Ranking the top 10 QB's in the upcoming 2025 NFL Draft

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the On
the Sideline Podcast with Jackson and Kyle. I am Jackson,
and I'm joined here as always by the man who's
updated twenty twenty four lists consists of a Drake May
ten times in a row, Kyle, Kyle, how are you doing? Uh?
Doing good?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Drake May is savior. You know what a rookie quarterback
class we got last year. Not expecting that big of
expectations for this season, but you know, we had a
lot of fun with that group.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah. Quite the draft class last year, not quite the
draft class this year. I think this is definitely one
of the weaker ones, but we're still gonna spend a
whole hour breaking it down. I think we might spend
less time than usual on kind of the I don't know,
five through ten range, but there's still some interesting quarterbacks
to talk about on this west.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, it is an interesting conversation because, I mean, the
let's put it this way, so obviously, there were six
quarterbacks taken in the first round last year. That's an
anomaly in its own right, right, you know that doesn't happen,
And there's a lot of talk of should there even
be a first round level quarterback in this draft. I
think I have one in the first round pretty firmly.

(01:49):
I think I would even like, if I were to
combine the two classes, I would even have one inside
that top six range.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
However, I think people forget about after those six quarterbacks
in the first round. The next quarterback taken last season
was round five, and I think there's a lot of
players that would take before Spencer Rattler, who was the
first round, fifth round quarterback in this class. So like,
it's definitely not a top heavy quarterback class, but there's
a lot of interesting third, fourth, early fifth round candidates.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
For me, gotcha, Yeah, there's a there's I have a few.
I'm still not honestly in love with even some of
the later pick, but there are there are some I have,
you know, several tiers that we'll get into just a
second before we do. Zachary Stewart with a super chat
that says, Raphael Devers, what's going on with him?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Hey, he hit yesterday, so we're feeling good about that.
Finally got a hit and we we beat Baltimore into
two out of three, So feel good to have that.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Red socks are back. That was I did look and
see that they start off like one and four after
you taught hyped up the season. But it's baseball. Things
take time.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, he was also like of nineteen to start the
season with fifteen strikeouts. It was honestly, I don't know
why they even put it. He should have started the
year in triple A. He didn't pick up a bat
all off season because he hurt his shoulder at the
end of the year, and then he had twenty spring
training at bats and they're wondering why he stinks. It's like, well,

(03:11):
I could have told you that, but now you know
the top of the lineup starting to hit, so maybe
we get going here. Crochet looks awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay, well, now to everyone has clicked off of this
show because we're talking baseball, let's get into the list.
We're gonna count down from ten to one. I would
say that my top eight are players that I'm like,
this feels like an NFL caliber player ten and nine,
And honestly, there's even a couple that I have in
the this tier five for me as well that are
kind of like the I think in the right situation,

(03:39):
if they hit their ceiling, things could work out. But
I'm not in love with these players. So again, for
those of you who haven't seen it before, for those
who haven't seen this, the way it's gonna work is
I'm gonna give my list kind of down ten from one.
Kyle also has his list, and he'll let me know
when I say a name where he had that player,
and so we'll see if we have the same ten

(04:00):
that make the list. I have Curtis Rourke out of
Indiana at number ten on my list. Big guy, usually
an accurate player, but you know, he's six or five,
but also doesn't quite have the army maybe would expect
from someone of his size, and just an older prospect
as well. So yeah, I mean I think in the
right situation, could he be someone who can run an

(04:20):
offense perhaps, But ultimately I do think if you're drafting him,
you're probably drafting him to be a backup.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, I like him. I mean I have him ninth,
and I kind of agree with the same thing. Like
and it's just one of those things where it's like
there's this like a very small chance and there was
a small chance that worked out for brock Party, but
to me, there's just like a small chance he's Brock Party, Like,
you know, he he was very good at Ohio for
several seasons, transferred to Indiana, had a really good last season.

(04:48):
They had a you know, their best football season ever basically,
and he was awesome in that year too. So, like,
he's played a lot of football and he's been really
good at football for a lot of years. How much
of that translates to the NFL, I'm not really sure
I buy into a whole lot of it, but I
have him nine just because, like, yeah, I think there's
a chance that he could stick around for a few
years as a backup, and you know, the slimmest of chances.

(05:10):
Maybe he's a rock Pretty type because he that was
a similar guy with a lot of wins in college,
a lot of experience in college, and I just kind
of see that as a similar profile.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
The drinking game is going to be how often we
bring up Rock Party, right, because that just kind of
it's almost become its own new draft position that we
talk about. Because of obviously him being drafted last overall
and then being a good quarterback starting, there is questions
into maybe, you know, if you get put in the
right situation, could you be good? And yeah, I agree.
I think that that's exactly what this player can be,

(05:44):
you know, And I think what you brought up as
well is important. I brought up his age. The good
news is he's had good years prior to this season.
Because I you're a one year wonder at twenty four,
that's concerning. It's less concerning when you're not a one
year wonder.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean obviously it was the Maxo level
of competitions conversation there, But I mean I think he
proved at multiple levels he can be a very good
quarterback and with different talent levels around him too, And
I think he had some really big games throughout his career.
I think all that's kind of important. And as we've
seen time and time again, like the quarterbacks with more
reps in college seem to do better in the NFL.

(06:17):
Like that seems to be the one consistent thing we
found in evaluating quarterbacks is like those one year wonders
don't work out as well. So, I you know, I
think there's a lot to like about him. But yeah,
I mean, still talent wise, he's going to be a
later round pick, if not undrafted. But I think there's
an interesting thing that someone's gonna take a chance on

(06:37):
him on a practice squad and maybe he works his
way up. But yeah, I think there's there's some things to.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Like, come on, said Jks would probably put Gough eighth
on this list. Always a hater. Yeah no, yeah, couldn't
you just see Curtis work Like ten years from now,
we see him like, you know, he's like starting a
game as at the backup. It's like, oh, yeah, that guy,
he's still you know, he's still around the Chase Daniel move,
you know, just yeah, exactly his paychecks.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, I could see it. Definitely. Yeah, He's my only
one I'm putting in the Brock Party comparison. I have
one Taysom Hill comparison. I have one Brock Party comparison.
And that's about it.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay, Yeah, I think I got like four or five
Rock Party comparison. So we'll we'll get into it. But
let's go to number nine again. We don't spend forever
on some of these. This is another player who I
have in my I'm not even sure if you're a
drafted player, but someone I could see being an NFL guy.
I'm going Tyler Show out of Louisville. Another old guy.

(07:32):
You know, he's a one and he was a one
year wonder when he was twenty four years old. The
thing is is, I thought he played well last year,
a guy who you know, we can make the Brock
Party comparisons with some of these guys. I think the
one thing we forget with brock Party is he was
a really good player, like kind of where he was
at his best in college was going to play broke down,
whereas in the you know, NFL, obviously the Shanahan's scheme,

(07:55):
you don't have to be great at that. He could
just be good enough and then add value on a
play breaks down. Show was not that He quite frankly
reminds me of Will Levis sometimes when a play breaks
down of just you know, this kind of panic setting in.
I don't love him there. I do think he really
needs to be in a good situation because I do
think he ran an offense randy offense very well last year.
I do think he has an NFL arm. But the

(08:17):
age concerns and the when a play breaks the playmaking
concerns would probably have me not draft him, or if
by board of draft him would be very late in
the draft.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah. So here's my first hot take. I guess I
have him four.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, okay, yeah, this is a hot take, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I understand the age all that. So here's my
here's my Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Defense.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
He was a highly touted recruit. I mean it felt
like every season until his last season he dealt with
an injury. And that's obviously your concern is can you
stay healthy?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
But you know.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
That that second year at Oregon, where you know he
was a red shirt sophomore, he threw fifty hundred yards
thirteen touchdowns, six interceptions. He led the college football in
only seven games played because of an injury. Again, in
nine point three yards per attempt. He had a one
to sixty quarterback rating. He actually played pretty well at
that level. Transferred to Texas Tech. I thought he played

(09:15):
pretty well at Texas Tech two before all those injuries
for three straight years again, and then, like you said,
so the injury thing is very much a concern. But
I thought he played well almost every stop he went
to and just got derailed until this final Louisville season
where he put it all together for a really good
thing season. I thought he's athletic for a guy as

(09:36):
big as he is, you know, he throws the ball
pretty well and he's six five. I mean, I think
there's a lot to like as far as just an
overall skill talent. So like, you know, this isn't like
a guy who slipped through the cracks and ended up
playing like seven years of college football. This was a
highly touted prospect for a reason because he's big, he's fast,
he throws a good football, he's moderately accurate with it

(09:57):
two at times, and like I think think there's a
lot to like as far as that skill set goes.
It just he everything went wrong for him in college,
and it's like I just think there's a situation where
if I'm going to take a chance on the quarterback,
Like I think the intangibles, the skill set he has
is something where if everything goes right, I think it'll
actually work out because he has so many like intangible skills.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Interesting for for still seems a bit high. Let me
ask you where would you So my take is kind
of I think he's a Day three guy would depending
on where you're at quarterback wise, you would draft or
not draft. Uh where would you draft him?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
What is day two, three, Round three and four? Right
that's around two and three, two and three. Yeah, I
would have him end of day two and maybe early
day three, so round four ish round end of round three.
That's probably where I have it. I mean, that's just
kind of where I evaluate this class. I have two
guys that I would have three guys, sorry that I
have fourth round grades on two guys. I have fifth
round grades on and then two borderline seventh round and

(10:58):
round drafted in ten. So yeah, I would have him
end of round three, early round four. I think he
could be kind of in that range room.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Gotcha, Well, there's a you know, I'm just doing the
math in my head. That means there's another hot take
coming before too long, because I think most people viewed
the top four as a typical four. But we'll get
into all that. So let me ask you then, if
you're the fan, does it concern you? I mean, the
injury stuff concerns you. Does it concern you? How Like?

(11:27):
I wasn't overly impressed if his athleticism, and I wasn't
impressed when he didn't have a place to go with
the ball. I didn't love that part of his game.
I agree he was a good college quarterback, but I
just I have concerns about how well his game will
translate to the next level.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, canny improvised canny do like you said, you know,
if you're gonna make that, like, can this guy be
a rock perty as a late round pick thing? Canny
like extend those plays. I'm not entirely sure about that.
I do think he's a little more athletic than he
leads on sometimes and he can do it, but he
really hasn't done it for a lot of his career,
which is the issue. But I think when you have
design run plays, I think he runs the ball well,

(12:02):
so can he translate that into a more extended play
thing I think is gonna be the biggest challenge for him.
But yeah, I think in structure is definitely where he thrives.
And the hope would be that he could go to
a situation where he can work a lot in structure.
That the issue is that that's not a lot of
the modern NFL, So he's gonna have to develop that
aspect of the game. But I think he has the

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intangibles to do it.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, he's I agree. I think I have my notes.
He runs in a straight line well, but he just
can't turn. That feels like kind of like his where's
alet goes? And outside my notes, he needs to be
in a good situation. Would you agree with that, even
as someone who's a big fan of or a bigger
fan than most of him.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, definitely. I mean that's probably the case for anybody
outside my top two guys, like I think that they
probably need the perfect situation for it to work out.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Gotcha. Well interesting because I think I'm gonna be higher
on a couple of guys at the top of the list,
but I'm definitely maybe lower lowered than is it how
do you say his last name? Show? Or is it? Uh?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I heard almost like shucking like oysters, but it's like
shug or something like that. Yeah, that's my first, uh,
first complaint. You can you gotta You can't be a
quarterback and have a tough name. You gotta at least
do to Louis ck thing and just change it to
how it's phonetically spelled. Yeah, don't want to do a
lot like Louis k.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, I guess, oh yeah not usually someone you say
you model your things off at.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
The Yeah, that's fair. Who do you got an eight?

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Got eight? So this is another tier jump for me.
These are the guys who I'm like, I can see
you as an NFL player. I think that probably are
guys that I would drop. I don't know if these
are Day two guys. Maybe in the right situation they
might be, though, so I'm going uh. Dylan Gabriel at
number eight Oregon, a former UCF guy who is now uh,

(13:49):
you know again older prospect played for a while. To me,
I see him as a potential Gardner Minshew type of
someone who can throw down the field. He can throw
under pressure. I do think he doesn't have the best
foot work. I do think he misses some throws, and
I do think that he takes too long to get
off of his first read. But again, I see him
as a guy who could potentially have some, you know,
some value in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, I have him at ten, like I see the
vision for him, But I don't know. I watched him
a lot at UCF, obviously being a student there, and
then obviously he played some big, high profile games at
Oklahoma and Oregon, so he's had a lot of big
game experience. I just I don't know, man, I feel
like every time I watch him He's been at multiple

(14:33):
high profile stops, like that UCF offense before he left
was a pretty good offense too, Like it wasn't like
he went to like a scrub team or anything like that.
And then he went to Oklahoma and Oregon, which were,
you know, teams competing for playoff spots year after year,
and he just never did enough to wow me. And
I just don't know if I can really buy into
that situation. Like you said, I think he's pretty accurate

(14:55):
with the football, but it just feels like every time
I watch him, the ball hangs up in the air,
and I just don't know if he has the arm
for the NFL. He doesn't have the athleticism, and he
doesn't seem like the biggest player every time I watch him.
So I see the vision for it to potentially work out.
But I do think, yeah, the minshoot thing is probably
the best case scenario, and you know, maybe he could

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be a good backup like that.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, I think. I mean again, I think have to
be said again, everyone outside of my top four are
players that I'm not crazy about, But for Dylan Gabriel,
I think the thing that I look at with him
is with Minshew the way he was able to work
in the NFL was when he got thrown in. His
mobility and kind of ways to throw on to run

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and ability to at least be accurate down the field
allowed him to just be good enough to stick around
and translate immediately, because for a lot of these late
draft picks, and it's not good enough. You don't get
five years to be good. You kind of have to
be good right away. And I think for someone like Gabriel,
I think he could at least translate a little bit
better right away, which he might have. He'll have to

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because he's not going to be a high draftic if
he even gets drafted.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, I ain't look like you said. He went into
a lot of offenses and adjusted and succeeded in a
lot of ways. But yeah, I mean there's a reason
he's still this low in the list despite playing at
all those big places, because yeah, I just don't know
if the top end talents there for him.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, some people are saying that a negative is he's
a lefty. Is that a real thing we're doing now?
Where I un ironically saying lefty is negative?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
It looks weird, man, Like.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I used to say that jokingly, it's become like an
actual thing.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I don't know. It looks gross when he throws it.
That's the issue.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
It does. It does well. Let's look at someone who
you know, I think, depending on who you ask, could
say it looks gross or doesn't look gross when he
throws it. Let's go to Quinn Ewers, who is someone
who I think is pretty good arm talent. Although definitely
his deep ball will go to the moon and back.
I mean, he throws that very high. But someone who
I think moves well he can throw on to run.
He's a young player at twenty one. But this is

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where things get a little weird with these later guys,
because it's like, would you rather Dan Gabriel, who probably
should be okay right away, or would you rather someone
like quintin yours who you might have to just have
us two B three right away? Because I do think
he's a project. I do think his footwork is tough.
I think you make some bad decisions down the field,
and I think that there's times where you just you know,
who haven't Anthony Richardson like throw where he just throws

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it nowhere near where he's trying to hit it. Towards,
but there is enough arm, talent and enough athleticism here.
I think he's still an interesting enough prospect to again,
probably on day three look at if it's the right situation. Yeah,
former top overall prospect didn't quite work out the way
he did, but he played good in college at times.
I think he got a little more criticized than deserved
at times. But he had some mistakes and he has

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some growing pains that he still has to go through.
If you're talking to yourself into Quinn yours, which I
have him fifth, so I have him a little bit higher.
If you're talking to yourself into quin Yours, you're talking
yourself into the pedigree that he has a big arm
and then he has a lightning quick release and those
are things that do translate well. I think his release

(18:06):
is really quick, he gets the ball out nicely. I
think those are things to like.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You don't always like where the ball goes sometimes, but yeah,
I think there are things to work on, and a
lot of that does have to do with footwork, like
you said, because it does seem like it's a little
bit of mess at times. But yeah, I think you're
talking yourself into the arm talent with this guy, and
I do think he has arm talent. There's a reason
that he was a highly regarded prospect in that for
that reason. And there's still a lot to light there.

(18:31):
But you just have to find tune some things that
he didn't seem like he got to fine tuning, whether
at Ohio State or Texas.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, and that's the question mark that you just have
to have with someone like yours is you know, I
think a lot of people sometimes fall in love with
this kind of prospect because, oh, everything they need to
fix is fix the ball, it's the footwork stuff. But
it's like you gotta keep in mind, like and he's younger,
so it's a little bit easier to yourself and to do,
but he's been playing football his entire life a certain way.
It's not always so easy to Josh Allen a guy

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get them to change their fundamentals, Like, it doesn't always
work out that way.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, No, I mean I agree, like there's a lot
that he still has to overcome as his own player,
and he for him to reach the potential that he
once had, it's gonna take that sort of situation. But
I do think the whole aspect of I think when
it comes to quarterbacks that aren't like the top level prospects,

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like if you don't have top level tape, to me,
I am more than willing to take a chance on
a guy with arm talent rather than a guy with
not And I think that's why he's gonna get drafted
higher than people, especially people who didn't like him in college,
which there's a good amount for you know, he played
a lot of big games. Texas is a team that
people don't like either for those reasons, I think he's

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gonna get taken higher than people would like to see him.
But I still think that is the reason why you're
talking yourself into quin Yours is strictly off of potential
and arm talent rather than what you actually see on
the tape.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, he might be someone too that you a team
that doubles down on a quarterback, like what the Patriots
did with Joe Milton, who is now longer with the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah. Yeah, And Joe Milton was the same thing. Highly
regarded prospect. He could throw the ball a mile. There's
a lot to like it that as far as that goes,
But he also didn't play very good quarterback in college. Football.
Quin youwers played better quarterback than Joe Milton in college football,
but it's the same thing though he has he has
the arm talent you're gonna fall in love with, even
though it still feels like it's a long way to

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go for him to be a starter.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah uh Loo Sauce in the chat says, this is
the first time I've ever seen yours over show. Yeah.
The I'm just calling him show. Sorry, this show pick.
I think people are critical of Listen, he's, you know,
seventh on the consensus big board. He's below yours on
the consensus big board. It's not that hot of a take.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
No, I don't think I thought mine was hoppy calling him.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
For somehow I'm the one getting all the criticism.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I had these guys four and five, So I mean,
I don't know. It's okay, we were all allowed different opinions.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's okay, we're all gonna Yes we are we are. Yeah.
Draft takes always get some controversy, which is part of.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I don't think it's great. I think it's also great
when we call this a terrible quarterback class and then
like criticize people for like opinions and a terrible quarterback class, Like, uh,
all of these guys that were criticizing are probably going
somewhere between rounds four and six, which is just a crapshoot. Anyway,
it's just the guy you like the most. You know,
there are guys who, it seems crazy would go in

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round four that a team just has higher rated because
of some analytic or something like that. That's the same
thing with these quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, my number five, I'm like, yeah, maybe I draft
him like that. That's where I'm at with these guys.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah. So I mean, like, like I said, I like
the middle of this class a little bit more, but
at the same time, like I still think it's all
kind of a crap shit. You're just kind of basing
off of your talent.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yes, Luna seems to agree as well. I'll move on
to number six to give Kyle's dog a chance to
cal him down. Will Howard is my number six. This
is the guy who I have as my Brock Perdy
comp which, again the way we compare guys that Brock Party,
it's never actually fair because he's very different than Brock
Party because I don't love his creativity and he I
do think that essentially the way he works is he

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throws to his first or second raid every time, but
he does that pretty well. He can be successful in
design runs, he can throw off balance, and he can
move well. So again, he feels like someone who, in
the right situation, could be an effective quarterback. Although I
still do have him in the same sort of Tier
four with these quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I have him six and I basically just rode
He's fine. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just a lot
of interesting aspects to him. Right, Like, he transfers to
Ohio State, which seems like kind of like a promotion situation,
but at the same time, he transferred from Kansas State
to Ohio State. And there's a lot of people in

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college football media who think he would have lost his
job at Kansas State if he didn't transfer to Ohio
State because they had this other kid that played okay
last season. But anyway, yeah, so there's a lot of
people in the media who thought if he didn't transfer
from Kansas State he was going to lose his starting job. Anyways,
and he goes to Ohio State, which, like you said,
you want this guy in the perfect situation. There's not

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many situations in college football ever better than just Ohio
State year after year, where you have the best receivers
all the time, you have halfway decent offensive lines and
have defenses that are going to play well as well,
and you got two NFL running backs behind you as well,
rotating in and out. There's not many situations better than that.
And he was fine, and he was fine, and guess what,

(23:30):
fine at quarterback was enough for me to win a
national title. Does a tournament to an NFL starting quarterback?
I don't think so. But at the same time, he
still has some interesting you know, he can make the
throws on time, he can work on schedule, but yeah,
that there is absolutely zero creativity, it feels like to
his game.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, he's like the top. He's like the guy that
whenever one talks about Ohio State quarterbacks, he basically is
that guy of like, oh, yeah, sure you were great
at Ohio State, but what I work in the NFL
probably not, which is fair. So I mean you can't
just do that. You have to look at the player itself.
And I think for him, he would be a guy
who I would really want to like if I was evaluating,
really want to pick his brain in the process and

(24:09):
be you know, like really kind of understand how he
actually views the game and how much of it is
just the system and how much of it is him.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Right, you know, you know, is he a one read guy?
Can't he make multiple reads? How does that all work?
But yeah, there's a lot of just throwing it up
to uh, what was the kid's name, Jeremiah Smith? So yeah,
I think that is that he he needs definitely a
really good, good situation to be drafted to.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, for me personally, I think that, like I would
say as well, I think he can't throw to a
second read. You know, I don't know if he goes
further than that, but I do feel like he can.
Like you know, football usually is like it isn't just
there's one read it there a lot of times it's okay,
you have you know, if this is happening, you do this.
If this is happening, you do that. And I think
it does a good job of that part, you know,

(24:56):
the the you know, the thing that Jared Goff is
great at. He is I'm not saying he's as good
as your God, but he that's something that he can
do as well.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, I have to ask just because not to get
us too far off topics. Okay, watching him? Did you
watch Jeremiah Smith?

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I really I kind of just lock in on the
guy I'm paying attention to. I'm really bad at like
noticing but who they're throwing to and stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah that's fair.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah he's funky, I'm got yeah, Okay, understood it. Yeah,
any other will Howard thoughts you're ready to get onto
our final five?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, we can go to top five.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, and again we're kind of blowing through the back
half of this. As I mentioned, we'll spend more time
on the top four. Five is where things get really interesting.
This is probably my hottest take, although again I'm not
like that much crazier about this player than I am about,
you know, some of these other players. But I'm going
with the guy out of Minnesota, Max Brosmer here, who,

(25:55):
again I think a lot of people wouldn't have in
their top ten. And I'm not saying that I think
that he's I can't miss prospect or anything like that,
because he is small. He just quite frankly struggles to
throw down the field. So I still don't know if
he's anything more than a Day three guy, but I
think he sees the field. Well, he has a quick release,
he can run and he has really good zip over
the middle. Again, can you work if you can't get

(26:17):
the ball down the field? I don't know. Can you
work being kind of a skinnier guy. I don't know,
but you know I like him at the most out
of these day three flyers.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, I see the vision for it. I did have
him off my top ten list. I just think when
you're not a certain size, like how many guys with that,
like something crazy and tangible wise, like whether it's you know,
Colmers athleticism and also arm honestly, or Russell Wilson's athleticism

(26:49):
and arm. You know, when you don't have that as
a smaller guy, how does it work Because at a
certain point, like football is not all in intangiort, but
there's a certain limits. I think you it's going to
be difficult to overcome. Maybe it works out for him,
but I think that's also a very difficult thing to
work out.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's fair. I'm looking at, you know, the PFF grades
for passing down to field intermediate. He's at ninety three
point one, which is one of the best, one of
the best in the league. Last year deep grade is
at seventy one point nine, which usually that's a higher grade.
So that's like bottom quarter of just quarterbacks in college
last year, So that's kind of just where he's at.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah. Yeah, there's just you're gonna have to run a
very specific offense for him, and I think you're just
dealing with physical limitations that are going to make it
more difficult to overcome. So, like I said, I see
the vision. I think he is a very smart player,
and honestly I wouldn't hate him as a backup just
because it seems like he knows the game pretty well.
And it's like just you know, your Tim Boyle situation,

(27:53):
but he played better than Tim Boyle in college obviously
most people did. Yeah, so like just having a guy
who's smart in the room, I wouldn't hate it, But
I just it's gonna take a lot for him to overcome,
and I just I need to see that work.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah again, I think that he can kind of work
in a Gardner Minshew way of you know, Minshew can't.
Mintchew kind of has a similar profile. Actually a smaller
guy who can't throw down the field, but he was
just able to get minche was able to do enough
down the field to make himself still work as like
a high quality backup. Maybe Brosmer can do the same.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, I could see it.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, Kyle, Well we have four players left. One of
these guys is going to be someone who you're not
a not a fan of which I'm interested to see
if we'll get there. I have this player in a
tier of the role. This is someone who I think
is a probably like a it's a Day two pick.
I would say this is purely a Well, I'll just

(28:47):
get through the player. We can talk about him, Jalen Milroe.
I have at number four on my list, someone who
you asked me about earlier and I said, I like,
essentially my point of Jalen Millroe is I don't get
why someone like Anthony Richardson goes number four overall and
someone like Jaylen Milroll we talk about as like a
third round pick because he is. He is an electric runner.
He can make some great throws. I think he can

(29:08):
process plays quickly and get the ball out of his
hands when plays are open, and you know, huge arm,
complete opposite of back sprosmer. He can throw it deep.
He's good at throwing it deep. Definitely has has his issues,
which we will get into. Uh, there's definitely aspects of
his game that aren't great. But ultimately I think that again,

(29:29):
for a developmental guy, i'd like, especially if you're not
spending a premium pick on him. Kyle, is this the
guy that you are lower on? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I have him, mate, Okay, Okay. So if I'm gonna
play Devil's advocate, which I guess I will because I'm lower.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Let's not devil advocate. You just we disagree.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, so if I'm playing Devil's advocate on Jaylen Milroe. Though,
if we disagree on this, I guess the counter to
the Anthony Richardson comment would be if Anthony Richardson had
as much tape as Jalen Milroe, I don't think he'd
be a first round pick. And I think that's part
of the problem. I look at Jalen Milroe and I

(30:08):
agree with you. I think there are a lot of
games where Jalen Milroe is the best player on the
field and it looks fantastic, or the best athlete on
the field and it looks fantastic, And then there are
games where it seems like he plays competent teams and
I'm just not really about it. And I think that's
the issue that I just have with Jalen Molroe. I mean,

(30:30):
just looking at the facts of it from the beginning.
You know, he backed up who is the last quarterback
before him? Was it Mac Jones? No, not Mac? Was
it Mac Jones? Anyway? He backed up quock it out?
Oh yeah, Bryce Young? Yeah that is so, he backed
up Bryce Young. They asked him to move to receiver
before he ever started a college football game at quarterback.

(30:52):
He didn't want to. They kept him at quarterback. They
had this kid, ty Simpson as a backup, who's a
five star recruit. Didn't really work out. Tyson has not
worked out at all. They missed on every transfer quarterback
they could and said, oh wait, we have a quarterback problem.
Now to the point, Jalen Morroe started, He got benched
that season, came back in, played pretty well, got him

(31:12):
to the playoff. Good for him. All that was good,
and he went and played in Michigan and had one
of the worst games of his career. Even this past
year he got the starting job back. He was touted
as a heisman because the first couple of big games
really struggled in some of those high profile games later
including Tennessee, that kind of kicked him out of the
playoff spot. And I don't know, man Like like I said,

(31:33):
I just when he plays bad teams, I think he
looks excellent. And when he plays good teams, I think
he really struggles. And I think that's a huge line
that is going to be a lot to overcome. And
it is a lot of the Anthony Richardson thing to me,
which we're seeing in Anthony Richardson right now as a
starting quarterback, is like, when he can be the best
athlete out there, he's gonna look great. But when he
has to play teams with competent play, I just don't

(31:55):
see the vision.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I get it. I and so just have him as
a second round pick. So and again, I think that
for quarterbacks, if you think they have a chance to
be great, you should be drafting the super high so
second round pick. I'm still not crazy about him because
of a lot of things you're saying. I think that
for me with Milroe, I think the fact that he's
had two years is enough for me to say, well,

(32:18):
that's just it. He's a finished product, which obviously you're
not saying either, but I just feel like there are
ways where he can you know, he can improve. Now again,
some of my issues are that he sits in the
pocket way too long and he'll take chances. He also
will miss throws, which was similar to the Anthony Richardson
thing because that was kind of the underrated negative aspect
of Richardson is he just misses a ton of throws.

(32:39):
I don't think Milton's. I don't think Milroe's as bad,
but still has that to his game. I just feel
like if you can get him to get the processing
quicker and to come off his first his pre snap
read quicker, there is just so much talent to be had.
And well, I think that his ceiling is less likely
to get hit and some of these other guys, I

(33:01):
think that it's much higher as well.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, I just think so if I'm countering myself, as
I said earlier on the show, I'd rather take a
guy with intangibles than a guy without intangibles. And this
guy has intangibles. For days. He throws the ball far,
he's got a big arm, he's athletic. I mean, he's
the most athletic player in this draft class. By not
a mile, because cam Ward is a good athlete too,

(33:25):
but he is the best athlete in this class by
you know, a fair margin, decent margin at least, And
so I think that matters if you're gonna take your
chance on Anthony or Jalen Milroe. Anthony Richardson saying it again,
if I'm taking my chance on Jalen Milroe. That's probably
what I'm talking myself into is the skill set is
just something that players, most human beings can't match, never

(33:45):
mind quarterbacks, and that's something I really want to do.
My issue, though, is like the way he gets better
is he gets better at throwing the football, which is
still the thing I continue to go back on. I
want to see you be a good quarterback before I
see you be a great athlete. Being a great athlete
definitely helps, and like all that, and I think he

(34:09):
has some improvisation to his game because of that, because
of the athleticism.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
But like I think.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Tyler Shuck is a better thrower of the football than him,
and I think that's something that matters, because yes, Shuck
probably has fifty percent of the athleticism as Milroe, but
I think he's a better passer, and I think he
can use his legs in more effective ways because he
is a good thrower of the football where you know
teams are gonna load the box on Jaylen Milroe and

(34:36):
say throw the ball and see what happens. And yeah,
he like Richardson, he's gonna hit some gigantic plays that
are gonna be exciting. But at the same time, I
think there is still a lot to overcome as far
as like he's got to be able to show he
can consistently hit the ten yard out stuff like that
that it feels like Richardson and him miss time and
time again.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah again, I understand, And I think part of it
just comes down to philosophy, right, who would we rather have?
And to Shitch suation again, if you're a team that
has a quarterback and you're drafting for a backup milrowe
should not be the guy you're drafting. Like that, I'm
totally on board with, But I just feel like, if
you're the I'm trying to think of a let's say
you're the Browns and you don't love any of these

(35:13):
quarterbacks outside of cam Ward. To me, I'd rather go
into the season with him and see, let's just see
if we can figure this out and make this work.
If it sucks, well, then hey, now we have a
quarterback that you know, we have a good pick next year.
Whereas if you go to someone like Tyler Show or
someone like Dylan Gabriel, I just don't know what the
vision long term is there.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, and those guys are older, so that plays effect
in it too. You know, if he went to a Giants,
like if the Giants took him third, fourth round, I
wouldn't be that mad at it because you know, he's
gonna learn behind two very experienced quarterbacks who have seen
a lot of the game. You know, I don't think
you know, there's gonna Russell Wilson be a great person
from him to learn from. It seems like behind behind
the scenes, right and be kind of the the mentor

(35:54):
mentee too. So I think that would be a really
good situation if a team like the Giants with multiple
quarterbacks in the room. I agree, is I just think
it's gonna take you very long time. And you know,
how many guys have we seen become good throwers of
the football in the NFL, like Josh Allen, And that's
just it seems like a lot to overcome from that regard.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, no, it's it's unlikely. It's unlikely, but again, the potential,
it's it's a lot of ticket, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, it's the it's the one percent he turns into
the next Josh Allen that you're like, Okay, we'll take
our chances and see what happens. That's the same thing
you touch to something that anteresty Richardson though, Right, you
know there's a one percent chance this guy's the next
Josh Allen, but it's gonna take a lot of development.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, I think i'd go higher than one percent, but
I ultimately do agree if Richardson was awesome, Do you
think Milroe's the first round pick?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah? Probably, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, I think Richardson. It's weird how it works where
it's like the most recent guy is like Richardson would
hide because of Josh Allen and now uh And again,
I don't know if Richardson also was a better athlete
than Melroe. Milroe is a very good athlete. Richardson was like,
you know, yeah, he's different, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, Richardson is probably a top five high school football
athlete I've ever seen, so I don't think he's that
quite that, but he is a good athlete. But it is,
you know it again, I think it's one of those things.
If Richardson had this much tape, Richardson's probably not a
top five pick, even though with the Josh Allen comparisons
and all that. You know, if he had this much

(37:24):
tape and it was up and down like Milroe, I
don't think he would have been a first round pick. So,
you know, I think you're you're it's it's It's happened
to several you know, prospects before in the past. You know,
Jake Locker way back in the day, was viewed as
a first round number one overall pick. He fell because
of a bad season. Granted he still went in the

(37:44):
first round, but like I still think there are teams
ready for him to fall into the second, third round.
Malik Willis was another one. Things like that. So it's
gonna be interesting to see how it about. You know,
how that affected Milroe this last season.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, wouldn't be shocked if he does fall. But let's
move on to a guy who I have no idea
what where this guy is going to get drafted? Kyle
Last week, I promised a hot take. Well, I guess
here we go. Shitter Sanders my number three quarterback consensus
number two. I asked on a community notes tab who
people thought would I you know, I was trying to
forget how to do that. I didn't want to ask

(38:17):
who's number one, because I figured most people would just
say Ward, So I asked who's number two. Fifty five
percent still said shitter Sanders, although you know, twenty five
percent said the guy who will talk about in just
a second, who I agree with. Yeah, I mean, listen,
I think there's really good traits of shitter Sanders. First off,
it just seems like he had we're talking in tangible.

(38:37):
It seems like people really just like the guy, right.
It seems like he's like someone who has the leadership quality,
which for a quarterback does matter, you know. He I
think he throws well on the run. I think he
can throw while getting hit, which is good. I do
think he sees the field really well. He's a first
round talent, but I do have him late in the
first round. I quite frankly, I view his creativity as

(38:58):
a negative, not a plus. I think that is unwillingness
to let a play die is Brian Vie of Justin
Fields in a lot of ways or Carson Wentz in
a lot of ways of not you know, I think
doing all this crazy stuff that doesn't tend to work.
He is someone who loves to take sacks, you know,
and he really likes to sit in the pocket. And
there's gonna be a massive leap from the NFL to

(39:19):
from college in the NFL in that. I also have
some other critics. I guess I'm gonna go through him
real quick. He's not a great athlete as well, so
I don't know what the ceiling is and kind of
him versus Milrol. So while I do like enough about
him to ultimately, in the right situation, if it's the
Steelers or whatever, draft him in the first round, ultimately
I don't love him too much more than that.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, I have him QB two. I have him early
second round pick.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Okay, maybe late, so I'm actually higher on him, but
I have him lower on my board.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, I have one first round quarter one firmly first
round quarterback grade. I mean, let's get into the Sanders thing.
I mean, like it's interesting. I there are a lot
of things I love watching him play because I think
he's interesting. I think he's got a lot of intangibles
to his game. I think he knows the game incredibly well.

(40:11):
Like I think he reads the field well. I think
he is very accurate with the football. I think he
puts really nice touch on the ball at all three
levels for a guy that doesn't even have the strongest arm.
I think he actually throws the downfield ball pretty decently,
which is something that's still impressive. I wouldn't even consider
him a good athlete, honestly, like he he I think

(40:33):
he looks like a guy. How do I ward this?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
His last name is the name of a guy who
was a great athlete.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, his dad is like one of the greatest athletes
in NFL history. So everyone thinks he's a great athlete,
and he runs around back there. But like you said,
I don't think he's that athletic at its core. You know,
he just kind of moves. But exactly like we've said
it time and time again on here, not every sack

(41:00):
is an offensive lineman's fault. A lot of these probably
were on Shador too, But he also had a bad
offensive line, so I don't think it helped either. That
offensive line situation but yeah, the improvisation thing can be
scary at times, but there's a lot of intangibles I
still really like about the guy. Yeah, you know, like

(41:20):
I said, I think it's very accurate. I think he
reads the game really well. He's got a lot of
mentorship from guys like Brady obviously his dad beating in
the NFL and being like one of the premier defensive
players probably helps as well. You know, he's had a
lot of good coaches throughout his career. You could just
see this guy has been coached to play football at
a really high level, and I really like that. Can

(41:40):
he fine tune some of the things that were maybe
a little bit out there as far as a player
to turn him into that starting level quarterback that people want.
I think there is a I think there's a chance
of it, but there's still a lot to work on,
and I think that that is what's gonna turn to
Sandersy either into a a a good quarterback in the

(42:02):
league or probably a bust.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah. It's the thing too where I feel like we
always make fun of like the oh, like you know,
the leadership or having a good head on your shoulders
usually because that's like just what people that don't want
to watch films say about players if they just focus
on that, or like what Skip Bayles says about players,
but like that does matter, like especially for quarterback, which
is something that takes so much time out of your
life to have to focus on. Like the fact that
he does come in from a great situation and does

(42:27):
seemingly say all to write things and interviews and stuff
like that, Like it seems like every you know, I
know reports are not can and reports who knows, but
like seems like every report, but people like actually know
him are like, oh, yeah, he's like great. Like that
that feels like that's something that maybe is willing I'm
going to bump up his stock a little bit.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah. I think I have two comparisons for shir Door Sanders.
One's is not a football comparison, and then one is
a football comparison.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Is it a soccer comparison? No, it's bad, Okay, good, Okay.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
So one of the one of the non football comparison
for me is LaMelo Ball, where Okay, I think LaMelo
Ball has all the talent in the world, but I
also think LaMelo Ball currently in his form, is a
losing player because he has a lot of bad habits,
including he shoots one footed three pointers like on the
regular for whatever reason. He does a lot of really

(43:13):
dumb things that I think prevent his overall level of
talent from reaching the star status. I think he actually
has the talent to do. I think Schador Sanders, like
you said, he has the intangibles, he has the leadership.
He seems to have this ability to galvanize the players
around him that I think really matter. But I think

(43:33):
he makes a lot of mistakes as far as just
like I don't want to say laziness, but just like,
let me see if I can do this sort of thing,
or let me just try and like play a superhero
here where he doesn't need to do that sometimes that
I think are preventing him from reaching that star status
on his own. And then the other comparison I have,
which is a football comparison, And this is gonna sound

(43:54):
disrespectful and I don't actually think it is.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Johnny Manziel, Okay, respectful, you were correct, your first thread
was correct. That does sound disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I here's the thing. I think there's a scenario where
Johnny Manzel works out in the NFL back in the
day as a prospect. He had a lot of similar
things with Menzel, where Manzel ran around like crazy, he
made some crazy throws, but at the end of the day,
like he got a lot of the stuff done because
he has a certain level of skill set. I think
Johnny Manzel failed because he didn't really care about football

(44:27):
that much, as we saw with a lot of the documentary,
all of his off the field behavior, you know, it
got a little carried away from him. I think there's
a scenario where I Johnny Manzel walks in it works
out for him. And I think Sanders, based on what
we're hearing, based on the reports, all that kind of stuff,
and just you know, the way he behaved at Jackson
State and Colorado, I think Sanders cares a lot more

(44:49):
about football than Johnny Manziel did, and that is where
I think it can work because I do think there
is a skill set and a version of this that
works out really well.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, I think, And I think that's why, you know,
he's someone who this kind of player always is interesting
to talk about because every NFL coach seemingly thinks that, like, oh,
this player has some issues of trying to do too much.
We could easily pull that back, and it never seemingly
works like or at least it rarely does like that.
That's just a question of it is something in theory
you can get him to be better at, and if

(45:18):
you do, you probably have a pretty good quarterback. I
think ultimately, though, why I'm still gonna keep him at
three and why I don't love him more than kind
of a you know, a late first round pick is
because I would like him more if he was a
better athlete.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Basically, yeah, yeah, And like I said, I think because
the name Sanders is on his back, it's deceptive. And
he does make some plays, it's not like he's like,
you know, he's not like you know, twenty thirteen Peyton
Manning out there. He can move a little bit, but
it's not as much as you'd expect. I think Ben

(45:52):
Roethlisberger would be a good comparison for his like athleticism.
But part of what made Big Ben work was that
he was like two hundred and sixty pounds. Yeah, he
couldn't get tackled, and he's not two hundred and sixty pounds.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
He's like a small Ben. Yes, thank you, that's what
I'm here for let's move on. Two guys left to
talk about. Let's talk about Jackson Dart. Who seems like
we have someone in the chat who is the number
one Jackson Dart hater. So I that's cool. Everyone's entitled
to share their opinions in the chat. We appreciate you.
I like Jackson Dart Again. I still think I would

(46:25):
have him kind of around twentieth overall in a typical
draft of like I don't know if I consider him
a sort of like where Kenny Pickett got drafted. It's
kind of how I view him. But you know, to
compare him to Sanders, I think he's a better athlete
than Sanders. I think is a better arm than Sanders.
But you know, I think he's He's accurate. He's young,
one of the younger players in the draft. He's still

(46:46):
just twenty one and still has multiple years of being good.
But I like that he can throw on to run,
has an NFL arm, and he also I just think
it's a smart player. He knows where to go go
with the football and could admit when to play his
dad to damage management, which is a really underrated aspect
I think when it comes to college prospects, something that
often gets overlooked when a play is broken, do you

(47:09):
make sure that you make things work out. He was
a former baseball player, and you can kind of tell right,
kind of has that third baseman throwing motion. But and
I don't know how much of adjustment it will be
going to the NFL. Here's kind of the biggest question
with Dart is I think a upside Well, I say
he's a big better athlete and bigger armed than Sanders.

(47:29):
Still not elite, not something to write home about. I
do think that he feels more comfortable when he's throwing
sometimes as the post the moving. Still, I do think
he has some pocket presence issues, although I think those
are overrated. My biggest kind of question is a high
percentage of his players were schemed up, and it could
be argued that he use the product of his system.

(47:50):
I thought he ran it really well. But that is
the question. I think someone brought up Matt Corral earlier.
That's that's kind of a question.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
So this Lane Kiffin's scheme is pretty interesting, right, you
know this. I think they've called it the veer and
shoot now in college football. Now, I think that's what
everyone's kind of accepted is the name, the conventional name
of it. It's a scheme of the air raid that
you basically have your outside receivers way outside the numbers
on the boundary, and the goal is to stress the

(48:21):
defense vertically and horizontally at the same time. It changes
a lot of the geometry of defenses in a lot
of ways. And it's interesting because, like you said, it
is a lot of scheme dependent things. Jackson Dart was
I'm taking this from Ben so lack of ESPN, So
it's not my stat that I pulled up. Of one
hundred and fifty eight college quarterbacks, Jackson Dart was second

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in play action rate. Fifty seven percent of his past
attempts came off of play action pass attempts, and so yeah,
everything felt kind of schemed up. And he had a
lot of really good running backs at all this too,
I should say. So they played a certain way against
his almost team, and I think it led to a
lot of easy throw and I think that's a tough
thing that if I'm going to push back on some
of the dark love, it's like, I just felt like

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he was thrown a lot of wide open receivers at
times when things worked, and so I think when teams
when they played the very best teams, they lost some
of those games because those teams could go man to
man and those stars became a lot tougher and it
didn't work out quite as well. But like you said,
he's got a really smooth release. You could tell he's
thrown the ball a lot and has really fine tuned

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that thing through baseball and football. He's athletic, he's got size,
and he's pretty accurate at all three levels. Like, there
aren't a lot of reasons to criticize just his overall throwing.
And like I said, if you're gonna be an intangibles guy,
which I would lean more towards intangibles, he has all that,
which is why I have him in the second round.
He's my third quarterback. I just think overall, like if

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he's going in the first round, it's probably not to
a situation that's like ideal, And then like, how is
he gonna Is he gonna succeed situation that's not ideal?
I think is the issue.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
So you don't think it could be possible to like
maybe he goes to the Steelers, sits behind Rogers for
a year and then uh, you know, and then if
he's good enough takes over the starting.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Job, it could happen. But at the same time, like that,
that's not an offensive scheme. I like love. That's not
an offensive line that I like love in front of him,
you know, all those sort of things. He's got great receivers,
so that'll certainly help. But yeah, it's gonna take It's
definitely gonna take a lot of learning and maybe maybe
maybe as weird as it is, Rogers is the kind

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of guy for him.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, I mean, he did do a good job before Love.
I'll firsually have a super chat that I missed earlier
storrybout that how would you rank Jordan Travis, Sanders, Anthony Richardson,
and Malik Willis as prospects. I forgot about Jordan Travis.
It's been a minute since I talked about him, but
I believe I was not crazy high on him. I
think I would as prospects. I think I would go

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Richardson one, Willis two, Sanders three, and Jordan Travis four.
But I also was high on both Richardson and Willis.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, I would go Richardson, Sanders, Willis, Travis.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah. I remember the Malik Willis hype or everyone thought
he might go second.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Overall, Yeah, that was not a good quarterback class. It
turned out that was actually right.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, No, definite, definitely So yeah. I mean again, I
think the system stuff with Start, it's it's totally fair
to bring up. I just think the question is, like,
I guess why I'm still willing to take a chance
on him, is there were enough plays I saw on tape,
Like if you watched a full game, not every play
works out. If you're just looking at numbers, his numbers

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are inflated, they absolutely are. But if there were plays
where things weren't great and he still did a good
job at that, Like I thought he did a very
good job of when a play broke down, how he
handled that situation, which I would not say the same
about Matt Carrell. So I think that's why I'm I
do want to draft him in the first round. But
again my philosophy and quarterbacks, if you like a guy enough,
don't be afraid of draft.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, no, I see the I see the scenario works
for sure, And you know a more background behind this. Obviously,
he transferred to Ole Miss after a year at US.
You're at USC he played well at Ole Miss. They
even brought in multiple transfers this past year, and he
beat them all out for the starting job again, and
he ended up keeping his starting job and played pretty well.
And I mean they got, you know, within the playoff

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race or close to the playoffs for multiple seasons. So
there are a lot of things to like about Jackson Dart.
I just feel like I just need to see more.
And maybe that's unfair, but I just need to see
a little bit more before I could fully buy in.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I still don't have him as
like a top fifteen pick, so I'm ultimately we kind
of both agreed that this is a one quarterback draft class.
Goofy Gabe, says Dart to the Rams. Yeah, that's perfect.
That's the perfect situation, right.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, A great coordinator's gonna do wonders for him.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah. I think that that's the dream. Get a sit
behind Stafford for a couple of years, and then we'll
go for Sean McVay. That's a he's you know, hoping
in the league for twenty years. If he does that, Yeah,
that seems to.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Be a good du to learn behind, for sure. I
think anybody would work out there.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I think if if how upset with he'd
be if he gets drafted, Like, I don't know who's
right before the Rams, the Rams picking at twenty twenty six,
we gets drafted like twenty third, Packers get another backup quarterback.
That would be tough.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, I would love it. I'm all for it. Packers
take more quarterbacks, that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I think. So, Kyle, let's talk about number one on
my list. He's number one on your list, He's number
one on everyone's list. Cam Ward, who, I mean, consensus
number one. It feels like at this point I really
like this guy, and I think there's been a weird
I think so. Also, I forgot to do my tiers.
But Jayon Milroe was I had as kind of in
his own tier at tier three. I think Jackson, Dart

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and Sanders are both in tier two. Cam Ward is
in a tier of his own in my opinion. And
there's been this kind of talk of, well, cam Board's
the first quarterback in this draft class, but he's not
a great first overall quarterback. I disagree. I think it's
a perfectly fine first overall quarterback. I think there's a
lot to really like about him. He has great athleticism,
great arm strength, he and I think one of the

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things I was most impressed with is how well he
gets the game of football. He knows when to throw
the ball, where to throw the ball, how to throw
the ball. He'll throw sidearm and things like this. He hits,
he has good timing, NFL level timing. There's a ton
to like about him. I could go through my list,
but yeah, Kyle, are you right here with me?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah? Number one for me. I have him as a
top ten prospect in this draft. I'm a big fan
of his. I think he's got the skill set. I
think he's got the athleticism. You know, it's always hit
or miss for me, Like will this improvation improvisation stuff
like you want that in an NFL quarterback at this
day and age, But it's also a catch twenty two
of like does it work for this guy?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
The same Mahomes are Kleb Williams? Well cut off for
a second, I was just like, is it Mahomes or
is it Kaleb Williams. He's you know, making guys miss stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Exactly, So that is the things you worry that being said, like,
there's a lot of Kyler Murray to his game, Like
he seems so like a creepy way. Yeah, it's almost
a creepy way with how relaxed that he is at
all times. Like you just see him, like you'll see

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him run so nonchalantly and you're like, oh, this isn't
gonna go well, and then he just like runs around
three guys or it's like he'll just like go back
twenty yards avoiding a pass rush and he's like carrying
the ball with one hand the entire time, and you're
just like, Okay, we're just doing this, and it's like
it's still worked out in his favor because he's such
a good athlete and he's so good. But like, you know,

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those are just things that it's like, do we really
have to do it that way? But like it's just
like that sort of poison calmness is almost like a
superpower in its own way at times too, Like it's
just like it gets amount of difficult situations even though
it like gives you a heart attack half the time
you watch it.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, I you know, Uh, he's not a perfect prospect,
you're and there's no such thing as a perfect prospect.
Every prospect that you evaluate, especially at the quarterback position,
has their their concerns. My biggest concerns of him were
I think that he took he often held onto the
ball for a while, kind of like what you're talking about.
It usually worked, but it is like kind of like
we're saying, will it work in the NFL. I thought

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he would sometimes struggle when he was under pressure. So
those are kind of my two big critiques. And another thing,
it's not really a critique, but just guess a question
of love to take chances, especially after play broke down,
he would throw the ball down the field. Again, it worked.
It was good in college, but I don't know how
many of these are gonna work in the NFL. So
that's kind of a concern.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I think love to take chances as an under CELLIB Yeah,
he just has some awesome highlights. And I mean he
played a lot of football in college. Granted it wasn't
all at like Miami level play. He played one season
at Miami, but he started two season at Washington State
before that, which was competitive football. The last two seasons
the Pac twelve was pretty good. That last year he

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was there too, and then before that it was incarnate
Ward and this guy has risen up through the ranks.
He's basically started everywhere he's gone, He's gotten better everywhere
he's gone. You know, my brother is a Washington State fan.
We're from the Washington area. And the first year I
watched him at Washington State, he's like, do you think
you can go to the NFL? And I said, I
don't know. And then the second year I watched him,
I was like, I think there's a little bit of

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a case for it. Then I watched him at Miami.
It's just like, this guy gets better and better, it
feels like every year. And that's something I really like,
something I really value along with getting all of those reps,
I think there's just a huge skill set here that
I could really get behind. I think, you know, there
isn't all there is a scenario where I think he's
a pro Bowl level quarterback, you know, top ten in
the league. And there's just not a lot of guys

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that I would evaluate and say, yeah, there's a chance
of that. Granted there was like three last season, but
I don't think that's something year to year you really
bank on one, two or three guys happening.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yeah, And that's why Ultimately, I think the Titans just
kind of have to take him first. Overall, that Kyler
Murray comparison's dead on. You nailed it.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, I mean he's bigger than Kyler Murray, which is
also the upside part of him is that he is bigger.
But yeah, he just it's just like that. It just
so much of the demeanor feels the same, like I'm
just gonna run around for ten seconds with one hand
on the ball and you're still not going to catch me.
And it doesn't matter?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Should it? Should they? When teams are interviewing him, should
I ask what he feels about video games? Should they
maybe put him in a room with like a video
game on like a book and then see what he does?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
They got to check his hours spend on his consoles
or something.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah, yeah, oh oh you I have a PlayStation as well,
add me, you know, just just a.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Check, Yeah, just to keep an eye on that.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, I they think that might be the moove. Uh yeah, Kyle,
Uh that is ours? Do you? Oh? Someone actually someone
asked me where would he be on last year's list? Uh?
I went back and checked my grade from for pm
ward and the grades from last year. He would have
been number two on last year's board, behind Catle Williams
for me, so yeah, I'm a fan.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Interesting I would have had him fourth. But yeah, I
mean I would have been Oh, I would have talked
mess I think he firmly would have been the like
if they had four, like, he probably would have been
fourth overall year. So you could have talked me into
those first three guys, like maybe jumping one of them
if you liked him more. But yeah, I would have
had him in the conversation.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, And I've heard people say like, oh, he would
have been you know, he would have been quarterback seven
last year. I just don't agree with that at all.
I think that he's I think and even like the
JJ McCarthy thing, a lot of people said that he
would be better than cam Ward. I don't really agree
with that either. I think Ward would be ahead of
McCarthy if McCarthy was in this year's draft class.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yeah, no, I think I agree. I would have had
him over him, Michael Pennix and you know him. Michael
Penix and Bonox were also older prospects with a lot
of concerns too, So I think I think he had
a lot more. I think he has a lot more
going for him as far as skill set goes.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, well, Kyle, that is our those are our quarterbacks
all as always all tweeted out my list, so everyone
can get mad at me there. But yeah, I mean,
you know, as a whole, I think it's an interesting class.
I think that there's gonna be more than one starting
caliber quarterback if well, outside of cam Ward, I think
there will be another starting quarterback somewhere in the next year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah. I could definitely see either of those top two guys.
And then you know it's a crap shoot beyond there.
Whether you like a Tyler Shuck, whether you like a
Jalen Milroe. Well, you know, I had called him Accord seventh.
You know, that is the guy. I had him seventh
on my list, and I kind of just said, this
guy feels like Drew Locke. Ah, so that was my quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Baker Mayfield if he didn't have Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Arm Yeah, yeah, that's two. And I also had Rylan
Leonard as an honorable mention, mainly like, look, he won
a lot of games in college and he's athletic. The
issue for him is the forward pass.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
But I have on my notes That just made me laugh.
There doesn't seem much of a plan when he makes throws,
that's all. Which, Yeah, that seems like an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, it was like last season Notre Dame realized, oh wait,
this guy can't throw the ball, so they quickly just
transitioned into we're just gonna make you an athlete and
make the national championship with our offensive line. That being said,
there's like a ten percent chance. There's like a forty
percent chance this guy's the next Taysom Hill. And that's

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why I have him on my list.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yeah, that's good. I also wrote I'm worried for birds
when he throws a deep ball, so I was in
a comedic mood. I guess when I was writing my
Riley Leonard Uh right up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, it really is like like I said, the ford
passes a problem for him. So yeah, I think that
is something he's gotta work on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I hope we keep waiting for new Taysom Hill. Just
a Champayne's in the NFL and he's still not getting
a Taysom Hill. Maybe he'll get Riley Leonard.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
That'd be great. I'd love to see Riley Leonard in
there doing some Taysom Hill stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, that'd be for when he said Taysom Hill was
like the next Steve Young.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Yeah, that was a little much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Might have might have might have been it might have
been a bit much there, Kyle, let them know where
to can find us on Twitter before we head out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
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Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Of course, if like audio only podcast anywhere, get your
podcast search on the Sideline podcast. We should be available
there a week from yesterday. We will be doing the
defensive rankings, rankings for every defender, well not every defender,
but the best defenders for each position. I got tell
you so we can get our notes on the same

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page for this. But the way I'm doing it, let
me I gotta double check now. Should have done us
before the show. But so I want let's do it
for the defense. I want to split up interier defensive
lineman and edge rushers because they're just a lot of them.
So let's do top five interier defensive linemen and I
can text you this too if that's easier. But top
five interior defensive lineman, top ten edge rushers, let's just

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do top three off ball linebackers because there's not that many,
and then top ten defensive backs. That that sound good?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
That works for me. Can I ask you a question
to see the the next show?

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Are you and Shamar Stewart?

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
What do you think, Kyle, I'm gonna guess no, yeah, no,
not believe it or not. That is not the profile
typically look towards.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Yeah, that's probably fair.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Honestly, here's what halty is. I think this is a
really overrated defensive line class. I think there's a lot
of guys where I'm like, wait, this guy's supposed to
go in the first round. There's a lot of that
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
You know, we keep seeing all these guys named. I
like the top two guys. That's about it. I like
the I like the number one interior defensive guy, and
I like the number one ed rusher. I don't know
how much I feel about the rest of the guys.
I like the offensive players in this class more.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
The only guy offensive guy gotten to his child's hunter
just because I was doing defense. So I haven't gotten
there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah. I like the offensive guys more honestly. But yeah,
we'll get into that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yes, he ran says, does Kyle send you pictures of
his mustache in various lights? Jackson, Kyran, how did you know? Yeah?
Probably packing into our account or something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
We got a lot of comments on the mustache. What's
going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Looks good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I think it looks good. I don't know it's filling
out nicely.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, I think people know it's it's a good thing.
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, I'll take it. I'll take it. Thank you for
the compliments.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Yes, all right, Thank you everybody once again for watching
or listening. Kyle. I won't ask you about hockey this time.
Don't worry. We can just get out of here unless
you have anything else you want to add.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Uh, definitely not about hockey.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
See okay, good, Thank you everybody. We do appreciate it.
Until next time, have a good one. Peace. Oh someone
said shave it off. That's mean wow, Come on, alright,
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