Draft Recap: AFC Edition

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the On
the Sideline podcast of Jackson and Kyle. I am Jackson
and I'm joined here as always by the man who
swears he never had Shitter Sanders' phone number. Kyle, Kyle,
how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Uh? Doing pretty good? This it was not fine tune
fifty dollars or whatever it was. That's always a good news.
And uh yeah, I mean things have been good at
a little mini Red Sox wind streak. We had maybe
the best soccer game of the year this year so
far today, So everything's going good. How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah? Well, glad glad here as in just cann I
know you're also play a lot of sports. Are you
talking about playing or watching?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Watching? Watching the game? The game today was amazing Barcelona.
They just play drunk games all the time. It's great stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Okay, cool, Yeah, Kyle sports, I'm not been going great
in my world. This has not been I cannot say
I've been doing the same.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, tough series for you. There. Rays aren't helping you out,
And yeah, I can't imagine it'd be in fun all around.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
The brace that you got. They've got a bit of
a win streak. They're at five hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now, oh there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Were bad? Yeah? There were?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Sure the Magic Gloss and five the Lightning are about
to lose in five maybe, but we got them things going, Kyle,
No one cares about that. Let's talk about the draft recaps.
So what we're gonna do was, we're gonna go through
the AFC team just because we want to be able
to talk a bit a little bit longer about these teams.
And I figure, let's just break it up to make
sure that we can, you know, have as much time

(02:10):
as we want to talk about things. And Kyle, let's
not bury to lead here. Should we just go right
into to Cleveland Browns?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah? I mean it was the biggest story of the
draft obviously, the or at least ESPN made it definitely
the biggest story of the draft. It was very noteworthy.
Of course, the Cleveland Browns finally take Shador Sanders in
the fifth round in a controversial draft fall. Okay, I guess,
as initially as this transpired, what was your thoughts overall?

(02:40):
And you know, did you do you like the fit?
And do you you know, I just explain the whole
situation from your perspective.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
To me, Yeah, well let's yeah, let's just start with
the shitter standers thing and then we can talk about
the Browns as a whole. Cause. So, first, he falls
out of the first round, and I wasn't shocked that happened.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I was.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I was surprised Dart went ahead of him, even though
I had Dart as quarterback two on my board, just
because I didn't think. I didn't see anyone else have
that take basically, so I figured that, like I said,
that was a bit of a surprise. But we knew
it was possible he'd fall out around one right when
we did our mock draft. He didn't he fall out
of around one. It's something that like was I think I'd
even said, like he might go top five, he might

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fall out of around one. So I wasn't stunned when
that happened. But then when he falls out of round
two in round three and guys like Dylan Gabriel and
you know, Tyler Shook and Jaylen Milroe are all getting
stucked ahead of him, it was one of the biggest,
biggest draft surprises I've ever seen in my life. Quite frankly,
I don't think I've ever seen something quite like this,
even Malik Willis. We knew there was a chance he

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would fall because some people didn't didn't love him. We
just thought he would get drafted earlier because of you
know the fact that teams need quarterbacks. And he still
went Day two. I mean, I think it was shocking.
Anyone who says Otis wasn't surprising, like you're a liar. No,
none of us expected this.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, this is definitely a surprise. Five is an
extreme one. And you know, there was a bunch of
reports out. You know, everybody had their opinions on what happened,
how this happened and all that, and yeah, I mean,
it clearly seems like this whatever was this interview process
that people talked about, because that seems to be the

(04:18):
most consistent thing is how bad his interview were and
how bad he presented himself to these teams. It seems
like whatever happened during this process clearly hurt him in
the draft profile. And you know, I think it's kind
of the similar thing that like Tim Tebow went through.
I mean, he got drafted in the first round, but
after Tim Tebow kind of flamed out in Denver. It
was one of those things where it's like, well, we

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don't think you're very good, and you'd also be a distraction,
and we just don't want to deal with the distraction
on top of someone we don't think is very good either,
And that's just kind of became the Tim Tebow story
for the rest of his career and why he ended
up you know, kind of Arlan Meyer didn't mind it, Yeah, exactly,
you know, that's it, but like shit or Sanders, very
much became clear that like that seems to be the

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situation here because yeah, look I was open, like he
was the number two quarterback on my draft board, but
at the same time, I didn't have a first round
grade on him. I only had one quarterback with the
first round grade I could. I think he was him
and Jackson Dart with both second round guys to me,
and he felt a lot further than that. So yeah,
that was definitely a shock, and you know, see him

(05:24):
end up there was very interesting. But you know, he
still gets drafted in a chance to prove himself here
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I think, and I think it's we always look
for the one reason, when in reality, there's usually a
lot of reasons for something like this. Happening, right. I
think for Sanders, his film wasn't great and that was
kind of the biggest thing is he's a project quarterback
who isn't a great athlete. I have to say, some
people are talking about him like he's Peyton Manning or
something like he can move like he's not like the statue.
But you know, he doesn't have the high upside that

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somebody these players do. He also is a bit of
a project. And then when you throw a wand the yep,
I think that that already knock the matter of round one.
And then when you're considered the day two pick and
then you're having this other stuff that probably hurt his
stock a little bit still. I mean, again, there's players
who are getting drafted to be like backups or guys
are not even sure going to make the roster ahead

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of him. So it's stunning that he fell that far.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, very stunning the fail that far. And not to
mention he gets taken by a team who drafted Dylan
Gabriel in the third round. Yes, has Deshaun Watson on
this huge, insane contract that's going to hold the team
back for multiple years, and also signed Joe Flacco this
offseason and traded for Kenny Pickett, so he is technically

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the fifth quarterback on the roster. I mean they're not
going to go into the season obviously with five quarterbacks,
so multiple of these guys are getting cut slash moved.
We'll see what happens obviously throughout the summer. But I
mean this Browns thing is about as extreme as as
we've gone, and like, let's just put him as many
bullets in the chamber at the quarterback position as we

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can and just hope one hits the target sort of thing.
You know, They're just they're they're gonna test all of
these guys, I guess, and like, hey, play better than
Joe Flacco and you get the job. Basically, it seems like.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, if if Joe Flacco wins the job, just like
just this clean, clean house, just he'll be to one quarterback.
Don't even like if you if this can't happen, because
you're right, you have three young quarterbacks. Watson. I think
it's just he reaggravated his achilles things. I think he
just gonna be on ir for a whole year. And
I think I wouldn't even I wouldn't be shocked if
he just doesn't even show up to you know, any

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of these team events. But you have the other four guys,
and yeah, just gonna come down to who who can
play better. And like for Sanders, it's not a guarantee
he makes the roster. You know, he might be a
practice squad guy. Like because you're right, like as of today,
he has to be QB four, right, I mean, don't
you kind of have to put like just today if
you're doing like the the pre season depth chart has

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to be Flacco one, pick it too, uh, Gabriel three,
and Sanders four, because you're gonna put the rookies last.
And Gabriel was selected ahead of standards, so he's gonna
have to climb up just to make just to make
the team first of all.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Mm hmm, yeah, I mean that's basically how we'd have
to put it. I mean, I would assume that all
of these guys are going to get a chance to
prove themselves in training camp, so long way obviously until
the season still, but yeah, I would say right now
he is the fourth quarterback on the rosters. So absolutely
wild times in a whild draft for Cleveland. You know,
obviously they opened the draft too with the crazy trade

(08:29):
trading back to number five, and I mean, like, look,
I thought there was this was a two superstar draft.
I thought there was a bunch of pretty good prospects
after that. But there's two really great prospects, and they
got a huge haul to move off one of the
picks for those great prospects to get a good prospect.
I like Mason Graham. I like what he can do.
He's a good football player at defensive tackle, I think,

(08:51):
and they got big capital for it, So, you know,
do I like Travis Hunter a lot? I do, But
they also moved back and got a pretty good player
and extra draft picks. I don't think it was necessarily
a wrong decision.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So they do that.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
They draft two quarterbacks, which is interesting. I mean there's
a lot, you know, two running backs in this draft.
Kind of just a wild up and down draft for
these guys in it. You know, obviously the fifth round
pick is the most talked about one when he made
the biggest trade of.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
The day, right yeah, yeah. Ultimately, the quarterbacks. I like
the decision. Let's get some guys in the building, let's
see if we can make it work out. It's a
one quarterback class. Don't reach on a I mean, they
could have drafted Shutter Standards at five and people wouldn't
have questioned it. So getting him at one, well, people
would have questioned it, but wouldn't have been shocking. Getting
him over one hundred picks later not the worst thing
in the world. But yeah, for the trade back, Kyle,

(09:40):
I thought long and hard about this. I think I
am pro trading back for the Browns here and anti
trading up for the Jaguars. And you know me, I
love Travis Hunter. Think he's probably the best peer project
in this draft class. But ultimately, the just the philosophy
I've always had in like kind of like analytics people
will tell you is you don't trade up for a

(10:01):
non quarterback because just usually when you win, the wins
are small, and when you lose, you can lose massively.
The other team is getting multiple players. Now the Jaguars
are kind of getting multiple players with Travis Hunter, and
that complicates things. But ultimately, I just think, you know,
what the what what the Brown's already got, not to
mention they're getting next year Jaguars first round pick, a

(10:23):
team that has picked first overall twice in recent history.
It's it's it's a good idea I think for the Browns.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think it's a good idea for the Browns because
I think they need to prioritize their future. You know,
this team wasn't in my opinion, this team was not
going to turn competitive with this draft just because there
was there wasn't the quarterback prospects where they were selecting.
You know, they are a long way, I think, from competing,

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and they had this albatross of a contract. So I
think then moving back getting a pretty good prospect and
also few capital is important because the future is more
important than the present for the brown So I don't
hate it. As far as the Jaguars perspective goes, I
don't know, man Like, I kind of don't want to
have an opinion on it now for the dag Wars perspective,

(11:15):
because what if, what if Travis Hunter is able to
just break football and play ninety plays a game, then
he's probably worth all of this even as a non quarterback.
He's going to become the most valuable non quarterback in
the league at that point. And like the fact that
there's a non a greater than zero percent chance of

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that happening. I think is tantalizing for a lot of teams.
I could see a lot of people see in a
situation like this and saying like this guy could play
ninety snaps a game, be awesome, play both sides of
the ball for us, and like, yeah, I mean this
is the Otani thing. Like you, they use war all
of these years for baseball war metrics, and Otani breaks
war metrics in a lot of ways. Obviously he's not

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as much anymore, but like, yeah, if if Travis Hunter
can kind of break football in a certain way, like,
doesn't that become worth it?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I mean yeah, I mean, so you know, let's just
go to let's jump to the Jaguars. Now that's not
exactly the order I was gonna have us do, but
we'll just go there because we're talking about him. Uh yeah,
I mean I agree, like it, Yes, there is that
potential for the Jacksonville Jaguars that they could you know,
if Travis Hunter ends up being a star player at
two different positions, then like, yeah, this probably ends up

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being a fair trade. There is just that risk factor
of most people don't think he'll be able to play
both positions. It seems like the Jaguars aren't gonna start
him at corner. They're gonna start him at receiver, which
to me feels like not They're gonna play some packages
at corner, which is kind of a CONFUW do that?
You know, we'll see, yes, And this is why, Well,

(12:52):
I said I'm probably pro Browns in this trade. I
think that's what I would have done. I think there's
a much better argument for doing stuffing like this from
Jacksonville's perspective then there usually is.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, it I think he's gonna end up playing both sides.
But we'll see, I mean, whether it works or not,
we'll see, I guess is the question. But yeah, I
think he could definitely. I think he has the potential
to do it, and it'd be interesting to see how
it works out. But yeah, I mean, yeah, if they
start him at receiver, still it's still a big risk.
That's a big thing. Like it is still a massive,

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massive risk because, like you said, this is a lot
of draft capital to move up for a non quarterback.
And you know, he was my fait. He was my
number one prospect in this draft. So you know, you
could say, well, we're getting the best prospect in the draft.
We'll see what happens after that. But yeah, I still
think it's a big risk. And you know, if he's
only going to play one side of the ball and
majority of the time, then at that point, yeah, basically,

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you know, you're it's it's not a good deal at
that point, right because you're not getting the additive value
from a receiver. Even if he becomes a Pro Bowl receiver.
That's still a lot of capital to give up for
a guy at that position. So it's going to be
very fascinating to see how that plays out for Jacksonville.
But you know, they they took a risk, they found
the guy they really liked, and you know, they were

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aggressive to get Chris Godwin in the off season. Didn't
work out because obviously, you know, he resigned in Tampa
Bay and they all of a sudden give themselves a
really nice receiver duo with him and Bryan Thomas Jr.
For next season.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, that would be great. That'll be a lot of fun.
It's just I do worry with the jack you know
kind of we're talking about with the Browns of them
not being a player away. Listen, Thomas Hunter, if if
I was Jaguars fan, I just buy his Jersey today,
Like that's just like, that's like a rookie Jersey. I'm
okay with buying right, that's fun. But the the thing
is is are we going to have a situation where

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they still have plenty of holes on defense? This is
still an offensive line I don't love. I know they
did address that with like why why in the draft,
but like, I still think there's holes here. And of
course we don't know what Trevor Lawrence is gonna play
like this next year. He's Lawrence has had a bunch
of injury history. What if he gets injured Week two
and now you don't You didn't get a second you

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didn't have a second round pick, didn't pick again in
this draft until pick eighty eight, when I drafted a
guy projected to go one hundred and fifty. So that's
also not ideal. But you have that and then you
don't have your first round pick next year. I just worry.
Are we getting stuck in the mud here?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, definitely gonna be an interesting draft. You know, they
drafted a slot corner with their second round pick. They
still have some holes, it feels like on their offensive
line for sure, specifically at the right tackle position. So
how's that gonna be? How's that gonna work out this
next season? And then yeah, I mean, like it still
has to play better, like we we have been big

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Trevor Lawrence defenders on this podcast, but like, if he
doesn't take the step forward that he needs to, then
all of a sudden, this is gonna be tough. And
then you know we're looking at potentially a very high
pick next year going to another team. So you know
it's gonna be if this ends up a top five
pick going to Cleveland next season, then this is a disaster. Right,

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So it's just gonna be very fascinating to see how
it all plays out.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I agree, Let's let's move on, Kyle. The way
I had this formatted was I was gonna go AFC North,
then west and south the east. Does that work? Yeah,
let's do it. Okay, Well, let's go to the Steelers then,
who did not have the most electric draft, and that
was kind of by design. They decide not to go
quarterback until pick one eighty five when they selected Will Howard.

(16:25):
Thinking a couple of players I like, I like Derek
Carmon a lot, I like Jack Sawyer a lot. I'm
not sure if Sawyer is gonna get playing time behind
that loaded edge rushing group. But like, if he does
get into the lineup, he should be good there. You know,
Cale Johnson should be a good running back. It's value
there at pick eighty three. So ultimately, like again, it's
a very Pittsburgh Steelers draft. I feel like, I think

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one step is like they one percent have Aaron Rodgers
on their roster like that. I just I'm convinced that
that's an agreement with how to handle this. But yeah,
I think again they didn't reach on a quarterback before
they should have. They you know, added talent. Uh, it's
a draft that I would I'm not sure we're doing
grades here, but draft I'm mostly positive about.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I think I'm mostly positive about it. I mean, obviously
the tough thing is that, like they've given themselves no
room for negotiation here. They have to get a quarterback,
whether it is Aaron Rodgers or Kirk Cousins what not,
Will Howard, Will Howard. I'm willing to bet Will Howard
will not be starting next season.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't hate to pick though as like a flyer
for later years. But yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Agree, Yeah, no, I agree. So yeah, I think it's
a good job overall. I like Harmon on this team.
I like Johnson on this team. Sawyer is going to
get a chance at least to learn from the best.
It's going to be probably more developmental pick though, but yeah,
it's just gonna be. It puts yourself in a bind
still for sure that like you have to get somebody

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in the next month or so, like this has to
be addressed and they don't have an option, so you know,
does that put them in a little bit of a
hamstring situation that they can't like get out of or
or But yeah, I mean they have to get somebody
in this situation to get out of this. But uh,
you know, the assumption is obviously Aaron Rodgers will be
in the building and will be.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Fine, yeah, and have the same I'm kind of I'm
not gonna put them in a championship contender's yer, Like
I made a new mistake of last year with the Jets,
but like I'm kind of buying in a little bit
to the Steelers team if you're not just gonna play okay,
I don't know. They had the receivers, they have a
good defense, Like I'm doing this again and then they're
gonna go four and eight again and then then they'll
win some meetingless games later. But like, that's that's what's
gonna happen. But I'm buying in right now, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
What if they what if Aaron Rodgers has like a
Brett fav Viking season? Yeahline MVP.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, I could see that losing the conference championship game.
But what he would have to do to Brett Farr?
What would his version of the Brett Favre interception? Would
it be like having an open receiver but not hitting
him because it's too risky, doesn't want to.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Get throw Yeah exactly. Yeah, he can't throw it into
triple coverage like that or whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Right, exactly that. Yeah, that's the uh yeah, uh something
like that. Any more thoughts in the steers Some of
these teams can probably not spend forever on.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, I think we're good on that one. Like you said,
not the most exciting draft, but I think it was
a good draft overall.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, Sometimes the best drafts are the ones that aren't
aren't aren't getting the phones lit up? One day happened.
Let's go to ravens Now who this is that? I
mean very Ravens draft stand up with eleven picks. They
did draft a kicker, so there's you know that that's notable.
They just with the Justin Tucker thing. But the kind
of the two key ones is Malachi Starks and Mike Green. Kyle.

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These are you know, two prospects most people had in
their top twenty. You had Starks going at number ten
to the Bears in our Rock draft, so you know
a lot of talent here for Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, Yeah, I really like Starks. He kind of just
fits the bill, good Ravens player. He's going to cover
a lot of ground. I think he's a very very
good safety, great tackler, all that kind of stuff. That's
a home run pick for me. The Mike Green one,
you know, obviously extend circumstances off the field are the
reason why he was available at fifty nine. If you

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want to get into the morals of it, that's fine.
But they got a very good, talented player at fifty nine.
I think that's the fact. So I think, I mean
those two picks alone might make it in a like
if you were doing grades like that is a that
is an incredibly good value for those two picks plus
they got a few other good players here. Like you said,
they addressed their kicker need. I think they did a

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very good job in cleaned up this draft. Once again,
Baltimore continues to do things better than everybody else in
a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, there's there. They always get these edges in the draft. Yeah,
and again, you know all these picks, and you look
like where are drafting from the conceptus big board, there
really isn't a ton of reaches a couple towards the end,
including like the kicker one, But then there's also some
what the work goes the other way, So just and again,
there's so many picks here that that's just really what
it comes down to is like, yeah, I'm forget about

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the top two, which is, you know, maybe the best
top two anyone had in this class. They also been
got nine more players, so yeah, it's probably gonna work
out well for them.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, I would assume it worked out well. And you know,
I do think this team could use another pass rusher,
so getting a guy like Green to it that sort
of value I think is really important for them.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, let's go on to the Bengals. Bengals are next
on the list. Who you know, I think when I
did my Top seven losers video date, the Bengals were
number one on the list, which I don't hate every
pick here, but I just I'm not a huge Tamar
Stewart fan, and I don't think this is the right
team to be drafting a developmental edge rusher one day.

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You know, could be competitive right now if they had
a game changer or Demetrius Knight should be a fine
linebacker off ball linebacker for them. It still was a
bit of a reach for me. So I don't know, Kyle,
what did you think of this draft?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, not my favorite either. We did the whole Shamar
Stewart thing obviously, you know, we value a lot more
production than he brought. He is incredibly athletic, and there
is you know, there is a chance he could become
a very good player just off of athleticism alone. But
more times than that, that doesn't work out. We've seen
that over and over again. It's been talked about a

(21:58):
lot in this podcast. It's not our favorite archetype of
a player, so we'll see. But that being said, they
had that sort of thing with Trey Hendrickson. He had
turned into a very good player for them. But it
still feels like they got a long way to go.
But they addressed a lot of guys on defense, so
it wasn't like a total disaster for me. I like
a guy like Brett Carter at one nineteen too. I

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think he's a really good tackler as well. I think
there's a couple of good players in this draft. But yeah,
it's just overall, you know, looking at the top, it
does feel like a couple of reaches, even though you
know athletically those guys could be awesome.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah. Well, even using the Trey Hendrickson thing as an example, like,
let's not forget he was drafted by the Saints and
didn't really break out until his last year with the
Saints and the Bengals get so they essentially just they
developed someone else's player. Yeah, and not only that, it
was like, you know, the contract at the time for
the Bengals felt like an excessive contract and then he

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really turned into like the production guy in Cincinnati and
kind of turned into his Yeah, so it took a
long time for him, and it's probably gonna take a
long time for Stewart for sure. I do think it'll
be a good run defender, but yeah, I just feel
like this is I just feel like I just don't
think this. I could be wrong, but I don't think
the Beangals team is going to be that much different
than they were last year.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, I mean they needed help in the secondary, man,
I just I don't I think they needed to get
some guys back there, and they didn't get any reinforcements
for that group.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah. Yeah, or just an that Judture I think would
be more of an immediate impact. So well. See, I
mean sometimes just things defenses are weird, they're fluky, you know,
year in and year out. But as of right now,
it just wasn't my favorite.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah. Not to mention Johnny Barron went twenty in this draft,
and like, I think the next corner was Hairson, was it?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I think?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, yeah, So I mean there was guys available for sure,
so I guess it was just their their rankings. Like
I said, I think this is one of the few,
like probably this is one of the few drafts where
it feels like the rankings are all over the place
depending on who you are ask just because of I
think the gap between prospect number three and prospect like

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forty is much smaller in this draft than a lot
of other drafts.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Honestly, Yeah, I agree, and I think that's why there
were were so many reaches or quote unquote reaches. Let's
go to the Kansas City Chiefs, the reigning AFC champs
raining what they've been doing that a lot. But the
you know obviously have been to three straight Super Bowls,
have won two of them. Interesting draft here where Josh Simmons.

(24:31):
They end up trading back one pick and still get
Josh Simmons. Hey, if you can trade back one pick,
always worth doing it. A couple other suctions I like,
like the Omar Norman lot in Ashton Gallett Gillowet picks.
Those are guys I think we'll both be effective defensive
lineman for them. And Noel Williams. Keep an eye out
for him. I think he's gonna be a in that's

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Steve Spagnola's scheme. He's gonna be a guy that we're
talking about years from now. Jalen Royles will pick one
thirty three. I think it's a really strong draft by
the Chiefs, and they haven't had They've had a couple
of kind of up and down drafts lately. But I
think this is closer to that one draft world I
have had like seven starters come from it.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It feels a lot like that, right, Like, this feels
like they kind of went back to their bread and
butter with a lot of their prospects. Like you said,
they got a corner that really kind of fits the
archetype of every corner that they brought in there over
the last few years. They get a receiver who looks
like he could play inside, outside, do all those different things,
brains of versatility. They get a running back at pick
two twenty eight, who can you know, catch the ball?

(25:32):
He was a former receiver. Like it just feels like
a group a draft as a whole. That feels like
the Chiefs kind of identified their scheme and said, let's
draft players towards our scheme that you know, we think
are valuable. So I get that a lot all of
it makes sense. The Simmons one, like, I think he
slipped a little bit in this draft because of the injury,
and I think that totally makes sense. Plus it's like

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a one it was literally a four game sample size
of him being a first round prospect before he got hurt.
He wasn't quite that at San Diego state. So it'll
be interesting to see how he translates to the NFL.
But you know, he's huge, he's athletic. I think there's
a chance he could be good too.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, I do to say though he is not a guard, right,
He's a tackle. He's purely a tackle. Kyle. Uh, you
were sort of making jokes about, Oh, that report sue
Matea is not playing guard. Uh, they're drafting a guard
and this drafted and not drafted guard. So what what
are we is? I can't imagine. I don't think Jillen
Moore is gonna is he gonna kick in the guard?
There's there's the question now left guard?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (26:31):
That is still a question.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
It's definitely gonna be a question. I guess we'll just
have to see how it lines up, because yeah, I
don't see the vision for this one. But uh, it
just seems, you know, I'm still not gonna be I'm
still not convinced to Mateya is just gonna be a
guard next season after he was the third string, the
third choice at that position last year.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
He could he can, he's gonna be starting Week one.
You're like, yeah, I don't see it. They' gonna trade
for someone.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, they could still trade for someone. Honestly, let's just wait.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, there's still free agents, still some free agents out there.
That's what they should do. Trade for someone. Chiefs, just
get a guard. Why is this? Why are you every
now and the team? Does this work? Everyone's like, this
team clearly needs like this position, and they just refused
to do it.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Uh yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know. It's it's
definitely an interesting, interesting gamble. But uh, at the same time,
you know, four out of five offensive lineman looked pretty
good at this point. Maybe they can hide it a
little bit. And they're clearly going to be more aggressive
throwing the ball this next season. So I'm excited to
see what the Chiefs can do.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah. I remember someone compared to the Zion mcolemb last
year at the Buccaneers, where we kept saying, why are
they going into the season of Zion coleham and then
we saw him playing, right, Oh, that's why. Maybe this
is a situation there. Well, we'll see, but let's move on.
Let's go to the Los Angeles Chargers. Kyle, who had
a very Chargers draft, a very Jim Harbaugh draft here
getting Omari and Hampton in the first round when many

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thought he was going to go to Denver a couple
of picks earlier. Trey Harris kind of a big boy
wide receiver, so, you know, some trying to help out
complete this offensive skill position group.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, I mean, look, this is a lot of offensive
talent was added in this draft. They went offense heavy
in rounds one and two. They got went back to
offense in round five. They get a lot of talent.
Like you said, they got the Auburn receiver who's incredibly fast.
They get Trey Harris, who, like you said, has a
big body, which is something they kind of need because

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Live McConkey is the slock guy. And then they get
a Mario and Hampton who you know, you you weren't
as high on him. I think he was kind of
a fringe first rounder for me, and I like him
a lot. I think he's got some athleticism. I think
he's got some shiftiness, so he he fills into this
backfield nicely. I think he's gonna start over Najie Harris,
and I think they're going to compliment each other well.

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So I think it's gonna be a very interesting team
for the Chargers next season. And I think they did
get better. And yeah, overall I kind of liked what
they did. I think I would have liked a little
more or help in the secondary rather than a sixth
and seventh round pick at safety. But overall, I think
they did decent.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, I also think those guys might just be special
team guys, you know. But yeah, I mean, yeah, but
you're correct there. But you know, what are you gonna
do with the chips forward they do? Yeah, I mean
it's interesting to Hampton thing. So, like I guess the
question was, you know, they signed Naji Harris. I think
we all kind of thought that, okay, that's a solid

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running back one, Like, you're good there. I think it's
interesting because Harris and Hampton, it feels like both part
of their value is that they can be out there
like a ton of snaps. But maybe that's part of
the logic is let's get two sort of physical players
and just keep them fresh.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I don't think it's a bad strategy. You know, let's see,
you know, I think anytime you can kind of ease
up a running backs workload and you know, be ready
for them to ramp up in January, I think it's
a good thing to happen. You know, I think that
the the running back conversation over the last year so
has become very interesting because of the Saquon Barkley thing.
But I think the fact of the matter is if

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you don't have a Saquon Barkley type player, the strength
is in numbers at in the backfield, right. You know,
even if you draft a running back in the first round,
which you know, you could debate the merits of that,
I think just having the strength in numbers and being
to rotate those guys in and out. You know, a healthy,
one hundred percent healthy running back is better than or
two one hundred percent healthy running backs is way better

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than one eighty percent running back who's not in the
league guy. So I think having that option is I
think very good for them and it should help.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, and if you are going to be a team
to draft the running back in the first round, you
better be a team that runs the ball a lot.
And that's what the charges are.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah. Yeah, they definitely set the tone there. You know,
they love to playoff play action too, and so yeah,
I think I think it's gonna work.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah. Any thoughts on like the the Trey Harris and
KeAndre Lambert Smith adding some some weapons here. I think
I don't know if I'm expecting Trey Harris to be
a star here, but I think there's you know, you're
out bodies to a week of room. I think it's smart.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, And not to mention, they're adding vertical bodies, which
is something they didn't have last season. Like this team
really struggled to stretch the field at times. I mean,
they did off of play action stuff because that's just
the way the scheme worked. And now they're getting guys
who it feels like they could really capitalize on that too.
So if they're able to run the ball a whole bunch,
they got guys that can beat him over the top
as well. And they got Justin Herberw's got one of

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the best arms in the league. So I do like
that overall.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, I agree. Let's move on to the other team
that drafted a running back in round one, the Raiders.
Kyle who uh with the Ashton Genty also jack back
Kyle this over to middle, you know, running the ball
and then running these play actions and slant routes over
to middle with Jack Beck, Jacoby Myers, Brock Bowers, we
know Geno Smith can get him the ball and that's

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gonna be tough to stop.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, I mean they have guys that seem like they
can work that intermittent field very well. I like becking
this scheme a whole lot, and Gino Smith, like you said,
he's gonna be very good in those situations as well.
So it's gonna be very interesting to see. You know,
I'm interested to see what they do for Gent's workload
starting day one. Is he gonna be just kind of
the workhorse of this offense? I could see it. But yeah,

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very exciting times for the Raiders because I do think
they got better on the offense of the ball, and
they're gonna be infinitely more exciting I think than they
were by the end of last season. And so yeah,
I like the talent. I like some of the talent
they have, even though like there's not like a quote
unquote star at receiver between Rock Bauers and Ashton gen
T that's a really fun group and then they got

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a couple of nice complimentary receivers, so I can't hate
it at all.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, I mean Bowers is the star, but obviously he's
not a receiver. Yeah, I agree, I mean the downside
is like they still I still think I would like
this offense a little bit more if they had, like
just a guy I trust that I'm gonna go on
the outside, right, Like, I don't know who that guy
is in this situation. Maybe Jacobi Myers, you can do
it a little right, But like you're saying, no, I just.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Don't think that's their skill set. No, they they definitely,
I mean we'll see, you know, this team definitely needs
something on that spot. But overall, like they clearly have
a plan to play a certain style of football that
maybe a little old school, but I still think it
could be a little exciting based on the playmakers they have.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah. Yeah, and I mean listen, I ultimately, like, again,
if you're gonna draft a running back, okay, we'll build
off of that, have a you know, have this be
kind of your scheme. And like I don't know if
the Raiders, I don't know what they're gonna be next year,
but they're gonna be great at something. And that's not
something we could say, I don't know for the past
twenty years.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean it's definitely something that's taken
a while to get here. So you know, it's gonna
be very fun. I think this offensive line could be
pretty good next season as well. And so yeah, they're
gonna have that. They're gonna have gent I mean they
even got most there behind them too. Who's a good
backup running back? Like this team's gonna establish the ground
game and kind of build off that.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, also drafted two quarterbacks. It seems like ones maybe
gonna actually play quarterback. The other isn't, So that's that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, I mean we'll see. I you know, I liked
I don't know what's gonna happen with that, honestly, but
you know, we'll see what happens there. I didn't get
enough tape on Cam Miller and Tommy Malotte honestly. Okay,
we'll see how it works out for them. And then obviously,
you know, in our mock draft, I had Darian Porter
in the first round. He's a guy I really like
in this draft. I think he's going to be very exciting.

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He has the physical profile that is so tantalizing. It's
a one year Wonder situation, but that could be a
great Bilow candidate.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, well, the Raiders look at the look at the Raiders,
things and things are looking up, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Big time draft, big time draft.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Indeed, Yes, let's move on to the final team of
this division, the Denver Broncos, who did not Well. Every
team is working on running the ball well, they're working
on defending the pass well. So I think someone already
brought up in the chat. Well, maybe that's unfortunate for
the Broncos that every team in the division is focused
on running the ball. But okay, the head of the
division is all the Chiefs. That's the team you have

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to focus on. They obviously passed the ball well. The
Bronx Jotty Baron with picked twenty one of the more
fun picks of this draft. I thought, like, I think
he's he's really good. I'm just gonna be honest. Some
weird picks here in the mix. They did draft the punter.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
They drafted R. J. Harvey, who I know you really liked.
I wasn't as crazy about. But pick sixty was just
a bit bit early for me. Projected to go one ten,
Pat Bryant projected to go one to sixty two. They
get him at seventy four. So some uh, some some
ones where I'm I need a little bit more uh,
you know, more exploit I need a little bit more
more explanations here. In fact, again looking at the Consensus

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big board, every single one of their picks other than
Johnny Baron was projected to go significantly later then they
ultimately selected them. But I do like a Johnny barn
pick a lot, and we'll see how the other ones go.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, I mean that's a really good pick, and it
may and I think it kind of just ended up
the draft kind of broke into that was their best
player available, so they took it. Sort of situation they
didn't really need the bizz, but they addressed it anyways,
so I think it worked out for them. Yeah, I
mean I liked R. J. Harvey a lot, and as
a UCF guy, I think it kind of worked. But
at the same time, I think part of it was

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I still think that's a bit of a reach and
the Pat Bryant won as a reach, but I think
that's also could be in Sean Payton. I trust thing
when it comes to receivers, so we'll see. But yeah,
I think overall the first pick was awesome. The rest
of the picks definitely leave some questions, but I think R. J.
Harvey is exciting, man, Like, you know, I think he's
going to be someone that they really needed in this

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backfield because this is a team that probably should run
the ball more and they didn't really have the options
back there last season, so hopefully they can add that
to their game this year.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, let me play Devil's advocate. I suppose which is
for bon Knicks. You know, last year did Broncos. I
think they were like first or second in defensive points
per drive a lot against, but they really struggled. I
would say they really struggled offensively, but that was kind
of their They were enough on offense with if they're
good path protecting offensive line, bow Knicks and Sean Payton

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scheming things up, but it still felt like, can we
get more downfield for a game with Buffalo when now
guys aren't getting open? If this team plays a Buffalo
or a Kansas City or Baltimore, are we just gonna
see the same thing where our defense can keep them
in at but their offense ultimately can't get opened consistently
enough to stay competitive through four quarters.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Probably? Yeah, I mean that's that's probably what's gonna happen,
unless we see one of these receivers take a leap
or bo Nicks take another leap. So yeah, I think
that's definitely what's gonna happen at this point. But you know,
I guess it really kind of just depends on their
evaluation process. You know, Matthew Golden was a popular receiver
pick that was three after their first round pick, and

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you know, was that someone they could have gone for.
Could they have gone for more explosiveness in that regard?
You know, I think RJ. Harvey is definitely an explosive players,
so that's you know, does kind of fit that bill,
but he's not a receiver, so they need some that
could stretch the field, and for whatever reason, they didn't
really value that in the first part of this draft
because even the receiver they got is not like an
explosive player.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, yeah, but we'll see, I mean we'll see, and hey,
you have Bonex for a while. This is not a
you know, you don't need to win the Super Bowl
next year, so maybe just trying to continue to move
in the right direction. But let's move on. Let's go
to the AFC South. Now, let's go to Indianapolis Colts. Again,
not the most explosive draft to talk about. I think
this might be one of the least talked about drafts

(38:31):
because they kind of just did like the smart thing
of you know, drafting Tyler Warren with pick number fourteen
when he fell to them. Who even me, who was
a touch lower on Warren than most people, I still
like had him as like a top fifteen prospect. So like, yeah,
I think he's really good. I think that this is
a you know, the right move filled a position of need. JT.

(38:53):
Tmula Lao, Kyle. These names are just it's tough. It's
tough as a non college football fan China. They always
my previously have to pronounce every name that got drafted
in the first round. It's or in the entire draft,
not just the first round. It's hard. But yeah, again,
not the flashiest draft, but I think ultimately a pretty
good one.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, I'm a big fan of this draft. Obviously, Warren
was my number one pass catcher in our preview podcast,
and he was the second tight end taken. So I
understood the Loveland hype because he's huge and kind of
fits the bill of what you know, Ben Johnson was
looking for. But I think Warren is just such a
playmaker getting him at fourteen does feel like a very

(39:34):
very good pick. I think that's a great first pick.
I also like Tuli Molou and yeah, I think he's
a really good run defender. I think he brings a
lot to the table. I think he still has a
long way to go to produce as an edge rusher,
but he is a huge guy at the position, and
I think he's really going to be successful as well.
So I like those first two round picks, and overall,

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I don't think they did a bad job whatsoever. So
I can't hate this pick at this drapped at all.
And you know, I think the overall they did a
pretty good job.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah. The only real question mark I have was a
Justin Waaley pick projected to go one eighty six. They
got him at eighty. I was, you know, reading about
him because I didn't do a deep dive. Seems like,
you know, uh, like the read up is essentially well,
he's not a great athlete, and I'm looking at his
production and he didn't have great production, So I'm not
exactly sure what the logic is there. But ultimately as

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a whole, again, I'm not gonna quiple too much with
pick eighty.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, I mean, if that's your work, if that's your
only bad pick, that's fine. I Mean, they got DJ Ginns,
who was a very good running back last season, So
that's another player that they could add to this Arsenal
you know, not a Riley Leonard guy, but they brought
him in here. He you know, kind of fits the
Anthony Richardson bill in some ways. So yeah, I think
it's a overall not a bad fit there, and yeah,

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I think they have some pieces for next season.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah. Well, let's move on to the team that hopefully
has had the biggest impact in this draft for them,
the Titans, whoso left cam Ward first overall, who we
all kind of said this is the one quarterback draft.
Well some said two quarterback draft, but most of us
said it's a one quarterback draft. The NFL certainly Kiper,
Yeah right, yes, we didn't even touch on that. You know,

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they drafted cam Ward. It's an a plus, like that's
all the other stuff we can talk about. But they
did the right thing there.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I mean, how it turned this draft will be remembered
by that pick, because either it's going to be a
terrible draft because he's bad, or a great draft. I mean,
I mean we can get in some of the other ones,
Like I like Ao manor, I don't think that's bad
value in round four. I like on our helm in
certain ways, I don't think that's bad value in round four.
You know, you can go up and down this draft
and say I kind of like this guy, kind of
don't like this guy, whatever, But all that matters is

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the quarterbacker or not, because if he's good, the Titans
have their franchise change for the next ten to fifteen years.
If he's bad, then they're probably going to be closer
to the number one pick again for the next few years.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Right, Yeah, that's basically basically. I mean, I don't know
how do we view I guess it's weird where if
we've taught we knew this was gonna happen forever, so
it's almost like not worth talking about. But how do
you think it's gonna happen? What do you think is
gonna happen this year? I mean offensive line should be okay, right,
they didn't they put you know, say what you want
about the Dan Moore junior contract, but it's he's a

(42:19):
fine tackle who will help them, you know how.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
J C.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Latham as the tackles. Kevin Zeitler came over. That's a
good signing. Lloyd Kushen Barry and Peters Koransky that's okay, Okay,
those are five start five guys who belong in the
NFL as starting players, right, which they could not say
that at all last year. I don't know if it's
a loaded receiving core. But again there's some pieces here,
like what are we thinking for cam Ward year one?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Uh, it's interesting. You know, I think people kind of
viewed this as like a terrible situation for a quarterback
going into the year, And you know, I don't think
it's as bad as like people think all of a sudden.
I mean, they still need better production out of J. C. Latham,
they need better production out of Cushion Berry at center.
But obviously, like you said, they brought in a couple

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guys who I think are pretty good. They have a
guy in Scorronsky who I think is getting better. And
then I mean, I think the pass catching options aren't
too bad either. You know, I think I got Calvin
Ridley kind of had a I would say, under the
radar kind of bounce back season. I mean I thought
he started to look like the older Calvin Ridley in
a lot of ways back in this this past season,

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and he looked like a guy who could be a
number one receiver in the future, and you know, they
had him. I thought Tony Pollard had a really nice
season two as a thousand yard rusher. They get a
veteran in Tyler Lockett, who I think is very friendly
to quarterbacks just because he finds ways to get open
in a lot of ways. So I think all of
that's going to kind of help. Is my expectations like

(43:44):
sky high for this team and like this offense, no,
but you know, I think it's a pretty it's a
decent situation for a quarterback to be in. It's no
longer a disaster. So that's what I'm That's what I'm
interested in.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
How do you think you feel when you're like, well,
lavis and like not to say, like, listen, he did
not do himself a ton of favors last year, but like, uh,
it's like, you you know, okay, it's like, Okay, it
didn't work out. They're gonna draft the guy ahead of me.
I'll have to be a backups that's the worst. And
they're like, oh, Dan Moore, whatever, money it takes. Please
come here and help out our next quarterback. You go like, well,
what was I why? Why don't you do it for me?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I mean how do you feel?

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I mean, where's our guy for a Panther's hate? How
do you feel if you're Bryce Young? Just seen the
last couple of seasons. You know, the Bears knew all
off season they were taking Caleb Williams last year didn't
quite work out year one, but they put a lot
of resources into that last season to make it a
lot better situation and continue to put a lot of
resources in it. And you know the Titans in year
one right away are immediately putting resources into this offense

(44:43):
to try and make it better for a better situation
for cam Ward and Bryce on Stills throwing to Adams Deeling.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, Oh, I don't know, Kyle. I think Bryce Young,
I think the Panthers have done everything perfectly. I have
no notes when it comes to own. They're just they
do everything right.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Answers of the playoffs this year? Is that your prediction?

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Playoffs? We're talking to super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah? Back baby, here we go. All they needed was
Ted McMillan, just the it was the final piece to
the puzzle. Everything has fallen into place now.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah. Uh, Michael, the Panthers fanas either celebrating or down
in dumbs. I think he's I think he's I remember
he was saying no Jaylen Walker at pigates. I bet
he's at least somewhat happy. Uh, But we don't need
to speculate on what our Panthers fan thinks of that, Kyle.
Let's move on to the Texans, who are the last
team in the AFC stuff talked about because talked about

(45:34):
the Jaguars at the top of the show. You know, Uh,
Jayden Higgins and Jalen Knowle those that's a I think
good to address the wide receiver position and the expect
them to address it address it that strongly. But this
could be a team that could really pass well on
the outside as long as they have time to do so.
They did draft Ariante uh Essery uh in the mid

(45:55):
middle of the second round, so like you know, they
also got Jaylen Smiths. They got a d in, a
Jalen in another Jalen that's interesting and wait, no another
this is the all Jalen draft. But yeah, Kyle, what
was your thoughts on the Pexans all Jalen draft.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, then the name Jalen is just completely taken off.
It's one of the most pops. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Anyway, I don't know, I didn't notice this when I
did my I didn't review. I think I was just
so tired after doing like thirty two reviews in one weekend.
Like I didn't even notice all the Jalens.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, a lot going on here with that. But yeah,
the Jaden's and Jalen's in this draft. I like the
draft overall. They got some explosiveness. They you know, recruit
Iowa States receiving room, which is interesting. But yeah, I
think it was a I think it overall was a
pretty good draft. Like you said, they kind of addressed
what they needed to write. This was a no nonsense thing.

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They needed some receiver help.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
There's you know, I think there was people who really
liked s Ray, but it always seemed like he was
kind of just like, oh, yeah, he's the next tackle,
first tackle, the second round should be him sort of situation.
And they get him in the second round. I think
there's a chance he's a pretty good player too. So,
you know, they address their offensive knees, which is definitely
what they needed more than defense going into this season,
So I can't complain about the strategy of this draft.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, like Brandon in the chat saying that Texans draft
grade is jay, yes, that is that is definitely true.
Uh yeah, I mean I agree. I think again, the
criticism of like should you have not traded Laramie Hussell
is still like gonna be kind of here because like,
I do feel better about this team if they have

(47:31):
a tackle like andjust here, but like, I don't know,
there are some offensive linemen that are should be okay,
if Eseri can can play, okay, I guess him and
Cam Robinson, Okay, I mean I don't want to see
Fisher out there too much. Like I think him and
Cam Robinson are probably the guys there. There's something there.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
There's something there, but obviously it's still a hypothetical something
because it is a you know, we haven't seen these
guys play in the NFL all that much, so I
mean we've seen Cam Robinson, we know what Cam Robinson is,
but Ezer is obviously something. And yeah, this was not
a strong offensive line last season outside of Tunnel, so
it's got to earn our trust.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, Kyle, let's go to your team, the New England Patriots,
a team that you know. So someone already alluded to
it in the chat that they did make my seven
losers list. But I don't hate every pick here. Kyle
Williams is one of my favorite picks in this draft class.
But ultimately, I think the biggest reason why our losers
is just there was the hope that one of the

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top three prospects been falling a four that ultimately didn't happen.
I've got a bit two special teams happy later later
on in the draft for my taste as well. But
some picks, I like Braden Swinston I think is a
great value at one forty six, So like, yeah, I
think I think a bit of an up and down draft.
And I was just lower on Will Campbell than most,
But I'm assuming you're higher on it than I am,
and I'm not. There were some good picks I like,
but I'm assuming you're higher on it than I am.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I like the draft. I'm excited for the draft in
what happened like overall, you know, like at.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
The end of the day, like I was seeing, like
Krrance says, I've never seen Kyle this angry Kyle about
to start throwing your hands. Yeah, Kyle, you are clearly livid.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Livid. Look, I think it was a I think it
was a good draft. I think they very much had
a plan going into this draft. I saw a bunch
of a pluses and all that, like winners of the draft,
best draft overall, and I don't know about that. You
know overall though, like Will Campbell was my second tackle,
I think he was your third tackle. But I had
my three tap tackles in this draft in the top fifteen,

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So it is it a bit of a reach for me? Yeah,
But at the same time, I don't think it's an
outlandish thing to say Will Campbell was our top tackle
and that's what we wanted at this position. I thought
it was fine overall. I would have probably still have
preferred Memboo. But at the same time, I get it.
It's gonna be very interesting to see how that plays out.
They clearly really like him. I think the one thing

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I really liked about this draft is they clearly with picks,
their second and third picks. Well, I think the Henderson
wants a bit of a reach. They clearly he had
a desire and I think if you watched this Patriots
team last season, it's very clear they needed some explosiveness
in their offense. This offense was way too slow, way
too just not creating enough big plays whatsoever. And they

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got debatably the most explosive running back in the draft
and debatably the most explosive receiver in the draft. Kyle
Williams can absolutely fly. He has some great separation metrics.
He is, you know, just you know Jack of All.
You know, he's gonna be an awesome weapon. I think
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I realize now Kyle Williams is gonna be awesome. When
I was talking him up during the draft evaluation, You're like,
I don't know, it seems it seems like you're a
bit high on him. But now, oh, now you're just
a repeating what I said.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I liked him, I just didn't know how much I
liked it. But yeah, I mean I think he is
obviously explosive. I think he's got a chance. And then Henderson,
I mean, look the you know Henderson, if you watched
his freshman year, you would have said this was absolutely
a first round pick running back. If you watched the
other years, I think it got a little bit worse.
But at the same time, he is in credit explosive

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you average seven years per carry his senior year in
kind of a secondary back role, and he could he
could take a house call on any play. So yeah,
I think getting those two guys and saying let's get
explosive on offense, let's get some big play threats here,
was important. And so yeah, I think those are fine overall.
I like the drafts. Like you said, I think the
Swinston pick is one of the best value picks of
this draft for any team, And I thought that was

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a really good one. And then you know, they got
a kicker, which I thought was important too because they're
kicking sucked.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yeah, I mean there's some things I'm just like I'm
not crazy about. Like I'm not crazy by drafting running backs.
I'm not crazy about drafting kickers, not because kickers aren't valuable,
but because they just don't always work out when you
go to draft them. But like, I'm not always crazy
by drafting long snappers Eater Kyle, just my opinion, but
the uh, you know, uh, but ultimately, like whatever, Okay,

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if you're if you're the drafting long snapper, if they're
sixth to last pick in the draft back drafted a
special teams guy and the last pick in the draft.
Those are fine, Uh, is a drafted Like Like that's
the weird thing about doing the Loser's List of the
draft is most teams are smart and make mostly good decisions.
Like That's that's why it's hard to come up with seven.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, and like I continue to say, I you know,
as I said earlier, I think the gap between player
thirty and player footy in this draft was so small
that like I can't even hate the Will Campbell picked
that much because, like, you know, if your evaluation was
just a little bit higher, Will Campbell's probably as hot
five pick compared to what I had. So, you know,
it's just it's just one of those things that it's

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a preferential thing.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, they're part of wider Losers. It was completely out
of her control of just what the first three teams dead.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, I mean they couldn't.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Joe Milton is wider losers.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Maybe, yeah, pretty much, and then they traded him, so, uh,
you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, exactly. No, there there's punny reasons to be excited.
I don't want I don't want to hurt your excitement.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, it's still you know, it's still a wait and
see situation. I'm not gonna like go buy a triviue
on Henderson Jersey, but you know, I do want to
see him on the field. I think he could be fun.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah. Yeah, it's gotta get the Kyle Williams Jersey instead.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, let's move on. Three teams left to talk about
the rest of the AFC East. Let's go to Buffalo
Bills getting Maxwell Harriston, who Okay, that's just the We're
gonna play the Chiefs in the playoffs and we want
to be able to beat them pick right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I mean it feels like that they needed a player
in that position, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
We're corner to play it. You know, total does nothing
to do with us playing the Chiefs there twice a.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Year, right, exactly. You know, we kind of had that
one nailed in the mock draft. Obviously. I think i'd
picked Darian Porter, who is just someone I am very
high on. But at the same time, this team definitely
needs a corner and they got one that they really
liked and that a lot of people really liked, and
like you said, he can absolutely fly. So he should
be able to fit this team.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
We have a comment saying, do you guys think Arizona
is a playoff team? I would have to really go
through it and do my eviuation, but I could definitely
see it. I think they have playoff potential.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, I think I said that after free agency, I
think is a path th them making the playoffs. You know,
I think some of the teams in front of them
got worse, and I think they also got better. So
I'm excited to see what Arizona can do.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, but for the Bills. Other than the I think
Harrison pick, which again, he's a player I really liked.
I don't remember if if you think you maybe we're
a little lower on him. Maybe I was just higher
on him the most I forget. But uh, A lot
of other picks, like Okay, t J. Shanders should be
a good interior guy for them for however many snaps
we'll see like see a thing of Dean Walker. Lanna

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Jackson should be able to play off the edge for
some snaps. It's like just a lot of contributors here.
It's oh, it's almost kind of similar to how the
Chiefs operate right where it's just like, yeah, these guys
are going to play some snaps here.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, and this team does draft pretty well at defense, especially,
and they loaded up with defensive prospects early. So you know,
it's kind of one of those things like in them
at trust sort of situations. I do like TJ. Sanders,
and you know, I think I think there was a
lot of people that like Landon Jackson is kind of
like an analytics guy, so I think that could be

(54:59):
a pretty good vie you pick as well. So I think,
you know, overall, top to bottom, I think it's a
pretty solid draft, and you know, I kind of just
trust his team to do his developmental thing at this point.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, I don't remember Ella Jackson with danielsgar maybe the
opposite of it, but he was. He was the guy
who but he's two hundred and eighty pounds as an
edge rusher, so that's like the what are you? What
are you? He's a weird body type, but was a
really good run defender and still had some decent pass
rush metrics. So it you just see someone you're gonna
have to figure out how to use.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, and maybe he moves inside and I don't think
that's necessarily a bad thing either, because I think interior
pass rushing could still be a valuable trade as well.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, uh yeah, it's it's it'll be interesting. Let's move on.
Two teams left. Let's go New York Jets, who get
your tackle one, my tackle two armand membo uh second
tackle off the board. Mason Taylor, who's kind of more
of a developmental uh tight end here. Also get uh
asante Ezeveriah Thomas uh So who was a corner a

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lot of people liked as well, and good value. You
can him in round three. So yeah, this is a
just a really good, really good draft by the Jeff.
They did draft Arian Smith, who was projected to go
to seventy four, picked one to ten, but ultimately again
every now that those picks work out, but they're always
weird when they happened. Uh, you know, I think think
that you know, I've liked their first pick, and I

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think that the other two picks are players that are
at least decent value there.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, just reading the PFF bid on Arian Smith, he
earned a fifty seven point one PFF grade with ten
drops on forty eight receptions. So probably not what you're
looking for.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
You know, But is this is this a Tim Boyle situation.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I mean, I think he's young. I think the whole
thing is that he's a you know, incredible athlete and
they're gonna hope that they turn him into receiver.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Well snatcha.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
But there are some people who love Mason Taylor. And
I thought he was fine, Like I wasn't like in
love with him or anything, but like, you know, there
is people who were like saying he's a first round
player and all that kind of stuff. I still think
he has some development to go, like you said, but
I could kind of see the vision for it. But yeah,
it's just like so maybe that is a good pick.
We'll see how it works out. But yeah, membu is

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I think a really good player. And you know, they've
gone tackled the last two years in the first round
and they've gotten my favorite tackle of the draft in
the last two first rounds as well, So you know,
I kind of think that Jets could be kind of
nasty on the offensive line next season with those two guys.
I really like the two tackles they got. Developmentally, and
you got to give these guys some time, give them
some patience, but I think they could have a very

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good draft with those two guys.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, it's some variation of the stoppable force and the
immovable object of the Jets tackle situation being really good
and justin Field loving to hold on to the ball,
like what's gonna happen, what's gonna win.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
It's never gonna look good for a young tackle when
your quarterback holes the ball for five seconds and you
get blamed for the sack. That's the issue that they're
gonna run into. But if you're patient with these two,
I mean, they got two of the best athletes in
the last two drafts at their positions, and I think
they could both be awesome.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah, and not to mention like Joe Tipman, John Simpson
and Elijah Verra Tucker on the inside like it's like
not like they're only going to tackle, Like no, this
this could be. This could be one of the best
offensive lines in the league next year if if Alu
Fashan who continues to develop and Membu develops.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yep. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of intrigue there
and I think they could do a very good job
for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I think that that is an overall very good draft
for the Jets. But you know this team I still
think has a long way to go.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah, let's go to the final team to talk about
the Miami Dolphins. Who you know, Uh, it was a
draft to get meaner, right, to get more physical kind
of Grant should certainly do that. They also got Jonah
I'm not going to say his last name in the
second round. Who you know. I totally get what the
Dolphins are doing. I think my question is could they

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have still maximized value? Could they have just maybe I
don't know, signed a me guy off the street? Right?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Is this the exact way you want to do this?
Because you know, again, Grant was projected to go kind
of towards the end of the first round, not quite
end of the first round, but twenty fourth on the
CONTUS big board. They get him at thirteen the offensive line,
they get projected gout at the end of the second round.
They get him at the beginning of the second round.
So picks that like they kind of needed to make.
But also my question is just could they have gotten

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more value?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I definitely think they could have asked if they could
have gotten more value? For sure, I don't necessarily hate
the picks overall. I think it's a little crazy. This
team didn't get any secondary help after what they lost
this season and this whole Jalen Ramsey thing going on,
and I think they waited till what round five before
they added anybody in the secondary. Yeah, so I think

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that is a risky proposition for sure, and something that
they're gonna have to figure out going forward. But maybe
they just had different different grades on some of these
guys early in the rounds too, So you know, depends
on how your draft board breaks, I guess. Well, but yeah,
I think that they they clearly had a plan to

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boost the interior, boost their line of scrimmage and hope
that works out, but yeah, I think that they still
needed some help on the fringes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yeah, it's it's it's fascinating. I don't know. Again, I
don't know exactly what we're doing. If we're we're the
Dolphins right now, They're just they're in a weird spot.
Uh So, I mean, again, if these picks work out,
it could work, But it kind of feels like we're
you know, it's a you have a maybe this is me.
It almost feels like you have a bucket and you're
scooping the water out of the boat when there's like

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ten holes in it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, and yeah, I mean, I just I don't know.
It could have been just a situation where they wanted
to address a few things. I don't know, but like, yeah,
it just feels like this team's moving in the wrong direction.
And maybe this draft is just a small microcosm with that,
but it just feels like that they haven't really addressed
everything they needed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Yeah, but the end of the day, it's like the
contracts are already there, you might as well, I guess, just
go with it and see if you can make it
like it's it's still better to have the water out
of the boat if you could scoop it out. So
I guess, like, I don't know, I get it. I
don't know if I would have done anything differently, but like,
I just don't think i'd be that excited if I'm
a Dolphins fan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be too too excited with this
draft or this team honestly. But maybe maybe maybe they
bounce back and two is healthy and they look awesome
next season. You know, you never know, they got Quinn
you or so maybe they addressed backup quarterback too. We'll see,
you know, it's a whole lot of speculation at this point,
I guess the only one. Like as far as skill

(01:01:30):
position goes, like Alli Gordon could actually be a pretty
interesting sleeper in this draft, Like everything went wrong at
Oklahoma State last season, but he had like seventeen hundred
yards the year before, Like there is a chance he's
actually kind of awesome. And that's like a steal at
round six too, so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Also, can I talk about the Quinn Youers thing, because like,
so first off, I feel it kind of came off
like a Quinn Yours hater. During deep I kept like,
well because it just I don't think he was a
great college quarterback. But I oh, I mean he did
an things, but I don't think he's like he's not
gonna be a Day one player in the NFL. I
guess it's how I would say it. But like, I
do think there's enough talent there to like I would

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have probably drafted him before a lot of the other
guys that went ahead of him. But also like why
did Dolphins Why are they obsessed with drafting like developmental backups?
Like why why are they just incapable of just getting
like a decent like especially when winder quarterback is like
not a like talented, like you know, a freak athlete
at all. Like you know, he's he's all about like

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quick processing, like that's his his skill set, and it
is refused to every turn do anything but Zach Wilson
or Quinn Ewers you know, Tyler Huntley, Like what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah, I don't hate the idea of Quinn yours at
all at that pick, especially because you know he the
prospect level he was. I think there is some serious
arm talent potential there. He has an incredibly quick release.
There are things there. But he was in maybe the
most friendly offense in college football and still made things

(01:03:04):
look difficult at times. And I think that's the thing
you have to be concerned about. I personally think Steve
Sarcusian might be the best play caller in all of
football and NFL and college And yeah, I think the
fact that you know it, I don't think there is
a person who could have made it easier. And not
to mention, we talked a lot about these receivers for Texas.

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You know, obviously Bond and Matthew Golden or two guys.
Matthew Golden goes in the first round all that kind
of stuff. So yeah, and Kelvin Banks is obviously a
great tackle. He had a really good situation I think overall,
and then all of a sudden we're stuck in a
situation where you know it's gonna be a lot harder
for him going forward, and he's still got a long
way to go developmentally.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yeah, which I don't hate. I just think it's a
weird fit with Miami. Like the same Tyler Huntley as
brings up, It's like, I like Tyler Huntley, but just
it's a weird fit in Miami. It's yeah. But Kyle,
those are the thirty two two or those are not thirteen.
Those are the sixteen teams in the AFC. Next week
we will do the NFC. The following week we will
be off. I will be on my honeymoon, so I

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will not be doing a podcast that week. But Kyle
the Chat is wanting us to talk about Melkuiper. Let's
do a quick mel Kuiper. I mean, so you know,
I'm very busy during draft night. Obviously I'm making videos. Also,
my Internet went down in the middle of the draft night,
just to make things worse, so I had to, you know,
deal with that. But ultimately I didn't listen. I kind

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of half listened sometimes I did. At one point, I
think after the Steelers drafted, heard mel Kuiper say something
or someone said something along a long lines up. But
I don't know what's happening, but it can't be football
related like already like after like twenty picks when he
hasn't been selected. So yeah, quite the meltdown mel Kiper had. Kyle,
I'm assuming you heard more of it. What were your
thoughts on the Melkiper of it all?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
So I was flipping back and forth honestly, like I'm
not a big like draft watcher.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
I just okay, you know, I get the draft phone,
get updates.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah, I can get the updates when I need him.
Like there's just me personally, you know. If you like
the draft, like the draft, that's fine. I don't get
the TV aspect of it. I would prefer to watch
actual sports. And it's tough because the draft is on
during like playoff basketball time now, so I'm gonna be
watching basketball over that. But I'll check the updates, see

(01:05:24):
the draft stuff, see who gets picked where anything. Every
time I flipped over to ESPN though they're talking about
shud Or Sanders and mel Kiper is losing his mind
because apparently I didn't even see his big board mock
draft whatever. Apparently he had him like tenth or something
on his big board.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
I think he was number one quarterback on his big board.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
It was something like that. So yeah, he had him,
and yeah, so every time it came back, it was
just mel Kuiper losing his mind that like, this guy
is gonna make everybody look foolish. You know, this guy
is going to prove everyone wrong, all YadA, YadA, yea,
and it's just like all right, man, Like it just
became a point where it's like we get how you feel,

(01:06:06):
and like, yeah, he's gonna have to prove everyone wrong,
I guess, and that's that's kind of the gist. But yeah,
he was, uh, he was going a little ballistic about it.
So you know, it is interesting because like I do
think like having listened to him and Todd McShay obviously
over all these years, and there's now obviously draft guys everywhere.

(01:06:28):
You know, draft guys are you know, make their own
channels now at this point, I don't know if I've
seen a bigger disconnect between like a guy who is
an insider draft guy who obviously has sources with scouting
departments and all of that. I don't know if I've
seen a bigger disconnect from a draft guy like mel
Kiper to where a player was actually picked, right, Like,

(01:06:50):
these guys construct a lot of their mock drafts and
their big boards based on what they're hearing from scouts.
So I don't know where the disconnect was between mel
Kiper and his evaluation and everybody else in the NFL
stratosphere to where this happened. But yeah, he was, uh,
he was on it basically the entire draft, and like
I mean, he didn't have anything else to say. Expver
talked about it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, it's weird. I mean, like I don't know, I
don't know why, like because we kind of, I think
people like we're almost like I don't know, like like
second string media right of, like we kind of have
to listen to what people that are actually like on
the you know, in those rooms can kind of you
tell us, so we kind of know what the fans know.
But like, yeah, it's it's very bizarre that there was

(01:07:31):
such a disconnect. But it's some quarterbacks. I think there're
something that's hard to really predict. I'll say this too,
though clearly people are interested in it. I mean my
my video after round two, uh, when I just it
was like, so why hadn't should her standers been drafted?
It was just like eight minutes of being me being
basically like this is weird? Right? That has over fifty
thousand views. That was the most viewed video I made
the weekend. So I mean it's it's it was a

(01:07:53):
popular story, right, Like I get why he was interested
in it because a lot of people were interested in it,
but it still did feel like he went a little overboard.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely something that gets a lot
of clicks. Like I remember, I think Quincy Avery, the
quarterback coach. You know, I've seen his stuff in media
before too, and you know he has a lot of
high profile quarterbacks that he coaches in the NFL. You know,
I think he said something along the lines on a
podcast that if Chador's last name was Williams, he'd be

(01:08:20):
a six round talent. And I guess he was closer
to right than everybody else they on what we saw.
So you know, everyone had an opinion on Shador Sanders.
It just seemed like mel Kiper's was the most extreme
and loudest. Yeah, I will say it's kind of par
for the course for ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Yes, exactly, Wow, ESPN loud. I will say I went
back and did another I just did like another evaluation
of Shadar Sanders watching tape, and it's like it's a
weird thing where just how quarterbacks are. Like sometimes I'm like, yeah,
I don't think it's crazy to draft them in the
first round. Also don't think it's crazy not draft him
untal the fifth round. Like I kind of get both
just because of how weird quarterbacks are.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
If you wanted to nit pick Shador Sanders, you could,
and I think that was the reason. And because he
was the most probably the most talked about college football
player last season. I think he got nitpicked, and I
think that's fine. I think there are still things like
beyond even all that, there are still things that I
still really like about his game, Like I think this,
I think he's incredibly tough. I think he's got some

(01:09:17):
of those intangibles. I think he is accurate with the ball,
and there are things I really don't like about his
game that I don't think are gonna translate and thinks
he has to work through to get to the next level.
I think he holds onto it too long. I think
he tries to play hero too much. I don't think
he has like a you know, superb arm. I think
he runs himself into trouble more times than not. So

(01:09:39):
I think there are things he's definitely gonna have to
work on that clearly scared off a lot of teams,
because you know, no matter how bad your interviews are,
whatever it is, if you're talented, you're gonna get drafted
in the NFL. And I think him slipping is a
product of teams being scared off by some of his
his weaknesses that are clearly things he's gonna have to

(01:09:59):
be coached out of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah, we have someone in the chat saying, I think
he'll never play a game in a regular season or playoffs.
But weird, if he only played playoffs, Kyle will shoulder
Sanders start a game in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I'll say, yes, why not? All he needed one?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Yeah, I'll say it's probably probably at some point this year,
fans are gonna clamor for it. Unless unless I don't
think the only difference is unless still and Gabriel is
just better, or if he doesn't make the team, if
he's just not good enough to make the team at
a certain point, you almost just have It's Johnny Menzel
still started some games with Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator, right,
and you know he didn't want to do that like
it can be forced to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Yeah, I'll still say I think Johnny Manzel had more
of a chance than people to give him. Okay, think
Johnny Manzel's issues off the field were more problem than
Johnny Menzel's football talent.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Maybe. I mean, I think the off the field might
have turned into it. I remember I went back and
watched some of those games where I did a Kyle
Shanahan deep dive a handful of years ago. The worst
game I've ever seen play was Johnny Menzel game. I
forget which one it was, but it was just like
it was brutal. Yeah, I just yeah, I just think
it turned into he didn't work hard, Like I don't
think it was an issue of him having talent or not. Yeah, well,

(01:11:11):
hopefully should our standards, uh, you know, the hopefully it's
a bike up call. We'll see he were an act.
Are we excited? But the Lightning game? I you know,
the excited is not the word I would use.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
How to run postseason? Uh, I hate Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
I don't want I've never seen a team just like
like I've seen physical teams. I've seen teams injure other players.
That's just like all they do. Like I didn't realize
it was just like like this year. It's it's crazy
how how blatant it is. But whatever. Uh, you know,
that's not why we're losing, but it's just it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Yeah, that's just it's their thing, you know. They they
they want they toe that line. They have towed that
line better than a lot of teams over the last
few seasons and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Line I think I think they just realized that the
NHL doesn't really care about it, and so then they
just do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah. It's just one of those things. Teams are built
to play playoff hockey, and this team is built to
play playoff hockey.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's there's some uh, there's some interesting stuff,
but I don't know. We'll see. Hopefully the Leaves blow
a three all lead.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
That'd be really funny.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Yeah, that'd be of the course. Yeah. I was like
after Game four, I'm like, I want to watch hockey.
GAIN was so frustrated at the game, like the injuries
and all that stuff, the Florida fans cheering that Brandon
Hagel got injured. I was just so turned off by it.
And I see the Leafs are losing again. I'm like, Okay,
this is funny. I gotta watch I can't. I can't
not watch this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah, I can't miss that. So yeah, this team continues
to be awesome. You can't help it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
And I'm watching a lot of basketball too. I know
we're running along, but uh, the the basketball. It's been
a really fun postseason. I mean, the series have all
kind of stunk, but like the games have been really good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I'll think games have been really competitive, you know, if
they all end in five games whatever, you know. Yeah,
I think the games have been outside of the one
eight series, you know, obviously we got two fifty point
losses in those ones, I think all the games have
been actually really competitive. You know. I think this this
Piston's Nicks one has been awesome. The Clippers Nuggets, which

(01:13:11):
the Clippers just continue to be a hilarious franchise continues
to be awesome. I mean, even this game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
They can't do it alone.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
You know, Yeah, three of nine yesterday, so that worked out.
You know, those have been obviously the best two series.
But even like that Orlando team. You know that Orlando
teams just to pain in the ass, and like they
competed in every one of those games. It felt like
even though they until the third quarter of this game five,
but like you know, they were competitive in the series
even though it ended in five. I think all the

(01:13:39):
games have been really fun, this Minnesota Lakers series. I
think Minnesota is gonna win at this point, but you know,
it's been an entertaining games basically except for Game one,
So I can't I can't hate any of it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Yeah that that Game four, that was magic Celtics. That
was close and if it all Magic could have just
pulled it out. They still probably lose six, but it
felt it felt possible for a second there U Teatum,
which is too good. Tatum just he's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
He's gone up a level. I think he's an incredibly
smooth player. And yeah, I think that Boston. Boston's looks
really good. The only question for Boston at this point
is held because I don't think Jalen Brown looks right.
Drew Holliday obviously missed a few games, and that's gonna
be the big question for them going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
The magic we're really helping with that that team plays physical,
and I think that's theen The best part about the
NBA Playoffs is they're they're letting them play more physical.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
It feels like than they have in a very very
long time. These games feel hard, and I think that's
something that fans really enjoy watching.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
The fouls are still ridiculous, though, I still have to say,
like it does join me crazy how it feels like
every time someone drives to the revds of a foul.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
There's still a lot of complaining about it, like it's
not perfect, and I mean, it's a game that the
thing is is that the game plays so fast that
the slightest touch is going to send you flying right,
and you know these players are definitely not afraid to
embellish that contact either, so that doesn't olp. But at
the same time, like I think they have done a
very good job of allowing more contact in a safe manner,

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in an exciting manner at times. But yes, there's still
a lot of foul calls, and I mean the fouls
are actually up in the playoffs, but I think that's
because we're getting a lot more contact on these drives too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Yeah, it's it's interesting, but yeah, so so sports have
been fun, Kyle, that is our show. Let them know
we can find us on Twitter before we head out.
Did we do that already or no we haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Right, No, No, make sure to follow us on Twitter.
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Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Of course, if like audio only podcast anywhere, get your
podcast search on the Sideline podcast. It should be available there. Kyle,
I have a tweet that's gotten like over three hundred
likes that I tweeted today. It was which I ever like.
I don't like when people start commenting and it's annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yeah, I mean, some people are.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Nice and fun, but then there's there's the worst kinds
of people find it and for some reason a tweet
that was imagine pulling the ranks so bad your dad
has to pay one hundred grand and his boss has
to pay a quarter million and everyone online is mad
at you. Somehow people found a way to be annoyed
at that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Yeah, everyone's got to be a contrarian online. Nobody's happy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
That's fine, you know, we're happy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Yeah, that's still a crazy story. What a wild state
that on was too. I mean, all the layers to
this Sador Sanders thing is just wild. Yeah. What a
bonehead that kid is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Yeah, it's Kieran says views went up since we started
a hockey chat. That's true, that's weird. I don't know
why views are two more views now, but I don't
know what happened there. But yeah, and also it's funny
like uppearing like every other player in the draft also
got prank called, and like nothing is happening there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Uh yeah, I can't tell you. I don't know, man,
I didn't even follow up on the story. I just thought, oh,
that's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Yeah, there's there's like at least like three other instances
that have happened awesome, including a sixth rounder, which that's
just like horrible, like what if you went on drafted?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah then he yes, I remember that. Yeah, I don't
know was it all the same kid?

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
I don't think so. I think they said it's unrelated incidents.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah, it wasn't me, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Yeah, well well I don't know why. Why did you
feel you do you say that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Just to make sure clear the air that it was
not me. You can check my phone records.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Okay, okay, yes, can I or we do Paul tom
Brady and destroy it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, my phone's broken actually, so yeah, the window real fast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Yeah, thank you everybody for watching. We do appreciate. We'll
be back next week forty NFC and to talk about
the lightning Grade three one come back. Until then, have
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Peace,