Draft Recap: NFC Edition

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the On
the Sideline podcast of Jackson and Kyle. I am Jackson
and I'm joined here as always by the man who
knows you should never trade for a Steelers wide receiver, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Kyle, how's it going Doing pretty good? Yeah, the track
rack is not not great. Unlike this great sports month.
We have a lot of action going on and it's
been great stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, it has been every every night in the NBA
and NHL. It almos feels we're talking of football at
this point with all the other stuff going on.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, I mean, there's so much happening. It's a lot
of it's every night. It's been entertaining. Every afternoon's been entertaining.
I've I've had something to watch. It feels like every
day for like the last three weeks, and it's been amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah. With hockey, it's like, oh, you know, a team's
down three and then all of a sudden, it's one
goal game and all this stuff happening. Baseball's happening too,
I'm pretty sure I haven't checked.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, baseball is happening. Not too great for our teams,
specifically mine, but you know, we're we're grinding still early
in the season. Nothing to complain about yet, and you
know it's just it's been electric, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, well, Kyle, I should let everyone know at the
beginning of the show that there will be no show
next week. I will be on my honeymoon, so not
gonna be doing a show from that, but we will
be back in two weeks to do a show at
our normal time. I was thinking for next week, did
you or for two weeks? Did you want to do
the quarterback rankings?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Absolutely, let's let's rank them all of the starting quarterbacks.
Always a controversial show, so let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, okay, cool, So that's what we'll do in two weeks.
So everyone's been a lookout for that. Also, apologies for
coming at you from a little bit of a different time.
Sometimes we just have to do that. But yeah, let's Kyle,
we have a lot to talk about football. Why shall
we get into the NFC draft recap?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, yeah, let's get into it. You know, there's a
lot of interesting teams I thought this draft season and
you know, some good ones and then some questionable ones
in the NFC. So where are you going?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah? Watch you first see Zachary Stewart's and a lot
of super chat before the show started. Steelers should have
traded some fans to the Pirates, Kyle, do you think
they should have? What could the Pirates have traded back?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
And his nails?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Was that anything? But Paul Skins, He's like the only
thing left a value. And I guess the stadium too
nice stadium.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah maybe maybe just like some like I don't know,
let him like take like a trip there, just to
the state, like a weekend at the stadium.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, remember that one. Remember that one thing where they
had like the Skien's Rookie card and they were offering
like a lifetime supply of season tickets and then like
you could sit at a game with like Libby Dunn
or something like that. It was the most ridiculous thing
I ever heard.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I didn't hear about this.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah. Yeah, they had this whole like giveaway if you
found the Skien's Rookie card, and I think the person
turned it down.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, well yeah, tough time from Pirates. But Kyle, we're
not here to talk about that. Let's start the Cowboys.
Why don't we for our recap? Just because obviously the
news of the morning they traded for George Pickens, so
we can kind of talk about that as we talk
about this, but ultimately the Tyler Booker draft pick was weird.
Picking him at twelve. He was projected to be a

(03:54):
kind of an end of the first round type of guy.
I did to say I thought they got good value
in some of their other picks, like Donovan Azaraku getting
him at forty four I thought was good value. Chavon
Revel getting him in seventy six was great value, I thought,
and I had a ton of picks, so I didn't
love their first round selection. I do wonder if, like
maybe they thought Ted McMillan was going to fall to them,

(04:16):
given the fact that we see him now go out
and trade for a receiver. But I don't hate this
draft class. Although I didn't love the first pick.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I didn't love the first pick either. But it's also
one of those things where I think we've talked about
this before where I felt like, if if you get
if you said that they took Ezeraku in the first round,
it would have been a bit of a reach for me,
but it's not like an extreme reach. And then Booker
in the second round. I probably would have liked that
a bit more and been okay with it. So I
think they got good value with their second round pick,
and then I think it kind of evens out to where, Yeah,

(04:47):
I kind of like this draft. I think Jayden bluees explosive.
I think, you know, they got a bigger back to
in fil MafA, they got some depth at different positions,
and then two guys that I think could start for
this team right away in the first two rounds. You know,
this team has put a lot of resources in its
offensive line at this point, and I think it's been

(05:08):
some mixed results so far. They're gonna need some better
performance out of Tyler Geyiton this season, but this team
has done very well historically in those positions. Tyler Smith
is a good player. They're hoping Booker is going to
be in that position, And yeah, they obviously had a
need there and decided to address it right away.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, they now have three players under offensive line named
Tyler also a guy named Terrence.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, it's a bit too much for me. I don't
like that.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, this is it's very similar to Texan draft class.
What goes on there, you know, a good thing that
that's just like I mean, at that point you just
have to everyone's going better last name, right, there can't
be because the times there's like one person can be
Tyler and the other person can be like Geiton, you know.
But if there's four like the just you all often
go my last name to that.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Point, yeah, maybe maybe Tyler Smith keeps Tyler just because
not really an identifiable last name either, So maybe just
be for him and then everybody else has to go
by last name.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, I think. So what do you think of the
George Pickens trade? But it's it's weird. We're I think
if it was any other team we and it wasn't
George Pickens, we'd all be sitting here saying why is
he only getting a third round pick? He only has
one year left of control before he's become a free agent,
but still he's a twenty four year old. Really good
I think good number two. I would say, great number

(06:27):
two receiver who can play number one if needed, could
be a great player opposite ceedee Liam. But obviously the
track record of seems like steel The Steelers know when
to get rid of receivers. So what did you think
of it?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah? I mean it looks like good value from the
Cowboys perspective, I don't hate it at all. He's a
good outside receiver, you know, obviously he's got some interesting
decision making points that are I think played a big
part in it. Not to mention that he's going to
need a payday two, but yeah, I mean it's this
is just one of those things with the NFL that
I'll never understand, is it seems like teams want to

(07:03):
do the cost effective mood, maybe a year earlier, rather
than wait till like to get anything. And it's just like,
I don't know, I feel like picking should be worth
more than a third round pick, but it's like, yeah,
we're just jumping the gun on his contract and you know,
getting rid of him for what we can what we
can scrap for a one year deal basically. So it's
just one of those things that I think is just
a disconnect between me and the NFL for the value

(07:25):
of those things. But it seems like the value for
the Cowboys, like you said, the track record for Steelers
receivers going elsewhere is not good. That being said, uh,
maybe you know, I wouldn't even say Antonio Brown was
like a physically dominant receiver either, this may be like
the most physically impressive receiver that they've let go, right,

(07:46):
you know, between him Mike Wallace. What Wallace obviously had
the speed, but not quite as like strong and had
all of these intangibles that Pickens has. So he's got
the skill set that it feels like he could go
anywhere and be good. But we'll see. I'm Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh
has a track record of being right on those for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, because you think about the Chase Claypool, which I
didn't bring up in the video, but he was someone
who got traded for the thirty second overall pick. It
was the first pick of the second round in a
year where one of the only thirty one first round picks,
so that didn't work out well for Chicago. Also Fiontay
Johnson last year. So yeah, I mean it's it's weird,
But I would also say I agree picking has been

(08:24):
more physical than those players. I just think he's been
better than all those players since Antonio Brown, who obviously
the reason why he struggled was not because of football reasons.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't a talent issue for Antonio Brown,
that's for sure. So yeah, I mean We'll see how
it works out. You know, this shifts my calculus a
little bit of Dallas for next year, though, I mean,
the secondary playmaking of this team was a huge problem
last season. They're bringing two running backs into the fold.
They're trying to bolster that backfield. They still have Jake Ferguson,

(08:56):
who's a reliable tight end, and then they got Ceedee
Lamb and I partner here, and yeah, I would be
pretty excited about this as a Cowboys fan.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, a lot of help for Joe Milton.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
And Joe Milton. Yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, sorry again for that, Kyle. That's tough.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
That's tough to bizarre move whatever.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Okay, let's go through the Eagles, who are known for
showing up come draft season. John Campbell was kind of
the like, of course, they get the really good Alabama
player who falls to thirty one, don't you trade up
one pick to get him. Interestingly enough, they also got
Andrew mccuba, a safety who I really liked. He was

(09:37):
technically a reach from the big board, but I don't
consider it that way. So those depicts are really good.
Some other interesting ones along the list, even like Cameron
Williams was projected to go top one hundred. They got
him at two oh seven, so that's kind of interesting.
But you know, again you look at the consensus big board,
they tend to be on the right side of it
on most of their picks, with a couple of exceptions. So,

(09:59):
guy I named Mac McWilliams, and I can't figure out
that's his real name or like a nickname, because it's
not possible. His last name was Mick Williams and he
goes by mac. But and that's not related, right, is
he mccorkil McWilliams.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I have no idea. Yeah, I didn't do the research
on this one.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's look, I did a lot of research. I couldn't
find it. Someone in the comments let me know.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I mean I like it Mac Mac Mick, I guess so.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah. But my question is it a nickname because he's McWilliams.
Did it just call him mac? You know, like like
sometimes that happened. Yeah, it's like a Sauce Gardner situation.
His name isn't actually Sauce.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
We'll have to get it on that one. That's a
good question. But I do like it. Yeah, I mean
this was a really good draft though, you know, this
team continues to draft well, they continue to win the
you know, the off season, the draft grades season is
where they excel. Although it does translate to the field
more times than not. This team has been very successful,
including the most recent Super Bowl. Smile. London's an interesting

(10:56):
player because he's just insanely athletic, and I think he
could be very good at that linebacker position as well.
Gid Campbell's like you said, you know, there's a lot
of people who fell in love with him in the draft,
and then it just seemed to be a disconnect between
like the big board and where people just adored his game.
And I think he's a very fun player to watch
and could fit into this team very easily. And then Macouba, Yeah,

(11:19):
I mean, I think the thing with mccooba is that,
like he plays a position that doesn't really exist as
much anymore. Like he is a true true deep free safety,
you know, and we just haven't seen a lot of
those guys lately anymore. You know, you probably have Devin mccordy,
like the Earl Thomas's age and all that kind of stuff.

(11:40):
You know, you want your safety to be a little
more versatile, and that's kind of what I think hurt him,
but he is very good in coverage, so that could
make it up for it. And yeah, I'm excited for
this draft. I think this team did. They did really well.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
The Eagles are approaching the territory of like there's a
tweet of like about the Tampa Bay Rays of like
I love this trade for the raise who give up
and who do they get? I thought the Eagles are
at that point with the draft, like I love this
draft for the Eagles who today draft again like it
just like everyone just immediately just says that it's a
good draft because they usually usually it is. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's it's becoming very like memorable at this point.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
But like if the track records there, you kind of
have to back it up. They continue to do a
very good job.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah yeah. And again also like just foresight, if a
team got if the Chiefs got Johang Campbell, uh would
pick thirty one? What a great pick. So there's that too.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Absolutely, So well let's move on to the let's go
to the Giants, because this was another very fascinating uh
giraft Kyle, Hey, Uh, you're not gonna get any complaints
about drafting Jackson Start at twenty five. For me, I
had him going around that spot. I had him as
a quarterback too in this draft class. So I liked that.

(12:52):
I liked getting Abdua Carter at pick three and not
overthinking the you know, where's he gonna fit and all
that stuff, just getting the best player. Uh, you know,
Darius Alexander at sixty five seems like a good value
pick there, Cam Scattabo, Uh, pick one oh five, that's
great value, Kyle, this was a really good draft I
thought from my perspective, again, your opinion on Jackson Dart
is gonna massively, uh you know, impact how you feel

(13:16):
about the draft. But as a Jackson Dart fan, I
like this draft.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I you know, he was my third quarterback. I
had a second round grade on him. But I understood
the idea of trading up for a quarterback to get
the fifth year option. I figured it was gonna happen
for potentially both quarterbacks that ended up just having one,
and then one waited a lot lot longer than we anticipated.
So yeah, it's gonna be a fascinating one for that.

(13:41):
But yeah, Jackson Dart, they took a chance on him.
You know, they didn't give up a whole lot in
the trade either, so it didn't feel like a crazy
trade up for me. Like, it's not like they like
sold the future for this thing. You know that it
felt like a very fair value to move up to
that range to get Dart, So they get their quarterback,
They're gonna take a chance on it. I don't hate
it at all. You know, he's got a lot of

(14:01):
people in front of him to help him develop too.
I think that this could be a good situation for him.
We'll see how it develops and how it plays out. Obviously,
the coach is under some fires, so that makes it
a little bit harder because you don't want to continually
be changing coaches for a young quarterback. But there's a
lot of value in this draft just in general. PFF
love this draft. I know they did, and I know

(14:22):
a few other people did. You know, guys like Mboo, Scatabo, Alexander.
They got good value for all of those picks as well,
along with getting debatably the best player in this entire
draft in Abdul Carter, and a quarterback in the first
round that people can get excited about. So I think
it's a really good one.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, it's a kind of thing where it's like they
trade for a pick twenty five, and I think our
brain's like, oh, they got a first round pick. They
should have to give up like a future first round
pick to make that happen. But it's like they trade
up ten spots, like from thirty five to twenty five,
Like it shouldn't be like that much. So it it
just kind of the way our brains work with first
dround and second round grades and stuff like that. But yeah,

(15:00):
well we'll see how it works out. But ultimately it's
always a good idea to I've said this before, but
it's they were They went from a team that definitely
doesn't have the quarterback situation figured out to a team
that maybe has the quarterback situation figured out long term
because of his pick. So anytime you can do that,
it's usually worth pick twenty five.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, wasn't the very next pick Atlanta trading a future
first round pick for twenty six too.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I believe so. Yeah, But but Atlanta didn't trade much
else in the like, you know, the Giants give up
pick thirty five. Atlanta didn't give up We'll talk about
that when we get there. But Atlanta didn't give up
any like major capital in this draft, which is why
I had to give up the future first. It's still
a weird thing. It's still a odd thing to happen.
But I'm just but we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah. It was just interesting. Yeah, I just thought, you know,
seeing those two side by side. Obviously they got the
higher pick from the second round from the Giants, but
it was a very fascinating. I saw that it was
pretty good value, especially if you're drafting a quarterback. So
I think I definitely don't hate them taking that chance.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, it's you know, this is a it's a fun one. Giants.
The Giants are fun again.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, we'll see Okay, we gott to see him play football.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
First, sure, but at least they're they're much more interesting
than they than they've been.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Definitely to me, Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have a
fun defensive line to watch next season. We're gonna have
maybe an offense improved with Russell Wilson. You know, you
get another year of Tyrone Tracy. I mean, they're a scatibow.
You know you got some uh, you got you got
a nice ground game there, you got neighbors still I
mean maybe there's something here, uh Brewin, We'll see.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, Kyle, let's talk some balls. Let's talk about the
commanders here. Who had I want to say, a bit
of a bizarre draft. So they get Josh Connorley Jr.
Who I think the logic is like, hey, we just
don't want an Andrew Luck situation happening. We have Jayden Daniels.
We're gonna do whatever we can to help out the
offensive line situation. I do to say, like, I feel like, okay, listen,

(16:51):
Andrew Wiley isn't like a god. You can upgrade there
if you want to. But also like, if Connorley isn't
a great starter, are you upgrading there? And you know
you already have Brandon Coleman as depth there. So I
was just kind of confused by that that need pick.
Maybe he was just the highest player under board. I
don't know. Really like the tray Amos pick with the

(17:13):
second round, I thought I had a first round great
on him. I thought he was great, and they get
him at sixty one, that's good value. But also if
only three other picks, they got three guys who A
big part of why did drafted them are special teams
granted two of those are into two hundreds, so what
are you gonna do? But like, uh, I just I
don't know how much better the Commander's got, which exception
to Trey Amos, which to me is a slam dunk pick.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, yeah, they nailed that pick. I mean it's I
feel like you're always going to grade a draft pretty
low when it's five picks and three of the five
picks are after pick one twenty, right, Like you're just
not going to find a lot of starting caliber talent
in that situation. But the Amos pick is a home run.
And look, I mean Connor le Is I liked him

(17:56):
as a prospect. He was fringe first round for me,
maybe early second, So it's not like a crazy reach
to me at twenty nine at all. And he's pretty versatile.
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up,
you know, playing some guard potentially this season, or playing tackle,
depending on where they see him fit. I mean, he's
got to prove it obviously on the field that he
could play well. I'm still a rookie and all that,

(18:17):
but you know, he played a lot in college, and
he played really well in college, and I think he
could play multiple positions. So I think that's probably the
argument for Washington and that pick, and then they're hoping
for that one that to work out and maybe they
got a starting corner in the sixties. But yeah, everything
else beyond that is we'll wait and see.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah. I think it's just like I look at this
defense and I look at certain secondary positions. I look
at the edge rush room right now they could probably
still use you can always use more bodies on the interior.
I just feel like there's so many holes defensively for
a team that's really trying to go for it these
next three years with Daniel's on a rookie deal. My

(18:56):
question for Commanders does not have they gotten better because
they have this offseason, but it's fun. They had so
much you know, they had this Joft picks that had
so much capital, and did they maximize that? In my opinion,
I would have put a lot more emphasis on the defense.
They decided not to go that route, and I guess
we'll just I mean, hey, sometimes you want to building
your strengths. But I just feel like last year the

(19:16):
reason why they lost was they just could not play
defense against Philadelphia and they kept fumbling, you know, like
this year, but if the plan just to keep the
offense going, maybe it was what got them to the
conference championship game, but I would have liked to see
them put more resources in the defense.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Definitely feel that way. It really feels like they're banking
on some return to form from Marshall and Lattimore and
I mean Jonathan Jones too, maybe a little bit too.
So that's kind of what they're banking on because this
isn't a strong pass rush group. They do have good linebackers,
but you know, that's not really like where you want
your strength of your defense more times than not. So

(19:54):
I mean, it's gonna be very interesting to see how
that plays out, because yeah, they definitely need some help
and you know, we'll see what happens as we go
from here to the beginning of the season, but it
feels like they can use another piece.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, we'll see what happens. And there's still is some
free agency left, as we just saw with Pickens getting traded,
So we'll see what what they do. But let's move on.
Let's go to my team, Kyle, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
A draft that I like. This draft, I think there's
a lot of really interesting pieces here. So the ig
Mecca Agbuka pick, again, it's not what I would have done.

(20:26):
I'm not going to crush a team for valuing wide
receivers highly especch a team like Tampa Bay that is
so built around like passing attack. That's kind of what
this team is again, what they're great at. And we
saw with the injuries last year. You know, are you
getting seventeen games out of Mike Evans and Chris Godwin.
They're not getting any younger as well. It's I'm fine
with it. And then there's some picks. I really like

(20:47):
the Benjamin Morrison pick middle of second round. I think
he's going to be great in the Todd Bowles scheme.
Jacob Parrish as well, should help out helping out the
corner depth, something I've been begging them to do for years.
They finally do. David Walker a really fascinating pick at
pick one. So a couple another edge rash you're another
wide receiver, Kyle. This is the draft that I'm I'm

(21:07):
a fan of.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, I like this draft a lot. Morrison is, you know,
kind of one of my favorite players in this draft
that I figured wouldn't be in round one, but you
know a round two guy for sure, great Manda Man corner.
He had some injuries last season, but if you watched
him two years ago play Marvin Harrison junior and kind
of just mad him up the whole game, and you

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would have been like, this is a top ten pick.
He handled the best receiver in college football that season
incredibly well in that game and held his own. I
came away just from that game alone. I was incredibly impressed.
And then they get a few other guys around here,
so I like that pick a lot. And look, Agbuka
is these Ohio State guys. They know how to run routes,

(21:51):
they know you know, they create a lot of separation,
whether it's the system or them. I mean, so far,
it looks like Ohio State just generates really good ATFL
receivers in I think a Buka is a guy who
was sort of the boring pick of the draft just
because it feels like he's been in college forever, but
he's just been really good and really productive forever. Is
like Ohio the state's number three receiver, and he's going

(22:12):
to go into a situation where guess what he knows
how to be a number three receiver. And he's going
to have a pretty good duo in front of him
to learn from too, So I would be excited to
see him play well in this system.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, it's weird, But with receivers, we're like for defensive linemen,
like you see the team team like the Eagles consistently
draft more and more defensive lineman, constantly trying to have
a steady flow of you know, guys that can play.
Because there's injuries, things go wrong, you want to make
sure you have enough of them. We all kind of
get that for whatever reason. With receivers, anytime a team
has two good receivers, we act like they don't need
any more, like sometimes having three good receivers or four

(22:46):
good receivers with Jingle McMillan, there is a good thing.
These guys are all going to get snaps, right, Mike
Evans isn't going to play every snap on in a game,
and this way, when he has to take a break,
you can still have McMillan and Buka and God went
out there, which is you know that that's gonna be
really tough for second Bears.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, I agree with all that. I mean, like, look
McMillan had a couple of nice moments in the playoffs
late in the season, that kind of thing. It's not
like he's he wasn't the kind of player to me
last season where it's like, oh, never draft a receiver
again because he's that good. Right, you know, I think
it's completely fine to say we need to bring in
some more depth there. And I think it also is
just the way the draft wrote for them. You know,
they obviously viewed that they were fine at other positions

(23:25):
and you know, there wasn't really a need for you know,
could they have brought in another corner this season or something,
and they did. They got a really good one later
in the draft, and they got a slot corner that
they really like in Jacob Parrish. So they were able
to still address their needs, I thought, and got the
player that maybe it was the number one guy in
they're at that spot for them.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah. Yeah, and the you know, uh, I think right
when it happened, a lot of people were saying, what
about defense? Your defense was still bad? You know, a
lot of rounds in the draft. They were able to
address that later. So yeah, I'm a fan of it.
Let's move on to a team that you could say,
I'm not a fan of the New Orleans Saints. That's
my segue to the Saints. But this is an interesting draft.

(24:05):
So first off, love the Calvin Banks pick. He was
one of my you know, one of my guys. He
was my tackle one in this draft class. So big
fan of him. He goes at nine, Totally a great
pick in my opinion. Then we have some, let's just say,
some questionable ones. Tyler Shuck getting him at seventy or
getting him at forty in the draft early second round

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pick on him. Some people liked him. We'll see if
it works out. Vernon Broughton projected to go one fifty three.
They get him at seventy one. So some other, you know,
interesting ones that you know. The later picks seem to
be okay, but ultimately a I think some head scratching
is going on here looking at this list, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some interesting players here. You know,
it's hard to criticize because these are both like I was,
I liked Banks and I like Shuck. I mean, Banks
was still my number three ten in the draft, but
at the same time I also had him like top fifteen,
So it wasn't a crazy reach for me. He's played
a lot of football. He had more pass blocking snaps

(25:09):
than any other player in college football last season, and
he did really well in all of them. Like he's
just like I said during our pre draft thing, you know,
I think he's he was the one tackle. I think
you could watch last year and say, this guy's dominating
games and he's really good. I think that that is
a perfectly justifiable pick. Tyler Chuck was my fourth quarterback
in this draft. I had him as a third round one.

(25:31):
But like, look, I get the age thing, but you know,
it wasn't like an age thing where this guy came
out of nowhere his last season after playing in the
system for seven years and dominated. This guy's bounced around
college football, had some pretty freakish and unlucky injuries, but
he was a highly regarded prospect in high school. He

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has all the arm talent in the world. He has
good athleticism, he has size, he has kind of all
the intangibles you want that I don't think he's your
It's not like a Brandon Whedon pick in that regard.
You know, I think it's a guy who is pretty
polished and pretty skilled that just kind of had everything
break the way he wanted to finally because he got
healthy for once and had a very good season. So

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I think it's a justifiable pick and Shuck too, but yeah,
very interesting draft overall. They drafted a lot of experience.
It feels like E've ben a guy like Danny Stetzman,
you know, pretty enjoyable player to watch in college football.
I don't know how it's going to translate to the
next level, but like the guy just has a nose
for the ball and played a lot at Oklahoma. A

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guy like Devin Neil two, very good running back, very athletic,
I had some really good moments as well. So it's
gonna be interesting to see how it plays out, because
you know, I don't mind drafting guys with experience, but
how much of these guys those are great prospects, it
is the question.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, it should be interesting. The Saints currently now have
three quarterbacks on the roster who are all on rookie deals,
Jake han Or, Tyler Shuck and Spencer Rattler, and then
also Derek Carr. We'll see what goes on with that.
But hey, I mean, ultimately, if one of these picks hits,
then you know, uh, hey, if Tyler Shuck hits, uh
you know, pick forty, that feels like nothing.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, look, I mean at the end of the day,
we continue to say that if you don't have the guy,
you should keep drafting the guy until you get the guy. Right,
Like we continue to say teams should just keep drafting
a quarterback every year until they have the guy. It
would be kind of hypocritical of us to then criticize
a team that's actually deploying that strategy for a change,

(27:29):
like they are at least trying. Like, I don't know
if I like Tyler Shuck is a prospect, I don't
know if he's gonna be good. You know, I would
probably bet on him not being good because that's just
kind of how it works more times than not. So
I don't know if it's gonna work out. But like
they're trying, you know, they're they're they're stepping up to
the dartboard and throwing the darts and we'll see.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think the criticism of the Saints is,
why don't they just do a foldier down rebuild and
you really trying to get someone? But you're absolutely correct
it's better doing this than not doing uh than than
than that, Chuck is It's it's still pick I would
ultimately defend even if he's not a prospect. I like,
because it's worth it's worth the shot.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, yeah, if he was highest on their board, like
take him and see what happens. But yeah, it's just
you know, it's a It definitely was a controversial pick,
obviously because uh melk Kiper was on the broadcast right exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Let's go to the Carolina Panthers, Kyle, I like this
draft by the Panthers, So you get Teed McMillan. Yeah,
I know, I know. I'm a fan. I'm a fan
of both the Panthers and the Giants draft.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Something's broken. We gotta we gotta, we gotta get that
figured out. Let's get let's get someone on that.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's almost like I'm not actually just blindly hitting teams
and just giving my opinion on stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh we know you blindly at.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Only the stands the Panthers. I mean, well, first off,
you know I touched on this prior to this, which
there was a lot of talk of the Panthers gonna
get Jaalen Walker at pick eight and I kept saying, like, no,
get tech NC Millan at eight, get the receiver and
that can help complete you know, help out Bryce young.
They don't overthink it. They get the star receiver who
can help out their young quarterback. Also about Nicks Gornton,

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he wasn't my favorite prospect, but at fifty one, that's
good value. You know, Princely you getting him at seventy seven,
that's good value. So like the top three picks really
just great in my opinion about the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of good value there.
I mean I can't hate any of those picks at all.
At the picks they got him, Ted McMillan, you know,
we'll see it's he's an interesting prospect. Like I think
he's one of the if you like college football and
you saw his highlights in the way he performed every
week with not the best quarterback situation, you think this
guy's a superstar. But like I also will say, like

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we said the same thing about a guy like Michael
Krabtree and it didn't quite work out, Like if he
ends up Crabtree, I still think that's a pretty good pick.
Like he ended up a pretty good receiver for a
number of years.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
I heard he was mediocre.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't talk to Richard Sherman about that.
But look like if he ends up that level of
a player, I think that's still a decent pick. Like
I just you know, I pushed back when people were
saying this is a superstar prospect. So we'll see what
it works looks like for McMillan. But yeah, good value

(30:14):
all around. Trevor Etn is a guy who's incredibly explosive
to I mean, yeah, I can't hate this draft at all.
I thought they did a good job.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I think. Is it Do you think it hurts Trevor
Etn that you know that the other Etn didn't didn't
didn't light the world on fire when he got drafted.
Probably a little bit, But uh, like Brown have been
drafted higher. If Equammius was better, he'd be a.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
First run pick at that point, maybeybe. Yeah, I don't
know that's that that is tough, but yeah, yeah, that
is definitely true. What do you think of Cameron Jackson too?
Three hundred and forty two pounds of him?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, I mean those guys are valuable, right that you're
gonna get snaps.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, he's Uh, definitely gonna take up some space on
the field, you know him, and uh, maybe he can
help out Derek Brown a little bit there in the middle.
So yeah, I think it's exciting to be Panthers. I
think they made the right pick with the receiver.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's weird how I took these
teams almost like how divisions kind of work some sometimes
where it's like, okay, you have like who are the
two guys that teed McMillan is getting kind of compared
to it's like Mike Evans and Drake London and now
McMillan also goes to that division. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, it's just it always ends up working out that way.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah. Well, let's go to the Atlanta Falcons, who Kyle
you brought up traded a future first round pick, and
again let's actually start there with the trade in the
future first round pick. People are really kind of dunking
on Atlanta. Essentially, what happened was they so the Rams
were able to they moved up from the third round
to the second round to move up some spots and

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then also they traded picked twenty six for the Falcons
future for round pick the I think you hear see
future first und pick and you're like, what in the
world just happened. But essentially it's almost like they're swapping
pick twenty six for future first and a little and
the Rams get a little bit more value because you're
having to wait extra year to get the pick. Of course,

(32:18):
the risk here is for the Falcons. Okay, you guys
were picking at fifteen this past year. Previously you picked
at pick number eight for three consecutive seasons. Are you
going to be picking at pick twenty six or is
if you take a step back and you're picking top ten,
this is the horrible trade.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, I mean, technically, even if you pick pick twenty,
you're giving you traded the twentieth pick next year for
the twenty six pick this year.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
So well, and even if they pick at twenty six,
they still lose value because they had to trade a
little bit of extra value. So it's it's long term.
It's not a great move, but that's kind of how
these things work. But yeah, sorry I cut you off.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
No, you're good. So yeah, it's definitely an interesting strategy.
But I'm just gonna assume that they got a player
they really liked and you know what, it's not the
best value I think overall for the trade at all.
You know, that's definitely fair. But for a team that

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desperately needed some pass rush help, they got a player
I really liked, and you know, I actually would have
liked him at fifteen and then Jail Walker at twenty
six a lot more. But still I think getting both
of those guys, they both have pass rush potential, you know,
and this team desperately needed some help in the pass
rush department. They traded for Matthew Judahon this past season
that did not work out. They definitely need some help there.

(33:38):
And they got two guys that I like at the
spot or one guy that I like, and I think
one guy who has a ton of potential if it
works out. It's just if it works out, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Jalen Walker completely developmental guy who played kind of half
off ball linebacker, half edge in college. James Pearce not
a developmental guy. Guy who should be able to step
in right away and play well, although there was some
questions about, you know, some character concerns like is he
coachable and things of that nature, which is part of
why he fell. Ultimately, if I'm the falcons. I think

(34:07):
I just sit at fifteen, take James Pierce junior, and
go that way. And I don't draft Jannel Locker. I
wasn't a huge Janen Locker fan, but he the talent
is undeniable, Like if you can figure out a way
to make him work. I think my in my notes,
I put like, he's really talented. I just don't know
what he is, and if they can figure out what
he is, he could be really good. I also like

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Xavier Watts with their third round pick. I thought he
should have gone way earlier, who's projected to be a
mid second rounder. They get him at ninety six, but
ultimately only five picks as well, because they traded for
judea On and they lost a pick with the Kirk
Cousins tampering things, so that's not ideal, but we'll see.
I mean, ultimately it's it's reminds me a bit of
the the Will Anderson Junior trade, where it's like they're

(34:51):
betting on themselves and if this backfires then okay, well
then you're all at a job anyway. Someone as well
take us take a swing.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, so controversial drafts the last two drafts for sure,
but yeah, I mean it's definitely going to be an
interesting one. Just as far as the prospects they went,
they went heavy on the defense. They got two edg
rushers and two safeties. I really like Watts as well.
Him and Jesse Bates could be one of the best
coverage safety duos in the league. And then Billy Bowman's
a pretty versatile player, like I wouldn't be surprised if

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he kind of deploys in that unique, like big nickel
safety kind of role where he's just kind of all
over the place and we're matchup dependent. So I wouldn't
be surprised if all three of those safeties are on
the field in third down situations as well. So I
really like what they got out of those players. And
you know, they didn't have a ton of picks, but
I thought they they maximized the play the prospects they got,

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even if they overpaid for that value.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, I agree. I think this was a I love
getting those players and the good the set kind of
saving grace if we want to say they gave too
much of value is I think Pierce Junior is a
prospect that might be better than your typical twenty stick
to overall pick in a draft that most uh these
guys later were worse than your typical late first round pick,
So that that's kind of the saving grace. Joe asked,

(36:07):
how's Luna.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Luna is doing good. She's just sitting over there right now.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Good. Well, Uh yeah, Kyle, Uh, let's move on to
Let's go to the team that hosted this draft, the
Greewa Packers Greema Packers, who they select Matthew Golden in
the first round, a pick that I really liked. I
I think Matthew Golden was a very good player. You know,
if I was Tampa Bay and wanted to go receiver,
he probably would would have been my pick. Interesting. I

(36:35):
think the criticism criticism of the Matthew Golden pick is
they already have plenty of good receivers, and if Golden
only ends up being good, then like, have you actually
gotten better here? Whereas for other teams, if you get
a good receiver, there's like the Panthers, if Pat McMillan
only ends up being good, then they still got a
good player. But uh, you know, that's kind of the

(36:55):
criticism here. But ultimately I still think it's it's worth
it for his potential, Not really sure. I fully am
on board with the Anthony Belton that pick fifty four selection.
But Kyle, what did you think of this draft?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, a little bit up and down. I agree with
what you said about Belton, but you know, I am
all for Matt Lafleur having this Matthew gold and Jaden
Reid combo at receiver. Like I just want to see
the interesting things that he could do with these two
on the field. You know, could this be like a
Miami sort of situation with these two speed demons. So

(37:30):
I'm all for it. Like I like to pick, I
like the fit there, and I like the scheme that
he's going into. So I think that they got a
lot of speed now on offense, this is going to be,
you know, one of the more electric offenses. I think
next season if Jordan Love can you know, round into
some consistency. Big yet for him, but I think that
it'll be great, right, This will be great during Toyota

(37:53):
than indeed. So yeah, you know, kind of up and
down draft overall. You know, I didn't love some of
their later picks, but you know, I think if Golden hits,
he could be he could absolutely be a star. With
that speed. But you know it's gonna be very interesting
to see how that plays out.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, I don't have too much more to say about
the Packers.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
You have more, No, No, I think I'm good.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Okay, here, I'm going to run the bathroom. You want
to talk about the Vikings for a minute.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
The Vikings. All right, let me pull out my nuts
on the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I can give you my first thoughts on it, just
real quick. But you know, the Donava Jackson one slight
slight reach for me at at you know, twenty four
projected to go thirty nine. But here, Kyle, I'll give
you the floor.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah. So I think they kind of wanted Grey's abel, honestly,
and then greyz Ambel ended up going higher than when
they thought. I think there was rumor there was a
thing about him coming in for a couple of workouts
or interviews or whatever it was. So he ends up
going higher, So they pivot to I guess they just
decided to go straight for Need and Donovan Jackson, And yeah,
I thought that was a bit of a reach. But

(38:53):
I like some of their later picks too. I really
liked Tay Felton. I think he's the guy who could
be pretty nice at that with that third round pick.
And I really like a few of their other guys
across the board too, So Kobe King's a guy who
you know, played really well last season two at the
linebacker spot. But yeah, the Donovan Jackson won. You know,
I just didn't really think this was an awesome interior

(39:16):
line draft, and I didn't have any I didn't I
didn't even have Booker in the first round grade, and
I definitely didn't have Jackson as the first round grade
as far as guards go. But I guess the Vikings
have built enough of a depth chart here to where
I feel like they they feel they felt like they
could draft for need rather than best player available, and

(39:38):
they definitely needed some help on the interior offensive line,
so maybe they felt like that was an opportunity to
go ahead and pivot to that. But still definitely feels
like a bit of a reach for me at that
spot and not my favorite pick. But yeah, I think
Felton could really work in this offense. I think they
needed another receiver to pair next to Addison and Justin
Jefferson anyways, and they're just gonna throw or speed on

(40:00):
the field because he has speed, and yeah, I think
he's gonna be a very good weapon in this offense
next to those two. And all three of those guys
feel like they can move around, play in the slot,
play on the outside, and do some different things as well.
And Jackson is still not back. What else do I
want to talk about with the Vikings. Let's see here. Yeah. Yeah,

(40:24):
I mean it's clear that they came into this figuring
that they needed to help out their offensive line the most,
and you know they were able to do that with
that pick. And here's Jackson.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Okay, I'm back, Kyle. Sorry, Sorry I left you. I
could I could have picked a more interesting team for you.
I apologize.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
It's all good. Yeah, I was struggling to talk about
how much Minnesota needed help on their offensive line.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, that was my bad. I could have given you
another one. I have nothing else to add to that.
And I didn't even hear it. But I think you
nailed it. I'm sure you said any of my thoughts
that I had in the time that you had to
do the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah, well we'll go with that. Yeah, we can move
on any year. Back.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, I said, Donald Jackson bit of a reach, but
I get it. They wanted to offens offensive guard cut
a Lions speaking of reaches the Detroit Lions, who it's
one of those it's similar to like the Steelers trading
away or receiver, where it's like at this point you
just can't like say anything because they they're good at
like they know what they're doing. But still, Tyler Williams, uh,

(41:23):
you know, I think we'll be a valuable player for
the Lions. I don't know if I was drafting him
at twenty nine, but he will be. Again, those types
of guys are important guys. We already talked about it.
Getting a good interior guy will help. The Isaac Tisslah
selection was also a bit strange. He was projected to
go at seventy. They get him at one sixty eight.
They needed a guard. They got Rattledge at fifty seven,

(41:46):
so that's good. But again, another one of these Lions
drafts that doesn't make a lot of sense when it happens.
So it'll probably end up being really good. Uh yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's definitely an interesting one. You know, they have DJ
Reader at that spot already, but you know they clear
Lee still valued that position. They went and got the
player and yeah, it feels like an overdraft just based
on value of the position. But if he's a good
run stuffing defender, he's going to play for a long
time and be pretty good at that spot. So you
can't hate it that much. But yeah, it definitely felt

(42:16):
like a couple of reaches here. But you know, not again,
not the most exciting draft, not a ton of playmakers.
But I mean this team's already been you know, covered it.
There's plenty of playmakers on this team that you know
they decided to run it back there. I think the
one thing you probably could have asked is could they've
got some more pass rushing depths after what happened the
last season? But you know, they're clearly banking on some

(42:39):
of their guys in the building.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, and part of it too, was like maybe they
didn't love anyone, maybe like they weren't as high as
a roku because you know, the league wasn't Like maybe
they just didn't love someone at that spot, scially with
James Pierce. I wonder if they would have gone with
James Pierce had he fallen two more slots to them, right,
So at a certain point, maybe just say hey would
have left that structure, but like we're not we feel

(43:01):
like we're getting a worst player if we do that.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely possible for sure, So it
you know, you never know how it works. But uh,
I think that's the one thing where I could have said, like,
I still think they haven't need at that spot, but
you know, there's also the chance that there's a higher
chance that a rookie ed rusher is not going to
help them right away either.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, It's it's weird, right because you know, this is
every bad Homes draft is considered a reach until it's
not a U not a reach, And that's kind of true, right.
I think the question you just have to ask is like, Okay,
is this because you've had a hot streak or just
because you're actually right?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, I mean it's it's just the nature of the thing, right,
Like we're you know, is running back worth it in
the first round? You know, the data typically says no,
The data typically says that a run stuff in defensive
tackle is not worth a first round pick. But at
the same time, if he's good, he's gonna be good
for ten years on this team, and so you can't
hate it that much. But at the same. It's just

(43:58):
you know, the hit. It's clear that his perception of
value versus the standard perception of value for positions is different.
And maybe he's just saying I want a good player.
I'm not really caring about where they play.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, so we'll see, I mean, we'll see, you know,
it's I do think, like again, there's gonna be a
point when Tyler Williams makes a good play and everyone's say, oh,
remember when you all laughed at that pick, Like that's
gonna happen. He's gonna be an effective player for him.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, yeah, without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Well, let's go to the final team in this division,
the Chicago Bears. Everyone could have given you Lions or Bears,
and I gave you Vikings to talk about for two
minutes by yourself. I apologize, Kyle h. This was a
really fascinating draft. The Coaston Loveland pick is obviously kind
of a highlight here with him being, you know, projected
to be the second tight end taken. We protected to
go fifteenth to goes ten. That's not that crazy, projected

(44:46):
me tight end two. He gets selected, you know, tight
end one. It's not the craziest thing in the world.
But it is kind of the we talk about the
lions and reaches that you know now in the Ben
Johnson era, they're kind of copying that a little bit.
I do think loved One's gonna fit that scheme perfectly.
I think that that's kind of why. I think it's
just his route running fits the scheme. I don't even
think they're viewing it as like a lot people actic
Loveland's a great blocker. I don't know where that's come from, Like,

(45:08):
that's not I don't think that. I don't think they're
drafting him for that reason. Like it's it's his route
running that's gonna really fit the scheme. Well. Also, Luther
Burden the third, that's a dream fit right there. So yeah,
I mean this is and a lot of other interesting
selections across the board. But but you know, those two
picks helping out again this whole off season, helping out
Caleb Williams. On paper, they have succeeded.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
They've definitely succeeded on paper. We'll see how it looks
on the field, but I definitely have a lot of
trust in Ben Johnson that it's gonna work out. Yeah.
I mean, look, I will give you this he is
a better blocker than Warren, but I don't think that's
a high bar, right, So if you want a tight
end who could block a little bit more, Loveland was
definitely the pick. I still think Warren was the better prospect.

(45:54):
That being said, like you said, it is a scheme
based thing. I think with Lovelin and I trust Ben
Johnson to kind of figure that out. Love the Lucer
burden pick. I think that's an absolute home run. He
was my number three receiver in this draft. They get
him at pick thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I think you take well, if they're Ben Johnson's scheme,
that takes gonna age great.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I know, yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's just a It
feels like a home run to me. They have a
lot of explosiveness. Now, they have stuff they can look
forward to for next season. And yeah, I mean Johnson
is trying to build a juggernaut on this offense. So
if Caleb Williams can develop and get better, you know,
we obviously saw the flashes of it, even if it

(46:34):
was very, very inconsistent, there is an opportunity for this
to be a awesome team next season and may be
a sleeper.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, well, let's move on to Kyle. I'm gonna coin
this the most boring draft the Rams. I think, you know,
they hey, they get a future first, so they have
two first round picks next year, and then I don't know,
Terrence Ferguson like will probably get playing time as a
tight end. I guess uh uh, Josiah Stewart should get
excuse me sometime as an edge. Chris Paul Junior will

(47:03):
probably end up being a starting linebacker at some point
in his Ricorde deal at pick one seventy two. That
seems pretty good, but like, yeah, I mean it's just
you don't have a first round pick. They only end
up with six picks, which is very un Rams of them.
So there's not a ton to talk about here.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, just when we started to say that this team,
you know, has got this first round pick thing figured out,
they go ahead and trade their first round pick. Unbelievable,
but it was good value. I like the trade. You know,
Josiah Stewart's an interesting player. You know, he had very
very good numbers in college too, and they got him
at pick ninety. And you know, this team has done

(47:39):
really well at drafting defensive lineman. It feels like lately
and they've hit some home runs and I wouldn't be
surprised if this is another home run. He's not the
biggest guy, and that's kind of where I think he
slips a little bit. But you know, we continue to say,
you know, I understand not drafting. You know, I understand
him dipping because of his trades and that being an shoe.

(48:00):
But we continue to say, good football players at the
edge spot are usually just good football players throughout. And
there's a chance he is gonna be very very good
next season. I could be a sneaky home run pick,
you know. Not the most exciting player in Jarquis Hunter,
but you know, he gets the tough yards. You know,
there's a lot of interesting players I think in this
draft too.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah. Ultimately, I mean the Rams have shown that over
the years. Oh this guy is a little bit undersized,
but he's a good player. Yeah we'll take that guy.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah. Yeah, they're they're not afraid to, you know, ignore
some traits at times if they think they're getting a
good player. And I definitely trust this team to have
that development and thing down. So I like, I like
what they're brewing there with that defense.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, let's not forget they drafted to two at well,
a five to nine and sixty five pound guy in
the second round.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah that helps.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, that's the shows shows their mindset. But like we
can move on. Let's go to the Seattle Seahawks who
drafted Gray Zabel, a player who some people really liked. Listen,
there's a world where he ends up being a star player.
We'll just we'll kind of have to wait and see
on that. In my opinion, just you know, dominated a

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low level of competition in the small sample size like
the Senior Bowl and stuff. He looked good against higher
level of competition, but there still is just a huge
question mark there. Nicko Manuore, a guy a lot of
people really liked. They get him early second round. Elijah
o'arrio another guy people really liked. They get him picked fifty,
and then Jaylen milroll guy I liked, Kyle Ewart as

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big of a fan of They get him at pick
ninety two, which is an interesting maybe you know, at
pet pick ninety two, this is a in case Sam
Donald doesn't work out, at least we're not screwed at
the quarterback position. And they had a ton of picks.
I think they ended up you know, they had double
digit picks. Damian Martinez a really interesting sleeper. At two
twenty three, they get him, who was projected to go
one on one. So that's very fascinating. So a really

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interesting draft here by Seattle.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, I think an interesting draft. Indeed, it felt like
some reaches, you know, I do. You know, I obviously
was not I did my whole Jalen Milroll thing. I
don't have to rehash it, but I think taking him
in the third round in the nineties is a lot
more safer to me than you know, people were saying
he could go second round and I would be a
little more concerned with the pick like that. But yeah,

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I mean, we'll see. Zabel was probably the biggest riser
of this draft from the Senior Bowl, and he's got
He obviously showcased some talent in that, but uh, you know,
we'll see how it works out in an extended sample size.
Elijah Royo, you know, he has some really nice plays.
I know he's listed as a tight end. Don't think
of him as a tight end because he's not gonna

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do it. So I think there's some interesting players in
this draft for sure, even going down the list, like
I like some of their late picks honestly too. Like
Damon Martinez is a good, good running back. They got
it picked two twenty three. He was good for a
number of years in college. I wouldn't be surprised if
he's really good in the NFL. And even a guy,

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you know, they got it with pick two thirty eight,
Ke White was a awesome college player and they got
him at two thirty eight. And you know he's not
he's not the biggest guy. He's probably gonna move into
a slot receiver role. But I wouldn't be surprised if
he ends up making the roster and playing well. So
a lot of picks, there, a lot of opportunities, and
they got some guys late in the draft that I
think a lot of college fans would love, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, And ultimately, when you have that many picks, some
of them are going to work out, right. That's again
ask the Rams over the years that tends to be Uh,
you know, how did the Rams always seemingly find guys
Layton rounds that are good? What could they They're drafting
ten times in Layton rounds, Seattle trying that strategy here?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, I mean if a couple of those guys hits,
it works out.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, Let's go to another team that tried that strategy,
another team that had a ton of draft picks, the
forty nine ers here, who were constantly picking players. They
got mikeel Williams at pick eleven, Alfred Collins, and CJ.
West on the interior, Nick Martin, you know a player
who was projected to go one seventy if they got

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him at seventy five. Same thing of Upton Stout, a
player who was projected to go seventy five picks later,
which again isn't the end all be all, but I've
said it a million times, but I'll say it a
million more. Usually in a draft, the player who's projected
to go one seventy at pick seventy five, they play
like a guy projected to go one seventy. But again,
ultimately a ton of just picks here, Some of them

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I really liked, like CJ. West, and some well we'll see.
But again, you have to feel like somebody's are gonna
hit for a team that kind of really needs depth. Now,
as they burned a lot of you know, had a
lot of they had a lot of cop casualties.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
This offseason. Yeah, I mean, if this is a bad draft,
then I think we could stick in four in San
Francisco for a while, because, yeah, they definitely need to
reinforce their team a little bit. You know, some interesting
players here, but like I mean, I do think the
Michael Williams won I had him late first round, grating
on him, you know, I do think that's a bit
of a reach at eleven. But I also think this

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is another one of those teams that just does things
a little bit different than everybody else and has a
different evaluation process. So they clearly like something with him
with his intangibles, which are you know, very good, and
he's a very good run defender, so maybe they just
wanted to reinforce that a little bit help their team
out that way. But yeah, it's gonna be very you know,
they definitely need a few of these picks to work

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out because you know, this team needs the reinforcements.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, and I mean he's only twenty and and some people,
I mean, he was projected to go fourteenth, right. I
don't think you, either you or I were as high
on him just because he has such a projection. But
like the or people like him and again, if they
hit on that, Okay, well no, you could have. You know,
if he can reach his potential across from Nick Bosa,
that could be pretty exciting for Fort Nanners fans.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
That's the hope at least, right So yeah, I mean
it definitely has the potential for it. But uh yeah,
I mean I think we I still need to see
a lot of these guys kind of work out for
San Francisco. I don't think this was my favorite draft
at all.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, it's I liked the pick. I like the amount
of picks. I don't know if they maximized all those.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Picks, I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Like just for example, Jordan Watkins projected to be undrafted
to get him at one thirty eight, Like that's not
like that. No one's gonna talk about that like that.
That might not be the best value, but maybe they
like them. I don't know. Like again, I haven't done
a deep dive on Jordan Watkins, so I could be wrong.
But just when there's a lot of those usually doesn't
work out unless you're alliance.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, and it feels like definitely it's a lot of stretches,
right like they you know, sometimes the teams that march
to the beat of their own drum kind of work
out in their way because they have a really good
evaluation process. But you know, I think San Francisco is
gonna have to prove to us and these guys are
gonna have to prove to us, and you know that
it's it's becoming quickly a small margin for air for
this team because you know, like you said, they don't

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have the depth, so they need some of these guys
to be good almost right away, which is the tougher thing.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, Okay, let's move on to the last team to
talk about in this podcast. One of my favorite drafts,
one of everyone's favorite draft the Arizona Cardinals, who get
Walter Nolan with sixteen. He was projected to go mid
first round, and that just feels like a smart move.
They could use an interior guy, and he is He
should be a very good interior guy for them, So

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now they can have him with Dalvin Tomlinson and Kaleis
Campbell on the interior, which which should help things. Also
getting Will Johnson, a player projected to go thirteenth. He
fell all the way to the middle of the second
round due to injury concerns that maybe were worse than
we had thought of. He claims he's fine and those
are overblown, So we'll see what happens. But ultimately, if

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they can hit on that and get a just even
just a good interior and a guy in a good
corner for this team like that will go a long way.
And for a team that we kind of said last
year early on it looks like maybe they were taking
two steps forward and ultimately only end up taking one
step forward. Last year, it feels like they have taken
that second step forward in this draft.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
That's at least the hope. I mean, this entire offseason
has been about addressing this defense that struggled last season
for sure. So they go and get Josh Sweat, they
pay him big money in the season, they get Walter
Nolan in the early in the drafts, they get you know,
Will Johnson in the second round, which you know is
another guy. If this draft was this time last year
with the same players, Will Johnson probably would have been

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a top five pick. You know, had some up and downs,
had some injuries that moved him down a little bit
in the draft. So it's gonna be very interesting to
see if he can bounce back and regain that form.
But this team, I think they had seven picks and
took six defensive players, and you know, there is a
chance that this all could hit and this is an
awesome thing. I think the one thing for Arizona is

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like the expectation isn't shouldn't be with all this young
players that they just got, that the defense is going
to be fixed overnight. Like, I wouldn't expect this defense
to be like elite all of a sudden next season
because of the way they've addressed it. I think they're
doing things the right way. I just think it's still
gonna take a little bit of time. But I like
the direction they're going in. I think they got a
lot of defensive talent all of a sudden, really quickly,

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you know. I like these safeties. Garrett Williams is a
good slot corner. They add Will Johnson, shot Murphy Bunting's
in there. I think it could be a very interesting
team at times next season. I think there's gonna be
some growing pain still, especially for positions like cornered defensive tackle.
That could take a while. But they got young talent.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah, that's true, That's that totally fair point. I think
The flip side too, is if you're a Cardinals fan,
you can easily talk yourself into the best case scenario
of this team, which is pretty exciting.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I would I just said that, and I wouldn't be
shocked if this team won this division next year. Yeah, no,
I still have to go right. I think I'd still
lean Los Angeles, but you know that I'd have to
look at the rosters fully. But like, I think everybody
else in the West got worse and I think they
got better. You know, whether this is going to be
fully formed Cardinals what we have expectations for right away

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is a different story. But this team definitively got better
this offseason, where it feels like everybody, you know, multiple
teams went in the raw direction.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I mean, they were right there last year where we
kind of said, like all I have to do is
go one and one against Seattle. It's split those two
games and they're probably gonna win the division. They end
up dropping both and then the Rams beat the Bills
and that threw everything off and the Rams took the division.
But like they were, they were right there last year.
It does feel like with a better defense they can
get over to hump. But again, that's not necessarily how

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this always works.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's easy to say on
paper what things are going to look like in May.
It's a long time till December, September still, and yeah,
there is an interesting case for Arizona Brewing for next
season though.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yeah. Well, Kyle is that is our show. Let them
know we can find us on Twitter before we head out.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
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Speaker 1 (58:43):
Of course, if like audio only podcast, anywhere you get
your podcast, search on the Sideline podcast it should be
available there. Just a quick reminder that we will be
you know, not be doing the podcast next week. We
will be here two weeks from today doing our top
thirty two quarterback rankings every team's starting quarterback. So that's

(59:03):
always a fun show. But yeah, Kyle, that's our that's
our show, all.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Right, perfect, Yeah, fun stuff. Talking about the draft. Now
we transition into our more of our off season pre
or pre season preview stuff. We do months of previews,
so we got plenty of time to talk about all
of that. But it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yes, always a good always a good time, Kyle. Next
time I'll see you will be on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I will yeah, yeah, you will be happily married by
the time you probably recognize that I'm there.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, yeah, well hopefully hopefully happily married. I don't know.
Things can go wrong.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, you know, knock on wood, I guess.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, you know, I just don't want to don't want
to County chickens for the hatch. Kyle.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
That's fair, that's fair. That'd be very Minnesota Timberwolves of you.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yes, exactly. Do you have any you know, thoughts on
just everything going on in the sports world. We saw
some great Game sevens in hockey, great.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Game sevens, and I haven't put much you know, I
haven't paid too much attention, but obviously saw the highlights
of that stuff. It was amazing. That's some awesome stuff.
Look at Toronto now one up up, one up, one
nothing on the defending champs and playing tonight. Can Toronto
finally put it all together? I think those are some
interesting stories. And then basketball has just been terrific. I

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mean Yeah, the Tyrese Haliburton stuff, the Denver Nuggets pulling
out some of these games that they've managed to pull out.
It's been thrilling. It's been absolutely got wrenching, and every
night's been must watch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah, even like that Celtics. I I didn't watch it
because I usually I look.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
For basketball too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, for for basketball, I tend to kind of look
at the score and if it's close in the fourth quarter,
I turn it on and I'm like, okay, that games.
I think it's like the third quarter, and I saw
Salter up twenty. I'm like, okay, kind of what we
expected here, right, So I don't I didn't even check.
And then I just looked again and saw it like
the nixt one, and I was like, how that happened? Well,
what happened? It's been crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, it feels like every night we're due for a
big comeback. And yeah, that next game was wild. I
expect the Celtics to lock in a little bit more
and maybe not miss forty five threes, but we'll see,
you know, crazy things happen every night.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, and then the Warriors beating the Timberwolves without the
Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
For the majority of the game. Yeah, yeah, I mean
that Timberwolves team looked so so flat. I don't know
what it is about that team, but like, you know,
I just remember them beating Denver last season in Game seven,
which was a terrific winning You should celebrate that you
beat the defending champs Game seven. You came back down
twenty in that game to win it, but it felt
like they really celebrated, like they won the championship. And

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you know, there is all about like Anthony Edwards after
that game talking about I got Kyrie and all that
kind of stuff, and then Kyrie scored thirty on him
in the first half of Game one in the Conference finals.
Dallas goes on to win that series. You know, there's
obviously the meme of them winning that playing game where
Patrick Beverley's crying on the court for winning the playing game,
and then they go and get pounced in round one too.
So I don't know if this is the team that

(01:01:57):
kind of like gets a little bit ahead of themselves
sometimes times and needs to learn to like kind of
it's a young team for the most part. There is
Rudy Gobert, Julius Randall, Mike Conley stuff, like that. But
like I wonder if this team just needs to learn
to ride the emotions of the playoffs a little bit
better and manage those expectations.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yeah, we can't all be like James Harden just like
great throughout your week you game in, game out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Yeah, it never fails.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
James Harton Uh yeah never never never was what what
what a whatever? On that guy's on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Yeah, maybe actually end up being the most reliable player
in NBA history. We we are, we're absolutely know that
he is not going to come through in certain situations.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
At what point if the games happened? Okay, a good job,
like James, like we got here and like now just
you can sit up to bad you for this one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah that would be easier, wouldn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah? I think think maybe I don't know, Kyle, Uh,
you know, a good show as always. I will I'll
see you Saturday and see everyone else in a couple
of weeks. Any more, thoughts everybody to get out of here?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Uh no, we can get out of here. So good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Again, Thanks to everybody for watching, listening. We do appreciate you.
We'll be back in two weeks and until then, have
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Peace MHM.