Recapping everything that's happened in Free Agency (So Far)

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the One
the Sideline Podcast with Jackson and Kyle. I am Jackson
and I'm joined here as always by the man who
just signed a long term deal with the New England Patriots. Kyle, Ky,
how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Doing pretty good? Yeah? I could use about thirty million
dollars right now, Patriots. Give me a call. I don't
know what I'll do, but I'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, well, we'll figure something out, I think for that price.
That Kyle a ton of talk about. But I think
a very eventful free agency period going into it, I
was wondering, Okay, we don't have a ton of huge
names on the market, but there's there's been some wild moves.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
There has definitely been some wild moves, some big money
thrown around, lots to talk about in that regard. And yeah,
I mean, it wasn't the strongest free agency class by
any means. There was no like Wow, Derrick Henry Saquon Bark,
the sort of situation here, A couple, you know, interesting
moves I think we could talk about. But the uh,
I think the big story of the weekend and extended

(01:43):
weekend was these uh some of these big name traits
that happened, and obviously that was a lot to talk about.
That made this a lot more compelling for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, some some very fascinating trades.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Someone asked me, uh, you know, uh is it Kruger's
or a crew caad. It's not like what people that
are Team Jackson are like Krugheads. I like that.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's just your your fan page, your stand accounts.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, accounts, krug Heads is the is the correct one?
I think?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, that's probably right. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, Okay, that's a good one. Credit to that comment
there for coming up with that. Kyle. Let me just
explain what we're gonna do here. It's more of a
free form show. We don't have any like massive structures.
I do have some topics to go over, but we're
just gonna talk about the biggest events that have happened
so far in free agency. We will get more in
depth in future episodes. We will do our team by

(02:35):
team breakdown next week, so you know, being look up
for that. We should be back on our normal time
Wednesday next week for that. But but yeah, I think
you talk about the big trades. Should we just start
off with probably the biggest one, which was I don't
believe we'd had a chance to talk about this, the
Gino Smith to the Raiders one, which I think was
kind of a real shocker.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Very much a real shocker. And yeah, this was the
biggest trade obviously of the week. A couple of big
trades over the weekend, but this was the more I
think interesting, impactful one because yeah, I mean, nobody really
saw this one coming. We were kind of you know,
I think we even said last week when we were
talking about free agent quarterbacks, like could the Raiders be
a destination for a team, because like, is Pete Carroll

(03:17):
really going to be interested in developing a young quarterback
as is like starter year one at his age and
all that sort of thing. So they still may draft somebody,
but I doubt it at this point. They get a
guy in Gino Smith, who I think is pretty good,
and yeah, I mean it was really shocking. I was
surprised to see that play out the way that it did.
So they trade for Geno Smith and the Seahawks are

(03:40):
you know, interesting overall weekend for the Seahawks. You know,
they make this move in they go and get the
quarterback obviously, and Sam Donald over the weekend as well,
and I think those obviously go together. So there's a
lot to talk about there. I guess the question I
have is, is Sam Donald an upgrade Regino Smith? And

(04:01):
I don't really know if that's what I believe. I
don't think so, but he was last season, so maybe
it continues for Seattle.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah. Well, let's say this from the Raiders' perspective first,
and then we'll get into the Seahawks, who I think
we're probably both in agreement that it is just like
an obvious win. Like if you can get a starting
caliber quarterback for a third round pick, a guy who
Kyle you were saying at a certain point last year
should have been an MVP discussion, is you know, only
a third round pick? I mean that feels like a
pretty pretty big slam dunk, right, Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, they get a guy who you know, he's he's
a very good player. I really like his game, you know,
I think he's really accurate at the ball. I think
he runs the offense really well, and he's gonna have
a decent amount of weapons to throw to it. It's
not going to be quite as good as Jackson's for
the jig but in DK Metcalf, but with Jakobe Myers,
with Brock Bauers in this offense, they have something to

(04:52):
build on now with this group, and it's exciting. You know,
this is a team that you didn't really know what
direction they were going in. They wanted to games the
end of the season that moved him out of a
draft pick, and this kind of solved the equation for them.
Like I said, they still may go back and get
a quarterback, but it gives them the opportunity now to
where they don't have to necessarily draft for that need.

(05:12):
They can go and get what they feel is the
best player in the draft available and maximize their talent
that way, which I think is the right way to
handle it.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Let me ask you, because I've heard this criticism of
this trade. Is it a or you know, for the
Seahawks going for Peek Carrol, going for Geno Smith? Are
they maybe not shooting for the stars here, maybe already
shooting for I don't know, a tall building instead Seattle's perspective, Yeah?
Or no? The Raiders protective? Are they not? That is
a weird analogy. Are they not necessarily trying for a

(05:43):
championship here? But maybe instead just trying to be confident.
Are they not? Is this a move that's gonna win
them a championship?

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Maybe not. But I don't know if there was going
to be a move that makes them championship contenders in
the next three, four or five years. Right, Like, there's
so much unknown with it that it makes it so difficult.
I will say that they got a guy who makes
them a lot better, that can make them competitive in
the playoffs. And I mean, look, year to year, the
NFL can be weird. It can get weird. Things can happen,

(06:13):
you know, something an injury could happen, something weird could happen.
You could develop, someone could develop and take a huge leap,
and all of a sudden you're either a lot better
or in a lot worse position than you thought you were.
It wouldn't shock me if the Raiders are in playoff
contention next season. It wouldn't shock me if the Raiders,
you know, are challenging some really competitive teams. I don't

(06:34):
know if they're going to be a super Bowl contender.
But you know, I think I think we get way
too much wrapped up into the idea of every team
has to be winning. It trying to win a Super
Bowl or tanking for the first overall pick, and I
just don't think that's the strategy that should be the
applied in the NFL all the time. Like, yes, eventually

(06:55):
you do need to have that formation of what this
is going to be, But it's so easy to turning
your team around in the NFL. I feel like and
a lot easier to just accumulate talent to the point
where I just think you can draft great players in
the middle of the first round and get quality, quality starters,
pro bowlers, even that you don't necessarily need to go
all out and say, like we need the first overall

(07:16):
pick we need to take now, just go get good
players and make your team better and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think. I agree. Yeah, sometimes you need to walk
before you can run, Like sometimes you know they have
pay Buccaneers won a Super Bowl by being a good
enough roster that they could attract Tom Brady. The Rams
did something similar the you know, the lot of the Eagles.
You could argue, like consist like they didn't have they
drafted a quarterback in the second round. Right, Sometimes it's
not about the having a first overall pick, although I

(07:41):
can also understand why a team would take that route,
but you don't have to Let's talk about the San
Donald of at all. Let's talk about the Seahawks, and
they have had a busy offseason. I think we'll touch
on the dk Metcalft thing in a second as well.
But getting rid of a lot of known players, and
I mean the logic behind the move is okay. Sam

(08:02):
Donald was better last year than Gino Smith, although I
don't think it was a huge gap, but the numbers
were a lot better at least for Donald, and he's
twenty seven, whereas Geno Smith is thirty five. It feels
like that's the main thing, right.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, that's the huge factor of it. Obviously, Gino Smith
is an older quarterback that plays a huge factor in it,
and it does give Seattle an opportunity to reset their
clock a little bit here with the younger quarterback. However,
I'm still always going to be skeptical with Sam Donald.
I mean, obviously it's easy to say that when the
last two games did not go as they anticipated. However,

(08:37):
this is a player who still I think overall, has
some struggles and he's not thrown to Justin Jefferson anymore.
So how is this going to look this season in Seattle.
I think he got a fair contract based on his value.
I think Seattle in the end, like you can make
a lot of logic to the move, Like you said,

(08:58):
you're trading a thirty five year old for a third,
you're bringing younger quarterback to make it happen. But all
it could just be reshuffling the decks. We'll see. But
I just I don't know if I come away from
this weekend thinking Seattle got better from this situation. Not
to mention they traded one of the best players on
the team as well, so all they put together, It's
just like I want to see the vision play out

(09:20):
first before I really vote this as slam duck.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, I think it's fair. I think it's a it
is it's it's a questionable thing. I mean, part of
me wonders if this is if maybe they don't aren't
in love with Gino Smith, uh, you know, maybe they
don't see him the way we do and feel like
this is an upgrade. I think it's just the age thing.
I think maybe Seattle feels like we're not really where
we want to be right now. I don't know, it's

(09:45):
because when they trade away Geno Smith, I was kind
of like, oh, they're just they're they're doing a d
NBA thing of let's just blow it up even though
we're okay, let's try to be bad so we can
get a draft back. I'm like, Okay, I get the
logic there, but yeah, I mean, part of me I
can't help but think how much of this has to
do with the fact that Sam Donald when he played Seattle,
was amazing in that game, maybe maybe the throw of

(10:06):
the year and kind of ended the Seahawks season. Like
how much is that playing a factor in this?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
It could be playing a big factor. I mean, it's
easy when it's like right in front of your face, like, oh,
this is awesome sort of thing. But yeah, I mean
it's just one of those It's an interesting aspect. I
think what was really surprising about it was the Geno
trade was surprising to begin with. We did not see
that necessarily coming. But when it did happen, it happened

(10:32):
on the cuss about like we knew the DK Metcalf
trade was going to happen, when the Genosmith trade ended
up happening surprisingly, So when that happened, it was just
one of those things that's like, okay, yeah, so then
now they're just gonna tank. They're gonna rebuild around some
of their young players and figure it out from there.
And then immediately after that, Chefer tweeted like, oh, now
there's another opening for Sam Donald in the free agent

(10:54):
market the Seattle Seahawks. And then that just made my
head scratch, like why would you make all of this
happen then get another veteran quarterback unless they just viewed
that they're gonna clean house from that one. Donald fits
the timeline of Jackson Smith and Jigba anymore. They're gonna
get a good player in the draft and then they're
gonna go from there. I can understand both sides of it.
It's just a fascinating, fascinating decision making I think overall,

(11:18):
and I don't know if it's gonna work. I mean,
I don't know. I think they got a terrific receiver.
They got a quarterback who played very very well last season. Like,
I wouldn't be surprised if this offense is still pretty
good next season, but I wouldn't be surprised if it
takes a step back.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, I mean I I guess. I mean again, the
two things are do they just view Donald is better
or like, again, I think it's just Gina Smith's gonna
be thirty five next year? Is that? Hey, we like
Gino Smith, we like seem Donald. We viewed them as
similar players. But Gino Smith wanted a contract extension, Let's
not give it to him and instead let's just, you know,

(11:51):
go with a different guy and we could have him
for ten years instead of three.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, And it's one of those things we've talked about
so many times when it comes to some of the
veteran quarterbacks and they're actually doing the balls. He ones
enough to do it. But uh yeah, I mean the
thing is is that I think that when we said
the logic of letting your veteran quarterback go instead of
paying him, it wasn't to pay another veteran quarterback who
were still skeptical about. That's the weird usually the draft

(12:16):
and start over, because there was a lot of like
I felt like Jackson Dart's name came up a lot
for the Seahawks at that point, and maybe they still
draft a quarterback, who knows, but it just felt like
a very interesting scenario to play outs where it. Like
I said, it just felt like reshuffling the deck.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, after what it Landa did last year on who
knows with the drafting quarterbacks, but uh, you know who
will and who won't. But the other aspect that we
have to mention is, like I think you kind of
touched on it. We don't know if Darnold was great
like he was he was very good last year in
the system, but also like he does hold onto the
ball for too long and he had a really good
pass protecting offensive line. He did melt down in the

(12:56):
last two games of the season. Like, there is the
concern of he had a case Keenum like year and
now you're gonna be not only are you gonna be
on the hook for paying him this money, but also
you could potentially have let let a quarterback who you
know is good in your system walk out the door.
That's probably why I wouldn't have done it. It's just
the unknown factor.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, who would you rather paid for the next three
years between these two?

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think if I'm just if I'm the Raiders, I
think I would rather have Sam Darnald. If I'm the Seahawks,
I would take the guy who's already into system.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, it's just yeah, it's just fascinating because like you
definitely feel like they took a step behind Los Angeles,
like a significant step behind. Like that's that's the tough part,
is like it, you know, I think the Raiders, like
I feel like we're playing both sides of the same
thing where it's like, well, the Raiders aren't trying to
tank and the Seahawks aren't trying to tank, but we're
applauding the Raiders for it. I definitely feel like the

(13:50):
Raiders came out of this week in a better football team.
That's the difference. And I'm not just not sure like
Seattle became a better football team for the president of
the future.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, let's talk about another move Seattle made. DK metcalf Is,
a Pittsburgh Steeler, wanted to go to warm, wet weather
Pennsylvania the you know, uh, I mean, so again, he
requested a trade. The the Seahawks say, okay, we're willing
to kind of again. I thought at the time it
was more of a like, Okay, let's fully rebuild, although
they seem to be maybe I don't know, retooling, whatever

(14:21):
you want to call it, but they honored his trade.
And the Pittsburgh Steelers finally get another receiver. It seems
like they've been in on all of these trade you know,
potential wide receivers that have could have been traded. They
were in under Brandon Ayuk thing. Finally get h DK
metcalf in, which immediately the most volatile wide receiver room,
uh you know in the league.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, just like who who do we need? We need
them to play like CJ. Gardner Johnson. Yeah, that's what
we need. We just need a that would be a
full fist fight right there. Who do he get traded
to the Texans? Right? Are they on the schedule? We
need that to happen. Yeah, Uh, interesting trade for sure.
Obviously we saw this one coming and all that kind

(15:04):
of stuff, And you know, I understand both sides of it.
I think that the the Steelers get a very good player.
They instantly have one of the best receiver duos in
the league. I like DK Metcalf. I was on some
text spreads of people who really I felt like we're
underrating DK metcalf And this is coming from the guy
who was saying he was their second best receiver all

(15:24):
of last year.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And it was just me more liking in Smith and
Jig but more And yeah, I mean it's fascinating because, like,
I think it's the right move for Pittsburgh. I don't
know how much closer it gets them, obviously, we need
to see how the rest of the offseason plays out,
because there's no quarterback to throw the ball to these
two receivers. But they are very physical on the outside.

(15:48):
They are very big on the outside now. And both
of those guys are really good too.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah. They did not play the Texans this season, unfortunately,
they played a the Lions. Could that be chippy? The
Lions to have some defensive backs who can be that
there's the third potential there.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, yeah, I think that could be a fun one
for sure. Uh you know, just give us all the
all the toxic energy we need. We need some old
school AFC North playoff battles with these two, That's what
I need.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, I think we will. I think we'll get it.
Uh yeah, I mean I think it's a good move.
Like I think DK Metcalf's a really good young player.
The best thing I can think, the biggest comparison I
can think of was the A. J. Brown trade. Uh,
you know, a few years back. I know now we
viewed that. I think we view A. J. Brown as
a better player, but at the time he wasn't really
considered like a top five receiver in football. He was

(16:35):
kind of considered more closer to what we considered DK Metcalf.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, yeah, that was a surprising thing. He went for
so low, but he also needed a contract as well,
so that plays a factor, and he got paid. I mean,
that's a big, big contract, so I understand why maybe
that lowered the asking price a little bit for the
draft capital. But at the same time, like it feels
like a big contract, but like it feels like this

(17:00):
salary caps going up thirty million dollars a year every year.
So like, you know, I seen, like some people, I
feel like I see in every every big free agent
move in trade, like oh, that's an overpay for the
contract and all that sort of thing, and it's like, well,
in two years these contracts are you know, gonna be
underpaid compared to their value for the position. So it's
just it's it's fascinating to see how that plays out.
But yeah, I think they they got a very, very

(17:21):
very good player, even if he can be frustrating at times.
Even if he has a little bit of an attitude problem.
What great wide receiver hasn't had an attitude problem? Honestly?
And uh yeah, I think that once they figure out
this quarterback thing, which one are they going to use?
Is it Russell Wilson, is it Aaron Rodgers? Who knows?
But they're definitely going for it this year.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
What do you mean to have Skyler Thompson under roster?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh yeah, that'll be a good one.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
He's he's almost he almost want a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
He almost want a playoff game. Indeed.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay, well, yeah, let's move on. Let's go to Well,
why don't we uh, why don't we go with Justin
Field's old team? Or I set it backwards, why don't
we go If a former Pittsburgh Steeler Justin Field's going
to a new team, which is the New York Jets,
he signs a two year, forty million dollar deal, how

(18:11):
do we feel about this? From the from the Jets
perspective and from the from Fields's perspective.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I think I'm okay with it with both perspectives. Like
I kind of just shrugged my shoulders, like I don't
think the Jets are gonna be good next season, and
I don't. I'm not convinced Justin Fields is good. So
it's like, you know, the Jets get one more chance
to be like, is there anything left in this guy? Right?
Like it's a you know, forty million dollars is still

(18:40):
a decent amount for like let's see what he has
kind of thing. But you know, they had to pay
somebody to play quarterback, and you know, they're they're gonna
get him in the room. They're gonna give him a
couple of years probably here to see what happens. But yeah,
I don't I don't expect that to work out this season,
and you know, I think it's gonna be a very
very interesting Jets team because I still think they've got

(19:02):
a ton of holes on that offense that they have
to fill. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I mean it's so weird because last year it was
the team was definitely I think worse than to some
other parts, right, Like, uh, it was just they had
like it thought like, oh, Aaron Rodgers are okay, Like
DeVonta Adams is okay, Garret Wilson's all right. It's like
why are they losing every game? I do feel like
I kind of like this move Kyle just because like, again,

(19:27):
what are you gonna do. The Jets don't have a
high draft pick to get a quarterback unless they want
to trade up or something, So let's just go with
Justin Fields. He's an option you have to Rod Taylor also,
who like, maybe you figure something out. Let's just see
what we have in Justin Fields and if it doesn't
work out, it doesn't work out.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's definitely no fault to it
because like it's very low risk in you know, potentially
high reward, but you know, the the percentage chance of
the high rewards probably low. But like I said, it's
just trying to what you have in that position. I
think it's gonna be really tough because I just don't
think this roster around him is very good right now

(20:06):
until they figure some things out, because like they don't
have a left tackle currently. It's gonna be Ola Forshan
who I'm assuming filling into that spot, but they still
have holes in that offensive line. The secondary receiver options
are not ideal for this team. And then all of
a sudden, it's just a lot of new faces Garrett Wilson,
Breese Hall, and then you have Justin fields. That's an
athletic backfield. That could be fun. But yeah, it's just

(20:28):
like you're taking a chance on something and I don't
hate that. But like, I'm not expecting this team to
score a lot of points. But you know, I've been
wrong before and I could be wrong again. Maybe he
has the bounce back season and that that career breakout
year we've been waiting for.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, listen, I'm not gonna bet
on the Jets being good. It's gonna take a lot.
But I also think but the Aaron Glenn of it all,
you know, a big part of how the Lions were
able to I think establish a win in culture. It
might have been in part because you had Jared Goff
who wasn't like, oh, if Jared Goff comes in and
starts playing amazing, then we'll start winning games. I think

(21:04):
it can help kind of. I feel like in some
ways with the Jets, like, Okay, Aaron Rodgers, once he
gets here, then we'll start being great. Or once Zach
Wilson starts stepping it up, then we'll be great. Once
Sam Darnold steps it up, then we'll be great. You notice,
not the case with Fields, And maybe that can help
install this winning culture for Aaron Latton.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, if anything, it's going to be a better culture
than last year. Like it's certainly, I mean, yeah, it's
certainly gonna be a lot more likable of a situation.
Field seems like a great guy. I haven't seen him
on Pat McAfee yet. Maybe that change is going in
the next year. I don't know exactly what the contract
situation says for that, but uh, yeah, he seems like

(21:44):
a much more likable guy, and I think this is
going to be a much better situation for him and
the team. But yeah, it's just you know, is the
talent there. We saw glimpses of it last season and
we were really excited at times. And he played. He
played a lot better in Pittsburgh than he did in Chicago,
And a lot of that was that they were kind
of putting the training wheels on him, if you will,
Like they were not asking him to do a whole lot.

(22:05):
It was a lot more of like game manager situation
plus like design run plays, because he's really not that
great of a scrambler. He's more of a good design
runner in my opinion. But yeah, I mean, how they
were able to utilize his skill set. I mean, there's
a reason he was drafted highly. He was rated highly
in high school, and he was good in college. He
has a very unique and you know, abundance of skills.

(22:28):
Can you harness that into a good NFL quarterback? I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I think I would push back a little on the
he's not a good scrambler. I think he can definitely
get himself into trouble, but he can also I think
he's you know, uh boom or bids.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Athletic enough to get himself out of trouble yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Right, But one other factor that we should just mention. Hey,
him and Garrett Wilson playing together again, college teammates now
NFL teammates.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
There you go. Maybe that fixes everything.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Probably it'll probably fix everything. I think let's move.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
On to a Super Bowl ticket at now? Would you bet?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I I am not this year going to put them
in the super Bowl Contenders tier list to start the year.
I think I'm not doing that again?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Are you sure? All right? Maybe next year?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I think so. We'll see how. We'll see how the
rest of the off season goes. I don't know, maybe,
but probably probably not. Maybe if they get Stefon Diggs.
I think that'll put them over the top.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, that's all they need. And you know, I just
said they wanted to fix the locker room. He want
Stefon Diggs.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah maybe not, Maybe not the best move. Another player
that apparently a team doesn't want. Laramie Tunsel traded by
the Houston Texans. The Texans have just they went into
the season saying, you know what our issue was last year.
Our offensive line is too good. We need to get
rid of some of these guys. This is our issue
getting rid of you know, granted Kenyan Green might be
additioned by subtraction, they also get rid of Laramie Tunsseel

(23:50):
though this was a trade that on paper, I'll say, like,
I don't think it's a horrible trade on paper, which
is maybe a hot take, like a second a third
round pick for an aging player who was still very good.
That's not that crazy. But I think the question is
why is Houston doing this? And why are you doing

(24:12):
this now? You have a quarterback on a rookie deal,
You've won playoff games both years he's been there. Why
are you getting rid of him when really your biggest
issue is offensive line?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
It is interesting because they spent a ton of money
last offseason, so they didn't have a lot of like maneuverability,
it felt like as far as cap space goes, so
they had to make some moves to kind of like
clear things out. But like this felt like the weirdest
one solution to it, right, Like we've seen so many
teams just restructured deals, create extensions to you know, extend

(24:44):
out those deals, lower the cap pits, all that sort
of stuff to you know, create cap space. And the
Texans decided to trade their best offensive lineman. Like it
it's it really was a bizarre situation I think overall,
because yeah, I mean, he's gonna be missed. This wasn't
a great offensive line last season. And yes, they traded
their worst offensive lineman alone with their best offensive lineman,

(25:05):
but their best offensive lineman was still very very good.
So definitely going to be a tough to overcome that
not a strong group necessarily from you know, from all
five of their starting positions last year. And I don't
know how he gets better without this guy. He is,
like you said, he's expensive, he's older, he's still very good.
I feel like the lesson from this weekend of the

(25:27):
off season. Is age is just becoming more and more
of a priority. It feels like for every NFL team,
like look at the guys at certain ages and free
agency felt like they got significantly higher amount money compared
to older players who are probably better at the same positions,
And it was just an interesting aspect for me.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, we have to stop acting surprise when guys with
thirty million dollars cap hits in are thirty years old
are getting traded for not as much value as as
like what makes sense, Like the value is just never
going to be what you in those situations. So it's like, honestly,
I get the trade. I don't think it's like horrible
value or anything like Like the DeAndre Hopkins thing was

(26:08):
like okay, let's move off of him, and then they
like seemingly took the best deal, like the first deal
they got right like this is this is I don't
think it's like there was a team wasn't gonna give
you a first for Larerman Hunsle. I don't think I
think this is what you were gonna get was a
second and a third. It's just it's just I want
I questioned the decision making of the team to do
this and then to again trade for CJ. Garna Johnson,

(26:31):
which I think that was a great trade. I think
they easily won that trade. But also like we're now
putting more resources into our defense and the offensive line,
and we saw Shroud not play as well last year,
and I think a big part of it was he
didn't have time to throw.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, I mean, it plays a huge part of it.
So I mean it's gonna be interesting because part of
the reason why you know, like I said, I like
the trade for the Raiders as far as you know Smith,
is it allows you to not necessarily drave the need.
And it feels like that now now the Texans have
to draft for need at their pick, but I think
they're like the twenty fifth pick or something, because they
don't have a left tackle that I feel comfortable with.

(27:07):
They have to get a guy at that position unless
they go for like a Cam Robinson or something like that.
Is that this is not a strong tackle. Free agency
class just wasn't and so now it feels like they
have to get a guy in the draft, and that's
probably what they're going to be doing with their twenty
fifth pick or looking for one at least, and that
makes it complicated because the teams around you know you're

(27:28):
looking for it, so they're going to be trading around
you to try and get that. You may have to
move up to get your guy, and it just creates
a whole lot of headache that I feel like they
could have avoided by keeping their guy in a certain
extent or figuring out a better solution for their left
tackle before this spot. But it'll be interesting to see
how the Texans adjust to this. But yeah, they definitely
have some holes on their offensive line they have to fill.

(27:50):
But yeah, it's just funny that it's like this was
not a great trade for me overall. Like you said,
they got decent value for his age and position and salary,
but it wasn't a great trade for me overall because
it makes you worse. And then like they made a
great trade with the CG. Garner Johnson one that felt
like a fleecing almost.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, I think I guess the one argument, probably if
you're a Texans fan, is well, okay, we got we
got worse at one position, but if we can spread
that money out and be better at like three other positions,
it's better to have an offensive line full of competent
players than one really good offensive lineman and then a
handful of bad ones.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
That is true, Yeah, I mean it. It's definitely you
don't want a weak link there, but you know they
need to have a strong link first.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Right, Yeah, So we'll see, We'll see what happens there.
Let's let's transition to the team that got Larmington. So
the balls, let's talk some balls here, Kyle, who have
been very busy. We knew that they were going to
be making moves this offseason, although they haven't exactly done
what we expected. They did go defense with paying Javon
kinlaugh fifteen million a year. That's a decision that they made.

(28:58):
They also decided to trade for or Deebo Samuel and
for Larry Hunssel, as we just talked about. I have
mixed feelings about this about this free agency period. On
one hand, they got better, and if we're using that
as the measuring stick of are you better today than
you were yesterday? Well, yes, they are better. I think
my question is how much better did they ultimately get

(29:23):
when they had so much resources to take steps like
I expected them this free agency period to take steps forward,
and I'm questioning how far forward they have actually got.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. Like their
offense in theory, if healthy, should be pretty nasty. Next season.
You get Jayden Daniels, who's obviously a stud. You bring
in Deebo Samuel to pair with Terry McLaurin. If Samuel
stays healthy, that is a big if. Laramie Tunzel if
he's healthy as well, is a very good offensive lineman.
That's all gonna help you there. This could be one

(29:54):
of the best offense in the league next year, honestly,
So that's a very exciting thing. But you know, you
mentioned like it's sometimes it's not a bad idea to
build on strength and just say, like, look, we weren't
gonna make a great defense overnight in free agency, so
let's just build on our strength and then plug in
the defense as we can and figure it out. And

(30:16):
Dan Quinn's a great defensive coach, so he's gonna try
and maximize that group kind of like he did last
year at times where they probably shot above their weight
played above their weight a few times more than we expected.
But yeah, it's just like you know, you released Jonathan
Allen to sign Javon Kinlaw, they bring back Bobby Wagner,
and they signed Will Harris, and that's basically their defensive moves.

(30:37):
It doesn't leave me a lot of optimism that this
defense is ever going to take a step forward, And
in fact, I would probably bet on it to regress overall,
because you know, I do think that times they played
better than they should have because it wasn't that great
of a defense statistically. So if they're able to if
they do regress defensively, they got to be pretty awesome
offensively now for this to work out.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, they're down to just thirty two million in cat space,
so they still can make some an effective cat space.
So they still can't make some moves to help out
this this roster if they want to. Obviously they're paying now.
You know, LARRYN Hunstal is getting twenty one million. You know,
the textans are still playing him a little bit, but
that's what he's getting. Deebo Samuel's getting seventeen million, and
then kin Loss getting for this year, his capit will

(31:22):
only be seven and a half million. But still, yeah,
I mean the that that's the question. Right As of
right now, they have one outside corner currently on under contract,
which is Marshall Lannimore. You have Mike Sanderstrol as well,
who is more of a slock guy, although he can
play outside at times. But as a whole, I mean,

(31:42):
this is a it's a question mark. They can improve there.
Like you said, you know kind of earlier, there is
an issue with going into the draft and leading a
certain position because teams know that and can trade around
you to get their players, and then you will often
have to trade up, and they don't have a ton
of draft fix now to trade up. So there's all
of that stuff going in. I will say, like somebody's moves,

(32:04):
I still like in a vacuum, like the deboscam will
move when I like in a vacuum that the uh,
you know, the Larry Huntstell move. I'm never gonna defend.
I'm never gonna criticize a team for protecting their young quarterback.
I get that, but I just I want to see
more for their defense right now.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, they need a lot of help. They're still and
I mean, you don't know what the negotiations were, Like
they could have been on all of these guys and
just lost out. They still have some cap space to
work with, so maybe they improve on the fringes. I
know there's not a lot of top end free agents
left on the market, so we'll see. But they could
still get better I think at the end of free agency,
and then we'll see what they do with the draft
and how they prioritize that. But it's definitely gonna be

(32:46):
tough to say that they one got better because, like
like I said, I think that there is a Chance's
defense regresses a little bit more and then it's just
like you have to be it's gonna be. It could
be like a Bengal situation. You know that Bengals offense
got a lot better last year. Committed two years ago
and it was still awesome two years ago. It was
awesome last year though, and the defense just took such

(33:07):
a huge step back. They missed the playoffs, and I
don't want that to be the Commanders.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Right who Yeah, I can agree. I mean, I guess
the flipside is if you're a Commander's fan, hey, look
at the playoff game. Sometimes the best best defense of
the good offense. If they can't stop us, we don't
need a few stops defensively.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, So it could still happen. I mean, like I said,
there's a long offseason still to go. There's still plenty
of intrigue that it's gonna happen. But uh, yeah, I
still think they need a few additions here to really
really convince me that they can challenge the NFC again
and potentially make it Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah. Well, we'll see what they do a few more
key moods. But let's go to our teams. Why don't we,
kayle Wt's start off with your team. Uh, the Patriots,
who we said going in we're going to be, you know,
big spenders in this free agency period. We weren't. It
wasn't a hot take. That was kind of what was expected,
as you know. Uh, when we did our predictions, we

(34:01):
both had many players going to the Patriots. You correct
the guests Milton Williams going to the Patriots, I correctly,
guest Carlton Davis going to the Patriots. Uh, you're also
you're up by one in that game, by the way,
I've been keeping track. But a few we got I
can consider still Amari Cooper, Stefon Diggs, Trevivius Ward, Rasuo, Douglas,

(34:23):
cam Robinson, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I think Ward signed did Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I've seen you might be right about that. Actually, there's
been some. There's also been some fake signings, like I
saw someone saying Joey bosex time, but that hasn't beneficially
out yet, so there's been some. It's always gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Here, that's fair, but sorry to realist here. We're talking Patriots. Yeah,
so they made a few big signings. Obviously, they they
got a few guys that they needed in the building,
and some of it was overpay you know. I was
reading a it of some people's reactions on it and listen,
and that Milton Williams one is definitely a big number.

(35:03):
I think the Carlton Davis one is definitely a big number.
But at the same time, I don't care because I
had been saying it for a number of weeks and
he honestly probably multiple years on this podcast. This team
just lacked blue chip talent, and that they just lacked
it from almost every position group on the team, you know,
and when you lack that much talent, sometimes over paying

(35:26):
for some guys doesn't really hurt. And this team had
more money than God and free agency. They had one
hundred and twenty seven million dollars in cap space to
work with. Going into free agency, they had so many
positions to fill, and so yeah, I'm not really going
to complain about them spending some money, even if it
is too much money at spots, because, like, I think
Milton Williams is a really good player, you know. I

(35:48):
think he's going to be terrific for them, and I
think it is a good signing in that regard. I
think Carlton Davis is a really good player. He's moving
into a number two corner spot against one of the best,
with one of the best man to man corners in
the league on his other side. I think that's gonna
be a really fun group overall. I like Splaine a
lot too. I think he's a good run stuffing linebacker.
I think came and Juwan Bentley, and I just look
at the spine of this team all of a sudden,

(36:09):
which was really struggling last year at times. They trade
Davon Gotscha, who just has been a disaster since he
got here. You're now looking at a healthy Christian Barber
next season. Milton Williams on the defensive line, you got
Splaine and a healthy Juwan Bentley on in the linebacker,
and you're looking at Jabro Pepper's back in the secondary
at safety with Kyle Dugger. All of a sudden, the
spine of this defense just looks really, really good. And

(36:31):
that's not even mentioning their best defensive player Christian Gonzalees
on the outside and Carlton Davis as your two man corners.
I really like that group overall. All of a sudden,
if they're still healthy, I think that Patriots defense could
be very good. And that was the biggest success of
this free agency class.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, can't help up. Mention you didn't can't help up.
Notice you didn't mention Harold Landry and that are how
do you? How do you feel about that one?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Didn't love that? Yeah? I mean he listen. I think
he's a very much an empty case salaries guy. We'll
see he has a high propensity to not get pressures
but get sack on those pressure So maybe that's just
something he's good at. I mean said, I don't think
he's a strong player, but I also like, like I said,

(37:14):
I think he's an empty calories guy. But I think
some I think Keon White's a guy who's probably a
little better than what his numbers say, so maybe that
cancels each other out. There's also still the Abdul Carter
factor as far as the draft goes. They could be
looking to add an edge guy at the top of
the draft with him. So I didn't love the signing.
I don't think he's a very good player. But at
the same time, they didn't pay a ton of money

(37:35):
for him, and you know he's someone who knows the
system too, So I guess there's that that's that's the
way you talk yourself into it.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, can can be can be a locker room guy
and also good, good run defender as well. I think
I'm I think I am somewhere somewhere in the middle
of Harold Landy. The analytics people hate Harold Landry. I
think the uh, you know, the casual fans like Titans fans.
When I said I wasn't crazy about Harold Langery a
few years ago, I couldn't believe what they were hearing.
It felt like. But yeah, I think I think he's okay.

(38:04):
I agree, it's probably not a great contract. I think
he's okay. Kyle. I think that this defense, this this
free agency period is almost exactly what I thought the
commander should have done of like just going after defensive pieces.
They're probably not all gonna have. Probably someone's gonna take
a step back or not be live up to the contract.
I don't know if Milton Williams is gonna be a

(38:25):
twenty six million a year player, right, but they're gonna
improve the defense. They're gonna be better, And you have
so much cap space. They still have the most cap
space available in the NFL after all these moves, that's
how much cap space the Patriots had. That being said,
they know to have a young quarterback they need to develop.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Right, Yeah, they still need some work done there, and
look like we'll see what happens with guys like Amari
Cooper and Stefon Diggs. I still think that could be
a factor at play here. In the rumor was they
were all in Chris Godwin, like they apparently offered Chris
Godwin thirty million dollars a year, was what Bill Barnwell reported,

(39:06):
and he decided to go back, stay home and stay
in Tampa. So I mean, if you're putting the effort
in like that and it doesn't work out, I mean
you just kind of shrug your shoulders. I mean he
turned out a thirty million dollar contract, so yeah, if
that is true, but so they tried that. Being said,
outside of like Godwin and obviously the Metcalf sweet six,

(39:26):
this hasn't been a like awesome This wasn't an awesome
receiver off season to begin with. So you know, they
go and get a guy like Mac Collins who helps
the death depth. I expect them to still try and
be in the market for a bunch of guys. They're
still like Cooper cup who could be a free agent soon,
or you know, just trade a seventh round pick from
there is still Stefon Diggs coming off the injury, that

(39:47):
could be an option. But yeah, they definitely, they definitely
have a few holes still on their team they have
to address, whether it's through the draft or through the
end of free agency speriod because they still have money
to spend. Because left guard, left tackle, and number one
receiver still feel like very big holes, and they kept
Austin Hooper. Yeah, the thing is, it's just one of

(40:07):
those teams where it's almost like Jimmy Butler getting traded
to the Warriors. For me, where it's like Jimmy Butler
all of a sudden shows up on the Warriors and
everybody else on the team makes a lot more sense
because they're trying to do too much probably and they're
better like the second options better third option, the third
option is the better fourth options sort of thing. Like
I actually, in theory, I like the idea of Matt Collins,

(40:29):
I like the idea of the Mario Douglas, and I
like the idea of Hunter Henry on this team. It's
just it's gonna make a lot more sense if there's
a number one guy there to help those guys out,
because none of those guys are all shooting about their
way right now.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, well guess let me sort of push back a
little bit on the notion of well, what are you
supposed to do? I mean, yes, the Goblin thing is like, Okay,
it didn't work out, and maybe they thought they were
getting God would and that's why it didn't make the
DK Metcalf trade. And maybe DK Metcalf didn't want to
go there too, right because he needed a contract as well.
You're not gonna trade him if he's going to sign
a long term deal. So there's a lot of stuff

(41:02):
we don't know. But there were like the Joe Thuni trade,
right like, there were options to still improve this offense
even if it wasn't like the Deebo Samuel move is
something they could have done, right Like, there were ways
to try to put more resources into this offense. Again,
I think that's not how verbel operates. I don't think
he's my logic. If I had a team and I

(41:23):
had a young quarterback, would be all I care about
is helping out the young quarterback, get him as good
of a situation as possible, and then like if he stinks, well,
then we'll get another quarterback and see if we can
get you know, use the situation for them. That's not
how verbel operates. Very bol is wanting to make this
team good. He's wanting to make help build a culture
he you know, find making them a defensive first team.

(41:45):
But the question you just have to have is listen.
I agree. I like the Mario Douglas in a certain role.
I like you know, MTC. Collins in a certain role.
I like Hunter Henry in a certain role. But when
those guys are having to go up against number one
and two corners, I don't like them anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Right, So it you know, I think the Patriots and
I think veryble, like you said, is taking this to
his future stops after that. I think they've always been
very particular sometimes. I mean they've taken their chances for
guys like Randy Moss, and they did it with Chado Chosenko,
Albert Haynes, whord stuff like that. It still feels like
more times than not they're very particular about who they

(42:22):
bring into the building and who they want around the team.
And yeah, I mean it seems like from the reporting
that I read, they prioritized Chris Godwin over DK Metcalf
because they didn't want to give up the draft capital
and then pay the five year contract. They preferred Chris
Godwin on a shorter term deal, even if it was
similar dollars, because they were, like I said, I think

(42:42):
DK's literally on thirty million dollars a year and they
were offering the same for Godwin. They wanted a shorter
term contract and they wanted to keep the draft pick,
and I guess that was their priority, was it? I
don't know if I guess there was no Plan B.
I mean, Plan B could still be happening. Like I said,
there are still veteran guys out there. You know, keenan
Au is another guy that's still kind of lurking around.

(43:02):
That could be an option. There are a few options
out there, it feels like for New England to go through.
And which is why we wait another week to do
our free agent grades because or our off season grade,
because there's still plenty of time for something to happen.
But the priority is something has to happen for New England.
So it'll be very interesting to see how they how
they approach that final step, those final steps.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, I agree. Man, they have the third overall pick.
We'll see if they do use that on offense as well.
So there's things to be done. Still, let's move on.
Do you have any more thoughts on the Patriots?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Uh? You know, I mean, I guess the one thing
like I did like the Morgan Moses contract a lot.
I like the number. I like the player, so that
one makes a ton of sense. Slots right in at
right tackle. I really like the right side of this
offensive line. It's just, you know, those last two positions
are gonna be key.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, I agree. Let's go to We talked about Chris
godwhen the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Uh, make it was funny
because like it's like right after legal tamp bring period starts,
It's immediately Hasan Reddicks signs of the Buccaneers, And I'm like, Okay,
that's fun, but are we losing Godwin? And then, like
in the video that I was making about Hassan Reddick,
Chris Goblin resigned, So I had a good first you know,

(44:12):
eleven minutes of the NFL legal tampering period. But yeah,
I mean Chris Gobwin resigning is the key one, as
he was so good last year and they should do
a similar scheme. I think he'll be good again this
next year. It was an ankle injury that you know,
usually guys can bounce back from something like that, and
I think this offense could potentially be great again last year.

(44:35):
And then the other move is the Hassan Redick move,
who like, listen, he was bad last year. There's no
getting around it. He was not a good player with
the Jets. But also he's had several years in a
row of being a very good edge rusher with the
you know, multiple years with the Eagles and a year
with the Cardinals as well, and he on paper fits
the Todd Bowles scheme perfectly. I'm fine with this signing.

(44:58):
I know some people are a little bit less happy
about it, but so far, I think, you know, I
like most of what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have have
done here.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I love it. Yeah, I think it's fantastic. Like you,
you prioritize bringing back your guys, which was the right
thing to do. You didn't have a ton of maneuverability,
but you solved your two biggest issues too, which was
punting in edge rush and yeah, you know you're passing. Yeah, uh,
your pass rush was not great last season, and I
mean it made it so much worse that everybody in

(45:29):
the secondary, which is a very good secondary when it's healthy,
got injured at times. But the pass rush also just
wasn't good enough, and we saw it in some of
their biggest games, and they needed to address the position.
And like you said, I mean, it's very much a
flyer position, flyer chance here with us. On Reddick, I
wouldn't be surprised if he bounces back, honestly, just because,
like you know, he didn't do training camp. Obviously, he

(45:52):
didn't practice a lot, and then all of a sudden
he's playing because he's not getting the contract he wants,
and now he's gonna be desperate to earn that contract again,
and so I wouldn't be surprised if it works out
for him. And I think it's a fantastic job by
them by filling out their roster, addressing their needs. And
it's another team where I think they use the off

(46:13):
season very smartly to prepare for a draft where they
can get best player available and kind of build the
depth of this team and it should be a very
very good team next season. And if they you know,
if Reddick kids, this team could could be for a
super Bowl. That's honestly the difference, it feels like for me,
if they stay healthy, of course, and.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
That's probably the bigger if than anything given to their
history the past couple of years. I also kind of
feel with this defensive line, it's sort of like what
you said at the Patriots of like if you just
add a one, does that like make everything look better?
Of now you have Vitavea and Elijah Kantski in the middle,
and you have yah Yadiyabi on the other side, and
it's like, all of a sudden, this feels, you know,
Chris Braswell and Anthony Nelson can be rotational guys, it

(46:52):
just feels way better.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, it definitely feels like it could figure
it out a lot more. And you know, Reddick at
as best as going to be a problem for offensive lines,
they're gonna have to prepare for him. And then we've
seen guys like Can't See and the Abbe have some
real flashes of potential.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, and I think with the Abbi being getting to
go up but I stilln't think he's number one, but
if he can go up against number two tackles that
that should help. And again Reddick with these blitzes that
Todd Bowles likes, like that's that's just a perfect match.
I mean, like with how fast he can be, like
that just works. If it'll if if he's still Eagles
to so on Reddick, that should work.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah. Yeah, No, I think it's a fantastic offseason. I
mean you have to be thrilled, right, I mean, this
is everything worked out the way you wanted it.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, I mean I think the one thing was like
I was kind of hoping for a Khalil Mack type thing,
but like, I can't be that much of a Biggers
can't be that much of a chooser, like, you know,
can't pick everything. But yeah, this is and again I'm
glad we didn't spend a first round pick to give
Miles Garrett forty million a year, even with how good
he is.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, would yeah, that would have been. That's a lot
of money. It's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, very good player. But yeah, we'll just talk about that,
why don't we. Miles Garrett says, it's not about the money,
and then say what about forty million a year? And
he says, Okay, it's a little about the money. Miles
Garrett decides to stay with the Cleveland Browns. Kyle, why
did the Browns do this?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I don't know, man, Like I guess at the end
of the day, Like it's easy for us to say
from our computer chairs, you know, to say, like, oh,
just restart everything and eat the Miles Garrett money and
trade them away and accumulate draft picks and start over.
But the fact of the matter is that this Cleveland
Browns franchise for how many years was a bottom feeder?

(48:36):
You know, how many years did they really struggle to
like keep the fans motivated? And there was already the
volatility of the Deshaun Watson trade and then the Deshaun
Watson trade not working out the way they wanted it.
And you know, Miles Garrett's probably the biggest name on
this team. He's probably the guy that most people have
jerseys of on this team at this point, all that

(48:59):
sort of thing, and then all of a sudden like
trading him. Yes, in the long in the the idea
of trading Miles Garrett probably makes you better for the
long term, accumulating draft picks and starting over. But how
do you keep the fans engaged for the next four
or five years if you're just gonna keep losing. And
that's probably what they looked at and said, we can't
trade Miles Garrett. Let's just pay him and then figure
everything else out for the future.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I get it, I do get it. But the flip
side is you could could have said the same thing
about that with Matthew Stafford and the Lions and look
at how that worked out.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah. No, I mean I completely agree. So yeah, I
mean it's a it's definitely a it's a conundrum for sure.
But at the same time, like a great quarterback is
not gonna you know, a great edge rusher is not
gonna do the same, Like they were the number one
Hick this past season and they're probably gonna do it
again or be in contention again. But yeah, I just

(49:51):
I don't know it it makes them, It makes them
a little bit better and a little bit more like competitive.
But at the same time, like, are you expecting the
Brownson now win six games next year because they have
Miles Garrett?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
No? But I just I just feel like by the
time they're finally good again, Garrett's gonna be in the
tilt of his career.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, It's just it is interesting. I mean,
I guess the question I have of the brun like
is Kenny Pickett playing quarterback for this team next year?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
And why did the Eagles the Eagles going after Dorian Thompson,
Robinson and Kenyan Green, Like what are they doing?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah? I think they just want to prove that they
can they can just revitalize anyone. I mean, what's their
offensive line coach names? They love him there, Jeff Stowlin.
If he if he could turn take Kenny and Green
into a like good offensive lineman, he should get a
head coaching job immediately.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, we could through a couple of minutes onto Eagles.
I mean that that feels like what it is, right,
this is.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
A bad Yeah, it feels that way. I mean Jordian
times Robinson stinks. I don't care, like he is the
third quarterback on this team. I think they had the
luxury of Tanner McKee look pretty good, and I like
Tanner McKey is a backup, so they probably just like
we have Tannon mc kee, let's trade a guy and
then just kind of go from there. So they traded
Kenny Pickett and I don't hate the idea of it,

(51:10):
and they needed a third quarterback, I guess, so they
get a third quarterback. But yeah, he's not good either way.
If Jalen hurts. If Jalen Hurts is injured, it's a
disastrous season no matter what. And if Dorian Thomas Robinson
does have to play football, the Eagle season is over,
just like if Kenny Pickett had to play football, the
Eagle season might be over. But yeah, so I think
that was the situation there. The Gardner Johnson trade for

(51:33):
Kenyan Green is definitely an interesting one because it feels
like their hope is that Kenyan Green's going to replace
Mkai Beckton, which is a choice. And then another factor
of it too is like, as great as this team
is at developing talent, drafting talent, identifying talent, you won
the Super Bowl with a fantastic defense and you lost
four very good starters from last season's Super Bowl team.

(51:57):
That is a huge, huge risk to try and figure out.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, and honestly, it reminds you a lot of two
years ago when they went to the Super Bowl loss
and then they lost a bunch of defensive players there
as well. And Hey, the good news is you know
you can rebuild it, but the bad news is you
don't know how quickly you can rebuild it. I would
advise against maybe don't go with Matt Patricia again.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, I would definitely advise against that. You know, they're
gonna be betting a lot. It feels like on their
depth and the way they've developed talent, Like obviously Ajomo
is probably gonna take on a bigger role. They're gonna
hope that whatever happened with Bryce health last season doesn't
happen again and him and Nolan Smith can replace Josh Sweat.

(52:39):
Nolan Smith was obviously good last season. Bryce Huff was
not good, but they were able to overcome that, and
then it's probably gonna be what Tristan McCollum and Keey
Ringo in the secondary. So those are the big risks too,
Like we haven't really seen those guys turn into studs
in the secondary, so it's gonna be a big risk
and they got a lot to figure out still.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yeah, do have a coordinator day like they do have
some draft capital of course as well that they can
make happen. But yeah, I agree, it's it's I feel
worse about the Eagles today than I did, you know,
two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's hard not to with all
that movement. I mean we knew they were gonna lose
some guys, but you know, they lost a lot more
than we expected. I think even too. Oh did Darius
slagh get released too? Is that the other one I saw? Yeah? Wow?

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, well yeah, I thought that was the four because
that was what ham Melton, Williams, Josh Sweat and then
c J. Garn to Johnson and then they also lost
Oron Burks, but he was a backup and then became
the starter in the Super Bowl, So that was kind
of a weird one.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, I think I was factoring in Burks in never mind.
But yeah, I mean that's a that's.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
A big well you were crect just in a weird way.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, that's big questions going forward for sure. So I'm
still not like gonna write off the Eagles or anything
like that, but you know, definitely some questions.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, uh, what do you think about the Devonte Adams
to the Rams move really good?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Obviously they got to figure out this Cooper Cup thing,
but yeah, I mean that's a pretty good receiver duo.
You know, they bring back Aleric Jackson too, two out
well too, who I thought was really good in times
last year when Cup was hurt and when Nikool was hurt.
So they have a really dynamic team. Again, I think
the Rams are probably my pick to win the NFC West.
They might be my second best team in the NFC
right now. We'll see maybe third best a team in

(54:22):
the NFC. We'll see. But yeah, I think that they
have a really dynamic team and I expect them to
be a lot better.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, and we talked about them actually having cap space
for the first time in forever, right, which is you know,
an unusual thing. The question you have, I think is
like Okay, what are we getting out of DeVante? Out
of Devanta Adams. He is thirty two at this point
and it's still an effective player. I wouldn't say he's
like in his prime what he was for you know,
when he was like the best receiver in football, but yeah,

(54:51):
he's still a really effective player and it seems like
a matchmate in heaven for this offense.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Absolutely. Yeah, I think he's gonna make a lot of
sense in this offense. Yeah. I mean, is he as
effective as he was his peak? Probably not, But I
think he's gonna be effective in this offense. You know,
this is gonna be better coordinator play than he's had
in some time to uh since back in Green Bay.
And you know, it's a it's a two year window.
It feels like now with him and Stafford, right, they're
gonna go for it these next two years and then

(55:18):
figure out the future. And I don't hate it at all.
I think that they could be that they should be
the front runners in the NFC West the next two years.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Yeah, I agree. I think I mean ford Hours will see.
I mean ford As have had a lot of talent
this off season as well. Uh still would have wouldn't
have minded to see them help out the secondary a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, still got some time. I think the secondary market
was booming like those those guys got paid, except for
I will say the two guys who have to fire
their agents are dj Reid and Javon Holland.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, yeah, what happened there? Chrayvon Morrig got more than
than Javon Holland.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
It was bizarre. I don't know how that happened.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
And Josh there's a couple of weird ones where like
early on everyone was getting paid like Javon Killough fifteen million,
like Chevon morhgg fifty million. It's like, okay, everyone's getting
fifteen million, and then Javon kim Law and then uh,
Javon Holland gets fifteen million, and then Josh Watt gets
like eighteen million. It's like, what happened? I thought you're
gonna get like ridiculous amounts of money.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yeah, definitely a bizarre one there, I mean the halland one.
I mean I guess it makes their stafford buzz a
little more like sense because now they add him, and
they added uh Paul Sendebo, who I think is a
good corner too, like they fixed that part of their
defense and maybe, you know, not all of it. That's

(56:37):
still not an awesome secondary, it's a little bit better.
So maybe they viewed that and like bringing in Stafford
could really help change his team. Maybe they still add
a quarterback here in the next few weeks. But uh, yeah,
I mean, I guess there is some logic now to
what the Giants were thinking at that time, and they
addressed it in free agency. They got better, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah, I had two teams left. I want to talk
about first Bears, who we don't spend forever on them,
but just you know, going after the trenches, specifically with
their offensive line. They felt good about their tackles being
darneld Wright and Braxton Jones. They traded for Joe Dooney,
former Patriot. They also added Drew Dolman, and they traded
for Jonah Jackson, So getting three on paper, very good

(57:18):
offensive lineman. Well to see how they all played together.
But clearly, I mean the the Ben Johnson thing, he
wants to help out the offensive line. That was an
issue that they needed to improve upon last year, and
they have improved upon it.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, they definitely went big on the trenches. They also
added two defensive lineman and Grady Jarrett and Dale Adiegbo.
So yeah, they spent a lot of money there. They
spent a lot of capital there, but they definitely got
better at that group. That is a upper tier you know,
that's an elite level interior offensive line, and they had
two pretty good tackles to be in with. So I

(57:52):
definitely don't hate that group. You know, they maybe spent
a little more than they expected on a guy like
Grady Jarrett, but maybe they viewed it as like that's
a luxury position at this point. Let's just go get
the guy we want, and uh yeah, the trenches for
the Bears should be significantly better. I like what they
did this offseason.

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Speaker 1 (58:48):
Okay, fair enough, you might you might have a point there. Yeah. Again,
not not too much to talk about for the Bears,
but figure we should mention it. The last team I
want to talk about is the Kansas City Chiefs, who
have had a busy offseason. As obviously, the Joe Thuney
move was kind of a shock that I was very
surprised by it. But they did address the tackle position,

(59:09):
which we figured they would at some point. They you know,
seemingly are gonna put Sumtea in at guards. So we'll
see how we'll see how it all works. Jalen Moore
is the tackle they added who has never had a
season where he's had enough snaps to qualify for PFF rankings,
but he has graded well as a backup for a

(59:29):
couple of years. Again, they're really they're taking a risk
here for a player who's played well as a backup,
but it's just a backup, and you know, for the Chiefs.
They also they re signed Hollywood Brown. They also added
Christian Fulton, so they've added some pieces here. Uh, it's
it's a very interesting off season. What do you think

(59:50):
of it?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, as long as their receiver room isn't suspended, it's
gonna be absolutely nasty. I really like that, and I
understand the logic to that. But yeah, I mean there's
no doubt that they got worse than the offensive line,
and they're betting on young talent and that they can
develop young talent, and I mean, we just haven't seen
them do that over the last you know, two seasons

(01:00:14):
with those guys at the left tackle position. So we
will see. But like you said, it is a huge,
huge risk to bet on Sumata and Jalen Moore, but
who knows it will work out. They got Jalen Moore
at a pretty good number, I thought, and I thought
they they managed to, you know, bringing back Nick Bolton
I think was a priority for them. They get Christian
Fulton is another corner. They bring back Marquise Brown, so

(01:00:38):
they have some nice pieces there. I still think they're
gonna be okay. I still think overall, they probably took
a small step back as far as the offensive line goes,
and I just need to see that workout before I
can actually be convinced, because I'm not convinced it's gonna
work out right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Yeah, that is the concern they they've kind of lost
the benefit of the doubt these past couple of years
with the offensive line stuff. Kyle, I have news involving
a former Kansas City chief player that I just broke.
DeAndre Hopkins signs a one year, five million dollar deal
with the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
All right, that's cool. Yeah, I mean, he wasn't very
productive last season. I think he's a little bit past,
but you know, five million dollars, it's pretty good, pretty
good chance there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah, it feels like you're getting at least at the
very least he was a role player for the Chiefs.
He feels like you could get that. But yeah, we'll
see what the Chiefs do. I don't have any other
major things I want to talk about. Was there anything
you want to mention?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I could do a couple of quick hitters.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I liked what the Colts did a lot, you know,
I thought they really got some good players in the secondary.
Daniel Jones is a good backup, and you know, he's
one of those guys where like I don't love Daniel
Jones obviously, but like he could come in and play
and it's probably not much worse than Anthony Richardson, and
maybe like that combination could keep him in playoff contention.
So I like that one. I have no idea what

(01:01:57):
the Jaguars are doing. It just seems like they're handing
money to like anybody, So yeah, we'll see. I'm not
overly optimistic with that strategy. And I really like what
the Broncos did. That's another one I really like because
bringing in those two San Francisco guys who Fongo was
hurt a lot last season, He's proven to be a
very good player when he's healthy, and Drake green Law

(01:02:19):
is obviously a very good linebacker. That defense is gonna
be insane. Like would you bet on that being the
best defense in football next year?

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Yeah, pretty pretty awesome. I would have liked to bring
in one more receiver overall from them, but you know,
Sean Payton develops receivers, so maybe he's just not worried
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I think he just doesn't care. I think he's like, yeah,
receivers whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
I mean, he's done so well with him throughout his career.
I mean, like it's hard not to bet on it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Yeah, yeah, can't. He has the benefit of the doubt.
On the other team I thought of when you were talking,
was not crazy about the Carolina Panthers offseason so far.
Feels like they've They've thrown a lot of money at
guys who uh I think again, I think will help,
but I don't know if they're moving the needle enough
for the money that they spent with guys like Trevor Morhigg,
who again I think it's a fine player, Trey Seawn Warton,

(01:03:06):
who I think is a fine player, but it kind
of paid those guys top of the market money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it is a lot of names,
but like I mean, Derrick Brown's gonna be what they're
hoping helps their defense a lot and then you know,
we'll figure it out from there. But yeah, I mean,
I don't I'm not anticipating being an awesome defense overall,
but it just felt like, you know, they're the ones
that it was rumored that they got Milton Williams and
then the Patriots came over the top with a big offer,

(01:03:33):
and you know, I think they missed out on a
few of those top name guys for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah, people love the what is what is the obsession
that some reporters have with just tweeting out like oh,
I'm hearing this player sign of this team and like
they're obviously lying, like they obviously just are just making something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah, well, I think Schefter tweeted it like he actually
said that it was done or like close to done.
And then yeah, I don't remember who it was exactly,
that's it's Williams to the Panther, but it seemed like
a dumb deal based on who reported it. But then yeah,
the Patriots came in, So yeah, there is a lot
of those rumor guys in those you know, those those

(01:04:10):
trolls out there, so it makes it difficult to tell
exactly what's going on. Didn't love the Cowboys in activity either,
I gotta say, you know, that's the team that felt
like it had some obvious holes to fill in. Another
one that kind of felt like it missed out on everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Yeah, Michael three two nine saying I know you're scared
of my Panthers, Jackson very afraid. Yes, it was scared
to pick them again. Yes, I believe in you guys
once and you ruined it. Michael, I can't can't pick
them again.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Uh, poor Panthers, They'll be okay. But yeah, we'll we'll
do more of a deep dive on every team. So
if you didn't hear your name mentioned this one, don't worry.
Uh you will be mentioned soon. Uh. We just you know,
doing the biggest news here this week.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah, I think what we uh the Yeah, what we'll
do next week on Wednesday, Let's let's split it up
by conference, just because that we have more time to
get into each team. We'll go, Uh, we'll figure out
whatever conference has more to talk about, we'll do that
next week, and then we'll do the other conference the
week after. So uh you know, next week we will
go conference by conference talking getting into the details about

(01:05:16):
every move that each of the teams made, and we'll
give our we'll give our grades for them as well.
So yeah, uh oh, yeah, we have to talk about
this Kyle before we head out. Uh. Does Kyle have
any thoughts on the brad marshand trade.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
No? I hate the sport. It's over, so who cares?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
That's like the worst thing like, at least Kyle, both
of our hockey teams captains have left this uh this
season at least, Like for me, it was like, Okay,
we're getting this other good player for you. It's just
we're getting a second round pick that could become a
first round pick from the Panthers. Who have ever been
picking the eye? What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah, don't love it. Didn't love it, But I mean
they dominated the Lightning right after the trade deadline, so
maybe it turns the season around.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Fingers crawled, possibly, but yeah, that was that was the worst.
That was the most hung for Lightning team. I think
we've of all time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I mean, if you're giving coals from like center ice,
it's probably not working out for you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
They just had automate. It was a three o'clock game,
but Janny Gordon has just gotten there. I'm like, yeah,
this team is this team is There's no way they
did not Uh they were were out into morning tonight
the night before.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yeah yeah he uh, I fully expect Marshall to score
the Oh no, he's not playing today, so uh yeah
it's a uh you know, they definitely needed to blow
it up. I just hated that Marshaan got traded to
that team of ball team. I hate those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah, it's just you can't you can't do that. You
can't trade the captain of your team to a division
rival that knocked you out of the playoffs in two years,
like you just if you can't get draft picked, don't
get the draffick.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah what a bummer. Oh well, whatever, hockey's dumb. We're
moving on. It's baseball season. Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Who are you rooting for Indiana? Is it just anyone
who's not in the division of the Lightning Leafs and Panthers?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Oh to win like the Cup? Yeah, you know that
Dallas team's pretty fun. You know, they got a ton
of attacking talent. That's a good team. I think the
the idea of seeing McDavid win would be cool too,
just because you know, McDavid win all of a sudden
makes like, you know, the best of all time conversations

(01:07:24):
a little more interesting if you can win some Cups
and all that sort of thing, and probably starts them
on his path for that, especially after scoring the game
winner in that Four Nations game. So yeah, I think
it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Yeah, well we'll see Sorry, sorry for talking about hockey, Kyle,
We we don't have to talk about anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Yeah, no worries. It's all good, you know, it is
what it is. Tough season for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yeah. Well yeah, Kyle, lemone can find us on Twitter
before we head out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
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Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
What is this random guy in the uh chat just
saying Kyle is the beta?

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
The guy sitting sitting at home by himself is chatting
to me on my video, our video, saying that I'm
the beta. God.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Hey, you know, you don't know they might not beat
up by themselves made out of a party, you think so?
I think. I think we play in a lot of parties.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not overly optimistic for that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Okay, yeah, okay, Uh. As always, we have our I
will upload these podcasts in audio only form anywhere you
get your podcast. If you want to listen to us,
you can search that there. But yeah, Kyle, any foul thoughts,
You're ready to get out of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Here uh PSG went on penalties. I was right. Let's
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Good stuff, yes, of course. Uh. Thank you to everybody
uh for watching or listening. We do appreciate it. And
until next time, which will be Wednesday, six pm Eastern,
have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Peace,