play is not the worst case scenario for
this team, So they got options there, and they're good
at linebacker, and they're good in the interior defensive line.
So there are six really good players, and Joey Bilsa
makes it potentially seven really good players.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Yeah, Kyle, there's a lot of good players on this
Bill's roster. I'm projecting fourteen and three for this team,
which ties the Ravens for the highest projection that I
have so far. So once again, Ravens, Chiefs, and Bills
are my top three teams in the AFC. It once
again feels like it is going to be those three
teams competing at the end of the season like it

(01:10:32):
has been. Seventy six percent say the Bills will win
this division second most, only two percentage points behind the Texans,
and again, Texans might not have had the competition that
even this not incredible division has, so that's a big factor.
But yeah, excuse me, I mean again, my take on
the Bills is everyone's take on the Bills. They could

(01:10:53):
be really good? Could this be the year? I actually
am buying into it more this year than I have
in previous years because of this, you know, the Max
Harrison question.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Yeah, I really liked the team last year. I was
buying in when it seemed like everyone was selling, and
they performed my expectations. I think throughout and I think
they got better this off season. So I think if
you're not picking one of those three teams to win
the AFC, you are either a home or for your
favorite team or trying to be different, right, Like, Yeah,

(01:11:23):
it just feels absurd to not pick one of those
three teams at this point. This team is loaded, just
like the Ravens, just like the Chiefs. It's it's going
to be the battle, and you know, the Chiefs clearly
have the upper hand in January. We continue to see
them come up in those big games. But you know,
anything is possible. Every year can be a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah. Absolutely, so It's it's interesting to see every every
everything can be different, except for uh, in January, the
Chiefs will win.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yeah, we'll see him in the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Yeah it's a guy, but it'll be fun. It's fun
to do a whole ready for this whole season where
we're like, oh, this the bill, and then you know,
Super Bowl happens and how did it happen? Again? Can
you believe those calls that win against the Bills that
Chiefs got, that'll be we're doing it again.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Yeah. So we got Chiefs Eagles last year. I mean,
we sticking with the trend. We're making all these predictions.
It's gonna end up Chiefs forty nine ers this year.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yeah, I think. I think, So, what would be the
worst matchup for US? I think it's just Chiefs Eagles again, right,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Wouldn't it be kind of interesting the grudge match the
winner takes all, like the we get the thriller Manila
vibes for the NFL where it's the third round between
these two teams. We haven't really seen that in the
NFL like we've seen it in a lot of other sports.
You know, you talk about Cavaliers, Warriors, you talk about
you may not get into baseball as much because there's
just so much variance. But like, you know, we got
it with like Edmonton Florida this year with the rematch,

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and like, I think people would be really kind of
I think some fans would be like, oh, this is boring,
but like I think the the third round between those
two teams would be pretty interesting. Yeah, I think, Yeah,
Kansas City, San Francisco would be a lot worse, even
though I don't think San Francisco is really a good
tender this year, but like that would be the one
where it's like, okay, Chiefs feed him twice, we don't

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need it a third time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Yeah, yeah, I guess so, I don't know. Uh, it's weird. Yeah,
when's the last time we've had a rematch? Was it
the h two.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Teams playing each other three times?

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Or I just mean back in back to back years
it was the Broncos. Uh where did they have in
like the nineties have something like that? I forget, but oh, I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Think we had a Broncos Packer. No, I could be that's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I think that sounds right. I think that might have happened.
But uh, I think it might be like the Packers
won the first time and the Broncos won a second
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
But uh, yeah, I don't know the Patriots and then
I think they've played him twice or something like that.
But it could have been. Yeah, I don't know. I
would have to go back and look at it. I'm
sure I think the Bills and Cowboys played a couple
of times if I remember correctly, but like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, the Bills and Cobbleys played
each other back to back. Guess who won those Super Bowls?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Sorry Bills fans.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Yeah, yeah, but we'll see. Maybe this is the year, Kyle.
We are done with the AFC. We have half white
finished half of the previews. Next week six pm Eastern,
we'll be doing the NFC North because we want to
end with the South there, so NFC North talking about
that'll be a great division to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
NFC North is absolutely exciting. I'm excited to talk about
all four of those teams. I can do it right
now if you want, but yeah, I'm very excited for
that podcast. I think that's going to be electric stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Okay, let's do it right now, let's do it the
double Show. I think I'm okay actually, okay, okay, thank
you everybody for watching, Kyle. Do you have any other
final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Uh no, No, I think we're good and m'll be
trade deadline coming up. We'll see what happens there. Kind
of just waiting for that to see, Like that's kind
of when baseball, I feel like, really flips into gear
for the casuals, when it kind of has their ross
set and you have that two month kind of crash
course for the playoffs. Like Red Sox are losing some
games out of the break, but after the deadline, I
get really excited and not excited even though you know,

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I've been watching a lot of these games.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Yeah it should be and there's no other sports, so
it's like Baseball's like like the the the thing right now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Yeah, it's the thing to watch. And it's been a
very good season, to be fair, I've enjoyed watching this
Red Sox team for the most part. They they lose
in the dumbest ways possible, like a catcher's interference. But like, yeah,
I think, uh, once this team, you know, to see
how they address started pitching and all that, I think
it could be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Yeah, and the race have been one of the streakiest
tam I've ever seen in my life. They they one
one one month, they look like they're gonna win the
World Series. Next month, they look like they're you know,
they're they're often White Sox like eleven to two the
other day.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah, it's weird, Like I just don't know how to
feel about your team, Like I feel like there's not
enough bite there, but at the same time, like this
is probably the best lineup you guys have had since
like the Longorea days.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Yeah, I know, I and that's that's why I was
gonna excited, because I do love this lineup and I
think we usually I mean, we didn't have the year
after he went to the World Series, we had a
really good lineup. That's when we lost to you guys
actually in the divisional round. But then we didn't have pitching.
So it feels we can never get everything at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yeah, and your pitching like kind of baffles me this year,
like kind of never had Shane Boss feels all over
the place, like he's either awesome or like can't throw
strikes and TODs Bradley just feels like he's like a
year away from being like a star.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Yeah. I thought it's just gonna be ready to seear,
and it just that hasn't happened either.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, he's been fine. It just feels like he's almost
It just feels like he needs more reps, honest. Yeah,
and then I forget who the other guy you have
is that, Oh, Pepio is good, and then Rasfistin's good,
but he rast Finston's sick, but like he's like an opener.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Now, yeah, he can't. Every every game goes like three
or four innings, but he's awesome. Like they never get
the brunts.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Yeah, I don't. I don't get the I don't get
what's going on there. I wonder if it's just like
trying to keep the innings limit. I don't know, but
it's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yeah, and McLean Hank could come back. That will be fun.
But yeah, it's it's interesting. I hope I help both
the Red Socks and Rays make it and the Yankees don't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, who wants the Yankees?

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Yeah, that's that could be interesting. Uh, Kyle, Uh, I
guess that's it. Thank you everybody for watching. Uh not
a lot of people stuck around for the baseball top
have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Yeah I could, I could see that. It's okay, thank you,
thank you for tuning in regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Yeah, we appreciate it. We will see you. We will
be back six pm Eastern next week. Be on the
lookout for that Kyle next week. We gotta you know
on our podcast that we do next week, it'll be
you know, shortly after that what the next day we
will be doing a I will be covering a preseason game.
An actual football game. We're only a little over a
week away.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
We're almost there, almost to the end of the off season.
I think people are starting to get a little more
excited for the season too, so we're we're excited to
talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Yes, again, thank you everybody for watching we do it
or listening. We do appreciate it. Uh did I happen?
Did you do the plugs?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Yes, of course. Again if you if you listen to
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Thank you? And until next Uh how do I sign
off here? I think I would one. Until next time,
have a good one. Yes, I got forgot what you

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wanted to go. Until next time, have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Peace,