August 5, 2025 • 25 mins
Talking with the Great Catherine Enns and her in depth knowlwdge into the Hioghwaymen Movement Artists.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Here listening to Evergreen Media Network. I am Cindy Schwartz,
and this is our Veteran's Vice Radio show with your
host Ralph Nathan Alco.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello everybody, Well, you've heard about the High Women, and
we've talked about the High Woman. We've had him on
the show. We've had Susan Harris here. We've discussed the
shows and the all the different social, economical, educational, and
the front part of the High Woman. Well we're going
to encompass all of that into one today because Susan
(00:41):
and I have a very special guest to present to
you on the our Veterans Voice Radio today. And today
we talked about, of course the High Woman, and this
young lady is, if I'm correct, fourth Katherine, fourth or
fifth generation here, sir, actually fourth okay, fourth generation Fort Pierce.
(01:06):
So when I introduce Katherine ends it's E N N S.
The Enz family, if I'm not mistaken, started to give
a take around nineteen twenties, and then I will introduce you.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
But that by right, Yeah, actually the turn of the central.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh even better. So let me introduce everybody because I'm
really excited. Of course you know that we have h
Cindy Schwartz with us by right hand. That our producer,
and then we have Susan Harris from Jetson's, whom I'm
immensely grateful for being my mentor. Everybody needs somebody to
hold your hand and teach you, and you loined me well,
(01:45):
so thank you, Susan. And to my right in the
studio in person is Katherine ends E n n S.
So I'm gonna have Catherine introduce herself and I know
You're going to be modest and humble, Susan, and I'll
probably have to jack it up. We will tell us
about the N's family. I'm going to if I've read
(02:06):
Ride Kansas, Kansas? Was that the right state? Yes, So
tell us about the N's family. Four Piers and then Catherine.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well, that's a mouthful of information. Yeah, But I was
born in four Peers, but both my grandmother and my
grandmother was actually born in four Peers and her father
was came around the turn of the century. So they
(02:40):
grew up along the Indian River, and my great grandfather
had a boat building business with a Bean Bacchus, who
is a pretty significant landscape artist, especially here in Florida.
(03:01):
And so I grew up. My dad was the editor
of the Fort Pierce News Tribune, So we've had.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
A long history of kind.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Of knowing what's going on in the community and being
involved in I am the oldest of eight children, so
I have, you know, a different my brother. I have
a brother who's an artist in another world.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Michael, fantastic artist, just like Bacchus. I mean. And wasn't
he in Bachus's studio for a while?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
He was?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
He was. He He was.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
From about the age of ten, U student of Bacus's,
so he knew all the comings and goings of the studio.
And you know we've as kids, we all when there
and hung out. Knew Beanie pretty well. I went to Jamaica.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
With him with what I would pay for that.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, and just to get an idea of the Florida
the landscape and then the Florida landscape the back is
painted so well.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And I've been a writer for all of my life.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
All right, Susan, this is your turn. What is the
Bible that we're referring to when we say, Hi, do you.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
See this big fat book here? How much does this
thing weigh?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's got three and four pages? And he looks like
an eleven fourteen.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Oh my gosh, it is fantastic.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
When Catherine, when this book came out two thousand and nine,
two thousand and nine, and Katherine and I knew each
other a little bit by then, I saw this and
I'm like, finally it had backus in here.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
It drolled the way they divided it up into different chapters.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Catherine, you did it. You got the photos. You made
sense of this for people, and I think it. I
really do think, and Ralph agrees with me.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
It is the Bible. I suggested.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
What I always love is how you would do a
few photos in what you were saying.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
River of grass, Now, that was what I liked.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I thought it made sense, descriptive, it made sense backcountry pines,
and you could show people this and they could see
it with different artists and almost like a panorama and
a retrospective. You did a lot as a writer. As
a writer talking about a writer her pros is fantastic.
We've you know, you've heard about musicians singing together.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
And things like that. Katherine, I did. We did something
together one time, which was a lot of fun. It's
always in our memory and we've talked about doing things
in the future. Maybe we will, maybe we won't. It
all depends.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But let's discuss the problem that she cause problem.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
No other book print you can't buy a Princes.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So what's the good news.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, the good news is.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That thank you, it is coming out again. There's it's
going to be released and definitely by the beginning of September,
so I'm off this year of this year, so I'm
really looking forward to that. And that is in conjunction
(06:22):
with one of the first, but absolutely the largest exhibition
of high woman paintings in the Northeast from the collection
of Jonathan Otto, which starts September ninth at the Addison
Gallery of American Art in Andover.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Massachusetts and.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
From Hartford.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I think it's uh maybe about two hours west of Boston.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
In the heart of art country. All these art lovers amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And you know, how did you get involved with this?
Come to think of it.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
This is actually Jonathan Otto's collection and he went to
Phillips Academy, which is where the Addison Gallery is. Phillips
Academy is a boarding school established Exeter. It really yeah,
it's established in the seventeen seventies. Now it's currently a
(07:30):
co ed Educational Facility Highest Excellence.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, Lincoln, Robert Lincoln went there, a bunch of the
bushes and all that.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, and Jonathan Otto, yeah, big. So it's going to
be an amazing exhibition. They're aiming to put up ninety paintings.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Most of them are in the book.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
He has borrowed some, so it's just going to be
kind of the best of the best.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But Della Creme and and so it's in and over Massachusetts.
And when is.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
It September ninth through January fourth, So.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It's right after the Labor Day weekends the weekend after
a while, so it's going to be on for what
a couple of weeks, then.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It will be on several months. Had to do the
math of September.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
September till January fourth, four months, Yeah, four months.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I missed the January. And you're going to be there too,
not a four months now.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I am going to be there. I'm hoping for the
opening reception.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's exciting and to see.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It because it just sounds like it's going to be spectacular.
There's going to be one room, just a royal point
Cienna paintings by the highway. They're going to be back
is because it's an educational, a teaching institution. They're going
to tie it in with different historical perspectives and really
(09:15):
put the highwaymen in context. You know what they were
facing socially, and you know the kind of options that
were open to them at the time, laborers, group workers
and that kind of thing. So it's really going to
delve into the highwayman's story as well. Let's just show
(09:38):
this spectacular number of works. It's really good, I think,
and then you know, blow people away. The palm trees
are coming to the ivy covered.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But it's nothing compared to the gallery you just saw
in eighteen seventy two Commerce and fere will be nothing.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, no, very fine gallery and really had some wonderful paintings.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But yeah, I do you start to say about your
brothers and sisters. There's one other brother you that I know,
that we know, and but first I got I have
to explain to everybody. After we had lunch today, we
took Catherine and her brother Michael the artist and his
friend b and went to visit my gallery at eighteen
(10:25):
seventy two Commerce Pitch.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Pitch, But isn't there the biggest Highwayman gallery in.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
All of Florida, the large, the largest collection in theory.
Well he's just added one more. You know, you were
supposed to come in and buy. I ended up buying
one of Michael's paintings, and Susan and I just fell
in love with the painting.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I won the bidding contest for the time being. But
the point is they had the excitement, the aura of
the Bible in reality walking in and seeing that. So
I think that it's free critical. But the subject that
I really wanted to talk about today, but we needed
(11:07):
to talk about you, like who are you as?
Speaker 6 (11:09):
So?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Why You've been on other shows, You've done many many interviews,
You've had conversations, you've written articles. But the thing that
for me the most important. I've been in love with
this thing since I met a fifteen sixteen years ago.
We know yesterday, we somewhat know today, we don't know tomorrow.
(11:33):
So I don't want to do is we're going to
take a break and we come back. I want to
go back to Fort Pierce, the enz family, the Backers,
the past, and the gradual incline of familiarity and knowledge
and acceptance of the paintings. That was yesterday, and then
(11:53):
we want to go to the next stage. Where are
we today? Nobody ever expected the movement to be what
it is today, and obviously, to me, I think that
the Highwayman Movement is probably the last legitimate art movement
in this country as of today, and I don't know
if anything will ever take place after this. It's just
(12:14):
a magnificent story. So we're going to take a break
and we'll come back. You're going to help us explore
the explore the future by reviewing the back, the past
and discussing the present. Good and we'll be right have you.
We'll be right back. Everybody, blah blah blah.
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Hey, did you hear the latest about our Florida High Woman? No?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
What?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
There's a new High Woman art gallery and burl Beach.
Really where eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
When's it open?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Seven days a week. Called ninety five four five five
seven six two two six for an appointment any time,
No kidding, Just call for your appointment nine five four
five five seven six two two six and then go
to eighteen seventy t do commerce an you.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Wow, that's good news.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
A member of the itex trading community, your I text
dollars are welcome and welcome back to our veteran source
radio show with Rock Nathan Oko. Today it's the Highwayman.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And the Bible, and the Bible was written not by
Moses but by Catherine Ens. We just discussed the fact
that the book is out of print and for the
September unveiling, I would imagine at the for the out
of collection in andover Massachusetts, that I suspect the book
will be Yeah, that's what if I was the publisher
(14:35):
and you that's what I would do. And that is
that the plan.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That is the plan, So it will be available.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, I'm looking forward to it, and I'm looking
forward to getting two books from you with your illustrious
I still have the one that I bought from the
original one. So what we want to do, I explained
to Catherine inter suasion. There are many adventures we can
discuss about the High Women, But to me, being a
(15:04):
collector as well as a dealer and an owner of
a gallery, one of the most frequent questions that I'm
asked is, well, you know, there were twenty six High
Women in the Hall of Fame in two thousand and four.
Unfortunately only four are with us today. We've lost twenty two.
And the questions are customers and collectors ask us, is
(15:26):
so what happens to the movement, and this is what
I've insteadive. Like all the other shows and interviews, I'd
like to discuss the past, the present, and the future
of the High Women movement. I have my own opinions.
I've expressed them to Susan and to Catherine, but you
can't express my views. You have to express yours. So
(15:49):
I think I'd like to begin. But you're telling us
a little bit from the background the High Women. The
Beanie back is the entire kind of a package in
a nutshell and just as a review.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Fact, yeah, well you know, and it relates in a
way to.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
The artist Beanie Bacchus, who uh was just widely considered
the master of the Florida landscape and his philosophy to
pay it forward, you know, teach as many people as
you can. And he really did not feel as he
(16:31):
you know, was painting and teaching. He wanted everybody to
achieve a greatness. He wanted people to become artists, people
like my brother, so much so that he sent my
brother to Parsons School of Design, where he had gone Yes,
exactly them there, yes, yes, his tuition amazing man. And
(16:57):
so I I see that as kind of this legacy
of the highwaymen as well that you know, the high
women artists have passed it on now and so you
know that's going to be I hope what their legacy
is that the they have this school or movement or
(17:22):
whatever you want to call that is there to capture
the Florida landscape, which we all know is this beautiful
paradise that they painted is gone now it's gone disappearing.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's like it's like a history book and painting figures.
It's really what it is.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, and I wrote this my book and I just
two thousand and nine that the it's only the beginning
and capturing a body of art yet to be fully
discovered and a story yet to fully unfold. So I think,
you know, it just is one of those things like
(18:03):
an onion, you just keep peeling the layers and it
gets you know, more and more, you know, spicy.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So this is but the layers never disappear. You think
we'll keep on regenerating. That's what we're hoping that.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Well, look at how we met Michael today. That is
a big layer.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm so impressed. First of all, I got everybody Michael
is uh, he's been around. He grew up with uh
Port Pearson with the backus and the landscape and the
Highwoman's on. But he is his memory impeccable, the dates
and the names and occasions that he remembers. I'm impressed.
(18:44):
And it tells me something about the Enz family. And
speaking of that, your brother uh was uh who's a
publisher of the Indian River magazine. We had him as
a guest here and we've advertised the gallery is advertised
in the magazine. Mean, uh am, I am I not mistaken.
Didn't the story about the N's family go like three
(19:07):
or four issues in a row and now there's a
book there was you know, you look like you're not sure.
I think they. I think they published it in a book.
Four Now with the Nz family.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
He did another.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Historical group of articles that I think that was on
cal Creek, one of the care branches in the.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
West of Fort Pierce. That's going to be in a book.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I think that maybe already. And then he's got the
Ashley Gang. But going back, the point is he's very
prolific in his storytelling is and your storytelling is as
good as a back as our herald Newton painting well
I mean no, seriously, I mean, you it then you
understand that you feel it. That's and I think that
(20:04):
I'm safe and saying for Susan, certainly for me, the
move I mean it's like getting a shot in the
arm and you're you're sucked into a movement than I
have been. So okay. So what was that like in
the sixties, Well, it would be sixties and seventies more
probably the seventies, uh because fortunately back as being left
(20:26):
until nineteen ninety. Unfortunately Alpha Heir passed away because it
was coldly murdered in nineteen seventy. But what was it
like did people realize at the time or at the
time it's just, oh, look at these pretty paintings, But
nobody gave it a thought until all of a sudden
a book is written and then the publicity.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know, nobody gave it a thought. Really.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Let me say, as you probably know and Susan, is
that the highwaymen they were just you know, the guys
were selling all over the Treasure Coast area, which wasn't
even called the Treasure Coast back then. But yeah, they
were up and down, you know, stopping in everybody's house,
(21:14):
my friend's mom would buy this one of the guys
to be knocking on their back door. And you know,
so they proudly hung a couple of highwaymen I don't
know who in their living room, and my uncle had
a Harold Newton and James Gibson hanging in his insurance
office right there near Delaware Avenue and Fort PIERSO. You know,
(21:40):
they were all over and very well known. But once,
you know, Jim Fitch came along and kind of gave
them a name and this fame.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You know, we did. We had no idea, they were
just they were just guys and you know, kind of like.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I don't want it to mean the work, but it
was the more affordable backus definitely.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah. So plus you got a frame, right.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
But the interesting thing is you're talking about the date
element that were discussing. Susan wrote an article in a
Vero Beach magazine in the year two thousand. Now what
is significant about that, Well, that's before Gary Munroe's book
about the High Women, and it's before two thousand and
four with the twenty sixth Hall of Fame. So her
(22:38):
article which I and thank you, Susan, Susan bequeathed her
original magazine. For me, I'm a mini librarian, and we
made copies of them, a ten page copies and they're
available to everybody. One catch. We're not going to fact,
we're not going to mail, We're not going to send.
If you want your free copy of ten page of
(23:00):
the two thousand article, visit us at the gallery. This
is the incentive for us marketing wise to get you
in to visit our gallery. We're located eighteen seventy two
Commerce Avenue in Vero Beach three two nine six oh
and you can know and Saturdays we're open ten to three.
(23:21):
Weekdays were opened by appointments. Is called nine five four
five five seven six two two six. We'd love to
have you visit with us. We're going to take the
break now. When we come back, we're going to go
transition from the past to the present, and we'll have
ten twelve minutes to do that. Then we'll take the
(23:44):
last break of a minute, and then we'll discuss the
last ten minutes the future. And I think that's imperative
that all of you listen, because the futures were we're
all headed hopefully wright ss okay, So we'll be right
back and I gotta thank both of you so much.
This is a special show that a special recording date
(24:08):
that we did, and to me, this is monumental because
this is the podcast. It's going to go in with
the iHeart Library of Podcasts. Can't get any better than that.
So thank you. We'll be right back everybody. This is
our Veterans Voice Radio Ralph.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You got like fifteen seconds. Give you your phone number
again in the address.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Okay, Cindy told me to tell you my address and
phone number. The address is eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue
in Vero Beach three two nine six oh, and the
phone number is nine five four five five seven six
(24:47):
two two six and who was President of the United
States in eighteen seventy two. We'll be right back everybody.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
The same sort.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
All the things
Speaker 2 (25:10):
On the b
Here listening to Evergreen Media Network. I am Cindy Schwartz,
and this is our Veteran's Vice Radio show with your
host Ralph Nathan Alco.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hello everybody, Well, you've heard about the High Women, and
we've talked about the High Woman. We've had him on
the show. We've had Susan Harris here. We've discussed the
shows and the all the different social, economical, educational, and
the front part of the High Woman. Well we're going
to encompass all of that into one today because Susan
(00:41):
and I have a very special guest to present to
you on the our Veterans Voice Radio today. And today
we talked about, of course the High Woman, and this
young lady is, if I'm correct, fourth Katherine, fourth or
fifth generation here, sir, actually fourth okay, fourth generation Fort Pierce.
(01:06):
So when I introduce Katherine ends it's E N N S.
The Enz family, if I'm not mistaken, started to give
a take around nineteen twenties, and then I will introduce you.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
But that by right, Yeah, actually the turn of the central.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh even better. So let me introduce everybody because I'm
really excited. Of course you know that we have h
Cindy Schwartz with us by right hand. That our producer,
and then we have Susan Harris from Jetson's, whom I'm
immensely grateful for being my mentor. Everybody needs somebody to
hold your hand and teach you, and you loined me well,
(01:45):
so thank you, Susan. And to my right in the
studio in person is Katherine ends E n n S.
So I'm gonna have Catherine introduce herself and I know
You're going to be modest and humble, Susan, and I'll
probably have to jack it up. We will tell us
about the N's family. I'm going to if I've read
(02:06):
Ride Kansas, Kansas? Was that the right state? Yes, So
tell us about the N's family. Four Piers and then Catherine.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Well, that's a mouthful of information. Yeah, But I was
born in four Peers, but both my grandmother and my
grandmother was actually born in four Peers and her father
was came around the turn of the century. So they
(02:40):
grew up along the Indian River, and my great grandfather
had a boat building business with a Bean Bacchus, who
is a pretty significant landscape artist, especially here in Florida.
(03:01):
And so I grew up. My dad was the editor
of the Fort Pierce News Tribune, So we've had.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
A long history of kind.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Of knowing what's going on in the community and being
involved in I am the oldest of eight children, so
I have, you know, a different my brother. I have
a brother who's an artist in another world.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Michael, fantastic artist, just like Bacchus. I mean. And wasn't
he in Bachus's studio for a while?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
He was?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
He was. He He was.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
From about the age of ten, U student of Bacus's,
so he knew all the comings and goings of the studio.
And you know we've as kids, we all when there
and hung out. Knew Beanie pretty well. I went to Jamaica.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
With him with what I would pay for that.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, and just to get an idea of the Florida
the landscape and then the Florida landscape the back is
painted so well.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And I've been a writer for all of my life.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
All right, Susan, this is your turn. What is the
Bible that we're referring to when we say, Hi, do you.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
See this big fat book here? How much does this
thing weigh?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's got three and four pages? And he looks like
an eleven fourteen.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Oh my gosh, it is fantastic.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
When Catherine, when this book came out two thousand and nine,
two thousand and nine, and Katherine and I knew each
other a little bit by then, I saw this and
I'm like, finally it had backus in here.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
It drolled the way they divided it up into different chapters.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Catherine, you did it. You got the photos. You made
sense of this for people, and I think it. I
really do think, and Ralph agrees with me.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
It is the Bible. I suggested.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
What I always love is how you would do a
few photos in what you were saying.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
River of grass, Now, that was what I liked.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I thought it made sense, descriptive, it made sense backcountry pines,
and you could show people this and they could see
it with different artists and almost like a panorama and
a retrospective. You did a lot as a writer. As
a writer talking about a writer her pros is fantastic.
We've you know, you've heard about musicians singing together.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
And things like that. Katherine, I did. We did something
together one time, which was a lot of fun. It's
always in our memory and we've talked about doing things
in the future. Maybe we will, maybe we won't. It
all depends.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But let's discuss the problem that she cause problem.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
No other book print you can't buy a Princes.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So what's the good news.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, the good news is.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That thank you, it is coming out again. There's it's
going to be released and definitely by the beginning of September,
so I'm off this year of this year, so I'm
really looking forward to that. And that is in conjunction
(06:22):
with one of the first, but absolutely the largest exhibition
of high woman paintings in the Northeast from the collection
of Jonathan Otto, which starts September ninth at the Addison
Gallery of American Art in Andover.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Massachusetts and.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
From Hartford.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I think it's uh maybe about two hours west of Boston.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
In the heart of art country. All these art lovers amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
And you know, how did you get involved with this?
Come to think of it.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
This is actually Jonathan Otto's collection and he went to
Phillips Academy, which is where the Addison Gallery is. Phillips
Academy is a boarding school established Exeter. It really yeah,
it's established in the seventeen seventies. Now it's currently a
(07:30):
co ed Educational Facility Highest Excellence.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, Lincoln, Robert Lincoln went there, a bunch of the
bushes and all that.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, and Jonathan Otto, yeah, big. So it's going to
be an amazing exhibition. They're aiming to put up ninety paintings.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Most of them are in the book.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
He has borrowed some, so it's just going to be
kind of the best of the best.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But Della Creme and and so it's in and over Massachusetts.
And when is.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
It September ninth through January fourth, So.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It's right after the Labor Day weekends the weekend after
a while, so it's going to be on for what
a couple of weeks, then.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It will be on several months. Had to do the
math of September.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
September till January fourth, four months, Yeah, four months.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I missed the January. And you're going to be there too,
not a four months now.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I am going to be there. I'm hoping for the
opening reception.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's exciting and to see.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It because it just sounds like it's going to be spectacular.
There's going to be one room, just a royal point
Cienna paintings by the highway. They're going to be back
is because it's an educational, a teaching institution. They're going
to tie it in with different historical perspectives and really
(09:15):
put the highwaymen in context. You know what they were
facing socially, and you know the kind of options that
were open to them at the time, laborers, group workers
and that kind of thing. So it's really going to
delve into the highwayman's story as well. Let's just show
(09:38):
this spectacular number of works. It's really good, I think,
and then you know, blow people away. The palm trees
are coming to the ivy covered.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But it's nothing compared to the gallery you just saw
in eighteen seventy two Commerce and fere will be nothing.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, no, very fine gallery and really had some wonderful paintings.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But yeah, I do you start to say about your
brothers and sisters. There's one other brother you that I know,
that we know, and but first I got I have
to explain to everybody. After we had lunch today, we
took Catherine and her brother Michael the artist and his
friend b and went to visit my gallery at eighteen
(10:25):
seventy two Commerce Pitch.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Pitch, But isn't there the biggest Highwayman gallery in.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
All of Florida, the large, the largest collection in theory.
Well he's just added one more. You know, you were
supposed to come in and buy. I ended up buying
one of Michael's paintings, and Susan and I just fell
in love with the painting.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I won the bidding contest for the time being. But
the point is they had the excitement, the aura of
the Bible in reality walking in and seeing that. So
I think that it's free critical. But the subject that
I really wanted to talk about today, but we needed
(11:07):
to talk about you, like who are you as?
Speaker 6 (11:09):
So?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Why You've been on other shows, You've done many many interviews,
You've had conversations, you've written articles. But the thing that
for me the most important. I've been in love with
this thing since I met a fifteen sixteen years ago.
We know yesterday, we somewhat know today, we don't know tomorrow.
(11:33):
So I don't want to do is we're going to
take a break and we come back. I want to
go back to Fort Pierce, the enz family, the Backers,
the past, and the gradual incline of familiarity and knowledge
and acceptance of the paintings. That was yesterday, and then
(11:53):
we want to go to the next stage. Where are
we today? Nobody ever expected the movement to be what
it is today, and obviously, to me, I think that
the Highwayman Movement is probably the last legitimate art movement
in this country as of today, and I don't know
if anything will ever take place after this. It's just
(12:14):
a magnificent story. So we're going to take a break
and we'll come back. You're going to help us explore
the explore the future by reviewing the back, the past
and discussing the present. Good and we'll be right have you.
We'll be right back. Everybody, blah blah blah.
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Hey, did you hear the latest about our Florida High Woman? No?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
What?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
There's a new High Woman art gallery and burl Beach.
Really where eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (13:45):
When's it open?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Seven days a week. Called ninety five four five five
seven six two two six for an appointment any time,
No kidding, Just call for your appointment nine five four
five five seven six two two six and then go
to eighteen seventy t do commerce an you.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Wow, that's good news.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
A member of the itex trading community, your I text
dollars are welcome and welcome back to our veteran source
radio show with Rock Nathan Oko. Today it's the Highwayman.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And the Bible, and the Bible was written not by
Moses but by Catherine Ens. We just discussed the fact
that the book is out of print and for the
September unveiling, I would imagine at the for the out
of collection in andover Massachusetts, that I suspect the book
will be Yeah, that's what if I was the publisher
(14:35):
and you that's what I would do. And that is
that the plan.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That is the plan, So it will be available.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, I'm looking forward to it, and I'm looking
forward to getting two books from you with your illustrious
I still have the one that I bought from the
original one. So what we want to do, I explained
to Catherine inter suasion. There are many adventures we can
discuss about the High Women, But to me, being a
(15:04):
collector as well as a dealer and an owner of
a gallery, one of the most frequent questions that I'm
asked is, well, you know, there were twenty six High
Women in the Hall of Fame in two thousand and four.
Unfortunately only four are with us today. We've lost twenty two.
And the questions are customers and collectors ask us, is
(15:26):
so what happens to the movement, and this is what
I've insteadive. Like all the other shows and interviews, I'd
like to discuss the past, the present, and the future
of the High Women movement. I have my own opinions.
I've expressed them to Susan and to Catherine, but you
can't express my views. You have to express yours. So
(15:49):
I think I'd like to begin. But you're telling us
a little bit from the background the High Women. The
Beanie back is the entire kind of a package in
a nutshell and just as a review.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Fact, yeah, well you know, and it relates in a
way to.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
The artist Beanie Bacchus, who uh was just widely considered
the master of the Florida landscape and his philosophy to
pay it forward, you know, teach as many people as
you can. And he really did not feel as he
(16:31):
you know, was painting and teaching. He wanted everybody to
achieve a greatness. He wanted people to become artists, people
like my brother, so much so that he sent my
brother to Parsons School of Design, where he had gone Yes,
exactly them there, yes, yes, his tuition amazing man. And
(16:57):
so I I see that as kind of this legacy
of the highwaymen as well that you know, the high
women artists have passed it on now and so you
know that's going to be I hope what their legacy
is that the they have this school or movement or
(17:22):
whatever you want to call that is there to capture
the Florida landscape, which we all know is this beautiful
paradise that they painted is gone now it's gone disappearing.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's like it's like a history book and painting figures.
It's really what it is.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, and I wrote this my book and I just
two thousand and nine that the it's only the beginning
and capturing a body of art yet to be fully
discovered and a story yet to fully unfold. So I think,
you know, it just is one of those things like
(18:03):
an onion, you just keep peeling the layers and it
gets you know, more and more, you know, spicy.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
So this is but the layers never disappear. You think
we'll keep on regenerating. That's what we're hoping that.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Well, look at how we met Michael today. That is
a big layer.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm so impressed. First of all, I got everybody Michael
is uh, he's been around. He grew up with uh
Port Pearson with the backus and the landscape and the
Highwoman's on. But he is his memory impeccable, the dates
and the names and occasions that he remembers. I'm impressed.
(18:44):
And it tells me something about the Enz family. And
speaking of that, your brother uh was uh who's a
publisher of the Indian River magazine. We had him as
a guest here and we've advertised the gallery is advertised
in the magazine. Mean, uh am, I am I not mistaken.
Didn't the story about the N's family go like three
(19:07):
or four issues in a row and now there's a
book there was you know, you look like you're not sure.
I think they. I think they published it in a book.
Four Now with the Nz family.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
He did another.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Historical group of articles that I think that was on
cal Creek, one of the care branches in the.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
West of Fort Pierce. That's going to be in a book.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I think that maybe already. And then he's got the
Ashley Gang. But going back, the point is he's very
prolific in his storytelling is and your storytelling is as
good as a back as our herald Newton painting well
I mean no, seriously, I mean, you it then you
understand that you feel it. That's and I think that
(20:04):
I'm safe and saying for Susan, certainly for me, the
move I mean it's like getting a shot in the
arm and you're you're sucked into a movement than I
have been. So okay. So what was that like in
the sixties, Well, it would be sixties and seventies more
probably the seventies, uh because fortunately back as being left
(20:26):
until nineteen ninety. Unfortunately Alpha Heir passed away because it
was coldly murdered in nineteen seventy. But what was it
like did people realize at the time or at the
time it's just, oh, look at these pretty paintings, But
nobody gave it a thought until all of a sudden
a book is written and then the publicity.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know, nobody gave it a thought. Really.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Let me say, as you probably know and Susan, is
that the highwaymen they were just you know, the guys
were selling all over the Treasure Coast area, which wasn't
even called the Treasure Coast back then. But yeah, they
were up and down, you know, stopping in everybody's house,
(21:14):
my friend's mom would buy this one of the guys
to be knocking on their back door. And you know,
so they proudly hung a couple of highwaymen I don't
know who in their living room, and my uncle had
a Harold Newton and James Gibson hanging in his insurance
office right there near Delaware Avenue and Fort PIERSO. You know,
(21:40):
they were all over and very well known. But once,
you know, Jim Fitch came along and kind of gave
them a name and this fame.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You know, we did. We had no idea, they were
just they were just guys and you know, kind of like.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I don't want it to mean the work, but it
was the more affordable backus definitely.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah. So plus you got a frame, right.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
But the interesting thing is you're talking about the date
element that were discussing. Susan wrote an article in a
Vero Beach magazine in the year two thousand. Now what
is significant about that, Well, that's before Gary Munroe's book
about the High Women, and it's before two thousand and
four with the twenty sixth Hall of Fame. So her
(22:38):
article which I and thank you, Susan, Susan bequeathed her
original magazine. For me, I'm a mini librarian, and we
made copies of them, a ten page copies and they're
available to everybody. One catch. We're not going to fact,
we're not going to mail, We're not going to send.
If you want your free copy of ten page of
(23:00):
the two thousand article, visit us at the gallery. This
is the incentive for us marketing wise to get you
in to visit our gallery. We're located eighteen seventy two
Commerce Avenue in Vero Beach three two nine six oh
and you can know and Saturdays we're open ten to three.
(23:21):
Weekdays were opened by appointments. Is called nine five four
five five seven six two two six. We'd love to
have you visit with us. We're going to take the
break now. When we come back, we're going to go
transition from the past to the present, and we'll have
ten twelve minutes to do that. Then we'll take the
(23:44):
last break of a minute, and then we'll discuss the
last ten minutes the future. And I think that's imperative
that all of you listen, because the futures were we're
all headed hopefully wright ss okay, So we'll be right
back and I gotta thank both of you so much.
This is a special show that a special recording date
(24:08):
that we did, and to me, this is monumental because
this is the podcast. It's going to go in with
the iHeart Library of Podcasts. Can't get any better than that.
So thank you. We'll be right back everybody. This is
our Veterans Voice Radio Ralph.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You got like fifteen seconds. Give you your phone number
again in the address.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Okay, Cindy told me to tell you my address and
phone number. The address is eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue
in Vero Beach three two nine six oh, and the
phone number is nine five four five five seven six
(24:47):
two two six and who was President of the United
States in eighteen seventy two. We'll be right back everybody.
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The same sort.
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All the things
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