March 9, 2021 • 21 mins
The Elder Wand.
In the chaos of the battle the group try to hide the body of Fred and then figure out where Voldemort is so they can finish this, once and for all.
In this episode of Owl Post: A Harry Potter Podcast hosts Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing talk about the thirty-second chapter of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. We discuss the repercussions of Fred's death, dealing with emotion, seeing where Voldemort is, lots of action, getting to the Shrieking Shack, call backs, Voldemort and Snape.
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Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing
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In the chaos of the battle the group try to hide the body of Fred and then figure out where Voldemort is so they can finish this, once and for all.
In this episode of Owl Post: A Harry Potter Podcast hosts Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing talk about the thirty-second chapter of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. We discuss the repercussions of Fred's death, dealing with emotion, seeing where Voldemort is, lots of action, getting to the Shrieking Shack, call backs, Voldemort and Snape.
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Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing
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(00:03):
Welcome to the Nude Paul team.Ah Miles Head. Your outpost for the
(00:24):
week is freshly delivered, and Iam just one of the host here Matthew
rushing and with me as she isevery single week, the one, the
only Drea Kaufman. Hello, Hey, how are you? I am here
and don't sound funky this week?So that's a good sign. Hi really
(00:46):
listened to something else I recorded forwork that week and yikes, man,
I feel bad for everyone. Sothanks for sticking with us through that.
Well, it happens, you know, but we wanted to make sure that
everybody got an episode. So butno, I'm excited to be here,
you know. And of course talkabout this chapter, Chapter thirty two,
(01:11):
the Elder one. And before weget to the chapter, of course,
remember you can find us wherever youget your podcasts. To make sure your
subscribe so you're getting the show assoon as it drops, and you can
find us on Twitter at Joint nerdParty or on Facebook at Facebook dot com,
slash the Nerdparty. We on Instagramat the nerd Party, and of
course you can go to the Nerdpartydot com where you can see everything that
(01:33):
we're doing. And of course Youcan go over to the contact section and
send us an email if you'd like, at the nerdparty dot com slash contact.
We've gotten a few emails recently,Dre of just people telling us that
they're really enjoying the show. Ialways love getting those, you know,
It's it's so much fun to knowthat people are listening. And we really
just appreciate you dropping us a lineand letting us know how much you love
(01:57):
the show. So really appreciate that. And um, yeah, it's exciting
where I can't believe, you know, we we don't really have too much
left here and um yeah it's goingIt's it's crazy. So um but Dream,
this chapter is a lot of action. I mean there's just a lot
(02:19):
going on and um so one ofthe way we start the chapter is the
repercussions of Fred's death and not havinga lot of time to really deal with
that and so um and and themhaving to try and find a place where
they can store Fred's body so hopefullythey can come back to later, because
(02:43):
I mean this chapter is utter chaosas to what's happening. Yeah. I
actually there's a few instances in thisone where I had to like read it
and then read it, like readit and read a few paragraphs are page
down, and then go back anddo it again so I can make sure
I really understood everything that was happening, because there is like a lot,
like you've said, there's a lotjust happening action wise here. Yeah,
(03:06):
I think they don't really let up, you know, you're kind of left
with this cliffhanger, and then theydon't really pick up from the cliffhanger,
just keeps going. But it was, you know, it was really touching.
So we talk about you know,Fred's body and trying to move it
to a place where it can befound. This whole rest of the book
differs a lot from the movie becausein the movie, he kind of what
(03:28):
happens at the end of this chaptersort of happens right after Fred dies.
In the movie, like the seriesof events just don't quite stack up the
same. And just how devastated andhow much of an impact it's made on
Percy is quite quite significant here tothe point where he basically is just clinging
(03:51):
to this body won't move, andso they have to sort of hook arms
and get it out of the wayand get themselves out of the way.
Because here comes Aragon and his orAragogue and his descendants, and the spiders
and the giants, and this isjust pure chaos. At this point,
I just am imagining Hogwarts is essentiallydecimated as a building, much more so
(04:16):
than it looks like in the movie. We go through a lot that sort
of happens here, and a bigpoint here that we miss in the movie
is that, you know, Hermioneactually gets very emotional and you know,
curses a death eater, and bydeath eater we mean she curses Finnier Gray
back off of Lavender Brown because he, you know, there's another death that
(04:42):
we see here is Lavender Brown.And Flannie is chucking those crystal orbs the
seeing Oh my god, what arethey called crystal balls? Yeah, yeah,
the crystal balls. She's chucking thosearound and they're doing mass damage too,
which is so smart. Um.But yeah, there's just a lot
(05:03):
going on and they are just tryingto get to the shrieking shack. Yeah,
and this is because you know Harry, you know, Hermione tells Harry
to look into his mind to seewhere Voldemort is because they realize he's not
a part of the battle. AndHarry does it's it's very easy for him
(05:24):
to do. And he's he's ableto see um that Voldemort is. You
know, in the Shrieking Shack,he's discussing things with Lucius, who's you
know, talking about well, maybeyou know, shouldn't shouldn't you be out
there and fighting and going to lookfor Potter? And and one of the
refrains we keep hearing from Voldemore overand over again is that no Harry will
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come to me like that, thatHarry, and there is no need for
me to go look for Harry,because Harry is going to come to me.
And we interpret at the beginning ofthis chapter it to mean because he
thinks he's looking for Nnghini, right, Like he thinks he's he's going to
come to him because of the snake, like for the better part of this
(06:08):
chapter, that's the assumption, right, because at this point, you know,
he realizes that Harry is hunting warcruxes, and um, he knows
um that and he still can't tellthat like that Harry has found the diadem
(06:29):
um. You know, he thinksit's safe because nobody has no way exactly
right, So um it is it'sreally interesting to see this and um,
I think one of the things thatI was really fascinated by was again all
the marts whole demeanor in this chapteris him believing that he still is going
(06:56):
to win because he understands Harry ina way that nobody else does. And
I think, you know, it'sjust really fascinating to be able to see
that in some ways he kind ofdoes understand Harry, and yet he doesn't
understand just how dangerous Harry is tohim, and because he doesn't really know
exactly how far this has gone withthe wark Rox system. So yeah,
(07:21):
I thought that was really interesting.And he makes Lucius go get Snape because
he has a job for Snape.And so we have the trio trying to
get to the shrieking shack them Imean and running into things. I mean,
they see Hagrid taken away by spiders. You know, Harry's thinking Hagrid's
(07:44):
probably dead. You know. LavenderBrown has died with the attack from friend
Rear, and we get Hermione attackingher him. We see McGonagall just enraged
and in battle, like she's createddesks you know, that have risen up
to fight death eaters, and likeher hair's all Undone, and she's like,
(08:05):
this is so much more interesting thananything we get in the movie at
this point, and them making itto the Shrieking Shack is really interesting too,
because you know, we have thewhole part from the movie that we
never got in Book two, whichis or book three, which is the
fact that you know you have tohit the little spot on the being Willow
(08:28):
to get there. And I loveher Vron being like, we don't have
Crookshanks, how do we get there? In her mind's like are you a
wizard? And like he uses ingGuardian Levigosa, which is so fantastic.
You know, it's a callback tothe original book. And so I mean,
like, there's so much stuff that'shappening here that's so great. And
(08:48):
then they get to the Shrieking Shackand they watch this confrontation with Snape and
Voldemart, which is really fascinating becauseis Voldemort is not happy with the Elder
One. Yeah, I think there'sa bunch there's a bunch of stuff going
on here too. So what's interestingI think before we even get to the
(09:11):
Shrieking Shack, is you mentioned acouple of callbacks. I think I love
that Hermione is the one that essentiallygives like Lavender Brown some dignity, right,
because she's already gone based on howit's written. But she didn't want
her to be eaten, right,because that's just disrespectful. So I think
it speaks to the character when youtalk about the two opposing sides here,
(09:35):
right, it really speaks to thecharacter of all of Dumbledore's army, and
all the people on the good sidewill say, you know, like they
put aside their differences, petty,you know, their rivalries. This is
Ron's ex girlfriend. Hermione obviously couldhave had feelings about that, but it
didn't matter, right, Like shehad knew what was right, which was
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to make sure that Lavender Brown wondown with some dignity. And it's just
such a small little note, butshe could have had any of them do
the spell off or you know,blast Fenny right away, and she chose
Hermione, And I think there's intentionalitybehind that choice. Same with when they
are, you know, heading out, they see that they see Draco is
(10:20):
about to be accosted by a deaththeater who he's like trying to convince he's
on that side, and Ron saveshim this time, and it's like,
that's the second time we saved you. You know, there's like and then
Harry trying to save Hagrid. Imean, like all of the decisions and
the way they went. I feellike we're very intentional with who was involved
in what way, and the factthat when Hermione does her own part,
(10:43):
it's in kind of unison with Trelawney, who is also one of her least
favorite, least respected professors. SoI think there's just a lot to unpack
there. It speaks a lot toall of the characters and who they are
and what they stand for through outand so you know, they get they
get to the tree and again withpurpose, Ron is the one who has
(11:07):
to kind of cast that spell,and it is hilarious that Hermione kind of
calls him out and then they kindof go sliding, and I think it's
really interesting as they as they goand they start to get to the end,
you know, Hermione has to remindthem to put the cloak back on,
and then they kind of just quietlysit and watch what unfolds for the
rest of the chapter, which isvery I mean, it's similar in dialogue
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or in at least in like whatthe end result is from the movie.
But the movie took place in likea boat house, which I never took
place in the lake house where theboat house boat sad thing which I never
really understood and didn't make sense tome in the movie. And the Shrieking
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Shack makes a lot more sense tome because we've also seen Baltimore there before,
um a couple of books ago whenhe kills them the Frank or whatever
his name was, the muggle whokind of like watched over the shrinking shack
or whatever, like the groundskeeper.So you know this, it makes more
(12:09):
sense, right, It has moremeaning, more purpose. The Shrieking Shack
becomes somewhat of an important fixture inthe series now, which we miss in
the movie. So plus they cansneak into it a lot easier, like
they know how to do that.So and one thing I wanted to mention
too, just as you brought upall the things that are happening with all
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of the characters, one of thethings that we see is, you know,
the Dementors come and you know,we get you know, Luna and
Dean and these other members of theda that are helping them fight them off
because the trio is having a reallytough time doing anything right now with what's
going on. And in fact,she makes a point of saying, you
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know, Harry helping them, it'sthe hardest thing that he's ever had to
do when it comes to conjuring thispertronus because he just doesn't have it in
him. And you know, Ijust love um Luna just being like,
you know, we're alive and we'refighting and like we're together, you know,
like it still exactly, and soit's a really beautiful moment with you
(13:16):
know, that that group, andagain it kind of hearkens back, of
course to the beauty of you know, Book five and them all coming together
to fight together, and it's it'sjust good. It's good stuff. So
um, but I mean, youknow, the biggest part of this is
is getting to what happens between Voldemortand Snape and Voldemort saying that you know,
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look, I'm not happy with thiswand. And I think the reason
is is because um, I'm nottruly the master of the wand and the
only way to truly become the masterof this wand is to kill you.
And you know, the whole timewe get Snape talking about how you know,
(14:01):
oh, you know, he wantsto go find the boy, he
wants to help you know, andeverything and you know it which is really,
you know, an interesting thing forfor him to be saying, you
know, he's trying to h findhis way through. And um, I
think it's it's one of those thingsthat is it's going to play into everything
(14:30):
that is going it's about to happen. You know. The next chapter is
going to explain so much of youknow, who Snape is and what he's
been about. Um. And there'sthere's a beauty in this moment because you
know, as Snape is dying andfor unexplicable reasons, Harry has no idea
(14:54):
why, you know, he goesto Snape, and as Snape is dying,
he is letting out what we knowbecause of other books of memory,
and he gives it to Harry andsays, you know, take it,
and you know his last words oryou know, look at me, and
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of course it's the green eyes ofof Lily looking back at him, you
know, and that is where youknow, we leave the end of the
chapter and it's a it's a reallylike again, there's so much happening in
the chapter action wise with this big, massive battle happening, but we come
down to this really key important momentfor the series, and the I mean
(15:43):
legitimately the next chapter explains all youknow, it is going to completely change
our understanding of this character in away that I, you know, honestly
I didn't see coming back in theday. Yeah, I think so,
yeah, I think there's so muchto do that And I think the interesting
(16:04):
part about how she writes this thatI don't know how you could have done
it in a movie, even ifyou could, Which is one of those
reasons why I love books so muchmore than I love film. Is the
whole time this is happening, right, we're seeing the dialogue, we're seeing
Baltimore talk to Snape, but whatHarry's experiencing is also the like the rage.
(16:30):
He's keeping an even keel, he'ssaying the right things, he's being
almost very politically correct with Snape.But Harry is experiencing this growing rage against
the conversation right right before he sixNandini on Snape. And that's such an
interesting element to hear because how oftendo we hear someone say something very even
(16:52):
keel and underneath you're going, oh, they must be so angry or so
sad or so whatever, and soHarry because of the connection that I feel
like we'll get to. But Ifeel like the connection is almost deepening with
Baltimore throughout all this, Like he'sgetting to feel an experience with Baltimore.
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It's not saying right, which issuch an interesting approach to this conversation,
and that Harry's like, oh,this is not good. This is not
good. This is not going togo well, right, And he even
at one point asks himself if Snape, if Snape knows right, is Snape
aware of what's happening here? Likecan he read between the lines? And
(17:37):
you kind of get the impression he'sa little caught off guard when he gets
killed. I mean, obviously heshowed up, and why would you show
up if you knew you were gonnabe killed? But yeah, it's you
know, it's terrifying and it's andit's you know, clearly cruel because they
don't even really finish killing him.They just kind of like let him bleed
out, which is a terrible wayto go than there. And he's killed
(18:00):
by you know, being attacked byne Guini too, like right, it's
not. We've seen Valdemort kill peoplewith avocadava like we've we've seen them kill
in much less cruel ways, andthis is almost intentionally like mean, yeah,
no, I heartily agree with you. I think it is something to
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which um we you know, notthat we I think needed this lesson,
but we do show Voldemort's character here, you know. Yeah, there's no
doubtentionally cruel as a person. Yeah, there's just no doubt there is no
humanity left in this man creature person. Yeah, no, I think that's
a good way to put creature.Um. So yeah, it's it's it's
(18:48):
really interesting, Um how that howthat is playing out, and how this
whole scene goes in it. Itfeels so much more like evil than it
does in the movie, because inthe movie it's pretty bad, but it's
so much worse. And then,you know, knowing what we know and
what we'll come to know, Idon't I don't think I'm going to ruin
anything by saying that, So correctme if I'm wrong here. But the
(19:08):
fact that you mentioned he really wantedto look into Harry's eyes, I think
that was his one last piece,right, Like that was his sort of
parting gift if you will, likethat is the last thing he wanted to
see before he left was Lily's eyes, and so you know, that's pretty
impactful. It's gonna be really interestinggetting to the next chapter because there is
(19:33):
so much that we are about tolearn and I can't wait to get there.
You know, this is this isit. You know, we're we're
coming to the end now and everythingis about to be revealed, and so
I just I am so excited toget to this point and so um Drea.
You know, if anybody wants tocatch up with you and talk to
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you about what we've got coming upnext, or just the Harry Potter series
in general, maybe just see whatyou've got going on. Where can they
find you? Sure, you canfind me on Twitter at pcf check or
on Instagram at Dreya Kaufman and it'scl f m an and I've forgot how
to spell my name. And youcan find me here on the network doing
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Join the Revolution, Join the NerdParty.
Welcome to the Nude Paul team.Ah Miles Head. Your outpost for the
(00:24):
week is freshly delivered, and Iam just one of the host here Matthew
rushing and with me as she isevery single week, the one, the
only Drea Kaufman. Hello, Hey, how are you? I am here
and don't sound funky this week?So that's a good sign. Hi really
(00:46):
listened to something else I recorded forwork that week and yikes, man,
I feel bad for everyone. Sothanks for sticking with us through that.
Well, it happens, you know, but we wanted to make sure that
everybody got an episode. So butno, I'm excited to be here,
you know. And of course talkabout this chapter, Chapter thirty two,
(01:11):
the Elder one. And before weget to the chapter, of course,
remember you can find us wherever youget your podcasts. To make sure your
subscribe so you're getting the show assoon as it drops, and you can
find us on Twitter at Joint nerdParty or on Facebook at Facebook dot com,
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send us an email if you'd like, at the nerdparty dot com slash contact.
We've gotten a few emails recently,Dre of just people telling us that
they're really enjoying the show. Ialways love getting those, you know,
It's it's so much fun to knowthat people are listening. And we really
just appreciate you dropping us a lineand letting us know how much you love
(01:57):
the show. So really appreciate that. And um, yeah, it's exciting
where I can't believe, you know, we we don't really have too much
left here and um yeah it's goingIt's it's crazy. So um but Dream,
this chapter is a lot of action. I mean there's just a lot
(02:19):
going on and um so one ofthe way we start the chapter is the
repercussions of Fred's death and not havinga lot of time to really deal with
that and so um and and themhaving to try and find a place where
they can store Fred's body so hopefullythey can come back to later, because
(02:43):
I mean this chapter is utter chaosas to what's happening. Yeah. I
actually there's a few instances in thisone where I had to like read it
and then read it, like readit and read a few paragraphs are page
down, and then go back anddo it again so I can make sure
I really understood everything that was happening, because there is like a lot,
like you've said, there's a lotjust happening action wise here. Yeah,
(03:06):
I think they don't really let up, you know, you're kind of left
with this cliffhanger, and then theydon't really pick up from the cliffhanger,
just keeps going. But it was, you know, it was really touching.
So we talk about you know,Fred's body and trying to move it
to a place where it can befound. This whole rest of the book
differs a lot from the movie becausein the movie, he kind of what
(03:28):
happens at the end of this chaptersort of happens right after Fred dies.
In the movie, like the seriesof events just don't quite stack up the
same. And just how devastated andhow much of an impact it's made on
Percy is quite quite significant here tothe point where he basically is just clinging
(03:51):
to this body won't move, andso they have to sort of hook arms
and get it out of the wayand get themselves out of the way.
Because here comes Aragon and his orAragogue and his descendants, and the spiders
and the giants, and this isjust pure chaos. At this point,
I just am imagining Hogwarts is essentiallydecimated as a building, much more so
(04:16):
than it looks like in the movie. We go through a lot that sort
of happens here, and a bigpoint here that we miss in the movie
is that, you know, Hermioneactually gets very emotional and you know,
curses a death eater, and bydeath eater we mean she curses Finnier Gray
back off of Lavender Brown because he, you know, there's another death that
(04:42):
we see here is Lavender Brown.And Flannie is chucking those crystal orbs the
seeing Oh my god, what arethey called crystal balls? Yeah, yeah,
the crystal balls. She's chucking thosearound and they're doing mass damage too,
which is so smart. Um.But yeah, there's just a lot
(05:03):
going on and they are just tryingto get to the shrieking shack. Yeah,
and this is because you know Harry, you know, Hermione tells Harry
to look into his mind to seewhere Voldemort is because they realize he's not
a part of the battle. AndHarry does it's it's very easy for him
(05:24):
to do. And he's he's ableto see um that Voldemort is. You
know, in the Shrieking Shack,he's discussing things with Lucius, who's you
know, talking about well, maybeyou know, shouldn't shouldn't you be out
there and fighting and going to lookfor Potter? And and one of the
refrains we keep hearing from Voldemore overand over again is that no Harry will
(05:48):
come to me like that, thatHarry, and there is no need for
me to go look for Harry,because Harry is going to come to me.
And we interpret at the beginning ofthis chapter it to mean because he
thinks he's looking for Nnghini, right, Like he thinks he's he's going to
come to him because of the snake, like for the better part of this
(06:08):
chapter, that's the assumption, right, because at this point, you know,
he realizes that Harry is hunting warcruxes, and um, he knows
um that and he still can't tellthat like that Harry has found the diadem
(06:29):
um. You know, he thinksit's safe because nobody has no way exactly
right, So um it is it'sreally interesting to see this and um,
I think one of the things thatI was really fascinated by was again all
the marts whole demeanor in this chapteris him believing that he still is going
(06:56):
to win because he understands Harry ina way that nobody else does. And
I think, you know, it'sjust really fascinating to be able to see
that in some ways he kind ofdoes understand Harry, and yet he doesn't
understand just how dangerous Harry is tohim, and because he doesn't really know
exactly how far this has gone withthe wark Rox system. So yeah,
(07:21):
I thought that was really interesting.And he makes Lucius go get Snape because
he has a job for Snape.And so we have the trio trying to
get to the shrieking shack them Imean and running into things. I mean,
they see Hagrid taken away by spiders. You know, Harry's thinking Hagrid's
(07:44):
probably dead. You know. LavenderBrown has died with the attack from friend
Rear, and we get Hermione attackingher him. We see McGonagall just enraged
and in battle, like she's createddesks you know, that have risen up
to fight death eaters, and likeher hair's all Undone, and she's like,
(08:05):
this is so much more interesting thananything we get in the movie at
this point, and them making itto the Shrieking Shack is really interesting too,
because you know, we have thewhole part from the movie that we
never got in Book two, whichis or book three, which is the
fact that you know you have tohit the little spot on the being Willow
(08:28):
to get there. And I loveher Vron being like, we don't have
Crookshanks, how do we get there? In her mind's like are you a
wizard? And like he uses ingGuardian Levigosa, which is so fantastic.
You know, it's a callback tothe original book. And so I mean,
like, there's so much stuff that'shappening here that's so great. And
(08:48):
then they get to the Shrieking Shackand they watch this confrontation with Snape and
Voldemart, which is really fascinating becauseis Voldemort is not happy with the Elder
One. Yeah, I think there'sa bunch there's a bunch of stuff going
on here too. So what's interestingI think before we even get to the
(09:11):
Shrieking Shack, is you mentioned acouple of callbacks. I think I love
that Hermione is the one that essentiallygives like Lavender Brown some dignity, right,
because she's already gone based on howit's written. But she didn't want
her to be eaten, right,because that's just disrespectful. So I think
it speaks to the character when youtalk about the two opposing sides here,
(09:35):
right, it really speaks to thecharacter of all of Dumbledore's army, and
all the people on the good sidewill say, you know, like they
put aside their differences, petty,you know, their rivalries. This is
Ron's ex girlfriend. Hermione obviously couldhave had feelings about that, but it
didn't matter, right, Like shehad knew what was right, which was
(09:56):
to make sure that Lavender Brown wondown with some dignity. And it's just
such a small little note, butshe could have had any of them do
the spell off or you know,blast Fenny right away, and she chose
Hermione, And I think there's intentionalitybehind that choice. Same with when they
are, you know, heading out, they see that they see Draco is
(10:20):
about to be accosted by a deaththeater who he's like trying to convince he's
on that side, and Ron saveshim this time, and it's like,
that's the second time we saved you. You know, there's like and then
Harry trying to save Hagrid. Imean, like all of the decisions and
the way they went. I feellike we're very intentional with who was involved
in what way, and the factthat when Hermione does her own part,
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it's in kind of unison with Trelawney, who is also one of her least
favorite, least respected professors. SoI think there's just a lot to unpack
there. It speaks a lot toall of the characters and who they are
and what they stand for through outand so you know, they get they
get to the tree and again withpurpose, Ron is the one who has
(11:07):
to kind of cast that spell,and it is hilarious that Hermione kind of
calls him out and then they kindof go sliding, and I think it's
really interesting as they as they goand they start to get to the end,
you know, Hermione has to remindthem to put the cloak back on,
and then they kind of just quietlysit and watch what unfolds for the
rest of the chapter, which isvery I mean, it's similar in dialogue
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or in at least in like whatthe end result is from the movie.
But the movie took place in likea boat house, which I never took
place in the lake house where theboat house boat sad thing which I never
really understood and didn't make sense tome in the movie. And the Shrieking
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Shack makes a lot more sense tome because we've also seen Baltimore there before,
um a couple of books ago whenhe kills them the Frank or whatever
his name was, the muggle whokind of like watched over the shrinking shack
or whatever, like the groundskeeper.So you know this, it makes more
(12:09):
sense, right, It has moremeaning, more purpose. The Shrieking Shack
becomes somewhat of an important fixture inthe series now, which we miss in
the movie. So plus they cansneak into it a lot easier, like
they know how to do that.So and one thing I wanted to mention
too, just as you brought upall the things that are happening with all
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of the characters, one of thethings that we see is, you know,
the Dementors come and you know,we get you know, Luna and
Dean and these other members of theda that are helping them fight them off
because the trio is having a reallytough time doing anything right now with what's
going on. And in fact,she makes a point of saying, you
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know, Harry helping them, it'sthe hardest thing that he's ever had to
do when it comes to conjuring thispertronus because he just doesn't have it in
him. And you know, Ijust love um Luna just being like,
you know, we're alive and we'refighting and like we're together, you know,
like it still exactly, and soit's a really beautiful moment with you
(13:16):
know, that that group, andagain it kind of hearkens back, of
course to the beauty of you know, Book five and them all coming together
to fight together, and it's it'sjust good. It's good stuff. So
um, but I mean, youknow, the biggest part of this is
is getting to what happens between Voldemortand Snape and Voldemort saying that you know,
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look, I'm not happy with thiswand. And I think the reason
is is because um, I'm nottruly the master of the wand and the
only way to truly become the masterof this wand is to kill you.
And you know, the whole timewe get Snape talking about how you know,
(14:01):
oh, you know, he wantsto go find the boy, he
wants to help you know, andeverything and you know it which is really,
you know, an interesting thing forfor him to be saying, you
know, he's trying to h findhis way through. And um, I
think it's it's one of those thingsthat is it's going to play into everything
(14:30):
that is going it's about to happen. You know. The next chapter is
going to explain so much of youknow, who Snape is and what he's
been about. Um. And there'sthere's a beauty in this moment because you
know, as Snape is dying andfor unexplicable reasons, Harry has no idea
(14:54):
why, you know, he goesto Snape, and as Snape is dying,
he is letting out what we knowbecause of other books of memory,
and he gives it to Harry andsays, you know, take it,
and you know his last words oryou know, look at me, and
(15:15):
of course it's the green eyes ofof Lily looking back at him, you
know, and that is where youknow, we leave the end of the
chapter and it's a it's a reallylike again, there's so much happening in
the chapter action wise with this big, massive battle happening, but we come
down to this really key important momentfor the series, and the I mean
(15:43):
legitimately the next chapter explains all youknow, it is going to completely change
our understanding of this character in away that I, you know, honestly
I didn't see coming back in theday. Yeah, I think so,
yeah, I think there's so muchto do that And I think the interesting
(16:04):
part about how she writes this thatI don't know how you could have done
it in a movie, even ifyou could, Which is one of those
reasons why I love books so muchmore than I love film. Is the
whole time this is happening, right, we're seeing the dialogue, we're seeing
Baltimore talk to Snape, but whatHarry's experiencing is also the like the rage.
(16:30):
He's keeping an even keel, he'ssaying the right things, he's being
almost very politically correct with Snape.But Harry is experiencing this growing rage against
the conversation right right before he sixNandini on Snape. And that's such an
interesting element to hear because how oftendo we hear someone say something very even
(16:52):
keel and underneath you're going, oh, they must be so angry or so
sad or so whatever, and soHarry because of the connection that I feel
like we'll get to. But Ifeel like the connection is almost deepening with
Baltimore throughout all this, Like he'sgetting to feel an experience with Baltimore.
(17:15):
It's not saying right, which issuch an interesting approach to this conversation,
and that Harry's like, oh,this is not good. This is not
good. This is not going togo well, right, And he even
at one point asks himself if Snape, if Snape knows right, is Snape
aware of what's happening here? Likecan he read between the lines? And
(17:37):
you kind of get the impression he'sa little caught off guard when he gets
killed. I mean, obviously heshowed up, and why would you show
up if you knew you were gonnabe killed? But yeah, it's you
know, it's terrifying and it's andit's you know, clearly cruel because they
don't even really finish killing him.They just kind of like let him bleed
out, which is a terrible wayto go than there. And he's killed
(18:00):
by you know, being attacked byne Guini too, like right, it's
not. We've seen Valdemort kill peoplewith avocadava like we've we've seen them kill
in much less cruel ways, andthis is almost intentionally like mean, yeah,
no, I heartily agree with you. I think it is something to
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which um we you know, notthat we I think needed this lesson,
but we do show Voldemort's character here, you know. Yeah, there's no
doubtentionally cruel as a person. Yeah, there's just no doubt there is no
humanity left in this man creature person. Yeah, no, I think that's
a good way to put creature.Um. So yeah, it's it's it's
(18:48):
really interesting, Um how that howthat is playing out, and how this
whole scene goes in it. Itfeels so much more like evil than it
does in the movie, because inthe movie it's pretty bad, but it's
so much worse. And then,you know, knowing what we know and
what we'll come to know, Idon't I don't think I'm going to ruin
anything by saying that, So correctme if I'm wrong here. But the
(19:08):
fact that you mentioned he really wantedto look into Harry's eyes, I think
that was his one last piece,right, Like that was his sort of
parting gift if you will, likethat is the last thing he wanted to
see before he left was Lily's eyes, and so you know, that's pretty
impactful. It's gonna be really interestinggetting to the next chapter because there is
(19:33):
so much that we are about tolearn and I can't wait to get there.
You know, this is this isit. You know, we're we're
coming to the end now and everythingis about to be revealed, and so
I just I am so excited toget to this point and so um Drea.
You know, if anybody wants tocatch up with you and talk to
(19:55):
you about what we've got coming upnext, or just the Harry Potter series
in general, maybe just see whatyou've got going on. Where can they
find you? Sure, you canfind me on Twitter at pcf check or
on Instagram at Dreya Kaufman and it'scl f m an and I've forgot how
to spell my name. And youcan find me here on the network doing
(20:18):
Cress negotiations with John Mills as we'retalking about Star Wars each and every week.
And of course you can find meover on the TFM network doing so
many shows. I'm doing the sixor two Club, which is our general
geek show, talking about all ofthe fantoms we love, of course talking
about the works of Zack Snyder overon Snyder Cuts there in the six or
two club feed, and then alsodoing the ORB and Literary Treks, the
(20:42):
ORBS about Star Trek, t Sphasenine and Literary tres Is about the books
and the comics of Star Trek.And you can find me all over social
media with different things. Just lookfor the name Matt Rushing zero two.
So, but thank you so muchfor checking your owl post. Mischief managed.
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