Replay: The Canadian Arrival — Bianca, Shapo & FAA

Canadian tennis is in good hands thanks to a trio of young stars. One has already won a grand slam, but this week we’re taking a look back at the moment when Bianca Andreescu, Felix Auger Aliassime, and Denis Shapovalov announced their arrival on the tennis scene.

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Episode Transcript

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Hey, it's Simon here, Devand I will be back very shortly,
but in the meantime, we wantedto take a walk back down memory lane
and revisit a time when Canadian tenniswas booming. It's hard to believe that
just a few short years ago wesaw three Canadians ascent to the top of
the sport and even had a GrandSlam champion. Fast forward a few years

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and it looks kind of different.Still, it's enjoyable to listen to the
joy and giddiness that we presented thoseearly summer days back in twenty twenty.
Surely all of the Canadian youngsters aretoo good to continue their dip in twenty
twenty four. Surely anyway, enjoyand we'll talk very soon. Hello and

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welcome to the Open Air Podcast.My name is Devang Desaia, joined as
always by mister Simon Bushell bush Ser. The racket came, I went on
on the court and used it.Ask me anything, are you now as
good as Rogia Federer? Close?Definitely closer? No, But I will
say, like I a new racketis one thing, but the rackets I

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was using previously, esp mostly whatmy sister had left over because she plays
much more frequently than I do currentlyat least, but I finally got a
newer update on mine and the poweris easier. I just have to get
everything else up about my game upto that standard. So should be a
good three to four years before I'minto the round of sixteen at big tournaments.

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It's coming. It's probably inevitable atthis point, right, we know
it's going to happen. It's justa matter of if not. When typical
normal elite athlete track is when they'rethirty two years old, then they start
competing professionally. Right, That soundsnormal, That's how I understand it.
Yeah, I've heard many stories aboutso we await with bated breadth for it

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to happen this time, rather thanlament time passing a spy and death coming
for us. All I thought thisweek we should look at better times in
the more recent past, and Bushthis was your idea and was a great
one because it's a look back atthe first you could say, signature win

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for Bianca andrescue Felix Sage Aliasim andDennishapavlov, the triumvirate who make up the
Big three of Canadian tennis and Bush. There are different matches that happened in
different years, of course, andthis doesn't all line up, but it's
interesting to look at all the matchesthat we highlight today, that we're going
to go through all three players oreighteen when it happened. I think this

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would be really fun to look backat it. Right. We've touched on
a bunch of matches over the lastfew weeks which are barely ancient history in
the tennis world at this point,but these are just from twenty nineteen and
twenty eighteen, and seeing Bianca Andrasco, Dennis Shapovalev and Felix soale I seem
in action, it reminds you ofwhen we actually did watch tennis, and
I believe we watched all of thesenear live, or at least I've certainly

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seen all of these matches very closeto when they occurred. So it does
feel a bit strange ASIE to revisitvery recent history. But going back and
watching these three you are reminded ofwhat is in store when they actually get
back out in the tennis court.Well Sir, with Theianka and the most
recent one, and we'll head toIndian wells Her breakout tournament and the final

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there was she beat Angie Kerber inthree sets that tournament. In general,
Bush she talked about a coming outparty. So many first accomplished by Bianca.
Definitely, yeah, And I thinkwe were fairly early on the scene
with this last year when we didtwo years ago, sorry, when we
did a profile on her very earlyin the year after her exploits in New

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Zealand and down in Auckland and hervery star studded victory road all the way
to the final of that tournament.I think we didn't quite expect it to
happen so quickly, and to happenin such a way at a premier tournament
as well. It was extraordinary towatch, just given the names that she
beat, just given how she didit as well. And this final is

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kind of a microcosm of her veryshort career in general, just is punishing
the highs and sort of bizarre offthe boil lows for a few points and
then it comes back very quickly.This Indian Well's tournament on the women's side
was described as one of the deepestwomen's tournaments ever and perhaps the strongest field
ever in terms of who is involved. And literally everyone was here, and

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the fact that Bianca was a wildcard, the fact that she was eighteen years
eighteen years old, sorry, andlike you mentioned, the people she beat
along the way to just to getinto the quarterfinals, where it got even
more impressive. She bageled Gavrin Mugasuraon the way to a straight set demolition
in the quarterfinals, and then sheslugged it out with Elena's to the Lena

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the semi final, which was anprobably the biggest test of her career in
terms of fitness at that point,right bush Like it's early days in Bilaga's
career still, but back then intwenty nineteen, you wanted to see how
far she could push herself, andshe seemed like she pushed herself to the
limit or where the limit was againstFidelina, and that was impressive alone.

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But then you see her come backagain and it's almost like she's going against
two of the fitter more you haveto beat them type players on the tour,
and what a way to prove yourselfBecause I think the question was,
Okay, she strung together a coupleof good matches and she's obviously started the
year extremely well, but what canyou do against part of the cliche,

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but grizzled vets on the tour whowon't beat themselves easily? And the answer
was pretty clear. And I dowonder whether or not the exploits that she
had in twenty nineteen, just giventhe matches that she played, and you
would say in some ways she heldtogether fairly well at the latter stages of
tournaments. But sure she didn't insome way like we are seeing the results

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of perhaps too much tennis. Andit's easy for us to sit here and
say this, of course, butwhen you're that young and you haven't played
a lot on the tour, itcan happen. Your body can't break down.
And she is puffing a little biton during this final. You can
see it's a warm day, andwe have the famous scene of course with
her and her coach. Later onwe'll come into but it is interesting watching

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her. I think she actually heldus together pretty remarkably, and that is
not the same thing that we cansay for the rest of her very short
career. At this point, shespent more time off the court than she
has on it at the moment.It's true, and I mean, if
you were going to make big timejudgments in twenty eighteen and Indian Well's happened.
You wouldn't maybe guess that this isgoing to happen or this is going

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to play Bianca later on. ButI think those kind of proclamations might have
been a bit too far fetched,and just in the moment that we found
ourselves in when this final took place, Kerber was fantastic. Think this is
Angi Kurber. I think at herbest in terms of sheer movement on the
court ground, she can cover consistency. This is why this lady is one

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Grand slams. This is why she'sbeaten Serena Williams on the biggest stages,
and Bianca was right with her inthe first set. The first set,
I thought Beyonca had maybe visions ofclosing this out and too because it was
tight. But I think overall thisis the same player that really shocked everyone
on her way to the final.This eighteen year old was by far and

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away the better player through one set, definitely, and I think that's testament
to how she started in this matchas well. And I think it really
took a lot of players by surprise, not least I think it took both
Switzerlina and Koba by surprise, justthe amount of power and the variety in
and Rescue's game. She really doeshit the poole very hard, and it's
one of those underrated things we alwaystook about, you know, the brain,

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the fullhand of the back end andeverything. Just she moves very well
considering the amount of power that shedoes have on the baseline and through the
first you would say the half thefirst set cob but didn't really get near
her in some way. She's blastingthe ball past her. And I think
it took Cover a little bit oftime to get into this match and sort
of work out the situations within pointsthat she can actually hurt Andresca. Of

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course, the fourhand on the linewas going to be it was going to
be part of this match. It'sa part of every single anti Kerber match,
and I think it hurts Andresca quitea bit. In the second set,
that hurts her. I think Bianca'sfitness hurts her a bit. It's
a bit up and down, andKerber is getting stronger as the match goes
on. The Interactions with Rainier Shuoler, Kerber's coach at the time, I
found it extremely interesting. I nottotally shocked that relationship didn't last super long.

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In the risky of things, I'veleaeved they're no longer together. Is
that correct? I believe that iscorrect, And there is a little bit
of I mean, there's no loveloss between these two as you would see
in Miami and the infamous drama queenstuff at the end of the match,
but there is a few occasions inthis match as well. I think Kerber
is a little bit annoyed by theantics of a rescue on court, and

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there's probably that couple with the factthat she's maybe not having the best relationship
with a coach at the time,it makes her a little bit frickly,
should we say? Yeah, thisthis relationship ended in July, so a
couple of weeks after this went down, because there was some un coach conferencing
on this during this match that mademe feel uncomfortable. And I was watching
this some one year later, wayin the in the future. But that

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relationship was interesting. But I thoughtthat one of the many revelations you've had
about Bianca and Rescued. Outside ofthe prodigious tennis talent and the charisma and
that star power, that everything thatyou wanted to and someone to sell the
game and someone to represent Canada washer relationship with Silvan Bruno, her coach,
And you're talking about how well positiverelationships with your coach can help fuel

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you on the court and maybe negativeones can hold you back. I thought
you could see really well into howwell this this tandem worked together and that
Sylvan Bruno knew exactly what to reallysay it. Bianca had really important moments
because she loses the second set,Kerber is only getting stronger. Kuber has
definitely been in this situation before,and she's beaten some impressive players herself to

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get to this moment, and Bianca'sreally feeling it physically now. Bush,
as you alluded to, we getto that conference between Burial and Dresscue in
the third set where it seems toturn things around. Definitely. I think
there is an element to this aswell that she is young and there is
a little bit of petulance pardon thecliche news for a young player of any

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capacity in any spot, but shedoes kind of lose a little bit a
little bit of it mentally in thatsecond set. I also think there's an
element to this that she's such astrong headed sort of player, that she
has such burning desire to win,and I think she has very high effectations,
and just given the run that shewas on as well and the amount
of players that she's beaten, shehad to be thinking going into this match

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that she could be anyone in theworld, but anyone in front of her.
And when your level dips very slightly, it is tough to get it
back, which I think makes thethird set even more remarkable. Really,
to have such a strong voice inthe year to know exactly how to push
her and get the best out ofher in that final set is a remarkable
piece of coaching, And oftentimes weundersell the value of the coach, right.

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A lot of these players. Theyknow technically how to hit a tennis
ball, they know how to doa lot of things. It's the mental
side of it. It's trying topush them in a certain direction, just
trying to get that extra few percentagepoints out of them, trying to get
them to reset and focus. AndI think he does a remarkable job.
And I think oftentimes when you askwhat a tennis coach does, you can
just show them this clip and showthem what he says, and it's very
close to what you actually want froma professional tennis coach. It's a very

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interesting point because I've always wondered whatexactly a coach can do for a player
that's top five in the world and, like you said, can hit every
shot and can do things on automatic, you know, thinking, and got
a great view into what it couldmean to have someone like that, some
impactful coach that does is have yourtrust and someone that you can lean on.

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Because at this point in the thirdset, Beyonca's feet she says,
my feet are burning during this changeover, She's gased. She's been on court
forever in Indian Wells and it ishot as hell, it's in the desert.
The conditions are not helping her.Kerbers super fit. Beyonca's saying,
this is Sylvan and she's getting toeverything. Kerber is getting to everything,
and Bruno's basically repeating platitudes and thingsthat you could consider cliches, the things

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we abhorror, but in this instanceit's helping and it's working. And Beyonda
is eighteen man like, what doesshe know? What does she know about
the situation? Maybe she does needto lean on someone and she lean on
the right person because from two threedown Bush, I don't think I've enjoyed
a twenty five to thirty minute stretchof tennis boar than what we saw there,

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because that was Beyonca entering the scene, jumping onto the scene, and
grabbing the spotlight with just sensational tennis. There must be a moment when you're
a professional athlete and you've reached reallythe peak of the flow of state.
I know it's almost become a clicheto talk about this now, but it's
it's kind of true, right whenyou just get into that zone and you

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know what you're capable of doing.I feel like this is probably what happened
for Andresca through the first part oftwenty nineteen, which is just a realization
of what she could actually do whenshe went for it, like what kind
of shots she could make, whereon the court she could hit them from.
And I think that kind of camefull circle during the final part of
this set, which is just Ican hit these shots. This person's not

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going to get them, so I'mjust going to leave everything out here.
I'm already gassed, so whatever,let's the shot on these points. But
I know I can hit these shots, and she does and it's pretty spectacular.
You're seeing the variety bianc is usingthe drop shot a lot, the
drop shot plus lob combination against someonelike Kerber that you have to be very
precise when you're trying to pull itoff because Angie will make you pay for

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your mistake. So Bianca was fantastic, and even as she got ahead,
and even as look like she wasgoing to do what she was going to
become the first wild card winner sinceSerena back in ninety nine, there is
one more pushback from Kerber. Ithought the game where Bianca was serving for
the match at five to three wasabsolutely ridiculous. She had Bianca battling cramp,

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slash, nerves, slash, theenormity of what she's about to achieve,
and she's battling Angie Kerber, whocomes up with the absolute good She
saves three championship points. Bianca's justnailing fourhands to no avail. But you're
worried. You're worried at this pointbecause Angie Kerb has just broken back.

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This could go a long How muchgas does Bianca have left in the tank
and yet she breaks her way backto win Indian Wells in twenty nineteen.
It was a pretty incredible moment.It's a full championship point, astounding Andre

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Escue one of the nightless I wantto see performances at a tournament from an
eighteen year old you will ever see. And Bianca Andrew Rescue is the BMP
Harry Back Champion, the fourth everyoungest winner, the first ever wild cud

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winner, and what's a way todo it and arguably the best ever Indian
World tournament we have ever seen.There's the correction, first wild card winner,
second eighteen year old to win theevent. After serena thank you,

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mister commentator, Sir Bush, changethe game, changed the game in Canada.
I'll tell you that Bianca winning anyIndian Wells was definitely at the moment
where I think alarm bells in thepositive sense went off around the country like,
all right, this this person couldpasses. We do some massive things.

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Well, we we had high expectationsthrough the first half of the year,
didn't we. I think we wereeven surprised by what happened here.
Just we saw in the game whenshe was down under in Auckland and just
all the things that she was ableto put together during that run and subsequently
as well, like the tournaments afterwards, she still managed to put very strong
wins together. And it was itwas the it was the style, and
it's the way that she played,and everything that we thought she was going

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to be she put together during thisweek and it was pretty astonishing. Really.
I still admit I never thought thisis This is being said from a
person who predicted that she would winthe US Open, but I still didn't.
I still didn't quite believe that itwas it was going to be her
time. I thought she still needanother year on tour before she was going
to be a Grand Slam winner.But you don't win a tournament of this

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stature, beating the players that thatshe did, and not compete at Grand
Slam level. So it's just impossiblepretty much. And and what she used
to beat Kerber that that variety,as she was hitting those moon balls very
late against Angie and then mixing itup with absolute blistering fourheads, and very
similar to what we saw in NewYork at the US Open, where of
course she beat Serena to make Canadiantennis history and win the Grand Slam.

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That's Bianca and Drescu's breakthrough moment.I mean, it's arguable we could have
gone to Auckland, we could havemaybe picked something else, But I think
this entire tournament and the final,especially against Angie Kerber, signaled her intent
and her readiness to really be aforce on the women's tour. We hope
her recovery goes well and she canmake her return later on in twenty twenty,

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whenever tennis return. So when wecome back after the break, we
go to Montreal. It's Dennis Shapavalovversus Raff and Nadal from twenty seventeen.

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Welcome back to the Open Air Podcast, our second installment on this arrival,
look back the breakthrough moments for thebig three of Canadian tennis right now.
Dennis Shapovalov in twenty seventeen was aneighteen year old kid bush I mean high
hopes. People knew he had avery flashy, good game, a good

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junior player, but in twenty seventeen, far too early to start expecting big
wins against the top players, Right, Yeah, you would say so.
Right, that's the expectation, certainlygoing into this match, just given where
he's at. Certainly given his ranking, certainly given the player that he's playing
against. But there is a littlebit of expectation behind him here, just

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given some of the wins that hehas had, and just given how big
his game is, there is anexpectation that he can really play against the
best players He's He's an unproven quantitycertainly at this point. I'm going to
say, though, it's luck andthe way it works out with Toronto Montreal
alternating who hosts the ATP and WTAevents. I feel like Toronto has had

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the better DEBTA events, but Montrealhas lucked out with the men's side in
terms of impact matches. But thatis solely anecdotal and I do not have
statistical data to back that up.But I feel like every great women's matches
happened in Toronto, and every goodmen's match at the Rogers Cup has happened
in Montreal. But this is definitelya tick in the Montreal call him because

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I think obviously Raff and the Doll'splaying and then the traveling carnival that arrives
when the Big three play anywhere isit's a marvel. And I think it's
an underrated aspect of how much ofan influence these guys have on the game,
because if novacticides to show up inGauztat, that tournament is overrun randomly
because he just decided to be there. But Raf is a big draw.

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But then you have Shappo of course, the Gatian kid in Montreal, and
then yes, the third factor,the Montreal crowd made it truly special.
And you're right Bush he beat Delpo, Shappo will beat Delpo in this same
tournament. It wasn't a complete theimpossible, but still you're not liking his
chances. And in the beginning ofthe match you're just seeing Rafa kind of
wrestle with him. But even thoughit's tight, you're pretty certain that Rafa

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will probably be comfortable, and hewas in the first set. Well,
it's it's one of those things thatit's Rafa is a terrible matchup for Chapau
in so many ways, right,the ultimate every point counts sort of grinder
and string it out and just amazingdefensive ability. Chappa much more streaky and
very likely to throw in as muchjunk as he is like superhuman tennis.

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The first that kind of goes exactlyas you'd expect it to right, Chappa
plays some pretty nuts soo tennis insome capacity, but Raffa just kind of
grinds him out, and it's itis sort of a it's them in a
nutshell, both of them really.But we've talked at length about Rafa Nadal,
but I think just in the inthis first set, just talking about
Chapo, there is some nutso shotsthat he plays, and it's it's really

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a reminder for someone who is thaton to take some of the swings that
he does with the ball. It'sreally fun to watch. If there is
such a thing as the eye tests, and I think there definitely is,
and when you can kind of tellthat someone has it, quote unquote,
you saw it in this sort ofset in terms of the shot making that
we were witnessing. And the thingis he had to, like he had

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to. The only way he wasbasically winning some of these points was by
creating what seemed to be impossible becauseRafa's level was good. And I think
Chappell played well, don't get mewrong, and I'm not taking anything away
from him, but I think yousaw the doll kind of fall off from
the heights of the first set,where he was making more mistakes and unrafa
like mistakes, and that opening neededto be seized on. And you don't

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necessarily think an eighteen year old kidwho is playing one of his idols would
be able to take that chance,but he did, and I think Chapo
here is showing that he could settledown and not possibly go for everything.
It's kind of it's interesting because it'sa common theme in his career that I
think we keep going back to.And he's twenty one, but there are
those things that you feel like hegets it in matches, in moments,

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and yet it kind of goes awayafterwards. Would be curious to go back
at some point and do some diggingon the stats of Rapie Nadal's career against
left handers as well, because youdo feel like there are I mean,
his record is astonishing against just aboutanyone, but there are times that you
can see that left handers do botherhim. He doesn't get the same cheapness
inside of his rally boars that hegets against right handers. And that's no

(22:27):
disrespect. I mean, that's justthe reality of physics and the way the
poor comes up. It's lass laslas, it is, yeah, it
is by the way, just apoint on this excellent outfit from Chapeau aig
found of the red, Red andBlue combination. Twenty seventeen was a good
year for Nike. I think ifyou look back on it, twenty seventeen,

(22:48):
that fed out fit in Australia thatwas solid. I do think by
the standards, I mean, Nadal'shad some shockers throughout his career, he
really has, but this was notbad. I think he looks all right
as well. Rafa, I meanRafa now, I think Rafa currently,
like present day twenty twenty, Rafahas the best best gear made for him
in tennis. I don't know ifyou would disagree. Wow, that's a

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that's bold claim. That is soa so a. You have you have
Novak joining with like a random brandevery couple of years and now it was
lacost And I'm sorry, but likeI don't. I don't really think that
moves the needle for me. Andyou have Roger who's signed this mega deal
obviously with Niclo, but like Idon't, I don't know, Like tennis
still and Nike is still Nike andnow basically it's just them and Rafa working

(23:36):
on things. So I think they'rethrowing. They're throwing the full uh the
idea armory at Rafa and and itshows like the color schemes, and I
think he's he's he's on a progressivewave. I think the moment that we
saw Bill Gates wearing unicloak killed it. It really killed it. It was
done, Yeah, like it was. It was over. You look like
every every old pud you've ever seenplay tennis that is has too much,

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who was not taxed properly, whowas not contributing to society and the ways
he should, every single man I'veseen play tennis. That's what he looked
like. It did ruin it forme. Rafa did look good, though,
Bush sorry to get on that hedid. I thought we were we
were very slowly entering the Chapo drophouse. I wish trademark. I wish

(24:23):
I could it's lose. I wishI could claim out for myself. But
it is, Lucia. It's toogood, actually too good that we might
have to silence look and take itas everyone. But it's too late for
that. But are you with threeyear though? Because I think Rafa is
good in the first set, goodenough to get by Chapel played well,
but Rafa's level goes down a bitin the second and there is that opening

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which not everyone can take. ButI thought Chapel play extremely well in the
big moments. I do think there'sa certain amount of this that the doll's
level is always so high, andI think we can point to matches that
Novaka and Federer have played where thelevel has just been trash, right,
Like you look at some of thelosses they've had in their career, it's
very rare that one. All right, when's when's the last time you can

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look back and say, like anoutright stinker and wait, when he wasn't
hurt? Yeah, when he wasn'thurt. No, exactly right, exactly
yeah. And even in this one, his level is pretty good, like
he maybe a tick below his best, but that's being extremely The only way
really I mean this is he's missinghe misses some some balls and big spots
that he doesn't normally miss, right, and that's and that's like three to

(25:27):
five shots. And yet for Nadal, I feel like that is considered a
drop in level, and maybe it'sthe unfair standards he's set for himself,
because that's what I felt like butyou're right, like he's still This is
the thing about you know, yousee a random fed loss to Coconacus or
Novak will dump a loss in thesecond round as some random cat. But
if Rafa is fit, you reallydon't see that. If Rafa is healthy,

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you don't see him go away.And he's not going away here.
Chapo takes a second set, that'sat a yelp when he when he capitalizes
to win the second set on aRafa air, do you know that that's
gonna get rapah I back on youand showing emotion in Rafa's court. It's
a big move. It's a boldmove, right because you're challenging the man,
and you're challenging the man when itcomes to warriors in tennis. So

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that made it that much more specialto me. I think push in a
third set where everything to play for, and you have Dennis Shappavello eighteen years
old successfully exchanging fourhands with Rafael Nadal, the Rafael Nadal in Canada, in
Montreal, with the fearlessness that isthat is more matched for someone ten years

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older. I thought it was anincredible moment just in general for this sport,
this country and overall, with WayneGretzky watching the side as well,
perfect infamous the infamous shots of himpolitely golf clapping with his very questionable eyeglasses
choice. I feel like I'm beinginsulting to the entirety of Canada. No,

(26:56):
no, by the way, aCanadian passport so extreme. I'm okay,
I'm allowed to do it now.It's totally fair. We have I
was gonna have been worse. I'mlike, and this is he thought the
ranto about the fashion was worse.But in Canada we are obsessed. Don't
get me wrong. I understand WayneGretzky is he a god in Canada,
is larger than life. People deifyhim cool, but we are obsessed with

(27:21):
shoehorning and other Canadian starts into othermoments that can like build this. This
is how meaningful it is, orit means so much because Wayne Gretzky's here,
Like, no, no, no, Wayne, it doesn't matter that
Wayne Gretzky is here. It's Raphaeland the doll is on the court playing
right now. This is who thisCanadian kid is playing. I don't care
if Wayne Gretzky's here, It doesn'tmatter. It does not matter. But

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we do it all the time.We try to. We try to build
up other sports by assoc saying itwith with safe things that we've come to
know as the Kannadian ideal. Bothersme, but cool, Wayne was there.
This guy's playing Rafael on the dolland he's beating him. That's the
cool thing. Well, it feelslike we've into the chap house at this
point, right, Am I wrong? Sir? Sir? I demand to

(28:03):
know if I'm wrong, though Ibelieve the facts backed me up here.
It should be an element of thispodcast that any time we discussed Dennis Shop
of olive, we just descend intopretty political ranting. It's just and I
don't get me wrong, Synergy Sportsnet, NHL, it's the brand they're showing
this tournament. Wayne's in the house. Cool, but it's an angle that's

(28:26):
used to death. And I alsothink that we can fully judge these athletes,
these young stars on their own barts, which are pretty exceptional considering how
young they are and how much they'vedone. Right, So, that was
my thing about the whole Wayne Gretzkyinfluence. But I'll stop talking now because
I'm heated. Bush. Please takeit well, in this third set and
getting back to the tennis for asecond, just to round this match out,

(28:48):
you do kind of have that.I think that the level is actually
very high in this third set,and the shot making ability. I mean,
we talk about this death right justwhat Dennis shop of Olive. It's
impossible to talk about him and nottalk about shot making. And I mentioned
before that he is right in thetop three in terms of shot pace on
both fourhand and back end. Thekid can hit it like he can hit
it with anyone. He's one ofthe best in the world in terms of

(29:11):
pure striking ability and pace on theground stroke. So there's no issues with
that. It's more just about whetheror not the ball is going in the
court. It's more about whether it'slanding in the lines or not. And
there are elements to this set whereit looks pretty pretty garbage, it has
to be said, But there ismore. There are more moments where it's
exceptional, it has to be said. Chavo survived a fourteen minutes and thirty

(29:33):
second game on his serve, barelyholding. He saved nine of eleven break
points. It was tight again,fortuitous missus in Hapo's case that Nal made
but Chappo got himself out of troublesometimes of his own, doing pretty frequently
to get to the tie break,and even there he falls behind through nothing

(29:56):
to Raffa, where you're okay,this is it. He's somehow managed to
fight it this long, but downin this holder's no way. Rafa is
a great front runner and No.Seven of the eight final points in the
tiebreak won by Dennis Shapovolov to stunRafael Nadal and the crowd to be fair
in Montreal, and I think thetennis world this kid again high hopes,

(30:18):
but to beat Rafa, now oneforty three in the world, I think
nik Kurios was the only other playerto achieve something similar, who beat Raffa
in twenty fourteen in the fourth roundwhen he was one forty four in the
world. A massive moment for men'stennis, massive moment for Dennis shap of
Vlov. And you know his story. His friendship with Felix age Galiassim is

(30:41):
well known and the story of himstaying at Felix's place for this tournament to
Montreal was well known, and itmade this interview with the ration madaneyon Court
that that much more interesting. It'sjust it's incredible. I can't even talk
right now. I mean, Igrew up watching Rafa, so just to
be able to compete with him isone thing, and to come out winning

(31:03):
it's a it's a dream come truefor me. And honestly, I was
I actually want to tell a story. Uh. I woke up this morning
and uh, in Felix's basement andthe first thing I see as a poster
Rafael the doll. So I toldI told him to take it down quickly,
but uh, you know, Iguess in some ways I was a
little bit of motivation. Can youimagine, Bush, you wake up in
the morning and the guy you're playingis the poster on the wall. I

(31:26):
like to think that Felix actually putit up during a little bit. Yeah,
this is a mess of them.If he was just if it was
a solid friend, he would havedone that, just motivate him into his
head. It's part of the coolestpart of this story, Bush, like
this, this all this whole thing. It's like anecdotes like that, and
the fact that they're growing up togetherthrough this. Definitely, yeah, I

(31:47):
would. I think the fine imageis is such a cool one as well.
It's one thing that I would urgeeveryon onant to just go back and
watch the last point, the matchpoint, because just it's such a cool
image of sort of Chapeau with hisjumping fourhand down the line. Just it
looks like a perfect representation of whathis game is, just blasting winners whilst

(32:07):
being three feet in the air.A Nadal is getting nowhere near the ball
like Chappell falls to the court andthe crowd is erupts at the same time.
It's a very famous image now inCanadian sport, but it's it is
one that really it's she still getchills watching it back. It's very very
fun to watch it. After thebreak You've heard his name mentioned already.

(32:28):
It's Felix aug Alias seems breakthrough comingup next. Welcome back to the Open
Air Podcast. It's the final segmentthis week. We're talking arrivals, we're

(32:51):
talking in the Canadian Big Three.We've discussed Bianca, Dennis and now it's
Felix's time. Bush. You know, in twenty get a lot of tennis.
Of course before everything happened, butwhat we did see was this cat
Fa come extremely close to winning hisfirst tournament and he hasn't been able to
yet. We've talked at length aboutthe heartbreak, but when mentioning Felix's breakthrough,

(33:15):
there's some options here. Bush.Please please lay out your case from
what you picked, because I I'mnot totally sold on it, but it
helps us our theme, so Igo with it. Well, I think
he's He's actually quite a difficult oneto pick. I think if you if
you look at his career so far, there are a lot of wins against

(33:37):
players that I think he should bebeating. He has. And I picked
a win that he had against Stephana sissy pass, which was his first
win against a top ten player.This one as deeps rank stick in the
world at Queen's Club. And yeah, I mean this is a quarter finals.
It's kind of just a random nothingtournament as a as I'm banned from.

(33:58):
Yeah, now you're passed for ithere. What is gone? Man?
Bojo is getting that. I thinkit was gone a long time ago
at this point, and some ofthe things that I've said publicly on podcasts
at this point, I think I'mnever being allowed back to the British the
British border, sorry, the Europeanborder. I think I think he's difficult
to pick in a lot of waysbecause if I was going to ask this,

(34:22):
even a even a strong tennis fanname is signature win for Felix.
So far, I don't think it'sthat easy, and I don't think there's
one that springs to mind in thesame way that chapel or Or Andrescu have.
Is fair. Actually, you know, it's totally fair, And that's
probably why I have only a switequant qualm with the choice, because I
think for me and it's all twentynineteen and that is obviously the breakthrough year

(34:44):
and when Felix is is making hisname. But I thought that that golden
swing when he went on to clayin South America, I thought that was
the beginning of Okay, like Kayiansdon't do this for sure, and like
what like this? This kid isa depth on clay and he can chatlenge
like true dirt ballers in their favoritesetting. So I it's leaning the semi

(35:06):
win over Pablo Kavas to get intothe real Open final. That was going
to be where I'm leaning. Butoh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry for
forgetting the Pablo quite a. Letme finally, you know it's it's got
so much more stature than beating atop t emplier at Queen's Club. Listen,
I'm just gonna put my bike helmeton, pump up to Mac DeMarco,

(35:28):
ride right on down to the beach, and get my hipster on because
I'm picking a Pablo match from theGolden Swing that was that was probably available
to three hundred thousand people worldwide ontelevision. But I'll go with you on
Cissy Pass and Cissy Pass is aninteresting one because Felix laid a beat down
on them in the Indian Wells andthey have a history right bush, like
they've played together pretty much their wholelives. Well, I think that's why

(35:52):
this one is so interesting. Ithink just early on, just between the
two of them, they've actually hadquite a few matches as professionals, which
is pretty remarkable cansidering how short they'veboth been on tour, and Felix owns
him basically like in big matches andin situations that you would expect Cissy Pass
to really step up and be thebe the senior partner in this. I

(36:15):
believe he's two years older, maybea year and a half order, so
he's you know, he's he wasthe man, right, he was the
number one junior player. Cissy Passbeat him at the US Open. By
the way, watch that of thosehighlights. They both look like absolute tiny
school children. Cisy Pass with shortair is very very funny. Cissy past
two years older. So I mean, let's touch on this match, right,

(36:37):
because we know Felix has said thisat length that his favorite surface is
clay. He feels most countable ona clay court. And I think this
is what gets me most excited aboutthe potential for his career. You mentioned
the eye test, right, Thereis no better eye test player in all
of tennis than Felix Ogilism. Helooks like he has everything you could possibly

(37:00):
want to be a multiple time GrandSlam winner. And I mean that that's
an even hyperbolic that's just watching someonetechnically, watching the movement, watching the
athleticism, watching the power on bothbeforehand and back end. He has absolutely
everything required to be a truly,truly excellent great player. It's the technical
proficiency that I think it's hard todescribe on a podcast, obviously, and

(37:28):
we we do recommend you watch thissmatch at Queen's Club. But it's pretty
Remarkael Bush, because I don't thinkCyPass plays that poor poorly, and you
talk about the tournament. In thesnapshot, Felix is playing crazy hours that
there's rain issues throughout the week.Felix ends up beating Gregor Dimitrov Andy carry
Us on the same day to getto this point of the tournament where cisy

(37:52):
Pass is a number one seed andwhere city Pass is the favorite. But
you've had Felix make a run theweek before in Stuttguard he made it to
the final where he lost to Barattini. But he's shown that this thing on
grass is it's not a flash inthe pan. He's got the ability,
and he gained this match with confidence, the confidence that you have if you
just dusted this guy in Indian Welvesa couple of weeks ago. It was

(38:15):
much the same push. And Ithink it's a good pick in the sense
that you do get to see awell manufactured tennis player. And I'm trying
to make that point without making itsound derogatory, but in the sense that
everything Felix does looks proper, Doesthat make sense? I found it really
difficult. Do you remember a fewmonths ago when I was trying to describe

(38:37):
just some other way of describing NovakDjokovic, which is just he is a
truly is the pinnacle of a professionalmodern tennis player, which is excellent on
every surface, outstanding athlete, movesincredibly well, has every single shot in
the book. There's nothing really topick apart. And I think that the
same is true of Felix, rightthere is this there is no difference,

(39:00):
Like they look identical in terms ofhow they play the sport. It's gonna
be really interesting to see whether hecan take the next step over and do
it at Grand Slam level. Andbecause there is a thing that separates really
the truly, really really good fromthe great, and it is the mental
aspect of it. It is beingable to handle the pressure. It is
not falling apart and when big pointscome, and that really is the final

(39:23):
step for Felix. You watch thegame from when he plays in that junior
match against Assi Pasta when he playsnow, you would argue, I mean
they both improved so much, likejust staggeringly large amounts. But the shots
look very very similar for Felix,and it looks like it's always been easy,
always found the power, always technicallyknow how to do it. The

(39:45):
server is the only thing right.The server is the only thing that's left
that is really standing in the wayof him being of taking a final step
here on this day at the Queen'sClub, Felix was massive under pressure,
converted through you the five three pointchances he had. But perhaps bigger,
definitely bigger in the grand scheme ofthings, was that he saved seven break

(40:08):
chances that he faced against the topseed nine aces on this day, seventy
seven percent on his first serve.It was a comprehensive performance in one hour
and thirty eight minutes. This wasa welcome glipse of the future slips and
he's out of the Championships and Ithink beaten comprehensively by Phoenix o j alisci

(40:30):
end just over an hour and ahalf food seven, five six two.
The top seed falls at the quarterfinal stage for Phoenix oj ali As sim
it's the second successive week where heis in a glass course semi final,
his debut here at this great Championships, and he has more than made his

(40:52):
mark. Where where do we standon? Felix shown incredible promise, credible
promise to finals all ready this year. He was the guy that we were
talking about in terms of candy andtennis before everything really happened shut down.
But what we were talking was thefact that he's been in five finals and
hasn't won yet, and you weretalking about Grand Slams. Maybe the first

(41:15):
conversation we have to have is whathappens in these finals? So what is
happening and is it something that generallyconcerns you? I think obviously there is
some concern, but how much canthere be if Felix is regularly making the
finals themselves. So I'm curious tosee where you stand on this. Him
himself has not even made the roundproper the main drawer of the French Open

(41:37):
yet, just by injury or bythe stage that he was twelve years old
the last time he played it,so I would wait to see what he
does on his favorite surface. Iwas really really excited to see what he
would have done at the French Openthis year had it taken place, because
I was expecting a pretty decent runfrom him there. Actually, I was
expecting people to be surprised when hegot to the latter stages of that tournament.

(42:00):
We did this a little while agowhen we were talking to the Open
Era about several other players about whereif we predicted them, what the ranking
would be. We talked about CasperRude in that situation and Tiago Wield.
So I think that's a really interestingone when it all nets out to talk
about these three players as well,because I think we all have a pretty

(42:20):
good idea of where we think they'regoing to be. I think this is
an opportunity to do that. Ithink we should do it again because it's
it's an important prediction and it's amark of how good we are at this
well. We definitely have more informationat our disposable to make an educated guess
on what the future holds. AndI will tell you the outlook or mayo

(42:42):
look at least is significantly different forBianka in the sense that I really not
comfortable making a confident declaration of whator how many more titles she's going to
win, or how many more Slamsshe's going to win, because to be
honest, I don't. I Ijust want to see her play again before
I even I approach that conversation.I think that's fair if everything held up

(43:07):
correctly, and she was back oncourt and had no issues. Where do
you think her ranking would be atthe pinnacle of her career? Right?
Number one? But I think it'sa question of how long like you?
What are you cool with? AndI don't know this, and I love
to ask Bianca if I had achance, but it's also a ridiculously tough

(43:28):
thing to answer when you're twenty nineteen, But like, how long do you
want to be in the top four? Because I could see it as a
five year thing where she is oneto five in the top three and consistently
challenging for slams and then she's coolor maybe she knows that her body can't
be up to this end that sheneeds to be, And it's really hard
to ask someone that when she's atthe issue is but number one. But

(43:51):
I really I'm comfortable making possibly outlandishpredictions for the other two cats, but
I'm very uncertain about Bianca bush No. I think that's very fair, and
I do share the same worry we'veshared multiple times on this podcast that these
kind of injuries aren't great, thekind of injuries that she's having at such
an early age, and just givenno given that no information comes out about

(44:17):
it, and that they're very verysecretive about how about how her body is
holding up. It doesn't ring verywell in the in the grand scheme of
things. It doesn't tend to happenwhen you're when everything's okay in the camp
and Bush. How weird is thisthat I feel probably more confident than Roger
will come back from his knee issuethan Beyonca because I know, we know

(44:42):
Roger has basically done this before,right, and I think there is some
there's some comfort in that factor iswe really don't know how Bianca will respond
to this, right, So that'sa forty year old man we're talking about
compared to her, to her ayoungster, But it's wild. I don't
know. I don't think. Idon't think that's far off either. You
mentioned at the start of the podcastthat you heading to the professional circuit at

(45:05):
thirty two, as we forget we'retalking a forty year old man who probably
going to be trying to Yeah,but yeah, that's that's where I said
on Bianca, I mean, forDennis and Felix Bush. I am twenty
twenty for many reasons. I wasI wanted to see tennis because I love
tennis, but I wanted to seewhere these two guys got and and like
you mentioned, what Felix was ableto do on clay and through a full

(45:29):
play season that he didn't really getlast year, to see what he could
do on his favorite service. Wedidn't get that. I wanted to see
what Dennis could do with another anotheryear with Michael Usney on the team and
another voice and ends seemingly different,different mental outlook and more mature Dennis Shabavoal.
I wanted to see that. ButI think these guys are in a

(45:52):
grouping with your your your rube Levsand your Canshionovs, and your I think
team there ever put the upper guysin this conversation and older, but they're
in that pack where I really I'mresigned to the big three will only stop
winning when they stop playing. SoI am I'm going back and forth on

(46:16):
this and making a ridiculous claim,but I think they're just going to be
guys for a couple more years bushand win some tournaments hopefully, but no
major breakthroughs. No. It isinteresting, and I think depending on who
you talk to in the tennis world, you have pretty wild opinions in terms
of who will step up or whatthe next five years and tennis looks like.

(46:37):
So Shapavalav at the moment career highranking of thirteen, which he did
earlier this year, Felix career highranking of seventeen. So they've both been
inside of the top twenty, gettingcloser to knocking on the door of the
top ten, and I think that'sprobably about where they really sit at the
moment. I still think they're probablyaround top thirty players in the world who

(46:57):
on a good run through you througha good tournament, probably can stretch that
to the upper upper teen's lower teensort of territory. And I think that
is a fairly decent reflection of wherethey currently sit and where that translates to
in the future. It's really reallydifficult to say, but I do feel
a little more strongly that Felix hasthe ability to really step up and be

(47:21):
a top ten player consistently. Ithink Chapelle has the potential to do that.
In streaky elements, I don't thinkhe's team I don't think he is
in the same way that he's notanywhere near his consistent and I know the
comparison often gets made to him justdue to the ground strokes and just to
the power they possess. He's notthe mover that dominic team is on a
tennis court, and I think it'sthe one the area that he struggles with

(47:44):
more than anything else. And Ireally think it is very, very challenging
to be a top ten player withoutexceptional movement consistently, and I think that's
the area that Felix just dominates himso strongly. If I was fully going
to go out on a limb,I still think Felix, ohyeah, Alex
Steve can get to world number one. I do believe that's possible during the
in the course of his career.I believe he's that talented. I think

(48:07):
he separates from that pack that youmentioned a little more than some of the
other players in there. But Imean, this is impossible to say for
a kid who's still nineteen years ofage. Yeah, definitely. And I
feel also a little more comfortable onthe women's side, prognosticating that I think
Bianca is already there. She's alreadyin the top five and comfortably in the

(48:28):
conversation of who you expect to winDick tournaments with Naomi and Serena and Sidelina
and move through who's now back andthen Sophia Kennan entering at the Australian Opening.
With that big win, you geta sense of who's going to be
around. And that's why I'm comingif Bianca is okay physically sure the men's
side, like I really, theseguys have to stop playing for things to

(48:49):
change, really, I think,and I'm not saying they should, but
this is where we're at and thisconversation that we're having now, and by
the time this comes out of thedecision, a decision will have been made
about the US Open and whether youcan have more than one person with you
or it limits the entourage size.But the big three make more money than
everyone else, they have more resourcesthan everyone else. Novak had a chamber

(49:13):
with him at the US Open tohelp him recover on site that he went
into after every match, Like theguy who's forty fifth in the world does
not have that. And I wonderhow much that goes into this as well,
where I wonder if the gap isnot only sizeable because you have three
generational talents, but I feel likethe wealth in equality and tenn is is
something that has been exposed and thensome during this pandemic, and it maybe

(49:36):
also be a factor and why theBig Three remain uncatchable. Next week on
Open Era, we will be bringyou a review of Dusk Copy. Tal
I went off the rails man,I went off the rails. He got
me on the RAFA shirt talk andit just cascaded. I took shots that

(49:58):
way, and Gretzky I took shotsappolism. Who else you got, Dude,
When you get into the Chapeau traphouse, it's to get out.
I decided again again, challenge mypoints, don't challenge the person I think.
I I think that disparity is somethingthat has to be addressed. And
it's not Marion Chilich asking for moreprize money from the USTA, which I
thought was hilarious, so that youknow what might as well. But it's

(50:22):
about being like, what what's goingon with this competitive balance? I don't
know. It is also about theyoung guys being better. It's also about
being the young guys getting better.But it's it's a little wrinkle that I
saw being discussed on tender Twitter,and I think it makes sense. Shoot
your shot. Marion Clich absolutely.God, hey, I respect it.
Yeah, no, no problem.On the day that they announced one hundred
and twenty job losses, Marion Chelichhas that. I just thought it was

(50:45):
come on, read the room man, that's yeah, less than idea.
I think the point that you made, by the way, just kind of
coming full circle on this. Onthe women's side of things, I think,
I mean total agreement with you.It is a Soca, it is
Undressco. They are two of thebest players. They are the two best
players in the world. I feelvery, very comfortable in saying that.
And it's just they are head andshoulders above the rest of that tour.

(51:08):
I really strongly believe that, andI think there are some very very good
players on but the talent alone,you would make the argument. At the
back end of the year, asAndreski won the US Open, she was
the number one player in the world. She was better than everyone else,
and on a hard court it reallythere was no player that could have come
close to it, as illustrated bythe fact that she pretty much eviscerated everyone

(51:29):
in her path on a hard courtthroughout the course of the year. Still
really excited to see what she doesin a grass Court still really excited to
see what she doesn't play court.I think those things are still up for
grabs as well. To see whetheror not how she does on services which
are not sort of tailor made toher game, I'm really curious to see
how that happens as well. Butwomen's side, I think is much more
cut and dry. The men's sideis much more up for grabs. And

(51:52):
will one of these players elevate themselvesto the position where they will overtake the
Big three while they're still playing,or we're gonna have to wait for the
Big three to retire before we seeone of these players. And I guess
the other thing I'm touching on thisjust briefly, is whether whether al Karaz
himself at sixteen years of age,with all of the stuff that's been said

(52:13):
about him since he was twelve,whether he really is the next Raffa Nadal
and you watch him play Islander Bush, right, there could only be one.
Like the guy that has to takea rafa has to be sixteen in
the same situation with the pirate pantsin the tank top, like he has
to be identical almost, it's true, And Karla Sakaraz is he watched him

(52:34):
play. I mean, he lookslike Felix does at that age. He
looks exceptional. He really really looksthe part. Whether that translates into being
a multi time Grand Slam winner,it's almost impossible, and you'd be so
stupid. But it's not often.It is not often within the world of
sports for someone to get the buzzthat he has got. It doesn't happen

(52:57):
that often, right, I thinkof in different sports, right, the
buzz, the buzz for people whoactually are within the bubble. It's a
different it's a different level, andit's it's people who are pretty skeptical of
making those guesses that are making themright. That's how rare these these proclamations
are, so you have to trustthem. It's fair, maybe just to

(53:21):
close, I will push back alittle. I know you are on the
record, Bush, I think youhave higher confidence in Felix going forward than
Dennis. Is that fair? Itis? Yeah, And I will say
I think what Dennis put together duringwhat almost seemed like a lost year in
twenty nineteen or things were getting badand it seemed like you didn't have any

(53:42):
real solutions to partner with mikail Usneyto win in Stockholm, get his first
title, to make the final withthe Paris Masters and lose to Novak.
Some strides were made and he cameon hot. At the end of twenty
nineteen, he was big in DavisCup again, another bad part of a
series of bad things that have beentwenty twenties. He had a lot of

(54:05):
momentum going in his direction and itwas unfortunate to see that. Wasn't fortunate
to see him lose to Fujovich inthe Fruit in the Aussie Open, which
was just devastating. But yeah,I got I still have high hoster Dennis,
and I think I like having theguy like usne there, so we'll
see for once in my life,wush I did not make a crazily stupid

(54:28):
bold prediction and I didn't give youwhat you asked for him. Sorry.
How many Grand Slams will be downa shop of olive win two two?
How about that too? Wow?Because I think once once the big three
stop, once the Big three stoprandom, I was just gonna be pull
a name out of a hat.They've got a Slam. No Jixon is

(54:49):
gonna win everything, damn it.We know you didn't even mention him right
center. Okay, well this isthe other thing. I mean, will
this crew get caught by the crewbehind them, like the kids behind them?
We saw that that round its generationmaybe get get caught, and we're
seeing that the team generation get caught, the zero of generations, the zero
of generation. These guys, willthey get caught? Like, who's next?

(55:10):
Because someone's got to make a damn. I isn't there like twenty two
years old saying this quickly? Ithink, but like this is this is
his this is his generation, likehe is the old guy right born in
nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, that'sdone. Three. I mean, we

(55:31):
get in all this because I thinkwe get in all this because I think
it's the question that we have repeatedlyattacked time and time we get on this
show. But out of out ofthis, this this group of youngsters,
I think there is enough there,and I think it's just going to take
a very weird series of events fora Grand Slam breakthrough because I think we

(55:54):
kind of do need it. Oh, it's not as desperate as people make
it sound. Agreed. I'm excitedto see the next generation of kids on
the men's side step up and seewhat it looks like, see what this
break has actually done on the women'sside. I think this has just given
a really good opportunity for Andrescu andeveryone else to get healthy, which has

(56:15):
to stand her in good stead fingerscrossed, and for Naomi Osaka and Coco
Golf to ball out and lead thefight against police brutality and systemic oppression.
What they've done has been inspiring.The fact that they're at the age they
are and that they're leaders and it'sjust been impressive, super impressive, and

(56:37):
that these people are taking the leadthe youngsters. You know, you're not
seeing the veterans on the tour speakup about these matters. Rather than than
posting a black square, it's it'sCoco Goff and Naomi Osaka actually getting on
the ground and doing stuff. Sohats off to them. I hope you
know that I would have posted ablack square twice if I could. No,

(56:59):
She's yeah. I do want tosay this very briefly, because you
touched on it. I'm unbelievably impressedwith the pair of them. I still
remain to this point. I thinkit's astonishing what a soccer and Cocoa cof
I've done. The last few weeks, and I talk about this with my
friends often that I believe in theteenage girls. I really, seriously,

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seriously, I believe in them.I have I step back at this point
and say, you're better and smarterthan I'm ever gonna be. My future
isn't your hands. Just don't screwthis up. I believe in you.
Well, I mean we've we've hadour shot and done terrible job by all
accounts. Not kidding, I'm theseladies are exceptional athletes and they know what

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they're doing in this reguise. WhileSlim Stevens has been a big voice.
Francis TrFO Venus Serena. You wantto talk about inequality tennis. We've talked
about it on this this podcast beforeit, but I would I would now
leave it. Yeah, we shouldprobably captives before it gets into a huge
ramble session. But that's it forthis week. Whish anything else Canadian three?

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Anything we left out? No?I thought it was. It was
interesting looking back at them and goingdown a sort of a Kira Kurosura rationiman
style. U look into the threeof them because they think they are going
to be around in the tennis sportingscene and I don't think it's impossible to
say that we could have the numberone player in both the men's and women's

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side at some point in the nextfive years, which would be so exciting
for Canadian sport in general. Reallyexcited to see it happen. Can't wait.
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