September 30, 2025 • 32 mins
Rodney Alcala, known as The Dating Game Killer, was one of America’s most chilling serial killers. This video looks at his life, crimes, and how he managed to hide in plain sight—even appearing on national TV.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'll talk about how all gun slingers and it's serial
killer time of the month this time. I bet you
everybody has heard of this guy. Yeah, this guy, they
call him the dating game killer. I'm sure we've all
heard about that. But he doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Really that much of a story.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
This is probably only gonna be maybe max twenty twenty
five minutes here. But he was a high profile guy,
figured to get him out of the way. Rodney James Elkala,
he's a convicted sex offender. We'll get to that. Before
he started killing, and then he was sentenced to death
in California for five murders between nineteen seventy seven and
seventy nine, and then a.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Whole host of.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Trials and connections to him once DNA came about. I
think his last trial was in like twenty ten or eleven. Finally,
and yeah, he's been actually connected to nine murders linked conclusively.
As we all know what these guys, the number could
be as high as one. Thirty investigators are saying about him. Huh.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
He was born in August twenty third, nineteen forty three,
San Antonio, Texas, third of four kids to a Mexican
American couple, Raoul al Kala Bukor and his mama, Ana
Maria Gudierez. Life had started off pretty normal. The things
shifted in nineteen fifty one when his father moved the
whole family to Mexico.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Then just three years later, as they had abandoned them
all together, she found him a little senorita.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Where he got killed by a cartell Maybe in.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Nineteen fifty four. Ridney was eleven, his mama packed him
all up, him and his sisters and they headed back
to They headed over to Los.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Angeles, Oh Jesus, and made it worse.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Growing up in La Ekala, he was actually a bright kid,
academically gifted, reasonably popular with his peers, and a close
connection with his family As well, I mean he's Mexican. Mexican,
and they're pretty close, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's cool. He went to various private schools around the area,
graduated from Campwell Sacred Heart Mary High School. He was
on the yearbook planning committee and ran on the track
and crossed country teams. Take a look. In nineteen sixty one,
we're going to fast track to age seventeen, Elkala he
joined the United States Army to become me a paratrooper.
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He ended up serving as a clerk. During his time
in the military, he got a reputation for being manipulative, vindictive, insubordinate,
just all around bad guy, bad hombre. He was disciplined
severl times for assaulting young women.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
In nineteen sixty four, things take an even worse turn.
He had what was described as a nervous breakdown. Apparently
he went a wall hitchhike from Fort Bragg in North
Carolina all the way to his mom's house in California.
A military psychiatrist eventually diagnos him with anti social personality
disorder and he pegged his IQ at one thirty five.
Pretty smart fellow. Because of that, he got discharged from
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the Army on medical grounds. So gone a disharmable. Later
on dernest trials that we'll hear about other psychiatric experts
through and more diagnoses narcissisist personality disorder, borderline personality disorder,
and malignant narcissism with psychothopy and sexual sadism, core morbid
y morbiditis was a messed up uh.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Whoa, it's crazy. After leaving the army, he went back
to school graduated from UCLA School of Arts and Architecture.
He also studied film at New York University wo NYU.
There there was a claim later that he studied on
the Roman Polanski. We all knew who that guy, yes,
(04:19):
but they ain't true. He never even met him. It
wasn't long before he started committing crimes, though Rodney. He
attacked Morgan Rowan in July of nineteen sixty eight. This
detail came out after his death in twenty twenty one.
Went Rowing then sixty eight contacted one of the original
investigators on another case, Steve Hodel. She said that she
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was living in Hollywood at the time and got approached
by Ocalla at a teen nightclub on the Sunset Strip.
She got into his car thinking he was driving to
a night hop or something. Instead, he took her to
his apartment where he wanted to hop.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Right where he hopped? Right where he hop.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
He claimed he was a party, and once there he
dragged her into his bedroom when he was having party.
All right, he barred the door and he beat the
shit out of her and then raped her.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Rowan was rescued and her friends and acquaintance says, broke
in through a window. How they know where she was?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
El Calla fled and her friends pulled her out of
the apartment. Just a couple months later, How didn't they
know it was him? It was his apartment?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Just a couple months later, September twenty fifth, nineteen sixty eight,
it came the assault on Tally Shapiro, who was only
eight years old.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I have a bitch.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
A passing motorist named Donald Haynes he saw a Cala
Lord Shapiro into his Hollywood apartment and called the Pope.
Howel right Shapiro on? He was staying at the Chateau Shapiro.
She was staying at the Chateau Marmont with her family.
She was on her way to school when al Calla
pulled up in his car, and asked if she needed
a ride. Why is you kid eight years old and
going to school by on themselves.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Don't you teach your kids not to get in vehicles?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, well, she did say no at first, but when
he claimed he knew her parents, she's like, oh, all right,
and she got in. By the time they got to
his apartment, he said he wanted to show her a picture.
When cops arrived, they found Shapiro alive, but in a
pool of her own blood. She's been raped so bad
and beaten severely with a steel bar. Oh my goodness.
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El Cala had already fled the scene, and Shapiro ended
up in a coma for thirty two days. Spent months recovering.
To dodge the arrest warrant from the Shapiro saut Kella,
he skipped California and that's when he enrolled the NYU
under the name John Berger. John Berger.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Oh, that's where. On June twelfth, nineteen seventy one, he
murdered Cornelia Crilly. She was a twenty three year old
trans World Airlines flight attendant. She was found raped and
murdered in her Manhattan apartment at four twenty seven East
eighty third Street. He strangled her with her own nylon stockings.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Bitch.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's believed Crilly meant el Calla while moving into her
new place and accepted his help with some furniture. Her
case stayed unsolved until twenty eleven, when it was officially
tied to Elcala with DNA.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Oh my goodness, finally crazy she s that. Very same
year of nineteen seventy one, he ended up getting a
job at a new Hampshire arts camp called Camp New Beginnings.
This is in the village of George Mills on Lake Sunapee.
He was working as a counselor for the kids. Oh shit,
it's lasting you need all right? Using the slightly different
alias this time, John Berger spelled with the U instead
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of E. Early in nineteen seventy one, that's what an idiot.
Early in nineteen seventy one, the FBI they added him
to their ten most Wanted list. A few months later,
two campers at the arts camp spotted his photo on
an FBI poster at the post office, and then in
August of nineteen seventy one, he was arrested and extra
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diited back to O'Kelly faced his accusers.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Unfortunately, by then Tally Shapiro's parents moved the whole family
back to Mexico, and they wouldn't let her testify. Oh no,
without their main witness, prosecutors couldn't go for rape and
attempted murder charges instead. Alkala got convicted of child but lestation,
a way lesser charge apparently, and sentence of three years
and paroled at nineteen seventy four after serving only thirty
four months.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Wow. Less than two months.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
After he got released Alcala he was rearrested for assaulting
a thirteen year old girl identified in court records as
Julie J.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I mean that's enough right there? Right? Holy shit?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, she'd accepted what she thought was a ride to school.
He got convicted again, this time served two years. I
was paroled to nineteen seventy seven as a registered sex offender.
Right after a second release, his Los Angeles parole officer
made an unusual call. Somehow this idiot let a repeat
sexual offender of little girls had a known flight rist
to travel all.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The way to New York City. My goodness, what an
idiot man? So incompetent. Fucking California NYPD investigators now think
that just a week after he got back to Manhattan
fifteenth of July or so, nineteen seventy seven, he killed
Ellen Jane Hover. She was just twenty three years old.
She was the daughter of a night club owner Herman,
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and god daughter to Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Junior.
Oh Shit was last seen at a New York apartment.
Her date book showed an appointment with John Berger with
the E that very day. Her remains were found in
nineteen seventy eight, buried under heavy rocks on the hillside
overlooking the Hudson River. This is a nary spot on
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the John D. Rockefeller estate where an aspiring model later
said Berger had taken her photos. Oh Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well still in nineteen ninety seven, though the FBI they
got a tip about el Calla's nineteen seventy one arrests
tied to the Shapiro case. They questioned him. He admitted
to Noen Hover, but they couldn't arrest them since they
hadn't found.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Her body yet.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Around this time, June of seventy seven, Christine Ruth Thornton
twenty eight, she went missing. She'd moved from her family
to San Antonio with her lover, but they split in
blocks in Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Oh Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
She was last seen hitchhiking and never heard from a game.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He's a monster. Her body was found nineteen eighty two
near Granger, Wyoming. It's about six miles from Interstate eighty,
but wasn't even identified until twenty fifteen when DNA from
a relatives match tissue samples.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
She's a Jane Doe for all those years. She was
about six months pregnant at the time. Oh Son of
a Bitch. September twenty sixteen, A Kella was charged with
her murder, and he also admitted to taking a photo
of her, one that her sister recognized twenty thirteen from
a public release, but he denied killing her. He was
seventy three and reportedly too ill to even travel from
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California to Wyoming for trial.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Also in seventy seven July ninth, there's a case of
Antoine Jean Whittaker. She was a thirteen year old student
living in a foster home in Seattle. She walked out
with an unidentified man that night, and a week later
her body was found, fully clothed and propped up on
her hands and knees and a vacant lot in Lake City, Seattle,
she'd been stabbed to death with no evidence of sexual assault.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Seattle police named al Kala a person of interest to
this and other onsolt murders in Washington state in twenty ten,
especially since he had a Seattle area a storage locker
where they found jewelry from two of US California victims
in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Nine wow Well. Then in ninth of October seventy seven,
Marion County, California, just north of sam Brand nineteen year
old Pamela Jean Lambson. They call her Pam obviously. She
disappeared after heading to Fisherman's Wharf to meet a man
who'd offered a photographer. Her battered, naked body was found
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on a high contrail. No fingerprints or usable at DNA
led the choges back then, but March twenty eleven, investigators
said that they were confident that el Kala did it
based on a sufficient evidence. Moving November ninth, nineteen seventy seven,
Elkala murdered eighteen year old Jill Terry Barkholm from Onoida,
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New York. He dumped her body on a dirt path
near Muhalland Drive in Los Angeles and.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Was found in a need a chess position. Well, she
was found in a need to chess position, naked from
the waist down with signs of sexual assault. She'd been
strangled with blue rope ties, beaten, and had three bite
marks on her right breast. He's at first cops thought
she was a hillside strangler victim.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
If you did, we do hillside yet.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
But after Kenneth Bianci and Angelo Wallah, yeah, we'll get
to those guys. After they were arrested and didn't confess
or get convicted for it, they ruled it unrelated. Right
December sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven, al Calla, he killed again,
this time twenty seven year old nurse Georgia Marie Wixted
in her Malamu apartment. She was last seen driving another nurse,
Barbara Gail, home from the bar when she didn't show
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it for work. The next day, Gale and co workers
reported her missing. Police found signs of fourth entry. Wixted
was posed naked on her bedroom floor, strangled with her nylons.
She toobe sexually assaulted, her skull bashed in, and her
genitals mutilated. He's getting a little.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
More sick with jeez, come on man. Prosecutors later used
DNA in a handprint to link out Kala to that
Later in nineteen seventy seven, he ended up moving back
to LA where he worked briefly as a typesetter at
the LA Times. What and he got interviewed by the
Hills Side Strangler task Force. Well, they were checking down
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sex offender. Well check it down, we were checking known
sex offenders. Oh geez, But.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Didn't he have a warn out for the one right
thing in California? That's why he moved to New York.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
He was ruled out as a strangler, but got arrested.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And oh no, he got right busted in New York
for that right.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
He was ruled out as a strangler and got it,
but also got arrested and served a short sentence for marijuana.
During this period, he convinced hundreds of young men and
women he was a professional fashion photographer, and he took
their pictures for his portfolio.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Oh fellow Los Angeles Times coworker later recalled him sharing
photos with workmates. They said, I thought it was weird,
but I was young. I didn't know anything. When I
asked why he took the photos, he said their moms
asked them to I remember the girls were naked.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
In nineteen seventy nine, seventeen year old Leanne Liedham who
el calaphotograph. She said he said he was a professional,
so in my mind I was being a model.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
For him, right.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
She also reported his portfolio had spread after spread of
naked teenage boys as well. He's not convicted for no boys,
but there had to beens im out there that he did.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Seventeenth February nineteen seventy eight, there's another Seattle case involving
seventeen year old Joyce Francine Gaunt. She was found nude
fades down the picnic area in Seaward Park, her skall crushed, beaten, strangled,
sexually assaulted. Sounds like him. The mentally disabled teen had
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been living in a group home on Capitol Hill. Was
the last scene leaving to meet an unidentified man on
the sixteen February. Why are they let him leave? He
had a mentally disabled tea and oh go ahead? Nineteen
seventy eight ran in the middle of his killing spree Elcala.
He appeared as a contestant on the popular game show
The Dating Game. Host Jim Lang He introduced him as
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a successful photographer. Between takes, she might find him skydiving
or a motorcycling.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
He said, the hell of a guy.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Fellow bachelor Jed Mills. He later said that he was
a very strange guy with bizarre opinions. Well as you
would guess. El Calla one got the date with a bachelorette,
Sheryl Bradshaw, but she backed out because she found him.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Creepy, surprised he didn't go after and kill her right
that it didn't matter because he was still murdering this time.
June twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, thirty two year old
legal secretary Charlotte Lamb from Santa Monica was killed. She
was found dead in the launch room of her Elsagundo
apartment complex, sexually assaulted, beaten, strangled with the shoelace and
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posed with her hands behind her back. DNA from the
scene atch el Callas and DNA on ear rings and
his swords locker. They matched Lambs. That was the one
in Seattle that they found the earrings. February fourteenth, nineteen
seventy nine, now Kala, he picked up a fifteen year
old hitchhiker, Monique hoit in Riverside County as well.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Oh wow, as you would guess. He took her to
his apartment, raped her, then drove to his occlude to
spot in Joshua Tree, which is in Kelly. There he
photographed her in underwear, raped her again, bound and gagged her.
Continued assaulted her with more rape insodomy. He bludgeoned her
with a rock, but he escaped when he stopped at
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a gas station on the way back. She reported it.
No Kayla arrested, but his mom posted bail. Oh wow,
what well? Not allowed?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
On On June thirteenth, nineteen seventy nine, to kill twenty
one year old computer keypunch operator Jill Marie Parentoe.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
How the fuck this guy rent to get bond? There's
no fucking way.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah wow. Killed Jill Marie Parento in her Burbank apartment.
She left work early for a baseball game and didn't
show up.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
The next day.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Police found fourth entry. Parento was naked on her bathroom floor,
posed with pillows under her shoulders. She'd been sexually assaulted, beaten,
and strangled. Her killer this time cut himself on a window.
Oh Blood later identified Alcala as the killer.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
My goodness. Well, A friend, Katherine Bryant, testified that she'd
met at Kella at a club with Parento several times before.
A week later, twentieth of June nineteen seventy nine, twelve
year old Robin Christine Samso from Huntingdon Beach disappeared while
bike into ballet class. Her deco posing body was found
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twelve days later in the Los Angeles Foothills off sant
Anita Canyon Road, beaten, raped and stabbed. Her friend said
a stranger approached them on the beach to take pictures
a sketch match a Kella recognized by his paro officer.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
In July nineteen seventy nine, he was arrested for Samsung's
murder and held without bail, without bail, good Finally, holy shit.
He went to trial May of nineteen eighty God guilty,
sure all right, was found guilty and sentenced to death
in June.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
We all know how that goes.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But in nineteen eighty four, the California Supreme Court overturned
it because jurors heard about his prior sex crimes improperly.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oh jeez.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
May of nineteen eighty six, a second trial, almost identical,
but without the prior record testimony, and it was another
guilty verdict and death sentence in August. Yeah, California Supreme
Court upheld that in nineteen ninety two. But at Calla
he filed at federal habeas corpus petition. You know, you
got to go through every single fucking.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Court, fucking bullshit. Two thousand and one in the United
States District Court judge he granted it, overturning the conviction
on a piece of shit. A Ninth Circuit Court panel
upheld it in two thousand and three. No, partly because
the witness wasn't allowed to back at Callas to claim
that the park ranger who found Samsung's body was hypnotized
by the police investigators.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, you can't hypnize, hypnotis or whatever. It is not
admissible in court.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
While prepping for a third trial in two thousand and three,
Orange County investigators used new state laws to sampa Kella's
DNA and he objected that, but it doesn't matter because
it matched seemen at two LA rape murder scenes. That's enough.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Unfortunately for him. Another DNA match in two thousand and
four led to indictments for four more murders. Barkham in
nineteen seventy seven, wix Ted in nineteen seventy seven, Lamb
in nineteen seventy eight, and Parento in nineteen seventy nine.
All the bodies, like we said, pose and carefully chosen
positions earrings once again in a Seattle locker, had a
residue match in Lamb's DNA. Between the second and third trials,
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this guy he self published a book called You the
Jury and which he claimed innocence and SAMs case and
pointing to another suspect, I'm gonna help you, but no.
They also suit the California penal system twice, once for
a slip and fall, what the fuck my neck, my back,
my neck, got my back, and once again for not
providing a little fat die.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I'll get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Two thousand and three, prosecutors moved to join Sam so
charged with the four other new ones we talked about
al Cala lawyers. Obviously, they obviously fought it. I'm saying
one murder might allow reasonable doubt, but five four of
them had DNA evidence. It made it tough to right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I mean, come that eye that two down.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Six California Supreme Court sided with the prosecutors, and in
February two ten, al Kala went to trial on the
five joined charges, acting as his own attorney.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It doesn't fucking matter. He was sentenced death in nineteen
eighty six. The fuck out of here got overturned. Yeah,
that's why they should have killed him right away. Songs
right up there and the list of sewer killers, said
Los Angeles Police Department police detective Cliff Shepherd, who was
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in the department's cold case unit and got like those
cold case units. Him being behind bar since nineteen seventy
nine probably saved a lot of lives, that's what he said.
Mister al Kella left a trail of evil and multiple
states and multiple counties, says Laed District Attorney Steve Cooley,
Orange County District Attorney Tony or Ricaucus. He said that
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el Calla's arrested and Robin SAMSO's death was the only
reason he stopped killing. I mean, clearly, geez, you found
it in the last spot you looked. Al Kala refused
the jail house interview, and his attorney declined to discuss
the new charges. Authority said al Kalam met the women
in discos and other public places.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Flirted with them and then followed them home when they
spurned his advances. Reality is he was running around southern
California in the seventies looking for praise.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
As of thirty other fuckers were too.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
That's what La County Sheriff's Captain Ray p the head
of the homicide BIRO, says he looked for innocent victims
who couldn't put up much of a fight and caught
them when they were home, in bed and pretty much defenseless.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Sheriff's detective Eryl Comstock has been investigating the cases since
the DNA links were found. She interviewed at Kel in
prison several times and was able to confirm that he
was not behind bars at the time of the killings.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No shit.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Wickstead's sister and brother in law, and inn L Micheline
of Irvine. They said that Okel is coming in arrayment
was a relief they can finally get closure.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I just regret that most of my family didn't live
long enough to hear the news, said Anne, particularly of
their mother. For the past twenty five years, I've been
constantly looking over my shoulder, not knowing what I was
looking for or who I was looking for. Got to
the point where I thought I would never know, but
I never stopped wondering.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
No, never could have.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
She said, the chargers coming after more than twenty five
years should give hope to families in similar situations. Think
her husband, who retired in August after twenty five years
of investigating killings and supervising the LA Police Department's robbery
homicide unit. He had regularly checked the case of status
with the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
He wasn't doing very good.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
He never knew Wicksteed, though he met his future wife
shortly after her sister's death. Seeing how the killing affected
his wife, he said it shaped his interactions with victims
he met through work.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Al Kala even took the stand for five hours, playing
both interrogator and witness. He called himself mister al Kella
in a deep voice, then answering.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's like that one dude, we covered the Long Island
train shooter guy. Remember he was his own lawyer and
was like objecting to his own.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
He would ramble on in monotone, claiming that he was
at Knots Buried farm job hunting. When Samsue was getting that,
He's like, there's no way I was playing very job.
He showed his aiding game clip to prove earrings in
his locker were his, not hers. Just made anything you
killed her before the dating game? Dummy, right. Jed Mills
said that men didn't wear ear rings in nineteen seventy eight,
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and he'd have noticed.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Jed Mills is the other contestant on a dating game.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He's like I would notice if he had earrings on?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right, No oh al kla. He barely disputed the other
charges though, just saying he couldn't remember killing him. In closing,
he played Arlo Guthrie's Alys's Restaurant, where the protagonist says
he wants to kill all right. The jury ended up
convicting him on all five first degree murders after less
than two days. In the penalty phase, Tally Shapiro remember
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her Oh wow, surprise witness after thirty years. That was
a big pop, right, he' damn fucking damn judge, only
bringing out fucking people to get pops. The defense psychiatrist
Richard Rappaport said borderline personality disorder could explain memory lapses,
or he's just a fucking liar, right, It makes more
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than my right there, Jesus prostrators called Cala a sexual
predator who knew it was wrong and it didn't even care.
March twenty ten, he got death for the third time
after two thousand ten conviction. New York said they dropped
pursuit since he was awaiting execution, but in January twenty eleven,
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Manhattan grand jury and died in them anyway for crily
in nineteen seventy one, over in nineteen seventy seven, and
in June twenty twelve, he was extradited in New York
and played get not guilty at first, and then later
in December twenty twelve, he said, you know what, I'm guilty.
He's wanting to return back to California for death penalty appeals.
Right January seven, twenty thirteen, a Manhattan judge sent them
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to twenty five years to life, only because New York
abolisad death penalty in two thousand and seven. That's not
really why. March twenty ten, Hunting and Hunting and Beach
and New York City Public In New York City Police
released one hundred and twenty of Alcala's photos to the
public wow open to id some victims. About nine hundred
more were too explicit to release. In the first week,
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some twenty one women identified themselves and at least six
families thought they saw missin loved ones as well damn.
By twenty thirteen, though none were linked to missing persons
or unsolved murders except for Christine Thornton and her photo.
One hundred and ten photos are still online. Police they're
still asking for help.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
They fear some subjects are cold case victims when well,
shit right. In some other cases they think he might
have got them. There's no evidence right either way. Twenty ten,
so he had a police id Alcala for unsolved murders
given their he had his locker there. They targeted reinvestigations
in California and New York, New Hampshire, and Arizona. In
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one case in particular, twenty year old Cherry Anne Greenman
was lasting in Waterville, Washington, September fourteenth, seventy six, after
getting out of jail.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh't look at her well. A photo from Malkewa's locker
was shown to her family. They said, that's I'm not her.
While in California's death row Elkella died of a heart
attack at a hospital in King's County July twenty four,
twenty twenty one, seventy seven years.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Old, ten years after being convicted the third time and
for the death.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Penalty ridiculous man stupidity. In the media, his story has
been covered a bunch US twenty ten CBS is forty
eight Hours Mystery. They did an episode called Rodney Alkella
The Killing Game in twenty seventeen. Reels Murder Made Me Famous,
(27:33):
had one called The Dating Game Killer. Fit in ABC's
twenty twenty did The Dating Game Killer in twenty twenty one.
There's also a twenty seventeen biographic film directed by Peter Medak,
also called The Dating Game Killer. This was on Investigation
Discovery and in twenty twenty two with their three part
(27:53):
docu series called Dating Death. And in twenty twenty four, Oh,
Netflix had to get in the action. They released of
the hour, directed by and starring Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
You might know her from.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It covers from uh, it covers some of his murders
and his Dating Game appearance. Oh right, that half assed documentary.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Neverwek right, it's kind of like this podcast, So kudos
to you. Netflix, Call it if you need us.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
All right, Welcome back to the podcast with Anna Kendricks
and may Name.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Uh yeah, that was the old Roddy Alkella dating game killer.
Don't do wouldn't be a long one, but I mean
he killed.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And got caught.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And was in prison for forty years before something happened
to him.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
One of the longest death road and fucking history, holy.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Shit, seventy nine nine nineteen forty years, fucking insane in reality,
though insanity it was only ten years officially since the
other ones got overturned.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
The dating game killer. We've heard of them, but nobody really,
I bet you not many people really knew what he
did to what extent.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But I really don't agree with the death penalty. But
if you're gonna have the death penalty, and you give
somebody a death penalty, it should be non negotiable, no appeals,
know nothing, because.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
If you're that's kind of done.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
If they got one hundred percent evidence that this guy
did it, it should be not.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
There's a judicial system for a reason. You gotta follow
the rules.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Not if you're one hundred percent guilty.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Matter to follow the rules. If you're a hundred percent guilty,
you shouldn't need all these little games at these fucking prosecutors.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You should play. It's true. That's the reason.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Why appeals go through. Clearly there was something in there
that the appeals got overturned twice.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The one was because they got hurt of the murders
or something. Keep the shit up, that's true.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
So yeah, that's Ronnie Okalla. Next week we'll be back
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Speaker 4 (31:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'll talk about how all gun slingers and it's serial
killer time of the month this time. I bet you
everybody has heard of this guy. Yeah, this guy, they
call him the dating game killer. I'm sure we've all
heard about that. But he doesn't have.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Really that much of a story.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
This is probably only gonna be maybe max twenty twenty
five minutes here. But he was a high profile guy,
figured to get him out of the way. Rodney James Elkala,
he's a convicted sex offender. We'll get to that. Before
he started killing, and then he was sentenced to death
in California for five murders between nineteen seventy seven and
seventy nine, and then a.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Whole host of.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Trials and connections to him once DNA came about. I
think his last trial was in like twenty ten or eleven. Finally,
and yeah, he's been actually connected to nine murders linked conclusively.
As we all know what these guys, the number could
be as high as one. Thirty investigators are saying about him. Huh.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
He was born in August twenty third, nineteen forty three,
San Antonio, Texas, third of four kids to a Mexican
American couple, Raoul al Kala Bukor and his mama, Ana
Maria Gudierez. Life had started off pretty normal. The things
shifted in nineteen fifty one when his father moved the
whole family to Mexico.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Then just three years later, as they had abandoned them
all together, she found him a little senorita.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Where he got killed by a cartell Maybe in.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Nineteen fifty four. Ridney was eleven, his mama packed him
all up, him and his sisters and they headed back
to They headed over to Los.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Angeles, Oh Jesus, and made it worse.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Growing up in La Ekala, he was actually a bright kid,
academically gifted, reasonably popular with his peers, and a close
connection with his family As well, I mean he's Mexican. Mexican,
and they're pretty close, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's cool. He went to various private schools around the area,
graduated from Campwell Sacred Heart Mary High School. He was
on the yearbook planning committee and ran on the track
and crossed country teams. Take a look. In nineteen sixty one,
we're going to fast track to age seventeen, Elkala he
joined the United States Army to become me a paratrooper.
(02:58):
He ended up serving as a clerk. During his time
in the military, he got a reputation for being manipulative, vindictive, insubordinate,
just all around bad guy, bad hombre. He was disciplined
severl times for assaulting young women.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
In nineteen sixty four, things take an even worse turn.
He had what was described as a nervous breakdown. Apparently
he went a wall hitchhike from Fort Bragg in North
Carolina all the way to his mom's house in California.
A military psychiatrist eventually diagnos him with anti social personality
disorder and he pegged his IQ at one thirty five.
Pretty smart fellow. Because of that, he got discharged from
(03:37):
the Army on medical grounds. So gone a disharmable. Later
on dernest trials that we'll hear about other psychiatric experts
through and more diagnoses narcissisist personality disorder, borderline personality disorder,
and malignant narcissism with psychothopy and sexual sadism, core morbid
y morbiditis was a messed up uh.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Whoa, it's crazy. After leaving the army, he went back
to school graduated from UCLA School of Arts and Architecture.
He also studied film at New York University wo NYU.
There there was a claim later that he studied on
the Roman Polanski. We all knew who that guy, yes,
(04:19):
but they ain't true. He never even met him. It
wasn't long before he started committing crimes, though Rodney. He
attacked Morgan Rowan in July of nineteen sixty eight. This
detail came out after his death in twenty twenty one.
Went Rowing then sixty eight contacted one of the original
investigators on another case, Steve Hodel. She said that she
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was living in Hollywood at the time and got approached
by Ocalla at a teen nightclub on the Sunset Strip.
She got into his car thinking he was driving to
a night hop or something. Instead, he took her to
his apartment where he wanted to hop.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Right where he hopped? Right where he hop.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
He claimed he was a party, and once there he
dragged her into his bedroom when he was having party.
All right, he barred the door and he beat the
shit out of her and then raped her.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Rowan was rescued and her friends and acquaintance says, broke
in through a window. How they know where she was?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
El Calla fled and her friends pulled her out of
the apartment. Just a couple months later, How didn't they
know it was him? It was his apartment?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Just a couple months later, September twenty fifth, nineteen sixty eight,
it came the assault on Tally Shapiro, who was only
eight years old.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I have a bitch.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
A passing motorist named Donald Haynes he saw a Cala
Lord Shapiro into his Hollywood apartment and called the Pope.
Howel right Shapiro on? He was staying at the Chateau Shapiro.
She was staying at the Chateau Marmont with her family.
She was on her way to school when al Calla
pulled up in his car, and asked if she needed
a ride. Why is you kid eight years old and
going to school by on themselves.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Don't you teach your kids not to get in vehicles?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, well, she did say no at first, but when
he claimed he knew her parents, she's like, oh, all right,
and she got in. By the time they got to
his apartment, he said he wanted to show her a picture.
When cops arrived, they found Shapiro alive, but in a
pool of her own blood. She's been raped so bad
and beaten severely with a steel bar. Oh my goodness.
(06:09):
El Cala had already fled the scene, and Shapiro ended
up in a coma for thirty two days. Spent months recovering.
To dodge the arrest warrant from the Shapiro saut Kella,
he skipped California and that's when he enrolled the NYU
under the name John Berger. John Berger.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Oh, that's where. On June twelfth, nineteen seventy one, he
murdered Cornelia Crilly. She was a twenty three year old
trans World Airlines flight attendant. She was found raped and
murdered in her Manhattan apartment at four twenty seven East
eighty third Street. He strangled her with her own nylon stockings.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Bitch.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's believed Crilly meant el Calla while moving into her
new place and accepted his help with some furniture. Her
case stayed unsolved until twenty eleven, when it was officially
tied to Elcala with DNA.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Oh my goodness, finally crazy she s that. Very same
year of nineteen seventy one, he ended up getting a
job at a new Hampshire arts camp called Camp New Beginnings.
This is in the village of George Mills on Lake Sunapee.
He was working as a counselor for the kids. Oh shit,
it's lasting you need all right? Using the slightly different
alias this time, John Berger spelled with the U instead
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of E. Early in nineteen seventy one, that's what an idiot.
Early in nineteen seventy one, the FBI they added him
to their ten most Wanted list. A few months later,
two campers at the arts camp spotted his photo on
an FBI poster at the post office, and then in
August of nineteen seventy one, he was arrested and extra
(07:38):
diited back to O'Kelly faced his accusers.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Unfortunately, by then Tally Shapiro's parents moved the whole family
back to Mexico, and they wouldn't let her testify. Oh no,
without their main witness, prosecutors couldn't go for rape and
attempted murder charges instead. Alkala got convicted of child but lestation,
a way lesser charge apparently, and sentence of three years
and paroled at nineteen seventy four after serving only thirty
four months.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Wow. Less than two months.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
After he got released Alcala he was rearrested for assaulting
a thirteen year old girl identified in court records as
Julie J.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I mean that's enough right there? Right? Holy shit?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, she'd accepted what she thought was a ride to school.
He got convicted again, this time served two years. I
was paroled to nineteen seventy seven as a registered sex offender.
Right after a second release, his Los Angeles parole officer
made an unusual call. Somehow this idiot let a repeat
sexual offender of little girls had a known flight rist
to travel all.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The way to New York City. My goodness, what an
idiot man? So incompetent. Fucking California NYPD investigators now think
that just a week after he got back to Manhattan
fifteenth of July or so, nineteen seventy seven, he killed
Ellen Jane Hover. She was just twenty three years old.
She was the daughter of a night club owner Herman,
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and god daughter to Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Junior.
Oh Shit was last seen at a New York apartment.
Her date book showed an appointment with John Berger with
the E that very day. Her remains were found in
nineteen seventy eight, buried under heavy rocks on the hillside
overlooking the Hudson River. This is a nary spot on
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the John D. Rockefeller estate where an aspiring model later
said Berger had taken her photos. Oh Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well still in nineteen ninety seven, though the FBI they
got a tip about el Calla's nineteen seventy one arrests
tied to the Shapiro case. They questioned him. He admitted
to Noen Hover, but they couldn't arrest them since they
hadn't found.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Her body yet.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Around this time, June of seventy seven, Christine Ruth Thornton
twenty eight, she went missing. She'd moved from her family
to San Antonio with her lover, but they split in
blocks in Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Oh Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
She was last seen hitchhiking and never heard from a game.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He's a monster. Her body was found nineteen eighty two
near Granger, Wyoming. It's about six miles from Interstate eighty,
but wasn't even identified until twenty fifteen when DNA from
a relatives match tissue samples.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
She's a Jane Doe for all those years. She was
about six months pregnant at the time. Oh Son of
a Bitch. September twenty sixteen, A Kella was charged with
her murder, and he also admitted to taking a photo
of her, one that her sister recognized twenty thirteen from
a public release, but he denied killing her. He was
seventy three and reportedly too ill to even travel from
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California to Wyoming for trial.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Also in seventy seven July ninth, there's a case of
Antoine Jean Whittaker. She was a thirteen year old student
living in a foster home in Seattle. She walked out
with an unidentified man that night, and a week later
her body was found, fully clothed and propped up on
her hands and knees and a vacant lot in Lake City, Seattle,
she'd been stabbed to death with no evidence of sexual assault.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Seattle police named al Kala a person of interest to
this and other onsolt murders in Washington state in twenty ten,
especially since he had a Seattle area a storage locker
where they found jewelry from two of US California victims
in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Nine wow Well. Then in ninth of October seventy seven,
Marion County, California, just north of sam Brand nineteen year
old Pamela Jean Lambson. They call her Pam obviously. She
disappeared after heading to Fisherman's Wharf to meet a man
who'd offered a photographer. Her battered, naked body was found
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on a high contrail. No fingerprints or usable at DNA
led the choges back then, but March twenty eleven, investigators
said that they were confident that el Kala did it
based on a sufficient evidence. Moving November ninth, nineteen seventy seven,
Elkala murdered eighteen year old Jill Terry Barkholm from Onoida,
(11:52):
New York. He dumped her body on a dirt path
near Muhalland Drive in Los Angeles and.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Was found in a need a chess position. Well, she
was found in a need to chess position, naked from
the waist down with signs of sexual assault. She'd been
strangled with blue rope ties, beaten, and had three bite
marks on her right breast. He's at first cops thought
she was a hillside strangler victim.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
If you did, we do hillside yet.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
But after Kenneth Bianci and Angelo Wallah, yeah, we'll get
to those guys. After they were arrested and didn't confess
or get convicted for it, they ruled it unrelated. Right
December sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven, al Calla, he killed again,
this time twenty seven year old nurse Georgia Marie Wixted
in her Malamu apartment. She was last seen driving another nurse,
Barbara Gail, home from the bar when she didn't show
(12:43):
it for work. The next day, Gale and co workers
reported her missing. Police found signs of fourth entry. Wixted
was posed naked on her bedroom floor, strangled with her nylons.
She toobe sexually assaulted, her skull bashed in, and her
genitals mutilated. He's getting a little.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
More sick with jeez, come on man. Prosecutors later used
DNA in a handprint to link out Kala to that
Later in nineteen seventy seven, he ended up moving back
to LA where he worked briefly as a typesetter at
the LA Times. What and he got interviewed by the
Hills Side Strangler task Force. Well, they were checking down
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sex offender. Well check it down, we were checking known
sex offenders. Oh geez, But.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Didn't he have a warn out for the one right
thing in California? That's why he moved to New York.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
He was ruled out as a strangler, but got arrested.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And oh no, he got right busted in New York
for that right.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
He was ruled out as a strangler and got it,
but also got arrested and served a short sentence for marijuana.
During this period, he convinced hundreds of young men and
women he was a professional fashion photographer, and he took
their pictures for his portfolio.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Oh fellow Los Angeles Times coworker later recalled him sharing
photos with workmates. They said, I thought it was weird,
but I was young. I didn't know anything. When I
asked why he took the photos, he said their moms
asked them to I remember the girls were naked.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
In nineteen seventy nine, seventeen year old Leanne Liedham who
el calaphotograph. She said he said he was a professional,
so in my mind I was being a model.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
For him, right.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
She also reported his portfolio had spread after spread of
naked teenage boys as well. He's not convicted for no boys,
but there had to beens im out there that he did.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Seventeenth February nineteen seventy eight, there's another Seattle case involving
seventeen year old Joyce Francine Gaunt. She was found nude
fades down the picnic area in Seaward Park, her skall crushed, beaten, strangled,
sexually assaulted. Sounds like him. The mentally disabled teen had
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been living in a group home on Capitol Hill. Was
the last scene leaving to meet an unidentified man on
the sixteen February. Why are they let him leave? He
had a mentally disabled tea and oh go ahead? Nineteen
seventy eight ran in the middle of his killing spree Elcala.
He appeared as a contestant on the popular game show
The Dating Game. Host Jim Lang He introduced him as
(15:12):
a successful photographer. Between takes, she might find him skydiving
or a motorcycling.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
He said, the hell of a guy.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Fellow bachelor Jed Mills. He later said that he was
a very strange guy with bizarre opinions. Well as you
would guess. El Calla one got the date with a bachelorette,
Sheryl Bradshaw, but she backed out because she found him.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Creepy, surprised he didn't go after and kill her right
that it didn't matter because he was still murdering this time.
June twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, thirty two year old
legal secretary Charlotte Lamb from Santa Monica was killed. She
was found dead in the launch room of her Elsagundo
apartment complex, sexually assaulted, beaten, strangled with the shoelace and
(15:56):
posed with her hands behind her back. DNA from the
scene atch el Callas and DNA on ear rings and
his swords locker. They matched Lambs. That was the one
in Seattle that they found the earrings. February fourteenth, nineteen
seventy nine, now Kala, he picked up a fifteen year
old hitchhiker, Monique hoit in Riverside County as well.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Oh wow, as you would guess. He took her to
his apartment, raped her, then drove to his occlude to
spot in Joshua Tree, which is in Kelly. There he
photographed her in underwear, raped her again, bound and gagged her.
Continued assaulted her with more rape insodomy. He bludgeoned her
with a rock, but he escaped when he stopped at
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a gas station on the way back. She reported it.
No Kayla arrested, but his mom posted bail. Oh wow,
what well? Not allowed?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
On On June thirteenth, nineteen seventy nine, to kill twenty
one year old computer keypunch operator Jill Marie Parentoe.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
How the fuck this guy rent to get bond? There's
no fucking way.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah wow. Killed Jill Marie Parento in her Burbank apartment.
She left work early for a baseball game and didn't
show up.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
The next day.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Police found fourth entry. Parento was naked on her bathroom floor,
posed with pillows under her shoulders. She'd been sexually assaulted, beaten,
and strangled. Her killer this time cut himself on a window.
Oh Blood later identified Alcala as the killer.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
My goodness. Well, A friend, Katherine Bryant, testified that she'd
met at Kella at a club with Parento several times before.
A week later, twentieth of June nineteen seventy nine, twelve
year old Robin Christine Samso from Huntingdon Beach disappeared while
bike into ballet class. Her deco posing body was found
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twelve days later in the Los Angeles Foothills off sant
Anita Canyon Road, beaten, raped and stabbed. Her friend said
a stranger approached them on the beach to take pictures
a sketch match a Kella recognized by his paro officer.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
In July nineteen seventy nine, he was arrested for Samsung's
murder and held without bail, without bail, good Finally, holy shit.
He went to trial May of nineteen eighty God guilty,
sure all right, was found guilty and sentenced to death
in June.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
We all know how that goes.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But in nineteen eighty four, the California Supreme Court overturned
it because jurors heard about his prior sex crimes improperly.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oh jeez.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
May of nineteen eighty six, a second trial, almost identical,
but without the prior record testimony, and it was another
guilty verdict and death sentence in August. Yeah, California Supreme
Court upheld that in nineteen ninety two. But at Calla
he filed at federal habeas corpus petition. You know, you
got to go through every single fucking.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Court, fucking bullshit. Two thousand and one in the United
States District Court judge he granted it, overturning the conviction
on a piece of shit. A Ninth Circuit Court panel
upheld it in two thousand and three. No, partly because
the witness wasn't allowed to back at Callas to claim
that the park ranger who found Samsung's body was hypnotized
by the police investigators.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, you can't hypnize, hypnotis or whatever. It is not
admissible in court.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
While prepping for a third trial in two thousand and three,
Orange County investigators used new state laws to sampa Kella's
DNA and he objected that, but it doesn't matter because
it matched seemen at two LA rape murder scenes. That's enough.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Unfortunately for him. Another DNA match in two thousand and
four led to indictments for four more murders. Barkham in
nineteen seventy seven, wix Ted in nineteen seventy seven, Lamb
in nineteen seventy eight, and Parento in nineteen seventy nine.
All the bodies, like we said, pose and carefully chosen
positions earrings once again in a Seattle locker, had a
residue match in Lamb's DNA. Between the second and third trials,
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this guy he self published a book called You the
Jury and which he claimed innocence and SAMs case and
pointing to another suspect, I'm gonna help you, but no.
They also suit the California penal system twice, once for
a slip and fall, what the fuck my neck, my back,
my neck, got my back, and once again for not
providing a little fat die.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I'll get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Two thousand and three, prosecutors moved to join Sam so
charged with the four other new ones we talked about
al Cala lawyers. Obviously, they obviously fought it. I'm saying
one murder might allow reasonable doubt, but five four of
them had DNA evidence. It made it tough to right.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I mean, come that eye that two down.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Six California Supreme Court sided with the prosecutors, and in
February two ten, al Kala went to trial on the
five joined charges, acting as his own attorney.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
It doesn't fucking matter. He was sentenced death in nineteen
eighty six. The fuck out of here got overturned. Yeah,
that's why they should have killed him right away. Songs
right up there and the list of sewer killers, said
Los Angeles Police Department police detective Cliff Shepherd, who was
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in the department's cold case unit and got like those
cold case units. Him being behind bar since nineteen seventy
nine probably saved a lot of lives, that's what he said.
Mister al Kella left a trail of evil and multiple
states and multiple counties, says Laed District Attorney Steve Cooley,
Orange County District Attorney Tony or Ricaucus. He said that
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el Calla's arrested and Robin SAMSO's death was the only
reason he stopped killing. I mean, clearly, geez, you found
it in the last spot you looked. Al Kala refused
the jail house interview, and his attorney declined to discuss
the new charges. Authority said al Kalam met the women
in discos and other public places.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Flirted with them and then followed them home when they
spurned his advances. Reality is he was running around southern
California in the seventies looking for praise.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
As of thirty other fuckers were too.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
That's what La County Sheriff's Captain Ray p the head
of the homicide BIRO, says he looked for innocent victims
who couldn't put up much of a fight and caught
them when they were home, in bed and pretty much defenseless.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Sheriff's detective Eryl Comstock has been investigating the cases since
the DNA links were found. She interviewed at Kel in
prison several times and was able to confirm that he
was not behind bars at the time of the killings.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No shit.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Wickstead's sister and brother in law, and inn L Micheline
of Irvine. They said that Okel is coming in arrayment
was a relief they can finally get closure.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I just regret that most of my family didn't live
long enough to hear the news, said Anne, particularly of
their mother. For the past twenty five years, I've been
constantly looking over my shoulder, not knowing what I was
looking for or who I was looking for. Got to
the point where I thought I would never know, but
I never stopped wondering.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
No, never could have.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
She said, the chargers coming after more than twenty five
years should give hope to families in similar situations. Think
her husband, who retired in August after twenty five years
of investigating killings and supervising the LA Police Department's robbery
homicide unit. He had regularly checked the case of status
with the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
He wasn't doing very good.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
He never knew Wicksteed, though he met his future wife
shortly after her sister's death. Seeing how the killing affected
his wife, he said it shaped his interactions with victims
he met through work.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Al Kala even took the stand for five hours, playing
both interrogator and witness. He called himself mister al Kella
in a deep voice, then answering.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's like that one dude, we covered the Long Island
train shooter guy. Remember he was his own lawyer and
was like objecting to his own.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
He would ramble on in monotone, claiming that he was
at Knots Buried farm job hunting. When Samsue was getting that,
He's like, there's no way I was playing very job.
He showed his aiding game clip to prove earrings in
his locker were his, not hers. Just made anything you
killed her before the dating game? Dummy, right. Jed Mills
said that men didn't wear ear rings in nineteen seventy eight,
(24:11):
and he'd have noticed.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Jed Mills is the other contestant on a dating game.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He's like I would notice if he had earrings on?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right, No oh al kla. He barely disputed the other
charges though, just saying he couldn't remember killing him. In closing,
he played Arlo Guthrie's Alys's Restaurant, where the protagonist says
he wants to kill all right. The jury ended up
convicting him on all five first degree murders after less
than two days. In the penalty phase, Tally Shapiro remember
(24:37):
her Oh wow, surprise witness after thirty years. That was
a big pop, right, he' damn fucking damn judge, only
bringing out fucking people to get pops. The defense psychiatrist
Richard Rappaport said borderline personality disorder could explain memory lapses,
or he's just a fucking liar, right, It makes more
(24:59):
than my right there, Jesus prostrators called Cala a sexual
predator who knew it was wrong and it didn't even care.
March twenty ten, he got death for the third time
after two thousand ten conviction. New York said they dropped
pursuit since he was awaiting execution, but in January twenty eleven,
(25:19):
Manhattan grand jury and died in them anyway for crily
in nineteen seventy one, over in nineteen seventy seven, and
in June twenty twelve, he was extradited in New York
and played get not guilty at first, and then later
in December twenty twelve, he said, you know what, I'm guilty.
He's wanting to return back to California for death penalty appeals.
Right January seven, twenty thirteen, a Manhattan judge sent them
(25:42):
to twenty five years to life, only because New York
abolisad death penalty in two thousand and seven. That's not
really why. March twenty ten, Hunting and Hunting and Beach
and New York City Public In New York City Police
released one hundred and twenty of Alcala's photos to the
public wow open to id some victims. About nine hundred
more were too explicit to release. In the first week,
(26:05):
some twenty one women identified themselves and at least six
families thought they saw missin loved ones as well damn.
By twenty thirteen, though none were linked to missing persons
or unsolved murders except for Christine Thornton and her photo.
One hundred and ten photos are still online. Police they're
still asking for help.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
They fear some subjects are cold case victims when well,
shit right. In some other cases they think he might
have got them. There's no evidence right either way. Twenty ten,
so he had a police id Alcala for unsolved murders
given their he had his locker there. They targeted reinvestigations
in California and New York, New Hampshire, and Arizona. In
(26:45):
one case in particular, twenty year old Cherry Anne Greenman
was lasting in Waterville, Washington, September fourteenth, seventy six, after
getting out of jail.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh't look at her well. A photo from Malkewa's locker
was shown to her family. They said, that's I'm not her.
While in California's death row Elkella died of a heart
attack at a hospital in King's County July twenty four,
twenty twenty one, seventy seven years.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Old, ten years after being convicted the third time and
for the death.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Penalty ridiculous man stupidity. In the media, his story has
been covered a bunch US twenty ten CBS is forty
eight Hours Mystery. They did an episode called Rodney Alkella
The Killing Game in twenty seventeen. Reels Murder Made Me Famous,
(27:33):
had one called The Dating Game Killer. Fit in ABC's
twenty twenty did The Dating Game Killer in twenty twenty one.
There's also a twenty seventeen biographic film directed by Peter Medak,
also called The Dating Game Killer. This was on Investigation
Discovery and in twenty twenty two with their three part
(27:53):
docu series called Dating Death. And in twenty twenty four, Oh,
Netflix had to get in the action. They released of
the hour, directed by and starring Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
You might know her from.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It covers from uh, it covers some of his murders
and his Dating Game appearance. Oh right, that half assed documentary.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Neverwek right, it's kind of like this podcast, So kudos
to you. Netflix, Call it if you need us.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
All right, Welcome back to the podcast with Anna Kendricks
and may Name.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Uh yeah, that was the old Roddy Alkella dating game killer.
Don't do wouldn't be a long one, but I mean
he killed.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And got caught.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And was in prison for forty years before something happened
to him.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
One of the longest death road and fucking history, holy.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Shit, seventy nine nine nineteen forty years, fucking insane in reality,
though insanity it was only ten years officially since the
other ones got overturned.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
The dating game killer. We've heard of them, but nobody really,
I bet you not many people really knew what he
did to what extent.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But I really don't agree with the death penalty. But
if you're gonna have the death penalty, and you give
somebody a death penalty, it should be non negotiable, no appeals,
know nothing, because.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
If you're that's kind of done.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
If they got one hundred percent evidence that this guy
did it, it should be not.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
There's a judicial system for a reason. You gotta follow
the rules.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Not if you're one hundred percent guilty.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Matter to follow the rules. If you're a hundred percent guilty,
you shouldn't need all these little games at these fucking prosecutors.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
You should play. It's true. That's the reason.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Why appeals go through. Clearly there was something in there
that the appeals got overturned twice.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
The one was because they got hurt of the murders
or something. Keep the shit up, that's true.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
So yeah, that's Ronnie Okalla. Next week we'll be back
to finally, finally violent wrap up unless I'm unseen for
unforeseen circumstances, finally wrapping up to luke Azy Family with
Henry Hill and uh he Henry Hill, and then we'll
be another banditos and remastered and rounded out again with
(30:22):
another serial killer. You know how we do around here,
like subscribe, share with friends, leaves comment, leave a review
where we go after Colombo Colombo's and then that's it
for the five families and yeah, share some friends, all
that good stuff. We'll see you next week for the
wrap up of the luke Azy Family, where the month
of bch again is by name.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
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