August 13, 2025 • 25 mins
Did the US try to buy Cuba? Why isn't Cuba a US Territory or a state? Franklin Pierce offered Spain the equivalent of $5 billion - Spain said, "No thanks." OVV's favorite US history "professor" spins the yarn of political investment in Cuba.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're listening to Evergreen Media Network.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I am Cyndi Schwartz and this is our Veterans Hoys
radio show with your host, Ralph nathan Oko.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hello everybody, this is Ralph your friend. Good afternoon, and
good morning and good evening. I want to share a
few things with you today. I get feedback from some
of our listeners, not a lot, but some of the
feedback is they love the stories that I tell them
when they relate to me, and they're therefore to you.
So with us today we have Patty Patrick McAllister, and
(00:43):
I'll bet you don't know the reason, and Patty will
tell you because I didn't know it either. Do you
know why Cuba is not a state or a territory
of the United States? Now we will defer that for
a minute. I want to share with you. First of all,
always remember in life, perfect is imperfect. There's no one
(01:05):
hundred percent of anything other than the birth than death.
But I want to share with you what just transpired
this year with me and my wife. So I want
to give you hope. You know the song you give
me life, You give me hope. My wife was diagnosed
with sclerosis of the liver just within a month before
(01:27):
COVID hit. Cleveland Clinic in Western has a liver team.
Why because it's only five or six hospitals in the
state of Florida that are qualified to do liver transplants.
And when you have sclerosis of the liver, whether it's
because of alcohol or medicine. In my wife, she took
(01:48):
methotrexate for many years for rheumatoi arthritis and the fatty
liver developed and we were warned ahead of time, but
she couldn't function and without the medicine. We tried all
other medicines. Methotrects sake worked anyway, They saved their life.
So now we're talking about procedures, we're talking about medicine,
(02:13):
We're talking a lot of problems, and Cleveland Clinic kind
of brought the problem to reality. That looked, she can't
have surgery, but we're going to do the best we
can give her as much comfortable mode of life. So
we've lived with it until January of this year. When
(02:34):
I told you my wife had a stroke, I called
up the Indian River Fire Department. Medica came. Every want
to remind you when you think somebody's got a stroke
or a heart attack. Don't think it may go away.
Don't think called nine to one one. What I did?
I said, my name is Ralf Foco, I live at
(02:54):
such and such. I am not a doctor. I think
my wife just had a stroke. Within eight minutes, if
not less, we had an ambulance in front of my
house and within a couple of minutes in the bedroom,
and they were prepared. They checked hers and obviously they
confirmed that the diagnosis by an amateur me was correct.
(03:14):
Apparently they notified the emergency room. By the time my
wife was brought into the emergency room, they confirmed it
and they gave her medication. And that's where I'm coming from.
That medication at the emergency room at Cleveland Clinic, Indian River.
Within three hours after she was brought in, the doctor
came in and my wife was able to move her
(03:35):
right in and right foot a little bit the medication. So,
but that's not where I'm coming from. Well, now we
were two weeks ago, a month ago, my wife is
diagnosed with cataracts. My wife, my doctor Winslow says, hey,
you don't need it, but your condition is kind of
(03:57):
it's gonna get worse. My wife, who's ill says, do
it now. So now we're scheduling everything. But the problem
is that you need to have pre op clearance. Well,
the problem is it's in Western and we live in
Vero Beach, two and a half hours each way. I've
got a seventy five year old woman, a stroke victim
(04:17):
who's got sclerosis of the liver. No surgery possible. So
I call up the office of the primary doctor in
Western and I asked at the office, is it all
right if my wife has her pre op here in
Vero Beach instead of driving to Cleveland clinic in Western
(04:40):
And they said, as long as they can and accept it,
of course. So I call up the Internal Medicine Department,
I explained when I'm just telling you. They look her
up her chart and they said, sure, we can do it,
and I said, the problem is I got to have
it by Friday, because Monday is the last before the
pre opt can be accepted because the surgery is next Wednesday.
(05:04):
Then they said, no problem, can you come in tomorrow morning. Well,
we came in this morning at ten o'clock for an
eleven o'clock appointment. If by eleven fifteen we're out of there.
The loveliest of all the experiences we have. Now, I
know some of us have had horror stories with hospitals
and whatever, including Cleveland Clinic. I am saying to you,
(05:26):
Cleveland Clinic. I'm saying you, the Indian River Fire and Rescue.
I'm saying to you Cleveland Clinic in Western God bless
you and thank you for what you've done. You've given
me hope that there is hope out there, and the
attention and the improvement in Cleveland Clinic Indian River is
(05:48):
absolutely marvelous. But now I want to give you Ralph's
philosophy that I want you to remember. And if anybody
in a medical profession is listening, this is not critical,
this is advice. I only hope. No medical facility, a facilitator,
a doctor, a nurse of medic whatever needs attention, a
(06:12):
medical attention. But when they do, and they have to
make their own phone calls explain the situation, because only
they would be listened to, because they're the patient. Now
they have to go to a facility, whether it's for
examinations or tests or whatever, or be hospitalized. Now they
(06:34):
have to put on their gown and be prodded. And
you know what, everything for testing. I'd like every single
one of the medical facilitators to have to live within
twenty four hours as a patient and after that be well,
which I wish all the medical facilitators the best, of course,
(06:57):
but after twenty four hours as a patient the rest
of their lives, they will realize what their patients have
to go through and maybe take another couple of seconds
and help the patients make it a little easier, because
when you're sick, the last thing you need is somebody
giving you flack and problems. And this was in a movie,
(07:20):
by the way, I don't remember the name of the movie.
I don't remember the actor, but that's what happened in
the movie. And the last scene in that movie was
the doctor is bringing in a bunch of interns to
the hospital. It gives them all a rope. He said,
go to your locker, change and from the next twenty
four hours your patients. I want you to live as
a patient. Always remember that you're the doctor, but remember
(07:43):
the patient is a human being. On a lighter note,
so it's very warm outside. A woman decides, you know,
I'm tired. I got to get some perk me up.
So she goes into a local ice cream store, walks in,
decides the flavor, she gets the ice cream cone, and
she's turning around. She's holding her ice cream and her purse,
(08:04):
and there's Paul Newman sitting there, licking on his ice
cream cone, smiling, saying hello, I'm waving with my hand
and she smiles like, oh my god, Paul Newman. And
she goes to her car. Fidgets with the key, can't
get the car open, finally gets the car open and realizes,
where's my icekreine cone? Oh my god, I left it
(08:25):
in the ice cream place. She goes back in. She's
holding her purse, no ice cream, and there's no ice
cream cone on the counter, and she hears a turns
around to Paul Newman is smiling, he's pointing to the
woman's purse and he's pointing, says, your ice cream cone.
The woman put the ice cream cone in her purse
(08:47):
because she was so flustered because she saw a blue
eyed Paul Newman. So what I'm trying to give you,
there's a there's a good and a bed sad and
a funny and everything. So Patty, I apologize that all
of you out there if I took a little too long.
I'm trying to give you an insight from a human
being who's surviving as a caregiver. And to all of
you caregivers out there, God bless you. Man. It is
(09:10):
one task that's awful, awful, awful awful, but you got
to do it. That's your responsibility. Patty walk up to
Cuba Copa coba gaba, Hello, mister Cuba.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Hello all yours. You know, hey, since you're a big
art fan, you may or may not know this. There
was this guy by the name of Balgencio Baptista who
used to have a house in Daytona Beach. Spent quite
a bit of time there, you know, fishing, just relaxing,
(09:46):
walking around talking to neighbors of the city of Daytona
Beach actually gave mister Palgencio Baptista a parade, partly because
he donatedd something like three hundred items of Cuban art,
which is now on display at the Daytona Beach Museum
(10:07):
of Arts and Sciences. So oh, if people don't realize
who mister Baptista was, he is the last president. I
say that with a question mark of Cuba before the
(10:28):
Cuban Revolution, And it's really not surprising that that Batista
had a house in Daytona Beach because the embargo that's
been in place since nineteen sixty has made it feel
like Florida and Cuba are two totally different worlds. But
(10:49):
that is a historical anomaly. Florida and Cuba have been
intertwined by trade networks and cultural cross fertilization since before
the European colonial period Cuba. During the colonial period, Cuba
(11:12):
became one of Spain's most important, successful and profitable colonies.
Havana was long a crown jewel city of North America.
Cuba was one of only two American colonies Spain would
hold on to through the Spanish American Wars of independence
(11:33):
in the early eighteen hundreds, just so it lose both
in the Spanish American War at the end of the
eighteen hundreds. The British long wanted a Cuba something bad.
Americans inherited that craving for Ropa ziha with rice and
(11:54):
black beans. So why isn't Cuba a US state or
at the least, like Puerto Rico, a territory since the
Spanish American War.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I hate to do this, but because I killed a
lot of your time. We need to take a break.
Perfect time. Perfect everybody out there think about why is
Cuba not a state or a territory of the United States.
We'll be right back our Veterans' Voice Radio Cuba and
my dear friend Patrick mccallison.
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Speaker 3 (14:06):
We're back with Cuba. Patrick Mcalliser, you were telling us
the beginning of the answer as WHI is Cuba not
an American state or an American territory?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And let me emphasize it is really if you know
the history, it is really surprising that it is not.
I agree with you, Like I said, since the embargo
has been around since nineteen sixty, it feels like Cuba
and Florence are two totally different world that is a
historical anomaly. In fourteen ninety two, Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue.
(14:44):
He bumped into an island there then headed west for
Cuban fair that is to say, Cuba. Columbus made the
first recorded landing on Cuba during his first exhibition. Addition,
thank you probably and then and then Florida and Cuba.
(15:09):
The Spanish we were attempting to develop Cuba and Florida
pretty much simultaneously. And that really followed a tradition, you know,
dating back to the Taino people and trading with the
with the Calusa and others on the Florida peninsula. They
(15:31):
were always kind of of two interacting, you know places, right.
So it was in fifteen eleven that the Spanish started
setting up settlements in Cuba. They tried in fifteen twenty
one in Florida that that was Pensacola. It failed. Then
(15:52):
in fifteen sixty five Saint Augustine was established and without
getting to come, especially during the days of Mano Wars.
The combination of having the Florida Peninsula and Cuba gives
the possessor a lot of power in the Caribbean, the
(16:15):
American Gulf Coast with the Mississippi River, and Central America.
So just look at a map and you'll see why.
So the Spanish are setting up Cuba and Florida, Guba
more successfully than Florida in the fifteen hundreds, going into
(16:36):
the sixteen hundreds, and this is about the time that
the British were starting to get in on the whole
New World thing. The British had hired Giovanni Gabarto John
Cabo to take a look see at the New World
(16:58):
back in fourteen ninety seven, but England was just not
ready for colonizing the New World yet until much later.
A lot of that has to do with being tied
down in Ireland, you know, colonizing there. But before well,
(17:20):
the colonization efforts. The British colonization efforts in North America
started in fifteen eighty five with Rono, which famously failed.
And if you can solve that mystery, you're you're gonna
you're You've got quite a lecture tour coming up. They
did establish Jamestown in sixteen o seven, and that was
(17:43):
the first successful British colony in North America. But before Jamestown.
See Americans do not understand this part of the history.
Before Jamestown, England had set up a colony on Saint
Lucia that was in sixteen oh five, and then they
(18:04):
set up a colony on Grenada in sixteen oh nine. Bermuda,
which really isn't part of the Caribbean, they colonized that
by accident in sixteen oh nine. The Barbados Company got
a charter in sixteen twenty seven, only seven years after
Plymouth Rock. The British started creeping into the Bahamas in
(18:28):
the sixteen forties. The point of this being that the
British were very much interested in the Caribbean and colonizing
the Caribbean simultaneously to colonizing North America. Of the you know,
we know that thirteen colonies declared independence in you know
(18:52):
seventeen seventy six. Britain had twenty three colonies stretching from
the Caribbean to Canada at the time. Okay, and during
the Anglo Spanish War from sixteen fifties to sixteen sixties,
Britain had acquired Jamaica and the Cayman Islands and then
(19:16):
got to hold them because of the Treaty of Madrid.
That was part like the real goal of capturing those
places was to capture Cuba. Cuba was always the prize,
and the British had this plan they called it the
(19:38):
Western Design, to take over Cuba and then effectively used
that to hold Florida and the entire Caribbean and to
exert in power over the Gulf Coast and Central America.
Cuba was the prize. I want to keep kind of
(19:59):
driving this home. Cuba was the prize.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
So they were narrowing in to get Cuba with these
other ones that they were getting outside of it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They were British were all in to get Cuba. As
a matter of fact, Britain. The British occupied Havana during
the Seven Years War, which in North America was called
the French and Indian Wars. It was a costly, amphibious operation.
They held Havana from seventeen sixty two to seventeen sixty three,
(20:31):
and then Spain traded Florida to the British to get
Havana back after the Seven Years War. So Florida was
part of Britain from seventeen sixty three to the seventeen
eighty three and at the time Florida reached to the
Mississippi River.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Everybody out there, I hope you're taking notes. There'll be
a five minute test afterwards. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I just want people to have some of this historical
to understand that that the United States was inheriting a
British urge to capture and to hold Cuba, and the
(21:17):
reasons why Britain had that urge and why we inherited
it from them. The reason well, okay, so uh, and
Cuba was always very US friendly, like after the after
(21:38):
the War of Independence. Well, during the War of Independence, Cuba,
Havana was actually allowing US flag ships to fly in
Port there to fly flags and the port there, okay,
which was kind of a big deal. After the War
of Independence, the upstart United States was unhappy to have
(22:01):
the Spanish living in the downstairs apartments.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Does the joke everybody the British they were already in
the upstairs apartment, Well, you know, better to have the
Spanish in the in the downstairs.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, that's yeah, upstairs downstairs.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah. And by the way, I have a feeling we're
coming up on a break, so uh, just a little
quick historical aside. The Continental Congress did invite East and
West Florida, which were British colonies at the time, along
with the Canadian colonies. And I'm pretty certain the Bahamas
(22:41):
to join in the Revolutionary War on the American side,
and the Continental Army did do a few operations trying
to seize East and West Florida during the war, so
the United States had its eye on Florida and Cuba began.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, but because two things, mainly money and security.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, and probably sugar implantations.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And stuff too, it comes into play. Yeah, absolutely, yes,
it does it. You just hit the nail. Okay, we
can take the break now about forty five seconds early or.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well we got like a minute or some okay.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, well let's hang everybody out on that shelf right now.
Number one, thank you everybody for being in attendance at
the High Woman Art Gallery at eighteen seventy two Commerce
Avenue in Vera Beach last week which was under twenty
third and we honored the recently deceased Al Black Hall
(23:45):
of Fame Highwoman. Yeah, and thank you everybody for being
there and hopefully well please you with what we made
available to you pre sale price wise, and I thank
you for having the taking the time to enjoy the
festivities with us. You can call me seven days a week,
daylight hours at nine to five four five five seven
(24:08):
six two two six. We're gonna take the halftime break
when we come back. Why is Cuba not a US
state or a US territory. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Noura to fly dourrah.
You're listening to Evergreen Media Network.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I am Cyndi Schwartz and this is our Veterans Hoys
radio show with your host, Ralph nathan Oko.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hello everybody, this is Ralph your friend. Good afternoon, and
good morning and good evening. I want to share a
few things with you today. I get feedback from some
of our listeners, not a lot, but some of the
feedback is they love the stories that I tell them
when they relate to me, and they're therefore to you.
So with us today we have Patty Patrick McAllister, and
(00:43):
I'll bet you don't know the reason, and Patty will
tell you because I didn't know it either. Do you
know why Cuba is not a state or a territory
of the United States? Now we will defer that for
a minute. I want to share with you. First of all,
always remember in life, perfect is imperfect. There's no one
(01:05):
hundred percent of anything other than the birth than death.
But I want to share with you what just transpired
this year with me and my wife. So I want
to give you hope. You know the song you give
me life, You give me hope. My wife was diagnosed
with sclerosis of the liver just within a month before
(01:27):
COVID hit. Cleveland Clinic in Western has a liver team.
Why because it's only five or six hospitals in the
state of Florida that are qualified to do liver transplants.
And when you have sclerosis of the liver, whether it's
because of alcohol or medicine. In my wife, she took
(01:48):
methotrexate for many years for rheumatoi arthritis and the fatty
liver developed and we were warned ahead of time, but
she couldn't function and without the medicine. We tried all
other medicines. Methotrects sake worked anyway, They saved their life.
So now we're talking about procedures, we're talking about medicine,
(02:13):
We're talking a lot of problems, and Cleveland Clinic kind
of brought the problem to reality. That looked, she can't
have surgery, but we're going to do the best we
can give her as much comfortable mode of life. So
we've lived with it until January of this year. When
(02:34):
I told you my wife had a stroke, I called
up the Indian River Fire Department. Medica came. Every want
to remind you when you think somebody's got a stroke
or a heart attack. Don't think it may go away.
Don't think called nine to one one. What I did?
I said, my name is Ralf Foco, I live at
(02:54):
such and such. I am not a doctor. I think
my wife just had a stroke. Within eight minutes, if
not less, we had an ambulance in front of my
house and within a couple of minutes in the bedroom,
and they were prepared. They checked hers and obviously they
confirmed that the diagnosis by an amateur me was correct.
(03:14):
Apparently they notified the emergency room. By the time my
wife was brought into the emergency room, they confirmed it
and they gave her medication. And that's where I'm coming from.
That medication at the emergency room at Cleveland Clinic, Indian River.
Within three hours after she was brought in, the doctor
came in and my wife was able to move her
(03:35):
right in and right foot a little bit the medication. So,
but that's not where I'm coming from. Well, now we
were two weeks ago, a month ago, my wife is
diagnosed with cataracts. My wife, my doctor Winslow says, hey,
you don't need it, but your condition is kind of
(03:57):
it's gonna get worse. My wife, who's ill says, do
it now. So now we're scheduling everything. But the problem
is that you need to have pre op clearance. Well,
the problem is it's in Western and we live in
Vero Beach, two and a half hours each way. I've
got a seventy five year old woman, a stroke victim
(04:17):
who's got sclerosis of the liver. No surgery possible. So
I call up the office of the primary doctor in
Western and I asked at the office, is it all
right if my wife has her pre op here in
Vero Beach instead of driving to Cleveland clinic in Western
(04:40):
And they said, as long as they can and accept it,
of course. So I call up the Internal Medicine Department,
I explained when I'm just telling you. They look her
up her chart and they said, sure, we can do it,
and I said, the problem is I got to have
it by Friday, because Monday is the last before the
pre opt can be accepted because the surgery is next Wednesday.
(05:04):
Then they said, no problem, can you come in tomorrow morning. Well,
we came in this morning at ten o'clock for an
eleven o'clock appointment. If by eleven fifteen we're out of there.
The loveliest of all the experiences we have. Now, I
know some of us have had horror stories with hospitals
and whatever, including Cleveland Clinic. I am saying to you,
(05:26):
Cleveland Clinic. I'm saying you, the Indian River Fire and Rescue.
I'm saying to you Cleveland Clinic in Western God bless
you and thank you for what you've done. You've given
me hope that there is hope out there, and the
attention and the improvement in Cleveland Clinic Indian River is
(05:48):
absolutely marvelous. But now I want to give you Ralph's
philosophy that I want you to remember. And if anybody
in a medical profession is listening, this is not critical,
this is advice. I only hope. No medical facility, a facilitator,
a doctor, a nurse of medic whatever needs attention, a
(06:12):
medical attention. But when they do, and they have to
make their own phone calls explain the situation, because only
they would be listened to, because they're the patient. Now
they have to go to a facility, whether it's for
examinations or tests or whatever, or be hospitalized. Now they
(06:34):
have to put on their gown and be prodded. And
you know what, everything for testing. I'd like every single
one of the medical facilitators to have to live within
twenty four hours as a patient and after that be well,
which I wish all the medical facilitators the best, of course,
(06:57):
but after twenty four hours as a patient the rest
of their lives, they will realize what their patients have
to go through and maybe take another couple of seconds
and help the patients make it a little easier, because
when you're sick, the last thing you need is somebody
giving you flack and problems. And this was in a movie,
(07:20):
by the way, I don't remember the name of the movie.
I don't remember the actor, but that's what happened in
the movie. And the last scene in that movie was
the doctor is bringing in a bunch of interns to
the hospital. It gives them all a rope. He said,
go to your locker, change and from the next twenty
four hours your patients. I want you to live as
a patient. Always remember that you're the doctor, but remember
(07:43):
the patient is a human being. On a lighter note,
so it's very warm outside. A woman decides, you know,
I'm tired. I got to get some perk me up.
So she goes into a local ice cream store, walks in,
decides the flavor, she gets the ice cream cone, and
she's turning around. She's holding her ice cream and her purse,
(08:04):
and there's Paul Newman sitting there, licking on his ice
cream cone, smiling, saying hello, I'm waving with my hand
and she smiles like, oh my god, Paul Newman. And
she goes to her car. Fidgets with the key, can't
get the car open, finally gets the car open and realizes,
where's my icekreine cone? Oh my god, I left it
(08:25):
in the ice cream place. She goes back in. She's
holding her purse, no ice cream, and there's no ice
cream cone on the counter, and she hears a turns
around to Paul Newman is smiling, he's pointing to the
woman's purse and he's pointing, says, your ice cream cone.
The woman put the ice cream cone in her purse
(08:47):
because she was so flustered because she saw a blue
eyed Paul Newman. So what I'm trying to give you,
there's a there's a good and a bed sad and
a funny and everything. So Patty, I apologize that all
of you out there if I took a little too long.
I'm trying to give you an insight from a human
being who's surviving as a caregiver. And to all of
you caregivers out there, God bless you. Man. It is
(09:10):
one task that's awful, awful, awful awful, but you got
to do it. That's your responsibility. Patty walk up to
Cuba Copa coba gaba, Hello, mister Cuba.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Hello all yours. You know, hey, since you're a big
art fan, you may or may not know this. There
was this guy by the name of Balgencio Baptista who
used to have a house in Daytona Beach. Spent quite
a bit of time there, you know, fishing, just relaxing,
(09:46):
walking around talking to neighbors of the city of Daytona
Beach actually gave mister Palgencio Baptista a parade, partly because
he donatedd something like three hundred items of Cuban art,
which is now on display at the Daytona Beach Museum
(10:07):
of Arts and Sciences. So oh, if people don't realize
who mister Baptista was, he is the last president. I
say that with a question mark of Cuba before the
(10:28):
Cuban Revolution, And it's really not surprising that that Batista
had a house in Daytona Beach because the embargo that's
been in place since nineteen sixty has made it feel
like Florida and Cuba are two totally different worlds. But
(10:49):
that is a historical anomaly. Florida and Cuba have been
intertwined by trade networks and cultural cross fertilization since before
the European colonial period Cuba. During the colonial period, Cuba
(11:12):
became one of Spain's most important, successful and profitable colonies.
Havana was long a crown jewel city of North America.
Cuba was one of only two American colonies Spain would
hold on to through the Spanish American Wars of independence
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in the early eighteen hundreds, just so it lose both
in the Spanish American War at the end of the
eighteen hundreds. The British long wanted a Cuba something bad.
Americans inherited that craving for Ropa ziha with rice and
(11:54):
black beans. So why isn't Cuba a US state or
at the least, like Puerto Rico, a territory since the
Spanish American War.
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We're back with Cuba. Patrick Mcalliser, you were telling us
the beginning of the answer as WHI is Cuba not
an American state or an American territory?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And let me emphasize it is really if you know
the history, it is really surprising that it is not.
I agree with you, Like I said, since the embargo
has been around since nineteen sixty, it feels like Cuba
and Florence are two totally different world that is a
historical anomaly. In fourteen ninety two, Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue.
(14:44):
He bumped into an island there then headed west for
Cuban fair that is to say, Cuba. Columbus made the
first recorded landing on Cuba during his first exhibition. Addition,
thank you probably and then and then Florida and Cuba.
(15:09):
The Spanish we were attempting to develop Cuba and Florida
pretty much simultaneously. And that really followed a tradition, you know,
dating back to the Taino people and trading with the
with the Calusa and others on the Florida peninsula. They
(15:31):
were always kind of of two interacting, you know places, right.
So it was in fifteen eleven that the Spanish started
setting up settlements in Cuba. They tried in fifteen twenty
one in Florida that that was Pensacola. It failed. Then
(15:52):
in fifteen sixty five Saint Augustine was established and without
getting to come, especially during the days of Mano Wars.
The combination of having the Florida Peninsula and Cuba gives
the possessor a lot of power in the Caribbean, the
(16:15):
American Gulf Coast with the Mississippi River, and Central America.
So just look at a map and you'll see why.
So the Spanish are setting up Cuba and Florida, Guba
more successfully than Florida in the fifteen hundreds, going into
(16:36):
the sixteen hundreds, and this is about the time that
the British were starting to get in on the whole
New World thing. The British had hired Giovanni Gabarto John
Cabo to take a look see at the New World
(16:58):
back in fourteen ninety seven, but England was just not
ready for colonizing the New World yet until much later.
A lot of that has to do with being tied
down in Ireland, you know, colonizing there. But before well,
(17:20):
the colonization efforts. The British colonization efforts in North America
started in fifteen eighty five with Rono, which famously failed.
And if you can solve that mystery, you're you're gonna
you're You've got quite a lecture tour coming up. They
did establish Jamestown in sixteen o seven, and that was
(17:43):
the first successful British colony in North America. But before Jamestown.
See Americans do not understand this part of the history.
Before Jamestown, England had set up a colony on Saint
Lucia that was in sixteen oh five, and then they
(18:04):
set up a colony on Grenada in sixteen oh nine. Bermuda,
which really isn't part of the Caribbean, they colonized that
by accident in sixteen oh nine. The Barbados Company got
a charter in sixteen twenty seven, only seven years after
Plymouth Rock. The British started creeping into the Bahamas in
(18:28):
the sixteen forties. The point of this being that the
British were very much interested in the Caribbean and colonizing
the Caribbean simultaneously to colonizing North America. Of the you know,
we know that thirteen colonies declared independence in you know
(18:52):
seventeen seventy six. Britain had twenty three colonies stretching from
the Caribbean to Canada at the time. Okay, and during
the Anglo Spanish War from sixteen fifties to sixteen sixties,
Britain had acquired Jamaica and the Cayman Islands and then
(19:16):
got to hold them because of the Treaty of Madrid.
That was part like the real goal of capturing those
places was to capture Cuba. Cuba was always the prize,
and the British had this plan they called it the
(19:38):
Western Design, to take over Cuba and then effectively used
that to hold Florida and the entire Caribbean and to
exert in power over the Gulf Coast and Central America.
Cuba was the prize. I want to keep kind of
(19:59):
driving this home. Cuba was the prize.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
So they were narrowing in to get Cuba with these
other ones that they were getting outside of it.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They were British were all in to get Cuba. As
a matter of fact, Britain. The British occupied Havana during
the Seven Years War, which in North America was called
the French and Indian Wars. It was a costly, amphibious operation.
They held Havana from seventeen sixty two to seventeen sixty three,
(20:31):
and then Spain traded Florida to the British to get
Havana back after the Seven Years War. So Florida was
part of Britain from seventeen sixty three to the seventeen
eighty three and at the time Florida reached to the
Mississippi River.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Everybody out there, I hope you're taking notes. There'll be
a five minute test afterwards. You know.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I just want people to have some of this historical
to understand that that the United States was inheriting a
British urge to capture and to hold Cuba, and the
(21:17):
reasons why Britain had that urge and why we inherited
it from them. The reason well, okay, so uh, and
Cuba was always very US friendly, like after the after
(21:38):
the War of Independence. Well, during the War of Independence, Cuba,
Havana was actually allowing US flag ships to fly in
Port there to fly flags and the port there, okay,
which was kind of a big deal. After the War
of Independence, the upstart United States was unhappy to have
(22:01):
the Spanish living in the downstairs apartments.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Does the joke everybody the British they were already in
the upstairs apartment, Well, you know, better to have the
Spanish in the in the downstairs.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, that's yeah, upstairs downstairs.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah. And by the way, I have a feeling we're
coming up on a break, so uh, just a little
quick historical aside. The Continental Congress did invite East and
West Florida, which were British colonies at the time, along
with the Canadian colonies. And I'm pretty certain the Bahamas
(22:41):
to join in the Revolutionary War on the American side,
and the Continental Army did do a few operations trying
to seize East and West Florida during the war, so
the United States had its eye on Florida and Cuba began.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, but because two things, mainly money and security.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, and probably sugar implantations.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And stuff too, it comes into play. Yeah, absolutely, yes,
it does it. You just hit the nail. Okay, we
can take the break now about forty five seconds early or.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well we got like a minute or some okay.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, well let's hang everybody out on that shelf right now.
Number one, thank you everybody for being in attendance at
the High Woman Art Gallery at eighteen seventy two Commerce
Avenue in Vera Beach last week which was under twenty
third and we honored the recently deceased Al Black Hall
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of Fame Highwoman. Yeah, and thank you everybody for being
there and hopefully well please you with what we made
available to you pre sale price wise, and I thank
you for having the taking the time to enjoy the
festivities with us. You can call me seven days a week,
daylight hours at nine to five four five five seven
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six two two six. We're gonna take the halftime break
when we come back. Why is Cuba not a US
state or a US territory. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Noura to fly dourrah.
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