AJ (@ajandhisbackpack) and Franz (@FlowwithFrantz) are here stirring the cauldron of chaos with another wild episode of Opinions & Consequences! Is the “healing era” really just “avoid accountability season” in disguise? Then we’re diving deep into ex-files — if your past relationships were horror villains, who’s your Freddy, Chucky, or Ghostface? And the real soul-snatcher question: would you sell your soul (or your time) for financial freedom? Buckle up — this one’s part therapy session, part thriller, and fully unhinged. Tap in before the plot twist hits!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So choose your words wisely, enjoy the show.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you, hey, guys, Ben, Welcome back to another episode
of A Penisa Consequences Off the books, I mean host
Agri McLoughlin. Guys, I got a guess in the building.
I want to welcome France to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man. I'm doing great, bro. I just wanna say thank you, Oh,
thank you, sir. You know it's an honor to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Dodd, you know. Okay, so you're giving me my flowery.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
He's been dodging. Mean, he's been dodging mean.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, to be fur people, if you don't. I wanted
to make sure that I had the right, but cial
to actually be able to sit down and interview this
talented individual.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's that's That's what I'm going off of. Is that.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Okay, sir, it's okay. I know you say that to everybody.
It's okay, it's okay. I got it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I got it, yo, but I was everything. Man, it
was great.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It was great.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
There's a lot of introspective work and honestly just loving
this new eraor for me personally, I love it. Yeah,
you know, I know we're gonna talk a little bit
about healing, but I wanted to tell.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You, like, I'm trying to be toxic.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Not that much. We're trying to talk.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
See, I like to see that you guys doing toxic
you know what talks as you have bro like, but
if to hear someone else say they.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Want to be.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
That's what something though, man, like any traveling this this summer,
any traveling homebody, I was trying to get you know,
I'm trying to I feel like, don't do that, don't
try to catch up. To be honest, this is what listen,
this is why I got a hoodie on people because
I knew. I knew he was gonna come in here
soon the guns Yolkcity dot Com.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Hey, I try, I try, I do what I can.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know, any plans for the traveling or like traveling
coming up?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
For the goal not for the hollidays, but my goal
is to go to Columbia because that was a great Hello,
I've been there, It's like, guys, go visit.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm not a passport. Bro't don't judge me.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But just like they said, man, we're gonna get it
on people. Listen, pause, have you on the pause? Man,
We're gonna get into it, guys. Man, this episode is tricks, treats,
and toxic traits.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We're gonna start this conversation off let me out? Is
healing error just.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
A rebrand for avoid accountability season? Once again?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Audience is healing eerr just a rebrand for avoid accountability season?
Talk to me, fro us, what's your take on this
big dog?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
First, I want to get your take because I want
understand where your point of view is coming from.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So I have an idea of what we're going with us.
I see what he did here, You see what he
did here? Okay, So just to give a little bit
of understanding of the healing portion of it, I just
feel like, you know, a lot of people nowadays are
into this healing error.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I'm on my.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Journey and all that stuff, and with all respects, you
know what I mean, everybody correct, correct, correct. I just
feel like a lot of people are more so not
being accountable for their actions. Yeah, and you know, I
feel like a lot of times it's it's it's a
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lot of us. And you know, I'm included. People like
I'm included, He's included, but a lot of us are
How can I put it? Always a victim? I agree, Okay,
you know what I mean, there's too many there's too
many victims out here where I feel like a lot
of us don't take the step back and be like, Okay,
let me understand where I went wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
What can I have better? Like?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And I feel like a lot of us we don't.
We don't never think like that. We always was like,
oh my god, I was mistreated. I was I was
heard he treated me this way or she treated me
that way. This is why I'm in this position when
I think that, you know, I was just three sides
to a story. But I feel that a lot of
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us we don't take accountability for the things that we
could have made an adjustment on.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, and I co signed out with you, okay to
talk to me for me the way I look at
healing her right and you know, to the audience, to
everybody out there, I think it's the ultimate form of
responsibility when you're healing yourself, right, because to the healing
comes from you saying I'm no longer letting other people
write my own story. Right, That's how I see it personally,
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because I was a victim myself. I'm a former victim. Guys,
it is what it is. But I realized, like, yo,
people only know what they know, right. They don't know
your person back that, they don't know your story, they
don't know what you're in through, they don't know that
your words.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Had an effect on them.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And so in that aspect, I was like, all right,
I'm gonna stop blaming everybody else because I can't control
everybody else. Only person I can control is me on
these two hands, if you want, on these hands. But
I say that because right, because like when you're healing,
I think the first step as you take accountability and
responsibility in your health.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And I'll let you I'm no and I'm with you
on that. I'm with you, I'm with you. But how
many people do you take that accountability a life? And
that's the thing there, So like you.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Said it, you said it like it's the first step
is to take that accountability. I feel like a lot
of us we don't take that accountability and and and
correct me.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
If I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
People, There's there's multiple different reasons where I feel like
a lot of a lot of us don't take accountability
for our actions because maybe you by fessing up to
something with your partner or someone that you adore or admire,
they might not be the same adult that you are
and they may hold it over your head like a halo.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And then I know a lot of people that do that.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Like, I know a lot of people that will sit
there like if you be like, yo, you know what
my fault frogs, I messed that up. I messed that up.
You'd be like, ah, it's all good, but then you'll
keep bringing it up.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, but see, that's that's nasty, that's not I think right.
What you're saying is like they lack the awareness.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Correct, And that's what I'm saying though.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But then for them to lack the awareness of you
being accountable for your mistakes, your actions, it doesn't allow
you to grow in a sense that you know what,
I'm not even gonna hold I'm not gonna hold myself
accountable no more because I know this person's gonna hold
this over my head.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
But like at the end the day. You can't control people,
big facts, right, you really can't. You can only control yourself.
And when you're controlling yourself, you got to understand likes
for me, Like we're just talking about it the other day, right,
is that someone starts telling me bullshit me lies. I
was like, huh, okay, all right, you have a great day, right,
I don't care what they have to say. It doesn't
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have it doesn't affect me anymore. It's realizing that it's
no more humbling yourself and making it's putting yourself on
the pedal stal because you're the king, you're the prize
and understanding other people are not going to do the
work that you've been doing in your own life. And
so it's just what it is like you you accept
not everybody's willing to pick up their cross and carry it.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Okay, then listen, we're gonna you see this. You see
what I'm talking about. You see how we came with
these bars?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
No, no, no, that's God got God give it to
the most high.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Okay, guys, listen, we're gonna have some fun with this though,
because because we're in the spirit of Halloween, I'm gonna
ask you Franz. First, yeah, if exes, if if your
ex were horror villains, who would yours be?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Now?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Hold on, but while you're thinking about that, audience, hear
me out. If your exes were a hard villain, it
could be ghost Face, leather Face and a bell, I
don't know, Chucky all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Who would your ex be? And why? Please leave it
in the comments below, people, I need to hear this.
France talk to me.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So my first instinct, right, talk about instinct with the
Bride of Chucky because she's a little crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But you know, I think we all like a little crazy, right,
some of.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But then I was just like probably a mixture between
the Bride of Chucky and Hally Quinn and this the
Bride of Chucky is the horror side and the Hally
Queen is the bad girls side, because you know, I mean,
I think I'm like, I know, I have my problems, guys.
You know I like toxic women just a little bit, a.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Little bit, just a little bit, just a little bit.
Take a little people, I'm gonna cheers you why you're
taking a sip?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Oh yeah, let me take a sip too.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But here you go, clink.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I was really thinking about it, because it's like, no
matter what when you when you're with a girl like
she really loves you, she's gonna act crazy, right.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Because that's how she shows her love.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Because it's an emotional experience versus if your girl's not
giving you any energy, that's a that's a reflect in
my opinion, you.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's what talk. That's what we're talking. I'm with you
want to. I'm what you want to.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So you're saying like your accommodation of your excess, like
Holly Quin being chucky.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I ain't gonna lie to you. Listen. One of them
was chucky for me. One of them was chucky. She
was five two.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
She thought she ran the whole block, talking about you
ain't gonna find no one else better, and all this
stuff you already know how to if if she sounds
like a twin of your ex please let me know, gentlemen.
But little did she know like she was. She was
not a builder bear. She was building bay that went road.
That's that was one of them. And then I had
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I had.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The other one was jigsaw. Jigsaw.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
She was a manipulative master of mind, like a master mind,
like one of those that the type energy tell me,
do you want to play a game?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Like you know what I mean, I want to play
a game.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
She always hit you with the like you know, the
riddles and the puzzles and all this stuff, trying to
have you apologize the stuff that you never even did,
Like that's wild, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
If she sounds like a twin, let me know, sir.
My question for you, when did you notice the pattern?
And like I got a get out of this?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't think. I feel like you sometimes you try to.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You try to build certain walls to try to like
gauge yourself, but like you know, when you see something up.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
In hand, like where you're like, oh my god, another
jigsaw and.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You're just like you you prep yourself mentally, like you're like, yo, hey,
what level do you want to go with this?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Like there was six saws? Was it like six saws?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think there's more.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But right, I'm straight. I'm straight on part one. I'm done.
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Part one is good. Part one is good for me.
If there's a part two, I'm good, Ma, I'm good.
But I just feel like a lot of times you
could you could gauge that in terms of to see
which horror villain they are within the first two three conversations. Yeah,
you could, like, and it depends, like once again, people
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how intimate and how deep the conversations are. But I
feel like a lot of them. You can you could gauge.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, but I also feel like you have the glasses on,
like you know, everything's pretty.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
You don't see the red flies. You don't want to.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
See the red flies because like, oh man, Jesus, just amazing,
you know, And then so the.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Cracks start to slip a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, no, and I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I just feel like a lot of us we you know,
like we were talking a little bit earlier, like we're
all out of the box. Bro, Like if we're all
at best Buy, we're all open box. We're all open box.
Some of' is just in the chords like some as
some don't come in four K, some's just ten ad
B like but you gotta understand, like, bro, that's it, bro,
Like do you want.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
To deal with Chucky? Yes? Or no? That's it? Like no,
but but but see that's what I'm saying. I like,
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
A lot of us try no, I could change Chucky,
maybe and that's the problem. That's where we run into
this problem at a big age where we're like, yo, damn,
I can't change Chucky.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Chucky's cooked just cooked food.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Listen, we're gonna keep it moving. But guy's remember make
sure you tag your horror X.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
What is? What is it? What is what is your ex? Man?
Is she? Is he? Or she? Whatever?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm looking forward to the comments. Guys.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
All right, let me ask you this, this is deep,
This is this is deep past.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Would you sell your soul or time.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
For financial freedom? And what is your definition of financial
freedom because you know they're all different.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't sell my soul that
shi its priceless for my time for sure, like you
can have my time right. For me, freedom is spending
the time with the people you love and being able
to do the things that you want to do right
because I think I think at the end of the day,
you you want to be going after goals regardless, but
you won't have the freedom to go after whatever you want.
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You want to create because I think every like every
one of us is meant to create and evolve, and
if we're not doing that and we're you know, we're
just trying to survive. That financial freedom kind of gives
you that personally.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I like that. I like that. I'm with you on that.
I wouldn't sell my soul. I will definitely sell my time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I do feel like real freedom isn't in your bank,
ye you know, like like he said, like you know,
is the time that you spend with others, the time
that you spend with yourself as well too, like you know,
like I feel like a lot of us we sell
our soul for a lot of different things, like and
I feel like, you know, I feel like a lot
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of us sell our soul for for fame, which could
lead to financial freedom in the sense of whatever you
define financial freedom. But that's where that's where the actual
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taker has to determine whe wasn't worth it or not,
you know what I mean. And usually, like you're selling
your soul and all that stuff, you know, Usually, like
you know, as you can see people, the more famous,
the more money you get, the the less mental state
that you're gonna have. Like, yo, you're gonna you're gonna
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be in a You're gonna be in the worse mental state.
And and I'm not saying that that's for everybody. But
I feel like a lot of people that have this
fame and fortune, they don't really get to live their life.
I agree to the fullest that they want to agree.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I mean, if I could have the financial freedom and
nobody knew about me, that'd be amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
On debts, which someone's gonna know, you know what I mean,
your name is gonna come across board, and then.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You know it's regardless.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Like in people, you don't understand, like you have to
understand the fact that just because you're not famous in
the limelight does not mean you're not famous with the IRRs.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You're not famous with you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Like there's a lot of like there's a lot of
different fame that you can have. You know, they're like, oh, okay,
you spend a little bit bread over here, But yeah,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I can't. Like I'm a I'm a side with you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'll definitely do time because I feel like we do
time all the time, like you know what I mean,
Like for financial freedom people, I know people that we
all know somebody that does.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Two three jobs and and.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You know what I mean, it's for all different reasons,
but at the same time, they're selling their time to
probably gain a little bit of leverage so that they
could have a happier, healthier lifestyle, you know what I mean. So,
and that may come down to what their financial freedom,
finishing of financial freedom is.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But you hey, I can disagree, you know, I do
not disagree. Well, you can disagree, though you're right, but
I choose not to because you know, I don't know
if you see you've seen snowfalls, you've seen I'm assuming
it's a popular show, right, It's like at the end,
you know when uh, Frank Frank is like, I'm free, right,
It's it's it's he didn't have the money, he lost everything,
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and he's saying I'm free.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
And I think we all have that freedom.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
But I feel like it's that freedom for a lot
of us is tied to the financial or the outcomes
that we're looking for in our lives. But we're already free, right,
Like you don't need the stuff. This stuff is just
a bonus. It's a plus.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And that's and that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Because even it was it was funny because it was
funny that you say that because they asked Mike Tyson
when when like when do you feel like you was
you was the most free, he said when I was
in jail.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I remember saying that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah. It was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
He said, Bro, I didn't owe nobody. No one came
looking for me. I didn't. And it's and bro, and
like you don't really think about it, guys, Like and
that's why I said financial freedom or freedom to everybody subjective,
because you know, it depends on whatever this person's going through.
He or she's gonna determine what freedom really means to them.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Like you know what I mean. And like you said
with Snowfall, Frank, it was like you're all free. I
don't have nothing. And I'm like, yo, bro, I'm gucci.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I mean, I'm sure that that trauma was starting to
catch up with him, you know, and it's.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And you know what I mean, And I feel like,
you know, sometimes you cope with it and like you know,
and and probably him going to jail finally realize like, oh,
you know what, I don't need this person in my life.
I don't need this person in my life, you know
what I mean, et cetera, et cetera. So we're gonna
get We're gonna keep it moving people. Let me ask
you this, Oh man, it's cancel culture a curse or cleanse?
(17:56):
Talk to me, sir, it's canceled culture people a.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Cleanse.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't even know what I said. A cleanse or
a curse.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I think it's both more of a curse than a cleanse, because, right,
I do think we need to cleanse the things that
we don't want in society.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But when does it go too far?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Okay? Right?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And I only speak for.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Myself, right, I feel like everybody is so PC they
don't want to say what they mean, and it's all
being bottled up at the end of day, and all
that negativity where does it go? Doesn't go anywhere except
within you? And sometimes you're gonna snap. And I think
a lot of people are snapping. And so I mean
I snapped. I come and speak for myself, and so
I say it's more of a curse at least for
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the regular lay people, because like, for example, like the
most common thing I my brother's on the Reddit the
other day and the girls were asking in Boston, other
guys are approaching and all the guys in the comments
was like, we well, gus think we're creeps. We can't
we don't want to approach, like what if we get labeled,
what if we get canceled? Like that's every men's fear
to get canceled. I'm like, oh, you're you're not famous
enough to get canceled, bro Like, but I get it
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because it's in your face and you assume that it's.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Going to ruin your life.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
And so I think that's where it became a curse,
is that a lot of the social things are not
really being evolved or going back to I mean, I
guess things are changing.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
No, I like that because I feel like I feel like, well,
you can't you can't get canceled in so Mu's group chat,
cancel guys, be beware, like you get canceled as always
group chat. But to piggyback what you said, I do think.
I do think it's both. I think it's both a
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curse and a cleanse, you know, I feel like you know,
it's it's a curse for a lot of people that
are afraid that they may get canceled, but as a
cleanse for a lot of people that are ignorant to
what's right and what's wrong, Like you know what I mean,
And it's it's one of those things where like, guys,
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there's certain things where some certain certain things shouldn't be said,
and we we all know that certain things should be
it shouldn't be said, it should be behind closed doors,
within your peers and all that stuff. But if you
put it out there in front for everybody to see
and don't think that you're gonna get any type of scrutiny,
then you're you're you're a fool, like, you know what
(20:21):
I mean? And I feel like a lot of that.
I do feel like those type of people need to
be canceled just because of their ignorance to not you know,
not even educating yourself, but like not be wary of
your audience.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Like you want to ask you a question, Right, who
gets to determine right and wrong? And how far can
you go with that?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Like, because everybody's definition of right or wrong is unique
to them.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Correct, And that's and that's fair, that's valid, you know
what I mean. You're never going to seek one hundred approval,
You're not. However, I do feel like there's certain things
that we can all agree on it.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, it's gonna be more.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Sixty forty versus fifty fifty, Like you know what I mean. So,
with that being said, if you're gonna, if you're gonna
have that conversation with somebody, like I feel like you
shouldn't shouldn't be doing that, Like you know what I mean,
You shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You should not.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Be talking about something that you feel it is gonna
get you into trouble, Like if you feel like it's
gonna get you into trouble, like idea, you should have
an idea, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I feel like a lot of us are clickbaiting, Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Like they're trying to start the part, they're trying to
stirt the part, and you know, they try to double
back and.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Be like, oh my god, I didn't think it was
agnil like and I'm like, really, bro, like you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So, and like I said, people like I'm not telling
you not to speak your mind and do all that
extra stuff, but you know, just be mindful of the
things that you say, like you know what I mean, Like,
I'm not gonna sit here and say something that is
going to potentially get me into a riff where it's
just like a tug of war, Like oh my god,
what you say was wrong, and I'm like, okay, cool,
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like but so like I you know what I mean.
And we were talking about the whole thing, like being
politically correct, and it's tough. It's tough not to be
politically correct, and it's tough to just to be mindful
of it. But I tell people like this, and I'm
telling you guys, just do your research. Man, do your research,
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and you know, when you have your research, just back
it up with just mindful thinking in a thought process, like, Yo,
this is how I feel, this is what I think.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I agree, I like it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I'm gonna say, be toxic personally. And the reason why
I said that is where we lack I personally think
we lack freedom and authenticity.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's like, Yo, I get it. There's certain things I
agree with you that you shouldn't be saying. But at
the end of the day, I think you need to
test the boundaries, see how far you can go, and
then see how it affects people. And then didn't decide
for yourself is this something I want to continue or not? Right,
don't go on and and and and saying that, like,
at least for myself.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Right, It's like I've toned down.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Myself a lot to make other people feel comfortable, correct,
and they don't do the same in reverse, right, because
we're mindful, right, But I can't say the whole everybody's mindful.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Right. It was like, oh, what it is?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And the only you know, the funny thing is right
because I'm with him on this one is because you know,
I tend to do a lot of things that you know,
I could could could cross the line in like the
fitness world and the fitness community.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
But whatever, stop playing.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Check this man, y'all. He's capping to y'all. Know he's
capping to y'all.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But no, but no, to be fair, I pushed them.
I pushed the push to me.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
You do you do and you know take it to
the place where you know, I think that all cool.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I'm gonna try this. I'm trying. I'm trying this. I'm
trying to but we're gonna talk more about that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
We're gonna talk about Listen, guys, we go out of
this rapid fire short answers people, Okay, let's do it.
It's healing, the new delusion, Yes, okay, therapy or tequila tequila,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Loyalty rare or extinct, rare, rare?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like it? It's clout the new currency. Yeah, would you
take one million or true love?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's a tough one. But I'm gonna go with my
instinct and take one million.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Success is success lonely allowed, it's lonely. Who's scarier? Your
bills or your ex?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Definitely my bills. I can deal with the acts.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Is karma a ghost or a guess?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I say a ghosts Okay? I like it?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And are we living or are we performing?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We're doing both? We're doing both.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I like that. Listen to answer your question. Is healing
the is healing the new delusion? Yes, I would take therapy.
I would take to kill over therapy. Loyalty is rare.
Clout is definitely the new currency. I'm taking a mill
(25:34):
over true love because you.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Know, whatever.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Success, success is lonely. Success is lonely. In my case,
what's scary? My bills are super scary?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Karma?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Karma's a guest. Karma's a guest. And are we living
or performing? In my personal opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm living.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm living, you know, as much as I've perform on whatever.
But I feel like I live more than I perform.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
That's interesting because I don't know if you hear the quote,
it's like I might butcher it. But with all the
words of stage, we're all just actors playing a role.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I think they're gonna fortune for listen fans before we
get out of here, Do you have anything toxic or
positive to say.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Sir, I'm gonna say it's both right. It's like, bring
them out.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Like I said earlier, be toxic, Be the best version
of yourself. Don't be humble, let them be humble. You
be great because at the end of the day, when
you're great, they're gonna try to throw some mud at you.
They're gonna try to bring you down.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Sometimes you gotta be talks and say, yo, get out
of my way. You're not on my level.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
And that's okay because at the end of the day,
they can't see the vision that you have in your life.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You're a leader, not a follower. It's that simple. It's
a little bit of both.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Damn, yo, I feel like, Yo, you had that was
a ball.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean, that's how I speak to myself, you know, Okay,
let me see, let me see what I have.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I have. I got nothing to top that, bro, Like,
I got nothing to top that, man.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I got none of the to my notes, like, yo,
I ain't got none of the top that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And you guys know what, I'm usually toxic, But.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
In retrospect to what we said, people, I just think
some of us, some of us are not healing. Some
of us are just haunting new people with old wolves.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Preach, preach.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's all it is, man, That's all I got for you, guys. Man,
I want to thank you guys for rocking out with
us for another episode of beings consequence off the books.
I got fronts in the building, man, where it flow
at France? On I g or YouTube flow at France? Okay,
I'm gona put it right there at the bottom. Anything else,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You guys want to be great, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Dam that's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Listen, man, Happy Halloween to you guys, Man trick or
treade man, be safe out there until next time.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Salutations. Mum hum m m hm hm
Of A J. McLaughlin. I'm Ryan Rue, I'm DJ Rich.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Receive the tough fo of Clenney Martinez and we are
the hosts of the Pinions of Consequences, the podcast, the
show where Europeans can lead to consequences.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
So choose your words wisely, enjoy the show.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you, hey, guys, Ben, Welcome back to another episode
of A Penisa Consequences Off the books, I mean host
Agri McLoughlin. Guys, I got a guess in the building.
I want to welcome France to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man. I'm doing great, bro. I just wanna say thank you, Oh,
thank you, sir. You know it's an honor to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Dodd, you know. Okay, so you're giving me my flowery.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
He's been dodging. Mean, he's been dodging mean.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, to be fur people, if you don't. I wanted
to make sure that I had the right, but cial
to actually be able to sit down and interview this
talented individual.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's that's That's what I'm going off of. Is that.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Okay, sir, it's okay. I know you say that to everybody.
It's okay, it's okay. I got it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I got it, yo, but I was everything. Man, it
was great.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It was great.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
There's a lot of introspective work and honestly just loving
this new eraor for me personally, I love it. Yeah,
you know, I know we're gonna talk a little bit
about healing, but I wanted to tell.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You, like, I'm trying to be toxic.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Not that much. We're trying to talk.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
See, I like to see that you guys doing toxic
you know what talks as you have bro like, but
if to hear someone else say they.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Want to be.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
That's what something though, man, like any traveling this this summer,
any traveling homebody, I was trying to get you know,
I'm trying to I feel like, don't do that, don't
try to catch up. To be honest, this is what listen,
this is why I got a hoodie on people because
I knew. I knew he was gonna come in here
soon the guns Yolkcity dot Com.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Hey, I try, I try, I do what I can.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know, any plans for the traveling or like traveling
coming up?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
For the goal not for the hollidays, but my goal
is to go to Columbia because that was a great Hello,
I've been there, It's like, guys, go visit.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm not a passport. Bro't don't judge me.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But just like they said, man, we're gonna get it
on people. Listen, pause, have you on the pause? Man,
We're gonna get into it, guys. Man, this episode is tricks, treats,
and toxic traits.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We're gonna start this conversation off let me out? Is
healing error just.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
A rebrand for avoid accountability season? Once again?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Audience is healing eerr just a rebrand for avoid accountability season?
Talk to me, fro us, what's your take on this
big dog?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
First, I want to get your take because I want
understand where your point of view is coming from.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So I have an idea of what we're going with us.
I see what he did here, You see what he
did here? Okay, So just to give a little bit
of understanding of the healing portion of it, I just
feel like, you know, a lot of people nowadays are
into this healing error.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I'm on my.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Journey and all that stuff, and with all respects, you
know what I mean, everybody correct, correct, correct. I just
feel like a lot of people are more so not
being accountable for their actions. Yeah, and you know, I
feel like a lot of times it's it's it's a
(03:38):
lot of us. And you know, I'm included. People like
I'm included, He's included, but a lot of us are
How can I put it? Always a victim? I agree, Okay,
you know what I mean, there's too many there's too
many victims out here where I feel like a lot
of us don't take the step back and be like, Okay,
let me understand where I went wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
What can I have better? Like?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And I feel like a lot of us we don't.
We don't never think like that. We always was like,
oh my god, I was mistreated. I was I was
heard he treated me this way or she treated me
that way. This is why I'm in this position when
I think that, you know, I was just three sides
to a story. But I feel that a lot of
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us we don't take accountability for the things that we
could have made an adjustment on.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, and I co signed out with you, okay to
talk to me for me the way I look at
healing her right and you know, to the audience, to
everybody out there, I think it's the ultimate form of
responsibility when you're healing yourself, right, because to the healing
comes from you saying I'm no longer letting other people
write my own story. Right, That's how I see it personally,
(04:50):
because I was a victim myself. I'm a former victim. Guys,
it is what it is. But I realized, like, yo,
people only know what they know, right. They don't know
your person back that, they don't know your story, they
don't know what you're in through, they don't know that
your words.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Had an effect on them.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And so in that aspect, I was like, all right,
I'm gonna stop blaming everybody else because I can't control
everybody else. Only person I can control is me on
these two hands, if you want, on these hands. But
I say that because right, because like when you're healing,
I think the first step as you take accountability and
responsibility in your health.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And I'll let you I'm no and I'm with you
on that. I'm with you, I'm with you. But how
many people do you take that accountability a life? And
that's the thing there, So like you.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Said it, you said it like it's the first step
is to take that accountability. I feel like a lot
of us we don't take that accountability and and and
correct me.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
If I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
People, There's there's multiple different reasons where I feel like
a lot of a lot of us don't take accountability
for our actions because maybe you by fessing up to
something with your partner or someone that you adore or admire,
they might not be the same adult that you are
and they may hold it over your head like a halo.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And then I know a lot of people that do that.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Like, I know a lot of people that will sit
there like if you be like, yo, you know what
my fault frogs, I messed that up. I messed that up.
You'd be like, ah, it's all good, but then you'll
keep bringing it up.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, but see, that's that's nasty, that's not I think right.
What you're saying is like they lack the awareness.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Correct, And that's what I'm saying though.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But then for them to lack the awareness of you
being accountable for your mistakes, your actions, it doesn't allow
you to grow in a sense that you know what,
I'm not even gonna hold I'm not gonna hold myself
accountable no more because I know this person's gonna hold
this over my head.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
But like at the end the day. You can't control people,
big facts, right, you really can't. You can only control yourself.
And when you're controlling yourself, you got to understand likes
for me, Like we're just talking about it the other day, right,
is that someone starts telling me bullshit me lies. I
was like, huh, okay, all right, you have a great day, right,
I don't care what they have to say. It doesn't
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have it doesn't affect me anymore. It's realizing that it's
no more humbling yourself and making it's putting yourself on
the pedal stal because you're the king, you're the prize
and understanding other people are not going to do the
work that you've been doing in your own life. And
so it's just what it is like you you accept
not everybody's willing to pick up their cross and carry it.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Okay, then listen, we're gonna you see this. You see
what I'm talking about. You see how we came with
these bars?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
No, no, no, that's God got God give it to
the most high.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Okay, guys, listen, we're gonna have some fun with this though,
because because we're in the spirit of Halloween, I'm gonna
ask you Franz. First, yeah, if exes, if if your
ex were horror villains, who would yours be?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Now?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Hold on, but while you're thinking about that, audience, hear
me out. If your exes were a hard villain, it
could be ghost Face, leather Face and a bell, I
don't know, Chucky all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Who would your ex be? And why? Please leave it
in the comments below, people, I need to hear this.
France talk to me.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So my first instinct, right, talk about instinct with the
Bride of Chucky because she's a little crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But you know, I think we all like a little crazy, right,
some of.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But then I was just like probably a mixture between
the Bride of Chucky and Hally Quinn and this the
Bride of Chucky is the horror side and the Hally
Queen is the bad girls side, because you know, I mean,
I think I'm like, I know, I have my problems, guys.
You know I like toxic women just a little bit, a.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Little bit, just a little bit, just a little bit.
Take a little people, I'm gonna cheers you why you're
taking a sip?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Oh yeah, let me take a sip too.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But here you go, clink.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I was really thinking about it, because it's like, no
matter what when you when you're with a girl like
she really loves you, she's gonna act crazy, right.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Because that's how she shows her love.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Because it's an emotional experience versus if your girl's not
giving you any energy, that's a that's a reflect in
my opinion, you.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's what talk. That's what we're talking. I'm with you
want to. I'm what you want to.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So you're saying like your accommodation of your excess, like
Holly Quin being chucky.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I ain't gonna lie to you. Listen. One of them
was chucky for me. One of them was chucky. She
was five two.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
She thought she ran the whole block, talking about you
ain't gonna find no one else better, and all this
stuff you already know how to if if she sounds
like a twin of your ex please let me know, gentlemen.
But little did she know like she was. She was
not a builder bear. She was building bay that went road.
That's that was one of them. And then I had
(09:48):
I had.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The other one was jigsaw. Jigsaw.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
She was a manipulative master of mind, like a master mind,
like one of those that the type energy tell me,
do you want to play a game?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Like you know what I mean, I want to play
a game.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
She always hit you with the like you know, the
riddles and the puzzles and all this stuff, trying to
have you apologize the stuff that you never even did,
Like that's wild, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
If she sounds like a twin, let me know, sir.
My question for you, when did you notice the pattern?
And like I got a get out of this?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't think. I feel like you sometimes you try to.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You try to build certain walls to try to like
gauge yourself, but like you know, when you see something up.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
In hand, like where you're like, oh my god, another
jigsaw and.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You're just like you you prep yourself mentally, like you're like, yo, hey,
what level do you want to go with this?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Like there was six saws? Was it like six saws?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think there's more.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But right, I'm straight. I'm straight on part one. I'm done.
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Part one is good. Part one is good for me.
If there's a part two, I'm good, Ma, I'm good.
But I just feel like a lot of times you
could you could gauge that in terms of to see
which horror villain they are within the first two three conversations. Yeah,
you could, like, and it depends, like once again, people
(11:16):
how intimate and how deep the conversations are. But I
feel like a lot of them. You can you could gauge.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, but I also feel like you have the glasses on,
like you know, everything's pretty.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
You don't see the red flies. You don't want to.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
See the red flies because like, oh man, Jesus, just amazing,
you know, And then so the.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Cracks start to slip a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, no, and I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I just feel like a lot of us we you know,
like we were talking a little bit earlier, like we're
all out of the box. Bro, Like if we're all
at best Buy, we're all open box. We're all open box.
Some of' is just in the chords like some as
some don't come in four K, some's just ten ad
B like but you gotta understand, like, bro, that's it, bro,
Like do you want.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
To deal with Chucky? Yes? Or no? That's it? Like no,
but but but see that's what I'm saying. I like,
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
A lot of us try no, I could change Chucky,
maybe and that's the problem. That's where we run into
this problem at a big age where we're like, yo, damn,
I can't change Chucky.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Chucky's cooked just cooked food.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Listen, we're gonna keep it moving. But guy's remember make
sure you tag your horror X.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
What is? What is it? What is what is your ex? Man?
Is she? Is he? Or she? Whatever?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm looking forward to the comments. Guys.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
All right, let me ask you this, this is deep,
This is this is deep past.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Would you sell your soul or time.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
For financial freedom? And what is your definition of financial
freedom because you know they're all different.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't sell my soul that
shi its priceless for my time for sure, like you
can have my time right. For me, freedom is spending
the time with the people you love and being able
to do the things that you want to do right
because I think I think at the end of the day,
you you want to be going after goals regardless, but
you won't have the freedom to go after whatever you want.
(13:13):
You want to create because I think every like every
one of us is meant to create and evolve, and
if we're not doing that and we're you know, we're
just trying to survive. That financial freedom kind of gives
you that personally.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I like that. I like that. I'm with you on that.
I wouldn't sell my soul. I will definitely sell my time.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I do feel like real freedom isn't in your bank,
ye you know, like like he said, like you know,
is the time that you spend with others, the time
that you spend with yourself as well too, like you know,
like I feel like a lot of us we sell
our soul for a lot of different things, like and
I feel like, you know, I feel like a lot
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of us sell our soul for for fame, which could
lead to financial freedom in the sense of whatever you
define financial freedom. But that's where that's where the actual
(14:17):
taker has to determine whe wasn't worth it or not,
you know what I mean. And usually, like you're selling
your soul and all that stuff, you know, Usually, like
you know, as you can see people, the more famous,
the more money you get, the the less mental state
that you're gonna have. Like, yo, you're gonna you're gonna
(14:37):
be in a You're gonna be in the worse mental state.
And and I'm not saying that that's for everybody. But
I feel like a lot of people that have this
fame and fortune, they don't really get to live their life.
I agree to the fullest that they want to agree.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
I mean, if I could have the financial freedom and
nobody knew about me, that'd be amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
On debts, which someone's gonna know, you know what I mean,
your name is gonna come across board, and then.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You know it's regardless.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Like in people, you don't understand, like you have to
understand the fact that just because you're not famous in
the limelight does not mean you're not famous with the IRRs.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You're not famous with you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Like there's a lot of like there's a lot of
different fame that you can have. You know, they're like, oh, okay,
you spend a little bit bread over here, But yeah,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I can't. Like I'm a I'm a side with you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'll definitely do time because I feel like we do
time all the time, like you know what I mean,
Like for financial freedom people, I know people that we
all know somebody that does.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Two three jobs and and.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You know what I mean, it's for all different reasons,
but at the same time, they're selling their time to
probably gain a little bit of leverage so that they
could have a happier, healthier lifestyle, you know what I mean. So,
and that may come down to what their financial freedom,
finishing of financial freedom is.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But you hey, I can disagree, you know, I do
not disagree. Well, you can disagree, though you're right, but
I choose not to because you know, I don't know
if you see you've seen snowfalls, you've seen I'm assuming
it's a popular show, right, It's like at the end,
you know when uh, Frank Frank is like, I'm free, right,
It's it's it's he didn't have the money, he lost everything,
(16:26):
and he's saying I'm free.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
And I think we all have that freedom.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
But I feel like it's that freedom for a lot
of us is tied to the financial or the outcomes
that we're looking for in our lives. But we're already free, right,
Like you don't need the stuff. This stuff is just
a bonus. It's a plus.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And that's and that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Because even it was it was funny because it was
funny that you say that because they asked Mike Tyson
when when like when do you feel like you was
you was the most free, he said when I was
in jail.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I remember saying that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah. It was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
He said, Bro, I didn't owe nobody. No one came
looking for me. I didn't. And it's and bro, and
like you don't really think about it, guys, Like and
that's why I said financial freedom or freedom to everybody subjective,
because you know, it depends on whatever this person's going through.
He or she's gonna determine what freedom really means to them.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Like you know what I mean. And like you said
with Snowfall, Frank, it was like you're all free. I
don't have nothing. And I'm like, yo, bro, I'm gucci.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I mean, I'm sure that that trauma was starting to
catch up with him, you know, and it's.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And you know what I mean, And I feel like,
you know, sometimes you cope with it and like you know,
and and probably him going to jail finally realize like, oh,
you know what, I don't need this person in my life.
I don't need this person in my life, you know
what I mean, et cetera, et cetera. So we're gonna
get We're gonna keep it moving people. Let me ask
you this, Oh man, it's cancel culture a curse or cleanse?
(17:56):
Talk to me, sir, it's canceled culture people a.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Cleanse.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't even know what I said. A cleanse or
a curse.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I think it's both more of a curse than a cleanse, because, right,
I do think we need to cleanse the things that
we don't want in society.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But when does it go too far?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Okay? Right?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And I only speak for.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Myself, right, I feel like everybody is so PC they
don't want to say what they mean, and it's all
being bottled up at the end of day, and all
that negativity where does it go? Doesn't go anywhere except
within you? And sometimes you're gonna snap. And I think
a lot of people are snapping. And so I mean
I snapped. I come and speak for myself, and so
I say it's more of a curse at least for
(18:42):
the regular lay people, because like, for example, like the
most common thing I my brother's on the Reddit the
other day and the girls were asking in Boston, other
guys are approaching and all the guys in the comments
was like, we well, gus think we're creeps. We can't
we don't want to approach, like what if we get labeled,
what if we get canceled? Like that's every men's fear
to get canceled. I'm like, oh, you're you're not famous
enough to get canceled, bro Like, but I get it
(19:04):
because it's in your face and you assume that it's.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Going to ruin your life.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
And so I think that's where it became a curse,
is that a lot of the social things are not
really being evolved or going back to I mean, I
guess things are changing.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
No, I like that because I feel like I feel like, well,
you can't you can't get canceled in so Mu's group chat,
cancel guys, be beware, like you get canceled as always
group chat. But to piggyback what you said, I do think.
I do think it's both. I think it's both a
(19:39):
curse and a cleanse, you know, I feel like you know,
it's it's a curse for a lot of people that
are afraid that they may get canceled, but as a
cleanse for a lot of people that are ignorant to
what's right and what's wrong, Like you know what I mean,
And it's it's one of those things where like, guys,
(20:00):
there's certain things where some certain certain things shouldn't be said,
and we we all know that certain things should be
it shouldn't be said, it should be behind closed doors,
within your peers and all that stuff. But if you
put it out there in front for everybody to see
and don't think that you're gonna get any type of scrutiny,
then you're you're you're a fool, like, you know what
(20:21):
I mean? And I feel like a lot of that.
I do feel like those type of people need to
be canceled just because of their ignorance to not you know,
not even educating yourself, but like not be wary of
your audience.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Like you want to ask you a question, Right, who
gets to determine right and wrong? And how far can
you go with that?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Like, because everybody's definition of right or wrong is unique
to them.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Correct, And that's and that's fair, that's valid, you know
what I mean. You're never going to seek one hundred approval,
You're not. However, I do feel like there's certain things
that we can all agree on it.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, it's gonna be more.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Sixty forty versus fifty fifty, Like you know what I mean. So,
with that being said, if you're gonna, if you're gonna
have that conversation with somebody, like I feel like you
shouldn't shouldn't be doing that, Like you know what I mean,
You shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You should not.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Be talking about something that you feel it is gonna
get you into trouble, Like if you feel like it's
gonna get you into trouble, like idea, you should have
an idea, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I feel like a lot of us are clickbaiting, Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Like they're trying to start the part, they're trying to
stirt the part, and you know, they try to double
back and.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Be like, oh my god, I didn't think it was
agnil like and I'm like, really, bro, like you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So, and like I said, people like I'm not telling
you not to speak your mind and do all that
extra stuff, but you know, just be mindful of the
things that you say, like you know what I mean, Like,
I'm not gonna sit here and say something that is
going to potentially get me into a riff where it's
just like a tug of war, Like oh my god,
what you say was wrong, and I'm like, okay, cool,
(22:06):
like but so like I you know what I mean.
And we were talking about the whole thing, like being
politically correct, and it's tough. It's tough not to be
politically correct, and it's tough to just to be mindful
of it. But I tell people like this, and I'm
telling you guys, just do your research. Man, do your research,
(22:29):
and you know, when you have your research, just back
it up with just mindful thinking in a thought process, like, Yo,
this is how I feel, this is what I think.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I agree, I like it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I'm gonna say, be toxic personally. And the reason why
I said that is where we lack I personally think
we lack freedom and authenticity.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's like, Yo, I get it. There's certain things I
agree with you that you shouldn't be saying. But at
the end of the day, I think you need to
test the boundaries, see how far you can go, and
then see how it affects people. And then didn't decide
for yourself is this something I want to continue or not? Right,
don't go on and and and and saying that, like,
at least for myself.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Right, It's like I've toned down.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Myself a lot to make other people feel comfortable, correct,
and they don't do the same in reverse, right, because
we're mindful, right, But I can't say the whole everybody's mindful.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Right. It was like, oh, what it is?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And the only you know, the funny thing is right
because I'm with him on this one is because you know,
I tend to do a lot of things that you know,
I could could could cross the line in like the
fitness world and the fitness community.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
But whatever, stop playing.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Check this man, y'all. He's capping to y'all. Know he's
capping to y'all.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But no, but no, to be fair, I pushed them.
I pushed the push to me.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
You do you do and you know take it to
the place where you know, I think that all cool.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I'm gonna try this. I'm trying. I'm trying this. I'm
trying to but we're gonna talk more about that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
We're gonna talk about Listen, guys, we go out of
this rapid fire short answers people, Okay, let's do it.
It's healing, the new delusion, Yes, okay, therapy or tequila tequila,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Loyalty rare or extinct, rare, rare?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Like it? It's clout the new currency. Yeah, would you
take one million or true love?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That's a tough one. But I'm gonna go with my
instinct and take one million.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Success is success lonely allowed, it's lonely. Who's scarier? Your
bills or your ex?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Definitely my bills. I can deal with the acts.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Is karma a ghost or a guess?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I say a ghosts Okay? I like it?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And are we living or are we performing?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We're doing both? We're doing both.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I like that. Listen to answer your question. Is healing
the is healing the new delusion? Yes, I would take therapy.
I would take to kill over therapy. Loyalty is rare.
Clout is definitely the new currency. I'm taking a mill
(25:34):
over true love because you.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Know, whatever.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Success, success is lonely. Success is lonely. In my case,
what's scary? My bills are super scary?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Karma?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Karma's a guest. Karma's a guest. And are we living
or performing? In my personal opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm living.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm living, you know, as much as I've perform on whatever.
But I feel like I live more than I perform.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
That's interesting because I don't know if you hear the quote,
it's like I might butcher it. But with all the
words of stage, we're all just actors playing a role.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I think they're gonna fortune for listen fans before we
get out of here, Do you have anything toxic or
positive to say.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Sir, I'm gonna say it's both right. It's like, bring
them out.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Like I said earlier, be toxic, Be the best version
of yourself. Don't be humble, let them be humble. You
be great because at the end of the day, when
you're great, they're gonna try to throw some mud at you.
They're gonna try to bring you down.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Sometimes you gotta be talks and say, yo, get out
of my way. You're not on my level.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
And that's okay because at the end of the day,
they can't see the vision that you have in your life.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You're a leader, not a follower. It's that simple. It's
a little bit of both.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Damn, yo, I feel like, Yo, you had that was
a ball.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean, that's how I speak to myself, you know, Okay,
let me see, let me see what I have.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I have. I got nothing to top that, bro, Like,
I got nothing to top that, man.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I got none of the to my notes, like, yo,
I ain't got none of the top that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And you guys know what, I'm usually toxic, But.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
In retrospect to what we said, people, I just think
some of us, some of us are not healing. Some
of us are just haunting new people with old wolves.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Preach, preach.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's all it is, man, That's all I got for you, guys. Man,
I want to thank you guys for rocking out with
us for another episode of beings consequence off the books.
I got fronts in the building, man, where it flow
at France? On I g or YouTube flow at France? Okay,
I'm gona put it right there at the bottom. Anything else,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
You guys want to be great, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Dam that's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Listen, man, Happy Halloween to you guys, Man trick or
treade man, be safe out there until next time.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Salutations. Mum hum m m hm hm
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