Curiosity

Today we chat about curiosity

Episode Transcript

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This is a Bramble Jam podcast.You know, Dad, I think part
of being a dad, one ofthe joys and opportunities is to see what
gets your kid excited, and thenyou be curious and eager to go learn
what it is so that you canjoin him in it. Don't be a

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dad who if your kid's really excitedabout something, just goes yah, it's
just not my thing. No,no, no. If it's your kid,
it's your thing. Hey, dad'swelcome to another episode of our Dad's

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Diary. I'm John and the Parker. You're bald, bearded and beautiful host,
and we're hanging out at one ofthe houses I've been staying at on
this journey of displacement. Since it'sbeautiful, it's a gordeous little spot.
This is the first location we haverecorded, despite the fact that I lived
in ten, ten different spots.We should have done that, looking back

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on this, done a little miniepisode in each of the houses where you
were with that I was now,mind you, I didn't think I'd be
in that many houses right now.Some of them were at a state right
there were some of them were bya lake. Though you would have loved
that. Could have brought the girls, But no, this is really exciting.
We are having a ton of funhere in season two, and we
like talking more about topics. Nathanand I talk about stuff all the time.

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That's right. When we're setting up, we're always talking, and we
probably should wear mics because we probablycapture some really solid conto the hot mic
sessions. The hot mic sessions.But it's pretty outstanding. And today we're
talking about one of Nathan's favorite topics. That's right, it's one of your
favorites. Money to tell our listenerswhat we're talking about today. Yes,
so today we're diving into the topicof creativity, which if you have done

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any work or digging into creativity,you know that we're not going to successfully
plumb the depths today. We're justgonna scratch the surface. But I'm looking
forward to it. So we're gonnado creativity or want to do curiosity cure?
Oh no, one of your favoritetopics is also creativity? Do you
want to do creative? I justwant to go way off the cuff.

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Here's what here's what happened. Iwas on a podcast. My friends have
a podcast. Here's here's the shamelessplug. Yeah, let's pitch it.
My friends have a podcast called ExplainYourself. Explain Yourself, Plain Yourself,
which is great. They're two recoveringeducators like I am, and we are
just getting they're still working in education, but they started this project and it's

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a it's a podcast where they bringpeople on and say, all right,
explain yourself, like, explain yourcareer, your topic, whatever. So
anyway, I was on their podcastto talk about creativity. Oh and so
that was good. That was afun conversation. And then on the other
podcast that I co host with,here's so here's another shame shameless plug.

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Right, so the Fearless Year.Yeah, go listen to our friend,
our mutual friend, Nathan and myfriend also your friend, doctor Rebecca hys
right crushing the Fearless Year. Sowe had recently the episode is not live
yet, but we recently had aconversation with someone on creativity. So it's
all running together and our listeners shouldbe curious and go listen to these other
podcasts about creativity. Well, letme use that as a as a segue

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and pretend like I planned this,because creativity is lifeless, is nothing without
curiosity, which is our real topic. Yeah, and You've talked a lot
about being permanently curious for as longas I've known you. So why don't
you help our guests, our guests, I'm your guests, our listeners understand
what does this mean to be permanentlycurious? And how listen? I don't

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I don't think anything's by accident.You and I know that. I do
think there is a healthy balance hereof curiosity and creativity. Sure that you
can't actually be creative without being curious, and once you are curious, you
have to be creative. Right,So I don't think that we're talking about
two different things. Sure I willbe pithy enough to say, oh yeah,
maybe two sides of the same coin. But I don't think they're mutually
exclusive. So talk about this ideaof being permanently curious. Yeah, So

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that's kind of an idea I've beenplaying around with in my own life and
in education, and then in workingwith, not working with, and raising
my kids and thinking about how Iwant to raise them and what values I
want to make sure are in theforefront of their minds and in our home.
And the idea of being curious isgreat. I love curiosity, but

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a lot of times, curiosity canwane when you narrow your life focus or
your study focus, or your opportunityfocus down. So when you're in school,
you know, people ask you allthe time, what do you want
to be when you grow up?What are you interested in? What's your
passion? YadA, YadA. Andthen you get older and older and you
get the high school and those questionsbecome more pointed. It's not oh,

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what do you like? It getswhat are you gonna do? Right?
At seventeen, you're supposed to knowexactly what you're supposed to do right.
So then once you figure that outostensibly, then you go to college,
you go to trade school, whateverit is, and then you're kind of
locked in, right and it's youknow, you're off to the races with
college. Maybe you change your majora little bit here and there, but
for the most part, people arelike, all right, if you need

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to get things together right, quitbeing I mean nobody says this out loud,
right, but essentially it's quit beingcurious about your place in this world,
what you're going to do, andget serious about becoming a grown up
because that's what you're supposed to bedoing. So the idea I try to
embody myself. And you know,when I was working with students to impart

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to them, and of course youknow with my kids. Is the idea
of being permanently curious that's really goodand putting this stamp on your sense of
identity, that is, I willalways be more curious than certain, right,
I will always be more curious thanright, always be more curious than
dogmatic. And if we can holdto that, it doesn't mean we don't

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have beliefs. It doesn't mean wedon't have conviction, It doesn't mean we
don't learn and become more wise,but it means we're always willing to be
open handed and to say, ah, what is it that I don't know
that I could know about the situation? Right? And then we eager And
I'm stealing this because you read methe definition the dictionary dictionary definition, and

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I'll let you get to that rightof this statement. But what is the
what is the element of eagerly leaninginto the question mark or the wonder of
a situation or an idea or atopic. Yeah, you know, so
I looked up the definition of curiosityor what it means to be curious,
and real simple the eager to beeager, the eagerness to know or learn

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something. And I want to touchon kind of the back end of that
and then swing back to this eagerness. Part part of the reason we need
to be curious people is because wedon't know everything. And it is audacious,
if not arrogant, to assume thatyou can go through life knowing everything
there is to know by the timeyou're twenty five and you cease being curious

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or seventy five, Like if you'rean older dad, listen to it right
now and you think, oh,I've learned everything. No, you haven't.
If you're still living, there's stillthings to learn. And the idea
of curiosity for me is a youknow, being permanently curious puts you in
that position of being curious or permanentlyhumble yep, because you realize that you
have to go through life. Yes, there are some things you're gonna wrap

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your hands around, right. SoI have a set of beliefs right that
I wrap my hands around. Butthat set of beliefs, the core elements
of those are a lot fewer thanthey were, say, a decade ago.
And that's because when you become curiousat other things you realize, well,
hold on, wait, what's coreversus what's you know adjacent is totally

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different. So what I'm curious aboutnow is this idea of there's so much
more I need to know. Soyou know, Dad's there's ways you can
learn more stuff, right. Youcan watch documentaries, you can listen to
podcasts, you can read books,you can read articles, you can talk
to other experts. Showing yourself assomeone who doesn't know something. The paradox

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is that appears in your mind asweakness, But the paradox is that's actually
strange. And Berne Brown talks aboutthis all the time. Yeah, that
when you are vulnerable and saying youknow what, I just don't know,
that is an invitation. And yes, some people might have been burned by
this, right, because some peopleare jerks and they take your vulnerability and

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they expose it and they're they're abusivewith it. But most people, when
you expose that vulnerability is like,hey, I need to know. So
I'm curious about someone because I don'tknow it. I'm curious about it because
I don't I don't know, Ihaven't learned how to do it. Typically,
the people who get to share thatwith you, are joyful in being
able to show you they're not.They don't feel burdened. They feel an

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opportunity to teach somebody something because theywere eager to know it. And we'll
come back to this eagerness piece.But Nathan, as you're thinking about this
idea of knowing and learning and beinghumble and being permanently curious, or this
idea of being permanently a learner ofwhat you don't know, how do you
see that impacting dads, you know, especially now as you have some young
girls. But then moving forward,Yeah, I think sometimes so when we're

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little kids, we our dads aresort of the paragon of knowledge, right,
I mean, our parents our kidsthink we're like the smartest people in
the world. Right. And Idon't want to exclude or downplay moms because
listen, number one, in manyhomes, the mom is the one who's
around more, you know, functionallyspeaking, and she is the font of

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wisdom and knowledge within that context too. So our parents are the seemingly infallible
sources of wisdom, knowledge, etcetera. And I think where things get
toxic is when the parents start tobelieve that too. It makes sense when
the kid believes it because you arethe authority figure. You're the one who

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is there on the scene. You'rethe source of I mean, source of
life, sort of sustenance, sourceof knowledge, problem solving, all those
things. But it's when the parentstarts to believe that they're the source of
wisdom and knowledge and all things thatthings get toxic, And it gets toxic
real quick to where you know,you know, this is this, this

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is the rule because I said so, and this is the way it is,
and whatever. Now I get it. There's a time to say,
like, hey, right, there'sa time to say we're just we're done
with the conversation. Let's move on, because they are sometimes six and seven
years old, right um. Butfor a parent, I think to bring
it back around. For a parent, one of the best tools in your

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arsenal to model curiosity and to modelhumility for your kids when they ask you
something and you don't immediately know theanswer, or even if you know a
little bit of the answer, oneof the best tools in your toolbox is,
hey, that's a great question.That's right. That is such a
good question you and and highlight andcelebrate the question asking right, Hey,
thank you so much. You Okay, let me understand. You ask this

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question about this thing. Did Iget that right? Okay, Yeah,
that's a really good question. Here'swhat I know, right, and then
you can explain, you know,you do know a little bit about whatever
it is, but here's what evenI don't know, and I'm curious about
it, and I wonder what elseis out there? And then you can
model to them, you know,something as simple as pulling out your phone

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and doing a Google search. Myou know, we don't have to get
into the reliability of sources here,but yeah, cross check if you're going
factual, right, right? Right? But um, but anyway, that's
a great question. I think that'sone of the that's an underrated tool in
a parent's arsenal Right. When Ilook at my kids, they are curious,

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and they're curious on multiple different aspects. But what will continue to fuel
that curiousity is how I respond tothe curiosity. And I think that idea
of hey, that's a great question, let's learn about that together. You
know what's interesting, Dad's is sometimesthat idea of learning together is also one
of the tricks you can do withyour kids because you might know the answer

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right, like right off the top, but there's something special about And I've
done this a couple times with Titusspecifically because he's older, Judah getting into
it. I'll say, you knowwhat, that's a great question. Let's
go let's go figure that out together, and I will invite them into the
discovery And this is the other sideof the know and learned piece before we

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kind of get to this eagerness side. When you know or learn something,
it's like being on a journey anadventure. It's a discovery piece, and
there's a lot of things just what'sthe phrase, we're spoon fed, right,
which it feels slightly insulting, butit is kind of what's happening.
We're so busy, we don't havemargin. We're in a hurry, right,

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We've got a lot of anxiety,and we'll just take things that are
easily given to us. And mostdads don't go on a journey with their
kids, or they want to,they just don't know how. And one
of the easiest ways to do that, dads is when your kids demonstrate a
curious question or some curiosity, goon the journey with them, invite them

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into the journey. And go learnit together, because there's something really special
about discovering it with your kid that'sdifferent if you knew the answer. There's
something special about watching your kid's eyeslight up when they're like, whoa,
that's what it means, you know, one of the ways for us.
So we're a big cooking family.And Jessica has been battling some health issues

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she couldn't be in our house.And I was in the house with the
boys for a little bit and Iwas cooking dinner and Titus, you know,
I know how to cook because Ihad an awesome mum, and I
worked in a restaurant and my wife'schef, so she's taught me some things.
So I've had a lot of influence. And Titus asked me this question
about like saulteing chicken or something likethat, you know, searing chicken and

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some malive oil. And I said, and I knew anadotically the answer.
I'm like, oh, yeah,you like wait for the pan to heat
up and like I can just tellwhen it's hot, and you know,
I'm so and somewhere, and heasked about a pan being heated anyway.
What was cool was we went andsat down. I pulled up Google and
I typed in something about cooking,and he was stunned. He said,

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all because I'm scrolling through the rest. He's like, does all that all
of that matters when you're cooking.I said, oh yeah, and he
said, okay, so you gotyour pan and you got your oil,
and he started going through what Iknew already, and I realized how much
I would have left out just givinghim the answer. Now, as Nathan's

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already said, sometimes you just haveto give the answer. Sure, but
when you have the opportunity and it, you know Dad's it should be more
regular. You should just create moretime to go on the curiosity journey with
them for discovery. I realized thatthe discovery is so important because I have
a tendency to leave things out becauseI've already discovered it. I've edited what

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I didn't think was important. Yeah, but for a curious child, everything
is important. And he was juststunned. I mean, down to the
olive oil versus of it, becauseI told him, I know we don't
use alvoil, use avocado oil.He's like, what's the difference. I
would have skipped the oil part.I would have skipped the pan part.
I would have skipped the heat part. I would just would have said,
yeah, you turn it on,wait till it gets hot, and throw

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the chicken on. Right. Butthere's so much more that he was curious
about than just the answer. AndI think that's the key of discovery.
It's not Dad's always about that youhave the right answer. It's that you
went on the journey, the adventureof curiosity. So why do you use
avocado oil instead of olive oil?Jessica says, that's what we do.

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Yeah, yeah, no, soolive oil has a lower you can't get
it as hot, and if youget it that hot, it will smoke
and burn. Yeah. Yeah,where abocado oil you can crank up.
Not as much, I believe,not as much as peanut oil. Okay,
if someone wants to correct me,what about coconut oil? Well,

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just goes allergic to coconut fair enough. So we don't do a lot with
coconuts. But when we did beforeZion was born. And yes, Zion,
you were a cause of mama's allergies. But we'll work through that at
another podcast. That's not his fault, No, it's not, it's your
fault. Jonathan, it is myfault. That's another podcast. Ye.
So coconut oil, though, hasto be slowly heated, okay, or

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you will in essence cooked to coconut. So you can take a coconut fruit
and cook it. I don't knowif it's any good, but with coconut
oil they will. When we wereusing it quite a bit. You had
to keep it real low and letit melt all the way first. Because
coconut oil is mostly likelidified, youwant to make sure it's all melted before

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you start like raising the heat onit. Interesting, Well there that was
my curiosity. Yeah, so welove avocado. It's also higher higher smoke
points, high smoke point and it'sgot different fat qualities to it. And
since we eat mostly like fat LEAsmooly fat like meats and veggies and things
that that fits our lifestyle nice.So yeah, folks, try avocado if

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you haven't given a shot. Yeah, we're gonna keep this conversation going about
dad life, but we're gonna takea quick break. We'll be right.
What do you think about the ideaof going on the adventure with your kids

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and discovering the answer rather than justgiving them then now I love it,
and I think now more than ever, just as in many in many areas
of parenting life, there are somany resources at your disposal to do this
and to do it well. Sothere is a show on Netflix hashtag not
sponsored spot, but if you wantto sponsor us Netflix has I mean,

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we would and be interested, Butwe're not just doing this for the money.
That's right. I love how yousay just for the money, as
if there's money, Well, where'ssome money. Anyway, we look at
all of our fancy equipment. Wespent your money. That's right. That's
right. So there's a show onNetflix called Emily's Wonder Lab. Are you

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into this? No, I've noteven heard of it. Okay, Emily's
Wonder Lab. Yeah. So acouple of reasons I like this show.
Number one, it is short.It's like thirteen minute episodes. Um,
so it's it's easy to say yesto another episode because they're not having to
commit to, you know, athirty minute show. So it's a short
little episodes. It is a Andso there's this scientist. The host is

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Emily, miss Emily or I don'tknow if she is it in the kid's
version one or is it on?I think it's in the kids. I
mean, if you search for itwill show up. Emily's Emily's wondering,
I'm searching for it right now.There was Well, there it is.
It's number two after hour. Yeah, so it's But basically she has,
you know, a group of kidsthere on the ont of the studio set
and they're doing science experiments. Butyou know, she starts out with a

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topic or an idea or an Iwonder, like, hey, what do
you think about this? And theygo through this process of building hypotheses and
then testing them out, and thenthere's always a little sort of takeaway like
hey try this at home situation.So I say all of that to say
not sponsored, Um, there areso many tools at your disposal as apparent.

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If you don't feel adequate to thetask, UM go with In fact,
that's perfect. Or if you don'tfeel adequate to the task of pursuing
curiosity, you're in a great place, yep, because what that means you're
is you're in a similar place toyour kid and you can explore together,
and you can watch these little episodesof the show and say oh interesting,
oh what about that? And thatcan lead you down there this rabbit hole

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of of pursuing resources and trying thingsout and being vulnerable and transparent with your
kid. So that's the first thingthat I that comes to mind, is
that we are we are so equipped, We have so many opportunities to do
this and to do it well.We have no we have very little excuse
other than our own scheduling time,making time to make it happen, and

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realizing how important it is to modelcuriosity and to do curiosity with our kids
exactly. And it's that idea ofshared experience, right. So if you
don't feel adequate or equipped to beable to do this, well, then
go to Netflix something like this andwatch the show. But here's the deal
dads and moms too. If you'regoing to be curious with your kid,
like put your phone down, don'tdo the laundry. Sit there, it's

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thirteen minutes. Sit there, bepresent with your kid. Just don't like
hand your kid off to technology,right, but sit there. But I
want to talk to about this lastpiece that's actually the first part of the
definition. The definition of curiosity iseager to know or learn something new,
right, And I think this isthis eagerness is really important because I don't

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think curiosity, especially for adults,will come naturally or just by accident.
I don't think we will accidentally decideto be curious, you know, after
ten years of not being in Ithink there needs to be this eager pursuit
that we make a choice with joy. Right. When I hear this word
eager, I think joy and happinessall in when I think about this idea

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of eagerness, we have to makethat choice to be eager to go out
and learn things we don't know.But we have to be eager for our
kids too, Meaning in my opinion, when your kids don't know something,
that is an opportunity, that's nota challenge, because if they don't know
something, they I mean, Titusbeen on the world, on this planet

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for seven years, so we're pushingwhat twenty four days maybe, and I've
been on here, you know,thirty sixteen to be thirty seven. It's
so hold I should know more,which means I shouldn't get judgmental or critical
of my seven or my five ormy four year old who doesn't know something.
I should be eager to help themlearn new things. I should be

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they should get nothing but and theydon't. Okay, so wait, hold
on, Just so people aren't gettingthe perspective that I do this like perfectly.
It's something I'm working on when theydon't know something that's going to take
time, that's going to take effort, that's gonna take energy. I want
to display eagerness that it's exciting tolearn something new, and Daddy's excited to
go on this journey with you.It's not that I'm just eager to learn

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stuff for myself because that's easy.I need to be eager for the journey
my kids on. That's a bigdeal. You know those years, you
know, zero to seven, zeroto twelve, you know the years we
get to model for our kids.And we've talked about this in multiple episodes

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and multiple con texts. There arethe things that you say, and then
there are the things that you do, and it's what we model to our
kids that gets baked in and youknow, maybe you'll see it emerge really
quickly. Maybe you won't see itemerge until There are certain traits that I
see in myself that were dormant untilabout like age twenty five, twenty six,

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twenty seven, and then I'd bedriving in my car and like,
notice this little thing that I'm doing. It's this little tick that I have
or this way that I hold thesteering wheel, and I'm like, oh,
that's my dad. Oh I seethat now. And so don't underestimate
how much that modeling is going tosync in and is going to program into
the kids. And so you know, take the time and do it deliberately.

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I love this idea between naturally versusaccidentally. So Jonathan, you said,
you know, this isn't necessarily goingto happen naturally or and then you
sort of amended to the it's notgoing to happen accidentally. And I think
the opportunity in that statement is wecan work on ourselves, and we can
we can work with our kids sothat curiosity, which of course is natural

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by definition, becomes more and morea natural part of our lives, even
past the age where many people leaveit off right, and making sure to
build those neurons and can rewire thebrain to where our first instinct is.
Oh, that's a really good question. Oh, I wonder and I have

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one more one more bit about aboutthis, because I again I mentioned this
sort of zero age zero to seven, zero to twelve zero thirteen. Um,
it's not as if you lose yourchild after age thirteen, right,
Yeah, you're always going to bea parent, right. Um. So
for for me, my I hadan experience in college where I was my

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first job was at a coffee shop. It was a very powerful, very
influential job for me. It's whereI met my wife, where we met
the first that's where well, wellwe met in school, but that's where
we spent quality six hours behind anespresso part exactly. So it was a
very that's again, there are moreepisodes I'm sure bound up in those things.

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But when I was in college andlearning a lot about coffee, and
at the time, we had doyou remember the old manual espresso machine?
Oh, they were the best,so good it is. You can tell
the difference between a manual expresso machineand a barrista who knows what they're doing
and someone who did a button.Yeah, not if you hit a button
or you run a business where youhit a button. But those were the
days, the days, so youknow, I was learning about you know,

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boilers and porta filters and brew headsand steaming and all the stuff.
And I would come home and likeanyone with good news. I wanted to
share the knowledge that I had andwhatnot. So, you know, I
was still living at home at thetime, and so my dad and I
my dad, who I've watched himdrink coffee his whole life, my whole
life, right, and so youknow, I would come home and say,

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oh, I learned about this orI went about that, and then
what I what I didn't know.There's this really interesting, powerful moment where
like at one point, I don'tremember exactly how it went, but my
dad sort of showed me or letme know that he had been like doing
some research on his own, likeas a result coffee on coffee, specifically
on espresso machines, okay, andso he was like, oh, you

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know, I was looking at thisthis one and this model and this model,
and then this one went on sale, and do you want to go
in together and get this espresso machineand grinder and we can sort of learn
together and figure this out, andyou know, all all told like the
whole you know, it's it wasa Rensilio Rocky Um and Sylvia. I

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forget which is one is the grinderand one is the espresso machine. Anyway,
this is an Italian brand and they'rerunning like a deal where you could
get both of these for like itwas like a thousand dollars for the whole
setup, which is it's a goodchunk of chain. Yeah, And so
we went in fifty to fifty,you know, he put in half half
cat Shepherd and have the cash andwe got this and we got it set

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up and dialed in and we workedon the grind and the pressure and the
tamping and all of these things.And we had, you know, this
opportunity to you know, spend timetogether but also to be curious and to
learn more and to you know,taste tests and oh what about that?
Oh yeah, you know that wasa little sharper and a little bitter or
that that espresso shot was was tooyou know, the volume was too high,

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but it wasn't as concentrated all thisstuff. And that happened as a
you know, twenty something college studentwith you know, with his dad there
well after the time where where likewhat we've been talking about with being curious
with our with our younger kids.So it's it's never too late. There's
always an opportunity to dig into thatcuriosity. In that project with your kid.

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Yeah, and I think that thatstory is amazing. You know,
your dad might have not been curiousabout coffee unless you had come home and
shared what you were learning, right, But Dad's I think one of my
big takeaways from that story is thenyour dad made a conscious decision. I'm
going to get excited and learn aboutand know about the thing my kid is
excited about. So Dad's if rightnow you have older kids or even listen,

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this is with my seven year old, right, and he's super into
gymnastics. This is not something thatI was ever like. May I think
I did tumbling maybe, But ifthat's what he's excited about, I'm researching
it and getting excited about it.You know, Dad, I think part
of being a dad, one ofthe joys and opportunities is to see what

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gets your kid excited, and thenyou be curious and eager to go learn
what it is so that you canjoin him in it. Don't be a
dad who, if your kid's reallyexcited about something, just goes, yeah,
it's just not my thing. No, no, no. If it's
your kid, it's your thing.Period. If it's your kid, it's
your thing. Don't be the dadwho says, well, I doesn't want
to learn about or you know,I don't like it. No, no,

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no. If your kid likes it, if your kid's doing it,
you should be eager to learn aboutit. You should be eager to be
part of it because you want yourchild. You want your kid, no
matter what age, to invite youinto their world. But just like Nathan's
dad did. Not only did Nathaninvite his dad into his world, but
his dad said, okay, wait, I can be curious on my own

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and bring something to the table.So Dad's being permanently curious is something I
want you to do for yourself,because you know what, you'll be a
better person for it, just abetter person, better human if you're curious.
But you will be a better dadif you're curious, and you will
be a dad that has influence fora much longer time if you instill in

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your kids this aspect of curiosity andmodel it, demonstrate it, talk about
it, engage it with eagerness toknow and learn something that you don't know.
So, Nathan, as we wrapup this episode, as you've thought
about this idea of curiosity permanently curious, any other final thoughts for our dads
other than the idea that I thoughtit was creativity for the first five minutes

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of the podcast. Pretty great,But you gotta be creative, right,
No, I think that is agood way to end it. I just
remember the wrong topic for the forthe conversation, but it worked out right
because curiosity does lead into creativity.It leads into the way that we shape
and live a creative life and ameaningful life. And that is that is

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the point, right to do thislife with our kids and to be better
for our kids and for the familythat shows up for us, then we
show up for Yeah. And nowthat I know you've done two other podcasts
about creativity, yeah, I'm justgonna interview you about creativity for one of
the next topic. Let's do it. And then I'm going to spring a
new topic on you. Would anymentioned dads go out, be curious,

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love your kids, be kind tothem, open up yourself and open up
them to eagerly knowing and learning newand exciting things. Parker Man, always
remember be kind, give to others, show respect, love your mother,
and never forget your dad is reallyprobably be h our Dad's diaries. A
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See you next week. M h. We're gonna keep this conversation going about

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dad life, but we're gonna takea quick break. We'll be right