May 4, 2021 • 37 mins
The End.
In this episode of Owl Post: A Harry Potter Podcast hosts Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing discuss some listener emails, answer the questions that have swirled around as to what is next and look at what has made Harry Potter stand the test of time.
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In this episode of Owl Post: A Harry Potter Podcast hosts Andrea Coffman and Matthew Rushing discuss some listener emails, answer the questions that have swirled around as to what is next and look at what has made Harry Potter stand the test of time.
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Welcome to the Nude Paul Team.Ah Miles hand your owl post for the
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week is freshly delivered for the verylast time. And I am just one
of the hosts here Matthew rushing auntwith me as she has been every single
week, the wonderfully brilliant Drea Kaufman. Oh, I'm trying not to cry.
It is very exciting but very emotional. Yeah, I mean, it's
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it's it's hard to have wrapped upthe series, you know, and I'm
like, oh man, but youknow, it is exciting and it's a
it's one of those things where likeit just feels like an accomplishment because you
know, we've reached the end.So really, you know, excited that
we did it. Like, that'sso crazy that we did it. So
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jas yesterday you were like, Ihave this crazy idea hear me out.
Yeah, well I am. Wedo have a few things that we want
to do today. Um uh.One is we've gotten some like emails from
people that we wanted to touch onand talk about, you know, some
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questions that they had, So we'regoing to start with that first. And
so we got an email from akill and they said that hey, Matt
Andrea, it was a journey.I joined you when you were almost starting
book seven, and it was amarathon for me to catch. But oh
my god, Janas style, theysaid, so it would be like,
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oh my god, dan La,it was a honey proud to be a
pot ahead now so I don't knowwhy I keep ready reading it as Janus,
but they said a small request andalmost at the end, please start
a new journey, maybe the Hobbitor Lord of the Rings or anything else.
Let's just not this, stop thisbeautiful habit between us reading and waiting
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for you guys to interpret and discussour reading a proud Slytherin. Well,
we will answer the question about ifwe have anything coming up next, but
we just wanted to say thank youso much. It's so cool that like
people have found us on this journey, like at all different points. So
no, I love that they admittedto being a slyther end. I think
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that's amazing. Yes, I knowwe've talked about it throughout this So there's
no bad house, right, There'sjust certain personality types inclined to certain others.
So oh, I'm not Slytherines.I have a good friend whose son
is a Slytherin and like, justlean into it. I love it,
keep keep on keeping on. Yeah, it's very cool. So uh and
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uh, you know, we appreciateyou writing in and you know it means
a lot to us that people dowrite in and um, you know have
have spent their time writing in hand giving us questions or just telling us
that they think we're doing a greatjob, which you know, for any
podcast or just FYI, for anyof the podcasts you listen to, people
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like hearing that. So you know, if you have other podcasts you listen
to or like, you know,let them know if you like what they
do, UM, support them.You know that it's about talking to the
ether every week. It's nice toknow there's someone on the other end of
it, right and that they likeor have thoughts on what you're sharing.
Yeah, for sure. So um, we have another email here from Jenny
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Um. She said, hello fromAustralia. I'd just like to thank you
for the hours of entertainment, enjoymentand listening to your podcast is giving me.
I discovered you back in twenty nineteenand began yet another series reread while
listening along with the podcast. It'sdefinitely been and hard to read through the
books slowly to make sure I neverran out of podcast episodes to listen to.
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I can't believe we've reached the end. I love the discussions between the
two hosts, and it made forsuch a richer experience. Despite having reread
the series multiple times, there werestill a lot of things that I'd never
thought of or realized. Thank youfor making my favorite series even better.
I'm already looking forward to rereading thebooks and listening to the podcast again,
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which Wow. Like the fact thatwe could like bring new ideas to anybody
when it came to Harry Potter,I think is really cool. So that
is something that for me has meanta lot. Hearing from Harry Potter fans
who you know. Of course,many of you guys have read the series
as many times as Drea and Idid, maybe even more. Definitely I
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agree. I also love how muchthat really speaks to bringing different voices and
exposing yourself to new things, evenif it's familiar. Right, Like you
learn, you can continue to learn. There's always more opportunity to grow and
to think of things from a differentperspective, right, And that's part of
why I love doing this with you, Matt, is that you and I
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come from different worlds, different backgrounds, have different beliefs and perspectives, and
so being able to bring both tothe table and challenge each other to think
was probably my favorite part of thelast four plus years. Yea. So
on top of that, thank you. Yeah, absolutely, I think it's
been excellent. The fact that wedon't always see eye to eye on things
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and that makes for an interesting podcastand discussion about something as big and cool
as Harry Potter. And so wegot an email to hear from Danny and
she said, Hey, Matt Andrea, I know that you have now finished
reading the series, and I'm sosad to be so far behind, but
I wanted to say hey, andthat I wish I was reading with you
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from the beginning. I grew upsimilar to you, reading the books out
loud with my mom at night whenI was eight years old when they came
out, and have the books andloop ever since. It was so awesome
to read them with you, andI feel like I'm discussing them with friends
on a different level. I'm nowup to the Firebolt on POA and found
your podcast a few weeks ago listenedon the way to work and before bed
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she she did hashtag mom life,which of course you know all about that.
Yeah, what up? And soshe just wanted to say thank you
for this intellectual adult chat about herfavorite topic. She said, I am
from Australia, so we get theEnglish British version of the book. So
it is cool seeing the differences thatthere are, and we talked a little
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bit about those specifically at the beginning. I have the digital English versions British
versions as well as I have thephysical copies of those two, and those
are the only ones I read anymore. So there aren't as many differences as
you get later in the series.Yeah, so they're super apparent, especially
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by title at the very beginning.Well yeah, but yeah, it's ours
to Taper office, you go.She did say, I've been wondering in
the Chamber of sequence, when Luciusis confronted about dropping the book into Jenny's
bucket, it makes me wonder wasit ever explained how or why he did
that, Like, was he approachedby the Dark Lord to do this?
Do we ever have an actual understandingof what the book was? I know
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was explained that Malthoy and the otherpure Blood films wanted the Chamber to remain
opened d the world of muggle bornsand half bloods. But what are your
thoughts? I may have missed somethinghere, guessing you're busy hoping you get
a chance to reply, Danny.Well, we're going to reply right now,
Danny. And from what I remember, Drea, is that Malfoy did
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not know what the book was.But if you remember, in that book,
the Ministry has been doing raids ofdifferent houses, and one of the
reasons that Malfoy was selling things atin Diagon Alley at Nocturne was the fact
that he was worried that the Ministrymight come and some of the things would
be embarrassing for him to run into. And it's also said later, I
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think even by Albus Dumbledore to Harry, which is, you know, there's
no way that Lucius would have giventhis book away if he had an idea
what it was, which was awar crux, and so he's literally just
trying to get rid of it.And if Jenny gets caught with it,
of course and they find out whatit is, that the fact that it
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you know, been belonged to TomRiddle with aka Voldemort, that would of
course get the Weasleys in trouble asa family. So really he's just being
a total jerk and trying to helphimself out by not getting caught with something
that could be seen as incredibly dangerous. But he doesn't have any idea as
to what it is. Yeah,I think, you know, we come
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to learn that obviously, that's thebig thing of the chapter. I like,
that's how they get the chamber open, But I don't think he equated
opening the chamber to that book.And yeah, to your point, it
was back when he was trying torid any dark magic artifacts from his home,
and he probably only knew where itcame from, like he only knew
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it was something of Valdemort's, whichat this point we also don't know for
a fact that Valdemort's back, right, Like he hasn't really confirmed that yet.
We are what two bucks early onthat, And so he probably just
thinks Baltimore's gone. I know it'sa dark artifact of no idea what it
is or how it works. Ijust don't want to get caught with it.
(09:33):
And yeah, and probably is lookingto offload it at Borgan and Barks
and either can't or sees the opportunityat that moment, right with Jinny and
her bag, and he's like,well, I'll just dump it there and
we'll two for one. I won'tget in trouble and Arthur Weasley will you
know, I'll tarnish his rep andhe'll have to stand for it, you
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know. And they all hated himsince he was such a goody goody boy
scout. You know, this wasan opportunity to knock him down to peck.
So I think it was kind ofall of the above there um.
But yeah, no, I agreewith your assessment, Matt. Yeah,
yeah, I think it's a Itis really interesting. So and it just
goes to show, I mean,how many of these things, like even
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his selfishness and jerkiness, end upworking out for the betterment of everyone,
because you know, we end updestroying a rock exactly. They didn't even
know it and ima, yep,yep, total accident. So uh.
Joanna wrote us in and she said, I just found you on Spotify this
week and you are keeping me companywhile working. Thank you. Love from
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Portugal, and I have to say, you know, it's been so cool,
Drea, just the amount of peoplewho found us from like all over
the world has been really neat,and so I feel like I have friends
now all over the world. Andthat's just really the one lady who offered
for you to come stay with herin Australia, if you I know,
I know, I totally feel likewe need to take her up on that
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because I've always wanted to go toAustralia, so I know I might I
might need to prioritize New Zealand.So if anyone out there is New Zealand,
I feel like I need to doa Lord of the Rings walk kind
of an earlier callback to the question, but I feel like I need to
go to the Shire before I goto go to like Sydney or something.
I one hundred percent agree with you. So if we do have any fans
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that are listening to us listeners fromNew Zealand, and you don't mind hosting
Dreya and I, we would definitelycome into a Harry Potter pilgrimage to then
enjoy some Hobbit Pilbridge midges. Soyeah, that would be cool. Have
also met nerds status here, guys, Yeah, exactly. So we have
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had the question a million times Dreyaas to what we're going to do next,
and so I think maybe it's kindof time for us to answer that
question as to what we will bedoing in the future. So one we've
gotten the question of whether or notwe would cover like the Curse Child,
or maybe the movies, or maybeeven just the screenplays for you know,
(12:09):
the Fantastic Beast series, and soI'm what do you think so for me
the Curse Child. So we'll tacklethese one by one. Right, The
movies are the easiest one. We'vedone them. They're over all the six
o two club. We've done allthe Harry Potters episodes one oh eight and
two oh eight, or actually themovies for the Fantastic Bat series. So
(12:33):
you know, I'm gonna say we'vedone Fantastic Beasts and we'll do the next
one it comes out. I actuallythink I'm on all of the Harry Potters
with you. If not, it'sit's close. But all of the movies
have been done by us at least. Fantastic Beasts is so with this.
So the book itself is just likeit's like an encyclopedia if you've read it,
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the biography of all these different animals. So it doesn't really make for
interesting radio. And then when weget into the screenplays of both Fantastic Beasts
and The Curse Child, the screenplayis the movie. So I don't feel
like we need to do the FantasticBeast screenplay he's shaking his head in agreement.
(13:18):
And the Curse Child, Yeah,that makes for great radio to me,
you're shaking my head, yeah,and the Curse Child. So I
actually have not read The Curse Child. I've read bits of it, I've
read reviews of it, but myunderstanding is it's going to ruin everything I
know and love about the Harry Potterworld. So I don't want to see
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it. And in addition, Ifeel like content of that sort, when
you have a screenplay, it's meantto be seen, it's meant to be
experienced. It's meant to be aplay that you live through. And I
would rather do a record of seeingthe play if they kind of like put
it on Disney Plus or something likethat, like they did with Hamilton.
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But I don't want to read thebook and give a review of the book.
Yeah, I mean I So.One of the things with The Church
Child is is obviously it's a screenplay, and so Therefore, to break it
up the way that we do nowwouldn't necessarily really work because you know,
this is made easy with a bookwhere you have specific chapters you can talk
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through the way we did, andyou have to acts, yeah, or
scenes or whatever, and it justit doesn't quite work the same. And
so, um, you know,I've read it and it was fine.
Um, but I think it wouldbe much more interesting to actually see it
because it's meant to be seen.It's a play. It's meant to be
experienced in the same way that honestlya movie is meant to be experienced in
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the theater or you know, atyour home, mine objector in your backyard.
Yeah, yeah, I mean experienceit visually, not writing. Yeah,
absolutely, And so I think allof those things, you know,
those don't really fit, um,what we did here now as per,
like, would we do another serieslike um, you know, Lord of
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the Rings or something like that.You know, I think all of those
things could be open and possibly oneday in the future. Um, but
as per just starting it right now, it's it's not going to be something
we would do, I would say, obviously, doing like The Hobbit or
and Lord of the Rings together.That is an incredibly massive undertaking compare it
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is a lot of work, andas much as we've loved doing this,
it's you know, for me,Um, I'm I'm definitely excited that we
did something that had a specific runand it allows us to be able to
be done and to move on anddo other things. So we'll definitely be
covering with the Fantastic Beast movies asthey come out on the six two clubs.
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You can find all of our HarryPotter episodes there, like you said,
or are Fantastic Beast conversations there aswell. And if course Child does
become something we can conview right,then that's definitely something we would probably put
out on six o two club aswell and watch um that way, and
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so that that is where you wouldfind, yes, if if that became
an option in the future, Yes, and you know, I think,
um yeah, who knows what podcastingwise will come in the future. We
don't know, um, But youknow, one of the things that I
think is we wrapped up the seriesand I wanted to ask you a question
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which I think is really interesting becauseI don't know if a lot of people
thought that Harry Potter would kind ofstand the test of time, and so
far it really as and obviously youknow personally having just been to Harry Potter
World and Orlando, it's huge andpeople love it and they're spending tons of
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money on it. Still people arestill reading the books, still finding the
books now and it's still a thirdcommercial up on Peacock whenever you exactly extream
service, Yeah exactly. So whydo you think that Harry Potter has stood
the test of time? Oh,that's a great question. I think there's
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a handful of elements to it thatkind of gave it the cocktail for success.
One is I think that it's fairlytimeless, right, It didn't get
a lot of There's not a lotof elements to it that date it.
Like when you watch some movies,I look at the costumes or the hair
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or even like I'll see someone usea own and I can kind of instantly
date where that's from. And justbased on the way this is created,
you don't really get that, right. So even though the first movie is
what now twenty years old something likethat, you don't even reading the book
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or watching the movie, like youdon't feel like it's twenty years old right,
like there's there's let's be fair,there are elements some of the CGI
and the third one is a littlebit rough, But for the most part,
we're not talking about trying to rewatchsomething like Bill and Ted's where I'm
instantly like this is enough, notyou know, or the Never Ending Story,
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which I tried to watch in mythirties and I was like nope,
Um. I think that's one bigpart. I think the stories themselves are
They're rooted in things that are kindof universal and aren't dated as well.
Right. We talk a lot alot through the last one hundred and ninety
nine episodes about how even today,during the pandemic, that nobody could have
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seen coming. There are elements andthemes within these books we relate to on
a daily basis, and that alone, I think makes it, you know,
timeless, and until the world correctsall of those problems, I think
they're going to continue to be relatable. And I don't think we're going to
solve the problem with media and theproblem with fanaticism and things like that quickly
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or even potentially ever. I don'tmean to be such a pessimist here,
but I think the themes are timeless, and I think that keeps it to
it. And I think this ideathat there's hope and that great things can
come from anywhere, from anyone isinspirational, and we want to feel empowered.
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We want to feel like we couldbe Harry, or we could be
wrong, or we could be Dumbledore. Right. I think there's so many
different characters, Like I related somuch to Hermione when I was younger,
and now I'm more relating to youknow, maybe a Dumbledore character. But
I think there's so much to thatthat you can take away something different at
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every stage that you read it,too. So I think that's probably the
big pieces that stand out to me. What about you, anything I missed
or anything you have for thoughts onit? Plus everyone loves magic. Who
doesn't loves magic? Yeah? Youknow, I think one of the things
that you touched on that is reallyimportant. And the reason I think of
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it, Harry Potter lasts is becausethe themes in it are timeless. And
one of the things that Rowling reallydid well, which was to keep from
tying the series too specifically to anypoint. I know, you know obviously
it is. I mean you thereis a timeline, right, for when
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this is supposed to have kind ofhappened within the real world, right,
but um, but it's not sothat you're tied to it, right right,
right? Yeah. Um. Oneof the things that she really did
which really helped was the fact thatshe kind of said this before you know,
the digital craze of the world.So this feels again, very timeless
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in some ways. It's kind ofthe thing that, Um, I'm going
to use this as an example.I hate the movie Hook. I hate
the movie Hook because what it doesis that it takes never Land and turns
it into a very eighties centric,like an early nineties like place. And
the thing about Neverland was that itwas timeless. It was this thing that
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where you would go there and therewas nothing that was really tying it to
anything. It was very classic things, um, you know, pirates and
Indians and all of these things thatwhich there isn't a specific time frame for.
You know, Again, it justfeels timeless. And I think one
of the things that Rowling does sowell is that she makes Harry Potter feel
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timeless. You could pick the booksup and you can imagine that it's taking
place now and there's never really anythingthat kind of pulls you out and makes
you think, oh wow, that, you know, just throws me back
to the nineties, you know,And I think that's really smart. But
I also think that the thing thatalso makes this last is that thematically,
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she is touching on things to whichare historically understood, you know, the
themes of good and evil that shehits on, the way in which you
know, governments either rise or fall, the way in which the media interacts
with those governments and the people,and all of the things that we've talked
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about for you know, one hundredand ninety nine episodes. All of those
thematic elements are something to which wecontinue to have as a species, have
a problem with. And she writesthat in a way that helps us see
our faults and our victories, anddoes it in a way that always feels
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applicable. I can read it,and I did read it, you know,
twenty years ago, the same withthe same level of applicability of the
themes as I do now. Now. How it applies specifically to the time
period may change and will change overtime, but I think that the themes
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are so timeless that they will continueto resonate for generations. To come in
the same way that people still readThe Hobbit and Lord of the Rings and
the Chronicles of Narnia and all ofthese types of books which people can still
get things out done. Is anotherone, you know, where you know,
these great books stay with us becausepeople have tapped into something so primordial
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to who we are thematically that wedon't ever feel lost or like they're not
relevant anymore. They continue to stayrelevant well, And I think to your
earlier point about actually remaining timeless,I think when you enter in I think
this is the thing too. Itwas human enough, but it entered enough
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into the fantasy realm. I alsodid not find myself going, well,
if they had a cell phone,this wouldn't have happened, right like you,
It's enough of a different world thatlike, I don't feel like I
need to equate it to the moreto the real world, if that makes
any sense, right Like? Whereaswhen I watch Stranger Things, I'm like,
if they had cell phones like Iwould, my kids wouldn't be wondering
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alone in the middle of the night, right twelve or whatever, right like.
But at the same time time,I don't have the urge to do
that with Harry Potter, and Ithink it's because we're straight up in a
fantasy land versus a weird fantasy eventhappening in the real world. Right,
She's created enough of an actual,separate universe that I'm not trying to pull
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in those elements that would kind ofbreak that wall down and break apart the
world she's created either. So Ithink somehow she managed that fine light.
It's the same with like your point, Lord of the Rings in the Hobbit,
I don't go like, well,when cell phones were invented, right,
or like the GPS in their car, right, Like, you don't
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think about those things because she givesyou enough other things in her world that
you aren't wanting them, Like,it's not a gap or a hole you
feel does need to fill. Well, And I would say that the best
part about the series is that it'sfun and it reminds us of the best
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of ourselves, which is friends andfamily. You know, it reminds us
of the things that were really important, which is that we're defined by our
choices. We're not defined by wherewe're born, or who our parents are
or any of those things. We'redefined by the choices that we make.
And those are the things to whichwe define ourselves then as well as others
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can define us. And and thatwe have a choice to always be better
than our parents. I think that'sone you know, the last chapter,
the epilogue, where we see Malfoy, right, Malfoy has made a choice.
Draco has made a choice to benot his parents, right. And
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yes, he's still probably a bit, as we said, hoity toity,
but he's chosen to not be likehis parents, which is so sold out
to this this ideology of pure bloodsand that that's what matters and all those
things. He's probably still got someserious prejudices to him, but he has
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made the choice to be different.We see that by the end. In
fact, even his parents make thechoice to be different. By the end
of the series, right, they'remore worried about whether their son it is
alive than they are about the cause. So, you know, I think
that this is a beautiful thing,like it's never too late for you and
for anyone to make the choice tobe different. It's never too late for
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forgiveness, and it's never too latefor redemption. And I think that's one
of the things that we see inher series and I the reason I think
It's continues to be so important it'sbecause, I would say, in many
ways, our society is starting tolose some of that. And Harry Potter
reminds us, no, it's redemptionis possible, forgiveness should be possible,
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and absolutely is on thousand and onethousand percent. And I also think she
gives our characters permission to not beperfect, right, Like every character has
some sort of flaw or makes somesort of choice, right, And that
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even I mean, you could evenargue Baltimore, You could even argue Umbridge,
which I think of are the twoworst characters. There are basically no
characters that are wholly evil, right, we can. She spent an entire
like a couple of chapters explaining toyou how Baltimore became who he is.
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Right, he wasn't born this antichrist. Right, it's a series of events
and actions and things that he waspredisposed and like there's just all these things
that build, right. I thinkshe really truly does give you permission to
make a different choice and to showup in a different way tomorrow than you
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did yesterday. And that it's okay, right, you shouldn't give up on
being a better person or being agoodish person because you haven't been so far.
Right, it's not a lost cause. You can always keep trying and
just know that the choices you've madein your past will impact your future.
You're never going to completely get awayfrom them. But you can always be
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better than anywhere yesterday. And that'sokay. And you know you should be
welcomed for the choices you're making nowand the actions you are continuing to take,
not your past right well, andthen in the end too, I
think what does it say to usis that this story shows us that people
should not be continually defined by themistakes they've made in the past, but
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by the actions that they take inthe here and now. And you know,
that's one one of the things thatwhen you when you get to the
end and you have that utter realizationof who Snape is. He's the ultimate
example of this, right, Andpart of that is that Snape also kept
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hidden the very essence of who hetruly was. Right. He continued to
portray himself as being a turd toeveryone, and yet he was not right.
And I think the thing about thestory is it does help us to
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see the complexity and the nuance ofwho people are, and you can go
down the road to choose to bethe ultimate villain. You know, Gouldemart
makes that choice, Belatrix makes thatchoice, many of the other death eaters
make that choice, right, Butthey've made the choice. They've chosen evil
over good. And then there aresome of those characters that are more in
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the middle. And then you havethe more i would say, quote unquote
kind of righteous characters like Harry,right, but in the end they still
make the choice to be like that. And then you saw and there was
a whole book or several chapters ofa book when we talk about what the
fifth one half flood of prints andthe fact that lupid and serious and James
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made terrible decisions in their teenagers.They bullied, they ran away, they
broke the rules, right, theykind of got a little bit of a
cocky attitude to them. Right,They weren't perfect people, but ultimately they
become sort of our heroes, right, at least to an extent. So
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I think that it's just evidence ofthat on the opposite side too, right,
Like, they made some poor choicesas a teenager, but when the
important choices came along, they decideddifference in snape and that's almost identical paths
that converged based on sort of onekey decision, right, And so I
think it shows so much how youcan be flawed but still good. Yeah,
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I mean, I um, Icouldn't agree more. And I think
you know, the series is obviouslysomething that from for me personally and I
know for you it's definitely special andit's one of the reasons that wanted to
do the podcast and to be ableto talk about it, because I do
think that Harry Potter is a seriesthat is going to continue to last and
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for all of the reasons which wejust discussed, and it's exciting to have
been a part of that in anyway, shape and form, for people
to be able to now continue tolisten to. As you know, the
best part about this podcast, exceptfor the fact that Drea's lives at those
and i've's wives at those points willbe forever in audio, Drea is not
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eternally pregnant. Guys, um,but soccer please not That sounds like my
word nightmare. Every woman's words nightmare, right, Like, definitely one of
them for sure, probably, ButI think it is that you know,
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people, you can always go backto listen to this for every chapter,
you know, and every time youreread it, you can always go back
and listen to what we had tosay. And it's a lot of fun
and people can continue to, youknow, enjoy the podcast for years to
come as they find the series,you know, as new kids find the
series. I think that's really neat. So I'm super excited for that to
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happen. And I'm super excited thatpeople joined us, you know, on
this journey in the first place.So, you know, before we wrap
up, I just want to saythank you. Thank you for joining us
on the journey and for supporting uslike you did. You made this,
you know, one of the bestpodcasting experiences is that I've ever had,
and I've been podcasting for like almostten years. So thank you so much.
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Yeah, I'll echo that. Imean, I was always touched when
people would take the time to reachout and send an email or contact us
on Instagram or Twitter or any ofthe above. Um, you know,
we share the amazing gift we gotlast week or last episode. I guess
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I agree. It's it's been anhonor to be able to share our thoughts
and experience with this, this thingthat means so much to so many people.
And have you guys continue to listen, especially the one who said they're
going to re listen, like blessyour heart. But yeah, it's it's
been a pleasure and I couldn't haveasked for a better partner in crime here
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or partner in mischief, and youknow, the opportunity to just share something
that does mean so much to me. I agree, and keep them coming
right. We might not be recordingthings live anymore and might not be able
to share your thoughts or feelings,but you know, we may not remember
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what we said three years ago.Would have to go back, and we
can't let ourselves. But yeah,there's so much here to it, and
you know, not having anything queuedup after has nothing to do with the
audience or not loving this or notloving the experience. We just have other
things ahead of us for now.And you know this isn't the last she'll
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see us together. I'm sure.I'm sure I'll be back on track FM
at some point or on the sixor two club. So yeah, thank
you all for coming on the journeywith us. For sure. That's a
very long winded way of saying that. No, I mean, I couldn't
agree more so, you know withthat Drea obviously last time for the show.
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So people do want to keep trackof you and catch up with all
the things that you do have goingon. Where can they find you?
Yep, you can find me onat PCF check more often, you'll find
me on Instagram at Dreya Coffin andit's c F F A N. And
of course you can find me allover the place Matt Rushing zero two on
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most of the social media platforms outthere. That's where you can find me.
So yeah, definitely follow me,you know if you want to keep
up with what I've got going on. Of course, still doing aggressive negotiations
here on the network with John Millsas each and every week we're talking about
Star Wars, and then you canfind me over on the TFM network.
Is Andre and I've been talking aboutsix or two Club. We're talking about
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all of the fantoms we love.Again, we have talked about every single
Harry Potter movie there and we've alsotalked about the Fantastic B series plus all
the other things we love in fandom. There's just so much stuff to be
able to talk about, so hopeyou'll check that out. Of course,
doing Snyder cuts over there as wellwith John Mills, as we had talked
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through everything Zack Snyder's directed, doingliterary tracks in the ORB too. Literary
checks is about the books and thecomics of Star Trek. And then of
course you could also find me onthe ORB with Chris Jones talking about Star
Trek Peace Bay sign. So thankyou though for always checking your outpost.
And for the final time, Mischiefmanaged join the revolution, join the Nerd Party.
Welcome to the Nude Paul Team.Ah Miles hand your owl post for the
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week is freshly delivered for the verylast time. And I am just one
of the hosts here Matthew rushing auntwith me as she has been every single
week, the wonderfully brilliant Drea Kaufman. Oh, I'm trying not to cry.
It is very exciting but very emotional. Yeah, I mean, it's
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it's it's hard to have wrapped upthe series, you know, and I'm
like, oh man, but youknow, it is exciting and it's a
it's one of those things where likeit just feels like an accomplishment because you
know, we've reached the end.So really, you know, excited that
we did it. Like, that'sso crazy that we did it. So
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jas yesterday you were like, Ihave this crazy idea hear me out.
Yeah, well I am. Wedo have a few things that we want
to do today. Um uh.One is we've gotten some like emails from
people that we wanted to touch onand talk about, you know, some
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questions that they had, So we'regoing to start with that first. And
so we got an email from akill and they said that hey, Matt
Andrea, it was a journey.I joined you when you were almost starting
book seven, and it was amarathon for me to catch. But oh
my god, Janas style, theysaid, so it would be like,
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oh my god, dan La,it was a honey proud to be a
pot ahead now so I don't knowwhy I keep ready reading it as Janus,
but they said a small request andalmost at the end, please start
a new journey, maybe the Hobbitor Lord of the Rings or anything else.
Let's just not this, stop thisbeautiful habit between us reading and waiting
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for you guys to interpret and discussour reading a proud Slytherin. Well,
we will answer the question about ifwe have anything coming up next, but
we just wanted to say thank youso much. It's so cool that like
people have found us on this journey, like at all different points. So
no, I love that they admittedto being a slyther end. I think
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that's amazing. Yes, I knowwe've talked about it throughout this So there's
no bad house, right, There'sjust certain personality types inclined to certain others.
So oh, I'm not Slytherines.I have a good friend whose son
is a Slytherin and like, justlean into it. I love it,
keep keep on keeping on. Yeah, it's very cool. So uh and
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uh, you know, we appreciateyou writing in and you know it means
a lot to us that people dowrite in and um, you know have
have spent their time writing in hand giving us questions or just telling us
that they think we're doing a greatjob, which you know, for any
podcast or just FYI, for anyof the podcasts you listen to, people
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like hearing that. So you know, if you have other podcasts you listen
to or like, you know,let them know if you like what they
do, UM, support them.You know that it's about talking to the
ether every week. It's nice toknow there's someone on the other end of
it, right and that they likeor have thoughts on what you're sharing.
Yeah, for sure. So um, we have another email here from Jenny
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Um. She said, hello fromAustralia. I'd just like to thank you
for the hours of entertainment, enjoymentand listening to your podcast is giving me.
I discovered you back in twenty nineteenand began yet another series reread while
listening along with the podcast. It'sdefinitely been and hard to read through the
books slowly to make sure I neverran out of podcast episodes to listen to.
(04:05):
I can't believe we've reached the end. I love the discussions between the
two hosts, and it made forsuch a richer experience. Despite having reread
the series multiple times, there werestill a lot of things that I'd never
thought of or realized. Thank youfor making my favorite series even better.
I'm already looking forward to rereading thebooks and listening to the podcast again,
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which Wow. Like the fact thatwe could like bring new ideas to anybody
when it came to Harry Potter,I think is really cool. So that
is something that for me has meanta lot. Hearing from Harry Potter fans
who you know. Of course,many of you guys have read the series
as many times as Drea and Idid, maybe even more. Definitely I
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agree. I also love how muchthat really speaks to bringing different voices and
exposing yourself to new things, evenif it's familiar. Right, Like you
learn, you can continue to learn. There's always more opportunity to grow and
to think of things from a differentperspective, right, And that's part of
why I love doing this with you, Matt, is that you and I
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come from different worlds, different backgrounds, have different beliefs and perspectives, and
so being able to bring both tothe table and challenge each other to think
was probably my favorite part of thelast four plus years. Yea. So
on top of that, thank you. Yeah, absolutely, I think it's
been excellent. The fact that wedon't always see eye to eye on things
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and that makes for an interesting podcastand discussion about something as big and cool
as Harry Potter. And so wegot an email to hear from Danny and
she said, Hey, Matt Andrea, I know that you have now finished
reading the series, and I'm sosad to be so far behind, but
I wanted to say hey, andthat I wish I was reading with you
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from the beginning. I grew upsimilar to you, reading the books out
loud with my mom at night whenI was eight years old when they came
out, and have the books andloop ever since. It was so awesome
to read them with you, andI feel like I'm discussing them with friends
on a different level. I'm nowup to the Firebolt on POA and found
your podcast a few weeks ago listenedon the way to work and before bed
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she she did hashtag mom life,which of course you know all about that.
Yeah, what up? And soshe just wanted to say thank you
for this intellectual adult chat about herfavorite topic. She said, I am
from Australia, so we get theEnglish British version of the book. So
it is cool seeing the differences thatthere are, and we talked a little
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bit about those specifically at the beginning. I have the digital English versions British
versions as well as I have thephysical copies of those two, and those
are the only ones I read anymore. So there aren't as many differences as
you get later in the series.Yeah, so they're super apparent, especially
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by title at the very beginning.Well yeah, but yeah, it's ours
to Taper office, you go.She did say, I've been wondering in
the Chamber of sequence, when Luciusis confronted about dropping the book into Jenny's
bucket, it makes me wonder wasit ever explained how or why he did
that, Like, was he approachedby the Dark Lord to do this?
Do we ever have an actual understandingof what the book was? I know
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was explained that Malthoy and the otherpure Blood films wanted the Chamber to remain
opened d the world of muggle bornsand half bloods. But what are your
thoughts? I may have missed somethinghere, guessing you're busy hoping you get
a chance to reply, Danny.Well, we're going to reply right now,
Danny. And from what I remember, Drea, is that Malfoy did
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not know what the book was.But if you remember, in that book,
the Ministry has been doing raids ofdifferent houses, and one of the
reasons that Malfoy was selling things atin Diagon Alley at Nocturne was the fact
that he was worried that the Ministrymight come and some of the things would
be embarrassing for him to run into. And it's also said later, I
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think even by Albus Dumbledore to Harry, which is, you know, there's
no way that Lucius would have giventhis book away if he had an idea
what it was, which was awar crux, and so he's literally just
trying to get rid of it.And if Jenny gets caught with it,
of course and they find out whatit is, that the fact that it
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you know, been belonged to TomRiddle with aka Voldemort, that would of
course get the Weasleys in trouble asa family. So really he's just being
a total jerk and trying to helphimself out by not getting caught with something
that could be seen as incredibly dangerous. But he doesn't have any idea as
to what it is. Yeah,I think, you know, we come
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to learn that obviously, that's thebig thing of the chapter. I like,
that's how they get the chamber open, But I don't think he equated
opening the chamber to that book.And yeah, to your point, it
was back when he was trying torid any dark magic artifacts from his home,
and he probably only knew where itcame from, like he only knew
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it was something of Valdemort's, whichat this point we also don't know for
a fact that Valdemort's back, right, Like he hasn't really confirmed that yet.
We are what two bucks early onthat, And so he probably just
thinks Baltimore's gone. I know it'sa dark artifact of no idea what it
is or how it works. Ijust don't want to get caught with it.
(09:33):
And yeah, and probably is lookingto offload it at Borgan and Barks
and either can't or sees the opportunityat that moment, right with Jinny and
her bag, and he's like,well, I'll just dump it there and
we'll two for one. I won'tget in trouble and Arthur Weasley will you
know, I'll tarnish his rep andhe'll have to stand for it, you
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know. And they all hated himsince he was such a goody goody boy
scout. You know, this wasan opportunity to knock him down to peck.
So I think it was kind ofall of the above there um.
But yeah, no, I agreewith your assessment, Matt. Yeah,
yeah, I think it's a Itis really interesting. So and it just
goes to show, I mean,how many of these things, like even
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his selfishness and jerkiness, end upworking out for the betterment of everyone,
because you know, we end updestroying a rock exactly. They didn't even
know it and ima, yep,yep, total accident. So uh.
Joanna wrote us in and she said, I just found you on Spotify this
week and you are keeping me companywhile working. Thank you. Love from
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Portugal, and I have to say, you know, it's been so cool,
Drea, just the amount of peoplewho found us from like all over
the world has been really neat,and so I feel like I have friends
now all over the world. Andthat's just really the one lady who offered
for you to come stay with herin Australia, if you I know,
I know, I totally feel likewe need to take her up on that
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because I've always wanted to go toAustralia, so I know I might I
might need to prioritize New Zealand.So if anyone out there is New Zealand,
I feel like I need to doa Lord of the Rings walk kind
of an earlier callback to the question, but I feel like I need to
go to the Shire before I goto go to like Sydney or something.
I one hundred percent agree with you. So if we do have any fans
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that are listening to us listeners fromNew Zealand, and you don't mind hosting
Dreya and I, we would definitelycome into a Harry Potter pilgrimage to then
enjoy some Hobbit Pilbridge midges. Soyeah, that would be cool. Have
also met nerds status here, guys, Yeah, exactly. So we have
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had the question a million times Dreyaas to what we're going to do next,
and so I think maybe it's kindof time for us to answer that
question as to what we will bedoing in the future. So one we've
gotten the question of whether or notwe would cover like the Curse Child,
or maybe the movies, or maybeeven just the screenplays for you know,
(12:09):
the Fantastic Beast series, and soI'm what do you think so for me
the Curse Child. So we'll tacklethese one by one. Right, The
movies are the easiest one. We'vedone them. They're over all the six
o two club. We've done allthe Harry Potters episodes one oh eight and
two oh eight, or actually themovies for the Fantastic Bat series. So
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you know, I'm gonna say we'vedone Fantastic Beasts and we'll do the next
one it comes out. I actuallythink I'm on all of the Harry Potters
with you. If not, it'sit's close. But all of the movies
have been done by us at least. Fantastic Beasts is so with this.
So the book itself is just likeit's like an encyclopedia if you've read it,
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the biography of all these different animals. So it doesn't really make for
interesting radio. And then when weget into the screenplays of both Fantastic Beasts
and The Curse Child, the screenplayis the movie. So I don't feel
like we need to do the FantasticBeast screenplay he's shaking his head in agreement.
(13:18):
And the Curse Child, Yeah,that makes for great radio to me,
you're shaking my head, yeah,and the Curse Child. So I
actually have not read The Curse Child. I've read bits of it, I've
read reviews of it, but myunderstanding is it's going to ruin everything I
know and love about the Harry Potterworld. So I don't want to see
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it. And in addition, Ifeel like content of that sort, when
you have a screenplay, it's meantto be seen, it's meant to be
experienced. It's meant to be aplay that you live through. And I
would rather do a record of seeingthe play if they kind of like put
it on Disney Plus or something likethat, like they did with Hamilton.
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But I don't want to read thebook and give a review of the book.
Yeah, I mean I So.One of the things with The Church
Child is is obviously it's a screenplay, and so Therefore, to break it
up the way that we do nowwouldn't necessarily really work because you know,
this is made easy with a bookwhere you have specific chapters you can talk
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through the way we did, andyou have to acts, yeah, or
scenes or whatever, and it justit doesn't quite work the same. And
so, um, you know,I've read it and it was fine.
Um, but I think it wouldbe much more interesting to actually see it
because it's meant to be seen.It's a play. It's meant to be
experienced in the same way that honestlya movie is meant to be experienced in
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the theater or you know, atyour home, mine objector in your backyard.
Yeah, yeah, I mean experienceit visually, not writing. Yeah,
absolutely, And so I think allof those things, you know,
those don't really fit, um,what we did here now as per,
like, would we do another serieslike um, you know, Lord of
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the Rings or something like that.You know, I think all of those
things could be open and possibly oneday in the future. Um, but
as per just starting it right now, it's it's not going to be something
we would do, I would say, obviously, doing like The Hobbit or
and Lord of the Rings together.That is an incredibly massive undertaking compare it
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is a lot of work, andas much as we've loved doing this,
it's you know, for me,Um, I'm I'm definitely excited that we
did something that had a specific runand it allows us to be able to
be done and to move on anddo other things. So we'll definitely be
covering with the Fantastic Beast movies asthey come out on the six two clubs.
(16:00):
You can find all of our HarryPotter episodes there, like you said,
or are Fantastic Beast conversations there aswell. And if course Child does
become something we can conview right,then that's definitely something we would probably put
out on six o two club aswell and watch um that way, and
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so that that is where you wouldfind, yes, if if that became
an option in the future, Yes, and you know, I think,
um yeah, who knows what podcastingwise will come in the future. We
don't know, um, But youknow, one of the things that I
think is we wrapped up the seriesand I wanted to ask you a question
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which I think is really interesting becauseI don't know if a lot of people
thought that Harry Potter would kind ofstand the test of time, and so
far it really as and obviously youknow personally having just been to Harry Potter
World and Orlando, it's huge andpeople love it and they're spending tons of
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money on it. Still people arestill reading the books, still finding the
books now and it's still a thirdcommercial up on Peacock whenever you exactly extream
service, Yeah exactly. So whydo you think that Harry Potter has stood
the test of time? Oh,that's a great question. I think there's
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a handful of elements to it thatkind of gave it the cocktail for success.
One is I think that it's fairlytimeless, right, It didn't get
a lot of There's not a lotof elements to it that date it.
Like when you watch some movies,I look at the costumes or the hair
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or even like I'll see someone usea own and I can kind of instantly
date where that's from. And justbased on the way this is created,
you don't really get that, right. So even though the first movie is
what now twenty years old something likethat, you don't even reading the book
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or watching the movie, like youdon't feel like it's twenty years old right,
like there's there's let's be fair,there are elements some of the CGI
and the third one is a littlebit rough, But for the most part,
we're not talking about trying to rewatchsomething like Bill and Ted's where I'm
instantly like this is enough, notyou know, or the Never Ending Story,
(18:44):
which I tried to watch in mythirties and I was like nope,
Um. I think that's one bigpart. I think the stories themselves are
They're rooted in things that are kindof universal and aren't dated as well.
Right. We talk a lot alot through the last one hundred and ninety
nine episodes about how even today,during the pandemic, that nobody could have
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seen coming. There are elements andthemes within these books we relate to on
a daily basis, and that alone, I think makes it, you know,
timeless, and until the world correctsall of those problems, I think
they're going to continue to be relatable. And I don't think we're going to
solve the problem with media and theproblem with fanaticism and things like that quickly
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or even potentially ever. I don'tmean to be such a pessimist here,
but I think the themes are timeless, and I think that keeps it to
it. And I think this ideathat there's hope and that great things can
come from anywhere, from anyone isinspirational, and we want to feel empowered.
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We want to feel like we couldbe Harry, or we could be
wrong, or we could be Dumbledore. Right. I think there's so many
different characters, Like I related somuch to Hermione when I was younger,
and now I'm more relating to youknow, maybe a Dumbledore character. But
I think there's so much to thatthat you can take away something different at
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every stage that you read it,too. So I think that's probably the
big pieces that stand out to me. What about you, anything I missed
or anything you have for thoughts onit? Plus everyone loves magic. Who
doesn't loves magic? Yeah? Youknow, I think one of the things
that you touched on that is reallyimportant. And the reason I think of
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it, Harry Potter lasts is becausethe themes in it are timeless. And
one of the things that Rowling reallydid well, which was to keep from
tying the series too specifically to anypoint. I know, you know obviously
it is. I mean you thereis a timeline, right, for when
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this is supposed to have kind ofhappened within the real world, right,
but um, but it's not sothat you're tied to it, right right,
right? Yeah. Um. Oneof the things that she really did
which really helped was the fact thatshe kind of said this before you know,
the digital craze of the world.So this feels again, very timeless
(21:26):
in some ways. It's kind ofthe thing that, Um, I'm going
to use this as an example.I hate the movie Hook. I hate
the movie Hook because what it doesis that it takes never Land and turns
it into a very eighties centric,like an early nineties like place. And
the thing about Neverland was that itwas timeless. It was this thing that
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where you would go there and therewas nothing that was really tying it to
anything. It was very classic things, um, you know, pirates and
Indians and all of these things thatwhich there isn't a specific time frame for.
You know, Again, it justfeels timeless. And I think one
of the things that Rowling does sowell is that she makes Harry Potter feel
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timeless. You could pick the booksup and you can imagine that it's taking
place now and there's never really anythingthat kind of pulls you out and makes
you think, oh wow, that, you know, just throws me back
to the nineties, you know,And I think that's really smart. But
I also think that the thing thatalso makes this last is that thematically,
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she is touching on things to whichare historically understood, you know, the
themes of good and evil that shehits on, the way in which you
know, governments either rise or fall, the way in which the media interacts
with those governments and the people,and all of the things that we've talked
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about for you know, one hundredand ninety nine episodes. All of those
thematic elements are something to which wecontinue to have as a species, have
a problem with. And she writesthat in a way that helps us see
our faults and our victories, anddoes it in a way that always feels
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applicable. I can read it,and I did read it, you know,
twenty years ago, the same withthe same level of applicability of the
themes as I do now. Now. How it applies specifically to the time
period may change and will change overtime, but I think that the themes
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are so timeless that they will continueto resonate for generations. To come in
the same way that people still readThe Hobbit and Lord of the Rings and
the Chronicles of Narnia and all ofthese types of books which people can still
get things out done. Is anotherone, you know, where you know,
these great books stay with us becausepeople have tapped into something so primordial
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to who we are thematically that wedon't ever feel lost or like they're not
relevant anymore. They continue to stayrelevant well, And I think to your
earlier point about actually remaining timeless,I think when you enter in I think
this is the thing too. Itwas human enough, but it entered enough
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into the fantasy realm. I alsodid not find myself going, well,
if they had a cell phone,this wouldn't have happened, right like you,
It's enough of a different world thatlike, I don't feel like I
need to equate it to the moreto the real world, if that makes
any sense, right Like? Whereaswhen I watch Stranger Things, I'm like,
if they had cell phones like Iwould, my kids wouldn't be wondering
(24:53):
alone in the middle of the night, right twelve or whatever, right like.
But at the same time time,I don't have the urge to do
that with Harry Potter, and Ithink it's because we're straight up in a
fantasy land versus a weird fantasy eventhappening in the real world. Right,
She's created enough of an actual,separate universe that I'm not trying to pull
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in those elements that would kind ofbreak that wall down and break apart the
world she's created either. So Ithink somehow she managed that fine light.
It's the same with like your point, Lord of the Rings in the Hobbit,
I don't go like, well,when cell phones were invented, right,
or like the GPS in their car, right, Like, you don't
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think about those things because she givesyou enough other things in her world that
you aren't wanting them, Like,it's not a gap or a hole you
feel does need to fill. Well, And I would say that the best
part about the series is that it'sfun and it reminds us of the best
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of ourselves, which is friends andfamily. You know, it reminds us
of the things that were really important, which is that we're defined by our
choices. We're not defined by wherewe're born, or who our parents are
or any of those things. We'redefined by the choices that we make.
And those are the things to whichwe define ourselves then as well as others
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can define us. And and thatwe have a choice to always be better
than our parents. I think that'sone you know, the last chapter,
the epilogue, where we see Malfoy, right, Malfoy has made a choice.
Draco has made a choice to benot his parents, right. And
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yes, he's still probably a bit, as we said, hoity toity,
but he's chosen to not be likehis parents, which is so sold out
to this this ideology of pure bloodsand that that's what matters and all those
things. He's probably still got someserious prejudices to him, but he has
(27:07):
made the choice to be different.We see that by the end. In
fact, even his parents make thechoice to be different. By the end
of the series, right, they'remore worried about whether their son it is
alive than they are about the cause. So, you know, I think
that this is a beautiful thing,like it's never too late for you and
for anyone to make the choice tobe different. It's never too late for
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forgiveness, and it's never too latefor redemption. And I think that's one
of the things that we see inher series and I the reason I think
It's continues to be so important it'sbecause, I would say, in many
ways, our society is starting tolose some of that. And Harry Potter
reminds us, no, it's redemptionis possible, forgiveness should be possible,
(27:56):
and absolutely is on thousand and onethousand percent. And I also think she
gives our characters permission to not beperfect, right, Like every character has
some sort of flaw or makes somesort of choice, right, And that
(28:21):
even I mean, you could evenargue Baltimore, You could even argue Umbridge,
which I think of are the twoworst characters. There are basically no
characters that are wholly evil, right, we can. She spent an entire
like a couple of chapters explaining toyou how Baltimore became who he is.
(28:45):
Right, he wasn't born this antichrist. Right, it's a series of events
and actions and things that he waspredisposed and like there's just all these things
that build, right. I thinkshe really truly does give you permission to
make a different choice and to showup in a different way tomorrow than you
(29:06):
did yesterday. And that it's okay, right, you shouldn't give up on
being a better person or being agoodish person because you haven't been so far.
Right, it's not a lost cause. You can always keep trying and
just know that the choices you've madein your past will impact your future.
You're never going to completely get awayfrom them. But you can always be
(29:29):
better than anywhere yesterday. And that'sokay. And you know you should be
welcomed for the choices you're making nowand the actions you are continuing to take,
not your past right well, andthen in the end too, I
think what does it say to usis that this story shows us that people
should not be continually defined by themistakes they've made in the past, but
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by the actions that they take inthe here and now. And you know,
that's one one of the things thatwhen you when you get to the
end and you have that utter realizationof who Snape is. He's the ultimate
example of this, right, Andpart of that is that Snape also kept
(30:15):
hidden the very essence of who hetruly was. Right. He continued to
portray himself as being a turd toeveryone, and yet he was not right.
And I think the thing about thestory is it does help us to
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see the complexity and the nuance ofwho people are, and you can go
down the road to choose to bethe ultimate villain. You know, Gouldemart
makes that choice, Belatrix makes thatchoice, many of the other death eaters
make that choice, right, Butthey've made the choice. They've chosen evil
over good. And then there aresome of those characters that are more in
(30:56):
the middle. And then you havethe more i would say, quote unquote
kind of righteous characters like Harry,right, but in the end they still
make the choice to be like that. And then you saw and there was
a whole book or several chapters ofa book when we talk about what the
fifth one half flood of prints andthe fact that lupid and serious and James
(31:19):
made terrible decisions in their teenagers.They bullied, they ran away, they
broke the rules, right, theykind of got a little bit of a
cocky attitude to them. Right,They weren't perfect people, but ultimately they
become sort of our heroes, right, at least to an extent. So
(31:40):
I think that it's just evidence ofthat on the opposite side too, right,
Like, they made some poor choicesas a teenager, but when the
important choices came along, they decideddifference in snape and that's almost identical paths
that converged based on sort of onekey decision, right, And so I
think it shows so much how youcan be flawed but still good. Yeah,
(32:07):
I mean, I um, Icouldn't agree more. And I think
you know, the series is obviouslysomething that from for me personally and I
know for you it's definitely special andit's one of the reasons that wanted to
do the podcast and to be ableto talk about it, because I do
think that Harry Potter is a seriesthat is going to continue to last and
(32:30):
for all of the reasons which wejust discussed, and it's exciting to have
been a part of that in anyway, shape and form, for people
to be able to now continue tolisten to. As you know, the
best part about this podcast, exceptfor the fact that Drea's lives at those
and i've's wives at those points willbe forever in audio, Drea is not
(32:52):
eternally pregnant. Guys, um,but soccer please not That sounds like my
word nightmare. Every woman's words nightmare, right, Like, definitely one of
them for sure, probably, ButI think it is that you know,
(33:13):
people, you can always go backto listen to this for every chapter,
you know, and every time youreread it, you can always go back
and listen to what we had tosay. And it's a lot of fun
and people can continue to, youknow, enjoy the podcast for years to
come as they find the series,you know, as new kids find the
series. I think that's really neat. So I'm super excited for that to
(33:37):
happen. And I'm super excited thatpeople joined us, you know, on
this journey in the first place.So, you know, before we wrap
up, I just want to saythank you. Thank you for joining us
on the journey and for supporting uslike you did. You made this,
you know, one of the bestpodcasting experiences is that I've ever had,
and I've been podcasting for like almostten years. So thank you so much.
(34:00):
Yeah, I'll echo that. Imean, I was always touched when
people would take the time to reachout and send an email or contact us
on Instagram or Twitter or any ofthe above. Um, you know,
we share the amazing gift we gotlast week or last episode. I guess
(34:21):
I agree. It's it's been anhonor to be able to share our thoughts
and experience with this, this thingthat means so much to so many people.
And have you guys continue to listen, especially the one who said they're
going to re listen, like blessyour heart. But yeah, it's it's
been a pleasure and I couldn't haveasked for a better partner in crime here
(34:45):
or partner in mischief, and youknow, the opportunity to just share something
that does mean so much to me. I agree, and keep them coming
right. We might not be recordingthings live anymore and might not be able
to share your thoughts or feelings,but you know, we may not remember
(35:06):
what we said three years ago.Would have to go back, and we
can't let ourselves. But yeah,there's so much here to it, and
you know, not having anything queuedup after has nothing to do with the
audience or not loving this or notloving the experience. We just have other
things ahead of us for now.And you know this isn't the last she'll
(35:28):
see us together. I'm sure.I'm sure I'll be back on track FM
at some point or on the sixor two club. So yeah, thank
you all for coming on the journeywith us. For sure. That's a
very long winded way of saying that. No, I mean, I couldn't
agree more so, you know withthat Drea obviously last time for the show.
(35:51):
So people do want to keep trackof you and catch up with all
the things that you do have goingon. Where can they find you?
Yep, you can find me onat PCF check more often, you'll find
me on Instagram at Dreya Coffin andit's c F F A N. And
of course you can find me allover the place Matt Rushing zero two on
(36:14):
most of the social media platforms outthere. That's where you can find me.
So yeah, definitely follow me,you know if you want to keep
up with what I've got going on. Of course, still doing aggressive negotiations
here on the network with John Millsas each and every week we're talking about
Star Wars, and then you canfind me over on the TFM network.
Is Andre and I've been talking aboutsix or two Club. We're talking about
(36:36):
all of the fantoms we love.Again, we have talked about every single
Harry Potter movie there and we've alsotalked about the Fantastic B series plus all
the other things we love in fandom. There's just so much stuff to be
able to talk about, so hopeyou'll check that out. Of course,
doing Snyder cuts over there as wellwith John Mills, as we had talked
(36:57):
through everything Zack Snyder's directed, doingliterary tracks in the ORB too. Literary
checks is about the books and thecomics of Star Trek. And then of
course you could also find me onthe ORB with Chris Jones talking about Star
Trek Peace Bay sign. So thankyou though for always checking your outpost.
And for the final time, Mischiefmanaged join the revolution, join the Nerd Party.
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