April 8, 2021 • 51 mins
The Flaw in the Plan.
Harry awakes in the forrest and the end is nigh, the final battle for the Wizarding World is about to begin.
In this episode of Owl Post: A Harry Potter Podcast hosts Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing talk about the thirty-sixth chapter of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. We discuss waking up, calling out the centaurs, Neville steps up, chaos, pulling together, Molly Weasley, the final showdown, needing peace and quit, thunderous applause, the Deathly Hallows and ending thoughts.
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Harry awakes in the forrest and the end is nigh, the final battle for the Wizarding World is about to begin.
In this episode of Owl Post: A Harry Potter Podcast hosts Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing talk about the thirty-sixth chapter of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. We discuss waking up, calling out the centaurs, Neville steps up, chaos, pulling together, Molly Weasley, the final showdown, needing peace and quit, thunderous applause, the Deathly Hallows and ending thoughts.
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Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing
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Welcome to the Nerd Paul Tea AhMiles head. Your outpost for the week
is freshly delivered. And I amjust one of the hosts here Matthew Rushing
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and with me as she has beenthroughout this entire journey, the one,
the only Drea Kaufman. We onlyhave like two more episodes, Lab,
I know, it's insane, it'sinsane, Like, I'm so glad we're
here. Though. We have reachedchapter thirty six, the flaw in the
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plan, and we have a lotto talk about, so we're gonna kind
of get right to it. Wedo want to say, of course,
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you'd like. And um, yeah, I mean those are all the places
you could find us. So,Dreya, you know, this chapter starts
really interestingly. Again, We're justgonna get right to it because we do.
There's a lot in this chapter whereyou know, everything obviously finally comes
together and Harry wakes up. Andwhat I find most interesting and I feel
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like I can't remember if they didthis in the movie, but you know,
he's literally getting to his feet againVoldemort because he's been knocked on his
butt apparently. And it's interesting becausea lot of this comes from Harry's point
of view, as most of thechapters do in the series, where there's
a lot of this that Harry doesn'tknow exactly what action happens because he's as
(01:57):
his eyes closed here at the beginning, because he's pretending to be dead.
He's supposed to be Dad. Yeah, weird, And so Vollemort's getting to
his feet, he's trying to shootaway his followers, and then he tells
somebody to come check and see ifHarry is actually dead. And very interestingly,
(02:25):
we have Narcissa come to see ifHarry's awake, and she doesn't really
care about whether he's dead or alive. She just asks is Draco alive?
Yeah, this part is pretty trueto the movie, but I think because
within the Bucks, we get somuch more appreciation for Draco and for this
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Malfoy family and kind of understand moreabout them and their motivation. The moment
here is that much more beautiful withNarcissa, right, and the fact that
Harry answers it without even really comprehending, the fact that he first says yes
and then says, oh, Iguess she doesn't care about Baltimore and his
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crusade anymore. She just cares abouther son. The fact that he answers
her honestly first and then has thatthought to me is just significant, right.
Yeah, And the fact that youknow, she sort of announces him,
and you know, they don't dothis part in the movie, which
is a shame, but they sortof play with his quote unquote dead body
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in the victorious manner. You know, I have to imagine that would be
really challenging and keep yourself limp whenyou're not limp, right, when you're
not dead yet to play dead andand like worry about holding onto your invisibility
cloak and your wand and like everythingelse that you want to make sure you
keep, but you can't really holdon to it, right. It's such
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a difficult place to be. Butyeah, I I don't recall either whether
or not Valdemore is like sort oftaken aback in the movie, I want
to say, no, or atleast not to the extent in the book.
In the book, we don't knowwhat happened, but Harry kind of
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speculates that maybe he also lost consciousnessand kind of passed out for a little
while during this whole thing that happenedin his head, which we also don't
know if it's been ten seconds orten minutes, right right, So you
know, we get this impression thatValdemore was somehow impacted by what happened with
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Harry. And you know, Ido think that the fear among the death
eaters was pretty significant too. Thatwas something that really resonated with me reading
it. Is like everyone was afraidof Baltimore. Everyone was afraid of Harry.
Nobody knew what was going on,everyone was fearful of what was going
on, um until they kind ofmaybe felt like it was a success and
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our sister told him that Harry wasdead and now they're going to celebrate.
Yeah, and no, you're absolutelyright, because like you said, you
know, they they they start cursinghis body, and you know, with
the Cruciati's curse, and like,you know, Harry's flopping around like a
rag doll, or at least tryingto so they don't know he's awake.
And then they forced Hagrid to pickhim up, and we get the feeling
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like Hagrid's being coerced magically to toto walk towards the castle where he's going
to of course present Harry's dead bodiedeverybody and say suck it, guys,
I won um And that's yea,it is basically what he says. Yeah,
that was that's the Matthew paraphrase.Um. But I really appreciate too
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that We also, you know,we've we've had this huge battle that's been
happening at Hogwarts, right, We'vehad you know, every type of creature
being in this battle. And weget Haggard as he's walking through the forest
and he's calling out the Centaurs forbeing cowards and not fighting and how awful
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they are and how basically they shouldall just go and die, you know,
like he's so upset, and thatis actually what makes this so fascinating
is it really plays a huge partinto what that's about to happen, because
you know, we get Voldemort proclaiminghis victory, that Harry is dead,
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that he ran away and tried toget away, and I killed him the
battle as one the boy who livedis dead, and so come and join
me on my side and we couldbuild something together. Like he gets real
diplomatic here, as at the sametime he's also bragging that you know,
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he's won. So I want togo back to the centaurs. I think
that's such an interesting element to herstory. And I think she's us.
She's used them back from the firsttime we met Pruens to now as kind
of a way. I mean,they were warned of Baltimore and his coming
and tried to solicit them onto thequote unquote good side, right, and
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they basically wanted to be this neutralparty that didn't have a stake in the
game. Right, They've been treatedbadly. It doesn't matter if it's a
good or a bad wizard. Theyhave their own prejudice. And here is
really the consequences of that. Right, they are taunted and kind of thrown
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curses at by these stat theaters thatare coming through them. You know,
they are paying the price for beingabstaining from being a part of this even
though they shouldn't have it, AndI think that's such a strong argument for
those of us who stay quiet whenthings are when bad things are happening around
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us, Like, you can tryto stay quiet, but in the long
rue, you're still going to paysome sort of price for your silence.
And I think that's sort of themessage she's sending here with the Centaurs is
like, you try to stay outof this and it didn't work out in
your favor, like you should have. You really need to pick a side,
right, like you needed to takea stance. Yeah, well,
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I think I mean that is areally great point. There is a time
in which you know you can't beneutral, you know, you you have
to pick a side. You know, there's there's such a thing as evil
that must be confronted, and youknow, Rowling's books are all about that
here, you know of the factthat there is evil that cannot be tolerated.
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And no, I absolutely agree.I think that's a great point to
pull out. In fact, youknow that actually Rowling's newest book, her
other children's book that has just recentlycome out, is that is also kind
of one of the big points inthat as well. So something that she
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continues to see is important. SoI this moment gets me every time,
when you know, we hear thisterrible scream and it comes from Professor mcgonaghal
and Harry's like he didn't even knowshe could make that sound. And then
of course Ron and Hermione and Ginnyand others join in, and it's even
(09:33):
worse for Harry then, and hecan't do anything yet, like the moment
has it come for him to beable to reveal himself or find a way
to get away yet And and throughoutall of this too, he's been watching
kind of through his half, youknow, his mostly closed eyes. But
Voldemort has been walking close to wherehe is with Hagrid, and he can
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see that Nagini she's out of theshell now that she's been in the protective
of shell that he's had her in, and he's just she's just kind of
wrapped around his neck. And whoshould step forward but the one and only
novel long Bottom to take on Voldemort. Yeah, it's I think there's so
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much here. I mean, Ilove that it's so interesting because the part
that got me all worked up wasnot even McGonagall scream, but Valdemort's flat
up blatant lie about Harry. Right, Oh, he was running from the
castle to save himself, Like,no, he was it. There was
no x, there was no waythat his behavior was interpreted that way.
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So the sheer manipulative nature by whichhe kind of approaches this like it just
named my blood boil. Right.The thing I did appreciate is that it
doesn't seem like anybody in Dumbledore's armyor on that side bought it. Right.
They know Harry well and to knowthat that is not at all what
would have happened, which makes sortof the grief and pain that we're experiencing
(11:05):
through them all the more richer,right, because they know they're being lied
to. They know they assume he'sdead because he looks dead and they're being
told he's dead. But yeah,I think honestly, this is where Neville
gets the shaft in the movies,because he stands up to Baltimore so much
more boldly than they give him theopportunity in the movie. I mean,
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they at least give him the sceneand he gets to do the big act
of cutting the snake's head off,which we now know Harry told him to
do. But yeah, I meanhe is such an amazing character, and
this is such a complete arc forhim, from the little kid who you
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know, stood up to Harry andHermione and Ron at the middle of the
first book to now the character whostands up to them the scariest dude on
the block, right, I thinkit's amazing, and Neville is such an
amazing character. It's so much moreterrifying too, because Voldemort calls for the
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sorting hat and says that there willno longer be at Hogwarts any other houses
other than the House of Slytherin,and he takes the hat, magically forces
it onto Neville's head below his eyes, and then sets it a flame.
So it's terrifying what happens. Andthen, I mean, legitimately kind of
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all hell breaks loose because Garp comesjust running out of nowhere and you know,
sees Hagrid, and before they knowit, the death Eaters are under
attack by the Centaurs. And inthis attack, I mean, everything goes
crazy. And this is the momentwhere in all of the chaos, Neville
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is able to take out the snake. He's able to kill the last hour
Crux. And not only that,but this is also where Harry's able to
escape, he pulls up the cloakvery quickly, puts it on and runs
away and starts helping people by throwingup you know, shield charms all over
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the place to keep people safe.Winged creatures like the Thestrals and buckbeat come
and like things get insane, Likeyou've got house elves running out of the
castle being led by creature who's gotthe locket bouncing in his checks and he's
like, they fight for Regulus Black. You know, so none of this
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is in the movie, and it'sso much better than the crap that they
pull where it turns into this weirdaerial fight between Voldemort and Harry, when
all of this is so much moreimportant because what we're seeing here is that,
you know, a wizarding world thatwe have seen divided in many ways,
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right has all pulled together finally tofight this one thing. And I
think there's a real beauty in that. You know, you were saying earlier,
there's this point where you have tomake the choice to fight or or
just get out right, and theCentaurs finally here at the last moment,
they make their choice. They fightyou know, the householves, they make
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their choice to fight. You know, all of these magical creatures that you
know, Harry has treated so wellin his life, you know, that
have been a you know, we'vealways seen magical creatures kind of gravitate towards
him in a strange way. Youknow, all these kind of odd balls
and you know what weirdos as peoplemight call them, have all gravitated towards
this person who has treated them withkindness and respect, and everybody comes together,
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and I just it's so much moreimpactful to see that, because it
makes everything that Rowling has been writingabout so much more important, right like
the house elves and their liberation,you know, the things we've seen with
Hagrid and the care of magical creaturesand how important that is, you know,
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and the you know, the differentcharacters. I mean, later on
we'll talk a little bit about Luna, you know, and just her acceptance
by Harry, you know, andhow that plays out here and so um,
by the way, Charlie Weasley ishere too, because we were wondering
if he's here, but she sheknows that he is here. So I
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mean it's also great, um,and as they're kind of all battling and
moving into the Great Hall and thismassive battle is happening. Um. I
do love that she calls out verymuch like the movie, although even better
here is that Lucius and Narcissa they'rejust running through the crowd looking for their
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son. They're not trying to battleanyone, and so we see this kind
of turn with their family of thisis what really matters to them is being
alive. You know, they justwant to be on the winning side in
many ways, and their family beingalive, like there's been a change of
heart in some ways. And thenyou know, we got the best battle
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other than Harry and Voldemart coming upright here as well. I mean it's
literally the best, probably the bestline in the book. So yeah,
there's there is there's so much tounpack here. I mean, i'd love
I actually love the fact that inthe book every character sort of get or
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every like group or impact. Here, everyone sort of gets their moment right
in the movie, Harry jumps tolife very quickly comes to save the day.
In this case, everyone's sort oflike pre invigorated by his death and
the stakes have changed, right,They are now fighting for themselves, which
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they had previously relied on Harry andothers to fight for them. So I
like that they're he slips away underthe cloak and they're given the opportunity to
fight those battles themselves, right,Like Nevil's emboldened because he now knows Harry's
not there to fill in the gap. He you know, there's so much
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to that, and I think thatit's it's beautiful and it's inspiring and it
makes you want to get up andfight yourself before you have to wait for
your symbol to go away, right, And so I think having him kind
of quietly sappoy and Hagrid being reallythe only one who noticed feels right,
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especially knowing how much Hagrid loves Harry. Yeah, it's right, it's right
that that's how it's happening. SoI mean, well, I mean I
love it having the having the battlethat I love here, which is,
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you know, we get these characters. We've got Voldemort who's dueling with McGonagall
and slow corning m Kingsley all atthe same time, and then we had
Bellatrix who had been battling with Ginnyand Hermione and Luna all at the same
time, and Ginny almost dies,you know, there's a there's a killing
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curse that just flies right by herhead by inches. And that's when Molly
Weasley turns out to be a bada mother, you know what. And
this is this is again it's oneof the best moments of the entire book
because you know, Molly is acharacter to which I think everybody loves in
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the series, you know, buthere she really shines and shows herself to
be not just a capable cook anda wonderful mother, but she is a
warrior and she kicks her ass.She does. It's it's amazing, even
the way they just describe Belitrick's facefrom going from like amused to like,
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oh snap. I mean even Harry'slike, whoa all right, missus Weasley
right, like she just gets inthat and it's hell, hath no fury,
like a mother's a mother's love,like she is all over that and
she is just it's like a snapfor her, like what happened to Fred,
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and it was that she was nevergonna let that happen to another kid
again, and she's gonna take it, you know, on herself. And
what I actually love about this thatwe've missed from the movie and it's amazing
and I wish it had happened.Is that, you know, Molly is
victorious over Belitrick's and I love thebut it's a parallel to serious as death
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that it's her arrogance and there's thisflash and Harry knows exactly what's going to
happen, because I think a lotof us can relate to that. You're
watching something happen, You're like,I know what's going to happen next.
So Molly is victorious over Belotix,right, and that infuriates Baltimore and he
starts to turn his attention to Molly, and Harry under his cloak throws up
(20:25):
a charm and saves Molly, rightyeah, and then reveals themself to be
alive. Right. But at thesame time, he I felt like,
in my mind, the Weasleys havedone so much for Harry that he was
like, this is my opportunity topay them back. And they don't need
to know that that's what it is. But I will feel like I have
brought something to this family as apart of this family, and I'm protecting
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her as if she was my ownmother. I feel like it was just
like it wasn't the same as throwingup a shield for everybody, like there
was a very there's intentionality behind that, and it meant a lot to him,
Yeah, to be able to dothat, and that that was the
moment he was going to do thatand then reveal himself. Yes, right,
yeah, I agree. No,I mean he's now saved both of
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them, you know, which isreally fun. Whereas you know, he
could have never saved his own parentsbecause they died to save him. Now
he's died to save the wise.You know, he's died to save them.
And that's what Harry's about to say, you know, and I love
you know, he tells everybody,look, it's got to be me,
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so I don't want anybody else totry and help. And you know,
Voldemort's taunting him, of course,and he's like, no, there are
no more har Cruxes. It's justyou and me, and neither can live.
All the other survives, and oneof us it's about to leave for
good. And you know, youjust love sassy Harry, but he has
every reason to be. He issuper sassy here, and I love how
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he kind of uses some of Voldemort'stactics back on him in his own way,
right, specifically. I love thathe's like, hey, have you
noticed that none of your spells seemto be working super great? Which,
yeah, they're not working great,but he also kind of was helping them
not work great. Right, He'sthrown up shields, he's helping people out
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from under his cloak. But heknows the way to get through and kind
of break down his guard a littlebit is to get into his head.
Yeah, I mean, because hetalks about, you know, the fact
that it Voldemort is like, hey, this is an accident. These are
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all accidents. He's like, soit was an accident when my mother died
to save me. That was anaccident. It was an accident when I
decided to fight in the graveyard,you know, or that I didn't defend
myself tonight. And you know,Voldemort is enraged with this idea. He
and then like you said, herealized, He says, you know,
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you're not going to be killing anyoneever again. You haven't you realized that
none of your spells have had theimpact that you expected them to have on
people that I died for. AndVoldemort's like, well, but you didn't
die, And he's like, butI meant to and that's what matters.
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And basically Harry has done the exactsame thing that his mother did for him.
He was willing to die, andnow that magical protection is over all
of these people, and it's justsuch a beautiful thing. And you know
we've talked before, you know,just about you know, rawling and her
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ideas, you know, especially spiritually, and I think this is the clearest
presentation of what she believes, youknow, one dies for all and it's
just a beautiful thing. And Ireally love that in much the same way
as you know, basically, likeJesus facing off with the devil. He's
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like, no, you don't understand, and you've never understood, and it's
in in fact, if you don'tlisten and think real hard, it's going
to be the last mistake you'll evermake, you know. And Voldemort is
just in sense, He's like,what is it? Is it love?
Again? Is it love? AndHe's like, well, if it's not
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love, you think you've got aweapon more powerful than I do. And
Harry's like, I have both.Yeah, I think I think it's like
his own arrogance is taking him downright, Like he it's it's just the
powerful, it's powerful right. Ithink it's more wordy. It's definitely more
worthy than the movie. It's borderlinetoo wordy of a conversation for me,
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Like, I almost feel like,how is this actually playing out? Right?
Why? It's that it's almost like, what is what is it called?
The like the villain's monologue they alwaysgive right before they like lay out
their super evil plan. Right,it's almost the heroes monologue of the same
way, breaking down the villain's monologue. But yeah, I he does.
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He walks Us and Baltimore through kindof the key flaw in his plan,
and in doing so, he essentiallyclears Snape in front of all of these
people, right, which is alsoa very beautiful thing to do. Right.
He didn't have to clear his name, he didn't have to kind of
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clarify the fact that he his Snapewas also just motivated by love. Right,
He just acted differently than others.Did you know he was an anti
hero? If he will? Well? And I think but that you know
you mentioned this is this is kindof a wordy end, But I think
in the end it is kind ofthe point for her, which is this
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is not a battle of like magicalability and everything. This is a battle
of knowledge. This is a battleof wisdom, This is a battle of
the deepest magic, right and andreally that kind of I think harkens back
all the way to you know,Rallings has always said, you know,
she likes the Chronicles of Narnian,and that's what undoes the magic right in
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the Lion, the Witch and theWardrobe, which is she the the White
Witch forgot about the deeper magic thatwas written into the Laws of Narnia when
it was created. And here thisis this is the difference. Voldemort only
has a very cursory understanding of powerand magical power, because all he thinks
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of is power, so he's neverthought about anything beyond that. So,
of course, because he has knownstanding of love or anything else, he's
missing an entire side of magic thathe just completely discounts. And Harry doesn't,
and neither did Dumbledore. And that'swhat made you know they even have
it in this conversation. Dumbledore wasgreater than you, Voldemor, because no,
(27:18):
he dreamed of the magic that youdid, but he knew that it
wasn't right. He was cleverer you, He was a better wizard, and
he was a better man. Andthat's what it made him be able to
say no to that type of thingin the end, and you didn't.
And absolutely the same thing with SeverasSnape. Yes, Severus did things where
(27:40):
he pursued power, and yet hestill always had this love for Harry's mother
that kept him coming back and kepthim good. And I think, yeah,
and what do we learn here,Like Severas Snape was the greatest Aucklemans
of the age to be able tofool Voldemort for all of those years,
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and Voldemort literally never knew it untilthis second when he's like, you never
saw my mom's patronis, did you? And you never saw Snap's patronis.
It was always the same. Healways loved her. It wasn't just about
some carnal thing with him. No, he truly loved her. And that's
(28:26):
what you don't understand. And Ilove when he's like, I just I
think before you try to kill me, I think you need to think about
what you've done and maybe just tryfor a little remorse. And I love
that he even makes it worse whenhe's like, be a man, try
for some remorse. And I don'tI don't necessarily think this is a thing
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about where he's saying, like gender, be a man. I think what
he's saying is like be a humanbeing, be human. Yeah, he
is saying find the humanity, bea paying ye again Yeah, no,
I agree, I agree with that. That's definitely how I interpreted that too.
Yeah, And I think what Ithink what also really is highlighted here
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and what you've touched on, isthat there is a lack of fundamental not
even just knowing, like hearing something, but understanding it right, that Baltimore
lost. And I think we sawthat play out and book to do.
When you think about malfoy learning thingsversus Harry and Hermione learning things right,
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like, there's an embodying and ataking in of the knowledge and processing it
and saying, Okay, so what'sthe impact of this, What does this
mean? How does this connect?Right? There's a deeper level to all
of this that Baltimore is taking iton. What's the strongest and most powerful,
not necessarily what is grounded in thedeepest meaning. Right, And that's
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why I love, love, lovethat the final battle is one spell from
each of them, and that Harry'sis the ultimate simplistic first thing they learn
as wizards that is also like itis one of the most fundamental things they
learned that I think there's even acall out several books ago about how like
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why are we learning this? AndI think Lupin was the one to say,
like learning to protect yourself as themost important thing you can do,
and that that simple expelliamis is whatactually saves him when he gets crapped for
at the beginning of the book,when he uses that spell instead of an
(30:45):
aggressive one, right, but thatis the one that saves today. That's
the one that ends all of thiswell, and that is what it comes
down to in end, is thatthis misunderstanding of and not even it's not
(31:11):
just even misunderstanding, but for forVoldemort it's it's an it's no research into
what's actually happened, right, Likehe doesn't know all the details, right
he thinks he knows what happened,but it doesn't, so he's going off
bad facts. And what we learnis is that you know, Snape never
(31:32):
beat Dumbledore. Dumbledore had already beendisarmed by the time he got there.
In fact, Dumbledore's genius plan oneof the reasons that he was going to
have this packed. And this iswhere I think that question we kind of
talked about a little bit where um, whether or not we're talking about,
you know, youth in Asia orany of those kind of things. It's
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absolutely not because Dumbledore knows that himwillingly giving his life and willingly allowing Snape
to kill him would break the curseof this Wand, which is that it
needs to be taken in some kindof force, and that would was his
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goal. Was you set this upbeforehand, and then you allowed you know,
Snape to do this to Dumbledore andthe Wand doesn't have any more special
power to it. But instead Malfoyhad disarmed Snape. Malfoy had disarmed Dumbledore
and to become the Wand's master.So by the time Snape picks it up,
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he's never truly the master. AndVoldemort doesn't realize this, And of
course he also doesn't know that Harryhad disarmed Draco weeks ago and become the
Blackthorn Wand's master. And of coursenow we know the true master of the
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Elder One is Harry and always hasbeen. That's why the Wand hasn't really
been working for Voldemore in the firstplace, and that's why when that spell
happens, Voldemort spell rebounds and hitshimself and he dies, and Harry catches
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the wand with the the panache ofa of a seeker, and it's just
so what's so beautiful about it ishow much she has woven into this story
here, in this ending where everysingle book matters. Yeah, and on
top of all of that mattering,I love that ultimately he actually doesn't kill
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He is his own undoing. Hedoes it to himself, right. She's
very specific to call out that thecurse rebounded and in Voldemore ultimately killed himself.
And the fa that has been thetheme since we heard about the prophecy
and it became that Valdemort has createdthis path himself. It's been very self
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fulfilling. He is his own worstemmy. This is the ultimate antithesis of
that he is the worst enemy ofhimself because he ultimately kills himself. But
he is his own demise And Ireally love it. You know, this
whole moment where you know, everybodyjust kind of erupts into joy, you
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know, and everybody's excited, andyou know, people are all around him,
and in many ways, you know, it's just so much for Harry,
and I love that he finds away to kind of find himself on
a bench sitting next to Luna,and Luna just wonderfully. She's like,
I'd really want some peace and quietif it were me, and Harry's like,
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I would love some and she's like, I'll distract them all, use
your cloak, and it's just soadorable. And as he is making his
way to find Ron and Hermione,he sees the Moufoys just kind of huddled
over in this corner all by themselves, and they don't really seem to care
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about anybody, and nobody seems tocare about them, and it's just this
kind of little moment where you seethat there has been a big change in
this and I love too when they'regoing to go up the Dumbledore's office and
the gargoyle has been destroyed, andHarry's like, I'm not even really sure
if passwords work, but he's like, can we go in? And he's
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like, be my guest the gargoyle. Yeah. I love that Harry's true
introvert nature kicks in here and he'sjust like, I just want to be
alone in my bed and sleep andprocess and I want only my people.
Right, As an introvert, Ican totally relate to this moment of like,
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Okay, I'm doing what I haveto do. What all they want
is to be alone? And Ithink I think the beautiful moment here with
Luna that you highlighted is also hershowing how much she actually understands Harry,
because whether or not she would actuallywant that time alone, I don't know,
but she knows he would want thattime alone right right, and she's
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she's thinking of him and caring forhim. And you know, as much
as she probably wants to shake hishand and celebrate and learn more, she
knows that what he needs right nowis to just sneak away and do whatever
he needs to do before he cancompletely kind of decompress. And I love
that she gives it to him,and I love that she does it in
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a very lunar way by like tryingto get everyone to look at some random
thing on the other side of theroom. And yeah, and then they
go up to the you know,he tells Ron and Hermione all the story,
and as painful as it is andas much as they're kind of in
shocking one at you call it,they end up at the office, and
I always had an underlying read herewhen he asked the gargoyle if he can
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go up that the gargoyle is like, yeah, dude, whatever you want.
Yeah, right, Like there's thislike dude thrown in there in my
mind, this this gargoyle like ona tilt. He's like, yeah,
man, whatever, head on up. It's you, it's your castle now.
I don't care um, But yeah, I do find his reaction too,
that when he walks in the chamber, when he walks in the Headmaster's
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chamber, that he has sort ofa PTSD moment. Right, there's this
loud eruption of noise and he's like, oh god, is it a spell?
Is it? You know dath theaters? And it turns out to be
applause, and he's just not preparedfor it at all. Yeah, I
mean it. It's such a wonderfulscene because every single Headmaster's clapping for him
and cheering for him, and ofcourse it's you know, to me,
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it's the most moving moment in thischapter where you know Dumbledore is it's just
at him with such pride and gratitude, and he's Dumbledore's portrait is crying and
and it says that it filled Harrywith the balm as a phoenix song days
and I think it's just so beautiful. And then of course they have this
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great conversation. You know, hesays, you know that thing that was
hidden in the snitch, I droppedin the forest and I don't remember where
it was, and I don't thinkanybody else does, so I'm just gonna
leave it there. And you know, but I'm gonna I'm gonna keep the
cloak and he's like, oh,Son, that that's yours to keep forever
until you pass it on. AndI just love it. And then I
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love that he's like, you knowwhat, I don't want this wand I
I this is not what I want. And there's this beautiful moment where he
pulls out of the pouch that Haggardhad given him his phoenix wand and he's
like, if you know, ifthis doesn't work, doesn't work, I
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know what else is going to do. And I love that it works to
repair his phoenix wand and he picksit up and he's felt. He feels
that warmth that he had it atolive Ander's all those years ago, and
he says I'm putting the Elder wandI'm putting it in Dumbledore's tomb. And
if I die a you know,a death of natural causes, the wand
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will have no more power. AndI just I love it. I really
love it. And and Ron's flabbergasted, and Harry's like, you know what,
It's just it's more trouble than it'sworth and quite honestly not what I
want. And I love that histhought process is, I wonder if I
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can get to my four poster bedGriffin to or tower and maybe Creature will
bring me a sandwich. It's avery hairy thought to sort of end on
um, and I do love thatone is he's talking to Dumbledore about all
the deadly hollows. He's very crypticand very specific to not name things.
(40:08):
He doesn't call it the resurrection Stone, he doesn't say where it was.
He doesn't even say like, oh, I don't know where it is.
I'm just gonna leave it. He'slike, I'm intentionally leaving it, right.
He's very intentional with his decisions.He doesn't call the Cloak the cloak.
He says the thing from ignatious,like he's just describing it. Because
he knows Dumbledore knows, but hedoesn't want It's almost like he doesn't want
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to leave breadcrumbs for anyone else toever potentially find it, right, he
wants these things gone forever. Well, yeah, because the only other people
that are listening are the portraits,right, but he doesn't want them knowing
because Haron and Hermione he already know. But yeah, so absolutely, that's
a great point. So he's like, he's very thoughtful that that somebody might
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commask the portraits in the future andhe doesn't want them to have enough insight
to say anything about it. Right, But yeah, I do. And
I love specifically when he starts talkingabout the one because you can't avoid the
wand like everyone in the world knowsabout the wand they know it belongs to
Harry, they know he has it, blah blah blah. And he doesn't
even say I'm putting it back inyour tomb. He says, I'm putting
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it back where it was, right. He's still as cryptic as he can
be in this case. But Ilove that part of his reasoning behind it
is the fact that when he holdsit up, she calls out that the
like response that Hermione and Ron haveto the Wand itself is a major factor
in his decision, like the factthat they have Ron has this sort of
(41:34):
like burning desire to have it.It's got this desirable look, and that
Hermione has this almost fearful look toher, like he's like, this means
it's too powerful and it needs togo right, Like we need to finish
what you started. Let's let thepower naturally die, Let's let it just
be any other Wand you know,I love that she calls that out because
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it does it plays into what weknow of for my knee, and it
plays into what we know of ronUm. And that even two people who
are the best versions of themselves couldstill be swayed by something shows the intense
power this wand really does have.Um, even if in just lore not
reality, that's enough, right,Like the beliefs and the stories behind it
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are enough to give it the dangerouspower. Um. But yeah, I
do love that, And I dolove that he ends on the thought with
creature. That's so that's so incrediblysweet because it's such a long journey and
we've had with Creature too, soum, well, it shows almost his
acceptance of that creature is his responsibility. Yeah, you know, um,
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there's a relationship between them. Nowobviously creature is in their camp, you
know exactly, We'll get that.But you know, he had also the
moment that Harry gave him the locket. He had been on Harry's side from
you know, this book. Sowe really see the you know, Harry
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having done the right thing back atthe beginning of the book and his treatment
of creature in the first place theremade all the difference. And I think
there's a real beauty to that herein the story. And so, like
you said, kind of ending withhim thinking about that, And in some
ways I think it's poetic too,because you think about you know, he
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probably would have thought to himself ifif Dobby hadn't died, he would have
thought of Dobby, I'm sure,right, yeah, But Dobby's gone and
and so he doesn't have the abilityto think about him, and so I
just really it is a really beautifulend. And like you said, it's
also very Harry to think, verypractically. Harry's always been kind of a
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practical person and so to be like, you know what, I just want
to go to bed, and Iwant to sandwich is fantastic and it's it's
a funny and when you think aboutit, but also you're like, this
kid has earned it, you know, like he's still a kid really,
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you know, he's eighteen years old, seventeen years old so well, and
I love that. It's like itfeels very like the start of something new,
right, Like he just wants asandwich, he wants to go to
bed. He calls out as heeven goes through this, that he sees
Jenny. But the thing that resumesthere is like there will be time,
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there'll be hours, there'll be days, there'll be baby years for him to
connect with her that he never everthought he would have. And so to
have a sandwich, go to bedand have a sandwich and start over fresh,
it is like it almost feels likeit's the beginning of his life,
right, And so it's a veryit feels very hairy, not just because
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he's very pragmatic, but because it'salso like the very simple start to the
very simple life that he wants tohave, that he's always wanted to have.
He actually gets it now. Soa nap in a sandwich are exactly
and are everything he has ever wantedlike, that's all how Harry has ever
wanted out of life is a nap, a sandwich and people who love him.
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And that's it. Yeah. Well, and when you think about it,
you know, it's the very thingsthat Harry didn't have in the first
book. He did not have aplace to sleep, that was he felt
like it was his own. He'ssleeping under the cover, and he was
not treated well and didn't have hedidn't have the best food. You know,
they gave him the leftover rs.You know, he wasn't he wasn't
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taking care of and now he's takingcare of everything for everyone else. Everybody
can live now, and now it'stime for him to be able to live,
like you said. And I thinkthere's a real beauty in that.
And I think that's what makes youknows. There's been discussions about the epilogue
in the book and everything, butI think that's what makes it so important,
is that we want to see thatall of this meant something in the
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sense that Harry now gets to livea life free from all of this.
There's freedom on the other side ofsalvation, right, and Harry has saved
not only himself but the entire WizardingWorld, and now he gets to live
in that freedom. And that's thebeautiful thing that's coming up in our next
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episode. So and I hadn't evenmade the parallel to the to where we
started to where we ended, butyou're absolutely right. It is everything he
never had. He never had someoneto care for him. He never had
because creature is give him the locket. Creature's free right. A creature can
do whatever creature wants. But andthe fact the thought was, like,
I wonder if creature will bring mea sandwich, right, not can I
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order him to write? Like willhe do that? I think it's it's
like you said, it's a bed, it's a house, it's a whole
home, it's a sandwich, rightLike it's it's control over his own destiny.
And you're right, You're absolutely right. It's everything he never had when
we started, and he never evencould have dreamed to have wanted. And
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I love that. I love thatwe go from where it's like those memes
online, where we started where weare now. Right, it's a good
one, right where we started undera cabinet, to you know, where
I am now getting a sandwich inbed? Right, even if creature doesn't
bring it just having that sandwich inbed, Yeah, it sounds amazing.
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UM, But I'm just I lovethat I hadn't even thought about that,
and that's exactly what it is.And I think it's just a perfect note
to end on Um, at leastfor the actual story before we do get
into the epilogue, which we'll talkabout in our next episode. But yeah,
I mean, there's so much thathappens in this chapter. It's one
of our longer episodes I'm noticing.But um, I think it's a beautiful
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way for her to wrap up whatshe spent ten years writing. M probably
longer, I think, But yeah, it's a it's a big journey we've
been on, and I think thethe ending and how proud Dumbledore is and
he even says like, I neveryou know, that's absolutely what I would
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do, And I'm not sure Ishouldn't be surprised that you're exactly who we
need, Um. But I dofeel like in this chapter I missed a
little bit of Ron Harrit and Hermione, like I want a little like in
the movie, we get a littlebit more closure with them. They throw
the wand off they break it inpieces and throw it off the every time
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it's so stupid, which is totallynot right, But at least I feel
like we get there's a little bitmore of that closure between the three of
them. Um. I don't knowif it's because visually I'm getting it more
from the movie than I'm getting itfrom the story, but because we've been
on such a journey with the threeof them, I almost want that to
have tied up a little bit tighterthan we got in this chapter, which
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maybe why I actually enjoy the epilogue. Yeah, I think I think you
know that because what it does isshe says, he tells her them the
story you know, of everything that'slike you know, and so you realize
that that's like a forty minute conversation, and so in the book it feels
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like it's less time actually, eventhough it's actually more. And yeah,
I mean, I I don't wantto end on talking about how mad I
am at the movie for ending this, but this is fantastic and I just
I can't wait. You know,obviously we have the epilogue and then our
wrap up episode to be able totalk about this, but it has been,
you know, an incredible journey andyou know one to which you know,
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I'm just reminded again how much Ilove this series and how important I
think it is and why I thinkit stands the test of time is that
you know, we'll get that.We'll get to that when we get to
a wrap up episode, because Idon't need to talk about that right now.
It's like, oh yeah, settleback, ye ye yo, put
your guns back, put it,put it back. It's not time to
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you could find us. So,Dreya, you know, this chapter starts
really interestingly. Again, We're justgonna get right to it because we do.
There's a lot in this chapter whereyou know, everything obviously finally comes
together and Harry wakes up. Andwhat I find most interesting and I feel
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like I can't remember if they didthis in the movie, but you know,
he's literally getting to his feet againVoldemort because he's been knocked on his
butt apparently. And it's interesting becausea lot of this comes from Harry's point
of view, as most of thechapters do in the series, where there's
a lot of this that Harry doesn'tknow exactly what action happens because he's as
(01:57):
his eyes closed here at the beginning, because he's pretending to be dead.
He's supposed to be Dad. Yeah, weird, And so Vollemort's getting to
his feet, he's trying to shootaway his followers, and then he tells
somebody to come check and see ifHarry is actually dead. And very interestingly,
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we have Narcissa come to see ifHarry's awake, and she doesn't really
care about whether he's dead or alive. She just asks is Draco alive?
Yeah, this part is pretty trueto the movie, but I think because
within the Bucks, we get somuch more appreciation for Draco and for this
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Malfoy family and kind of understand moreabout them and their motivation. The moment
here is that much more beautiful withNarcissa, right, and the fact that
Harry answers it without even really comprehending, the fact that he first says yes
and then says, oh, Iguess she doesn't care about Baltimore and his
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crusade anymore. She just cares abouther son. The fact that he answers
her honestly first and then has thatthought to me is just significant, right.
Yeah, And the fact that youknow, she sort of announces him,
and you know, they don't dothis part in the movie, which
is a shame, but they sortof play with his quote unquote dead body
(03:34):
in the victorious manner. You know, I have to imagine that would be
really challenging and keep yourself limp whenyou're not limp, right, when you're
not dead yet to play dead andand like worry about holding onto your invisibility
cloak and your wand and like everythingelse that you want to make sure you
keep, but you can't really holdon to it, right. It's such
(03:57):
a difficult place to be. Butyeah, I I don't recall either whether
or not Valdemore is like sort oftaken aback in the movie, I want
to say, no, or atleast not to the extent in the book.
In the book, we don't knowwhat happened, but Harry kind of
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speculates that maybe he also lost consciousnessand kind of passed out for a little
while during this whole thing that happenedin his head, which we also don't
know if it's been ten seconds orten minutes, right right, So you
know, we get this impression thatValdemore was somehow impacted by what happened with
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Harry. And you know, Ido think that the fear among the death
eaters was pretty significant too. Thatwas something that really resonated with me reading
it. Is like everyone was afraidof Baltimore. Everyone was afraid of Harry.
Nobody knew what was going on,everyone was fearful of what was going
on, um until they kind ofmaybe felt like it was a success and
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our sister told him that Harry wasdead and now they're going to celebrate.
Yeah, and no, you're absolutelyright, because like you said, you
know, they they they start cursinghis body, and you know, with
the Cruciati's curse, and like,you know, Harry's flopping around like a
rag doll, or at least tryingto so they don't know he's awake.
And then they forced Hagrid to pickhim up, and we get the feeling
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like Hagrid's being coerced magically to toto walk towards the castle where he's going
to of course present Harry's dead bodiedeverybody and say suck it, guys,
I won um And that's yea,it is basically what he says. Yeah,
that was that's the Matthew paraphrase.Um. But I really appreciate too
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that We also, you know,we've we've had this huge battle that's been
happening at Hogwarts, right, We'vehad you know, every type of creature
being in this battle. And weget Haggard as he's walking through the forest
and he's calling out the Centaurs forbeing cowards and not fighting and how awful
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they are and how basically they shouldall just go and die, you know,
like he's so upset, and thatis actually what makes this so fascinating
is it really plays a huge partinto what that's about to happen, because
you know, we get Voldemort proclaiminghis victory, that Harry is dead,
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that he ran away and tried toget away, and I killed him the
battle as one the boy who livedis dead, and so come and join
me on my side and we couldbuild something together. Like he gets real
diplomatic here, as at the sametime he's also bragging that you know,
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he's won. So I want togo back to the centaurs. I think
that's such an interesting element to herstory. And I think she's us.
She's used them back from the firsttime we met Pruens to now as kind
of a way. I mean,they were warned of Baltimore and his coming
and tried to solicit them onto thequote unquote good side, right, and
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they basically wanted to be this neutralparty that didn't have a stake in the
game. Right, They've been treatedbadly. It doesn't matter if it's a
good or a bad wizard. Theyhave their own prejudice. And here is
really the consequences of that. Right, they are taunted and kind of thrown
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curses at by these stat theaters thatare coming through them. You know,
they are paying the price for beingabstaining from being a part of this even
though they shouldn't have it, AndI think that's such a strong argument for
those of us who stay quiet whenthings are when bad things are happening around
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us, Like, you can tryto stay quiet, but in the long
rue, you're still going to paysome sort of price for your silence.
And I think that's sort of themessage she's sending here with the Centaurs is
like, you try to stay outof this and it didn't work out in
your favor, like you should have. You really need to pick a side,
right, like you needed to takea stance. Yeah, well,
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I think I mean that is areally great point. There is a time
in which you know you can't beneutral, you know, you you have
to pick a side. You know, there's there's such a thing as evil
that must be confronted, and youknow, Rowling's books are all about that
here, you know of the factthat there is evil that cannot be tolerated.
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And no, I absolutely agree.I think that's a great point to
pull out. In fact, youknow that actually Rowling's newest book, her
other children's book that has just recentlycome out, is that is also kind
of one of the big points inthat as well. So something that she
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continues to see is important. SoI this moment gets me every time,
when you know, we hear thisterrible scream and it comes from Professor mcgonaghal
and Harry's like he didn't even knowshe could make that sound. And then
of course Ron and Hermione and Ginnyand others join in, and it's even
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worse for Harry then, and hecan't do anything yet, like the moment
has it come for him to beable to reveal himself or find a way
to get away yet And and throughoutall of this too, he's been watching
kind of through his half, youknow, his mostly closed eyes. But
Voldemort has been walking close to wherehe is with Hagrid, and he can
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see that Nagini she's out of theshell now that she's been in the protective
of shell that he's had her in, and he's just she's just kind of
wrapped around his neck. And whoshould step forward but the one and only
novel long Bottom to take on Voldemort. Yeah, it's I think there's so
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much here. I mean, Ilove that it's so interesting because the part
that got me all worked up wasnot even McGonagall scream, but Valdemort's flat
up blatant lie about Harry. Right, Oh, he was running from the
castle to save himself, Like,no, he was it. There was
no x, there was no waythat his behavior was interpreted that way.
(10:41):
So the sheer manipulative nature by whichhe kind of approaches this like it just
named my blood boil. Right.The thing I did appreciate is that it
doesn't seem like anybody in Dumbledore's armyor on that side bought it. Right.
They know Harry well and to knowthat that is not at all what
would have happened, which makes sortof the grief and pain that we're experiencing
(11:05):
through them all the more richer,right, because they know they're being lied
to. They know they assume he'sdead because he looks dead and they're being
told he's dead. But yeah,I think honestly, this is where Neville
gets the shaft in the movies,because he stands up to Baltimore so much
more boldly than they give him theopportunity in the movie. I mean,
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they at least give him the sceneand he gets to do the big act
of cutting the snake's head off,which we now know Harry told him to
do. But yeah, I meanhe is such an amazing character, and
this is such a complete arc forhim, from the little kid who you
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know, stood up to Harry andHermione and Ron at the middle of the
first book to now the character whostands up to them the scariest dude on
the block, right, I thinkit's amazing, and Neville is such an
amazing character. It's so much moreterrifying too, because Voldemort calls for the
(12:09):
sorting hat and says that there willno longer be at Hogwarts any other houses
other than the House of Slytherin,and he takes the hat, magically forces
it onto Neville's head below his eyes, and then sets it a flame.
So it's terrifying what happens. Andthen, I mean, legitimately kind of
(12:33):
all hell breaks loose because Garp comesjust running out of nowhere and you know,
sees Hagrid, and before they knowit, the death Eaters are under
attack by the Centaurs. And inthis attack, I mean, everything goes
crazy. And this is the momentwhere in all of the chaos, Neville
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is able to take out the snake. He's able to kill the last hour
Crux. And not only that,but this is also where Harry's able to
escape, he pulls up the cloakvery quickly, puts it on and runs
away and starts helping people by throwingup you know, shield charms all over
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the place to keep people safe.Winged creatures like the Thestrals and buckbeat come
and like things get insane, Likeyou've got house elves running out of the
castle being led by creature who's gotthe locket bouncing in his checks and he's
like, they fight for Regulus Black. You know, so none of this
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is in the movie, and it'sso much better than the crap that they
pull where it turns into this weirdaerial fight between Voldemort and Harry, when
all of this is so much moreimportant because what we're seeing here is that,
you know, a wizarding world thatwe have seen divided in many ways,
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right has all pulled together finally tofight this one thing. And I
think there's a real beauty in that. You know, you were saying earlier,
there's this point where you have tomake the choice to fight or or
just get out right, and theCentaurs finally here at the last moment,
they make their choice. They fightyou know, the householves, they make
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their choice to fight. You know, all of these magical creatures that you
know, Harry has treated so wellin his life, you know, that
have been a you know, we'vealways seen magical creatures kind of gravitate towards
him in a strange way. Youknow, all these kind of odd balls
and you know what weirdos as peoplemight call them, have all gravitated towards
this person who has treated them withkindness and respect, and everybody comes together,
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and I just it's so much moreimpactful to see that, because it
makes everything that Rowling has been writingabout so much more important, right like
the house elves and their liberation,you know, the things we've seen with
Hagrid and the care of magical creaturesand how important that is, you know,
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and the you know, the differentcharacters. I mean, later on
we'll talk a little bit about Luna, you know, and just her acceptance
by Harry, you know, andhow that plays out here and so um,
by the way, Charlie Weasley ishere too, because we were wondering
if he's here, but she sheknows that he is here. So I
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mean it's also great, um,and as they're kind of all battling and
moving into the Great Hall and thismassive battle is happening. Um. I
do love that she calls out verymuch like the movie, although even better
here is that Lucius and Narcissa they'rejust running through the crowd looking for their
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son. They're not trying to battleanyone, and so we see this kind
of turn with their family of thisis what really matters to them is being
alive. You know, they justwant to be on the winning side in
many ways, and their family beingalive, like there's been a change of
heart in some ways. And thenyou know, we got the best battle
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other than Harry and Voldemart coming upright here as well. I mean it's
literally the best, probably the bestline in the book. So yeah,
there's there is there's so much tounpack here. I mean, i'd love
I actually love the fact that inthe book every character sort of get or
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every like group or impact. Here, everyone sort of gets their moment right
in the movie, Harry jumps tolife very quickly comes to save the day.
In this case, everyone's sort oflike pre invigorated by his death and
the stakes have changed, right,They are now fighting for themselves, which
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they had previously relied on Harry andothers to fight for them. So I
like that they're he slips away underthe cloak and they're given the opportunity to
fight those battles themselves, right,Like Nevil's emboldened because he now knows Harry's
not there to fill in the gap. He you know, there's so much
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to that, and I think thatit's it's beautiful and it's inspiring and it
makes you want to get up andfight yourself before you have to wait for
your symbol to go away, right, And so I think having him kind
of quietly sappoy and Hagrid being reallythe only one who noticed feels right,
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especially knowing how much Hagrid loves Harry. Yeah, it's right, it's right
that that's how it's happening. SoI mean, well, I mean I
love it having the having the battlethat I love here, which is,
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you know, we get these characters. We've got Voldemort who's dueling with McGonagall
and slow corning m Kingsley all atthe same time, and then we had
Bellatrix who had been battling with Ginnyand Hermione and Luna all at the same
time, and Ginny almost dies,you know, there's a there's a killing
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curse that just flies right by herhead by inches. And that's when Molly
Weasley turns out to be a bada mother, you know what. And
this is this is again it's oneof the best moments of the entire book
because you know, Molly is acharacter to which I think everybody loves in
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the series, you know, buthere she really shines and shows herself to
be not just a capable cook anda wonderful mother, but she is a
warrior and she kicks her ass.She does. It's it's amazing, even
the way they just describe Belitrick's facefrom going from like amused to like,
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oh snap. I mean even Harry'slike, whoa all right, missus Weasley
right, like she just gets inthat and it's hell, hath no fury,
like a mother's a mother's love,like she is all over that and
she is just it's like a snapfor her, like what happened to Fred,
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and it was that she was nevergonna let that happen to another kid
again, and she's gonna take it, you know, on herself. And
what I actually love about this thatwe've missed from the movie and it's amazing
and I wish it had happened.Is that, you know, Molly is
victorious over Belitrick's and I love thebut it's a parallel to serious as death
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that it's her arrogance and there's thisflash and Harry knows exactly what's going to
happen, because I think a lotof us can relate to that. You're
watching something happen, You're like,I know what's going to happen next.
So Molly is victorious over Belotix,right, and that infuriates Baltimore and he
starts to turn his attention to Molly, and Harry under his cloak throws up
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a charm and saves Molly, rightyeah, and then reveals themself to be
alive. Right. But at thesame time, he I felt like,
in my mind, the Weasleys havedone so much for Harry that he was
like, this is my opportunity topay them back. And they don't need
to know that that's what it is. But I will feel like I have
brought something to this family as apart of this family, and I'm protecting
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her as if she was my ownmother. I feel like it was just
like it wasn't the same as throwingup a shield for everybody, like there
was a very there's intentionality behind that, and it meant a lot to him,
Yeah, to be able to dothat, and that that was the
moment he was going to do thatand then reveal himself. Yes, right,
yeah, I agree. No,I mean he's now saved both of
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them, you know, which isreally fun. Whereas you know, he
could have never saved his own parentsbecause they died to save him. Now
he's died to save the wise.You know, he's died to save them.
And that's what Harry's about to say, you know, and I love
you know, he tells everybody,look, it's got to be me,
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so I don't want anybody else totry and help. And you know,
Voldemort's taunting him, of course,and he's like, no, there are
no more har Cruxes. It's justyou and me, and neither can live.
All the other survives, and oneof us it's about to leave for
good. And you know, youjust love sassy Harry, but he has
every reason to be. He issuper sassy here, and I love how
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he kind of uses some of Voldemort'stactics back on him in his own way,
right, specifically. I love thathe's like, hey, have you
noticed that none of your spells seemto be working super great? Which,
yeah, they're not working great,but he also kind of was helping them
not work great. Right, He'sthrown up shields, he's helping people out
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from under his cloak. But heknows the way to get through and kind
of break down his guard a littlebit is to get into his head.
Yeah, I mean, because hetalks about, you know, the fact
that it Voldemort is like, hey, this is an accident. These are
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all accidents. He's like, soit was an accident when my mother died
to save me. That was anaccident. It was an accident when I
decided to fight in the graveyard,you know, or that I didn't defend
myself tonight. And you know,Voldemort is enraged with this idea. He
and then like you said, herealized, He says, you know,
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you're not going to be killing anyoneever again. You haven't you realized that
none of your spells have had theimpact that you expected them to have on
people that I died for. AndVoldemort's like, well, but you didn't
die, And he's like, butI meant to and that's what matters.
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And basically Harry has done the exactsame thing that his mother did for him.
He was willing to die, andnow that magical protection is over all
of these people, and it's justsuch a beautiful thing. And you know
we've talked before, you know,just about you know, rawling and her
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ideas, you know, especially spiritually, and I think this is the clearest
presentation of what she believes, youknow, one dies for all and it's
just a beautiful thing. And Ireally love that in much the same way
as you know, basically, likeJesus facing off with the devil. He's
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like, no, you don't understand, and you've never understood, and it's
in in fact, if you don'tlisten and think real hard, it's going
to be the last mistake you'll evermake, you know. And Voldemort is
just in sense, He's like,what is it? Is it love?
Again? Is it love? AndHe's like, well, if it's not
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love, you think you've got aweapon more powerful than I do. And
Harry's like, I have both.Yeah, I think I think it's like
his own arrogance is taking him downright, Like he it's it's just the
powerful, it's powerful right. Ithink it's more wordy. It's definitely more
worthy than the movie. It's borderlinetoo wordy of a conversation for me,
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Like, I almost feel like,how is this actually playing out? Right?
Why? It's that it's almost like, what is what is it called?
The like the villain's monologue they alwaysgive right before they like lay out
their super evil plan. Right,it's almost the heroes monologue of the same
way, breaking down the villain's monologue. But yeah, I he does.
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He walks Us and Baltimore through kindof the key flaw in his plan,
and in doing so, he essentiallyclears Snape in front of all of these
people, right, which is alsoa very beautiful thing to do. Right.
He didn't have to clear his name, he didn't have to kind of
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clarify the fact that he his Snapewas also just motivated by love. Right,
He just acted differently than others.Did you know he was an anti
hero? If he will? Well? And I think but that you know
you mentioned this is this is kindof a wordy end, But I think
in the end it is kind ofthe point for her, which is this
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is not a battle of like magicalability and everything. This is a battle
of knowledge. This is a battleof wisdom, This is a battle of
the deepest magic, right and andreally that kind of I think harkens back
all the way to you know,Rallings has always said, you know,
she likes the Chronicles of Narnian,and that's what undoes the magic right in
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the Lion, the Witch and theWardrobe, which is she the the White
Witch forgot about the deeper magic thatwas written into the Laws of Narnia when
it was created. And here thisis this is the difference. Voldemort only
has a very cursory understanding of powerand magical power, because all he thinks
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of is power, so he's neverthought about anything beyond that. So,
of course, because he has knownstanding of love or anything else, he's
missing an entire side of magic thathe just completely discounts. And Harry doesn't,
and neither did Dumbledore. And that'swhat made you know they even have
it in this conversation. Dumbledore wasgreater than you, Voldemor, because no,
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he dreamed of the magic that youdid, but he knew that it
wasn't right. He was cleverer you, He was a better wizard, and
he was a better man. Andthat's what it made him be able to
say no to that type of thingin the end, and you didn't.
And absolutely the same thing with SeverasSnape. Yes, Severus did things where
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he pursued power, and yet hestill always had this love for Harry's mother
that kept him coming back and kepthim good. And I think, yeah,
and what do we learn here,Like Severas Snape was the greatest Aucklemans
of the age to be able tofool Voldemort for all of those years,
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and Voldemort literally never knew it untilthis second when he's like, you never
saw my mom's patronis, did you? And you never saw Snap's patronis.
It was always the same. Healways loved her. It wasn't just about
some carnal thing with him. No, he truly loved her. And that's
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what you don't understand. And Ilove when he's like, I just I
think before you try to kill me, I think you need to think about
what you've done and maybe just tryfor a little remorse. And I love
that he even makes it worse whenhe's like, be a man, try
for some remorse. And I don'tI don't necessarily think this is a thing
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about where he's saying, like gender, be a man. I think what
he's saying is like be a humanbeing, be human. Yeah, he
is saying find the humanity, bea paying ye again Yeah, no,
I agree, I agree with that. That's definitely how I interpreted that too.
Yeah, And I think what Ithink what also really is highlighted here
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and what you've touched on, isthat there is a lack of fundamental not
even just knowing, like hearing something, but understanding it right, that Baltimore
lost. And I think we sawthat play out and book to do.
When you think about malfoy learning thingsversus Harry and Hermione learning things right,
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like, there's an embodying and ataking in of the knowledge and processing it
and saying, Okay, so what'sthe impact of this, What does this
mean? How does this connect?Right? There's a deeper level to all
of this that Baltimore is taking iton. What's the strongest and most powerful,
not necessarily what is grounded in thedeepest meaning. Right, And that's
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why I love, love, lovethat the final battle is one spell from
each of them, and that Harry'sis the ultimate simplistic first thing they learn
as wizards that is also like itis one of the most fundamental things they
learned that I think there's even acall out several books ago about how like
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why are we learning this? AndI think Lupin was the one to say,
like learning to protect yourself as themost important thing you can do,
and that that simple expelliamis is whatactually saves him when he gets crapped for
at the beginning of the book,when he uses that spell instead of an
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aggressive one, right, but thatis the one that saves today. That's
the one that ends all of thiswell, and that is what it comes
down to in end, is thatthis misunderstanding of and not even it's not
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just even misunderstanding, but for forVoldemort it's it's an it's no research into
what's actually happened, right, Likehe doesn't know all the details, right
he thinks he knows what happened,but it doesn't, so he's going off
bad facts. And what we learnis is that you know, Snape never
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beat Dumbledore. Dumbledore had already beendisarmed by the time he got there.
In fact, Dumbledore's genius plan oneof the reasons that he was going to
have this packed. And this iswhere I think that question we kind of
talked about a little bit where um, whether or not we're talking about,
you know, youth in Asia orany of those kind of things. It's
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absolutely not because Dumbledore knows that himwillingly giving his life and willingly allowing Snape
to kill him would break the curseof this Wand, which is that it
needs to be taken in some kindof force, and that would was his
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goal. Was you set this upbeforehand, and then you allowed you know,
Snape to do this to Dumbledore andthe Wand doesn't have any more special
power to it. But instead Malfoyhad disarmed Snape. Malfoy had disarmed Dumbledore
and to become the Wand's master.So by the time Snape picks it up,
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he's never truly the master. AndVoldemort doesn't realize this, And of
course he also doesn't know that Harryhad disarmed Draco weeks ago and become the
Blackthorn Wand's master. And of coursenow we know the true master of the
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Elder One is Harry and always hasbeen. That's why the Wand hasn't really
been working for Voldemore in the firstplace, and that's why when that spell
happens, Voldemort spell rebounds and hitshimself and he dies, and Harry catches
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the wand with the the panache ofa of a seeker, and it's just
so what's so beautiful about it ishow much she has woven into this story
here, in this ending where everysingle book matters. Yeah, and on
top of all of that mattering,I love that ultimately he actually doesn't kill
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He is his own undoing. Hedoes it to himself, right. She's
very specific to call out that thecurse rebounded and in Voldemore ultimately killed himself.
And the fa that has been thetheme since we heard about the prophecy
and it became that Valdemort has createdthis path himself. It's been very self
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fulfilling. He is his own worstemmy. This is the ultimate antithesis of
that he is the worst enemy ofhimself because he ultimately kills himself. But
he is his own demise And Ireally love it. You know, this
whole moment where you know, everybodyjust kind of erupts into joy, you
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know, and everybody's excited, andyou know, people are all around him,
and in many ways, you know, it's just so much for Harry,
and I love that he finds away to kind of find himself on
a bench sitting next to Luna,and Luna just wonderfully. She's like,
I'd really want some peace and quietif it were me, and Harry's like,
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I would love some and she's like, I'll distract them all, use
your cloak, and it's just soadorable. And as he is making his
way to find Ron and Hermione,he sees the Moufoys just kind of huddled
over in this corner all by themselves, and they don't really seem to care
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about anybody, and nobody seems tocare about them, and it's just this
kind of little moment where you seethat there has been a big change in
this and I love too when they'regoing to go up the Dumbledore's office and
the gargoyle has been destroyed, andHarry's like, I'm not even really sure
if passwords work, but he's like, can we go in? And he's
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like, be my guest the gargoyle. Yeah. I love that Harry's true
introvert nature kicks in here and he'sjust like, I just want to be
alone in my bed and sleep andprocess and I want only my people.
Right, As an introvert, Ican totally relate to this moment of like,
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Okay, I'm doing what I haveto do. What all they want
is to be alone? And Ithink I think the beautiful moment here with
Luna that you highlighted is also hershowing how much she actually understands Harry,
because whether or not she would actuallywant that time alone, I don't know,
but she knows he would want thattime alone right right, and she's
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she's thinking of him and caring forhim. And you know, as much
as she probably wants to shake hishand and celebrate and learn more, she
knows that what he needs right nowis to just sneak away and do whatever
he needs to do before he cancompletely kind of decompress. And I love
that she gives it to him,and I love that she does it in
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a very lunar way by like tryingto get everyone to look at some random
thing on the other side of theroom. And yeah, and then they
go up to the you know,he tells Ron and Hermione all the story,
and as painful as it is andas much as they're kind of in
shocking one at you call it,they end up at the office, and
I always had an underlying read herewhen he asked the gargoyle if he can
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go up that the gargoyle is like, yeah, dude, whatever you want.
Yeah, right, Like there's thislike dude thrown in there in my
mind, this this gargoyle like ona tilt. He's like, yeah,
man, whatever, head on up. It's you, it's your castle now.
I don't care um, But yeah, I do find his reaction too,
that when he walks in the chamber, when he walks in the Headmaster's
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chamber, that he has sort ofa PTSD moment. Right, there's this
loud eruption of noise and he's like, oh god, is it a spell?
Is it? You know dath theaters? And it turns out to be
applause, and he's just not preparedfor it at all. Yeah, I
mean it. It's such a wonderfulscene because every single Headmaster's clapping for him
and cheering for him, and ofcourse it's you know, to me,
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it's the most moving moment in thischapter where you know Dumbledore is it's just
at him with such pride and gratitude, and he's Dumbledore's portrait is crying and
and it says that it filled Harrywith the balm as a phoenix song days
and I think it's just so beautiful. And then of course they have this
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great conversation. You know, hesays, you know that thing that was
hidden in the snitch, I droppedin the forest and I don't remember where
it was, and I don't thinkanybody else does, so I'm just gonna
leave it there. And you know, but I'm gonna I'm gonna keep the
cloak and he's like, oh,Son, that that's yours to keep forever
until you pass it on. AndI just love it. And then I
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love that he's like, you knowwhat, I don't want this wand I
I this is not what I want. And there's this beautiful moment where he
pulls out of the pouch that Haggardhad given him his phoenix wand and he's
like, if you know, ifthis doesn't work, doesn't work, I
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know what else is going to do. And I love that it works to
repair his phoenix wand and he picksit up and he's felt. He feels
that warmth that he had it atolive Ander's all those years ago, and
he says I'm putting the Elder wandI'm putting it in Dumbledore's tomb. And
if I die a you know,a death of natural causes, the wand
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will have no more power. AndI just I love it. I really
love it. And and Ron's flabbergasted, and Harry's like, you know what,
It's just it's more trouble than it'sworth and quite honestly not what I
want. And I love that histhought process is, I wonder if I
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can get to my four poster bedGriffin to or tower and maybe Creature will
bring me a sandwich. It's avery hairy thought to sort of end on
um, and I do love thatone is he's talking to Dumbledore about all
the deadly hollows. He's very crypticand very specific to not name things.
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He doesn't call it the resurrection Stone, he doesn't say where it was.
He doesn't even say like, oh, I don't know where it is.
I'm just gonna leave it. He'slike, I'm intentionally leaving it, right.
He's very intentional with his decisions.He doesn't call the Cloak the cloak.
He says the thing from ignatious,like he's just describing it. Because
he knows Dumbledore knows, but hedoesn't want It's almost like he doesn't want
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to leave breadcrumbs for anyone else toever potentially find it, right, he
wants these things gone forever. Well, yeah, because the only other people
that are listening are the portraits,right, but he doesn't want them knowing
because Haron and Hermione he already know. But yeah, so absolutely, that's
a great point. So he's like, he's very thoughtful that that somebody might
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commask the portraits in the future andhe doesn't want them to have enough insight
to say anything about it. Right, But yeah, I do. And
I love specifically when he starts talkingabout the one because you can't avoid the
wand like everyone in the world knowsabout the wand they know it belongs to
Harry, they know he has it, blah blah blah. And he doesn't
even say I'm putting it back inyour tomb. He says, I'm putting
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it back where it was, right. He's still as cryptic as he can
be in this case. But Ilove that part of his reasoning behind it
is the fact that when he holdsit up, she calls out that the
like response that Hermione and Ron haveto the Wand itself is a major factor
in his decision, like the factthat they have Ron has this sort of
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like burning desire to have it.It's got this desirable look, and that
Hermione has this almost fearful look toher, like he's like, this means
it's too powerful and it needs togo right, Like we need to finish
what you started. Let's let thepower naturally die, Let's let it just
be any other Wand you know,I love that she calls that out because
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it does it plays into what weknow of for my knee, and it
plays into what we know of ronUm. And that even two people who
are the best versions of themselves couldstill be swayed by something shows the intense
power this wand really does have.Um, even if in just lore not
reality, that's enough, right,Like the beliefs and the stories behind it
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are enough to give it the dangerouspower. Um. But yeah, I
do love that, And I dolove that he ends on the thought with
creature. That's so that's so incrediblysweet because it's such a long journey and
we've had with Creature too, soum, well, it shows almost his
acceptance of that creature is his responsibility. Yeah, you know, um,
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there's a relationship between them. Nowobviously creature is in their camp, you
know exactly, We'll get that.But you know, he had also the
moment that Harry gave him the locket. He had been on Harry's side from
you know, this book. Sowe really see the you know, Harry
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having done the right thing back atthe beginning of the book and his treatment
of creature in the first place theremade all the difference. And I think
there's a real beauty to that herein the story. And so, like
you said, kind of ending withhim thinking about that, And in some
ways I think it's poetic too,because you think about you know, he
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probably would have thought to himself ifif Dobby hadn't died, he would have
thought of Dobby, I'm sure,right, yeah, But Dobby's gone and
and so he doesn't have the abilityto think about him, and so I
just really it is a really beautifulend. And like you said, it's
also very Harry to think, verypractically. Harry's always been kind of a
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practical person and so to be like, you know what, I just want
to go to bed, and Iwant to sandwich is fantastic and it's it's
a funny and when you think aboutit, but also you're like, this
kid has earned it, you know, like he's still a kid really,
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you know, he's eighteen years old, seventeen years old so well, and
I love that. It's like itfeels very like the start of something new,
right, Like he just wants asandwich, he wants to go to
bed. He calls out as heeven goes through this, that he sees
Jenny. But the thing that resumesthere is like there will be time,
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there'll be hours, there'll be days, there'll be baby years for him to
connect with her that he never everthought he would have. And so to
have a sandwich, go to bedand have a sandwich and start over fresh,
it is like it almost feels likeit's the beginning of his life,
right, And so it's a veryit feels very hairy, not just because
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he's very pragmatic, but because it'salso like the very simple start to the
very simple life that he wants tohave, that he's always wanted to have.
He actually gets it now. Soa nap in a sandwich are exactly
and are everything he has ever wantedlike, that's all how Harry has ever
wanted out of life is a nap, a sandwich and people who love him.
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And that's it. Yeah. Well, and when you think about it,
you know, it's the very thingsthat Harry didn't have in the first
book. He did not have aplace to sleep, that was he felt
like it was his own. He'ssleeping under the cover, and he was
not treated well and didn't have hedidn't have the best food. You know,
they gave him the leftover rs.You know, he wasn't he wasn't
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taking care of and now he's takingcare of everything for everyone else. Everybody
can live now, and now it'stime for him to be able to live,
like you said. And I thinkthere's a real beauty in that.
And I think that's what makes youknows. There's been discussions about the epilogue
in the book and everything, butI think that's what makes it so important,
is that we want to see thatall of this meant something in the
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sense that Harry now gets to livea life free from all of this.
There's freedom on the other side ofsalvation, right, and Harry has saved
not only himself but the entire WizardingWorld, and now he gets to live
in that freedom. And that's thebeautiful thing that's coming up in our next
(46:27):
episode. So and I hadn't evenmade the parallel to the to where we
started to where we ended, butyou're absolutely right. It is everything he
never had. He never had someoneto care for him. He never had
because creature is give him the locket. Creature's free right. A creature can
do whatever creature wants. But andthe fact the thought was, like,
I wonder if creature will bring mea sandwich, right, not can I
(46:52):
order him to write? Like willhe do that? I think it's it's
like you said, it's a bed, it's a house, it's a whole
home, it's a sandwich, rightLike it's it's control over his own destiny.
And you're right, You're absolutely right. It's everything he never had when
we started, and he never evencould have dreamed to have wanted. And
(47:13):
I love that. I love thatwe go from where it's like those memes
online, where we started where weare now. Right, it's a good
one, right where we started undera cabinet, to you know, where
I am now getting a sandwich inbed? Right, even if creature doesn't
bring it just having that sandwich inbed, Yeah, it sounds amazing.
(47:34):
UM, But I'm just I lovethat I hadn't even thought about that,
and that's exactly what it is.And I think it's just a perfect note
to end on Um, at leastfor the actual story before we do get
into the epilogue, which we'll talkabout in our next episode. But yeah,
I mean, there's so much thathappens in this chapter. It's one
of our longer episodes I'm noticing.But um, I think it's a beautiful
(47:59):
way for her to wrap up whatshe spent ten years writing. M probably
longer, I think, But yeah, it's a it's a big journey we've
been on, and I think thethe ending and how proud Dumbledore is and
he even says like, I neveryou know, that's absolutely what I would
(48:20):
do, And I'm not sure Ishouldn't be surprised that you're exactly who we
need, Um. But I dofeel like in this chapter I missed a
little bit of Ron Harrit and Hermione, like I want a little like in
the movie, we get a littlebit more closure with them. They throw
the wand off they break it inpieces and throw it off the every time
(48:45):
it's so stupid, which is totallynot right, But at least I feel
like we get there's a little bitmore of that closure between the three of
them. Um. I don't knowif it's because visually I'm getting it more
from the movie than I'm getting itfrom the story, but because we've been
on such a journey with the threeof them, I almost want that to
have tied up a little bit tighterthan we got in this chapter, which
(49:07):
maybe why I actually enjoy the epilogue. Yeah, I think I think you
know that because what it does isshe says, he tells her them the
story you know, of everything that'slike you know, and so you realize
that that's like a forty minute conversation, and so in the book it feels
(49:27):
like it's less time actually, eventhough it's actually more. And yeah,
I mean, I I don't wantto end on talking about how mad I
am at the movie for ending this, but this is fantastic and I just
I can't wait. You know,obviously we have the epilogue and then our
wrap up episode to be able totalk about this, but it has been,
you know, an incredible journey andyou know one to which you know,
(49:52):
I'm just reminded again how much Ilove this series and how important I
think it is and why I thinkit stands the test of time is that
you know, we'll get that.We'll get to that when we get to
a wrap up episode, because Idon't need to talk about that right now.
It's like, oh yeah, settleback, ye ye yo, put
your guns back, put it,put it back. It's not time to
(50:12):
shoot those Nope, Cork and theSouth. But Dreya, before I just
let it all go, where caneverybody find you before Matt has this else
a moment? Yeah? Um,you can find me on Twitter at pcf
check or on Instagram at Dreya Kaufmanand it's c F M A N.
And you could find me all oversocial media. Matt Rushing zero two.
(50:36):
Just search for that. You canfind me here on the network doing aggressive
negotiations with John Mills as we're talkingabout Star Wars. It's so much fun
overall in the TFM network doing abunch of shows. One is The six
O two Club, which is ourgeneral geat show where we talk about all
of the fandoms we love in thatsame feed You can find John Mills and
I doing Snyder cuts. We've beentalking through everything Zack Snyder's directed. You
(50:59):
can also find me doing the ORBand literary tracks. The ORB is about
Star Trek Deep Space nine, andliterary tracks is about the books and the
comics of Star Trek. But thankyou so much for checking your outpost.
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