Ranking the top offensive players in the 2025 NFL Draft

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the On
the Sideline podcasts of Jackson and Kyle. I am Jackson
and I'm joined here as always by the man who's
ready for the Mavericks to shock the world and win
a title this year. Kyle, KYLEA, how are you doing? Uh?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Do it pretty good? Just ready to get this season
over with. Let's get to the offseason. Very NBA themed
podcast we got going on. We each got some NBA
shirts here where ready to go?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, Kyle, I was at I was at the game
last night. It was fun. I see Trey Young get
kicked out, which was fun. Yeah, that was that was annoying.
He was an annoying player to see against your team,
But it was fun game.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
He's He's a tough watch, I will say. I you know,
people will get on the complaining from guys like luc
and Lebron and I get it. I think Trey Young
as far as basketball players is a bottom three just
on court performance watch him and uh NB gotta be
up there for pretty tough watches.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, it's tough. Luckily, Yeah, I don't know. I'll go
happy to see my team win. Maybe we'll get some
NBA talk at the end of this Kyle, we have
a lot to get to on this show. We will
be talking about twenty different prospects. We're going to rank
our top five running backs, our top five offensive lineman,
and our top ten past catchers. So that's including tight
ends and receivers. So yeah, a lot to get into.

(02:05):
Should we just dive in?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, excited to talk about this, and you know we're
gonna dive right in here, and we're starting with the
running back room, which I gotta say, I think this
is a great running back draft. If you need a back,
you should definitely draft one middle bounds definitely. You know,
we've done our whole first round running back thing. We
don't need to dive into it too much again this one.

(02:27):
Although there is going to be debate about the top
one and whether that happens. But you know, I think
there's a lot of really good backs later in this draft,
which may be incentive to not take one so early
as it's being talked about right now.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, if there are two that are you know, currently
you know, looking like they will get drafted in round one,
so it should be interesting. I will mention real quick
before we get into it. Next week, we have always
the most controversial show of the year, the mock Draft,
where we will do our mock draft. Luckily, the Buccaneers
have an odd pick in the Patriots' even pick, so

(03:00):
we you know, we already know where we'll be picking.
Uh so that should be fun. Uh So definitely makes
sure that you are, you know, tuned in to that
next week. But yeah, uh, Kyle, without further ado, shall
I just get into the list starting with number five?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Uh yeah, let's dive right in.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay, maybe a hot take here being number five, although
this guy's actually number three on PFF's big boards, So
I guess I don't feel that crazy about it. Uh
cam Uh? Is it Scattaboo? How do you say his name?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Scataboo?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It's Gottabo, got it? Yes, He's easily the most fun
player to watch out of any one like in this
entire draft process. He's like a mic Alstot type player.
Despite being five eleven, two fifteen, he seems like impossible tackle.
He seems the kind of guy who his toughness, would
you know, juveniles an entire team. I have no idea

(03:47):
if this is gonna work in the NFL. I don't know.
Because he essentially just runs over guys. I don't know
what this situation is there, but ultimately who knows. Could
he be a James Connor. I think it's possible. I
will also say kind of my other real criticism of
him in college is sometimes in past protection it seems
like he wants to inflict punishment. Sometime would rather him

(04:07):
just make the block. But ultimately he was a great
college player. The question is will it work in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I have him third. I love Cam SKay. He
is just a joy to watch, and that's probably biasing
my thing because there are flaws. You know, obviously he
had a fantastic year last year. They don't make it
as far. They don't make it nearly as far as
they went last year. That Arizona team that was predicted
to finish last in their conference won the conference, made

(04:34):
the playoffs, did all that kind of stuff. They don't
get nearly anywhere near that without him. He's a joy
to watch though, And yeah, he's gonna be someone. He's
gonna be drafted higher than you think because some coach
is gonna watch his tape and be like if I
had twenty two players like that on my team, we
would be winning Super Bowls kind of thing, you know,

(04:54):
that cliche line. He is every coach is wet dream.
He is, you know to he's a smart runner, I
think too, which the thing is another thing that's underrated
about his game. But yeah, like you said, you know,
can can will power in IQ get you that far
when you're not very fast and you're not very big.
We're gonna see. He's definitely gonna try and yeah, he'll

(05:16):
he'll never stop trying.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, right, you don't have to worry about a lack
of effort. I think I'm noticing a bit of a
lag from when you speak to when I see you moving.
I'm not sure if that's on my end or on what,
but hope you know I can hear you. Okay, so
just you know, chat, let us know if there's any
issues other than that. But but yeah, I mean can't.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
But what's that up to you? I could try and
leave and jump back in.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
It's up to you, though, I think it's actually it
might be back now, So I think we're okay. But yeah,
I think it's fine. But yeah, as a whole, I
mean I completely agree. Very fun player. Shall we move
on to number four.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, let's keep it moving, okay.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Number four, I am going with a player out of
Ohio State, which still does not necessarily clarify who it is.
I'm going with Trayvon Henderson. Uh the you know, a
point two year old, a guy who you know, uh
he you know really kind of I think his his
his best attribute is sort of his speed and really

(06:14):
uh the way that he can you know, move while
being you know, while going as fast as as he can.
He can, uh you, change direction while being at top speed.
Four or four guy who just gets a lot of
guys to take poor angles and can move that way.
Also a guy who can block, uh so yeah, a
player who alike.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to like about him.
This He is very fun in the open field, you know,
he he's you know, when he separates, he continues to
separate because it's just very difficult to catch him. There's
a lot of things to really like about Travon Henderson.
There are some consistency issues that ultimately left him off
my top five, But I also want to just re

(06:53):
emphasize guys that are off my I think there's a
lot of really good running backs that are not near
my top five. You know, there there could be good
players going down to even like fifteenth on the board
I think in this draft. So you know, I'm not
gonna knock it too much, but yeah, I think that
there is some there consistency issues that have me a
little bit worried about him. But you know, you could

(07:15):
also argue that he has one of the highest ceilings
of any running back in this class.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. He currently is projected
to go forty seconds, so it's not out of question
we could get three first round running backs. Like He's
kind of in that range where sometimes running backs do
get drafted higher than we expect. Yeah. I do wonder
as well. Like again, you talked about the you know,
I talked about the sort of speed. Will guys at

(07:40):
the NFL who are just faster be able to kind
of not take those and are smarter won't take the
poor angles, and will that values still be there. That's
kind of my biggest concern with him.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, No, it's completely understandable. I think that there is
some concern for that. But at the same time, you know,
he is electric with the ball, so that you can't
hate it too much.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, Kyle. You know, we've had a lot of I
think maybe some mild hot takes. Let's get an actual
hot take here. We've had too much of this sort
of I feel like a normal draft show that is
very much not what we are. So let's go to
number three. I have so few hot takes on this podcast.
This is one of them. A Marion Hampton I am
not quite as high on as the general public. And listen,

(08:22):
there's a lot to like about Ameron Hampton. He's a
physical player. He falls for seemingly falls forward every time
he's touched. He doesn't try to do too much. He's
more of a Josh Jacobs type as opposed to you know,
some of these other players that we're mentioning in terms
of he just kind of does his job, which I like.
I think the concern I have is I think he's
kind of like all running backs, but I think he
just needs to be in the right spot to really succeed.

(08:45):
I don't know if I see him as someone who
creates space the way my top two running backs do.
So ultimately I am a little bit lower on him
and don't fully get him as a first round running
back the way I at least get number one on
my list.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, I think I ended up still putting him too,
But I understand the concerns. I do think if I'm
going to push back on mari and Hampton as a
first round pick, I think he misses the holes more
often than you'd like for like a stud running back,
and when he misses it usually goes in the backfield. Granted,

(09:20):
when he hits the hole, he's usually creating a big
play because he is so you know, he's electric, he's
explosively strong, He has all that going for him. So
there's a lot to like when he when the when
the script kind of works, I think things work really
well for him, and he's one of the most explosive
players in football. But yeah, I do think there is
going to be some concern and where I push back

(09:42):
on him as a number first round pick. But I
also am just very stringy about first round running backs
as it is, so I think that plays a big part.
But if I'm pushing back on your your skepticism, I
just think the combination of strength, power, speed, explosive. You
know that he's you know, there's two guys in this draft,

(10:04):
and he stands out among those two. I just think
that whole combination he has and that's where you get
really excited.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, and it's always I think, for if you're gonna
take a trade ce player out of position, running back
is a totally fine one to do it with, right
because like that is such a physical position, you know,
four to four guy who's two hundred and twenty pounds,
like that's you don't get that too often. And he
can move well, he can play all three phases as well.
So I totally I get him. And I think this
is the weird thing where it's like if the Broncos

(10:33):
select him at twenty, he's gonna get a lot of
carries and he's gonna be like everyone's gonna say, oh wow,
people made fun of the first time running back, but
look at how good he is. Right, that's just gonna happen.
But ultimately I just feel like, is he someone who's
going to be a game wrecker? I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, I mean there is there is reason for concern
for it, like you said, And then also it's just
the sheer added value, you know, is his ability to
change a game gonna be more valuable than maybe a
first round receiver or even a first run offensive lineman.
You know, it's just gonna be that question going forward
for him as far as a player and whether it's
worth it to take that draft pick. So I think

(11:12):
he's gonna be highly scrutinized one way or the other.
And you know, the analytics guys aren't gonna love where
he goes. And then the you know the I think
a lot of people that love college football are gonna say,
this guy's gonna be a stud no matter what. Yeah,
and it's gonna be a fan favorite, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
For sure. I think my I guess my last take
on him is like, you can't have a Naji Harris
situation where he just goes through a team with the
hope that he's just going to magically fix the running
game and he needs to. He needs a you know,
more of a Jamior Gibbs situation where it's like it's
a good running game and he's supposed to you know,
raise the ceiling of it.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah. I could see that argument for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Okay, well let's go on to number two. I am
going with another Ohio State player, quin Shawn Judkins is
my number two running back, a player who is just
you know, I listen, he runs a four to four eight.
It feels faster than that. This is a quick guy. Also,
you know, two nineteen, so we talked about not many

(12:11):
guys who are four four two twenty. Okay, he's technically
four four eight two nineteen, but he's basically there. Really accelerate,
accelerates really well. I think his speed gets him out
of trouble, and quite frankly, I thought he was maybe
the most explosive running back in this class. And I
also think he has really good vision. Doesn't have the
best long speed, that's definitely true, but I still and

(12:32):
I think he plays physical enough. Is just a player
I really likes. So he's number two on my list.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
He's no nonsense to me, and that's what I really like.
It's kind of in that vein of like Terrell Davis.
You know, if he's in a good zone blocking scheme,
I think he's gonna find the whole hit it and
run north south and you're gonna you know, he's gonna
put up a bunch of yards that way. I think,
in the right situation, he's gonna be awesome. I have
quinnche On Jenkins at number five because I do like
that just ability to see the whole cut and go.

(12:59):
You know, there's not a lot of nonsense to his
game at all, and I enjoyed that. I do think,
you know, it could similar to what you just said
about Hampton. The one thing I wonder, I think he
could also be kind of a situational guy, Like is
he going to be as successful like as some of
the I think behind a lesser offensive line, can he

(13:19):
be as successful and without like a third down back
like Henderson or an explosive player next to him Mike Henderson,
can he be as successful? That's the question I do
have about him. But like I said, I think his
running ability is very very good for sure.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, I think he's maybe a bit of a correction
to the I don't say I fully missed on Jamier Gibbs,
but I think I undervalued that player of like a
guy who's more of a situational guy. But like it's
really great in that situation. I agree that like Hampton
is just he's he'll play more snaps if I had
you know, if I was in charge of two football teams,
one had Hampton, one had Judkins, I'd play Hampton more snaps.

(13:57):
But ultimately I think Judkins can just add more value
into snaps that he would play, you know, I think
in those situations. So that's why ultimately I still like him.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, there is a lot to like. Still, if you're
wondering why Ohio State won a national championship, this is
a very good start. You know. I think both of
these guys are very good, and I could see them
both being good NFL starters.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, he is currently fourth on the consensus Big Board
for running backs, fifty fourth. But let's talk about the
guy who is first on everyone's big board, Ashton jd H. Kyle.
Get this, I have a first round grade on a
running back, Yes, a first round grade on Ashton Genty,
who I just I like, Yeah, Like, this is all
of the like, oh what about be Jon Robinson? What

(14:38):
about this guy? What about they? It is true for
this guy, For Ashton Genty, this is a just a
ridiculous player, a you know, a Marshawn Lynch like player.
I do get those comparisons entirely. This is the guy who,
in bad situations, he can cut the open space and
figure out ways to get things going. He's not afraid,
He's not afraid to get what's there if that's the

(14:59):
right play. But he he can make things happen. The
the concerns are, you know, the level of competition, the
positional value, and then the like well NFL players just
tackle him better, uh, you know better, that kind of stuff. Also,
just like the size. He he looks huge, but he isn't.
Actually he's only five to nine in real life. But ultimately, like, no,

(15:21):
I mean, this is a this is the game changing
running back. This is the guy who I think could
be like a legit, you know, a Christian McCaffrey of
value type of player. Uh So, yeah, I don't I
sti't know what number six, but I think that at
some point in the first round I would draft Ash
and Gendy.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah. Yeah, he's a number one for me too. There's
no doubt about it. You know, Like you said, he
looks a lot bigger than he actually is, and I'm
just wondering if it's because he stands straight up in
the backfield and like doesn't move and it's just the
weirdest thing. But like yeah, like when you watch him,
you're like, oh, this is like the next Derek Henry
Marshaw on Lynch. But he's more of the size of

(15:57):
like Alvin Kamara, and like you know, I think he
has a lot of reminiscent to his game too, and
just the balance and like how hard he is to tackle.
You know, he was just They gave him the ball
basically every play this season, and he did really well
with it. You know, he managed the workload excellently. He
had big games week after week after week. In the past,

(16:17):
we've seen him past block and pass catch two because
they did that more and he was very good at
both of those aspects as well. He's a complete back,
and you know, as we continue to say, if you're
drafting and running back in the first round, it kind
of has to be a superstar because the top five
running backs do present value to the NFL that it
is worth the first round pick. It's just very high

(16:38):
hard to find the top five running back in the NFL.
So you know, he definitely has the traits that it
could be that. For me, I have him been a
first round grade too, even though I think it's still
going to be a debate whether it's a good pick
or not depending on where he goes. But he's the
complete package. Man. He's got everything. You want.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah. I think one thing that like, it's just the
thing we're running backs in general of we almost always say, well,
isn't it worth drafting and running back if they're you know,
if they are actually Marshaun Lynch or you know one
of these like you know, elite level players And the
answer is yes. But ultimately you don't even have to
ask that question about quarterback or about wide receiver or
about edge rusher. We all know it's worth it, right.

(17:17):
I think that the thing is we don't you know,
you can ever fully trust your evaluation. You never know,
one thought Trent Richardson was going to be good that
didn't work out, right, You never can say for sure.
I think that's the that that's the one thing that
you know, the one reservation is that you are essentially
you know, I think for genty, you're getting a guy
who has a higher chance of being great, but also

(17:40):
than the other players that will be available. But also
are you getting someone that you know it's still not
a guarantee and isn't in the most you know, advantageous
position or most important position. That that's just the question
that these people drafting at the top are going to.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Have to ask yeah, exactly, but nothing about his game
is giving me worries. Right now. We'll see, you know,
obviously it could go wrong, like you said, but there's
a lot to love.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
If at pick number four, the Newman Patriots select Ashton genty,
what's your reaction.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I don't think it's the pick i'd want, But at
the same time, like, we need blue chippers, and I
think he's one of the blue chip prospects of this draft.
So I would I can't like get too too upset,
but it wouldn't be the pick I want.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
For gotcha, So you'd be you'd be disappointed for like
three minutes, and then you start watching highlights and b
this is this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, then I'm like, oh, I have Ashton Genet. That's
gonna be fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, I'll say this too. I kind of get the
Raiders taking him. Like I again, it's I think he's
like number like seventeen on my board, and it's also
a week draft class that I will probably be twenty
five on a regular first round pick, which is again
very high for how I value running backs. But like
I get the Raiders logic there of like we're trying
to just be decent and he can help us do that.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, he could be the best
player in his position in the next few years. Like,
there's just not many guys you could draft and say
that's the caves and that's probably why you could talk
yourself into it no matter where you pick.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, I think so as well, Kyle. That is it
for the running backs? Who so I believe there was
was there someone who was I'm trying to remember or
did we have the same five but just in different orders?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I have one at number four. Once again, I love
this draft. You know, Trevor Etns a guy. I really like,
Devin Neil's a guy. I really like. Damian Martinez is
the guy. I really like. Caleb Johnson has some nice stuff,
all that kind of stuff. This may be biased because
I am a UCF.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Grad, but RJ.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Harvey is electric. Man. I think he's the best tackle
breaker in this draft. I think he has the most
complete you know, can play the past, can play the
run game at a really high level. I mean, there's
just a lot to really like about him. He is
so funny, he's so explosive, and yeah, I mean he
he could. He dominated kind of a really bad offense,
and I thought that was really impressive. There's a lot
to love about r. J. Harvey.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
He's fun. He's definitely someone to eat, you know, Like
I love that the Dolphins could be a team to
you know, you know how they love their speed guys. Yeah,
he's a lot of fun, a bit of an older prospect.
And also I do feel well he does do other things.
His main thing is just running by guys. Again, at
the NFL level, guys are faster. How will they adjust?
But you know he'll run by some guys in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, So you know, you could definitely see
him as kind of a boomer bus player in the NFL.
But like, I also think there's potential for more there
just because he is that explosive.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, well let's move on. Why don't unless you had
any other running backs you want to man, should you
want to go to offensive line?

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, we can go to offensive line.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Okay, offensive line, Kyle I will. I'll tease this by
saying I also have some hot takes ready here, so
just be on the lookout, be prepared for this. Only
a few offensive linemen I really like in this draft class,
but there are some and there are a couple actually
like a lot more than most people do. Let's start
off at number five with Josh Simmons. Uh, just someone

(20:57):
who feels like he's just a solid pass blocking tackle.
I don't love him. I don't know if he's overleastrong
and I think I quite frankly, I don't see him
as a guy who could play guard. I think he
has to play tackle. That's just kind of how his
gill set is, because he is nimble enough to do that.
At six five three ten, has the frame that also
is also coming off an ac al tear. Don't love

(21:18):
his run blocking, but feels like maybe a Juwan Taylor
type that you're getting with with Josh Gimmons, hopefully without
the penalties.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I do have him for I have seen people
have him a little bit higher, and I agree with you,
maybe a little bit lower than the consensus when it
comes to Simmons. But that being said, like this, this
frame and this ability to move is just still so
rare that I think it's okay taking the chance on him.
But you know, it does seem like sometimes he gets
pushed around more than he should given his size, and

(21:48):
I think that's the way I have the concern not
to mention the ACL injury, which I think also gives
me some worries. But overall, like there's still a lot
to like, even though I do have some concerns about him.
If he goes like top twenty.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, I think right, because currently he is projected to
go I believe it's twenty second, which is just a
bit high for me. I think I would like him
maybe very late first round or I think ideally second
round is where I would like him. And it's weird
for I think the Chiefs are a team that would
maybe want to go after him because also they don't
really care about run blocking because they have you know,

(22:22):
it's why I have Juwan Taylor, right, But ultimately, like
that's weird because I think they might want a guy
who could play guard potentially you don't have that with him,
So it's just kind of a weird spot. I wonder
where he ends up.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting one. But you know,
I do think he has the advantage of this not
be any awesome class to me as far as the
overall top to bottom offensive lineman that I think he's
still going to be someone that's taken a chance on early.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, let's move on to number four on the list.
Gray Zabel, who I guess I accidentally deleted my or no,
here we go. I didn't delete my notes for him,
but I deleted his name on my notes, so I
but I found it. Don't worry. We're okay. It's probably
good done it anyway. I mean, he's one of those guys.
His tape is great, he seems to have good fundamentals,
he's quick, he's strong. It's just it's the North Dakota

(23:10):
State University guys, right, They're all projections. Some of them
end up being awesome NFL players, some of them end
up not even coming close, or just these types of
guys in general. Though no lower smaller school dominates there.
You know, he is also kind of a one year
wonder at uh, and he's a bit older, so there's
that aspect as well. But yeah, ultimately a player who

(23:32):
there's the projection which is going to hurt his stock
a little bit, but it's still a player that I like.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah. Uh, we're kind of in lockstep here so far.
So I'm curious to see where you're hot takes are
because I have him fifth. You know, I think he
can play across all five positions and be pretty good
at him. He seems to be pretty pretty good, you know.
It seems like he's pretty good across the line of scrimmage.
I think he's a smart player, and like you said,

(23:59):
he did dominate he was at North Dakota State. North
Dakota State is a weird situation because they're one of
the best teams in their area, their you know level,
and uh yeah, so it's gonna be very interesting to
see how it plays out. But there's a lot of
physical stuff to like about him, and I think he
could play multiple positions, which teams cover it.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, we have a question of do you think he's
better at guard or tackle? Honestly, I don't know, like
what I did my evaluation of him, and I, you know,
I try to do that without reading stuff, and I
was like, oh, I think you could play guard or tackle.
You probably try my tackle, but if you need to
put on a guard, go ahead. I was kind of
surprised that there's seemingly there is a lot of people
who are just saying like, oh, just try him at
guard right away. I certainly think you could try him

(24:39):
at tackle and if that doesn't work out, then move
him to guard. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I mean, it really just kind of depends, Like you know,
I think it depends on which team drafts him and
what their situation looks like. And also, you know, just
simply you know, how how comfortable it looks from the
beginning and training camp. I think he's gonna have the
opportunity to play across as many positions until it like
he finds the spot. You know, we've seen that with
guys like Tevin Jenkins bumping into guard and looking really

(25:04):
good in the past, and it's not you know, it's
not really anything I'm ashamed about either way, if you
have to play guard.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, well, let's move on to my hot take. Kyle
will Campbell, my number three offensive lineman, who I just
I have to say, I'm just not not as into.
I mean, again, this guy who might go forth overall
to your team. So I apologize Kyle that the guy
who everyone's walking to your favorite team is a guy
I'm low wanted. And maybe that's a good thing for you,
I don't know, but it's just he's a player that

(25:31):
I'm not Okay, listen, maybe I'll start off with the positives.
There are very good traits of Will Campbell. He does
have a really good strength, which sometimes if he starts
to lose, that can have him come back with his strength.
He's not gonna get run over. He has good size,
great size as well, and it's still a young player
at twenty one. Comes from you know, high level competition,

(25:52):
all that good stuff. You know. My concern is, I mean,
quite frankly, a like, why didn't he win as much?
He isn't someone who had great production in college, And
quite frankly, I just don't see him as a tackle.
I see him as a guard. I don't love his hands.
I don't think he's great hands. Again, he's someone who
doesn't get run over. So you put him at guard,

(26:13):
put a player on either side of him, and he'll
I think he'll be okay. But I don't think it's
quick enough to play tackle. And honestly, I think that
the hand issue is gonna maybe hurt his development at
guard as well. I think ultimately he should be a
fine player, but I don't see him as this like
top five pick or even a top ten pick.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
In my opinion, there are some reasons for concerns. I
think I'm a little higher than you are. Still I
have him second.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Okay, once again the hot take and you have to
steal it.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I know kind of we just kind of we're in
locksteps on these, Listen. I've been pretty consistent about this
for the multiple years we've done this podcast. Now, I
always value if it's close between a few guys. I
always value traits over production. You know, we've gone back

(27:04):
and forth on this, whether it was Olafshanu and Joe
Ault last year, whether it was Makai Beckton, and I'm
drawing a blank on a few of those other guys
during that draft that we talked about where maybe nobody won.
But anyways, but.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
That wasn't he in the Tristan Wurfs and Andrew Thomas
here or am I remember Gong?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
It was actually that actually turned out to be a
really good draft, so whatever, you know, you know, we
talked about that though, just to go on across all
of those years with those tackles, you know, I'm always
going to handle the trades guy if I think it's
close and Campbell just doesn't have the traits to me,
like you said, he's not as quick, he's not as
you know, he is strong, but I don't think he's
as strong as my number one tackle. He's not as

(27:45):
quick as the number one tackle, and he's not as
big as the number one tackle in my opinion, So
that's where I have him a little bit lower. I
think he's a very smart offensive lineman. I think he's
a very strong offensive lineman, as he said, and I
think he uh, I think he has a lot going
for him, So I still really like him. I think
he's a first round pick for sure for me, and
I think that there's still plenty of room for him
to grow. But yeah, I think that there are some

(28:07):
concerns for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, honestly, Makai Beckon's not a horrible comparison to me
of like just a guy who I think you put
him at guard and he should be a pretty good guard.
But like there is just a projection of saying, hey,
a guy who already in my opinion, doesn't have great technique,
You're now going to have him play a different position
and hope that that works out again worth a first
round pick, like, because he has enough talent to do that.

(28:29):
But there's no way I'm taking him at pick number four.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I hope they don't, but I could see it happening.
But you know, there is still there is still a
lot to like about him. So you know, I'll talk
myself into it by the end of the month if
they end up doing it.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, sure, I mean he's not gonna I don't think
he's gonna be a bad player. But I just and
I have to say this too. So while I am
lower on Campbell than the other than most people are,
I'm actually very high on my top two offensive linemen.
These are, in fact, I did my big board. These
are two top five picks in my opinion, and on
the offensive line. So I like this. I think there's
a couple of really good offensive linemen who aren't getting

(29:04):
talked about enough.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah all right, let's get into it because I have
a feeling that they're my number one and number three.
So who do you got at number two?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yes, I would assume so as well, though I don't
know your list. Maybe something crazy is happening Number two.
Oarman Membo? Who out of Missouri player? Who is you know? Okay,
he's a right tackle. Some people will care about that,
some people won't. But I just really like this guy.
He's a young prospect who really good outside hands. This
is a guy who is a right tackle through and through.

(29:31):
You could try and have him play left if you want.
Some guys can do that, some guys can't. Who knows,
but yeah, I think, you know, he has really good
hands that allow the hands or what I like about it,
he could allows him to win versus these fast guys.
He's played against good competition as well and succeeded. He
can run block, he can pass block, and it's a
really strong player as well. You might find some faster
tackles than him, but ultimately I think he's still good

(29:53):
enough at that as well. So yeah, A big fan
of him.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, huge fan of his as well. He's my number
one tackle. Just a complete player, just you know, has
the size, he has all the intangibles you want, he
has the skill set, he has the production you want
to and yeah, he's a menace. He's a beast on
the line of scrimmage. So the one concerned about it is,
like you said, if a team like the Patriots would
want him, you know, he doesn't exactly fick their offensive

(30:19):
line because he hasn't played left tackle, but maybe you
try and see what happens. And see if he can adjust.
But yeah, he has all of the intangibles you want
as a player, and I think he's gonna be uh,
he's gonna be very good from day one. He uh
has a very high ceiling.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
To me, what's the the basketball story about, Like they
just draft Michael Jordan and play him at center thing
of like like just like I think, like, just get
get the best offensive lineman and move him to left guard.
It worked out okay for the Lions when they drafted
Pinza Wall.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah. No, there's definitely a reason for it, right, It's
just the problem is they paid Morgan Moses, so they
have a right tackle. They don't have a left tackle.
So you know, is that what they're gonna be worried about?
Is that is that the reason they don't draft him.
I don't think it should be, but that would be
that would be the explanation for it not happening. And
I disagree with it, but I think other football people

(31:06):
will think otherwise of that.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
You're right, and I should say, like some guys just
can't figure out what some guys they do it and
it's no problem. Some guys it takes a little bit,
but then they figured out like Sewell struggled in the
preseason and then whis great in the regular season. But ultimately, Okay,
if the reason you're drafting Will Campbell first is because
you like Will Campbell more than sure, we just disagree

(31:30):
on our evaluations. But if the reason is because Morgan
Moses is on the roster, like, that's not great, a
great decision.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I would agree with that. I'm one with you, because
you know, if he's better than Morgan Moses, then he
should play over Morgan Moses, or he should just play
left tackle, and you figure it out. But there is
a lot of explain you know, football people like to
do weird things sometimes. We've seen that all the time.
We've seen that from the New England Patriots when it
comes to their draft process. So I think that's the debate.
But you know, this guy, I mean, he just he

(31:59):
has everything you wanted an offensive lineman. There's not a
lot of holes to his game in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah. Well, this is the thing too where it's like,
you know, you bring up like production versus traits, but
it's like, in my opinion, he has both, Like I
think he's a better like trades guy and a better
he definitely has more production, so I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, he certainly does. You know, he was terrific last season,
So I think the one thing is like I think
before last season he was a bit of a trades
guy versus production guy. But then the production really starts
to round into form too. He's just been good this
past season. So yeah, there's just a lots of love
about his game.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, Well, let's move on number one on my list.
Who is currently still profits people like thirteenth on the
Contensus big board, although is the third offensive lineman on there,
but first on my board, fourth on my big board
Calvin Banks out of Texas, the left tackle who so
I am. I feel like Calvin Banks is a victim

(32:54):
of Quinton Ewers. That is my take on this, because
first off, he did have incredible product at Texas well,
especially pass block. Not quite the run blocker that Membo is,
but a better pass blocker in my opinion, I feel
like there's just a lot of plays like what you know,
I'm making all these getting all the clips for the
videos that I'm gonna make for the you know, draft night,

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and there's a play where like he has this like
highlight level pass block where he just throws the guy,
you know, ten yards behind where the quarterback should be,
but yours is like eleven yards back, and so it
turns into a sack. Like There's just so many of
those types of plays. I think this is the guy
who the power in the hands that he has is
just gonna play at the NFL level. There's more nim

(33:37):
nimble guys than him. I think that you would say
Membo is a bit more nimble, so if you know
that is the trade, and so I don't. I don't
think it's crazy to go Membo over Banks, depending on
your situation. But he is a player that I really like.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Absolutely. He's third for me, and he's firmly in the
first round two even probably top fifteen for me. So
I really like his game. He's as complete as they get.
Like you said, I think he's a slightly worse run
blocker than Meimbo, and that's where the ultimate different.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Was for me.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Although I do think he could be a little more versatile.
I think he could play inside as well if you
needed to. If you're gonna say one thing about Banks
that you love the most, I think as far as
any offensive lineman, I watched in college football last season.
He is the one who feels like he could dominate
games at times. He just like you said, he throws
guys down, he's aggressive about it. He can just you know,

(34:25):
you could put the best ed rusher in the world
sometimes against him, and he still finds ways to dominate
those matchups. It's very impressive what he could do when
he's on the top of his game. I think sometimes
it comes and goes a little bit with him, but
I think more times than not, he's locked in and
he's very very good. So I don't I think that's
you know, I don't really have a consistency issue with
him at all. I just think that, you know, his

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highlights are a lot better than his down to down
I think still, and that's just because his highlights are
so down impressive. So I love his complete game. I
think he could absolutely dominate stretches of games two at tackle,
and yeah, I could see the argument for him being
number one one.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, there are those plays where it's just like there's
just like a section in the field that the edgedresser
just isn't getting to like it just it's not happening
like how you see Tyrone Smith do in the NFL
sometimes I guess how you you would see him do?
Uh yeah, that's you know, it's great stuff. I agree
with with the the critiques, but I still think that
he is a great player and I would rather have
him over over Well Campbell, So there you go.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, I think that's there's a justified explanation to it
for if you're gonna take any of these three guys.
But yeah, I think that uh you know, if you
have if your evaluations lower on Campbell and this is
the guy you want, I can't argue it too too
much because I think he's so physically impressive too.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, well, let's move. Let's let's uh well, first, are
there any honorable mentions that you wanted to talk about
with the offensive lineman?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Not particularly, honestly, I don't. I don't think this is
an awesome class. There's a few more tackles that I
think would be pretty interesting. I forget the guy's name,
the Minnesota kid I think has some juice to him too,
and the organ guy bad interior draft for me. You know,
we we've talked about a few of these guys we
think can bump to the inside and honestly, I would

(36:10):
probably take two or three of these tackles and bump
them to guard before I took the first offensive guard
off the board for me.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, I think. Yeah, Tyler Booker, I was surprised Tyler
Booker has a first round. It's a top thirty two
prospect right now at a CONTENTSUS big board. That might
just be a position thing.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, I guess if you're gonna say, like we have
to we need a guard, like we're a position away,
then he's the number one one. But like like I said,
I would take a guy like Zabel and put him
at guard before I took him.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, I think I think I would agree, Kyle. Let's
get into the pass catchers. So again, this is wide
receivers and tight ends together. Technically running backs are also
pass catchers, but we're not including them here. So yeah,
well let's just get into the list. Let's start off
with number ten on on on the board right here.

(36:57):
I'm going with Jack. Do you not I say, his
name is it Beck or what is it?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I think it's back? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Back, okay, good Jack Beck. Kyle. I'm glad I have
you here because you can just I mean, you could
just be lying to me this whole time, and I
would just be saying things wrong.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I could be wrong anyways, So you know, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, Jack Beck, I mean he just feels like the prototypical,
like you know, flot guy. He can catch in traffic,
He's strong, he cuts very well, you know, the speed,
the size thing like nothing's gonna wow you there at
a four or five six' two like. Thing also coming
from a low level of, competition but ultimately just feels
like he's someone, who AGAIN i don't know what the
ceiling of someone Like Jack beck, is but feels like

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he could be a solid contributor in THE nfl for a.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
While, YEAH i think he's. Good you, KNOW i had
him so TECHNICALLY i have him number, ten BUT i
also did eleven, prospects so he'd be number nine if
we don't Include Travis, hunter BECAUSE i wasn't sure if
we were also including him on this. LIST i guess
we'll have to verify that with. You we didn't consult
that pre. Show but, ANYWAY i like him a. Lot

(38:01):
here reminds me a lot Of Alex, pearce so The colts,
Guy and, YEAH i think he has a pretty complete.
Game BUT i don't know if he's ever going to
be number one, guy BUT i think he HAS i
think he has a bit of an ability to consistently
get open to make some. Plays.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, INTERESTING i see it's a little bit different Than
piers BECAUSE i Think pierce has that like downfield. THREAT
i think he's also a bit. Bigger but, uh BUT
i just think, that, yeah should be a player who
can who can Play Cholace. Hunter i'm still including him
on my, list so But i'm it's similar to HOW
i did With. Corners i'm only talking about him as
a wide receiver on this, list not taking into account
his cornerback.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Ability, okay, Perfect SO i will include him on my.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
List, then, okay, Cool well that's a show show prepping
in real. Time, Here let's move on to number nine
on the. List who is a player who IS i
have sort of as a fringe first rounder. HERE i
think the next two players are kind of you, know,
uh fringe first. Rounders Luther burden out Of. Missouri he's
right be a lot of Like Zay flowers as a

(39:01):
prospect where it's, Like, okay he has these plays where
he's just doing so much with his feet and his
shiftiness and his route. Running but it's also, LIKE i
can't hop if you're gonna be the Next Antonio brown
or the Next Hunter, Renfro, like it's just hard to
tell until we see you in AGAINST nfl talent to
see that, stuff you, Know but really good, speed really good.
Shiftingess a, player another player WHO i.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Like, YEAH i MEAN i like him a lot more
than you BECAUSE i have him. Fourth, OKAY i think
he's pretty. Electric i'm a big fan of HIS i,
mean he's a big time prospect. Too he has the,
pedigree he has the, traits and also he just has the.
Production at this. POINT i thought he was really good
last season For, missouri and, YEAH i think he can you,
know he can you, know play, outside he could plete the,

(39:44):
slot and he's good at both of those. Spots very
he's very good at both of those, spots. Honestly so
there's a LOT i really like About burden's, game AND
i think he could absolutely. DOMINATE i, think you, know
he's firmly in the first round for.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Me, Gotcha, well he's currently thirty fourth on the content
this big, boy which is right around WHERE i have
him on my own big. Board but interesting so so
you're just you're just buying. Again you think this is
just this is gonna work at THE nfl.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Level, yeah, YEAH i think that all the, trades all
that put, TOGETHER i think he's gonna absolutely. THRIVE i
think it could be a number one receiver on a good. Team.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
INTERESTING i feel if he is number one, receiver, though
it's probably gonna be in A Zay flowers type way for,
me at least of like it might might not necessarily
be by, like you, know it might not necessarily be, Like,
okay you're just winning go routes down the field.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Consistently, YEAH i don't know if that he has that
part of his. Game but you, KNOW i kind of
think there's only two guys in this, draft maybe three
if you want to include the third one that have
that sort of like just go down the field and
make a play for a sort of. SKILL i think.
THIS i think there's some depth of this draft for,
receiver BUT i don't know if there's that level of
guy for.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Me, yeah there's only kind of only one GUY i.
FEEL I i view that as for, Me but there's
a couple of GUYS i think could do that to some,
degree which is WHY i have him again at, nine
but it's more So i'm higher on other players AND
i am lower on.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Him, yeah, YEAH i think that's.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Fair, well let's move on to number. Eighth another tough name,
Here Amika eggbuka is that is that?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Close close? Enough And Mecca Mecca.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Buka, okay got. It that's a fun. NAME i ACTUALLY
i like, it but WHEN i want to hear, IT
i think it's pretty. Good, LISTEN i am the worst
at undervalue Undervaluing Ohio state. RECEIVERS i always do. IT
i always undervalue them and they always end up. Good
So i've got to just stop doing. That and except
that he's going to be, GOOD i do have a
first round grade on, him you, know really good versus.
Own knows where to, Go he's shifty and again the

(41:35):
places where it feels like he just coast to his.
Spot All Ohio state receivers do, that and they've all worked,
Out So i'm not gonna hold it against. Him he
is not a. BLOCKER i don't know what his ceiling,
is but he should be a, good good.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Player, YEAH i do like. HIM i have him, six
AND i mean, honestly LIKE i feel like we're just
kind of like he's one of those guys we probably
have the most tape on him than any other prospect
in this. Draft of being, honest it just feels like
he's played in college forever at this. Point he's played
with some of the best, receivers so THAT i also
think that skews how we think of, him because, like,

(42:06):
yes there's been a lot of really good receivers At Ohio,
state and sometimes like those guys overshado at him a little.
Bit BUT i think he's a very, nice complimentary player
to all those. GUYS i think he could be a really,
solid high level number two receiver in a lot of.
Situations AND i think he has a very high.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Floor yeah uh, yeah uh, YEAH i. AGREE i don't
have that much else to add about about. Him, NO
i thought that we a needy more need more things
to talk.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
About, yeah, yeah HE i think he's just viewed as
a boring, prospect which is probably what's hurting him a little.
BIT i think he's a good route. RUNNER i think
he's good in. Hands you, know there's not a lot
of mistakes in his. GAME i feel like as a,
whole he just doesn't really have the the top end
explosiveness that gets people really really.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Excited, Yeah AND i think that's probably the other criticism of,
like he seems like A bb plus at, everything but
where is he AN a plus At that remains to be.
Seen mm.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Hmm but there's a lot of really good things in
A b plus, player, Right, Yeah Chris, olave you could
say that about he's worked out all, Right, yeah, yeah,
Exactly so, YEAH i wouldn't be a surprised if he
outperforms the expectations early. On.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah, well let's move on to one of two tight
ends to make my top, Ten Colston, loveland who is
a twenty year old tight, end so definitely you're getting
some development. Here is a is a bit on the
skin of your. Side at six five forty five for
a tight. End is definitely the route running tight. End you,
know you kind of blocks the way you would expect

(43:34):
him the block at his, weight AND i think you're
kind of hoping that you get him to gain some. Pounds,
again he's twenty years. Old you, know they did use,
HIM i think a bit more than he'll be able
to be used at THE nfl. Level he would just
play an outside wide receiver in COLLEGE a LOT i
don't know if that's happening at THE nfl, level but
is a player who feels a lot faster than he's

(43:54):
a fast. Player he just moved, outrunner you, know player
Who AGAIN i ultimately like him with you draft in
the first.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Dropt, YEAH i like him. Too he's seventh for. Me
he is my second tight end as. WELL i think
the worry for him is he's a, tweeener, Right like
he's going to be too slow to play receiver and
too small to play tight. End that is the. Worry
BUT i still think, overall there's a lot to really

(44:22):
like about his, game and it's just so smooth when
he goes out and likes makes. Catches he has great,
Hands like you, said he runs rocks really, well and
there's a lot to like in that. Regard it's just
gonna take some. TIME i think he's a developmental guy
because it's gonna take a little bit for him to
find his role OR i, MEAN i guess it depends
on how he physically looks in THE, nfl because there
is a situation where he could be like in The

(44:44):
Jimmy graham. Mold BUT i don't think he's athletic as
a guy Like Jimmy graham or you, KNOW i don't
want to Say travis kelce But Travis kelcey is obviously
the number, one you, know as you think of pass
catching tight. End SO i think it's going to take
a little bit of time for him to find his,
role and he's probably gonna have to bowke, up he.
Said but you know there's a lot of upside.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Here, YEAH i. Agree. Yeah in, fairness who who who
isn't less athletic Than Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Graham that's that's. True, yeah, yeah not the most fair
comparison for a.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Lot, YEAH i don't. Know, uh it might not be
as tall As shaquille, O'Neil you, know so, yeah that's top.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Far, yeah that's. Fair, Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Well let's move on To. KYLE a Different. Kyle Kyle
williams is number six on my, list a player out
Of Washington state WHO i am a big fan. OF
i really liked his uh real like WHAT i saw from.
Him i've lost my. Notes this is not. GOOD i
was ready to give a whole thing and Now i've
h he might have been another guy WHO i cut

(45:47):
off The, okay here we. GO i found it he's
a really, good good player who incredibly, explosive really good route,
runner cuts very. Well definitely a smaller prospect six feet,
tall one eighty five that's just gonna scare some people,
off AND i get. It and there's the question that
every speed guy. Has we'll ask this question again when
we're going through this of what happens when he plays
the faster. Corner but he is definitely an also lower

(46:09):
level of, competition but a player THAT i think could
be really good in the perfect Situation i've talked, About
like maybe it's like The lions draft. HIM i think
that could be like a perfect.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Fit, YEAH i knew you'd love this. Guy he ended
up making my honorable. Mentions but you, know there's a
lot to really like about. Him, he's like you, said
incredibly fast and you, know just an absolute. Burner BUT
i think there's more route running to his, game, Too
like the he feels like he's going to be a

(46:37):
line or a chief right or something in those. Molds
maybe he ends up going with Like Ben jonson to The,
bears but like he just fits those sort of like
PLAYBOOKS i think really. Well and someone's gonna take a
chance on that explosiveness and it could. Work so, yeah
there's a lot to really like about. Him besides scares,
me AND i think it's going to scare other. People you,
know he didn't play a ton of slot in, college

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and it's like you just look at him and say
to you have to move to slot to THE. Nfl you,
know can he do this at like A Tyreek hill?
Thing and that's you know that that is difficult to.
Do so can he do that at the next level
is going to be the.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Question, YEAH i kind. OF i think THE rams would
be another interesting spot for, him and some of those you,
know along with the ones you brought, up like maybe
the teams don't necessarily view it the, same like as you,
know two outside guys and a slot guy or a
bit more. FLUID i think that would be the ideal
spot for.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Him, YEAH i just think there's a fine line between
like you, know some of those fat like the best
burners in the league that are some of the best
receivers in football and like to too out, well and,
like you, KNOW i don't think he would be a
bad player if HE'S i like to too at, well
but like that that gives me the concern is, like
can't you KNOW i would where you would you wouldn't
want to out well in the first or second, round you, know?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Right, YEAH i. AGREE i THINK i think that's you're
right that that is the. Concern uh. NOTORIOUSLY i you,
know was a big fan Of Canarius tony back in the.
Day you're always worried about that.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Situation, yeah he doesn't have that many, drums so we'll
see that's.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
True, yes, Hopefully, yeah hopefully there's other issues That tony hopefully.
DOES i have.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Those. Yeah the talent was Never tony's. Issues it was the.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Focus, yes, Potentially. Kyle let's move on to top five pass.
CATCHERS i have another hot take. Here a couple of
these Guys i'm a really big fan. Of and, again
receivers is, hard it's hard to, evaluate So i'm kind
of more willing to take some chances on. Guys go
To Jadon higgins out Of Iowa, state a guy WHO
i can see as sort of A Mike evans junior.
Type he's a six or four guy WHO i think

(48:34):
moves really, well is a really smart route, runner and
how he goes about this. Stuff you, know he's someone
who can play every. Position he can play and. Slot
he can play outside and can win on the. Outside
one of the few guys in his, class SO i
think can do that. Role you, know, again he has
the concern of will he still be as good when
he's playing with corners that can hang with him coming
from you, know low level of. Competition those are, fair fair,

(48:57):
criticisms but just the route running and the the movement
that he has for being a six to four guy
is very interesting to.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Me, yeah there's a lot to really light. There he
has great hands, too great, Hands he runs routes really,
well and he's. Tall does he have necessarily the like you,
said the long speed to be that on the outside
and BEAT nfl. CORNERS i think that's the big question for.
Him but you, know someone's gonna take him. Earlier you,
KNOW i have him as a first round grade, too

(49:26):
and someone should take him in the first round BECAUSE
i think when you look at that that length and
that that ability to catch the, ball someone's gonna take
the chance on that and, say we'll just figure out
if he's fast. Enough but, like he has quickness off
the line of, scrimmage AND i think that quickness helps
maybe his top nd, speed AND i think that's gonna
go a long way for him being a GOOD nfl.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Receiver, YEAH i think. HE i think he has all
the traits that Like Drake london And Mike evans have
of like even if they're not the, fastest being STILL
i Mean mikevin's pretty fast for his, height but like
being able to make that stuff still work being a tall,
guy because sometimes you're just tall, guy but like you
can't move as well and it's easy to. Cover but,
LIKE i think he moves well enough THAT i think it'll.
Work he's actually forty ninth on THE contentsus big, board

(50:07):
so not projected to go really close to the first
round right.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Now, YEAH i think he could be a. Sleeper and
like he's you, know similar To. Evans he's quick for his.
SIZE i think he's fast for his. Size he's just
not like you, know there's gonna be a lot of
corners faster than, him and so he has he used
that quickness and also his ability to run, routes WHICH
i think is really. Good you, KNOW i think guys
that can catch the ball and guys who can run
ROUNDS i think work in THE. NFL i just think

(50:30):
those are traits are really, valued not to mention his
intelligibles with his.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Size, Yeah, ultimately like with someone Like Kyle, WILLIAMS i,
thought if he gets drafted BY i don't, know The,
Panthers i'm kind of, like, well he's, Screwed like that's
not gonna work. OUT i Think higgins can kind of
get drafted wherever and probably be an all right.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Player, yeah or we're gonna get the best version of
his projection no matter, what you, KNOW i think that
there's a chance for him no matter where he, goes for. Sure,
yeah because no one's going to mess around with this.
Scheme you, know he's a guy who's gonna line up
on the outside and he's gonna run his route and
he's good at.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
That, yeah it's kind of no one, says, oh this
guy is six or, four, guy let's try him in
the slot like, like no one everyone knows where they're
gonna get what to do with.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Him. Yeah, yeah it makes a lot of sense for.
Everybody and he can run the, slant he can run
the in, round he can run the, post he can
run the you, know the button, hook and he can
run the.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Go where'd he end up on your list he was. Eighth, okay.
Gotcha so you so you're very high on, this uh this?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Group, YEAH i like this receiver. Class YEAH i. Do,
YEAH i like the. RECEIVERS i think it's deep and uh,
YEAH i think that there's a lot of pass there's
eight THAT i would have pretty close to the first.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Round. Gotcha well let's move on to number, four a
player THAT i will Say i'm a little colder on
than some other. People, Uh Tyler Warren, cay you're? Laughing
what are your what's the what's the laughter? About?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
OH i saw the super.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Chat oh? Gotcha? Uh, yes, okay Fight michael in the
chat saying Weekly Jackson panthers hate. Check, yes, sorry, Sorry.
Michael it's just you're the first team that comes.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Up, yeah it's easy to hate on The. Panthers it's,
fine it's just your, division that's. All.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, Yes, Yes Tyler warren is a Player i'm a
little bit lower on than some other. People, LISTEN i
still think it's a worth a top fifteen pick in
this draft. CLASS i just think there's a big difference
between the highlights versus the tape with, Him, like the
highlights are. Ridiculous some of the catches he can make
are just absurd and like he will have like the
play where he you, know gets the ball and then

(52:27):
just runs by a whole defense or runs over a whole.
Defense very physical, player uh you, know six six two
sixty does have very good footwork for that, Size. Kyle
he would take the direct snaps in. College that's. Fun, ULTIMATELY
i think people are sometimes getting a little excited based
on things he will rarely do in THE. Nfl that's
kind of my main Tyler Warren. SLANDER i GUESS i

(52:49):
don't know if he's a remarkable route. Runner he is
kind of a one year wonder here or just a
complete one year. Wonder you, know he isn't the fastest
guy again for his. Size he moves, well but he's
a huge, guy so like he still, isn't you, know
the fastest. Guy safeties will be able to keep up with.
Him linebackers will be able to keep up with him,
also despite his. Size not quite the blocker THAT i

(53:10):
THINK i would have wanted to see from. Him, ultimately
a very good. Prospect i'm just Not i'm not quite
on the like he's in this year's Brock powers.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
TRAIN i think the problem is is that he has
Brock bowers highlights without Brock bowers. Athleticism mm. HMM i
think that's that's the minor difference for. Me but that being,
said he's my number one pass catcher in this. Draft, Wow,
okay so we can. Disagree, YEAH i think that he
has incredible. HANDS i think he's incredibly dynamic, still and, like,

(53:40):
YEAH i think you, know the issue is he's being
compared to Brock bowers and that might be a little bit,
Unfair but at the same, time like you, know if
your Brock bower is adjacent to, me that's still something
to get really excited. ABOUT i think he has a
complete game almost in a lot of. Ways like you,
SAID i think he can improve his blocking and he's
not the high end. Athlete maybe he improves his route
running a little, bit BUT i still think he's a

(54:02):
decent route, runner AND i still think he's a decent.
Blocker and like you, SAID i think he works. Hard
in the past, Game andy's. PHYSICAL i just think he's
gonna catch a lot of, balls and you, know there's
just that savviness to him this past season where it's
like it just felt like this team needed big plays
all the, time and he managed to get. Them you,
know there's just that that it's an unquantifiable thing to,
say like this guy gets open a, Lot, well why

(54:24):
does he get open a? Lot it just seems like
he always was and this team needed big plays without
a very explosive, offense and he still managed to get
big play after big play for. Them.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
YEAH i don't. KNOW i JUST i didn't feel LIKE
i saw the consistency out of, him and maybe that
should we just disagree on our. VALUATION i JUST i
agreed there were times where he was just just getting,
Open BUT i also funck there were times when he
would kind of just job into a spot and be
covered and that would be the end of. IT i
JUST i didn't see him, LIKE i didn't see him
always getting. OPEN i didn't see him always making these.
PLAYS i think THAT i. AGREE i, mean you, know

(54:55):
we're kind of it's kind of the same. Thing i'm, Like,
okay not quite being Brock. Powers that's once again not
quite being as tall As shaquille on THE. O it's
it's tough to get to that. LEVEL i, Agree but,
LIKE i also don't think he quite had like Brock.
Bowers you watch just his his, tape AND i thought
the highlight Reel Tyler, WARREN i don't think you see,
that at LEAST i didn't WHEN i watched the.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Day, yeah but the highlights are so really. Good that's.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Great whoever drafts him is gonna have so much fun
when they watched the highlight reel the next. Morning.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Yeah and if you get him to round into that consistent,
FORM i think he could, be you, know one of
the Best titans in the, league even if he's not
the best title in the, league because Brock bowers, exist you,
KNOW i wouldn't be surprised if he leads the you,
know rookies and catches next season or in the seasons.
Beyond and you, know he he still has the tight
end abilities THAT i think could be like the most
important past catcher in an, offense similar to what we

(55:42):
saw from some of those guys at the top as.
WELL i think he has that ability in.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Him, YEAH i think he could turn into, like, uh you,
know an elite level. PLAYER i just THINK i doubt
it's gonna be a Brock bowers like a year one transition.
THING i think it's gonna take him a little bit
more time and that's.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
UNFAIR i think that the reason WHY i have him
first is because he is the one person in this
CLASS i feel like pretty confident could be a number
one guy on an. Offense as far as like scheme,
GOES i think that the other, ones like they have
the potential, too BUT i think that they're a little

(56:18):
bit lower for me as far as being, like, like you, know,
elite elite players at their.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Positions, YEAH i think ceiling you can make a strong
argument for number. ONE i THINK i would still go one,
other my number one over him that, way BUT i
think you could definitely make that. Argument so, yeah, yeah
let's let's move on to number three on the. List
i'm Going Matthew, golden the twenty one year old out
Of texas who runs a four to two and no
one really realized that was gonna be how fast he can.

(56:45):
Run but you, know, HEY i think you look at
you look at the you, know you look at certain
traits and you're, like, OH i get, it he's Another Xavier.
Worthy it's not really the. CASE i think he can
cut much better Than worthy could. HAVE i also don't,
know you, know, again there's the question that you're always
going to have with fast guys of what happens when

(57:06):
a fast corner keeps up with. HIM i brought us up.
Earlier there's there's, that there's that. Thing BUT i think
that he can make contested catches and he can cut
well enough that he still will. Work, he's you, know
another guy WHO i think makes you, know Made ewers look.
Better keep taking these ricochet shots on poor Poor ewers
here who's just trying to listen to a. Podcast but uh,
yeah also he's not a blocker at. All but, yeah

(57:27):
ultimately a player THAT i do like a.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Lot, YEAH i like him a lot. TOO i have him.
FIT i think the top five of this draft is really, strong,
honestly AND i would probably to put him all in
my top. SIXTEEN i haven't ranked it all out, yet
BUT i think he's in that stratosphere and he is one.
Guy he's another one where if you watch his best,
plays you're gonna get really. EXCITED i think he has

(57:50):
like some he has like legitimate Like Tyreek hill A jason.
Abilities at, times it feels like his ability to separate his,
speed all that kind of. STUFF i think the one
THING i have With golden is like he was pretty,
good but LIKE i felt like he could have been
better in, college like just based you, know with that skill.

(58:11):
SET i felt like he should have been better than
what he. Was AND i think that that was the
thing that he is The he has been the darling
of the off, season which always gives me costs for
concern and, like, yeah you, know why are people more
excited about you and combine stuff than actual game.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Footage it's a great. Point it's, Like, oky you have
all these, Traits well why weren't you?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Better, yeah and we just see that year off the,
year and sometimes it works and sometimes it. Doesn't you,
KNOW Dk metcalf was one of those guys that's, worked
but there's been other guys where it hasn't. Worked he's
the ultimate traits. Guy and you, know as you continue
to take shots at quinn, yours you, know was that
part of, it you, know not having the best quarterback.
Situation you, know they had a lot of mouse to

(58:50):
feed too in That texas. OFFENSE i think that played
a big part of it as. Well but you, know
it's just, like why why weren't you regarded as this
receiver before we got To? January you, know before we
got to the end of the.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Season oh, mean CAN i actual Quitting youwers gets drafted
by The. Panthers he's just gonna be taking jobs at
him left and.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Right, yeah he he's definitely gonna fit in with with
what you're looking.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
For, YEAH i don't, Know, hey, Listen i'm trying to
call it HOW i see. IT i don't. KNOW i
feel like it. Is, YEAH i don't. KNOW i like
Him aron as a. PLAYER i have him with the
top fifteen pick betunche. Where what do you feel about? Him?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
YEAH i mean i'd definitely take him inside the top
twenty for. Sure IF i ranked it, OUT i think
he'd be closer to sixteen fifteen as. Well AND i,
think you know these, guys he's one of the guys
i'd be excited. About AND i think he's gonna have
some really awesome. HIGHLIGHTS i just want to see the.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Consistency, yeah and where did he end up on your?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
List? Fifth?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Fifth got? It, Okay so you're a little bit lower on,
HIM i think than most people are a little.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Bit but LIKE i, SAID i like him in the first.
ROUND i just Like burden a little bit.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
More, sure. Understandable, yeah that's you see the way that
we do. THIS i feel like when you give hot,
takes it just kind of goes by the radar of,
like you, know my hot takes are on the, screen
people notice them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
More that's pretty much. It, yeah THAT'S i. HAVE i
have the luxury of this job of you, know just
kind of giving my opinions and they have to listen for.
Them they don't get to, uh they don't get to see.
It watch, it watch the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Stamps, right you can't just skip. Ahead, yeah that's. Good
kyle number two on my. List, again this is strictly
as a. Receiver if he did not play, Corner Travis
hunter would still be my number two pass. CATCHER i
don't it's been. Forever we talked about him last, week but,
again has This Tyreek hill level. Stuff i've also, said,
like you, know there's That, Okay Tyrak hill is He

(01:00:41):
Tyra kill is The Kadarius Tony with that, STUFF i
think he's probably gonna be closer To Tyreek. Hill at
least he finds openings in the. Zone, again maybe the
best with the ball in his. HANDS i think he's
fantastic and the STUFF i just as a pure. Receiver
this one guy like, more but he's still the PLAYER
i would draft over any one on this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
List, yeah number three receiver or number three pass catcher for,
me number two wide receiver and number one overall player
because he's the number one corner along with being the
number three overall pass. CATCHER a lot to love about his.
Game he can go win one on, one he can
win on the. Outside he's got, speed he's got you,
know just a lot of intangibles you. Love he's a complete.

(01:01:20):
Player there's a lot to really, like and there is
a potential for him to be the number one receiver
on a really good team and still be. Awesome SO
i think there's a lot huge ceiling for him and
a lot to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Love, yeah, again we have done for. Everyone we talked
about him last. Week you can check that out if
you want to hear more thoughts or ALSO i put
a film study out about him on his, channel so
you can check that. Out but let's get into number
one on the. LIST i am Going pat McMillan out Of,
arizona a player THAT i just really really do. Like
he's the one GUY i do feel like feels like

(01:01:51):
a top tier receiver prospect in my, opinion you, KNOW
i think that. WELL i would like to see him
get a separation a bit more. Consistently and it's definitely
a little bit skinny at six five two. TWELVE i,
mean he moves like he's six to. One the shiftiness
for being six five is, crazy and the way that
he can also make tough, catches also understands the game,
well knows how to get open along with being, uh you,

(01:02:11):
know a player who cuts. Well definitely a player who
did not have the best quarterback play for, HIM i
thought at. Times so that's something that you, KNOW i
think maybe caused him to be touched, undervalued really controversial.
Prospects some people like him top, five some people like,
him you, know top twenty, five but ultimately as a,
player AND i am a big fan Of, kyle what
do you think about?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
IT i really like him, too you, know obviously there's
not too much to criticize. There like you, said you
mentioned the, size the lengthy. Athleticism he moves different and
it looks like that on the. Field it just felt
like there were so many plays where the plan was you,
know it felt like coming out of the huddle is
just saying run a go and we're gonna throw it
up and see what, happens and he still would go

(01:02:51):
down and get the. Ball so you, know his ability
to win those was. Special but you, know we've talked
about it a few. Times sometimes it works, out you,
Know Jamar, chase and sometimes it. Doesn't Nick Kill, harry
how if you can't get separation, consistently how are you
gonna win in THE? Nfl can you win in THE nfl?

(01:03:14):
Consistently some guys are just so different that they're able
to do it all the. Time and it's a it's
a big. Concern it's it is the CONCERN i think
overall is like can you do that consistently in THE?
Nfl there is a fine line between the very best
guys at it and then Nik Kill harry's at, It and,
LIKE i don't think he's gonna be Nick Hill. HARRY
i think he's gonna be close to the other guys at,

(01:03:34):
minimum BECAUSE i think he has different parts of his.
Game he's much quicker than Nik Hill, harry all that
kind of. Stuff but just like the overall separation thing
is gonna be very, Interesting AND i think that's why
one concern about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Him, yeah AND i did feel like he did get,
separation it JUST i would like more consistency out of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
It mm. Hmm. Yeah and it's another guy WHERE i
think the top three, honestly the top four or five,
honestly when you see their best, plays you're gonna think
this guy's. Awesome BUT i think all of these guys
have some things they need to show a little bit more,
consistently AND i think he's no different than those guys as.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Well well'st receivers in, general it's every every, year like
LIKE i remember when we Drafted Tyler johnson in the fifth,
round people, like, oh, goot the, Highlights he's gonna be.
Great like that's like no matter who it, is, like people,
like there's always, great a great highlight, reel except for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
You Late Justin jefferson and have two thousand, yards but
you're a little bit smaller than people. Want. Right that
was the one where it's, like how did he end
up in? Twenties?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Yeah that one that was that was. Weird, Uh Jilen.
Rieger maybe one day we'll catch up career, wise, Yeah, Kyle, well,
uh actually BEFORE i ask you, this, UH i would
Say i'm seeing people a lot of mock drafts having
The panthers at, eight having a chance to get McMillan
and like going for like a you, Know Jayalen walker or,
something no draft draft, McMillan Give Bryce young a guy, here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
You know that maybe they could trade who is the
guy they traded a pick for that The cowboys gave
like a fourth Round Jonathan.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Mingo, yeah oh, yeah they they'd get like two first
for him after a.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Year, yeah maybe they maybe they can get draft him
and trade. Him. YEAH i think they definitely need a
number one receiver and he would make a lot of sense.
There SO i think he does have the potential as.
Well LIKE i, SAID i Think turner just has higher
potential Of like IF i were to say this player
is going to be in five years the best player
at their, POSITION i Think turner has a higher chance
of that than. Micmillan maybe that's just because of the

(01:05:17):
positions as, well but LIKE i think he is more
likely to be an elite tight end than McMillan's an
elite wide. Receiver BUT i think he still has very
very good wide receiver. Potential.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Yeah, Okay michael, SAYS i get a pass off for
hating on The panthers that Take walker over. Time, okay,
GOOD i appreciate that BECAUSE i will do. That if
they do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
That uh what if It's Kelvin banks Over, ted.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Then i'm a. Fan then, WELL i, MEAN i don't
want need to, tackle BUT i. WOULD i would still,
SAY i would, say, like MAYBE i would rather have
McMillan than a tackle given their. Situation but at least
they're getting a good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Player he could play. Guard why? Not?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Sure, LISTEN i don't blindly hate The. PANTHERS i hate
the teams that consistently make MOVES i disagree with which
The panthers are one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Of, yeah that's, fair you, know given their track record right,
now you can't hate, it, Right, Yes look.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
At how many Pro Brace young film STUDIES i made
towards the end of last.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Year he played well, here and, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
I'm a big Brace young's play. Good i'm saying, Good
Brace young. HELP i think he's he's you, know he
could be better than people. Realize he was great towards
the end of last.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
YEAR i would agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
That, okay got to give some of my Positive panthers takes,
OUT i, Suppose. Kyle last QUESTION i want to ask
About ted. McMillan i've asked this little bit before pick number,
Four how would you feel The patriots went?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
HERE i wouldn't be men if they took the chance on,
it just BECAUSE i need they need the, players they
need the, talent and they need past catching help so.
Badly so DO i think it's a bit of a
reach for WHERE i have? Him maybe a slight, Reach
but at the same, time, LIKE i think he's good
enoughing worth it taking the chance. On and maybe it's

(01:06:56):
just one of those things WHERE i don't think this
drafts as good as other. Drafts and, yeah SO i
think that could be one of those things, where you,
KNOW i think there's a chance we get a good
player out of. This So i'm Not i'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Upset, Yeah lions fan Says Beatroit Lions beatroit fan man
said the target is teams that continuously make poor moves
And Jared, Goff, yes that's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
True oh, boy we don't need to do The Jared golf.
Thing don't we Love Jared goff last?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Year? Yes and it ended perfectly. Too. Yes? Uh and, then,
uh who do you want for The patriots at for like, realistically.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
So assuming the top three guys are? Gone, Yeah hunter
And carter are, GONE i would Say, Membo i'd be
okay With Mason, Graham i'd be okay With, Ted i'd
be okay With Dallas, Turner i'd be okay with Even Will.
CAMPBELL i THINK i talk myself into, it and then,
yeah that's probably about. It that would be my list

(01:07:59):
at that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Genty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
YEAH i talk myself into it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Too so you're, you're, you're you're easy, gone. Whatever just
just don't don't do something. Stupid don't do The cleveland. Furl.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Yeah, NO i mean LIKE i could talk myself into
any of those. Guys, ideally if If hunter And carter
off the, BOARD i kind of want us to trade
back and see if we can bad his team and
taking The shador and then maybe Get turner at like
pick eight or nine H High New. Orleans you. Know,
yeah you, know if we could trade back and get,
Him i'd be happier with that than maybe like Taking

(01:08:30):
ted at.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Four, yeah in, hindsight it might have been nice If
Joe melton didn't win that, Game, yeah and then.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
We traded him for like a fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Rounder maybe maybe in, hindsight they couldn't just Signed Nathan
petermans a backup or, Something, Kyle who else was on
your list that we didn't get?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
To oh, WAIT i closed? It DID i have anybody
else on my?

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
List if there's someone you want to talk, ABOUT i
should SAY i had.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Him at, eleven just BECAUSE i wasn't sure if we
were Doing Travis, hunter So i'll shout him. OUT i
Had actually, NO i had him at, nine just. KIDDING
i had somebody else at, eleven, Uh xavier Or. Strepo.
LISTEN i don't care what anybody. Says this guy's gonna be.
Good like he's just gonna be a good slot. Player
AND i don't care what you. Say does he have?
Flaws is he like the perfect athlete or anything like? That?

(01:09:16):
No and, no but he's going to be good AND
i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Care okay he. IS i, mean obviously the five ten
winning a four to eight is something that concerns. You,
yes but he's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
GOOD i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Care, Right it's it's one of those that's, perfect like
rams are gonna get in the sixth. Round he's gonna
be the player for.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Him, yeah it's the it's The Blake korum thing for.
Me he's just a good football. Player you, know he's
going to figure things.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Out, yeah, listen it's not a bad. STRATEGY i could
totally see. It, Uh, kyle that is our, Show. Lemon
we can find us On twitter before we head.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Out all. Right make sure to follow us On. Twitter
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Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Jk of course you have like audio only podcast, anywhere
get your podcast search on the sideline. Podcast it should
be available. There, remember next week we will have our mock,
draft which should be. Fun we're doing that live six
Pm easter and so definitely been a lookout for. That
it'll be a day before the, draft So. Wednesday, Yeah,
kyle how are you feeling about The MAVs?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
TONIGHT i want the season to, end, Please, like just
let's just end this and get everybody fired and you,
know get into the off. Season this has been one
of the most, miserable like just fan EXPERIENCES i Think
i've ever. Seen it's just. CRAZY i Think i'm more
rooting For luca than The mavericks at this point in the.
Playoffs and Maybe i'll go back to being A MAVs fan.

(01:10:41):
Soon but it's just tough to watch this season and
talk about it. Anymore you. Know it's just it's. Brutal
it's really.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Brutal, yeah it's It's. KYLE i do feel for you
that this, Is, uh this is because at, least LIKE i,
think usually when you have a bad, season it's like
we at LEAST i have these players THAT i, Like
but it's like the bad season is because they traded,
away like the player that you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Like, YEAH i, mean it's just this is the most unprecedented, Thing,
like you, KNOW i compared it to you, know WHEN
i obviously being A Red sox fan, too The Mookie bets.
Thing but like even, then there is still other players
to get excited. About you, know there is other you,
know there's other good players on the, team and you,
know baseball is a little bit different in that, Regard,

(01:11:23):
like like the whole point of basketball is to try
and get one of these top five players in the
league and have them on your team and have them
on your team for. Decades and we just traded, That
like we traded that at twenty five years, Old like
that is just an unprecedented. Thing like these guys don't

(01:11:46):
come around very. Often this would be, like you, know
this would be like going FROM. Bp you, know they Had,
dirk they Got dirk's last, year Was luca's rookie, year
and then it was like the passing of the torch.
Almost this would almost be like if they Traded Aaron
rodgers after four or five years and Then Aaron rodgers
went on and won That Super bowl with somebody. Else

(01:12:07):
like it's just it's so bizarre that it went down this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Way, yeah it getting rid Of burrow, now like it's just,
yeah it's it's it's. Weird it's. Weird allen, says time
to switch to To Orlando. Magic, Kyle, yeah, hey we're we're
we're doing, great about to take Down. Boston do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
So i'm going To game, four so oh that'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Fine we're gonna. PLAY i don't. KNOW i took The
magic art team that's trying to win like the nineteen
eighty FIVE Nba. Championship it's like we played.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Obviously the amount of. INJURIES i, mean they were the
four seed for a good stretch of the season before
all the injuries And paolo got, Hurt franz got, hurt
The Jalen sugs injury which is so impactful this, season
which was a weird, one but like they're still. Growing you.
Know The frond shooting thing has been so weird for
the last two seasons because he was a good shooter before.
It you, Know, paolo you, know he's a really good.

(01:12:59):
PLAYER i really like. HIM i think he's very. Promising
he still has a lot to work on when it
comes to efficiency and shot selection and those those are
things THAT i think will get. Better but, OVERALL i
think they need another offensive, guy they really. Do you,
know they try to get some shooting With Kentavious Calwell.
Pope it hasn't. Worked he hasn't shot the ball. Well
but like you, know there have been things about Like

(01:13:21):
Coudrey young get traded to this, team AND i don't
Think magic fans want him a whole lot because, okay,
yeah but LIKE i do think they could use another
guy with offensive, juice whether it's you, know Does miami
blow it up And tyler heroes? Available Does like you,
know do you pay like pennies on the dollar for
someone like you, Know DARIUS. A Anthony, Simons Jordan. POOLE

(01:13:44):
i don't, know but like they need someone who could.
Score they definitely need someone who could. Score and you
saw it With Cole. Anthony this team makes a lot
more sense when you have a guard that could put
some bad buckets. Up you just Want Cole anthony to
do a little more.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Consistently, Yeah coyle's. FUN i Think i'm gonna at you
AN nba, fan, now you, Know I've i've been following
them pretty much all, year But i've been a good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Time, yeah you're even locked, in AND i think that
they uh you, KNOW i still think they got a
promising thing going on, there but, uh you, know it's
still gonna take a few more, years and obviously the
injuries this year just derailed. Them uh you, KNOW i.
DON'T i know they've Played boston well the last couple of,
years BUT i think this ends pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Quickly yeah, yeah, wow that confident in the, Magic well
that's pretty. Impressive uh. Yeah, Also drew, says uh, haha
To brewin.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Suck, yeah, well you, know thank god the season's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Over, yeah hopefully THE i think to do, well that's
THAT'S i guess the one. ANOTHER i don't we don't
been forever on the other, sports But i'm hoping we.
Can you, KNOW i don't. KNOW i FEEL i was
listening to a hockey podcast and everyone on the podcast
predicted The lightning to get to the stand The cup
final out of The. East i'm, like that's. CONCERNING i
don't like. THAT i don't like there's too, much too
much like we're about to get swept out of the first.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Round, yeah weird playoffs for, sure you. Know, yeah, Man
like it feels like it should be the capital, story,
Right LIKE i know he's not like alluding to retire or,
anything but, like doesn't this feel like it just be
THE ovi? Sendoff we saw him break the scoring record
and then they go and win The cup and then
he's you, know kind of goes, like wouldn't that be

(01:15:10):
the best story? Possible, WELL i.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Think the best start possible would be delighting to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
One, yeah well that's, fine you know you could think.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
THAT i, mean, Whatever ob has a. Cup you know
there's better stories out. There The leafs winning is the best.
Story we don't want to. Happen it's not a fun
story and fun ending for, us but that's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Story, well nobody Likes, canada so that's why you, know
we don't talk about. That but, yeah, LIKE i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
KNOW i Think columbus winning is the best. Story they get,
it they get, in uh and then and win it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
ALL i love a good send off, cup that's. All but,
yeah kind of you know he.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Does you're happy in twenty fifteen When Peyton manning, One.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
No but he already, no, no, no, no he didn't.
Play he didn't play that, well you, Know, yeah it's
one of those. Things it's anybody's ballgame as soon as
you get into the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Playoffs, yeah except For release usually.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Yeah, yeah it's not happening for. Them you. Know hurricanes
aren't happening for. Either.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Yeah those or two that's the, two the two Constant, Kyle,
uh that is? It any foul? Thoughts you're ready to get.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Out of, Here let's get out of.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Here i'm, Ready, yes all right, again thank you everybody
for watching or. Listening we do appreciate. It and until,
then uh, wait until that DID i?

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
DID i?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Say just give up to the. Time, yeah until next,
time have a good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
One, peace