August 5, 2025 • 24 mins
The Great Catherine Enns talks about the legacy of the Highwaymen Artists, Beanie Backus and the in-depth info for it all.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
And welcome back to our Veterans Soys Radio showing Ralph Nathan.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'll go welcome back everybody to the second half of
our Veterans Voice Radio with our special guests Catherine Enz,
who has written and I've neglected to tell the title
the Bible is the Journey of the High Woman, written
in two thousand and nine, three hundred and twenty four pages.
It's probably I'm going to guess this is like six
(00:34):
or seven pounds, give a take. I ship a lot
of books, so.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, I yes, I think it's about eight pounds better.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And the book is out of print. The book is
going to be reprinted a second printing in the scheduled
event that it will be air.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
This is making their way, the Florida High Woman painters,
and it's going to be an ex of high woman
paintings along with Bacchus and some other paintings like Herman
Hersog and Martin Johnson Heed.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Now Herman Hersog is part of the Hudson Valley, but
he also painted in northern central Florida, right, and if
you look at his paintings, you think you're looking at photographs.
That man was one of the most talented artists I've
ever seen. How do anybody hears that name?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, and so he really started one of the tradition
of Florida landscape paintings. Think about that, you know that
he There is just generations of people who have been
painting the Florida landscape. And I encourage anybody who's interested
(01:48):
to go see the collection of Sam and Robbie Vickers
at the University of Florida Harn Museum.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Of Art that would be in Gainesville in.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Gainesville, and it will really give you a historical perspective.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
How long artists have been painting. John Singer, Sargeant, you know,
the Wyotts, It's it's been you know, many famous artists.
And it's a wonderful exhibition. The collection that he the
Vicars worked their entire life. And if you can't get
(02:26):
up Harold Newton as well, you can't get up that far,
go to Ralph's gallery. He not only does highwaymen, he
not only just at the ends. Who, as we were
talking about during break, is a touchstone Tobaccus.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
You have madam what.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Is her name, zickmund c I K m U n D.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
She was a gypsy in the late nineteen thirties, in
the forties and early fifties and the Naples St. Pete
area a gypsy and she painted and when I started
collecting the highwaymen when I saw her kind of painting.
And then there's Horace Foster knows them. You heard him
(03:08):
at the time. Why he is a talent. He should
have been one of the group also. But the point is,
you bring up an interesting point we never discussed, and
that is how many prior that that artists that would
qualify to becoming landscape artists if nothing else? And yeah,
(03:28):
I agree with you as far as I blanked out
the artists, we were just talking about the hermaners A.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah, so that's an interesting point. Now.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So now the question is do I need to come
up with another page, and that's this historical figure. Landscape
artists not confuse the public right anyway.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
So now I wanted to get the public confuse us.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Well, it's easy to confuse RALP.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So now the question is, let's transition from the stage
of yesterday to the stage of today. And we're in
the third quarter, and this is the ten minutes that
we want to discuss.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Where are we at today?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Knowing that no one ever anticipated the climaxity, the tenacity,
the popularity of what the Highwayman movement represents and stands
for and thought of today in your wildest dream, did
you ever think you.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Would see this?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well? I hoped I would see it.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
And I'm going to say that that's one thing about
this exhibition in the Northeast. I really think that it's
going to give a wider audience to the Highwaymen. That's great,
and I so and you know that it's not just
a Florida thing or a Southern thing anymore, but something
(04:55):
that people can really see how this was the American
story about entrepreneurship and really using the tools just with
what you have to make your way in.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The world, and to tell a story in graphics. But
interesting enough, and you said something just a second ago,
it's also an American story.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
In another way.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
One of the genres is the seascapes, the ocean, or
the canals or the rivers. But when you look at
some of those paintings that it could be Massachusetts or California,
or upstate Washington or New York. The point is, and
that's where you were coming from. It's becoming an American
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institution of the school of Art, not just Treasure Coast
of three four.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Counties, and that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
People like, yeah, it's a beautiful story when you think
about it, and almost like a rags to riches in
a way. Yes, absolutely, it's magnificent and the sacrifices and
this is all having to live with something that we
may not understand, the Jim Crow era, what they had
(06:12):
to witness and literally survive and live through, we can't understand.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You know, if you break it, fall.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Down to break your hand and you're crying a pain,
I'll feel bad for you, but I can't feel your pain.
So how we can't say we know what they went through.
We think and we can legitimize it. So where are
we at today, Well, basically what you're.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Saying, well, I think just seeing this resurgence, and I'm
going to say that since as you said that there
are only four highwaymen still alive, I think it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think it's a new approach to art.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I think that you know, they're keeping a traditional live
and as Susan said, you know kind of it is
in a way a touchstone back to Baccus, and I
think that he would love that kind of legacy. So
(07:17):
I think it's really exciting to see what's unfolding. And
I'd love to see new artists making it and being
inspired and getting some success, because people don't go into
art to be.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
To make a lot of money. They just might happen.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
To, but they go into it for the love of it, exactly.
We met a girl over the weekend. She was taught.
Her name is Mary Anne Clawson. She was taught by
Al Black. She did two years studying with him. He
even came to stay at her place along with his
with Desiree. And she's just enamored of the whole thing.
(07:58):
She is into it and very talented, very talented. We
met her and here we go the touchstone back to Baccus.
So we're talking how old would you say she is?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
You know, she's got to be in her late fifties,
mid late fifties.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Would so think about it with backus passing in that
era and old mc madam's a gun to all of it.
It continues down the line and it's still continuing.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But you know, I got to put you on the
spot in a positive way. You know, you're Cathy, You're
mentioning how Bacchus was hoping for the future. One are
the most two famous quotes that you constantly remind everybody
the promises you made.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yes about the high woman, all right.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
So people say, well, Ralph always says that I'm an
ambassador for this movement. He also said to you, Catherine,
the same thing, and about himself. And people say, what
keeps you so interested? Well, I feel like I was
in the beginning, and I did. I got to know
the guys. George Buckner became a friend to my husband's,
which is a touchstone back to my husband. They would
(09:04):
they got each other. They would play music instruments together,
they would cook southern food. They would talk you know,
southern and have a grand old tom of it. And
they have to understand that what I'm saying with that,
And they got each other. George played the piano, my
husband to do the guitar or whatever they do. They
have fun. And George all of a sudden got sick
(09:25):
out of nowhere. Out of nowhere, I saw him, and
then he died. And he said, you know, he said
to me, he goes make us famous, make us famous,
and I have kept that promise. Went on from there,
you know, I've pushed him. I thought George was one
of the best. His detail and his painting is amazing.
Where he went one of twelve children, the eldest, the
(09:48):
father dying, and him getting you know, twelve children and
bringing them along you say eight, can you imagine another
four were twelve? Oh my gosh, and the father passing,
so that part. And then another one of my good
friends was Hezekiah Baker. He brought me to meet his mother.
Oh my gosh, she was such a Southern lady. We
(10:09):
ended up getting to know his son, who served in
the military and retired from the military. His thing, he
was going down with dementia Alzheimer's. I'm not sure exactly
what the diagnosis was, but we saw him starting to
forget things, and he said to me, that's why I
think it's so poignant. Don't let them forget us. He
(10:30):
died in two thousand and seven, I believe, so twenty
years later, almost twenty years later, we're still doing that.
We're not letting anybody forget this, and in that we're
not letting them forget back us. Because he did it
in an era when people didn't do stuff like that.
Was amazing, especially in a fault town, so he was hard.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Do you think that Susan and I are thinking in
the right way that we are ambassador as you are
in your way literature wise and the Museum of the
the show that you'll be doing in Massachusetts, but where
we're at today, are Susan and I representing the community
(11:15):
properly as far as holding their hand guiding them as
to where tomorrow will be beside of the movement?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Absolutely, I think you both have such insight into the
movement and you really kind of encompass what it really means.
And I just I think you're Your gallery is just wonderful.
It just has so many treasures and.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Gallery you read it just like I wrote it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Thank you for the compliment. I wasn't looking for them,
but just that we worked so hard at it. You
know when people come into the gallery, when people go
to Jetson's once a year in January, when people talk
to Susan, We're not out there pitching a sale. We're
pitching the highwaymen, and that comes first.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I've been lucky enough to yes, you go to a
few of the Harryman shows that justsons is just so wonderful.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It's just people interacting and getting to know the story.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
So we were lucky to have Catherine there selling a
few books that she had. Now the reprinting, how many
of them are going to be reprinting, I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, okay, we're going to take the last break, promise,
so we'll be back in about a minute. We will
continue talking to Catherine Ens and Susan A. Harris from
Jetson's and we're going to talk about tomorrow to Motto Tomato.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
So we'll be right back. Is our Veterans Voice Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And please, if you got any questions, Susan and I
available to you twenty four hours now. That's Susan Ralph's
Daylight hours. You can call me and I can always
put you in touch with Susan one at nine five
four five five seven six two six.
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Speaker 5 (14:09):
Hey, did you hear the latest about our Florida Highwoman?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
No what?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
There's a new Highwoman art gallery and Ero Beach.
Speaker 10 (14:16):
Really where eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue?
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
When's it open? Seven days a week? Called nine five
four five five seven six two two six for.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
An appointment any time, No kidding, Just call for your
appointment nine five four five five seven six two two
six and then go to eighteen seventy two Commerce Avenue.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
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Your I text dollars are welcome.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
That'll wake everybody up.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Welcome back to Arvred and Soy's radio showing Ralf Davanoko.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And Catherine Nantz who's written the book The Journey of
the High Woman that's extinct. It's out of print since
two thousand and nine. I don't even know how many
books are. Initially were published to fifty five hundred, one thousand,
who knows.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, it couldn't have been. It was let's say a thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, the good news is that you can visit Katherine
up in.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And over, Massachusetts in September through September, October, November, and December.
But no, Katherine won't be there up for four months,
but her book will be unveiled. The print, the second
print will be out in September, and I'm looking forward
to getting a copy of it. So we're discussing during
the short break about where we're going from here.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
And you know, there are many many artists out there,
whether they're the.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Direct offspring, the children, the boy the men and women
whose father or mother were the original twenty six high Women.
Then you've got a group of people, artists that were
trained and taught by the twenty six high Women. And
then you've got the group that they're just God born
(16:07):
gifts or just the audacity to learn how to become artists.
So take all those and that's my question to you.
Do you think that there's enough strength in the movement?
And I guess I'm asking you, Katherine and Susan, is
there enough strength in the movement to keep the motion forward,
(16:30):
not even slow it down? Because some of these artists
are extremely gallented, and they're considerably younger. Some may be
closer to my age, but majority are much younger than
all of us, and I think that the future is
just with them. So in other words, if you're a
(16:51):
lover of the Highwayman movement, yes you're in love with
the original twenty six and so on. But the point is,
if you're in love with the movement, you're in love
with the paintings, regardless of who painted them. Because those
paintings I like a history book, you know.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I think, as you say you're in love with the paintings,
you're in love with the romanticism of it. What I've
heard people saying now is one of the artists who
perhaps should have been a highwayman. Perhaps not, it's open
to conjecture. He started when he came back from Atlanta.
Norman Wright, I'm speaking of calling on mister Jetson, which
(17:29):
meant he called on me and saying I was there,
I should have been one. And then as I looked
into it more, his uncle's Al Black. His other uncle's
Isaac Knight, And he said, starting in nineteen seventy he
would go to the docks with Isaac Knight, his uncle,
and they painted pictures together. They sold them there and
they made frames, you know, to bring out there to
the For Pierce Jetty, I think he's got an impressionistic style.
(17:53):
And it's not just me. I hear other people saying it,
and that's what attracts a lot of people. So he's
not only highwaymenised. He's got the impressionistic. It's very almost
like Norman like you feel like he's Yeah, it's very
different and very impressionistic, and you get the feel. But
(18:14):
it's also uh in time, his time, and it's a place,
it's a mist it's whatever.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I think he paints with his heart.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
He is all hard and all emotion. I think that
is him.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And if anyone's ever watched him. Have you ever seen
him paint, Catherine? Okay, I've been at his house. I
would sit down at launch air and he would have
his boombox playing music, and then there's his easel and
the and the canvas or whatever. He's painting on the medium.
And now he's got his brush and I'm doing this
for the three ladies here in the room with me,
(18:49):
and he's eyeing the medium he's gonna paint on.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
He's got his arm full out.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Everybody who can't see this.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Okay, that's what okay.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And now he's starting to dance with the music and
he's painting on the medium. He is dancing while painting.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
I played a game with him. I shut the music off,
and it's like disconnecting the battery. What what did I
just do with my He stopped and he looked at me.
I took the back on and he said, right back on.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's the point, the fun of the movement, the art,
and now we see it here seven days a week.
I don't know, how do you find yourself talking about
the movement as much about the high Women every day.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Like or not?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I do not, because you know it's not something Now
when I'm in Florida. It's it's around and people are
interested in it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But I really think that.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
There are two sides to this, the history and what
compelled people to paint in the first place, that's the point,
and then the art that they made. So I think
we just have to be really mindful about maintaining the
integrity of that, the history, and not deluding it so much.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
What would cause delusion?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Well, and Susan, as she was at the forefront of us,
but getting that story right the first time, you know,
because I know that, you know, when we when I
talked to you know, a lot of the artists, it
was pretty soon after they had been named Thai women.
(20:45):
But you know, people's you know, our memories changed and
what happened, and and things get embellished or left out or.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Think about it twice or three times first saying it anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
So, Susan, I mean she if you want to say
talk that I wrote the Bible, really she did because
she wrote the first the first Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Yeah, Yeah, that's sweet, and that's kind you know what's
so funny about that. I have to tell you a
funny story, and we're not going to say what artist
it is who did this? But Ralph was in love
with the whole Highwayman movement from it. It was like
a little kid love was watching.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
A little boy in a candy store or his first
crush or whatever.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
He was on air.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Oh, Cindy, you had to see him. So anyway, I
get him a copy of the magazine. I found a
copy of that article in the first magazine. Who knew?
So I gave it to him and he was like
proud as punch. So he took it around to the
artist at that first Jeffson show and he gets autographed
and he shows it to somebody and this one artist said, oh,
(21:56):
didn't even look.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
To see who wrote it.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Didn't remember because now we're talking fifteen years or eleven years,
twelve years after it came out, and says, what idiot
wrote this story?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
They got it all wrong. Wait, so he comes up
to me all.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Sad and everything goes well, this artist said to you
about you, what idiot wrote this story? I said, yeah,
the idiot who got that artist to sign okay, And
everything was okay and factual in this signed off on.
Because memories, as Catherine is saying, they change, perception changes
things change, you know, But that was the story then,
(22:33):
at that time, at that moment in time, that was
the story. What yours is the Bible, Catherine. Even if
you're my friend and you said.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That, all I can tell you is I'm becoming more
and more religious with your Bibles, both of you.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
So I want to thank both literally. Catherine, thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Your reprinting of the book, and thank you for literally
giving us this biblical work of art and Susan is always.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Thank you for being in my life.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Thank you, Ralph, Thank you Cindy for having me in
the studio. Catherine, Thank you for being because you are
the one who reaches back to the beginning and being.
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And welcome back to our Veterans Soys Radio showing Ralph Nathan.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'll go welcome back everybody to the second half of
our Veterans Voice Radio with our special guests Catherine Enz,
who has written and I've neglected to tell the title
the Bible is the Journey of the High Woman, written
in two thousand and nine, three hundred and twenty four pages.
It's probably I'm going to guess this is like six
(00:34):
or seven pounds, give a take. I ship a lot
of books, so.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, I yes, I think it's about eight pounds better.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And the book is out of print. The book is
going to be reprinted a second printing in the scheduled
event that it will be air.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
This is making their way, the Florida High Woman painters,
and it's going to be an ex of high woman
paintings along with Bacchus and some other paintings like Herman
Hersog and Martin Johnson Heed.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Now Herman Hersog is part of the Hudson Valley, but
he also painted in northern central Florida, right, and if
you look at his paintings, you think you're looking at photographs.
That man was one of the most talented artists I've
ever seen. How do anybody hears that name?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, and so he really started one of the tradition
of Florida landscape paintings. Think about that, you know that
he There is just generations of people who have been
painting the Florida landscape. And I encourage anybody who's interested
(01:48):
to go see the collection of Sam and Robbie Vickers
at the University of Florida Harn Museum.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Of Art that would be in Gainesville in.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Gainesville, and it will really give you a historical perspective.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
How long artists have been painting. John Singer, Sargeant, you know,
the Wyotts, It's it's been you know, many famous artists.
And it's a wonderful exhibition. The collection that he the
Vicars worked their entire life. And if you can't get
(02:26):
up Harold Newton as well, you can't get up that far,
go to Ralph's gallery. He not only does highwaymen, he
not only just at the ends. Who, as we were
talking about during break, is a touchstone Tobaccus.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
You have madam what.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Is her name, zickmund c I K m U n D.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
She was a gypsy in the late nineteen thirties, in
the forties and early fifties and the Naples St. Pete
area a gypsy and she painted and when I started
collecting the highwaymen when I saw her kind of painting.
And then there's Horace Foster knows them. You heard him
(03:08):
at the time. Why he is a talent. He should
have been one of the group also. But the point is,
you bring up an interesting point we never discussed, and
that is how many prior that that artists that would
qualify to becoming landscape artists if nothing else? And yeah,
(03:28):
I agree with you as far as I blanked out
the artists, we were just talking about the hermaners A.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah, so that's an interesting point. Now.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So now the question is do I need to come
up with another page, and that's this historical figure. Landscape
artists not confuse the public right anyway.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
So now I wanted to get the public confuse us.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Well, it's easy to confuse RALP.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So now the question is, let's transition from the stage
of yesterday to the stage of today. And we're in
the third quarter, and this is the ten minutes that
we want to discuss.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Where are we at today?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Knowing that no one ever anticipated the climaxity, the tenacity,
the popularity of what the Highwayman movement represents and stands
for and thought of today in your wildest dream, did
you ever think you.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Would see this?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well? I hoped I would see it.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
And I'm going to say that that's one thing about
this exhibition in the Northeast. I really think that it's
going to give a wider audience to the Highwaymen. That's great,
and I so and you know that it's not just
a Florida thing or a Southern thing anymore, but something
(04:55):
that people can really see how this was the American
story about entrepreneurship and really using the tools just with
what you have to make your way in.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The world, and to tell a story in graphics. But
interesting enough, and you said something just a second ago,
it's also an American story.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
In another way.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
One of the genres is the seascapes, the ocean, or
the canals or the rivers. But when you look at
some of those paintings that it could be Massachusetts or California,
or upstate Washington or New York. The point is, and
that's where you were coming from. It's becoming an American
(05:40):
institution of the school of Art, not just Treasure Coast
of three four.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Counties, and that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
People like, yeah, it's a beautiful story when you think
about it, and almost like a rags to riches in
a way. Yes, absolutely, it's magnificent and the sacrifices and
this is all having to live with something that we
may not understand, the Jim Crow era, what they had
(06:12):
to witness and literally survive and live through, we can't understand.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You know, if you break it, fall.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Down to break your hand and you're crying a pain,
I'll feel bad for you, but I can't feel your pain.
So how we can't say we know what they went through.
We think and we can legitimize it. So where are
we at today, Well, basically what you're.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Saying, well, I think just seeing this resurgence, and I'm
going to say that since as you said that there
are only four highwaymen still alive, I think it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think it's a new approach to art.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I think that you know, they're keeping a traditional live
and as Susan said, you know kind of it is
in a way a touchstone back to Baccus, and I
think that he would love that kind of legacy. So
(07:17):
I think it's really exciting to see what's unfolding. And
I'd love to see new artists making it and being
inspired and getting some success, because people don't go into
art to be.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
To make a lot of money. They just might happen.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
To, but they go into it for the love of it, exactly.
We met a girl over the weekend. She was taught.
Her name is Mary Anne Clawson. She was taught by
Al Black. She did two years studying with him. He
even came to stay at her place along with his
with Desiree. And she's just enamored of the whole thing.
(07:58):
She is into it and very talented, very talented. We
met her and here we go the touchstone back to Baccus.
So we're talking how old would you say she is?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
You know, she's got to be in her late fifties,
mid late fifties.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Would so think about it with backus passing in that
era and old mc madam's a gun to all of it.
It continues down the line and it's still continuing.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But you know, I got to put you on the
spot in a positive way. You know, you're Cathy, You're
mentioning how Bacchus was hoping for the future. One are
the most two famous quotes that you constantly remind everybody
the promises you made.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yes about the high woman, all right.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
So people say, well, Ralph always says that I'm an
ambassador for this movement. He also said to you, Catherine,
the same thing, and about himself. And people say, what
keeps you so interested? Well, I feel like I was
in the beginning, and I did. I got to know
the guys. George Buckner became a friend to my husband's,
which is a touchstone back to my husband. They would
(09:04):
they got each other. They would play music instruments together,
they would cook southern food. They would talk you know,
southern and have a grand old tom of it. And
they have to understand that what I'm saying with that,
And they got each other. George played the piano, my
husband to do the guitar or whatever they do. They
have fun. And George all of a sudden got sick
(09:25):
out of nowhere. Out of nowhere, I saw him, and
then he died. And he said, you know, he said
to me, he goes make us famous, make us famous,
and I have kept that promise. Went on from there,
you know, I've pushed him. I thought George was one
of the best. His detail and his painting is amazing.
Where he went one of twelve children, the eldest, the
(09:48):
father dying, and him getting you know, twelve children and
bringing them along you say eight, can you imagine another
four were twelve? Oh my gosh, and the father passing,
so that part. And then another one of my good
friends was Hezekiah Baker. He brought me to meet his mother.
Oh my gosh, she was such a Southern lady. We
(10:09):
ended up getting to know his son, who served in
the military and retired from the military. His thing, he
was going down with dementia Alzheimer's. I'm not sure exactly
what the diagnosis was, but we saw him starting to
forget things, and he said to me, that's why I
think it's so poignant. Don't let them forget us. He
(10:30):
died in two thousand and seven, I believe, so twenty
years later, almost twenty years later, we're still doing that.
We're not letting anybody forget this, and in that we're
not letting them forget back us. Because he did it
in an era when people didn't do stuff like that.
Was amazing, especially in a fault town, so he was hard.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Do you think that Susan and I are thinking in
the right way that we are ambassador as you are
in your way literature wise and the Museum of the
the show that you'll be doing in Massachusetts, but where
we're at today, are Susan and I representing the community
(11:15):
properly as far as holding their hand guiding them as
to where tomorrow will be beside of the movement?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Absolutely, I think you both have such insight into the
movement and you really kind of encompass what it really means.
And I just I think you're Your gallery is just wonderful.
It just has so many treasures and.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Gallery you read it just like I wrote it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Thank you for the compliment. I wasn't looking for them,
but just that we worked so hard at it. You
know when people come into the gallery, when people go
to Jetson's once a year in January, when people talk
to Susan, We're not out there pitching a sale. We're
pitching the highwaymen, and that comes first.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I've been lucky enough to yes, you go to a
few of the Harryman shows that justsons is just so wonderful.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It's just people interacting and getting to know the story.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
So we were lucky to have Catherine there selling a
few books that she had. Now the reprinting, how many
of them are going to be reprinting, I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, okay, we're going to take the last break, promise,
so we'll be back in about a minute. We will
continue talking to Catherine Ens and Susan A. Harris from
Jetson's and we're going to talk about tomorrow to Motto Tomato.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
So we'll be right back. Is our Veterans Voice Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And please, if you got any questions, Susan and I
available to you twenty four hours now. That's Susan Ralph's
Daylight hours. You can call me and I can always
put you in touch with Susan one at nine five
four five five seven six two six.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (14:12):
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Speaker 5 (14:13):
There's a new Highwoman art gallery and Ero Beach.
Speaker 10 (14:16):
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Speaker 9 (14:19):
Wow?
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Speaker 5 (14:41):
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Speaker 1 (14:43):
Welcome back to Arvred and Soy's radio showing Ralf Davanoko.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And Catherine Nantz who's written the book The Journey of
the High Woman that's extinct. It's out of print since
two thousand and nine. I don't even know how many
books are. Initially were published to fifty five hundred, one thousand,
who knows.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, it couldn't have been. It was let's say a thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, the good news is that you can visit Katherine
up in.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And over, Massachusetts in September through September, October, November, and December.
But no, Katherine won't be there up for four months,
but her book will be unveiled. The print, the second
print will be out in September, and I'm looking forward
to getting a copy of it. So we're discussing during
the short break about where we're going from here.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
And you know, there are many many artists out there,
whether they're the.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Direct offspring, the children, the boy the men and women
whose father or mother were the original twenty six high Women.
Then you've got a group of people, artists that were
trained and taught by the twenty six high Women. And
then you've got the group that they're just God born
(16:07):
gifts or just the audacity to learn how to become artists.
So take all those and that's my question to you.
Do you think that there's enough strength in the movement?
And I guess I'm asking you, Katherine and Susan, is
there enough strength in the movement to keep the motion forward,
(16:30):
not even slow it down? Because some of these artists
are extremely gallented, and they're considerably younger. Some may be
closer to my age, but majority are much younger than
all of us, and I think that the future is
just with them. So in other words, if you're a
(16:51):
lover of the Highwayman movement, yes you're in love with
the original twenty six and so on. But the point is,
if you're in love with the movement, you're in love
with the paintings, regardless of who painted them. Because those
paintings I like a history book, you know.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I think, as you say you're in love with the paintings,
you're in love with the romanticism of it. What I've
heard people saying now is one of the artists who
perhaps should have been a highwayman. Perhaps not, it's open
to conjecture. He started when he came back from Atlanta.
Norman Wright, I'm speaking of calling on mister Jetson, which
(17:29):
meant he called on me and saying I was there,
I should have been one. And then as I looked
into it more, his uncle's Al Black. His other uncle's
Isaac Knight, And he said, starting in nineteen seventy he
would go to the docks with Isaac Knight, his uncle,
and they painted pictures together. They sold them there and
they made frames, you know, to bring out there to
the For Pierce Jetty, I think he's got an impressionistic style.
(17:53):
And it's not just me. I hear other people saying it,
and that's what attracts a lot of people. So he's
not only highwaymenised. He's got the impressionistic. It's very almost
like Norman like you feel like he's Yeah, it's very
different and very impressionistic, and you get the feel. But
(18:14):
it's also uh in time, his time, and it's a place,
it's a mist it's whatever.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I think he paints with his heart.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
He is all hard and all emotion. I think that
is him.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And if anyone's ever watched him. Have you ever seen
him paint, Catherine? Okay, I've been at his house. I
would sit down at launch air and he would have
his boombox playing music, and then there's his easel and
the and the canvas or whatever. He's painting on the medium.
And now he's got his brush and I'm doing this
for the three ladies here in the room with me,
(18:49):
and he's eyeing the medium he's gonna paint on.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
He's got his arm full out.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Everybody who can't see this.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Okay, that's what okay.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And now he's starting to dance with the music and
he's painting on the medium. He is dancing while painting.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
I played a game with him. I shut the music off,
and it's like disconnecting the battery. What what did I
just do with my He stopped and he looked at me.
I took the back on and he said, right back on.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's the point, the fun of the movement, the art,
and now we see it here seven days a week.
I don't know, how do you find yourself talking about
the movement as much about the high Women every day.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
Like or not?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I do not, because you know it's not something Now
when I'm in Florida. It's it's around and people are
interested in it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But I really think that.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
There are two sides to this, the history and what
compelled people to paint in the first place, that's the point,
and then the art that they made. So I think
we just have to be really mindful about maintaining the
integrity of that, the history, and not deluding it so much.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
What would cause delusion?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Well, and Susan, as she was at the forefront of us,
but getting that story right the first time, you know,
because I know that, you know, when we when I
talked to you know, a lot of the artists, it
was pretty soon after they had been named Thai women.
(20:45):
But you know, people's you know, our memories changed and
what happened, and and things get embellished or left out or.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Think about it twice or three times first saying it anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
So, Susan, I mean she if you want to say
talk that I wrote the Bible, really she did because
she wrote the first the first Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
Yeah, Yeah, that's sweet, and that's kind you know what's
so funny about that. I have to tell you a
funny story, and we're not going to say what artist
it is who did this? But Ralph was in love
with the whole Highwayman movement from it. It was like
a little kid love was watching.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
A little boy in a candy store or his first
crush or whatever.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
He was on air.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Oh, Cindy, you had to see him. So anyway, I
get him a copy of the magazine. I found a
copy of that article in the first magazine. Who knew?
So I gave it to him and he was like
proud as punch. So he took it around to the
artist at that first Jeffson show and he gets autographed
and he shows it to somebody and this one artist said, oh,
(21:56):
didn't even look.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
To see who wrote it.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Didn't remember because now we're talking fifteen years or eleven years,
twelve years after it came out, and says, what idiot
wrote this story?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
They got it all wrong. Wait, so he comes up
to me all.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Sad and everything goes well, this artist said to you
about you, what idiot wrote this story? I said, yeah,
the idiot who got that artist to sign okay, And
everything was okay and factual in this signed off on.
Because memories, as Catherine is saying, they change, perception changes
things change, you know, But that was the story then,
(22:33):
at that time, at that moment in time, that was
the story. What yours is the Bible, Catherine. Even if
you're my friend and you said.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That, all I can tell you is I'm becoming more
and more religious with your Bibles, both of you.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
So I want to thank both literally. Catherine, thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Your reprinting of the book, and thank you for literally
giving us this biblical work of art and Susan is always.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Thank you for being in my life.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Thank you, Ralph, Thank you Cindy for having me in
the studio. Catherine, Thank you for being because you are
the one who reaches back to the beginning and being.
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