OXÍGENO # 68 - La historia real tras la película Arthur. Entrevista a Mikael Lindnord

Mikael Lindnord es un deportista sueco de raids de aventura que durante una competición inició un amistad muy especial con un compañero inesperado: un perro callejero. Escribió su historia en un libro y ahora se ha llevado a la gran pantalla, con Mark Wahlberg como protagonista interpretando a Lindnord. Entrevistamos en este episodio a Mikael Lindnord. 
Podcast Oxígeno, con Elena Moro y Jorge Jiménez Ríos. 

Episode Transcript

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Oxygen. The podcast of the author' s passionate. On May thirty-
one it premiered in our country.Arthur, the film based on the fascinating
real story of Michael Linnor, aSwedish adventurer who participated in the World Adventure

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Root Championship in Ecuador of two thousandfourteen and who won the hearts of millions
of people when he and his teamadopted Arthur a stray dog during this epic
endurance race through the Ecuadorian jungle.Michael, who was the captain of the
first Swedish team to win a worldchampionship at the root of adventure, told

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his fascinating story in a book.Arthur, the dog who went through the
jungle to find a home, andthe book, like many other great stories,
has been taken to the cinema ina film very true to reality starred
by Mark Walver and directed by Simonsellan, winner of a BAFTAP, and we
have with us in the sound oftoday' s adventure the real protagonist of

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this emotional adventure, Miquel Lindo HiMichael Hello. It' s a pleasure
to have you with us in thesound of adventure. You with as are
The Sound of Adventure or Podcast.First of all, how it feels to
be interpreted by nothing less than seaValberg on the big screen Big Screen or

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to everyone. Thanks for inviting meto the podcast. About your first question.
Yeah, the truth is that playingwealver is a fantastic thing. It
' s something I never would haveimagined. It' s not a thing
that you expect will ever happen,but obviously, Marca has done a fantastic
job interpreting the story in the greatscreenc jobs Carrie Story at The Sim Tim

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But at the same time, it' s not a story about me or
about Mar Wolberg, it' sabout arthurne all the artists who have worked
on it, although he is theother clear main of Farst' s Heth
Ya, of leading Roal first youwrote your experience at the World Adventure Rights

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Championship of two thousand fourteen in abook standing Ship in Ecuador, and then
the book became a documentary Outton auThrning, which was nominated for an Emmy
in the sports category and then becamea movie port category am After wastorn In
toa movie. How the book gotto Hollywood. I guess it' s
not easy for a story that developsin a niche sport not much known as

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the Adventure Rays, to become amovie Kuma Pi eat a movie and Showi
and Caylens. Yeah, it wasall as you describe it. First it
was a book I wrote, adocumentary to go Spien nominated for male Em
and now it' s a greatHollywood production. And the origin of the

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film was that some Hollywood producers watchedthis documentary seven years ago and said we
want to make a movie about it. The Day Well Lack ok Won to
Walking o t Firs. At ourfirst meeting I was told we want to
write a love letter Arthur. Andthat' s something that I thank you

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for and made me choose them,because that' s the way we feel
it. And now it really feelslike it' s the last love letter
we' ve ever written. Thisfilm by Karthur Wrighthing in thet Blablath when
the moth Outter and was a surpriseto you how the original call went The

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producer called you okay, I likeyour story. We want to make a
movie about her or how We wantedto move The Thing Slick. The thing
is, I wasn' t expectinganything. It was a big surprise.
Price Ovis Leon. Obviously, whenI was in Ecuador in two thousand fourteen,

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it was at a great moment,Big Momen. Everything was happening at
the time. Thing th as itall developed since then, happened very quickly
odyssey moment of your or on WorthFrom that point Arithing Happens, Sophast really
didn' t know or understand whatI was doing, because, because all

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I wanted was to bring Arthur withus, with my family ork Beck,
eat to to Mytham the bus orbase batan r Thing Happen Sofas, everything
was rolling very fast, getting inmy way. It' s a book
yes, and when Hollywood wanted tomake a movie it was like a fort

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is not a movie. Also thorI live nothing ock that Arithing, comp
oul way like ok Wow, thest witrit tous Stories, mora moreck comptos
he or rhythm k like i podcastnot that popped up just the same people.

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The book started, what we're doing now this podcast. This
is how or ran the first callwith the producers called grupa, and they
told me their vision of the storyand how they wanted to portray Thurn,
as they thought it might be thefilm Wo Credend How, the how Thot
the film, The Film Horto LukeClick and from that point to today has

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been a long, long process.I think the film has now premiered in
almost fifty countries, Usa war Thin, The Morisoulthe Light or Phiftins Incredible.
You also participated in the screenplay ofthe movie The Movies Scribe Wright. Well,
the Michael brand quest Obviously, Itried to help him in everything I

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could, because the story was basedon my book, but Michael Brandes and
he was the one to write GuinsScreen Rights Out and you got to be
on the set or in one ofthe locations were locations. I' ve

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already been to the Dominican Republic.Let' s go in for three months,
part of weeks before the first dayof shooting and training with Kyle and
the dog played by Arthul Lowenhunter wonIt was three dogs that played it two
soft courts and, of course,also training with actors Mark Natal and the

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rest of actors, for example,teaching them to row properly olute by bicycle.
There are other aspects of an adventurerip and bowls like eating drums to
teach them the stor shouting sports andwhen we start rolling. I was on
the set every day very close todirector Simon, helping the actors when they
had questions and it' s howto make everything look real with the outfits

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that got a perfect form and perfectfest. I was very involved throughout the
process. In the prose. Michaelwanted to ask you how you feel about
how your adventure has taken shape,your career on the big screen. They

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have been faithful about what you livedor they have had to exaggerate in some
scenes to make it a little morecinematic. How is your mikimo feeling,
Orice Bash Facebook to the Real thof your Raise of Joran Dentor. We
make it clear of fat fool.I think he was pretty faithful. You
know, there' s a littlebit of everything. And if you watch
the movie, the terlin scene isall in production. Of course, we

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' ve done a lot of terolinas, but never like that Ow The Big
Scenes big events in the movie arepretty beautiful and very close to how they
happened in real life. The sceneof the cantilado, for example, when
they jump the langua in real lifewas dark in the place of being illuminated,
but it was something very similar.So I think they did an amazing

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job. Hi The Simbler, SoulFin, maising On Bole, all the
producers and all the teneasts and obviously, Marc, the lead actor, were
amazing. On top of the firstweek sea was injured his knees, not
to say air Won, diet EsMarchas, Gic Toound Count on the singles
Lack of Firestay yive the First morkeisineris I am hit thornes Mendi injured the

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disco me, so everyone was asworth now the film is not going to
be made. But he went aheadand endured that knee injury so that the
film would go ahead, so withouthim we would always have the film.
Whit Out has very wind any OrcKing goal as in the real race,
not that your teammate gets hurt inthe knee. Matt Hisney insulting satin juning.

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I think seeing Mark' s versionwas a lot worse than that.
Yeah, yeah, and so youknow that was more like an exaggeration.
But Mark' s injury was real. So I think we have a lot
to thank for enduring that suffering.I Thinc are Hustin King. I do,

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that suffering. For me the filmshows very close to reality, very
faithfully, the reality of a ritof adventures and movements, the training,
the technique, the effort and thehardness of the career of efffort it shows

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of the movie Shots Burry Bury,Ith grit fhidelity of effits de tof of
a duventul rase is no longer alpsante, yes, yes 100% that already
so yes the first part of thefilm without eight adventure race and that how
it works d in that I thinkit is quite accurate. You know.

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This is a difficult sport and isalso a very important sport in South America
and Spain. He deportis rer beginSaltemerca en span spain A. I'
ve done a lot of racing inSpain. We are not so much good
memories to you already I would saythat it is the perfect sport for people
who love the outdoors. You alreadyknow how to do it in the group

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of four people, do it withyour friends, close, row in wild
waters, not to me and Ithink there are mountain bikes and hiking and
White Walter Monton by king Us Montansor this sport that deals more about the
passion for the outdoors than about thecompetition of o o. Author Passion Moran

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Racing WS. I wanted to askyou Michael a little bit about the real
story, about that moment when youfind Arthur for the first time, because,
well, maybe, there are peoplewho haven' t seen the movie
and you want to know a littlebit about that moment, that turning point
for you, for the dog,where it doesn' t just change your
life and your own career too farsmament want jumet de dog ya go good

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question a question. Yes, wewere in Ecuador and we had been there
maybe for ten days before because youneed to acclimatize to altitude and things like
that hout the tube of CTT wentup well or so we had been there
for a while, as always fromthese races it tries to cover terrain quickly
and will make mistakes. You kinea montat be the complicated part. Cobr

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ground the ratt doun cough sumamenm stakestwo Channel the Trick to portut in the
dis rasmos perfe. The truth is, things were far from perfect. Still.
We were counting the gold. Wewanted the podium We got to this

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little town after four days of racing. We all knew that it was not
going well we went to this Americanteam that was heading for the next stage
with a lot of energy and youth. I was in a fourth place.
Okay, well, we don't think chicken is that far. I
was putting bikes in the transition area. You' ve changed from discipline.
We were going to pass the bikeinto the jungle on foot and in that

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process I took some meatballs that Ibrought from Sweden and started eating them with
the tail of my eye. Iused a standing dog and looking at that
there' s already the duket likeand I thought Frost today first of all

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looked really tired. He was bleedingfrom the back. Even what I thought
ufff didn' t come near me. I don' t want to get
sick. I was in the middleof the race. You know at the
World Championship and there was the wholegame, but it stayed there. I
did eat some albo on say.He wanted it, maybe I read ten
or fifteen seconds, he got in, that' s all. I know

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it' s Mia chanchon Son.Then I' m just picking up our
stuff and we keep running because wewanted to catch up with the other team
in front of us. So,it' s already darkened from Fenderdor and
we' ve put on our fronts. Then, when I looked back,
after maybe a euro like that Iwas of to watch Worshow, so Ilocke

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and Chilus sadas, I was lookingif another team was following us as well.
So we were watching and in thedistance we didn' t see a
team, but we saw the dogenough that cough at first I didn'
t fall into that it was thedog I had given some. So,
well, we keep going. Theother team stopped and we thought we wanted

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to change the batteries or something,and then the dog came up and thought
wow is the same dog I gavethe sausage to. Say a couple of
hours ago talk to him and Itold him you' re sure you want
to come with us, because theorganization had warned that there was a lot
of mud and complications about wells likemoth things or ansck. It seemed to

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me that they did want with us. It' s not like we tried
to take him with us and hewas just following us. Swright the Attin
Wit two and Voss fall asson theHingis the things we said. Well,
he needs a man we just sawKing Arthur' s movie and somehow he

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looked like a king. He hadsome kind of dindi dad and resistances by
royal like put two likes. Iam, too, and we did baptize
him with the name Arthur Arthur.So, after that night we were very
close to falling down a cliff.It was super dangerous in general, man,

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but we got back to the rightCliffs route where you live. I
do super das bow Can back toWright rooth I. I remember sitting on
a log, in a crazy littlestream with that beautiful jungle and I asked
the other team members if any ofthem had anything else to eat, because
we were at home. Aywando,I guided us into milestones and storbing I

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had a little energy bar, oneof those really dry. Last one I
had left. So he pulled twopackets out of that save and it'
s been peso wow the mos thegood wow eh to B and then that
' s one more bite. Buton the other side of the stream was
Barthur and he had not eaten anything, so without talking about them, it

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was as well, He should havethe food. So we gave him or
I gave him a salvation from Nedithingyou are s without to k ok and
city of fo the Mo sub ormy wife and then we tried to keep

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gathering energies. We almost didn't make it. One of my teammates
was really wrong. So we gotto the transition area after honor, being
five full Five Members members and witha guy who needs a treviso life and
meditation we were there maybe seven hoursand then we were supposed to start rowing
again. The organization said because hethrew you Arthur was with us at the

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time, guys, you can't take the dog anymore because they'
re going to arm through anglears.It' s a bad decision. We
understood it was crazy. So KarenStephano started rowing and I sat down and
talked to Arthur. I told himwe' re leaving now what we'
re going to do. Someone getslime Truman crow stir Th to be the

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be so crass I Carl hffi stortopal ok we own S. So we
started rowing 30 yards or something.Then I just heard something, I swiped

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my head and full or I justjumped into the water behind us and joined
the work s ros and prelate quitea lot of weight, like it just
added up the surface, but it' s okay, or I can'
t do this. I hate Isaid the kayak part. Before I took
it in green and that was thetime we made the decision. This same
we will do together more The tolscand of the Session, w we ok

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withe insti wow it s te.I have to say that I cried alone
in the cinema seat when I sawher, especially during that scene and in
the end also when you almost hadto sacrifice Arthur. I don' t

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know if it' s because Ialso have a dog, but it really
touched my heart. I got it. I guess it wasn' t easy
to convince your teammates to stay withthe dog, make the sacrifice of giving
up the podium opportunity and save Arthurat the kayac oriun Arthur with you save

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Him because yun you wanted to winWilli you have a competitive and winning character,
so you wanted to win the championship. It' s not easy to
make a decision like that snotis totake a decision like that. I do,
but I also have to say thatthe film is a show. It

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' s a drama. Not likewe' re choosing Arthur instead of the
podium. In real life, wehad problems with one of the guys who
needed a funny life. So Ican' t blame Arthur for not getting
the podium. In the film it' s more like that, but in
real life, of course, welost it a lot of positions, but
I can' t blame it.That' s why you know the top
sessions pot n law well, itwas me well to put lis and all

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soli and to be honest, alsothe best decision of the version. Ya
y mor Hollywood ideal Chita is alittle more the effect of Hollywood reality than
it was. But if you takethat off, there were a lot of
things that were similar and kin ofbots in the movies mo like she truth

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mola like In reality you say Arthurchanged your life. I don' t
talk life no and Homer, butI do see a person a hundred percent.
It' s my goal in lifewas to be that soon worlds tb
That' s what we were lookingfor of tetsbo I did everything in my
power to be there. But then, with the Arthur my power by on
Total my Life Wright Tiendo quickly becamea symbol for other dogs and also for

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people who bring in want to havea second chance of life. You know
th the wind of soi stand.I do understand that I have a lot
of responsibility to history and Arthur.All that also marked the end of my
career as an adventurer. Yes Ifocus more on my family, th Sventures,

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d amorphous smythum an orch and ArithingWhithtts really very strong emotions, very
deep and a very intense relationship withNarthur. He was another member of your
family and inspired you to create afoundation to help street dogs, Foundation turns
to Strigogs Wright. Already and manypeople wanted to help and do something.

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Hou du Soundfing the Twin we arethe foundation and the objective of the foundation
was to support the law, thento the law and then tried eighteen in
Ecuador and now gives to street dogsEcuador. The prime rights we have in
Sweden, Spain, United States,in sweater spar en us we A.

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We were just part of it andwe were ambassadors. There were many people
in Ecuador who worked hard to achievethis. So I can' t take
all the credit for a club groupeffort or giving a personal comment more than
a question. Michael is that Elenaand I are very fond of the hiter.
We' re not multineffielers. Welove movies and we love Mark Walber

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in concretene is a great star,someone very famous and, besides, with
pretty rough persona, not enough badas, as you say in English, but
at the same time he seems verykind and Tierno tell us how it has
been to work with him. Knowinghim in person being able to train with
him or have a beer how yourrelationships have been in the Istor' s

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is like film is not Stokis Kylesloblis Like. As for Justin Gabo Him
now, Junowhing Youtul t Kim Thu, takess On, Bears You train or
howis Markin realit h Mokis Tuesday kis that no. He' s the
green South Americans. He' sdone it since he grew up in Poston,

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b Boston like Yiki. I thinkhe' s been a searcher and
I' ve really found his waynow. He is very Christian, believe
God c He is also one ofthe most hardworking people I have ever known
in my entire life. His dedicationis huge livinghol life or he hasn'

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t been with anyone who has thedetermination he has. You can see that
with Olympic champions in the sport.You know that' s the mental game
that he has t Olly Peak Championsin inspiration stem mentally Game the Firsttay the
first day we met at a dinnerparty said something. As you know,

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Michel, we' re going tohave to work hard and start you off
for not every day. He's got his team all around him like
it' s his success. Youknow he' s got, like,
eight people. Around he didn't care. He set the alarm at
two o' clock and rose inthe middle of the night if ant Rush
Pronning the Head to The mort Towith or Top Mil of the Night Train

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for Ts trained for two hours.Then he read the script for two hours,
so when the sun came up andhe was ready for the day,
you can see one of the scenesin the movie and you can also see
it when he talks to all thoseguys in that conference room, a scene
that we signed about eight times andnever got a word wrong. You know
he has a monologue of about threeor four minutes and he never makes mistakes

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bishouthts yes he is very professional like, very professional World aicnl be monlo Full
treffor worlds On Never dum Stakes arepoly professional wide and I would say that
thanks to him. I think we' ve been successful with this movie and

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telling Arthurdo' s story. Buthe' s a very good person,
he' s very professional, afriend, he' s very very good
person i guysby professional Bert Frand andyou know if Marx has a dog,
because really on the screen you seemto feel that emotion, that special relationship

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with aful O, the dog thatinterprets that I don' t know his
real name the actor, the actordog Ney of the Real Dog already yes,
yes, yes, and Tree Dogsif we didn' t do it,
or three bow dogs Hunter and YukaiYa youky the Youkai ok That the
s Rock that we also used becauseit was like Arthur. It looked like
twins, but it was really fun, because I think it' s a

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very good question. Marque and thedog developed the same bond that I had
for Thor the Voll of the SameOnd of The Hit morkt The Harry Shers,
Southat' s White Two without Setand the te So, in those
scenes at the end with the vet, they were very exciting and we also
tuned him in the end Than DalesZoby cand of How Work Hot the Mouth,

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the actrea Mons. So we've been working on the film for
about three months. Although you seeon the screen it' s real and
when I mark the dog tmos togethermore like real life than acting, you
know and I think that' swhy people like that scene so much.
Also heper real laps that without Sommmachh really impressive relationship and how it is
shown in the movie. Yeah,so last question or Jorge, you want

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to ask Michael a question, orwe' re done with I Fini.
Yeah. The truth is that Ihave a lot of questions and I'
m going to do at least onemore high, because it' s very
interesting what you mentioned, not howyou change your mentality in the middle of
a competitive scenario, of a raceyou abandon the possibility of winning that championship.

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To greet Arthur, to help thedog is a very complicated thing and
to do when you are in militarythis competition not only for you, because
also you have to convince your companionsto do this. How that decision is
achieved a little in the middle ofthe race and how you share it with
your peers. O hout you Field, htton you the cabou the moments was

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won, the two coming to thefour likely and uwer feeling that be for
Wright, to changing one minutes impossible. The mindset is more to bean days
or wer youware thinking about that thelaw. The truth is, when I
was in the middle of the race, I wasn' t thinking about what

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we were doing something special with Arthur, because it was natural. I'
ve been competing for almost twenty-nine years. I' ve been to
South America, I' ve beento Africa, I' ve been to
Europe and China. He' sbeen to North America, I' ve
been to almost every continent and I' ve invented dogs, cats and other
animals. And before when I've been competing, you know sppe racing

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i well round we walk wild danmolts Botin urr speernce t do surrounded by
many animals and pare salvajat as well. But I' ve never, ever
experienced anything like this. A dogjust follows you anywhere. He never laughs
well, he' s never beenin a situation like this before. The
decisions were always from artho by wowwow, like cobelon. The truth is

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that this question is good. Whythis one spend two other almost ten years
trying to understand why it followed me, why it chose me among all,
ay Ben spanday Oh know I sos now to on the stand Way and
failure Way sous over or like ChantPeter. It can' t be that

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it was the first time I receivedfood from a human. That' s
impossible. It was an adult dogWay. What he chose to do all
his work, keep using us,and especially maybe I do and I don
' t understand it, I don' t have good answers for that.
And when I was in the middleof the race, it wasn' t
like I was on our team.I think the first time we made a

(29:03):
decision was when I jumped into thewater and had to load it off me
refe or Team down at first timekin make ad the session dead hours Why
yount end the worlkhren a heat takingmyst lap theat bols Skin. That was
the decision of that good. Okay, now we' re not going to
this race anymore, but it wasn' t a sacrifice on our part that

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he joined us. I don't know maybe you have the best answer
I have. Side of assets andjoey ning of Neway am your stof light
how t smoll here falls i dono I he beth anst mead n i
don trea don stand pat thing itlast are. I don' t really
understand, but I do understand.What I know is that when he came

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to our house, he just wentthrough it and right away, he felt
like at home things Oh the newthings we had already left him all over
the house. He went out,smelled him and walked through the house and
accused himself in bed at night.He slept all night and got up in
the morning as if he had beenliving there all his life. En everything
en the meat low cand Holson Onto Go roun the House, Down on

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the light ist holl Light on themornit aquí Ben leving Hall Life Ay.
I can' t explain how thisworks. Believe me with Works Trust,
the fun story founding bogas that wehave in Ecuador i nd of Old two.

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I kept one of those bags ofsome tares in the be vera,
because they were packed in the void, so they were kept for a long
time in order to give him thesame meats as his first meal at home.
You know the fun part and hedidn' t want the meat days
when he served them, non wantedthem hino the funy potest won t we

(31:03):
well, tern the miat pol thatthe boldt amazing. What he was looking
for when you came home, whatwas his first, his first meal,
which was the first thing he didwhen he arrived at his new angeur House
and his New House t Night onOut. Turns out he loves chicken.
Yeah, yeah, chicken' swhat he liked was his favorite food most

(31:26):
fante. Funny Cebo Hot Founty Becoswas in newhap The already expect simito beach.
I remember on a grill that we' re invited. First, well,
first, we go up Arthur directlyon the grill. We went on
first and I wasn' t eventhinking about it. When we jammed him

(31:47):
as GFT, forest rester Ocker,the disk, the rack ard fronty gral.
I' m not not thinking outthe with that, but yes.
Obviously we did. We served himfirst and then the rest of the family.
Strange fire, but that' swhat maby was like They' re

(32:12):
already Southings like forao. For us, more of the families were just like
my children. Yeah, wow,now, now. It' s amazing.
The special relationship that is created betweena human and a dog It is
something that cannot be explained with wordsas you say. It' s a
very special feeling. Ana dog noana pet ya san you canth spland can

(32:37):
splan sound times, No in wordsfeelings we' ll see you the red
carpet in Hollywood. You' llbe there. Maybe not anymore, but
one has already been in the redfombra already are Line w I think we

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are now touring Spain, which isone of the last ounsout countries and then
we go to Escandernavia. Then,yes, we will have covered almost fifty
countries and then you will return toSpain or Spain Spains, and I do
love Spain is one of the favoritecountries as tuvis Spain. I would love
to come back and visit Spain againand I would love to be in the

(33:25):
red fombra too if the opportunity arises. And yes, obviously, Spain is
a favorite destination for many Swedes.I' d say there' s a
lot of Swedes moving around like that. Yeah, but maybe you' d
rather run an adventure championship on ariver in Galicia, for example, in
Spain, not in Spain, sinceI' m already a little older.

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Now it' s been ten yearssince, as you say, I'
m out of shape. Unfortunately thinwin Wis already just now you enjoy not
the sport, don' t competeis already your in dre the show t

(34:13):
You Hooks, because thank you somuch, Michael for being with us.
We look forward to seeing you herein Spain soon, in and thank you
for sharing your time, your passionand telling us the story, your first
mansion story and bringes your Arthur notdumb, not good. I also want

(34:37):
to send a last big recognition Antoniode la Rosa, who has competed so
many times Suman Times and who hasparticipated in his careers in Spain many times
Spain Summa Times, either Bachick Street, where he was career director in Costa
Rica. When they go historical Ijust want to look at a big hug,

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real adventurer Shit or thust jnthous Down. To me it is a great
inspiration for me, also for myfamily and sodos the adventurers here in Sweden,
so you have a very powerful starin Spain with Antonio. Yeah,
yeah, actually, I do.It' s hard to debate, to
win, it' s very hard. Yeah, yeah, it' s
not easy to compete against that.Yes, yes, he continues to inspire

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a lot of people with his expeditionsand his challenges, expeditions and challenges.
So, okay. Thank you verymuch, Michael, and we really hope
to see you soon. Hop TosYou are age bye. Thank you.