Ranking Every Team's Starting QB

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the On
the Sideline Podcast with Jackson and Kyle. I am Jackson
and I'm joined here as always by the man who
is ready to spend an hour breaking down the new
onside kickoff rule being one yard closer, Kyle Cale, How
you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Uh? Doing pretty good? I didn't see that rule change.
I guess I got to keep up with that stuff.
I saw plenty of people either bragging or you know,
being upset about the toush push ruling and some deleted tweets.
So there's a lot going on there. So what what
a what a day for rule changes?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I guess yeah, I suppose supposed to. Yeah, I don't
know the the the the the whole touch push thing is.
You know, that's fine. We we've all, we've all you've are.
We already know your takes. We're good, we get it.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, we all have a stance and for now that
stance is over, so we're good. We can move on.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, if anything uh with us in sports media is
we know how to move off of something and not
not beat a dead horse.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Really yeah, and let's go to first take now as
we go into uh, you know what's what's the topic
for today?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Oh doing uh lebron or Jordan? Oh interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh wow, that's a new one. I heard that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yes, uh, thank you everybody for tuning in. Obviously last
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Kyle Wi, I was at my wedding. It was it's
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Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah. I get the people going. You know, nobody knows
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we we got lucky enough that we had a break
in the rain there to get the ceremony going. And
it was very nice, very nice.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Wedding, very very stressful of the rains. You know, it
hasn't rained in the months here in Florida. It finally
rains the weekend, but we got a break. It all
worked out, so yeah, Kyle, No one wants to hear
us talk about that. We're here to talk about football,
and this is one of our most fun shows we
do every year. This is the quarterback rankings. Just to
set up how this is gonna work, you and I

(02:59):
are gonna go back and forth picking starting quarterbacks. The
way that this, uh, this works is that it is
one quarterback for each team. It's whoever we consider to
be the best quarterback of that team. So once you know, uh,
for example, for the Cleveland Browns, if you pick shitter Sanders, uh,
then that would mean that all the other Browns quarterbacks

(03:21):
are now off the board. So we're gonna do one
through thirty two. Kyle, does all that sound good?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah? I won't be picking shitter Sanders. You don't have
to worry about Yeah, you want to take them?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Okay? Good to know, good, good, good to know I
can can get a steal, maybe much like maybe the
Browns did. He might be following this draft as well.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah. I have a good feeling he won't get picked
in this one either, so we're good.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Okay. Yeah, he did technically get picked black one day three.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Day three doesn't count. No, I'm just kidding. Respect to
anybody who gets drafted. But uh yeah that will will
uh you know, we'll We'll leave all the comments there
to the kid of the Atlanta defensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Kyle, who do you want to Let's just get into
the last Kyle. Do you want to go first? You
want mean to go first?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I can go first? Why not? Okay, sure, all right,
I'll lead us off just as everybody expected. Josh Allen
number one. I have Josh Allen at the top of
my list. I think he's the best quarterback in football. Yes,
Mahomes beats him in the playoffs, but I don't think
he's playing bad in these postseason games. He just happens

(04:36):
to be on the losing end. And yeah, I think
Josh Allen the last two seasons and going into this
next season, has been the best quarterback in the game.
I think he's been. If you compare him to Mahomes
side by side, he's got more touchdown passes, he's got
less interceptions, he's got a better quarterback rating. The rushing
stuff isn't even close. It's twenty seven rushing touchdowns in

(04:56):
the last two years to two for Patrick Mahomes. Records
are very similar. If your QB wins guy, Obviously Mahomes
has one more win if you're gonna go off that.
And yeah, so I think Josh Allen has supplanted Mahomes
to me as the best quarterback in the game, even
though he hasn't got the Super Bowl pedigree under his belt.

(05:16):
So yeah, I have Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, and I think this is insane. I think this
is this is a crazy take, Kyle uh And I
was I was looking at list of like and this
is happening all over on the board of like Mahomes. Also,
Patrick Mahomes had no offensive line last year. He had
to statistically the worst receiving corps to make a Super
Bowl and still was able to put together a top
ten offense. I get it his numbers aren't as good,

(05:42):
but like, I just gotta suck. What are we doing here?
Like we know, like, no, Mahomes is the best. We
we we should this should be obvious, this should be established.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I wouldn't be surprised if he's the best again at
some point or if he makes a Super Bowl again.
But it's a I just think it's one of those
things where I think Josh Allen has you know, arguably
played just as well, if not better than him throughout
and even in these playoff games that Josh Allen is losing,
he's honestly playing just as good as Mahomes in a
lot of these games. You know, he's he's going to

(06:11):
throw for throw with him, Like, at what point do
we have to you know, what is he supposed to
do in some of these games? Like career wise, Mahomes
is better right now? Overall all that kind of stuff.
Mahomes is, you know, going to go down as one
of the greatest quarterbacks ever. But I just think from
what we've seen the last couple of seasons, it's not
like Josh Allen had an awesome supporting cast. Last year.

(06:32):
You know, we were all ready to write off the
Bills as far as a division champion and all ready
to pick the Jets because we were worried about Josh
allen supporting cast. And what did he do? He went
out and won an MVP with that supporting cast. Like,
I think he's been able to basically just supplant. You know,
he's been able to do whatever he needs to do
to get his team to win. And like that's much

(06:54):
like Mahomes. The mark of true greatness.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I mean, we can say that, but ultimately Mahomes's teams
are the ones that are winning, right, And I know
that it's not it's not team, it's it's not fair, right,
because it's it's easy to just say, well, three rings
to zero end a discussion. That's not how it works. Obviously,
it's a team, it's a team sport. But like I
don't expect when Mahomes had like Josh Allen, we could
talk about his great games against Mahomes all we want.

(07:19):
Mahomes has had ridiculous games against Josh Allen, and we
don't even talk about those because we just expect greatness from.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Him he has. I mean, you know, I still think
two years ago in the playoffs was one of Mahomes'
best game ever against the Bills. I think He's had
great games in the postseason over and over again. And yeah,
it is the mark of greatness that he continually is
able to do that. But you know, I think it's
one of those things where you know, I think Mahomes

(07:44):
is mastered in ability to be great when he needs
it most. I think the prob I think the difference
for me is like the Bills need Josh Allen to
be great at all times, and the fact that he
is able to consistently do it is why they're still,
you know, winning this division pretty easily, making their noise,
and you know, in the position to win AFC championships

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every year and potentially one day win a super Bowl
is because he's able to do it. Basically at all times.
He's putting on the Superman cap no matter what. And
I think that's the biggest testament to Alan, is that
he is just They've needed him to consistently be great,
and he's consistently been great. And I think Mahomes for
you know, if it's just saying, if I want one game,
I'll take Patrick Mahomes, sure, But at the same time,

(08:28):
I don't think he's had to consistently be great all
the time. And they've been able to dodge the bullets
because of their defense, because of other things they've been
able to do to maximize that team.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Again, we don't think forever on pick one. It's not
like Mahomes's defense was that great last year, like I
think like two years ago. I'll certainly give it to
you like fair, but you know, I think over course,
with the careers. Absolutely Mahomes has had better teams and
that's why you can't just say, like, well, he's the
one who wins, so give it to him. But ultimately,
I just I don't know. I feel like, for my money,

(09:02):
Josh Allen wasn't even the best or second best quarterback
in football last year, which is why I put him
at number four in my list because I still have
out of the in my opinion, there are four quarterbacks
that should be the top four. I think anything else
is crazy, But like like are there are negatives of
aut and he does put the ball in harms way
too much. These things got way over blown a couple
of years ago, but they still are part of his game.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
They are part of his game, but I think they're
also becoming part of Mahomes's game where yeah, all the
interceptions also weren't Mahomes's fault last year, but there were
some high risk passes there. I think he's become a
little bit more. I think last year especially, was he
was a little bit more putting the ball in harms
way and making bigger mistakes than we expected Mahomes to
make in some of those spots. And yeah, I mean like, look,

(09:46):
you could argue, for sure, I would listen to the argument.
I didn't think Allen was necessarily the best QB last
year two years ago, I definitely thought he was. But
at the same time, like, I don't think Mahomes was
part of the MVP conversation for a reason in the
last two years, and Alan has been where he won
and then finished second the year before or no, I
think he finished third. But uh, you know, I think

(10:08):
he he's been in the conversation year of the year
because he's consistently been great where Mahomes hasn't been in
that conversation for a while, even though we expect that
greatness out of Mahomes and know when it comes to
the biggest games he's gonna rise at the occasion.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It's fair, it's and and I'll say this, out of
the top four players, Mahomes had the fourth best year
last year and maybe the year prior as well. I
think that's totally fair. But they ended with him being
amazing in the playoffs with exception of the Super Bowl
this past year. But is that's just why I'm still
gonna keep him at one until until somebody got changes.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, I mean it's it's justified. Like you know, if
you're gonna ask me to, you know, nitpick Patrick Mahomes.
It's hard and I've tried to do it here because
it's arguing my point. But at the same time, like
I also am willing to say, like if it's a
if I'm saying I want one game, I'm probably taking Mahomes.
But at this point, over the course of a season,
we've just seen Alan been better, and we're judging the

(11:01):
twenty twenty five season, not a singular game or who
we expected to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, I think to make a hockey reference, I would
almost say, like Conor McDavid didn't have as many points
as Nathan McKinnon or Nikita kuchiov this year, he's still
the best player in hockey. I think that's just how
I viewed my Homes.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, that's fair, and so that's probably why you're taking
him here at number two.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, I am, of course, uh, And we don't have
to spend forever on this because we kind of talked
about it. I mean, you have him at number two,
I'm assuming I have him at number one, Like he's Mames.
What can you say to Hazim and set.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean it's he's the most, you know, he's
the most. He puts the most fear in an opposing
team for one game, right, Like you just know that
he's going to make three or four throws that seem impossible.
He's just the master manipulator. And I think that's the
biggest thing that's changed about Mahomes over his career is
just you know, there's already the mastery with like his intangibles,

(11:51):
the arm was insane, all that kind of stuff. The
way he just seemed to master the game and kind
of you know, it's Brady esque, the way he can,
you know, decipher a defense and manipulate a defense to
what he wants to do. That has just become an
elite level thing on top of all the skills that
he already has. But like I said, I think there
have been a few mistakes over the years that dropped

(12:12):
him down to two for me, And I think you
could you could you could nitpick some of his regular
season performances over the last especially last season, I think
for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, I think that that's totally reasonable. Look at us,
we strongly disagree, but are still cordial. I'm sure the
comment section will be the same.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Absolutely. You know this is you know, people people are
you know, it's impossible for people to disagree and not
hate each other.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Kyle number three, I'm assuming you're going either Burrow or Lamar.
Which way are you going?

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, I got Joe Burrow just absolutely. I think you
could argue last season he was the best pastor of
the football and yeah, I mean it was fantastic. I
mean he was absolutely sensational last year. And you know,
if the Bengals don't get off to that slow start,
they're probably you know, they're in the playoffs. And at

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that point, if you have Joe Burrow in the playoffs,
anything as possible because he is that good. This team
could have won a super Bowl last year if they
were able to get to that postseason. They didn't because
of the mistakes of the defense in the early season woes.
But even in those early season games where we expected,
like Burrow wasn't as good as he was later in
the season middle of the season, like a lot of
those came down to drop passes or fumbles at the

(13:28):
goal line that they lost those early season games. You know,
it was still Burrow was still playing pretty whites out
football throughout the season and yeah, every reason why I
have him number three is that. And if they can
get off to a better start, watch out for the
Bengals next year.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's honestly crazy, like that Week one game to think about,
if the Patriots just lost that game, they would have
had the number one overall pick. The Bengals would have
been in the postseason, assuming everything else still goes down
the way it dies. Yeah, I mean the knock of
Burrow as he starts slow and he plays some against
the Steelers poorly, but like, okay, you'll take that with
the you know, I agree. I had again, I had
him above Allen on my my my list. I thought

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he was insane last year. And again you talk about
a guy who had to do everything. Granted he had
the differences Burrow and the other top four guys is
he has the firepower on in the receivement team, right,
and that just that can be used as a knock
against him if you want to. But like they were
like that that Broncos game, it just felt like, okay,
he has to score here like several times or just

(14:27):
it just isn't happening. And he was able to do
it so obviously does have the postseason you know, most
postseason success out of the top four guys outside of Homes.
So uh yeah, uh. Burrow's incredible.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, he's an MVP candidate every year. It feels like
for a reason, another guy who's just consistently great, and
you know, nobody relied, nobody was notes team was more
reliant on their player being great more than Cincinnati last year,
and he delivered. The rest of the team did not. Unfortunately,
besides Jamar Chase.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
And you know, Drew Brees has had some of those
years whe he just has to throw constantly. Burrow did
not turn but like usually he has a lot of turnovers.
Because of that, Burrow's like turnover the play rate was
one of the lowest in the league. It was a
ridiculous that he was able to have that efficiency wall
having to throw that much.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I agree with you. It was amazing.
I mean, there's not much else he could say about
Burrow other than he's amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Right, Yeah. Number four, I'm going with the guy who's
won two MVPs and probably should have won his third
last year, Lamar Jackson. In my opinion, he's number two
on my list. I think that what he was able
to do last year with again talk about efficiency, he
had the lowest turnover worthy play right in the league.
And yes he had talent around him, that is true,

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but I still thought that he was he was just absurd.
And again I think you can argue any of these
top four guys. I think they're all great, but for me,
Lamar Jackson as of right now, you know, he was,
you know, a guy who why kind of like Allen's
season two years ago. He's still won d MVP. He
was my second pick that year. The best season that
the postseason is the postseason, and if you want to

(16:02):
knock him further for that, you can because he has
had those down postseason performances. But certainly in a regular
season game, I'm taking Lamar over over Burrow and Allen
right now.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, I mean he has his strongest argument to number
one as any of these three guys too. I think
this top four is very much the highest tier of
quarterback play, and I don't think there's a debate. Maybe
one guy gets in there, but I still think he
needs a little more seasoning. So absolutely I agree with
you here. I have Lamar at number four this is

(16:32):
where I contradict myself to where I just said about
Josh Allen and all that argument and all that stuff,
is like, yeah, I think that he him being a
lesser player in the postseason matters in these rankings, and
that's why I have him docked in this just slightly,
even though I just said he's one of the elite
guys and has an argument to number one, like, yes,

(16:53):
Josh Allen lost playoff games, but I don't think Josh
Allen played poorly in losing playoff games. I think that's
the difference that I have in it. I think Lamar
has played poorly in lost playoff games where Josh Allen
has played well in lost playoff games. There's a difference there, obviously,
but people just want to look at the wins and
losses and says it's the same thing. So yeah, the
Lamar playoff record is what it is. The Lamar playoff

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resume is what it is, And yeah, I do think
that matters. If you're going to play poorly in the
postseason at the biggest moments, I think you get docked
a little bit for me, and I think that's completely justified.
So other than that, though, I mean I think this
was his best passing season of his career, and we
already know what he could do with his legs. He
is one of the most unstoppable forces. And you paired

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him and Derreck Henry last year and that was just
in a nightmare for any defense to face last season.
That's an awesome duo. And yeah, Raven should be contenders
for as long as he's there.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, Kyle, I agree. Let's move on to number five.
Where are you going?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
All right? So pretty interesting debate here in my head,
I'm gonna go with the guy who has played fantastic
in two Super Bowls he's appeared in and just won
his first. I've definitely given this guy some flak over
the few years, but he constantly just rises to the

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biggest occasions and proves me wrong in those spots. So
Jalen hurts. I don't think he's consistently the number five
quarterback in the league. But at the same time, if
you're gonna consistently be great in the biggest moments and
when your team needs it most, I think that matters,
and I think that that's what puts him over the
top for me. So I have Jalen Hurts number five.
He's been fantastic in some of the biggest games of

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his career, and he's still pretty good no matter what
you know. I think two years ago he had a
really rough season and took a real step back when
three years ago he was an MVP candidate, But last
season he kind of returned to form, not quite the
MVP candidate, but it was a very good season nonetheless,
and then played his best ball in the playoffs on

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the way to his Super Bowl. So I have Jalen
Hurts here number five, a bit of a gap between
the top four, but I think he's proven with these
Super Bowl performances that he can be the fifth best
quarterback in the league.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, I had about seven. He's someone who one of
the more controversial players to put on a list. A
lot of people do have he but again I just
was curious, so I was looking at other lists people
have had him. I've seen his highest two on some
people's list, which I think is we're getting a little
crazy here, Like you know, I think it's the earliest
would be five for me. I have met seven, just
because it's weird, Like if you said at halftime of

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the Super Bowl, I think Jinglen Hurts is the top
five quarterback. People would have looked looked at you like
you have ten heads, Like, but what happened is then
he played awesome in the second half of a Super Bowl,
won a Super Bowl MVP, and then you think, Okay, well,
the guy's been great in two super Bowls and one one.
Like the question we ask if all these quarterbacks is
can they win a Super Bowl? He won a Super Bowl.
He did the thing, so like you have to give

(19:53):
him extra credit for it. Ultimately, though, I just I
think there's a couple of quarterbacks who are better. Still,
Like I still like, who went banking being better next year?
Like there's a couple of guys I'm banking on them
being better than him.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, I mean I could. I could definitely justify that.
You know, the three of the guys below I think
could actually play better than him in the regular season
next season. But it's hard to bet against Jalen and
what he's been able to prove in some of his
big games throughout his career. So that's just why I
have Jalen in that spot, and I'm excited to see
how he can follow that up and continue to do
his thing. Would you have docted him if the tushbush

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was deemed illegal today?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, that that has to be not knocked out. My
take is that I don't think Jalen Hurts does that
much in the toushbush. I think he's he's if he
don't even touch the ground like it's it's very much.
He does this. He reads the play and he knows
where to go like that part is. But like the
squatting thing, that's just something people say.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, he would have he wouldn't have been a top
ten in my book without that. But yeah, it's a
you know, it's an interesting debate. But yeah, I mean
it's just Jalen is uh. You know, I think that,
you know, there has to be something for rising to
the occasion, and he's managed to do that. And you know,
we're going to talk about one of these guys who
we've both defended a lot, and there's gonna be a

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lot of debated that next season for him, for sure.
So who do you got at number six?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, we'll have to wait a little bit for that guy,
because I am going with someone who did rise to
the occasion. Jayden Daniels, my number five quarterback going at six,
I think some I don't know. I've never seen an
underrated rookie before because usually we always overrate those guys.
But he was awesome last year. You know, you look
at the advanced stats, he was top five in pretty
much every category. I think he should have been in

(21:31):
the MVP discussion last year. Shouldn't have won it, but
he should have been someone we bring up when we're
talking about the top players. To me, again, well, the
biggest knock I have on him is just that we've
only seen one year out of it, so I want
to see more. But like, yeah, I mean if he
does what he did, if I'm expecting the same thing
next year, like he's going to be in the top five,

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and he could even climb the rankings there.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I thought he was. He was great last year. He
was great, and I have him number six. There was
a big jump for him. Obviously. It seems like people
are really scared now to put quarterbacks in this tier
because of like the CJ. Stroud year two regression thing.
But I continue to say, and I'll say it one
more time, like Jaden Daniels last season was better than CJ.

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Strodden his rookie season by a pretty substantial margin, I think,
quite honestly, Yeah, I think he was much better as
even though CJ. Stroud was really good, And I think CJ.
Stroud's advanced numbers year one to year two were very similar,
you know, it's not it's just the touchdowns and interceptions
were a lot different. I think Jayden was a superstar

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last year right out of the gate, so I absolutely
justify having him here. He was six on my board.
I think he's a superstar in the making. And yeah,
I'm excited to see what he could do year two
because this Washington team which didn't seem like it had
a lot going for it all of a sudden as
in the NFC Championship game his first season, and I
think they could do a lot more going forward these

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next few years for sure.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah. I mean when he got drafted there, it didn't
seem like a great situation. And just I mean it
goes to show that if you could have if some
guys just have it, and I mean his rushing ability
and to scrambling, the ability to make those things work
designed runs, and also just I mean his his downfield passing.
If on every deep shot even if someone wasn't open.
He was still putting in the right spot to make
it work. Checks every box right away. So yeah, a

(23:23):
huge Jaden Daniels fan. You ready for number seven?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, yeah, we can keep it moving. So yeah, after Jayden,
I think this is kind of I think that's kind
of a mini tier for me. Maybe you lump these
other two guys in with them, because I think there
is a definitive break after the eighth guy on my board.
But number seven I have justin Herbert, you know, has
all the talent in the world. I'm going to continue
to ride on his talent being the thing. He does.

(23:50):
Get docked now for two consecutive bad postseason performances. I
think those are big black marks on his resume. But overall,
the guy continues to be really, really good and had
one of his most efficient seasons last year in a
Jim Harbaugh offense that completely changed everything he was doing.
They took away a lot of his receiver talent and
he still roast to the occasion he had a rookie

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receiver that was his best receiver last year. Still excellent.
And you know, just another guy where it's like he'll
have five or six throws a game that is just
jaw dropping. You know, you want to see him round
into consistency a little bit to hit that next level
because he is the guy on this list along with Jayden,
that could enter that elite tier and make that top four,
top six. But we just have to see it a

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little more consistent.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, I mean, you know, justin Herbert got a little
bit of MVP votes last year. Not much. I think
that's like one fourth place vote, but like he got
like he was on to board right like, and it
wasn't that crazy. You have a take. That's why I
still had him at six ahead of Hurts. It's weird
if those two guys, right, because undeniably Herbert was better
in the regular season than Hurts, like by a pretty

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substantial margin. Also, undeniably, Hurts was way better in the
playoffs than Herbert. Herbert didn't play well in the player again,
it's fair to dock him for that. I also, I
always push back on I don't think it was that
bad the first playoff game. I think the one this
year was bad. I get it, but yeah, I mean
really efficient, can make every throw. I just had it

(25:15):
kind of melted down against Houston. So you got doc
him some points for it.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, he has to get doc Ford at this point.
Even if that game wasn't that bad, it still wasn't
up to the standard we expected. And you know, you
don't want your quarterback blowing you know, four score leads
in the second half of games. So it wasn't all
his faults. But at the same time, you know, you're
the quarterback, You're going to get a lot of the

(25:39):
blame in those situations too. So I still expect him to,
you know, put it together one of these years, but
we want to see that leap still before we can
move him into that top top tier at this point.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I agree, he's he's certainly not on the elite tier.
Even some games he looks like it. Let's move on
to number eight right on, because we've were almost half
an hour into the show. We've done seven picks, so
we gotta get get moving here. I'm gonna go with
my guy, Baker Mayfield. Why not put Baker here? Listen.
I was just so impressed of him last year. It's
just a bit of a homer take, probably, but I

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was just so impressed with him last year with even
with all the injuries that happened, the way that he
was consistently able to keep the Buccaneers in games. At times. Yes,
he puts the ball in harm's way too much. That
is a knock on him. But with the arm, talent
and the just uh you know, uh good consistently being
able to put up points even one. I know, on paper,

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this offense is great. It wasn't great every single game
due to injuries, he was still able to keep them
in every game, and so I was very impressive him.
I'll keep him here at eight. Uh.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
A bit of a reach for me, but you know,
I think it is a justifiable one. Like you said,
it is a bit of a Homer take, but that's fine.
We love homer takes here. We will arrive for our
Homer takes.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
When you pick Drake Maine next, I mean, we're you know,
we're writing that ballpark.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, exactly. Look, he's headed a remarkable career turn around.
He's been fantastic the last two seasons. I did have
him eleventh on my list, but I could completely justify
and being a little bit higher over some of these guys.
He's found a perfect home. He's been really good in
that situation. He's got great receivers, around him that make
it easier for him, for sure. But he's made some big,

(27:16):
big time throws. If he watched these games, he just
looks like a different player than he did back in
the day. And I am going to be interested to
see how it looks with the new offensive coordinator again.
But he's continued to rise to the occasion, like you said,
and he's had some really really big games for Tampa Bay.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I mean the you know again, the knock he
puts the ball in, harms away too much. But I
just felt like there were just some games where, I mean,
Baker Mayfield is one of those guys where like undeniably
his best game is like, you know, like top tier,
Like even like that Cleveland Brown's game Monday night game
against the Ravens with him and Lamar, We're just going

(27:53):
back and forth all all game, like you know, I
don't know, and it's just fun.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, absolutely fun. And I mean Baker Mayfield's always been fun.
The fact that he's rounded into a good quarterback makes
it even more fun for sure. So I think that,
like I said, I had him just outside, but I
think a top ten quarterback at this point is absolutely justified.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, if I was on bias. He probably be a
couple spots lower, but you know, I am who I am,
So Kyle number nine, where are you going?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah? This was number eight on my board. First time
we're deviating from my list here. It seems like because
I've been kind of dictating this thing, I have Matthew
Stafford next. He was kind of like if you had
the top four, I think five, six, seven, eight for
me are definitely a similar tier. I would have Stafford
in that tier. I think he's absolutely fantastic. You know,

(28:41):
speaking of overcoming some injuries last season, you know Pokin
Nakula was at an extended stretch, Cooper Cup was out
in extended stretch. You know, he's thrown to tow two
out well, and I don't even know is Van Jefferson
still on the team. I don't know. You know, it
didn't matter who was on the team. He was going
to make it where Ben Skowernick's not on the team,
it didn't matter. I have Stafford.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
That's crazy being able to overcome that.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I know, so yeah, he just could. He continues
to show up for LA. You know, some weird trade
stuff begin this offseason, but you know they were a
couple of plays. You know, Jalen Carter made two huge plays,
and if not, we could be saying the Rams were
the Super Bowl champions for the second time in the
Matthew Stafford era. He's continued to be fantastic and he's

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one of these guys like even as I say he's
the eighth best quarterback in the NFL, he's someone that
can go against anybody and match them throw for throw.
I mean, we saw it against Josh Allen in the
regular season last year. He can go against a guy
like Josh Allen and match him throw for throw. He
can go into a Super Bowl against the Joe Burrow
and match him throw for throw. It is a It's

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just one of those things that continues to impress me
about him no matter what. And until I see him
start slowing down, he's in this tier for me.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
I would say I've started to see him slowing down.
We have the first we have, you know, Michael with
a super chat. When's the offseason Live Collin show happening.
I don't know, we could do that at some point,
probably not this week or next week, but we'll we'll
talk about that. But the I think we've seen some
slow down with with Stafford. I mean, I think he's
kind of in a situation where we you know, we

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remember the Bill's game, but like, let's not forget that.
You know, the three next weeks that he played, they
didn't score over twenty points in any of those games. Right,
Like there's Stafford's always been an inconsistent player. He's always
been when he's hot, he's hot, and when he's cold,
he's cold. But sometimes in the same game he'll you know,
sort of throw himself out of it the hole day,
he dug himself in into first half, but ultimately he's

(30:41):
also someone who shows up in the big moments, so
you have to still give him credit for that. He
was great in the playoffs once again, I put him
at fourteen to my list. I don't know what to
do with Stafford, I because I don't think he was
great game in and game out last year, but he
has those big games and then he was great in
the playoffs. So we'll see what happens I guess next year.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, I mean, look, he that's probably what's prevented him
from ever being in a truly elite quarterback tier is
that he has those inconsistent performances, right, you know, I
think that's kind of what prevents it. But at the
same time, he continues to show that at his best
he can out duel anybody, and I think that does
matter a little bit. And you know, I think with
the injuries he had to overcome, especially early in the

(31:22):
season for the Rams, Like, I think his ability to
overcome a lot of that and still kind of persevere
and have a really good season matter to me. And
I think that matters to the Rams and why they
made that trade for Jared with garreed Goff at the
end of the day, because he's able to still do
that at his very best and carry a team that
is missing several pieces. And you know, if they get

(31:42):
a healthy Nakua and Devonte Adams next season, like this
team could absolutely just crush teams in the NFC next year.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, I mean I could totally see it. Like, I'm
not gonna argue against Stafford. I'm just not, like, what
do I expect next year. I expect him to have
some awesome regroacy in games, some games where he just
doesn't really show up, doesn't do a lot, and then
if they make the playoffs, expect him to be great
in those games like, that's just that's those are my
accipations of Stafford. So where do you want to rank that?
I don't know. He's one of those guys where you
could you could talk me into he should be five.

(32:10):
You talked me into he should be twenty. Like I
get both.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, I think it's just fun. You know, well, we'll
see how he looks again next season. But you know,
they added some more talent around him with DeVante Adams.
It's gonna be fun to watch, all.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Right, Kyle, Well, number ten, I'm going with a guy
who you said at one point deserves MVP consideration last year,
Gino Smith. Gino Smith is a guy who I think
is one of the more underrated players in the league.
He's number nine on my list again Seahawks. The brutal
offensive line, the way that he was able to still
somewhat make it work last year, did have some weapons.

(32:43):
But just just watching him, I mean, he runs an
offense really well. He's a very good playmaker, and I
expect him to be very good for the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Absolutely, I have Gino's fifth number nine on my list,
all right. He is absolutely that level of a guy.
I think he absolute. Like you said, he overcame a
lot last season despite having weapons, I don't think that
was necessarily a fantastic situation. With the play calling and
with the offensive line. I think he did a really
good job running that team. I think his arm talent

(33:13):
is still very special than why he was a high
draft pick like he was. And yeah, I think he's
gonna be a great influence for that Las Vegas team.
Getting a guy like Rock Bauers Jacoby Myers, like, it's
not devoid of talent either. I think they're gonna be
really fun to watch next year.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, I mean, and obviously Ashton Genty to hopefully help,
you know, get that over the middle stuff going. Yeah,
I mean, Geno Smith is one of the I think
the biggest. I think it's box scorre stats were like
just not very good last year. He had one of
the biggest differences from good play to bad box score
stats I think in the elite Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, the advanced stuff love him a lot more, and
I think that's a lot closer to who he is.
I think he's a fantastic quarterback. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Okay, Kyle number eleven, where are you going?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
All right, let's go with this guy. I mean, like,
could you I think you could definitely argue if you
guys below him. But at the same time, he's in
a great offense. He's getting a great system, and he
runs that system almost to perfection at this point throughout
the year. I'm going Jared Goff. You know, Jared Goff
is maybe the definition of a system quarterback. But this

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is kind of the beginning of the mid tier quarterbacks
for me, and he's going to lead that mid tier
group for sure because he's put in a system to
really excel, and he excels. Like I can't hate him
for being awesome in a great situation because it'll be
interesting to see how it looks without Ben Johnson, but
they're kind of hoping that it still looks the same.
A lot of the same pieces are back, and I
think he could still continue to be awesome in that system.

(34:37):
So I think he throws the ball incredibly well. He's
got great arm talent. There are still things that frustrate
you about Jared Goff, but even then, I think beyond
even that, I think he's gotten better at some of
the things that he struggled that early in his career.
I think he's better under pressure than a few years ago.
I think he's better in some of those situations. It
obviously didn't work out in the playoffs, but he has

(34:58):
still had some Monster Monster games by improving and also
being really good with what he's giving.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, I mean Adam at thirteen, I'm right right around
here with him again. He is another guy who will
get people put him at top five like he is
someone who again just like we talked almost the inverse
of Gino Smith, where I think that the numbers get
sometimes overinflated, but doesn't mean he isn't good. It doesn't
mean he doesn't do things to help out the team. Yeah.

(35:25):
I mean again, I always get branded Jared Goff hater
because I always hate on Jered Goff, so I guess
it's fair. But he's not a playmaker, puts the ball
on harms away too much, but ultimately can still run
the offense very well and fits that scheme perfectly. So
that those are my Jared Goff thoughts. I think totally
fine having him at eleven.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's justified. But at the same time,
there are still words, you know, I think the you know,
if you just look at the box score numbers for
some of the big throws, you're gonna be like, Wow,
this guy's amazing, but there are still plenty of mistakes there.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna go another guy who I think that
if you just watch certain games or look at certain
box score numbers, might not look great. But I think
it's an underrated player. Here Kyler, Kyler Murray here at
pick number twelve. Kyle, Listen, let's just get the elephant
in the room out of the way. The two most
important games were the two Seattle games for him, and
he played poorly in both those games, so ultimately you

(36:20):
have to dock them points for that. He still does,
similar to Stafford, have that inconsistency, but without Stafford's you know,
knowing this to show up in the playoffs, right, So
you have to dock him for that. But I mean,
he had some great games last year. I mean when
he was on, he was as good as anybody. So
I still, ultimately I think I was. I was pleasantly
surprised at what we saw out of Kyler after a

(36:42):
couple of seasons ravaged by injuries. So yeah, I like Kyler.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I do like Kyler. I did have him fourteen, and
he's a guy I think could be a lot higher
when they by the end. If we did this list
at the end of the season, he could end up
a lot higher on it. I think he, like you said,
his highs are very high. His lows are incredibly low,
and I think that's why I adocked him a little bit.
You know, it still wasn't enough to push that Arizona
team over the top. Granted that team still had plenty

(37:10):
of holes that they had to fix, but I think
he played well at times. I think there's still a
lot of things he can improve upon. But yeah, I
think Kyler is still a great talent and it's gonna
I still want to see him kind of package it
all together become a great quarterback. I guess my question
for you is, like you know, you mentioned his inconsistencies,

(37:32):
His inconsistency is vary a lot more than Stafford to me,
So what is the justification for having Kyler over him?
Where I think even Stafford's highs are greater than Kyler's
highs and stet Kyler's lows are lower than Stafford's lows.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Even I don't think they very I don't I think
last year we saw more Kyler was better more consistently
than Stafford was. I think Stafford kind of was fine
for most games and had the occasional like pop. I
think Kyler was pop more frequently than Stafford was last year.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Okay, that's just fine. I mean, yeah, it's just he
had some great games, especially early in the season. But yeah,
it's just you know, we want to see that put
together throughout an entire season. And that's still one of
those things too where it's like, you know, can he
survive a full season, you know, between injuries or like,
you know, he's certainly cooled off in the second half
of seasons more than the first half. So it's just

(38:25):
one of those things that if Kyley puts it together,
he could be near the top of this list, you know,
but we just need to see it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
And I also say, like against the Jets, you know,
whereas like Stafford was beating the Bill. So I think
like that that also is part of why we remember
to Stafford games more than the Pyler game.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah that's fair.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Okay, Well let's move on Kyle number thirteen. Where are
you going?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
CJ. Shroud, Like, like, is it perfect? Is it awesome?
Not necessarily all the time. You know, I think that
his rookie season hype excelled his performance, and I think
that brought the hype back down to earth a lot
of a lot. But I think the performance was very
similar from year one to year two. I do think

(39:10):
that it wasn't that much of a difference. And still
I think c. Stroud played pretty well and still got
the Texans to the playoffs and still managed to win
another playoff game. I still think he does a lot
of things really well. I think that, you know, I
think I think it's fair to question CJ. Stroud's ceiling still,
but I think he is a good quarterback to have,

(39:32):
and he's at least somebody could be confident in building
around and get excited about. So Yeah, I think that CJ.
Stroud still does a lot of really good things. His
extended play stuff is still getting better and better. Not
a great offensive line, but they you know, he's managed
to do okay in the situation.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, I'm surprised to see the chat was very much
bringing up Stroud earlier than we had. You know, he
was number twelve on my board. He goes year at thirteen. Yeah,
I like Stroud. I think it's a good quarterback. Yeah,
I'm not like anti CJ. Strout at all. I think
that Again, it's weird where like I think sometimes people say,
how could have this player over that player, But I
think they're pretty similar, Like with you know Stroud and

(40:10):
then you know Kyler. You could flip them if you
want to. Uh, Like, I wouldn't fight you on it
too much. Yeah, I mean I think it did some
really nice things. I do think that you get him
a better offensive line things things could work out better,
like I you know, I don't. Yeah, and he and
again a guy who showed up in the playoffs. I'd
had two really good playoff games. Well, struggle at the
beginning of the Chargers game, but once once you had

(40:31):
that weird like fumbled snap play, uh seemingly turned it
on and played great for that and was good against
Kansas City. So uh yeah, still want to see him
run more. He's such a good runner. Run more. CJ.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, it definitely would be helpful. It adds a lot
to his game. But yeah, I mean he's continuing to
play well. I also had him number twelve, but we
each had a quarterback lower picked, So you know, I
think it is an interesting spot there. But yeah, I
think that this is probably where he belongs right now.
Can he get better? Possibly, But we just need to
see a little bit more out of him, especially as
a runner in you know, taking a few more shots

(41:03):
down field I think would help too. Maybe it is
the offensive line thing, but you know, I think he's
got some good things there.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, next on my list, I'm gonna go with number fourteen,
the fifty three million dollar man, brock Purty gets selected.
He was actually eleven on my board, but a couple
of your guys went before mine. Uh so that's why
he falls here. But yeah, I like brock Purty. I
think he's again he does enough as the game management
stuff in the Shanahan's game for that to work. I
think it does a really good job when plays break down.

(41:31):
Like yeah, I think I think brock perty is a
piece a quarterback who no one can seemingly properly right,
But I think around here is where he should be rated.
I think he's a good quarterback.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, I mean he is. He is fine. To me,
I don't have any.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Enough I have him said Helm was not Oh yeah,
I agree, Okay, sixteen, I mean we're not I guess
we're five spots off.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
But yeah, I mean, it's still not far off from
here though, Like I think he is a good, solid quarterback.
Do I love the contract that he just got that necessarily,
But at the same time, he's run that offense really well.
I think his extended play stuff has added another element
to the Kyle Shanahan scheme that they didn't have with
Jimmy Garoppolo. And you know that whole plus throw of

(42:12):
quarterbacks they were running before him, even you can go
back to Matt schob before that, And I think he
does a lot of that stuff really well. But there
are still a bunch of mistakes. For me too, I
think he puts the ball in harms way too much.
I don't think the arm talent's there. I still think
that limits some of the offense. But at the same time,
he runs the offense well, he can extend plays, he

(42:33):
can run, he can make the right decisions at times.
He's just, you know, gotta limit some of the mistakes
to move.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Up For me, Yeah, I think it's totally Fair's let's
keep things moving here. Kyle fifteen, Where are you going?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, he's thirteen on my list, Like you know, if
we did this list last season, he was probably much
much higher. I have Dak Prescott again. The playoff stuff
is what it is at this point. The resume docks
him for sure, but we have seen him very healthy.
They play very very good football, and like, I think
he's going to be very good this season. And you
know it is it a bit of a head case maybe,

(43:09):
but like there is a chance that he's back to
being like, what was it his second in MVP two
years ago. There is a chance he's back to that
category with George Pickens and Cdee Lamb next season. You know,
I think that's a pretty interesting pickup for them, at
least for this season. I don't know what the long
term aspects of her going to be, but Dak Prescott
still can run an offense really well, still has the arm,

(43:29):
still has the talent, and I expect with more talent
at the receiver position, he's going to be even better
next year.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, I had him at nineteen, which sounds so disrespectful,
but like I would challenge anyone out there listening, like
make a list, Like there's a lot of good quarterbacks
out there. Like I feel like like nineteen this year
is a lot better than like nineteen three years ago,
because you're right, I mean, coming off the injury. I've
never been as huge of a Dak Prescott fan as
other people have. That's just you know, I just disagree.

(43:57):
It is what it is. But ultimately, like I do
agree that he has had some good you know, some
good seasons and things of that nature. So yeah, I
mean I think this is totally a fine place to
put him.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you with the list thing,
Like you're gonna see this really quickly. I think the
mid tier of quarterbacks is actually pretty good. Now, Yeah,
the list once he hit twenty, it's all like pure
speculation or like projection. I think I think the top
nineteen is very much a defined cutoff for me. But
I'll be interested to see if you agree.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, no, well I do, but we'll get into it.
Number sixteen, which is number fifteen on my list. I'm
going to a here, who I think the injury stuff
you just kind of have to dock him because like
it's just every year at this point that something's going happening.
So like that's the issue. I do think too is
still really like a great game manager. When he is
you know, when he is healthy and when he's able

(44:49):
to do things, he can still you know, he's come
a long way when it comes to playmaking. So in
terms of pure game management, you can make an argument
for him as like the best in football, Like just
in in terms of that, like he is really good.
It's just the injury stuff and he isn't a playmaker
that you know most of the players Abovamar, but he
and I still want to put him at bat and
just saying you can make that argument. He's very good

(45:10):
at that.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, another guy. He runs the offense excellently. I similarly
to what you just said about Dak Prescott, have him nineteen,
you know, I still think he can put the ball
in harm's ways. Sometimes he's going to deal with some injuries.
I can't rely on him to be out there, you know,
year round. And not to mention, you know, he has
Week eighteen at New England, December at Pittsburgh in December

(45:34):
at the Jets. You know, we have three cold TUA games.
How's he going to survive those? I mean, I just
think it's one of those things where you know, he
very much has weaknesses, and I think those are very
defined and that's kind of why he's towards the lower end.
But you know, he's had some awesome season statistically, he's
had some awesome throwing seasons, and you know, I wouldn't

(45:55):
be surprised if he put up big numbers again next year.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, he just needs to, like he needs to go
like the Southern hammsh during the winter and like or
during the summer, I mean, and just like get a
winter in, you know, like during the off season.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, go to Antarctica for a few months. And just like.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I was just saying, just go to a place that
you could live where it's cold. But you sure you
can do that if you want.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, no, you got to go extreme. You gotta just
get it out of your system.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah maybe maybe Kyle seventeen, where are you going?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Uh yeah, fifteen on my list here, let's keep it moving. Look,
when this guy is on, it's another one of those
guys that looks absolutely awesome and you could argue as
a future top five quarterback. When it's off, it's rough.
Jordan Love the most consistently inconsistent quarterback on this list,
but Toyota than Jordan is absolutely amazing. The other months,

(46:47):
Jordan still has some growing pains, for sure, but we've
seen this guy for long stretches of the last two
seasons look like an absolute menace and look like one
of the best quarterbacks in the league. And I still
to bet on that talent, even though you know, he's
viewed as a young quarterback, but he's been in the
league almost, you know, five years, and we just need
to see that next level for him. Can he put

(47:08):
it together for a consistent seventeen games. If he does,
he's gonna be a top ten quarterback when we do
this list next year.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's pass Like, You're right, his
stretches are great, and you can make the excuse last
year well, he was injured, although he also played some
poor games late, which once Tooton ended that was not
related to the injuries. So I don't know. I'm about
twenty two on my list. I just I think Jordan
Love's very overrated. Quite frankly, I just don't think that
he like people. It's the Packers thing and the fact

(47:35):
that he has had great games. So if you watch
him on one of those great games, like you're like, wow,
this guy's really good. But like there's unlike the other
inconsistent players like Jordan Love very much is a coin
flip as too. If he's gonna have a positive or
negative game, let alone like a good game or a
fine game type of like he's had bad games, He's
he's not an imperfect player, and he's plays in a
great situation in Green Bay. So, like listen, the potential

(47:59):
was this could take this take could age horribly if
he can put it all together next year. But to me,
he still is a player who needs to put it
all together.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think famously we had our first
year we did this. We did we had Josh Allen
like twenty on the list, right, and then he was
amazing the next season. It took that leap. So it's
definitely looked bad before in the past. For us, I
agree with everything you said. I'm still betting on the
talent to win out just a little bit. And maybe
that's why I have him a little bit higher. And

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you know, there's still a lot of speculation, I feel
like for a lot of the guys below him, and
you know, at least we've seen Jordan Love play really
good for an extended stretches. You know, I think we've
seen some good and some bad from all of these
guys below him, But like, I don't think it's been
for as long as Jordan Love as.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Well, all transition to one player. That is, you could
argue it is very similar, and maybe I'm being hypocritical
with fits, but I think at least he was great
for the end of this past season. I think you
could actually come to a turning point as to why
he was great the end of his past season. Give
me the Carolina Panthers starting quarterback Bryce Young here, who
was number sixteen on my board. He goes at number eighteen, Kyle.

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I'll say this, I think Bryce Young the second half
of last year put together a better stretch than anything
Jordan Love has done. I thought Bryce Young was like
I think people viewed it as oh okay. I guess
he showed some flashes at the end of the year whatever,
because no one was watching Carolina at that point. He
was really good once he came back from the benching,
like he was doing a lot of really nice things,
like those Adam Deelen routes were just automatic. I mean,

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I was very impressed with Bryce Young towards the end
of last year, and I had written him off once
he got betched.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah, I mean it is justified, you know. I think
the one thing is, like it still felt like there
was a little bit of some training wheels on him
at times, Like he had some like big throws late
in games that they had to come back in and
make some plays. He had some really nice overtime wins
to end the year. But at the same time, like
it wasn't like not everything should be based on raw statistics,

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but at the same time, there's a lot of games
with like sub two hundred yard passing for because you know,
it still seems like they're playing it safe at times
with him, and I just want to and a lot
of that could also be justified by the state of
their receivers last year, So I am correcting myself on
that for sure. But like I do want to see
him like also be statistically impressive along with the tape

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looking better. So I think that's something that I do
want to look at. But at the same time, race
Young did play a lot better last year. It is
a small sample size, let's see if you can continue
to get better. But yeah, I mean it was a
huge step forward for what was a disasterful year one
in start of year two, so I think it could
absolutely be better this season.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, I mean the numbers aren't aren't aren't pretty, But
you also think about like you look at im talk
about a bad situation. I mean, they had a horrible
offensive sporting cast and made it up for it by
having a horrible defense like he had to do like everything.
The fact that we're even competing in games was because
of the play off.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Him absolutely, I mean he he definitely made it worthwhile
to end the season. You know, it was. It was
the most exciting, you know, two and six stretch of
a team for a long time, right, Like they definitely
needed that, they needed that performance from him, And yeah,
it got better. You know, I think I'll be more

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of a believer if it happens again. And it did
get a lot better at times, like you said, but
I just need to see a little bit more than
in like a team. You know that that five touchdown
performance against Atlanta, it's doing a lot of heavy lifting
for me there still.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, I also have to say Michael and the chat,
I always quick the comment when I bashed the Panthers,
hear him being positive and nowhere to be found.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, I mean, you know, people people say this is
a Panther hater podcast. I say, look at the look
at the resume. But you know, you know, here we
are and nowhere to be found. Unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, in fairness, I'm kind of still using Bryce Young
two hit on the Panthers by seeing like by saying like,
he's so good and look how bad the situation is
and he's still playing well.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, I think that's Uh. They were bad. I mean,
I don't know, there's no other way to put it.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
They would answers are bad. Like we can move on,
Kyle nineteen, where are you going?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Uh? Sam Donald, like didn't end great last year, but
still had a good year. You know, I'm gonna be
very interested to see how this looks next season, because
you know, he had great receiving corps. They got hurt
towards the end of the season, but it was still
a pretty good offensive line for the most of the year.

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It didn't end well, so I'm gonna be I'm gonna
be interested to see this is a much much worse
offensive line in theory for this next season. There is
a couple of weapons there, obviously, in Jackson Jackson Smith
and Jigba at least one weapon. So I'm gonna see
how much different Sam Donald looks this season, and it
could make me look fullish. He could end up being

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closer to thirty two, But he played well enough last year.
I think it justifies the ranking.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah. Absolutely, you're one hund percent correct everything. He said
that there is a chance that this falls off a cliff,
but he did have a very good year. I still
think he holds onto the ball for too long, and
I have concerns about, you know, going to Seattle if
that's your issue, but hopefully to have a healthier offensive
line and that makes things better. Yeah, And I mean
it's just the we've seen him most of his career
play poorly. We've seen him one year play really well.

(53:26):
Is that who you are? Or was that one season?
I want more of a sample side, So I had
him at eighteen kind of for the same reason.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, So it's definitely gonna be an interesting conversation. But
you know, he got paid for it, and you know
they're they're hoping it works out for him for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, number twenty, I'm going Kyle one of your favorite
quarterbacks Bo Nicks here, who I had at seventeen on
my list ends up going twenty, which feels a little low,
But again, there's a lot of good quarterbacks here in
this stretch, so it's hard to differentiate yourself. Did a
really good job of running the offense last year, did
not have a great receiving corps. Did have Sean Payton
in a really good offensive line, so that obviously helps.

(54:03):
But yeah, I mean, I think he did a very
good job of being able to, you know, to just
do to simple rundie offense stuff. Is he going to
give you too much other than that? Well, at times, yeah,
at times he was able to make be a playmaker,
I thought as well. So, like, I don't know, I
think that the ceiling questions certainly remained, but he's shown
that they at least have three years of a quarterback

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on a rookie deal, and that's that's always nice.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
It is nice. I think he proved a lot last season.
He definitely exceeded my expectations. You know. I think he's
got a lot working for him, for sure, and I
think that this is a this is gonna be a
big year to prove it again. He's in a great
situation with Sean Payton, I wish they added more talent
around him. They've done a decent job still, and I
think bo Nix has a lot going for him. I

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did have him twenty one. I still I still think
it's fair to question what his ceiling is as like
a quarterback and what like the best Look, what's the
best version of Bonnicks? Is it top thirteen? Possibly? You know,
I just don't know how much Hired is in that,
And I think that's why I still knock him a
little bit. But you know, he he looks if you're

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going to define game manager as far as quarterback goes,
he looked every bit the game manager you needed. And
he has got a little bit of mobility about him too.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, what's this? What's the world where he is a
better quarterback than say like Jared Goff?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, I don't know, like even that, Like if he's
running Detroit, could he be better at it? Potentially? Like
he's probably he probably could also run that offense pretty well,
But he also doesn't have the arm talent Jared Goff does.
You could maybe say his escapability would help him a
little bit more, but I think it's a different player,
you know.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, I agree, maybe the best jump ball wide receiver
on this list.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
That is very true. Yeah, I don't know how many
guys would you take above him on this list.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Hmm, just on like principle, I would assume like Josh
Allen would be good at it, you would.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Hope so, otherwise I'd be concerning.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Probably not Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, Joe Flacko would be towards the bottom for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I think so. He might also be towards the bottom
on this one. Kyle, twenty one? Where are you going?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Would Anthony Richardson be too tired to catch the jump ball?

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Maybe? Perhaps?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Listen, you had a homer take. Now it's my turn
for a homer take. You know, we're not talking about
twenty twenty four, where bo Nix was better than Drake
May in twenty twenty four. We're talking twenty twenty five,
where Drake May will be better than Bonnicks in twenty
twenty five. I had a nineteen on my list and
he's going twenty one here. Listen. He had extended play

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metrics that matched Lamar Jackson and some of the best
quarterbacks in the world. He had a completion percentage over
expected that was among some of the best in the league.
Was there still turnovers? Yes? Where there still mistakes there? Yes,
But I think from a situation goes like this wasn't

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Carolina bad, but it was still pretty darn bad. Bad
offensive line in front of him, rookie play caller in
front of him. He gets the They add a lot
more weapons this offseason. They add to this offensive line,
their brain in Josh McDaniels, who has done very good
as an offensive coordinator in New England, especially with quarterbacks.
And yeah, I think Drake May is gonna have a

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very very good season and I could see him even
being much higher on this list by the end of
the year. I think he's got all the physical tools
to be awesome. I want to see him clean up
the turnovers. And yeah, I think projection wise, I would
bet on Drake maybing a lot higher than a lot
of these guys.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Well, of course, because you're gonna be making the pick
next year also, so of course he's gonna you're gonna
bet on him being higher next year. If he has
a little bit of improvement, then it'll be top ten.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, I just need a lot of bit of improvement
for a top ten. But I think that, you know,
the talent is definitely there, and the flashes were definitely there,
but there was also some There's also some really bad moments,
for sure, but we also saw moments like the you know,
the Tennessee game at the end of the year, where
he looked amazing and you know, he had some awesome,

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awesome games and awesome, awesome throws he did.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yeah, I'm full I had Drake Matt twenty five. But
it's it's totally just, uh, how are you going to
be next year? Is my thing. I think I like
the potential, I like the way he's building, but like,
are you gonna be able to be a finished product
next year? Just a few people I put ahead of him, including,
you know, a couple of players from the rookie class,
obviously Daniel's but then also bow Knicks and one other

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player that will get to when we get to that player.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
All right, looking forward to seeing that. But yeah, I mean,
I think the potential is definitely there for a few
of these guys. I'll be interested to see how all
these guys look here too, But I still think his
ceiling could be among the highest of this class. Still,
I think that we still saw those throws in those moments.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
A ceiling draft. He's hired. In twenty one. Absolutely he's hired.
And maybe Sam Darnald he's number one, maybe, just maybe possibly, Yes,
I think so. Number twenty two, I'm going Russell Wilson,
who I just thought was like pretty good last year.
Like this is the opposite of like the like he's
not a super high ceiling quarterback, but he was pretty

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solid last year. He'll probably be pretty solid this year
of the Giants.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, I think it's a safe pick. He's twenty two
for me as well. He's kind of the benchmark of like,
were you good last year or were you bad last year?
It feels like all the guys after him were pretty
bad last year at times. And yeah, I think that.
I don't know what it was with the first half
of games last year that he couldn't play well in
the first half, but he was awesome in the second
half of a lot of games. And yeah, there, you know,

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he's gonna have a lot of moments where it's like,
you know what Malik Neighbors is down there somewhere, let
me just put in another patent did perfect deep ball
and make that work?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, I think so. Was there any thought about Jackson
Dart over Russell Wilson. No, right, it's just not right,
not now.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
No, not ready for that. I think it's definitely a
plan in place to let Russell Wilson start next year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yeah, I think so. We number twenty three. Where are
you going?

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Like I said, were you good or bad? Last year?
This has started bad to me. Trevor Lawrence, I think
at times played bad. I'm still a Trevor Lawrence defender.
I want to see him play better. I think he
could absolutely be higher on this list again, another ceiling
draft guy. Let's see Trevor Lawrence healthy. Let's see Trevor
Lawrence with a coherent offense. I think he could be

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a lot better than what he's been. I think that
he needs to They need to challenge him to be
his best version of himself. They added talent this year.
Let's see what he can do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah, very very bizarre quarterback. Don't know exactly what to
make of him. He is someone who I think, similar
to Jordan Love, has had like those those ups. He's
had those like stretches of like wow, this is really good,
and he's had stretches for I'm like I just don't
know this guy's working in the NFL right now, So like, yeah,
I'm a twenty three on my list actually, so right
in locks that there, although I do have a player
on my board that was ahead of him still, but like, yeah,

(01:01:00):
I mean again, he has incredible arm talent. He's a
great athlete. I do think that two years ago when
they were to one seed for a couple hours and
then lost like every game after that and missed the playoffs,
Like I do think that he was kind of keeping
them in those games and then he got injured and
then they just there wasn't enough left last. You know,
injuries a better part of it, but also guys who

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get injured to continue to get injured, and he he
doesn't protect himself well, so like that's also part of it.
Is it's not only are you being inconsistent, but you're
not being getting on the field enough, similar to maybe
like a Marcus Mariota. So yeah, there's just there's there's
too many issues. You just hope he can find his form.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
If you're a Jacksonville fan, yeah, you gotta hope for
it or else here looking for a quarterback probably next
season even potentially so it'll be interesting to see how
it looks. But uh, yeah, he's got to prove himself here,
and he still looked very good at times. But you know,
I think the issue for Lawrence was that he had
such high expectations and he hasn't delivered to them to
the point where we were defending him because like it

(01:01:58):
was becoming unfair. But then he started playing worse and
it made a heart of event, right, So you know,
it's gonna be very interesting to see how he approaches
next year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, like people had got off the bandwagon too early
and it's like, well, hold on a second, I think
it's gonna be good, and then, like the bandwagon, I
crashed into a tree. Yeah, exactly, Kyle number twenty four
on my list. So I guess this is a we
should talk about it beforehand if this guy's gonna be
on the list or not. But I put him on
because I'm just I've gone to this pair offseason assuming

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Aaron Rodgers is a Pittsburgh Steeler, and so because of that,
I'm putting him as the Steelers quarterback. And I have
Aaron Rodgers twenty one on my list, twenty four here
on the board.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I didn't have him there on the list. I had
Mason Rudolph. But you know, I would probably have Aaron
Rodgers twenty three on my list, above Trevor Lawrence, but
behind Russell Wilson based on last year's performance. So I'm
perfectly fine with him being up here. I agree, he's
probably in the same range for me. Yeah, if we're

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assuming he's gonna be the quarterback of the Steelers next year,
I'd probably have him right around this range.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I will say, the way people talk about Aaron Rodgers
last year is just not true. Like he was fine
last year. He was perfectly a capable quarterback and people
act like he was like a garbage like that's like again,
the other stuff of Rogers is fair to bring up,
but like on the football field, like he was I
don't know, like a top like fifteenth best quarterback in
football last year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think the problem is is that
they didn't needed him to be more than fine, and
so I do think that there are weaknesses now in
his game. He doesn't want to get hit, he doesn't
want to move, he can't extend plays like he used to.
The arm strength isn't quite what it used to be
at times too. I think those are all justifiable things.
But he's still you know, Aaron Rodgers. He could still
run on an offense really well. He could still make

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some inch perfect throws at times. You just want to
see a little bit more of everything else than, you know,
a little bit better chemistry with his team.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, well, maybe he'll still retire. I don't know. Well,
remigins to be seen kind of a weird, weird thing,
just a sign of a team Aaron. Number twenty five, Kyle,
where are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah, Bason Rudolph would have been thirty two on my list,
so sure, I think that's fair. Twenty five. I have
Kleb Williams here, Like, I still think I think it's
going to be a much better season. It seems like
there's a much better plan in place. There is definitely
some really really rough games, really bad Kleb Williams games

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last year. As the biggest Kleb william fans prior, you know,
we took our lumps, But I can think you to say,
there's still some really really good moments that I think
people forgot about too, and where he saw that talent
kind of seep through and based on all this stuff,
you know, do I think he needs to get better
at things? So I think he needs to improve. Absolutely,

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there are a lot of things he can improve and
get better at. But there's also a lot of performance
stuff from the coaching staff from the off season reporting
from the stories that have come out since then, that
it just did not seem like they were prepared to
develop this guy at all or had a good plan
in place. That I'm willing to give him some bet
for the doubt and still say the talent of the
number one overall pick, who had a generational talent was there.

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So I'm gonna give Caleb Williams a little bit of
the benefit of the doubt and still say he has
some fantastic games last year at times too, and I
think there's a there's a case that he could be
awesome next season, and he's got a much better situation now.
So yeah, give me Caleb.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I get it again. I'm not out on Caleb Williams
for his career. I still just think that like he
got essentially no development year one, like there were some issues.
He still holds onto the ball for too long, you know,
all that stuff. He takes a way too many Sacks.
I had him at twenty eight, which again feels disrespectful,
but like also it's it's just one of these, a
couple of these quarterbacks who were in like the you know,

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the twenty four to twenty eight range, one or two
of him are gonna be great and makes the list
look bad. But how do you predict exactly which on
Wednesday will be I think Williams will be good eventually,
and I think he's in a perfect situation, but just
will it beat us next year? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, I mean we'll see. Yeah, it's definitely very much
a projection based thing. But you know, you could argue
that Nope, of these bottom ten quarterbacks, you could argue
nobody has done more to help their quarterback next season
like he has now definitely, without a doubt, the best
situation of any of these bottom ten quarterbacks, between what
they've done with the offensive line, what they've done with

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the coaching staff, adding more receiver talent, like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I would push back on, I think JJ m McCarthy
with the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
That's fair, yeah, very fair. Yet JJ McCarthy still has
a great situation. But they have done a lot of
really good things this offseason to where he should really excel.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Yeah, number twenty six, another young quarterback. This is the
guy who I had above Drake May, also above Caleb Williams,
Michael Penn's junior. I just I just, quite frankly thought
he was better than those two guys last year. Like
sometimes it's just simple who was the better quarterback last year?
And I thought that he was. Again, he had his
rookie mistakes similar to May, but like I thought, and

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he wasn't a better situation than those two guys. Undeniably true,
but like, yeah, I just thought, I mean, he still
had to come in and it's essentially right away he's
playing like in the you know, heat of a playoff
race and was able to still you know that that
game against Jayden Daniels where he was able to still
play well and kind of hang with him. Like I
just I thought Penics did a lot of really nice
things in his rookie year. So, yeah, I have him

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at twenty four on my board. He goes here at
twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I have Pennix in this range too. I think
I had him twenty seven, But like, I still think
there is going to be a case that he's going
to be a good quarterback next season. I'm still basing
a lot of this. It feels like on my draft
projections for a lot of these guys, and you know,
of the next three guys, of the next three guys
on my list, he was third on my rankings. So

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I think that's kind of where I just keep him.
There's good moments last season, for sure. I think there's
still some bad moments in those games, but I do
think he played well to end the season coming into
a very tough spot. But yeah, like you said, he
had some really good moments, and you know, I think
he could absolutely have a bounce back a really good
year too.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Yeah, very small sample size, hard to say for sure
what will happen? But number twenty seven, where you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Going twenty seven, twenty six on my board, Let's let's
go cam Ward, Like you know, someone's gonna be there.
Like I said, I think projection wise, like if you
were to rank the young quarterbacks based on where I've
would have ranked them, I think, projection wise, I had
him as a higher graded prospect than Michael Pennix, and

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that's why he's ahead. But we'll see, We'll see what
happens there's gonna be some growing pains there because that's
not a great situation. But I think he could. I
think he They're banking on him potentially being a franchise guy,
and I think he has that talent.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yeah, I had the same way I had him at
twenty six. You dock him a little bit just because
like he's someone who, you know, we haven't seen play
football yet and if you're gonna, you know, and he's
someone who I think is a I don't say a
full project, but there's a bit of project traits to
him that you're gonna have to get out of his system.
So you're just gonna expect that. I don't know if
right away it'll be awesome, but like eventually, I agree

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with you, very high on him coming out of college.
So always hard to for Yeah, exactly where you put
the Rukies this year? There's only one, but yeah, it's
like we're in lockstep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So, Yeah, I think it is a
It's gonna be interesting to see him next season. I'm
excited to watch him. I think he's very fun. But yeah,
I think he's got a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Yeah, number twenty eight, we're kind of I think this
is the last of the I guess technically not the
last of the young unproven players, but JJ McCarthy at
twenty eight was number twenty seven on my board. Again
a player I liked coming out of college. I did
not have as high up grade on him as cam Ward,
but in a great situation and did get a year
to learn behind Sam Donald. We'll see how well it helps.

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So I got another completely unproven guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah, completely unproven guy. But we just saw a guy
that had a career year in this situation and he's
stepping into it. And you know by all the reports
he was going to start over Sam Donald last season
right before the end.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
I think that's all going to It's we all felt
like they were going to but I thought they kept saying,
oh no, Sam Donald's a guy, but we were all like,
but it is he though. I think that was the
the feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Because didn't he have an awesome preseason game and it
was like, okay, here we go sort of thing like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah, it's just all I'm saying is all the reports
were not saying that he was gonna start. It was
it felt like that's what was gonna happen. But there
were reports saying the other way, the other way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah, but yeah, so I mean we'll see how it goes.
But yeah, absolutely he could have been the starter last
season at the very least. And yeah, I mean he's
still got talent and he's going to a great spot.
Anytime you're going into a team of Justin Jefferson, yeah
and those offensive tackles and Jordan Edison all that stuff,
you're in a good spot. So yeah, I think that
they're gonna be uh, I think they're gonna be very

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good still next year.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Yeah. And Kevin O'Connell, who's you know, the I mean,
the fact that he believes in JJ McCarthy has to
say something. Granted, I guess, uh Kyle Shanahan believing Trey Lance,
So maybe not, but yeah, maybe it means something.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Yeah maybe, I mean I don't know. Kevin O'Connell has
proven to be awesome at uh awesome anybody does you know?
It's a great situation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah, Kyle, four picks left number. We're getting down to
it here. Remember twel who is the twenty ninth best
starting quarterback in football.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Joe Flacco. Baby, here we go. Okay, he's back back
like he never left. This guy is just the King,
what a legend, absolutely going for another season. And yeah,
I think he's the best quarterback on the Browns roster
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
So yeah, I also had him on the list. I
had him at thirty two. I mean, like he's you know,
he's in his forties. You know, I'm a big Joe
Flacco fan. I'd love to be wrong. I mean he did.
It was the weird thing last year with the Colts
where he like came in and played okay, he had
a really good game against the Steelers and ultimately won
the starting job, only to immediately flame out so badly
they had to go back to Anthony Richardson after just

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a couple of games. So like, you know, well, we'll
see what happens. But yeah, I can't get too at
least everyone else on this list in theory has potential
to be a you know, a more long term answer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
They do have potential to be a more long term answer.
But you can also argue at times he played better
than Anthy Richardson last season. I think that's part of
the problem. But yeah, it's a it's gonna be a
tough one. Uh, It's not a great quarterback situation regardless
but Joe Flack go was back for another year. I
have to put him on the rankings higher than thirty two.
Disrespectful to elite Joe Flacco.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
You're you're correct, it's Super Bowl MVP. She should be
at least all all justin, he's all. Make him thirty
one on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
My list, all right, thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Okay. Number thirty is Anthony Richardson's teammate Dale Jones, who
I put on my list because I think Dale Jones
is the better quarterback. I think he's gonna win that job.
So I think Dale Jones has shown flashes of being
solid again. I think you know, he's someone who with
the Giants was usually at least higher than this on
the list. So like, I don't know, twenty nine thirty

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feels fine for Dale Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Yeah, it's fine. I had Anthony Richardson thirty one, Like,
I could definitely see Daniel Jones being better next year
or starting next year. But yeah, it's just uh, I
still think it's gonna be Richardson, but we'll see. But yeah,
I think Daniel Jones is better right now for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Yeah, and in fact usually be doing what it's just
who do we think is better not necessarily who do
we like, you know, not necessarily who will start? But
who who would? Who do you think should start?

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Yeah, that's fair. Maybe I messed up that one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
You're right, well whatever, I mean, we were not. We're
very loose, loose at the rules. I pick the quarterback
who isn't even on a roster, So it's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Okay, that's fair. Uh, I'll keep going. Yeah, number thirty here,
I had Justin Fields. He was fine last year. You know. Yeah,
I think he rightfully got benched, but I think at
times he played pretty better than we expected. I don't
know if it's going to go quite as well in
New York, but I think it was justified to give

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him another chance with the contract.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Yeah, I agree. I think again, I think there's a
lot of good quarterbacks, like I legitimately think that the
exception of I mean, I would say top thirty quarterbacks.
I think all could potentially be successful, like Dale Jones,
like Justin Field's. I could see this working. I could
see Fields finally working out, being one of those guys
that once he finally gets in the right situation, things go.
Well is it the right situation? I don't know, but yeah,

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I was in favor of the signing. It's a flyer
move that the Jets know that they're not like guaranteed
a great quarterback with fields, but there's a at least
a potential here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Could you see Joe Flacco finally working out what.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Do you mean finally working out? Guys? Guys got the
you know, a bunch of trophies, well specifically one trophy
back home.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
I just want to make sure, all right, Yeah, number
thirty two is was technically number thirty one on my board,
but then I got bullied out of that, so now
he has to drop the thirty two on my board.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Tyler Shuck of the New Orleans Saints, who kind of
just has to be the default thirty two. He was
a second round quarterback pick who maybe will work out,
but it's just such a such a wild card at
this point at the Saints. Obviously the Derek Carr thing.
Now he is the starting quarterback, so well, you know,
we'll see how discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Yeah, we'll definitely see how it goes. Really tough situation
to enter. There is some talent on the Saints team,
but at the same time, like this team's dealing with,
you know, Ryan Ramshacks having like a major, major injury.
Is he even playing next season? I don't know what's
going on with that. Is he retired. I don't know
what happened there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
But he didn't retire. I'll check, but I thought I
heard he retired.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
I thought I heard that too, but I don't know
if it's confirmed. But anyway, Yeah, between that, Derek Carr
retiring this offseason because of an elbow thing, and like,
I like Tyler Shuck in the draft, but at the
same time, he was the number four rookie quarterback on
my draft board. So I think it's definitely one of

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those things where you know, it's a really tough situation
to ask him to then step in and start, and
I think he is going to start. It could be him,
could be Spencer Ratler, but it's not great either way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
And to be clear, one of the guys that we
both had above him on our draft board was Shuldar Sanders,
who ended up being the second quarterback taken by the
Browns in that draft. And it's also the starter of
that team went up only a couple spots earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah, yeah, not great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
It's not not correct. And the environ Ram Chick did retires.
Also not great that when you go into a team
where it seems like everyone's retiring early.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Yeah, everyone's getting hurt. Is this just a yeah? Uh
not great? Not great at all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yeah, well it's good for me as a Bucks fan.
I mean, I don't want see guys get hurt, but
the good that you know, it's not a good situation.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah, I think you could just put Saints is not great?
That was That's basically been their slogan the last couple
of years.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
I think so. Uh, Kyle, let him know. You can
find us on Twitter before we head out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Of course you've like audio only podcast anywhere to get
your podcast search on the sideline. Podcast should be available there, Kyle,
should we just keep things wrong with the list? Should
we do the head coaching list next week?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Yeah? Yeah, let's keep it going. Uh, I am I
am definitely down to keep it going. So let's do
coaches next week?

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Yeah, Kyle, A lot to talk about the NHL and
NBA world. We've already gone along, so we can't spend
forever on it. I do thin get your thoughts still
on the uh you know, as Key Red brings up
the Maple Leafs once again, just the unbelievable run that
this team is on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Yeah, I'm never going to root for Florida, but at
the same time, like you know, we if you weren't going,
if you didn't bet Florida going into that game, or
just expect a Leafs loss, then you know, I don't
know what you were expecting. You know that that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
The six to one dominant.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I don't know. We have
a few things that we have, few things in life
that we can come to enjoy and just expect. You know,
one of them has been ruined with Tottenham Hotspurs winning
a trophy today, even though that was a gross trophy
and a gross game, one of the worst soccer games
I've ever watched. But yeah, Toronto Maple Leafs crumbling in
the playoffs is another thing that we can grow to

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just expect at this point, especially when Brad Marsham's on
the other side.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah, right, Uh, five minute it's not five and zero
now against the Leafs in game seven. Yeah, I mean
that was so. I was watching on the plane back
from my uh my, my honeymoon from Mexico, and it
was just like the whole game. It's just like, how
is just like the can the whole the buck was
in the leafstone the entire game. That was one of
the worst games I've ever seen a hockey team play, Like,

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just period.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Were you just cackling the entire time?

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Well, especially when there was the butt saved that happened.
I was. I was watching out a plane and just
trying really hard not to just bust that laughing that
that got me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think it is a uh it's it's
been an interesting ride. I think Toronto fans just have
to feel they changed the managers, they changed the roster,
they change everything, but you can't change get rid of Yeah,
you can't get rid of that, that stench of what
that franchise is. At this point.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Well, they still keep the same core guys, though, it's
the whole core four that it seems like it seems
like now that's gone. I mean a big bitch. Marner
got a beer thrown at him by his home fans.
I've never heard that before. I've never heard home throwing
beers at their own players. Yeah, not surprising that Toronto
has the team to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
But yeah, yeah exactly. So Yeah, I mean, what a ride?
What a ride?

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Indeed, p Ban says, why haven't we seen the honeymoon pictures?
That's true. I should have first things first, shared it
with the my YouTube chat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah exactly, that's exactly what we need.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Yeah, I think so, Kyle. That is our show. Any
more thoughts already the NBA has been fine, but we
gotta get going any more thought You're right in head out?

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
No, we can head out, but been in long enough
day right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Thank you everyone. We will be back next week to
talk about the thirty two head coaches. We'll see if
Zach Taylor can be better than thirty two on the
list this year. That is our show. Thank you to everybody.
Until next time, have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Peace,