AFC North 2025 Preview

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the On
the Sideline podcast of Jackson and Kyle. I am Jackson,
and I'm joined here as always by the man Kyle.
I forgot to do an intro. I'm rusty. I forgot
to come up with I'm joining here as always by Kyle.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Kyle. How's it going.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm doing great. Uh yeah, I mean a couple of
weeks off, you'll lose your touch. It's okay. I think
I've lost my touch here a little bit too, but
uh yeah, I'm good. How are you doing, man? How
is your trip?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm doing doing well.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I I quickly learned that, uh, seventy eight degrees fahrenheit
in the UK is very different than seventy eight degrees
fahrenheit in the US.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
They they're not built for any type of heat whatsoever.
So it was actually very hot. Uh but yeah, I
had Uh it was.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
It was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's fun to be traveling things I don't I couldn't
get They called the train system the tube. I got
that wrong. Like every time I kept calling it the
train or whatever. That's just that's my brain would not
call that a tube.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, I mean they should know what you're saying when
you mean train, so you'll be okay. Yeah, I mean
it's a great time. I love that area. Going back
next month myself, so yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's, it's, it's it was. It was
a great time. The restaurant thing also confused me, like
how do you order? And I just I didn't realize that,
Like they're just like like you can just walk up
to the counter and pay if you want to. It's
it's that was that whole process confusing.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Hey, as long as you got the food, that's all
that matters.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, I think yeah, two mean subway trains are still training.
It's all confusing, and then there's like to try to
figure out like the UK which is everything, and then
there's Great Britain and also England and I'm trying, but
I I just hang it on there.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah. Yeah, you know, you probably needed to do some
reading before you got there.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
It sounded like maybe perhaps perhaps Kyle, uh, we we
are here. We have revived at the preview version section
of our show, or for the next couple of months,
and we're gonna have to work around some scheduling conflicts.
But for the next couple of months, we will be
previewing each division heading up to the twenty twenty five

(02:48):
NFL season. Kyle, it's always fun to do these.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, I mean everyone gets mad where we rank their team,
unlist their first you know, this is the this is
the time for optimism. I've been our resident Panthers fan.
I'm not sure if he's listening today, he is optimistic
about his team next season. Even you know, maybe Saints
fans have found a way to be optimistic about next season. So,

(03:11):
you know, everybody from the top to the bottom. I
can't imagine too many Browns fans being excited. But you know,
we're going to talk about you too today and we'll
see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I think there's two teams maybe that aren't excited. But
I would say, again, that's the great thing about football.
There's probably thirty teams where there are legitimate fans saying,
like we're gonna make the playoffs this year, like that's
that's kind of it's it's the sport of hope.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's why it's so popular.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, I mean, the ball can bounce a couple of
ways for any team, maybe not Cleveland, but a lot of.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Themes yeah, okay, well a lot of this is towards
Cleveland already.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Kyle.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Let's explain what we're gonna do here. So, as always
you have come at least we don't talk about beforehand.
I'm assuming that you have listed the divisions and also
will have the list of where you have these teams ranked.
That's how we will go through each team. I have
then given a pier grade from tier one to tier five,
tier one being the best, five being the worst for

(04:06):
each positional category for each of these teams, and then
we will go through and talk about, you know, at
the end, for each team what we expect from them
this season. Does all that sound good?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yes, that sounds good. I did my homework. I came
a little bit prepared. The minimum amount of homework required
for me outside of watching games on Sundays, is ranking
these divisions. So I did that. You're welcome. You're welcome,
chat and yeah, let's get started.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Okay, let's just get into it, Kyle.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Starting off with number four on your list, I think
I know where you're going with this.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, I kind of teased it a little bit, but yeah,
I think this is a this is a division that
I think the three teams at the top. You can
make a case for all of them to win the division.
In a way, I think there's one clear cut favorite.
If you want to be you know, risky, you could
pick the other two teams for sure. There should be
borderline playoff teams. One team is at the bottom, though,

(05:04):
So that is why this team is honestly holding down
this division. That's why I have at the fifth ranked
division in football this season. The divisions at the top
are really good heading into this next year, so that
plays a part in it. But yeah, I think this
team's gonna stink. I think they have a first round pick,
number one overall pick opportunity here and that's the Cleveland Browns.

(05:24):
Let's not bury the lead here. The Browns have some issues.
They've changed a lot. They still have Miles Garrett. Miles
Garrett threatened to trade and then they offered him a
whole lot of money and he said, that's a whole
lot of money. Okay, I'll do that. Deshaun Watson is
one of the most highest paid quarterbacks and he's not
playing this year or probably not ever. Again, they got

(05:45):
some holes across the roster because of it, and yeah,
I think this team's gonna struggle and it's gonna take
a miracle. I think to do a lot with this team.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, not exactly a hot take. With the Browns at four,
we have, you know, two playoff teams from last year
in this division, another team that was the eight seed,
which is one spot shy of the playoffs. Uh, and
then the Browns who were bad and we expect them
to be bad again this year.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Well but actually, before we just get too much into
the Browns, you've said that you wanted, you said you
had them at five. The division at five, that's a
little surprise to me. I feel like I usually we
think of the AFC North as one of the best,
if not you know, second best division in football.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I mean, look, I think I think that there's three
really strong divisions, and you can make a debate for
four and five. For me, I don't know if you
want me to reveal the list or just wait on reveal.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I'm just surprised.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, I just think that. I just think that
the the NFL NFL just feels deep right now. You know,
there's a couple of bad divisions, and then I think
you can make a case for almost all the other ones,
and I think that the ones at the top are
really strong, and then the AFC North once again. A
lot of this is the Browns carrying it down. Have
a big part and play in this division going down

(06:57):
a little bit in the rankings.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
For me, interesting how we always talk about the two
most important people in the organization are the head coach
and quarterback. Kevin Stefanski is a Tier three head coach
for me. I think he's there's good things that he does.
I don't hold the lack of success last year on him,
but also I don't know if I fully buy into
you know, two time Coach of the Year. I don't

(07:18):
know if I ever thought that he was great either
of those years. But that's that's some nice things. The
quarterback situation, though, I can't just pick one guy because
I don't know who the guy is, right. You have
several players who we could go. Joe Flacco is currently
listed as the starter, but you have Kenny Pickett, Shdr Sanders,
Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I don't know what to make of this.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
I'm not expecting much though this is obviously a Tier
five quarterback room as of today.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, I mean, you could you could pick any of
these quarterbacks if you want. This is still probably the
thirty first best quarterback situation in the league at best
and maybe thirty second at worst. So yeah, so I mean,
you can pick any of these guys that's still in
that situation, So that's not good. And yeah, I mean, look,
I like Stefanski for what he is, Like I don't

(08:04):
think he's like amazing, but at the same time, like,
you know, I don't want to say it's like fake
that he won those Coach of the Year awards. I
think he's done a good job when he's had good teams,
and I think he's gotten the best out of some players,
especially on the offensive side of the ball. But you know,
he was kind of given a raw deal with this.
You know, they they gave a two hundred and fifty
million dollar contract to a quarterback who isn't playing currently

(08:27):
and then isn't good when he plays. You know, I
don't know, you know, you could probably you can mess
together the greatest coaches of all time, and I'm not
sure they're making that situation worse with what they were
getting at the quarterback position. I think Stefanski has done
a good job when he's had the personnel to succeed
and he's gotten the best out of a lot of players,
and I just don't know if you can get the
best when you're getting that sort of performance under center.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Outside of that, there are some some question marks as well.
I mean, the offensive line's interesting. So you have Jack Conklin,
who we were able to see eight good snaps from
Jack Conklin last year. I don't know if he's prime
Jack Conklin, but he's still a player at right tackle.
Dewan Jones came in and played about five hundred snaps
and wasn't great last year. He do think they'll start

(09:10):
him if he can play better. It should be okay.
With an interia of Joel Potonio Wyatt Teller and Ethan Pocket,
so it's off of the line. It's just played together
a ton. But I do think what the question marks
about Dwan Jones, and I just think John would have
gotten a little bit older. I'm still gonna go with
Tier three for now, but it's closer to Tier two
and than Tier four.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'd agree with that. I do think
they improved upon this group, but at the same time,
like there was a couple of years there where this
offensive line was really humming and we really liked this group.
They dealt with some pretty brutal injuries, some guys aging
out a little bit, and that hasn't really helped. And like,
I don't know, I think just overall, like you could
see guys like what if Teller starts to slow down,
what if Conklin starts to slow down and then all

(09:54):
of a sudden, this group slips a little bit. I
think that's also in play too, to where they could
slip back because those are those are really important guys.
And then they need good left tackle play. I mean,
it just comes as simple as that. That's gonna be
the big part of this team.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, and finally to roun up the offense, let's do
to the weapons. So you have Jerome Ford, who I
like at the running back position. They also drafted quinch
On Judkins, so they do have some running back pieces.
Now again, we need quished on quinch On Junkins as
a rookie to come in and play decent snaps. We'll
see how that goes. I'm wanting to go tier three

(10:28):
running back room for them. The receiving core though, I
just have questions. I mean, this is a team that
I think legitimately is gonna have. Like just looking at
the depth chart on our lads dot Com, which is
not by any means official, Deontay Johnson's listed as wide
receiver too, Like that's not great right now. Granted, Jerry
Judy I think had a great season last year. I expect,

(10:50):
you know, Dave, that contract got made fun about the time,
largely because it was kind of reported weirdly that made
us think it was higher than it was. But still, uh,
you know, he's been a good But then it's like, Okay,
who else is really going to be getting meaningful snap series?
We're getting go Cedric Tillman breakout season, Like there's some
there's some question marks here at the wide receiver positions.

(11:11):
So it's a Tier five receiving room for me.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think Judy did a
lot for his reputation last year. I thought he was
fantastic at times. And when they put Jamison, I thought
he was just like borderline terrific, right, like that was
that was high level receiver one category kind of stuff.
I thought he was really good down the stretch. I
liken Djuku too, at the tight end spot. I think
those are both good players for their positions. But at

(11:36):
the same time, like if I were to say, like, okay,
rank ranked the top two pass catchers for each team,
and I gave you Jerry, Judy and David and Juku,
that's probably a bottom tier level and then the secondary
weapons for this team are even worse. So I don't
love all that. I think Jerome Ford's a pretty good
receiving back. He's an okay, like on the groundback. They're

(11:58):
gonna hope to get some stuff out of quinch On Unkins,
who was a bit of a tank in college. So
I guess that makes sense. But I think even tier
three is a little bit optimistic, honestly. So we'll see
how the skill position group looks, but it does definitely
you know that that is the big problem when you're
looking at this Cleveland team is you know, we have
tier five quarterback play, Tier five receiver play. There's just

(12:19):
not a lot of teams that are gonna survive that.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, for the defense, in some ways you could argue
this is better, but there is some questions. I mean,
this secondary, which again, it's weird how the Browns, despite
having very large variances these past couple of years don't
have that much roster turnover in that stretch, Like it
just seems like guys just either play better or worse.
In the secondary is probably the best example of that,
with like Denzel Ward, Greg Newsom, and Martin Emerson. It's like,

(12:44):
you know, all young players but have played together for
a few years now and it just had wildly inconsistent
seasons all of them have. You also have, for you know,
the safeties of Ronnie Hackman, Junior, Rayshawn Jenkins, Demonte Cazi,
Grant dal Pit, So you know, Delpit's probably the you know,
I think they'll get good enough safety play with those

(13:05):
four guys in some combination, but ultimately the again, the
corner situation is just a question for me. It's it's
once again gonna be a Tier three and I could
see it being tier one. I could see it being
Tier four, yeah, because I's spend both for that.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Basically, Denzel Award's got to be the weirdest, like really
really good player in the league, right because there are
so many receivers that just talk about how good he
is and how tough he is to go up against.
But then also like you just see a bunch of
games where he gets burnt and I can't tell if
it's a hymn thing or if it's a like a
is it a personnel thing around him? I just don't
I don't get it sometimes. But yeah, I mean, like

(13:40):
I still think he's good. But at the same time,
like you said, Newsom's inconsistent, Emerson is not very good.
Del Pits inconsistent. Casey, We'll see how he does at
the free safety spot. And then like, look, I mean
they're they're gonna have a rookie linebacker in there as well.
Then Jordan Hicks is good, but like it's a tough
coverage unit overall, it's not something I'm very optimistic about.
This team's built from the.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Front, yeah, and even the front like, so there's some
great front seven players in the mix here. I think,
uh the uh, you know, for first just the linebacker
tandem of j ok uh and then Jordan Hicks and
Devin Bush. Jerome Baker is also there to have depth,
which is always good, uh for for linebackers or pretty position. Obviously,

(14:23):
Miles Garrett is the headliner, and then of course they
drafted Mason Graham, who again twenty one years old. How
how quickly will he play? Well, we'll see, but should
be a good player the uh you know the rest here.
I also think they have a good rest of the
interior shelby Uh Harris and Bleak Collins. My question is
the other edge position of is it gonna be? Is

(14:44):
Julian Laguara going to give us meaningful snaps? Is Joe
try and Joyinka gonna finally step up? PFF was a
big fan of Isaiah mcguri last year, But we'll see,
because only had about four hundred snaps. Who's that extra
interior guy. I'll go Tier two pass rush and run
defense for this team, but I can't go Tier one

(15:05):
unless you're complete. And I do have that question mark.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, they're not complete, but when you have Miles Garrett
like that makes up for a lot of incompleteness. Right,
That's why it's Tier two. I mean it's it's maybe
the best most dominant defensive player in the league at times,
and so yeah, I think that makes up for a
lot of the issues they have. But there are issues
there nonetheless still, And like you said, Mason Graham, I

(15:29):
think it's a good draft pick. I think he is
someone they needed. But we've seen defensive tackles take a
lot of time to adapt to the NFL, so it
could take a year or two for him to really
hone in his skills. But like I said, you have
Miles Garrett, and Miles Garrett is a long way to
fixing a lot of issues.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, So ultimately I have the Cleveland Browns finishing five
and twelve is my projection here. I do think there
is some talent and plus I just think, like you know,
teams are gonna win games. They do have a decent defense.
The defense should be able to keep them and some
games win them a game or two that they had
no but just being in decent offensive line, as I said,
decent running game. Okay, head coach, But I think the

(16:07):
biggest question that we just have is the quarterback play
right and what are we getting out of it? Like
where who do you think is gonna like how do
you think this is gonna go?

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, I'm tired of seeing those graphics of everybody's completion
percentage in training camp and OTAs, right, Like, yeah, I
don't need to see that. You know, shad Or Sanders
went eight for ten in OTA, so that's cool. I'm
good there. So I need to see anything on the
field right Like, I can't say like Shado or Sanders

(16:38):
are dyling, Gayriel is gonna play for this team when
we haven't seen it. I'm not gonna trust ota completion
percentage graphics. I need to see some preseason games before
I bet on it. Like if I if I were
to have to bet right now, I'm probably betting Kenny
Picker or Joe Flacco is gonna start for this team
next year. So but you know, I want to see
a little bit more time. I want to hear more

(16:59):
from the coaching staff about what they're looking at for
these teams, and yeah, I just think that they I
need a little bit more from that group overall and
hear more and watch more before I can really commit
to anything. If it works out, If Gabriel or Sanders
is good, that's fantastic for Cleveland. They've they've they've caught
lightning in a bottle there. They got incredibly lucky. That's

(17:19):
a fortunate situation, and you want to develop one of
those guys. And it's still gonna be really tough when
you have Watson on the payroll. But I need to
see that happen. First. They are two fifth round quarterbacks
for a reason, so it's gonna take a little bit
of time. And I need to see footage of I
need to see actual footage with these guys in n
NFL games.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
It just feel though, like if it is Picket or
Flacco and there you know the Browns are are one
and eight or whatever, like that doesn't feel At a
certain point, Browns fans are gonna say, can we just
see one of these young guys? Like granted, I mean
last year everyone kept saying can we get rid of
the John Watson And they wouldn't do it until he
got injured, So maybe they just don't care. But like
at a certain point, like the fans are gonna get frustrated.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
I mean, yeah, I mean if I were to bet,
if I were to bet on it right now, I
would bet one of these both of them play this year. Okay,
I think they're gonna try and see what both of
them look like, because I think at least one does. Yeah,
I mean, if the first guy comes in it is awesome,
then yeah he's gonna keep playing.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
But like.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
It'd be funny if like by week nine. They're doing
like a dual quarterback thing. They're just trading trading possessions,
like switching off possessions like it's a high school team
or something like that, and just like, yeah, let's get
these both reps and see what the tape looks like.
That would be pretty funny. But uh yeah, I mean
I wouldn't be surprised if they both played this season
at some point, just to see if they can get

(18:42):
some tape on these guys and see what they're working with.
But yeah, I think at the start of the season,
I think it's gonna be one of flack or pick it.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Let me throw one other thing at you, Kyle. I
think there's a non zero chance that we still see
to Sean Watson play this year. He's not gonna he's
not healthy to start, but he should be healthy around
midway through the season. Like we know, the Browns are
weird about that whole contract and everything, like last year
they wouldn't move off of him. I don't think there
was a non zero chance that he plays next year.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, it's possible. I think the biggest issue is like
like people just say to cut him and all that,
Like the number doesn't work for you to just cut like.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's just yeah, you kind of have to keep them.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, you just you just you know, send them on
vacation or whatever. That's probably the better solution than actually
just cutting the contract and dealing with that dead money. So,
but I don't know, man Like, if they play him,
I wouldn't be shocked, but I wouldn't like it.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Right, we all we're all just ready to move on.
But I don't know if Cleveland is the same.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Kyle.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
So, I did the poll that I always do for
these Do you want to guess how what percentage of
people predicted the Cleveland Browns to win the AFC norm
you undershot it. Three percent said the Cleveland Browns will
win the AFC North.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
I guess there are some optimistic fans. What do I know?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, clearly clearly who's who's doing that? That must have
been someone who hit the wrong button.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, yeah, that could be it too. Yeah, I guess
they miss misread it for Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I think so, Uh, Kyle, let's maybe talk about Cincinnati.
They finished third in the division last year. I do
think that this is interesting. I think you could go
several different ways with this pick. I think Kyle number three.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Who do you? Who do you?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Are you predicting to finished third in the division in
twenty twenty five?

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Uh, I don't like picking this. I've gone back and forth.
I still feel like I'm going back and forth in
my head on this. One team had a pretty good offseason.
I think overall we can talk about that in the
second because obviously with some recent news, one team I
think was a little bit more dormant big shocker for
the Bengals in the offseason, So I think that is

(20:54):
something also to discuss because there was some holes. But
I think I can't go all of last season and
keeps saying that they were like the unluckiest team in
the league and had some unfortunate losses and then say like, oh,
they're still going to finish third. So I'm picking the
Pittsburgh Steelers to finish third. I think think they did
some good things to get better. I think that they
have interesting pieces here. That being said, as I think

(21:20):
there's a potential for Aaron Rodgers to be an upgrade
at this team. For this team, I don't really know
if it's enough of an upgrade to make a difference
when the other two quarterbacks Senior Division are absolute superstars
and MVP candidates. So I have the Steelers finishing third,
and I do think that is a difference for me.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, I mean I get it. I think it's a
real debate between two and three for me. But I.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Completely can understand why the Steelers would be three. I
can also understand why AB two ultimately the head coach
quarterback stuff well, Mike tom Win, I've used used to
be a staple as a Tier one guy. I think
of doct him to Tier two at this point. I
still think he's great. He gets his team very prepared.
There's a lot of good stuff, but we do ultimately
need to see him play better after they win their

(22:09):
tenth game of the season, right and then for for
Aaron Rodgers, I have him as Tier three right now.
I think he's still a good quarterback on the field.
Like I watch him play and I see good quarterback play.
I even went back and making a film study on it.
So I went back and watched him of his tape
and like, there's good stuff there. The communications miscommunications were
crazy last year. It happened all the time. Like you

(22:30):
have to think part of that is on him, But
like he can still move well enough. He can maybe
not as well as he used to, but he can
still move well enough. He's not prime Aaron Rodgers, but
I think he's still solid. But again, with Rogers, it's
never just about his quarterback play. It's about the other
stuff around him too.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, it is definitely the other stuff around him. How
much is he engaged? I think he's already said that
this is probably going to be his last season. That
doesn't help for me either, And I mean, quite frankly,
like he had better receivers last year than he's gonna
have this year. Like you could say that Metcalf is
a true addition to this team, and he is a
great receiver and all that kind of stuff he is,
but the depth, you know, they had multiple really good

(23:06):
options on that team last year, including guys they brought
in for Aaron Rodgers. So I think that's a huge
part of it. And like I'm interested to see how
this all is gonna look, honestly, Like I think, you know,
Mike Tomlin is a guy who's pretty hard headed and
pretty dedicated to his decisions. He's dealing with the guy
with Aaron Rodgers, who you know hasn't got along. It

(23:26):
seems like with everybody that he's worked with, as far
as the coaching staff goes, and the thing will hack
it aside. And then not only that, you have the
whole Arthur Smith element to this where how many years
do we have Arthur Smith in Atlanta not wanting to
change anything about his football team? Right, Like he's refusing
to change his system. He had his scheme for all
those years. Everyone says, you need to get Kyle Pits

(23:47):
the ball more, all that kind of stuff. Arthur Smith's
still gonna run his offense. He didn't care about changing
any of that. I don't think Aaron Rodgers is built
to run the Arthur Smith offense. That's a lot of
long play action plays, a lot of movement for a
you know, forty year old quarterback. I don't even remember
how old he is at this point, forty zero, forty
one year old quarterback. Like, how is he gonna like
being in that offense and being with his coaching staff

(24:09):
and working in a scheme that isn't his natural scheme?
Isn't his natural thing? Is Arthur Smith a guy who
was in the history of this uh, the history of
his coaching career not changed going to change, or as
Aaron Rodgers, someone who's not changed in the history of
his career, going to change. How is that going to
look on the football field.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's weird, It's it's a it's a weird fit. It's
a bizarre situation. I'm surprised. I'm quite frank, I'm surprised
Arthur Smith made it with the Aaron Rodgers think. I'm
surprised that wasn't an Aaron Rodgers casualty, right, because that
feels like if this was the Jets, like he would
have been caught there right like that when Rogers came aboard.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean if he if he got what
he wanted, he would have probably had Nathaniel Ackitten here
and Alan Lazard's on the team somewhere.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Right right, Uh, which maybe is a good thing. Maybe
that shows that he's buying in a little bit for
the weapons.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah. DK mack Cop I like DK back Cup.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I think the is probably an underrated player compared to
what other people talk about.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
He's very good. He's a number one wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Outside of that, though, again it's Calvin Austin the third,
it's Robert Woods, Ben's Garnic uh So there you go. Uh,
I think we need a Roman Wilson h step up.
If the Steelers are gonna have a good receiving cores
that I have very good tight ends, Pat Fyre move
and Jonas Smith, who was really good last year. Not
to mention, Darnold Washington's still in the mix, So there's
there's some weapons here. This is not a horrible receiving

(25:29):
the room. I don't know if it's a great one though.
I think I'm in between tier four and tier three.
But you always kind of got to be harsh on
receiving rooms because they always just feel better than they
actually are. So I'm gonna just stay with tier four.
I'll stay tier three. Actually, I'm okay with tier three.
I think it's lower tier three. And then for the
for the running back of room, again, I don't think

(25:49):
it's great, Jayleen Warren. They have Caleb Johnson, who I
wasn't crazy about. They spent a third round pick on him.
We'll see if he can do anything. So I'll say
tier three receiving room, tier four running back room.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, I agree with everything you just said. I mean,
like Jalen Warren was like the fantasy guy that like
the in the nose would be like, oh, watch out
for Jalen Warren taking touches, and it just felt like
he never took enough touches to actually be interesting. So
I'm curious to see how that's gonna work. And I
wasn't the biggest Nachi Harris fan. I think people who

(26:20):
have listened to the podcast would know that. However, Like
it is weird that he left right after you know,
they let him go right after his best season with
the Steelers. I thought it was his best season as
a runner last year. I thought he did a really
good job of churning out some tough yards with a
less than ideal situation. And I thought he did pretty
good at times last season. So they're gonna have to

(26:41):
replace that some way, if it's Johnson or something else.
So I think that's gonna be a tough spot. And
you know, I agree with you. I like DK METCF two.
I talked a lot about him last season, and it
wasn't great for him. I don't think it was that
great of a season for him, and he is outplayed
by his own teammate Jackson Smith and Jigba, and I

(27:03):
think he had a down year. Was all this situations
that was going on apparently behind the scenes to the
point where he wants this trade. Was that playing a
part in it? I have no idea. Could he have
a better season, I would absolutely see it. I think
he's super talented, but I do want to see a
better season from him. But he is better. He is
better than what they had last season. Like, he is
an upgrade over George Pickens for me. He's a more

(27:24):
consistent option still, even after that down season.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, it would have been nice to see him with
both him and George Pickens though, I feel like, but yes,
I do agree. It would also be fun if the
Steelers then got to be a wide receiver who didn't
who then fell off once he joined them, just to
kind of see see how they feel, how it feels
for them on the other side.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, it'd be paid back there. So yeah, you know,
I keep looking at this. There is a little bit
more depth there, like John Smith back in Arthur Smith's
scheme too, Like that's good for him, I guess, although
he was good in Miami last season. Yeah, Friar Muth
is pretty reliable at that spot. I kind of like
Calvin Austin too, Like it seemed like whenever.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Calvin Austin three.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, thanks, Yeah, it just feels like whenever they whenever
they had a big game, like he was making a
big catch up for the middle, stuff like that. So
I think he is a nice step option too, but
it's nothing that really like, you know, there's no DeVante
Adams number two receiver like Rogers had last season, and
that's what I'm worried about.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, offensive line, which was a big talking point heading
into last year with the Jets with Rodgers. So you
have for the interior, Zach Frazier a good center. You
have Isaac Simalo, the former Philadelphia Eagles player, is a
good guard, Mason McCormick who should an effective guard for them.
Interior is fine. The tackles, though, you have Choy Fontanu,

(28:44):
who was a draft pick. He was a first round
pick from not his most recent draft, but the draft prior. However,
he got injured essentially right away, wasn't able to play much,
so he's still a complete question mark. Roderick Jones was
another player who he was a pick from uh I
guess from now three drafts ago, who last year there

(29:05):
was this weird thing where he didn't start right away,
and then he ory it was two years ago where
he didn't start right away. Uh, and then he came
in and played a game and then immediately like Jayalen
Mooren broke off a ninety yard touchdown that had nothing
to do with Jones, and then everyone's like, wow, look
at the rushing stats of Roger Jones out there compared
to before. It's like, I don't really know if that
was the reason why. Uh, I don't know, you know,

(29:27):
I don't know. It's not not a player I think
is a dominant tackle here. I'm concerned about the tackle situation.
It's Tier four because of that.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, the tackle situation's tough. I mean, if those if
those two kids play better, then obviously this could be
much better. Because those were highly drafted players, they're both
first round picks. You're optimistic that gets better. There is
an opportunity for it. But like again, you know, you
look at how much Rogers struggled with like holding. You know,
one of the things that Rogers is so good at

(29:54):
his peak, which is like extending plays and holding onto
the ball and making those big toes downfield. M hm,
And he just didn't want to do that last season.
That was probably the biggest drop off as far as
Aaron Rodgers games go, because he's still accurate with the
ball when he's in sync with his receivers, that kind
of thing he could still throw, but he's gonna have
to be willing to stand in the pocket, especially with

(30:15):
these tackles, And yeah, I think that that's gonna be
a big question. And I'm not even as convinced it
seems like in this interior as you are. I think
Samalo is a pretty good player, but I don't think
he's been the same guy since he's left Philadelphia. I
think you look at a guy like McCormick, I still
think that's kind of a question. Mark Frasier's rock solid.
I like him at that spot, but I think those
are big questions going into next season.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Still, Yeah, this is a one that you can talk
yourself into if you are a Steelers fan.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
But you're right.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I mean, even Rogers at his best, the narrative against him,
like the one kind of fair knock against him his
whole career has been he takes too many sacks. So
certainly at this point in his career, when he doesn't
have the capability, that's gonna be true.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah, So it's gonna be that's gonna be the biggest
hurdle for this team. Can they block from enough and
can they survive if he's not willing to stand in
the pocket and make throws which is twenty one, He's
not gonna want to take those hits.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yes, let's talk about the coverage. So first for linebackers,
who have Patrick Queen and Peyton Wilson for the say
you know secondary though it is a new look secondary.
They've added Darius Slay who's thirty four years old coming
off a good season, though jilln Ramsey, who's younger than
I think people realize. I think he's what he's thirty

(31:29):
years old, so that feels like he should he feels
a lot older than that, not always the years, just
the mileage. But coming off a very good season with
Miami on paper, that looks very good. With Joey Porter
Junior as kind of a backup option there the safeties,
though they do not have Miga Fitzpatrick as they shipped
him out of town. So with Deshaun Elliott and Juan
Thornhill currently slated as the starters, have some concerns about

(31:53):
the one Thornhill thing. Are we buying him at you know,
still again Stoney twenty nine? He could have a bounce
back year in a easier scheme possibly, but I don't know, Uh,
I think on paper this looks really good. I'm gonna
go Tier two. I can't go Tier one because it's
all theoretical at this point, but this feels like this

(32:14):
could be good.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, there's definitely a Tier one potential for this team
if thorn Hill or somebody else even just becomes like
replacement level, right, Like, they just can't be terrible because
everybody else in the secondary is pretty darn good or
it has talent like the Shaun Elliott. I mean, let's
just I mean, I'll just say that it is. Shaun
Elliott was better than Minka Fitzpatrick last year. He was

(32:35):
I think he was the better part of that secondary.
You bring a guy like Darius Slay, who at times
has played excellent football, especially last season, and yeah, I
think that's a really good tandem. And like, you know,
we we you know, just talking about that trade, like,
I don't know, people were I was pretty surprised that
they had to include Mika Fitzpatrick in the trade just
because of you know, Jalen Ramsey requested a trade, all

(32:57):
that kind of stuff. I think that plays a factory.
But if you're just telling me straight up, like Jaalen
Ramsey is a better player than Maka Fitzpatrick. To me,
I'm not the biggest makeup Fitzpatrick fan, but I think
he struggled last year. I think he's had some insistent moments.
I think Jalen Ramsey people don't like him because he's annoying,
and I get it, but like he's still a pretty
consistent top tier corner year after year after year, and

(33:18):
I don't really see that slowing down. And he's so
unique as a player still, even from back when he
was drafted, Like you could put Joey Porter junior on
the outside and put Ramsey in the slot and have
him do some funky things in there. He did that
in college. He's done that at his pro level, Like
you could do different things with Jayleen Ramsey. That makes
him so dynamic and a unique defense too. So I

(33:40):
just think that upgrade is worth it to me. So
I really like that group. I think there's Tier one
potential for sure, if not even best secondary in the league.
If they figure out that second safety position, because everybody
else in this group is rock solid.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, I agree, I completely agree.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think that you you kind of nailed it.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
There the you know, but but yeah, the one the
other concern is that you have to have is the
you know, Darious Slay thirty four years old, like that
that could go wrong.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
There is still the secondary thing of like secondary players
just have weird seasons, right, and that can still happen.
And even Sleigh himself has been a guy who said
inconsistent years even at his best at his prime, right,
so I could see that too. You know, Joey Porter Jr.
Is still a little inconsistent, still a little penalty happy.
Those are things that have to get better. But I

(34:29):
just think getting a star in Ramsey does help in
a lot of ways, Kyle.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
For this defensive line, you have t J. Watt and
Alex high Smith as the pass rushers. That's pretty good.
With Nick Herbig as a you know, rotational guy, You'll
take that. You know, Derek Carmon, a Keanu Benden, and
a guy named Cam Hayward heard of him, Kyle. This
is tier one run defense, Tier one pass rush.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, this is the best part of the team, right,
Like this is a fantastic group. You're really excited about this.
There's a reason this secondary is so expensive. You know,
this defense is so expensive. It's because this group's really good.
I like Peyton Wilson, I like Patrick Queen in the
linebacker spots. I like this pass rush duo. Obviously Watt
has to, you know, show up and be there. But

(35:16):
he is another one like Garrett where he's he's very
similar to Garrett, where like, if you had a bad
defense and you put T. J. Watton there, he's going
to make up for a lot of holes. The difference
is that TG Watt has very good players next one,
so that makes up for a lot of it too.
I'm curious to see how Derek Carmen wilks in year
one once again interior defensive lineman. It could take a
little bit of time. But he's also next to Keanu Benton.

(35:38):
Benton and a Hall of Famer, and Cameron Hayward, who
at thirty five last year was PFF's number two ranked
interior defensive lineman. The guy is just a freak man. Yeah,
Like he just continues to be fantastic. He's a like
I said, for surefire Hall of Famer for me, and Yeah,
I think that's a really good group in that front set.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, a lot of good here, Kyle.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I'm predicting this team to have a very good defense
as usual, and I think it will be better than
what we usually expect because I think they have better
corners there. I don't know how much better I'm expecting
this offense to be. I think it has potential to
you know, shoot through and take a step forward. I
also think there's a very real chance this stays about
the same, and as it turns out, I'm kind of

(36:21):
predicting the most likely outcome being it stays about the same.
I'm going ten and seven for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I
think they're a playoff caliber team. I don't know if
they're much more than that.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, it is interesting to see this team overall. Where
we talked about this offseason, where like I said, I
think Jalen Ramsey is an upgrade over Mika Fitzpatrick. I
think DK metcalf is an upgrade over George Pickens, and
I even think Aaron Rodgers could be an upgrade in
theory over Russell Wilson. But all of those streamers put together,
how much is the wins added value. It might be zero,
honestly like that, it still just feels like a lot

(36:52):
of marginal upgrades across the board where I think that
plays a factor in it. So yeah, I think ten
wins is fair. And then not to mention, you know,
you talked about this offense. I really do believe the
best thing that they had going for them last year
was letting h Russ just grip it and chuck it
at times. And that vertical passing offense where Calvin Austin's

(37:12):
running up the sleep seam, you had pickings on the
outside and all that kind of stuff. Aaron Rodgers isn't
going to take those same risks that Russell Wilson is.
Like he can throw deep ball, he's still good at it,
but like it's not the same as Russell Wilson, and
he's not gonna take those risks all the time. So
if you're taking away the best part of your offense
and changing it all together, and we've already said that

(37:34):
the quarterback and coach offensive coordinator do not really have
a scheme match here, I'm just curious what it's going
to look like, right, Like, how do how do all
these players look in this offense, like Calvin Austin's also
not a player who even though I like him, not
a player i'd really predict to be in an Aaron
Rodgers type of offense either. So how is that all
going to look and come together? I think it's I

(37:56):
have a lot of questions about the offense for next season,
for sure, not a sure.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Guess the percentage and guess the rank that the community
is guessing here. What did the fans think about the Steelers?

Speaker 3 (38:06):
I would guess it's second, and I'm gonna guess it's
like thirty eight percent.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Wow, you were correct about them being second. You were
incorrect about the percentage. Only thirteen percent? Have these Steelers
went in the division?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I guess that makes sense. Yeah, Baltimore's rightfully the runaway,
that makes sense. That's spoil.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Kyle. Who do you have finishing second in this division?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah? Look, I mean it's it's the Cincinnati mangles. I
cannot stay on this podcast all of last season. How
you know, we talk all the time about the one
score losses and how flukey it is and how unlucky
the Bengals were last season. And I still think if
they found a way to make the playoffs. They are
probably the third or fourth best team in the AFC.

(38:52):
I said all that over and over again last season,
that like, this team could have made a run to
the champion AFC Championship game if they just found a
way to make the playoffs. I can't say all that
and then pick him to finish third in the division
again this season, even though they still drive me crazy
because at Cincinnati and they're cheap and they don't do
this stuff, and they did absolutely nothing. They added orn
Bergs in the offseason. They still haven't figured out this

(39:13):
Trey Hendrickson thing, and yeah, I'm just I'm curious how
that's all going to look. I think that this still
might be one of the worst offensive lines in the league,
if not the worst one. All that kind of stuff.
But that being said, you have one of the best
quarterbacks in football. Who's going to be an MVP candidate.

(39:34):
And honestly, if this team found a way to win
ten freaking games last year, probably might have been MVP
last year. He was that freaking good. He was that good.
You have him. You have maybe the best wide receiver
in football, if not the second best wide receiver in football,
and Jamar Chase, who was just an absolute weapon last
season and just catches touchdowns for fun. You go and

(39:55):
pay t Higgins, who's this superstar receiver who's stuck in
the number two role. Who's awesome. You have all these pieces,
and I'm like, you know what, those guys are gonna
win a lot of games on their own. It's the
most important positions in the game. I think they're gonna
be sick in that way. They still have Trey Hendrickson
for now and as long as he's still in the
team to at least give this defense a little bit
of something. I think that Cincinnati can make the second

(40:17):
seed in this division, still make the playoffs and still
make a run to the super Bowl because their quarterback
and receivers are that freaking good.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
I mean, it's just this is just this shows how
much a quarterback matters, because there's so much issues with
this roster, but they have the quarterback. Kyle Joe Burrow
was fourth in MVP voting. Last year it was Lamar
was or, it was Allen one, Lamar two, take one three,
Joe Burrow four. His team didn't make the playoffs, and
he was fourth in MVP voting that that shows how

(40:46):
the kind of season he had. Obviously he's Tier one.
I have Zach Taylor's Tier three. Again, I do think
that he does do some nice things in terms of development,
But like you, I don't know. Tier three could be generous.
I haven't Tier four. I think I should do, because
like I do think he has improved a lot as
a head coach. There are still those things that drive
you crazy about him.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Though, still things that drive you crazy for sure. And
I mean, and again, like I don't even know who
to blame for this anymore? Is it the players? Is
I mean? Because it wasn't Joe Burrow this past season,
Like you got to show up Week one and two
because the difference in this team season. As we talked
about all those one score losses, you know, you could
talk about all the unfortunate things and losing to the
Ravens in those two games, losing in a couple of

(41:27):
those really tight ones, you know, last second field goals
and all that you lost to the stupid Patriots who
are one of the worst teams in football last year
in Week one because your team didn't show up and
you scored ten points against a team that was you know,
the third worst team in football last year. Yeah, that's
why he didn't make the playoffs. So yeah, you have
to show up week one. You have to show at

(41:48):
the beginning of the season. You have to be ready
to play because this team, as they learned last season
and it should be a lesson, this team can't afford
to give away games just because they're talented enough to
make up forward at the end of the season, because
they weren't talented enough to make up for or they
didn't make up for it at the end of last
season because the tiebreakers. You know, you have to go
in there and win football games at the beginning and
make it happen.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
I agree the the rest of the team too, I
just I didn't say so obviously. You know it's not
we talked about how much Joe Burrow matters, but it
is also t Higgins and Jamar Chase like that is
like the that three headed dragon.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
That that is an app And again to.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Anyone saying they shouldn't spend all their money on those guys,
look at what they're doing with the rest of their money.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Look at what they're doing with the rest.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Of their draft capital, I think they should probably just
keep at least keep those guys on the roster, is
my uh interpretation there, because even in the receiving corps
and you know, the running back stuff, there's not a
lot here. I mean it's Andre Osabas, who again did
some nice things, but he's not someone you ideally want
as a number three option. And I don't even know
who number four is. You do have Mike Koseki, who's

(42:51):
a solid player at the tight end position, but then
even in the the running back room, I mean you
have to have Chase Brown, who some people like some
people are are you know, uh not as sigh, And
I think he's heat solid. I like Chase Brown. I'm
not a Chase Brown stand but I think he does
nice things. I'll say tier three running back room, and
it's still tier one receiving room because of the top two.

(43:13):
But like there are some I would like another guy here.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I would definitely like another guy. But you know, they
have some depth in the backfield, like Smaghi p Ryan
comes back to he's not the number three back. He's
you know, he you know, was with this team obviously
with the Chiefs last few seasons. He comes in and
provides some stability as a blocker, pass catcher, those sort
of things, and Chase Brown's a pretty good runner, so
I don't hate that. Keep an eye on Jermaine Burden.

(43:40):
You have four catches last year. It was small sample size, rookie.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I think that there's I'm saying that just someone needs
to keep an eye on Jamain Burden, Like, can someone
make sure we're watching him?

Speaker 3 (43:50):
No, I think that there's something there. I think there is, Like,
I think he has talent, and you know, certainly has
certainly very small sample size, but I do think that
they're be something there for him to be a third
option for this team. But yeah, I mean, the fact
of the matter is that they have two of maybe
the top twenty players at their position and maybe the

(44:10):
first or second best player at their position on the
same team, and that plays a huge factor in their
pass catching group.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, it's they're gonna throw the ball well, even with
this offensive line, which, as you kind of brought up,
it's it's not great, not a great offensive line. Gammarius Mimms,
who just left that the eighteenth overall pick did not
live up to that billing. They paid Orlando Brown Junior
a lot of money he hasn't played great for them.
Ted Carreras is solid, you know. Cordell Vohlson isn't someone

(44:36):
you love, but ideally if he used your fifth best
offensive lineman, you're okay with that. The fact that he's
probably your third best offensive lineman is not ideal. Lucas
Patrick also, I guess you know he's a solid guard
as well. So like, even if they're good players are again,
it's thirty two year old Ted Carreras is like their
star of this offensive line.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It's not good, Kyle, it's Tier five.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah, it's bad. It's one of the worst in the league.
I mean, there is a case like I do think
was a bit of a project as a player when
he got drafted. He was a guy with a huge pedigree.
He didn't play a whole lot of Georgia just because
they have so many guys. They'd turn guys in and
out offensive line wise, so he didn't get a ton
of snaps and he probably needed a few more. Hopefully
he got a little bit of taste. He can improve.

(45:17):
He's still a physical talent, you know, Orlando Brown. It
depends on the day, honestly, if he's good or not.
And like look, they still they have Dylan Fairchild. Maybe
he plays a factor in this. They got him in
the third round this past season. But that's all still
speculative and as optimistic as you can be. This is
one of the worst groups in the league on paper.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, and now we can get to the defense.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
The I mean, because you talk about the in fairness.
Like again, there are players I like on this defense.
I like Cam Taylor Brett. I want to see Jordan
Battle in Geno Stone play another year because they I've
seen good play out of it, specifically with Gino's moment.
Even Jordan Battle in his rookie year seemed like he
was gonna show some thing. So maybe just another year.

(46:01):
Like again, we talked about how fooky secondary can be.
Maybe just give these guys another year. Can things get
can get better? Can dj Turner in a full season
get better? You know, Dax Hill is a nickel, Like
there's there's players here on paper. If it ends up
being a decent secondary, I wouldn't be like stunned, I guess,
but like, it was just so bad last year, so

(46:21):
I'm gonna say Tier four for now. But again, this
is what makes predicting football teams so difficult because how
do you know, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
I mean it's gonna take a lot of development from
these guys that we haven't seen it from, right, Like
they when they let a lot of their guys go.
Obviously they had a great secondary at one point when
they made the Super Bowl with some really talented players.
They let Jesse Bates go, they let Mon Bell go.
Maybe that was the right move, but they let all
these guys go, and it was kind of like, Okay, well,

(46:48):
the guys coming in that you draft have to make
the difference, and so far they haven't. So you know,
they had a you know, they have Lou defensive coordinator.
Lou I forgot his last name and I'm blanking on it,
so I'm not gonna look it up real fast in
delay everything for that. But he was a really high,
highly regarded defensive coordinator when they had the personnel to

(47:09):
do it. Can he develop these guys? Canny replenishes this group.
You know, we've seen the smallest flashes out of guys
like Cam Taylor, Bridd, DJ Turner, Jordan Battle, but we
haven't seen it consistently and that definitely has to get
better for this to work, because yeah, I mean those
are those are Tier five players last season for sure
on paper.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, I do really like the addition of adding Orn Burks.
I'm always a fan of getting the like the good
like third option on a team that like just has
two starters and so you isn't getting the playing time.
I always think that's smart Logan Wilson, like that should
be a good off ball linebacker tandem. So again, that's
usually not what you want the strength of your team
to be, but at least it's something. Trey Hendrickston is awesome.

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I thought he should have won Defensive Player of the
Year last year. He was fantastic. Again, I'm just assuming
he's gonna play. If he doesn't, well, that obviously changes things.
But again, other than that, it's like there's not a
lot here, Like Joseph Asai, We're still doing this another
year now where he's gonna be like the slated starter,
and then it's like, okay, it's b J. Hill, and

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then who else like TJ. Slayton, Is Miles Murphy getting
another crack at this? Like this is a rough defensive
line outside of Hendrickson. So Hendrickson's good enough, I'll bump
them up to Tier three pass rush just just him alone,
and then I'll say Tier four run defense because they
have linebackers and Hendrickson, but like this is not a
great unit as a whole.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
They do have some really good players though.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, I mean, like they have me j. Hill, they
have those linebackers, so maybe the run defense is a
little bit better. But that's you know, that's still the
optimistic side of me if I were to play that side.
But like you just look at it and like if
I were to play the if I were the Bengals,
I would say, well, we drafted these guys and we're
optimistic about and we have Demetrius Knight at linebacker and

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Barrett Carter, two rookies who we think could play at
the third linebacker spot and be impactful. We have a
Shamar's Stewart and we want him to be that guy.
You know, could one of those guys step up, We'll see.
But that's still, like I said, that's the optimistic side.
Even a guy like Stewart was a project kind of pick.
So that's still like looking way too optimistically to say

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he's gonna be impactful day one as a rookie.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Well, I mean, and we don't know if. I mean,
it seems like he's not gonna play, right. I mean,
like I guess, we don't know, but like it seems
like I just sort of assumed that he's gonna unless
I missed something when I was overseas, I just assumed
that he's probably not gonna be out there.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You know this, I forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, this contract thing.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I mean, I mean, at this point, I feel like
it would have I don't think the Bengals are gonna
band and I don't think the that he's gonna better.
I think I I think he's gonna sit out and
get drafted by someone else next year.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
If that happens, that is a bizarre situation for sure.
So I don't know. We'll see what happens for sure.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I have no idea. I haven't paid much attention to it.
I just saw that he wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, yeah, No, it seems like it's like it looking
like it might not happen, Kyle, I don't know, Like
this is the Bengals team that even late in the
year when they were red hot, it's like they were
beating the Broncos in overtime. You know, It's not like
they were like this dominant force that looked like championship contenders.
I was kind of lower on them. I was a
lot lower on them than you were towards the end
of the year. Again, Burrow, Jamar, Chasey Higgins, They're going

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to be fun to watch, They're going to stay in games.
I still had this as a nine and eight team
similar to last year. Like, I just don't see this
as a very different I don't think it's going that
differently than last year, except maybe they won't start slow this.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Year potentially, But if they don't start slow, maybe that's
ten wins, right, Like it's possible.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Sure, So.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
It definitely is a question for me. But I just
got to rely on those guys and say that they're
going to make it work. So we'll definitely see how
it plays out. I think they got the potential to
do it. But yeah, I mean, don't disrespect the Broncos
like that. That was a playoff team last year, how
dare you?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, but they were the seventh seeded playoff team like that.
That's my point is, I think Bengals are even at
their peak or like a fringe playoff team, But they were.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Also like playing the one seed in the AFC to
overtime all the time and all that kind of stuff.
So who was that fact?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, that's true, but that's the divisional matchups. That's uh,
that's different.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, I don't know. I think that the that's the
problem with this Bengals team is like if you you could,
you could see them beating anybody, but you could also
see them losing anybody. They could lose to the Panthers
one week and beat the Ravens of the Chiefs next week,
and I wouldn't be shocked by either situation.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
But we're saying they could lose. They could lose to
the Panthers. I can't put them the too high in
my rankings.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I mean we're talking one win though you had ten
wins versus nine wins, Like it's easy to say, yeah,
I mean, like, I think it's that close.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
What's your project? What's your project? Where do you think
the Bengals end up this year?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I think both of those teams are between nine and
eleven wins.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Okay, so you see, you see this as a team
that's gonna make the playoffs, but you're not expecting them
to be like a real at least we're expecting us
to feel like the real contenders heading into the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
No, I mean they're definitely a second tier contender for me,
if anything, Okay, if that makes sense, Like they would
be below the Chiefs, the Ravens, and the Bills for
sure in the playoff situation. But it's also one of
those things where you know, you get to the playoffs
and if you have Joe Burrow, you can win any
playoff game. It just takes four wins to win a

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super Bowl. Like it's not unfathomable, right.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, it's it's possible, And I agree. I think that
that kind of that that's why they're so fun to watch,
but also kind of why it's so frustrating.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Well let's talk about another elite quarterback to Baltimore Ravens. Kyle,
you have the Oh wait, first, I didn't do the percentage.
Guess the percentages The Bengals are in third? What do
you how many?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
You know?

Speaker 1 (52:49):
It's you know, it's between thirteen and three percent. Also,
the Browns have actually dropped down to two percent since
doing that, so you actually nailed it. You were just
just a little early the what what percent do you
think picked the Bengals to win the division.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yep, nailed it right right out of money.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
All right, here we go, we're back.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
So Kyle, two out of three you've gotten right out
of the money kind of.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, I mean yeah, it's never You're never wrong, You're
just too early. That's that's my take.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, Kyle, the number one.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
If you've for anyone who doing the math at home, why,
I'll just tell you the Ravens had seventy five percent
of the poll predict them to win the division. Now,
I will say I was curious, so went back and
checked last year. There was a tie for first. Last
year it was the Chiefs, And can you guess the
other team that tied for the highest percentage in their division?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
The Chiefs and last season forty nine Ers.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
It was the forty nine Ers, who of course missed
the playoffs altogether. So that just kind of goes to
show no one knows anything.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Yeah, it's safe to say that that that could change again,
so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yes, Kyle, the Baltimore Ravens, why did you have them
winning the division?

Speaker 3 (54:00):
This team's sick Like they won a lot of games
last year. They're gonna win a lot of games this year.
They have the best quarterback running back duo in football.
They have a good offensive line. I mean it's not
a great offensive line, but it's definitely more than solid
and we'll get the job done. They improved on defense
last year, although they did have a big injury and
I am worried about that and that was a big

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part of their defense improving, honestly, So that plays a
factor in it. But like this team just turns out
good talent year of the year at all these positions.
This team's gonna be great on offense, if not the
best offense in the league next season. They're gonna be
very good on defense again and have some really talented players. So, yeah,
Ravens are sick, They're gonna win the division, and yeah
they're a super Bowl contender. And the only question we

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have for Baltimore is how do they perform in January.
That's the only question left for me.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah, stay healthy and then how you perform in January.
Those are kind of that.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
That said, you know, we always talk about the two
most important people in the organization, which of course Kyle
is the quarterback. In the running back Lamar Jackson and
Eric Henry both tier ones here. I mean, this is
the this is what you know again, it's we were
excited at how is this gonna work?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Last year? On paper it should be amazing, and like, yeah,
it turns out it's just amazing.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Yeah, PFF's number one great quarterback, PFF's number one rated
running back. Lamar Jackson did not win MVP last season,
but funny enough, I think he deserved it. Just like
two years ago he won MVP and I did not
think he deserved it. But that's it shakes out that way. Whatever,
you know, we don't have to rehash that history. He's amazing.
I mean, he just does everything so well except for

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play football in January again, but we don't have to
keep rehashing that. And yeah, I mean I think he's
he's a fantastic player. He's rightfully a multi time MVP winner,
and as he goes, this Ravens team is going to go.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, Lamar Jackson very good. He was my quarterback too
when I did my quarterback reggings. I think he is
that level. And again the ability to make these high
leverage plays while protecting the football so effectively again and.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
And I just still do feel like last year he.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Was not bad in the playoffs, so the narrative as
a whole is fair. He had the two turnovers last year.
One was a miscommunication and the other was a you know,
it was a fumble, fair enough, But as a whole,
he made a lot of amazing plays outside of those
two turnovers in that Bills game, and I would even
argue was the better quarterback in that game outside of
he made a big mistakes.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
So fair enough.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
But but ultimately, like I'm not worried about Lamar Jackson.
I think Lamar Jackson will be a great player and
will if this team wins the super Bowl will be
like the main reason why.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
And I'm almost rooting for it at this point. Like,
you know, I don't think this Ravens organization whatever rivalry there,
but uh, you know, it's just.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Like he's like the most likeable person ever.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
He is so fun to root for, He's so awesome
to watch, and I mean he's just got, you know,
a great personality too, honestly, So you know, he's someone
you want to win, you want to succeed, and I
hope it does happen from one of these next few seasons.
And it's just funny they bring in this Derrick Henry thing,
and you're like, how's it gonna look? How's it gonna look?
And it's just it's one of those things where it

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worked perfectly from day one, Like they just started running
that raid option, it's like, oh wait, this is impossible
to cover. Yeah, you know, it's just unstoppable. So obviously
it's gonna be unstoppable. So I expect that to continue
to be really good. I mean even if Henry, you know,
we've been projecting Derrick Henry slowing down even a minor
step for these past few seasons, even if he does

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slow down just a little bit next season, that's still
going to be impossible to stop in the backfield.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
I mean, Gus Edwards was impossible to stop in the backfield.
So like, yeah, I think that if you know, if
ninety percent of Derrick Henry h they'll still be all right.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I like the weapons too.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
If you know, you have Rashad Bateman, you have Zay Flowers,
who's great. I'm interested in seeing if Hopkins can give
them something. Hopkins was a piece of that Chiefs team,
Like you know, for what a five million dollar deal
that feels like it's totally worth it. Even Tyler Wallace
gives you a little bit. Also really good time, amazing
tight end, Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely. It's a tier

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two receiving room for me.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yeah, I like it a lot. I mean I don't.
I'm expecting zero from DeAndre Hopkins and it's tier two
for me, who like, I just think they're that good.
I think Flowers is awesome. I think he's electric. I
think Rashad Bateman had a career year. I thought he
was really good. And then this tight end tandem, like
you said, is awesome. They're rock stars. There was just
this narrative that like Mark Andrews is bad now and

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it's just not true, like he's still drop the past.
Yeah he dropped one pass, so yeah he's gonna be fine.
But yeah, that is those four guys are all really good.
There's depth there, and all of those guys are really talented.
And then you maybe get something from DeAndre Hopkins, even
though like I said, I expect next to nothing. I
think he's unfortunately a very good player who is a
bit washed up.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Yeah, Kyle, I don't love this offensive line.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Maybe maybe a hot take, I don't think it is.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I think there's some question marks here in the especially
so well so there's some good, good pieces. Ronie Stanley
still very good. Roger Rosengarten, I think you you trust
him as the other tackle. Tyrol Linderbaum awesome center. It's
really the guards that is the question. I mean, you
have Andrew Voor, He's a plus name. I have to
respect anyone whose last name is of a horror franchise villain,

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right just being Jackson Suger kind of got to do that.
But I mean again, he was a seventh round pick
who's played two hundred and sixty career snaps like, and
now he's slated the start. I have some concerns there.
Look like Daniel Falley will be the other you know,
scheduled starter here at at Guard. You know you have
Ben Cleveland there. I just I have concerns about real

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concerns about this Guard situation, even though like three out
of five pieces, I'm in between four and five. To
be honest, I think I'm gonna just go Tier five
right now.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, I mean, like potentially I could see that, like
it it will still work out though, because it's it's
the Ravens and they don't need to have a great
offensive line to be successful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
But I just think the personnel is tier five.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Like it's just so hard to play defensive line against
the team that runs a Reid option like this, right
because you just don't know how to time it. And
then even then, like even if you do get everything right,
you still have to get to and sack Lamar Jackson,
which might be the hardest thing for a defensive line
to do. Yeah, so that's still all really difficult. I mean,
we'll see how Varheez looks. I mean, Linderbaum's a stud,
Stanley's a stud. I think the one thing I'm just

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looking at is like we'll see how Vorheez looks. Like
you said, there's not really a lot of tape on him.
But at the very least, I don't think anybody stinks
on this team right now, Like at least, like I
think everyone's just like below average at best. And I
think that's what I'm looking for there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Uh, key Ran says that they're you know, they'll maybe
be better listen maybe, like sometimes there's players that just unprovedment.
But like again, the fact that the Ravens believe in
them is is I'm more willing to believe that it'll
work out than when the Bengals are throwing a guy
out a seventh round pick out there and saying, we
justus guy. Like, the Ravens are an organization that usually
know what they're doing. But like again, I can't just

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give them the extra credit just because of that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I just they have
to not suck those two guards and at the very
least I don't think they suck. And that's the best part.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough, Kyle. The secondary is really good.
Like usually with the Ravens would just say, don't even
look at the you know players there, We'll just give
it Tier one. This is like, if they're they should
be better than Tier one. Uh, you have Jeer Alexander,
Nate Wiggins should obi a Woozier, Marlon Humphrey, and then
safety's are Darius Watsington and Kyle Hamilton. Uh Like that's

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crazy not to mention Rokwan Smith as a linebacker. Also
Trenton Simpson who gets thrown in there. Uh, this is
this is ridiculous. This Tier one is underselling it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Yeah, it's awesome, And I mean this team coaches good
secondaries too, so I think it's stupid that they got
Jayler Alexander. It's not fair. Yeah, but yeah, I mean
like even if they get fifty percent of what Alexander
and what chadobiu Ouzie was work, then I still think
it's a pretty good secondary because Humphrey's that good, Wigans
showed a lot of potential, Kyle Hamilton is that good.

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And I mean the one thing is too is like
Ourdiers Washington was awesome for this team to end the season.
That was a big part of the defensive turnaround, and
he's out for the year now. That is a big loss.
I think. I love Malachi Starks in the draft. I
was a huge fan, but goming in year one and
saying you're gonna play our state free safety position, that's
a lot to ask. We'll see how that looks. Could
there be potential one of these corners who were once

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really great at corner moved back to safety. I have
no idea. I don't I haven't really read the training
care reports on any of that. That's just kind of
my speculation. So we'll see how that looks. But overall,
like there's just so many talented players on this team
that I can't get worried about it too. And that's
not even mentioning the linebackers, who are just these rangey
guys and all over the place too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah, gotcha, I I missed, actually missed the Iderius Washington injury.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
That sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Yeah, yeah he what is it? He Torey's achilles? I
think it. Yeah, so that's brutal, because yeah, like I said,
he was a huge, huge part. But then being said,
I still think there's five or six really good defensive
players in this secondary.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Yeah, does doesn't change the Tier one ranking, you know, yeah,
because you still have Okay, now you have to have
your first round pick come in and be a starter.
That's that's usually this people are looking at to be
like a star let alone a death piece. So yeah,
still some good stuff there. As for the front seven,
I already brought up the the linebackers. For the edge guys,

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you have Calvin They who's still continuing to play well.
Uh o, a Oway who's a good player. Maybe you
get something out of David Ojabo this year for uh,
you know, for for the you know, you have Travis
Robinson as well. For the interior you have Travis Jones,
progerc Washington and Dabe Mattabuke, who is you know, always
a threat from the inside.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
There there's good players across the mix. This should be enough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
You know, it's not necessarily the one huge name. I
guess Matta Bouque is probably the biggest name, both in
terms of letters but also in terms of just uh,
you know, he's a good player. But yeah, I mean
this is like, I don't know, Uh, is it too
optimistic to say Pier two for both or do I
need to go down a tier for one of these?
I think I think Peer two feels okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
I think that's fair. You know, it's funny we keep waiting,
like we keep saying we have questions about this pass
rush year after year, and then it's like, oh, Way
and van Neuy just continue to play well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Well, wonder corners can PLU can cover guys one on one,
you can send five every whatever you want, Like it
makes it pretty easy to pass rush.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I mean that's fair, But they're also just been
good individual passes. You're right that van Ney has been
a consistently pretty awesome player and always a pretty nice
piece on the other side too, I don't think he's
quite lived up to his draft pick. But like you
keep saying, like do they need another pass rusher? And
then these guys just continue to be good. So yeah,
I guess I'm just not gonna be worried about it.
And their interiors off them and they have ro Kwan

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Smith too, by the way, so all that's gonna work out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Have the Ravens finishing fourteen to three. I think this
is a real threat to win the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah, no problem with any of that. They're gonna be sick.
Like I said, I have no problems with Ravens regular
season football. It's Ravens in January. I see fourteen wins
to thirteen fourteen wins. I see potential one seed in
the division. I think this could be the best offensive
football next season with a really good defense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Still, is it a good thing the Ravens always underperforming
the playoffs? Like, imagine this team was also like ads good,
Like they'd be like that. They'd be better than the
Chiefs if they were just the playoffs. A regular season
Ravens in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, maybe they need to take that out of the
Chiefs playbook and just play bad half the time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, I think think, uh, I think clearly could Is that?
Is that what it works? Why it works for the
Chiefs Raiders all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Yeah, they just blow games to the Raiders and you know,
wait till the last second to get a block field
goal or something like that. Ravens just need to start
doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, I think so. They tried to Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Yeah, they did try to lose them. They're not a
good team.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Right, Yeah, I think so because the fifth they need
to go go go worse, uh, you know, lose they
they didn't play to the Browns.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Didn't they have some close games last year Browns?

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah, I think so. I mean all those AFC North
games feel close. You're right, it is a division thing
where all those games are closed. But there's a lot
of divisions like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Yeah, Kyle, Uh, that is this division. Also, we didn't
talk about the Browns are getting a dome. You should
you should be out of AFC NORF if you're getting
a dome.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Yeah, that's soft. I didn't even see that. That's domb.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, that's that's yeah. That can't that can't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Yeah, I don't. I don't like that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
No, Uh, Kyle Lamona can find us on Twitter before
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Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Of course, if like audio Awnly podcast, anywhere to get
your podcast, search on the sideline podcast it should be
available there. And wants to know Hockey Free Agency chat Kyle.
We've things have gotten worse since we've last spoken. Uh,
marsh and uh and the Panthers win a Stanley Cup.
Now he has resigned for six years even though he's
thirty seven. This is uh, you know, it's it's tough

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times here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Yeah. I don't like that at all. I'll be honest.
I don't pay a lot of attention to hockey Free
agency just because the roster's changed here after year. So
I just kind of wait for everybody to show up
in October and see who's on my team and say, okay,
let's go. I did see Mitch Marner went to the nights,
So I guess that's cool too. You've got je is
gonna be pretty good. Yeah, that's true. So yeah, so

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there's a few pieces there. Obviously, the Florida thing, like
this team being able to bring back everybody's annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
That's annoying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Yeah, we hate them. I don't need to keep rehashing
how much it is like Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yeah, no, they're the worst. They're just the worst team
I've ever watched. And uh god, we didn't talk about
the Halliburton thing either.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
That was devastating. I was so excited for that game.
Halliburton goes down three minutes into it, and like, you know,
it looked like we were just primed for an insta classic.
Can to get robbed for us? You know, I think, Okay, see,
he was the best team all season, they deserved the title,
all of that kind of stuff. Maybe nothing changes, but
I just would have liked to see the conclusion to
that game and see that play out, because we looked
like we were primed for something amazing and Halliburton was

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really good to start that game too, So very very unfortunate. Yeah,
it was a bummer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I missed the game live because I was, you know,
in Ireland, so I was, uh, but I was watching
the highlights after the fact, and uh yeah, that was
a that was a bummer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
That that sucks. That's that's got big.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
That's that might be the worst loss of all time,
at least the twenty eight to three game. You could
tell yourself, mate, there's always next year like this, there
is the It's like, there's always two years from now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Yeah, I mean, and then they they blew up their
team too with not wanting to go in the luxury
tax because the Pacers never going to the luxury tax.
Myles Turners now in Milwaukee Bucks. So they lost one
of their five players, one of their starting five guys.
So we'll see how that looks next season.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Also, just like this was realistically their chance anyway, Like
I mean, like, yeah, we'll all do with all due respect,
I'm not sure they're gonna get back here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Probably not. Yeah, I mean you could argue twenty six,
but even then it's still a long shot, just like
this was a long shot. So we'll see how it
all plays out. I mean, like yeah, looking at the yeah,
it's just it was definitely an unfortunate moment. It definitely stinks. Yeah,
it gets through the I mean honestly, like if if
Paolo and Franz keep getting better, I mean, we'll see
they got Desmond Vaine now too. Yeah, and it paid

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a totally fair price for him. Hey, look, I mean
like I don't hate the trade.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, I feel like, oh no, we gave them a
couple extra first round picks. Whatever, they're all trade They're
all trade chips if you're trying to compete.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
I mean, at the end of the day, Orlando's hoping
that those are like picks in the twenties, and that's
the goal, and that's all that matters. So I think
they had a very good offseason and I think that
team's gonna be really good still. So we'll see. You
got to stay healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, it should be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
But Kyle, any other found thoughts are ready to to
Oh uh, the one thing I have to mention I
should have mentioned at the top of the show. Next
week we will here just in general, be on the lookout.
We're gonna be on some weird times coming up because
Kyle is gonna be traveling before too long as well.
Next week we will be Monday will be at the
time for our show, So be on the lookout. Monday,
six pm Eastern is when we will be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
The AFC West.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Kyle, I wonder who's gonna win that one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
It's the year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
It won't be the Chiefs, probably not, but or probably not. Yeah,
probably not, that's probably not. But I do think this
is a pretty competitive. This might be the best most
talented top to bottom that the division has been in
the Mahomes era. I think it's really good. I think
that there's some I think all four of these teams
can make the playoffs. I'm excited. It's my season for

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next week. Yeah, Monday Night.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Right, Monday night, being a lookout for that. Thank you
to everybody for watching, be on the lookout for us
next week Monday Night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Until then, have a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Peace,