16 States

In this #Papisode Jedi takes you on a journey of a 3 week 16 state work week, Mark takes a quantum leap, we discuss how the future of sales in the industry should be and Mark takes you back to what actually happened on the Thor set. For the content in this papisode please visit the website www.paparazzipodcast.com or our IG @paparazzipodcast. Thank you for listening and sharing. Be Well!

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Episode Transcript

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Hello, Welcome everybody to the PaparazziPodcast. I am Jedi, he is
Mark. We're back. I feellike we're starting every podcast we're back,
because there's such a long break inbetween at the moment, but we are
back. Well we expected this,right, we expected, you know,
because you're working, you're across thecountry. You've you've gone straight news photography

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pretty much. And I'm here andboring La with not much to do except
for the occasional set that comes along. So you know there's going to be
gaps. There is, there is, and it is ridiculous right now.
I'll get into everything I've been upto in a second, but first,
as always, we're going to startwith a beer crack. And after my
imaginary crack last time, I havea real beer. This time. I

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went down into the lobby of myhotel and picked up a damn Yankee.
Damn Yankee. It's an IPA fromright where I am. It's from his
southern barrel brewing here in South Carolina. Oh fucking it's all over my laptop.

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I didn't hear it. Crack.Oh it was loud, was it?
It was loud? Proud and hopefullyit didn't break my laptop because it
went all over it. I don'tknow why the last few times I have
not heard your crack. I believeI hear it on the recording, but
I can't hear it when it comesin. So this is good. Well,

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I'm going to crack something that Ihad this weekend. I went on
a little mini vacation this weekend upto Lake Tahoe. Took the kids up
there, and I just had hada little bit of fun. My kids
are away for a week, whichis nice. They're with my sister up
there. But I went up thereand had had a little bit of a
little bit of fun. Went toa reggae show, reggae show that I

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used to promote when I lived upthere, and it was kind of a
nostalgic kind of thing. But theywere serving these, uh, these drinks
up there, and I just wasaddicted to them. You know, I've
been drinking these Seltzer's, lady lately, and you know, I've been trying
on because it just keep coming outof it. They just coming from everywhere.
You know, everybody's got a fuckingSeltzer. Now, I mean,

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we need to come out with Wetalked about a beer for the podcast.
Now we've got to talk about uhppc seltzer. But this one. I
was drinking it up there. Itwas so good, so I was going
to crack it, but I did. When I went on the website,
I realized there was celebrity ties tothis drink. And I always with like

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everything that comes out these days exactlyso on the tagline right on the website,
first thing says discover why actors MilesTeller from from obviously top Gun and
uh you know a bunch of newstuff. DJ Kigo, yeah, Kaihu
and Golfer Ricky Fowler, Oh,I know who he is, and others

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are bringing this finished legend across theUSA. So I'm gonna crack it.
Oh my god, that's a goodcrack um. Anyway, this is a
seltzer. It's a gin based seltzerfrom Finland. Oh, the Finnish people
are getting getting their hands on usAmerican seltzer addicts. And I had it

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in the freezer for a little whileand it's got it's got actually a little
bit of a frozenness to it.Oh man, that sounds so good.
I could do it. It's likea slushy that sounds amazing. It's so
fucking hot out here that like thatwould that sounds so good. Right now,
it's been in the high nineties allday and ridiculously humid, and I've

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been on a doorstep out here nowfor the last three days in the heat
with no action. It seems likeeverywhere other than the West side of Los
Angeles is in the high nineties ormore. Everywhere across the entire world.
Buffalo is in like a crazy heatwave as well, But like I haven't
been there to to experience. Well, let me get into my stuff,

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because I'm gonna I'm gonna move mystuff aside to to uh, you know,
to make way for your endless stories. You know, last week we
had my My it was a itwas a Mark episode with the whole Barbie
thing, and I feel like Irushed through it a little bit because it
was late and I just in thelast you know, twenty minutes. All
I saw was Jedi yawning on thescreen. I know, well, I

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just I just flown in. Iwas in Salt Lake City, I think
last time we recorded, and Ijust slown in and it was like one
in the morning or something. Ridiculousit's okay, we want exclusives. Nine
excuses Jedi okay. But but yeah, so I feel like I missed a
little bit, and I did.And there was a little bit of feedback
from from so of the listeners,and it was about how I got the

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picture of Margot Robbie's birthday cake.Yes, so I thought I'd just touched
on that for a second. Itwas the last day of filming, the
last minute of filming. They wereabout to come out to go to the
vans for the last time and wewere going to get the last shots of
it. It was me and thisother guy, and at this point we

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had, you know, made somefriends with the crew and people were talking
to us and this and that,and we were talking about Margot's birthday and
what they did for a celebration.And this girl came up to us and
was like, hey, you know, this is this is this was the
celebration. This is what the cakelooked like, and showed me on her
iPhone. So I just looked ather iPhone asked her real quick, in

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mind if I send this to myself. She said, no problem, no,
I just exactly So I just,you know, just send it to
myself really quick looked over at thephotographer that I was standing next to,
and he's just going own man,because he knows about birthday cake pictures,
and so that's how I got it, and that's how that's how it got

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out there. So it was kindof a kind of a cool little thing
and getting birthday cake stuff. Iused to get it a lot. I
used to be friends with the catereron some movie sets and he would always
bring the birthday cakes to the setand he would always pull over a quick
and meet up with me and we'dtake a shot of the birthday cake and
I always made a little extra coinoff of that. Love that I remember.

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You remember the bakery, I'm noteven sure if it's still in La
anymore, used to be on Melrose, Sweet Lady Jane. That bakery always
used to cater for seleb birthday partiesor engagements, weddings exactly as well.
And I remember being like camped outin that fucking parking a lot there forever
trying to get pictures of I thinkit might have been Tom Cruise birthday cake
or something like that years ago,and it never happened anyway, But yeah,

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yeah, funny, funny stuff.I gotta say, Jedi, this
this drink is maybe one of thebest drinks I've ever had in my entire
life, hands down. Man.Well, I googled it earlier. There
are liquor stores in Buffalo that haveit, So as soon as I get
back whenever that may be, Iwill pick up a case. These are

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five point five's, but they haven'teight point five on their roster here.
So, um, you know,if you wanted to get really wasted,
because these things go down like water, like better than water. So if
you want to get really wasted,go for those eight point fives. Um.
So anyway, I didn't. Ihaven't had much honestly, you know.
I went on a little mini vacation. It was but four days,
and before that it was just checkingon some crappy movie sets I got.

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I got the cast of the newQuantum Leap Jedi groundbreaking shit right here.
Oh ye, who's in the umsome guy and some girl. Fantastic exclusive
exclusives. At least I thought itwas. You know, I don't know
if it was because it was inan area where many photographers would know about

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it. I just don't. Ijust think maybe it was not exclusive,
and nobody got any sales on anyof it, so we would never know
if it was exclusive or not anywayexclusive exclusive, Yeah, exactly. M'll
check check back on the Instagram andInstagram stories or whatever, and you'll see.
I'll post something a little bit laterif anybody knows what any of these.
One of the actors was in TopGun speaking of the devil so um,

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but Quantum Leap, it's a reboot. I just thought maybe there'd be
somebody that showed up from the oldcaste, maybe you know, that kind
of a thing. But after that, I had planned on working U Maria
Schera Pova because remember we got theshots of Maria Sharapova. Yeah she was,
she was pregnant, and I figuredI had some time to kind of

(08:46):
let it, let it go fora little while and get her when she
was, you know, about readyto burst. Everybody loves the big baby
bump pictures. And I was waitingfor my sets and my information to run
out, and the day that theyran out, I was gonna go over
there. And I looked on herInstagram and there's the baby already born.
So I went over there a fewdays later just to get the first pictures

(09:09):
of her after the after the birth, and she ended up going over to
Plates and I got her coming out. It was kind of nice. I
pulled up because Marie and I havethis kind of love hate relationship. I
think we've heard about a lot ofthe hate on prior pat Yeah. I
mean, I don't know for sureif she hates me or if she just

(09:31):
hates being photographed, but she seemsto give it up when she wants to
and when I'm there because she knowsI'm gonna just take the pictures. I'm
gonna leave her alone. I'm notgoing to come back until she's in the
news again. Yeah. I couldwork on her every day of the week
if I wanted to, but Idon't do that. But so I went
there, she came out. Wewent to Polates. She knows, I

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know where she goes, and shewas in. She had a hat on
and kind of covered up and wasn'tgiving it up when she went in.
But I was kind of backed off. So I figured, oh, Okay,
she's not having it today, butI want to get these shots.
I don't want to keep working onher. Yeah, So I actually went
home, switched cars. Ooh,and then went back and parked up in

(10:16):
a spot where I could get hercoming out through the back window discreet.
And when she did come out,her hair was down, she looked good.
She actually kind of did herself up, So I think she was expecting
me to be there. She wasn'tget it out and when she didn't see
me there in my other car,I don't know if she was disappointed or

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not, but I think she knowsthe other car as well, so I
think she was looking at me.But anyway, got the shots, first
shots of her after the baby wasborn, and all that's left now is
to obviously get the shots of herwith the baby. And you know,
it's one of those things where youjust want to go. You just want
to talk to her, bump intoher somewhere and go, hey, you
know what, I'm not interested inthe kid. You know, I don't

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care about the kid. Just comeout the stroller. That's exactly that's all
you need because they're gonna blur thekid's face anyway. So it's a baby,
so it would be a baby stroller, so you wouldn't even see it
anyway. But just coming out withthe strollers all anybody needs. So take
the stroller down to the strand.Let's do a little you know, a
little stroller along the strand, andthat's it done and done. So if
you're listening, Maria, let's justget it done and then we'll leave you

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alone for forever. Yeah, onto the next um. But that was
pretty much all I've got in thelast time since the last time we spoke.
Mm. Well, I guess we'llgo onto my my portion and and
see what I've got we have.You know, we don't speak as much

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anymore because I'm always I'm always witha reporter or I'm always fucking on a
plane or something, So you don'tknow everything I've shot. I don't know
everything you've shot. So we'll gofrom last time we were together on the
podcast. I was in Salt LakeCity, which I mentioned earlier. The
job. The job was an insultLake that was just a layover. Actually

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flew the next day. So I'mjust going to run by the states that
I've been in since our last podcastthree weeks ago. Okay, So I've
been in Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama,

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Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina,North Carolina, Florida, Michigan.
Sorry, yeah, in Illinois,not Michigan, because yeah, Illinois.
Where else have I been? Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York sixteen

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sixteen states in how many weeks?Three weeks? Three weeks? Sixteen states?
Yeah, that's and I remember whenyou were moving to Buffalo, you
know, back a few months ago, and you were and you were,
and you were wondering if you weregoing to get any work. Yeah.
Yeah, now I'm wondering if I'mgoing to get any home time. I

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know your daughter will be grown bythe time you get back there. Right
in five weeks, I've had fourdays off. At the moment, it's
been it's been a fucking whirlwind,and it's everything I could have dreamed of.
Like, this is the dream scenario, this is what I was hoping
for. And the weeks and weeksthat went by when I was doing nothing,

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just sitting in Buffalo twiddling my thumbsseem a million miles away. So
I'm very, very happy at themoment. And I can't go into all
of the stories from all of thesestates because I've had to like sign NDAs
and stuff like that. Yeah,well, get into the ones you can
I can't talk about everything, soI will start off with I'll start off

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with what I was doing last week. Last week, I was flown into
New York City by a publication tocover the funeral of Ivana Trump, who
passed away ten days or so ago. Now, um, you know she
fell down the stairs, had aheart attack while she was doing it or

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whatever as well. So I flewin on the Monday. The funeral was
on the Wednesday, So I stakedout, you know, the funeral home
and the church where it was goingto be, all of that kind of
fun stuff, just doing a bunchof recon basically, and come a day
at the funeral. I mean,it's it's a huge press event as well.

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It's not like you're going to getanything exclusive. Huge press event.
The NYPD actually brought out two bigbox trucks and parked on opposite the church
for the media to stand in andjust just have front on shots of the
church. So they were like eightyeight Trump eighty member of pressed at plus.

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So we weren't expecting the Donald towalk in the front. So myself
and another snapper who I was workingwith were positioned on kind of the side
entrance slash exit. I had aview of one side, he had a
view of another. One of uswas going to get it. I got
an amazing shot of a nun goinginto the church and being wandered by Secret

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Service. Nun has her arms outand she's you know, just having the
full full pat down and whatnot bySecret Service, which is kind of funny.
We couldn't be anywhere near the churchreally either. It was all cordoned
off, so everything was a longshot. So my angle I got the
nun, and the other snapper Iwas working with from his angle got a
really nice shot of Donald and Milaniaarriving. So I missed out on that

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one unfortunately. But as everyone's arriving, I'm shooting Don Junior, what's the
other brother called Eric, a bunchof other family members. So that was
all nice, not really nice arrivalshots. And then come the exit shot.
The snapper who got the entrance shotof Trump went into the you know,

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the raised standing at the MPD putup, and I took his original
spot to shoot where Trump entered totry and get the exit. And of
course you've probably seen pictures. Donaldand the whole family came down the steps
right outside the church and completely gaveit up to everybody in the trucks.
So I managed to get some shittyside shots which weren't very good, but

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I still got something which was fun. You know, it's the first time
I've shot a past president, soit was kind of kind of exciting.
Even though it is Donald Trump,it was still kind of it was it
was a big deal. It wasa Newsy picture, it was a news
day. It was fun to bethere as a news man. Well,

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even though it's Donald Trump, Imean, you know, anybody, I
mean, come on, it's DonaldTrump. You know, whether or not
you like him or you don't likethem, it's it's pictures. You know,
it's pictures that are going to belegendary one day. You know that
you need to have it. It'sa past president. Would you consider would
you consider Ivana the Queen of NewYork? No, No, no,

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because she's she's kind of New YorkRoyalty, right, I mean, I
guess she'd been you know, she'dbeen around there for one hundred years.
Yeah, I'm just what I'm saying. I mean, she's she's obviously a
Trump. She's she's been around forever. She's she's you know, a legend
in New York. I mean theyclose streets for the funeral, you know,

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so you know it's a big dealwhen you've got and they I mean
the police presence there was was obviouslyfor the for Donald Um, but it
was it was ridiculous. There werecops everywhere. I've never seen so many
cops in one place, and shedid. She had a gold casket as
well, of course she did,which was kind of cool. So I
guess she kind of is. Iknew your royalty, she'd been there forever.

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Everybody knew who she was. Yeah, I guess she was. But
anyway, it was fun and Igot to catch up with a bunch of
friends in New York that I hadn'tseen for a long time, some old
photographers that used to work in LAand whatnot. So that was fun.
So that was a long old dayas well, was it was it one
of those where you guys all wentout for beers afterwards and caught up or

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just you just caught up while youwere there, just caught up while we
were there. I went out fora beer actually that night with a guy
that used to work at Splash,So it was kind of nice. To
see him and catch up. Butit was such a high pressure day as
well, because as soon as anything'shappening, they want pictures right away.
Yeah, you're snapping, snapping,snapping, opening up a laptop and filing.

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It's instant, and the same withthe phone. But I'm doing video
of the arrivals and literally as soonas they're in, just sending straight from
my phone to the desk. Yeah. Just nuts, So so busy.
And then the next day it wasan easier day, there was no pressure,
but it was still like a longday of taking photos. I was

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assigned to go to Southby's, theauction house, you know, the famous
auction house in New York City.There was a the auction actually happened yesterday
and it was called Geek Week,So they had I think maybe it was
over a hundred different pieces from buzzAldron, you know, the astronaut.

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So I've photographed his space suit fromthe was it the Apollo mission maybe?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, SoI photographed his space suit which sold yesterday.
I think I've already told you howmuch you went for, so I'm
not silly to guess. I thinkit went for two point seven million.
Dollars. I'm crazy. It wasn'ta one on one with a space suit,

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but there was a limited amount ofpress in their tech and photos.
Did they say, who buy itfor a two point seven million? They
haven't, And it was a chapthat bought it on the phone. It
was really a phone buy it.I just wonder if that would be if
it was an American or if it'sif it's going to some other country.
You know, no idea, butI think I read somewhere that I mean

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it was. It was over ahundred items, but I think it sold
for everything sold for like thirty milliondollars total, which is absolutely insane.
One of his there was an earpiecelike an ear plug or whatever it was,
and that sold for like I thinkone hundred and fifty grand. Wow.
It was absolutely nuts. These thingsshould be in a museum really,

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I mean honestly absolutely. I meanit was like a museum. As I'm
walking around photographing everything. Yeah,and I'm asking that we've got our own
guide as well, So I'm askingthe chap to take these pieces out to
hold the pieces, we can geta nice frame so they're not behind them
for glass and all that kind ofstuff and it was all of buzzes,
medals and just everything. It wasabsolutely fascinating that they had like stegosaurus tails

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and like a full there's a fuckingfull Tyrannosaurus rex which actually goes up for
auction next week. So it's likejust the bones of a t rex just
all set up, as well asin a stegosaurus and just fucking like weird
heads of dinosaurs and stuff. Wheredoes all this money go? Do?
You know? I have no ideabecause it just seems like all this stuff

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should be in a museum for peopleto see. But if it's it's being
sold at private parties, where isthat money going to? You know?
Because no idea. And then thebest part of the day. There was
this watch by Jacob and Co.That got flown into space by an Iranian
astronaut I think, so he wentup to space with this watch. It's

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like the only watch that's been intospace. And I had a photo shoot.
I had a one on one photoshoot with this watch, which was
amazing. It doesn't sound that fun, but this watch and I'll post pictures
on the Instagram. This watch isa fucking piece of art. It was
fuck it was beautiful, absolutely gorgeous, like they're just the intricacy of it
and the movement of all the pieces. It had like a rocket on the

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back as well with diamonds coming out. Do you know when it was made
recently, it's like a new watch. It's not like it's not like a
historic watch, but it was anew watch that was made to go into
space basically, and that's sold itsold for. I think, well,
I know how much it sold.It sold for three hundred and fifty thousand

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dollars and I think I think withfees it came out to like four twenty
one for a fucking watch. Butyou look at people, people have too
much fucking money on their hands.It was god And it was so much
fun photographing this watch because it didn'ttalk back to me. It didn't raise
its side, but you know,it did roll its eyes. It didn't

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give me attitude. It was oneof the most didn't have any apps on
it. No, it was oneof the most fun shoots I've done in
such a long time. And itwas so basic pretty much, so that
was really fun. So this isso that's two days in a row.
Ex President, then a space suitand a watch and then the next day

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I got sent up to Rochester,New York. So I actually flew into
Buffalo and then drove up to Washington, so I was close to home,
but not quiet there. I droveup to Rochester because there was this story
where this gentleman who goes by thename of I just could have put up
a guy called David jacku Bonus,so he was It was like a political

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rally and he was there in thecrowd and a us I think he's up
for Senate, this guy called LeeZeldin. So this guy was up there
talking like giving a giving a speech, and Jacobonus was in the crowd.
Didn't like what he heard and hehad kind of a knuckle duster on him.

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So he approached the stage, jumpsup on the stage. This is
not me shooting, this is thisis background to the story. I'm working.
Jack Bogas jumps on the stage,lunges for Zeldn with this knuckle duster
thing, doesn't make contact, isyanked down by people who were watching,
and the politician kind of pushes himoff him. This guy's arrested. He's

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taken to take him to jail.Released the very next morning, which is
Friday morning or Saturday morning, andthen you know he sent home and there's
all kinds of outcry that this guyshouldn't be released. Blah blah blah.
The New York crime. You know, it's horrific. You can do whatever
you want and you get out.Basically it's familiar, exactly same kind of

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shit in LA with gascon. Sothey send me up there to try and
get pictures of the guy and toask him on video what were you thinking?
Why did you do this? Sohe gets released on Saturday morning.
I think I landed Saturday afternoon,drive up the hour and a half,
sit there for maybe two hours.The guy comes out, get pictures,

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goes and picks up his car froma garage, comes home, just pictures,
nothing exciting to get. And thenthe next day I'm sent back to
try and get video to ask him, you know, what were you doing,
why, why did you do this? Blah blah blah. So I'm
there from seven am, nothing happening, completely dead doorsteps, So so dead
noon rolls around. Ah, car, car, car, car, all

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these cars rushing right into the parkinglot of Jack and the news of his
apartment building. Guys jumping out,fucking FB on their backs, guns drawn,
state troopers coming in. Monroe CountySheriff's the whole fucking lot, and
I'm just there. As soon asI saw the FBI guy, I jumped

(26:11):
out of my car, shortlands onmy neck, seventy to two, ready
to go. Can I take pictures? Can I take pictures? Yes?
Get the fuck back. Amazing.So I start hosing the FBI showing up,
you know, with all the guns, the state troopers. I'm just
getting great stuff. With all thesepeople descending onto his apartment building, and

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they're they're like ten or fifteen minutesand nothing's happening. They're scoping out the
whole area. And by that timeapartment management have come down as well,
and they they're screaming at me,get off of property, Get off of
property, or trespassing or trespassing.He's a good guy. I'm like,
I'm sure he's a good guy.But I'm here to take pictures. So

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anyway, they make me get offthe property. So I'm a bit further
away. Actually, I drive roundthe other side and I get more FBI
stuff on the other side. ThenI hear somebody. I hear somebody else
We've got him. So I'm like, fuck, drive back round to the
other side, stand on, veryclose to being on the on the property,
but I'm not. And I've gota shot through trees of them leading

(27:19):
him to the FBI car with hishands behind his back in cuffs, get
them pushing his head down, gethim being put in the car, all
sorts of that. Just amazing pictures, great video, And it was the
top story on whatever wherever I was, whoever I was working for that day.
Yeah, yeah, you know,it was great. I had hero

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Gram's great job. Wow, You'vedone so good. And then like I
actually got to spend the night athome, which was amazing, and a
full day the next day at home, and now I've been sent here where
I am at the moment. Yeah, that's that's great. It's it's a
bit like papping. You got alittle a bit of a taste of something

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like papping obviously was news, butthat's exciting stuff. Yeah, I mean
the pap background definitely helps with allthe newsy stuff. Yeah, you know,
I've I've sat on doorsteps for fuckingweeks on end and never seen stuff.
And I don't move if I'm thereworking it I'm going to stay there
working it. I'm not one that'sgoing to get itchy feet and try and

(28:25):
find another story or find anything elseto go and do. I'll sit there,
you know, as long as itbloody takes. Whereas I know some
other snappers would have just been likeI shot him yesterday, nothing's happening today.
I don't want to approach him anyway, go to Chipotle. But you
know, I sat there and itpaid off, and and it did really

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well, and you know, it'sdefinitely put me in there with the company
that I was doing it for.So that was good. That was really
exciting. M What else have Idone? Well? I was in Wyoming,
as I said earlier, that wasthat wasn't really a pap job.

(29:06):
That was a Gabby Petito was obviouslyfound in Wyoming almost a year ago,
I think maybe nine or ten monthsago. So we went there and did
did a story on Gabby Petito.So I kind of photographed the area that
she was found. I photographed somebuffalo or some some bison because there were

(29:26):
a bunch of them close by,So that was kind of cool. What
else have I photographed? I mean, everything's just kind of newsy stories.
It's nothing that's like terribly exciting,but it's fun to be shooting. Like
this is the most I probably shotmore in the past two months, and

(29:47):
I did last year as a asa staffer in LA like sitting on doorsteps.
Well, it also goes along thelines of what we always talk about,
what we say where you know,more people see our photos than some
of the biggest photographers in the world. You know, um, you know
the photos of that guy getting youhauled off by the FBI and uh,

(30:10):
you know, and and stuff likethat. I mean, more people see
that than than anything with these topstories. Oh yeah, but the Trump
funeral as well. Do you knowhow many people saw that, saw those
pictures? It was stupid, stupid, I say, more than more than
these famed photographers getting paid gazillions ofdollars. Yeah, yeah, are we
going to continue? I think it'sa good time to take a break real

(30:32):
quick and uh and regroup. Wecan get back into some more your stories.
You got more stories, You gotmore even I don't even know where
else I can go. Like theother stories I've done, they're just kind
of they're great, great news stories, but it's not like an exciting picture
but people want to want to hearit. I'm sure it's something different than

(30:52):
than what we've been doing forever.And now we're you know, now we
got news stories. I want tohear about it. Let's do it.
Let's do it, all right,We'll be right back. Welcome everybody back
to the Paparassi Podcast. We're stillJedi and he's still Mark. Yes,
and second half means second crack justfor you though. Oh well, it

(31:17):
looks like I'm gonna I'm not runningstraight. I'm not running back down into
a reception to grab a novel overpricedcan of beit, I'm gonna have to
do it well, speaking of overpricedcans, Okay, this second crack that
I have here is something that everybodyshould know about if they're near a trader.
Joe's okay. I've been spreading theword on this one to all my
friends, all my family, everybodythat I know. This is a mighty

(31:41):
swell. Marty Schwell, Smarty,it's Mrty swell to say this, Mary
Schwell, it's mighty swell. Haveyou gonna give us this infole um?
It's a mighty swell. I don'tknow if it's a trader Joe's brand of
Seltzer. But they're selling these things. Okay, So let's go back to

(32:04):
the long drink that I just had. Right those things if you if you
could find them, they are upwardsof fifteen dollars for a six pack of
those Seltzers, and I would saythey're worth it because they are so damn
good. But I was a TraderJoe's the other day and I saw these
things on display all over the place. And when I saw the price of

(32:30):
these things, I thought it wasa you know, a miss price,
a sign that they had left onthere from the from the bananas or something.
It's four ninety nine for a twelvepack of these mighty swells. And
when you look at the nutrition facts, they're actually very healthy. They're healthier
than most of these Seltzers. Butfour ninety nine for a twelve pack.

(32:52):
I paid more than that for thatI pa that I just drank exactly.
So if you're near a Trader Joe's, if you have the means, go
get these twelve packs. Stock up. I don't think they're gonna last too
long. But the real question ishow do they crack? Oh it's great,
you know what, next time?I'm home. Trader Joe's for me

(33:14):
is an hour round trip, butI will make it. I will fill
up the car and put them allin the basement. I think that's what
they're they're hoping for people to do, is just to fill up on these
things. That's exactly what I'll do. But it's great, it's refreshing.
You can't beat it. You can'tbeat it. You welcome Trader jose So
Jedi any more stories from I mean, like I said, it's nothing exciting

(33:42):
picture wise, but they're fun stories. I was doing a job in you
know, I don't even know whereI was because, but there was.
There's a a chap who goes bythe name of bryn Hard Greaves. He's
an English rugby player. I guesshe left England and moved to the US

(34:07):
for love a number of years ago, five, six, seven, eight
years ago, whatever it is,however many years ago it is, moved
here for love, and at thebeginning of this year went missing, vanished
off the face of the earth.No one knows where he is. He

(34:27):
hasn't been seen since January sixth,just completely vanished. No signed him his
apartment. It was an upstairs apartmentso that the police were alerted. After
water was dripping into the downstairs neighbor'sapartment. They went into the apartment.
She saw the shower was running,the chap's cell phone, wallet, passport

(34:52):
all on the table, the frontdoor was unlocked, everything on the table,
No signs of forced entry, nonothing missing. So no robbery.
But this guy just completely missing.And he's like six five, two thirty
pounds, so he's a big guyto just vanish. And the water running,
and the water running, which hadbeen running for like over a week,

(35:15):
I think, wow as well.UM, So I went there with
the reporter to try, not totry and find him, but to try
and you know, see if wecould break the case, see if we
could figure out kind of anything anythingthat had been going on. Um we
we we got a good story outof it. We got a good story

(35:36):
out of it. We didn't solvethe case, which he thought we were
going to. Um, but thatwas kind of fun. It was you
know, I've been doing stories likethat which which are really really fun.
And there was another story out ofsomewhere in the middle of America. Again
I can't remember where it was,but many many years ago, there was

(36:01):
you know if this story, thisstory, this one's kind of a sad
story. So there was a kid, a fourteen year old African American boy
called Emmett Till who back in nineteenfifty five was acted, abducted, tortured,
and lynched in Missus, Zippi afterbeing accused of offending a white woman

(36:25):
by wolf whistling at her in agrocery store. So this this woman,
she's still alive to this day,but she'd never been arrested. And in
I can't remember the name of thetown I was in, but in this
in this courthouse in Missus, Zippi, the chap who works and now was

(36:45):
digging through files and actually found awarrant for her arrest which was never issued.
Wow, So myself and this reporterwent down into the basement, we
took pictures of a warrant. Heposed up with a picture of the warrant.
The chap that found it, wephotographed him as well. And this

(37:07):
guy just recounted like the whole storyof finding this and how the kid's family,
who you know, he's still gotrelatives that are alive to this day.
We're just like so relieved to havefound it. They wanted justice whatever
for this, you know, thiswoman to be to be served. And
I think she's in her eighties ina nursing home somewhere, and she actually

(37:30):
she hasn't been tracked down yet.Nobody can find her. I know,
like multiple TV outlets and other newsoutlets have tried tried to find her,
just as you know, see ifshe's got any comment or whatever. But
she's actually in hiding as well.So there's been kind of lots of stories
of people that can't be found.But that was a really interesting story,

(37:51):
a sad story, but very veryinteresting nonetheless, And what else have I
done? I think that pretty muchrounds up all that I can talk about.
There are, Like I said,there's you know a handful of stories
that I just can't talk about rightnow because they're not out there, and
when they come out there, Istill don't think I'm able to talk about
them, unfortunately. But yeah,it's been it's been a whirlwind mate,

(38:15):
the last three five weeks and justbeen non stop. I've been flying so
fucking much it's ridiculous. My mileageis amazing. Yeah, you have to
spread those miles over in my direction. Oh, mate, just just absolutely
fucking stupid. Like I said,I moved house the fifteenth of this month.

(38:37):
We're in like a decent house now, but I've only spent a couple
of nights there, which is justbananas. And I'm you know, living
out of my suitcase in different hotelsall over the place. And I said
to I come, Remember if Isaid this too. But but I don't
know whether I'm coming or going.I don't know whether I'm fucking Jedi or

(38:59):
Jedilda. I don't I don't knowwhat the week is. I don't know
what month we're in. I justhave no idea. Well, the media
doesn't stop, you know, Yeah, the stories don't stop. And I
think we can call these Jedi's journeysjoint. Yeah. So it's fun.
It's fun, it really is.Well moving on. I guess I've made

(39:22):
notes over the past couple of weeks, but a lot of my notes have
kind of just you know, rantheir course. Yeah, they're old notes.
Um, there's a couple of thingsthat I want to I was I
was actually talking to a photographer theother day. Okay, we were waiting
on something and we've gotten a conversation. And remember Jedi had how we talked

(39:43):
about how photographers like ourselves, youknow, we should get paid by monetization.
You know, we should get paidby by the interest in our pictures.
You know, like we were talkingabout how more people view our pictures
than you know, a lot ofthe biggest photographers in the world. I
mean, I'd make a fortune offmy Dick pics by that exactly, which

(40:06):
Dick did get shot a little whileago, a couple of a couple of
weeks ago or a couple of daysago. That's that's Dick van Dyke.
For any listeners that are new andI think I'm sending my nudes out there
exactly, go back to Dick pixthe episode and you'll you'll understand it's not
actual Dick pis. But but yeah, we were talking about monetizing pictures and

(40:27):
how everybody gets paid monetize these daysexcept for us, you know, and
we're not talking about just unheard ofamounts of money. But it definitely could
be negotiated where obviously, the trafficthat our pictures create on these websites is
the reason why they can charge theamounts that they do for their advertising.

(40:50):
So why shouldn't we get a pieceof any of that stuff. So we
were talking about this, and aperfect example of that is I remember when
you or we came up with kindof the concept of the shares. Yeah,
on daily mail. You know,when you can go down, you
can look at how many times thepictures have been shared, you know.

(41:14):
So when I started putting my Barbiestuff up, I mean, the shares
just went up and up and upand up and huge, you know,
because that's one of those stories thatpeople are just going to share over and
over and over and over again.And you know, they were up in
the ten thousands, twenty thousands ofviews. In fact, when we started
talking about this, we thought that, you know, five seven thousand was

(41:36):
a big amount of shares, andthen when these started getting up into ten
twenty thousands, this is daily mailskind of example of monetizing, of what
the monetizing can be. You know, it's their data. They're not really
purposely showing us this, but ona photographer's point of view, you know,
when you see that this thing's beenshared twenty thousand times, imagine how

(41:58):
many times it's been viewed at thatpoint. You know, So if you
think about that, if you thinkabout the numbers that are coming up on
dailymail for these shared things you cansee as an example of how we could
possibly be getting paid. So thephotographer I was talking to agreed, Obviously,
we're constantly getting screwed by by theagencies that we work for. Not

(42:23):
necessarily the agencies themselves, some ofthe agencies themselves, but the clients,
you know, the outlets that wethat we give these pictures to. They're
obviously seeing advertising dollars that are huge, especially for this Barbie stuff. This
Barbie stuff was was generating so manyclicks and so much traffic, you know,

(42:44):
click traffic that that we could wecould have definitely seen a little bit
more off the back end of thisinstead of the straight sales of these of
these photos. So do you thinkthough that comes down to the agencies though
as well, not like for thetrue value of the pictures, because there's
money out there. If they wereto kind of hold firm and kind of

(43:09):
have this unwritten agreement where they don'tsell anything for less than you know,
just say, I'll just throw outa five grand. Nothing sells for less
than five grand. If they wereto hold firm at that, do you
think it would work or do youthink there'd always be an agency that would
undercut everybody just to get the seals. Well, it just comes down to
exclusives. Yeah, not excuses,you know, exclusives. There is no

(43:32):
negotiating. If you want the pictures, this is the price. If you
want the pictures, this is howwe're selling them now. So they would
this concept would have to start withexclusives, obviously, and it would have
to come down to the agency holdingfirm, like you said, and saying,
here we go, these are theBarbie pictures. Were the only ones

(43:53):
that have these pictures? If thatwas the case, and you know,
but but that, like I said, let's say I was the only one
to shoot Barbie right for for forat least like four, four or five
days, maybe the only person toshoot Barbe. Let's say I was the
only person to shoot Barbie for thosefour days that they were here or five
days that they were that they wereshooting. Everybody wanted those pictures. Oh

(44:17):
yeah, that'd be a bidding war. You could name your own price exactly,
so exclusiveacy exactly. So at thispoint you could say, as an
agency, okay, well here's here'sthe way we're selling these pictures. Now,
we're selling them monetized. So we'remaking agreements now, we're rewriting the
way these pictures are sold, andwe'll get you know, half a cent

(44:38):
for every click or a quarter orcent for every click that was made or
something like that if um and andmonetized for you know, obviously not the
life of the pictures. I mean, maybe you could negotiate that, but
for the first twenty four hours,for the first forty eight hours, for
the first week or whatever. Soit's not only a flat rate like they

(44:59):
they do for magazines, because they'reselling pictures the way they did for magazines.
Seventy five a picture. That's bullshit, you know. So so yeah,
the agencies need to get wise,and we've talked about this before and
they need to get wise. Butfor these types of situations, we're the
only people that don't get paid monetizedfor online media. I mean, now

(45:23):
it's completely different for me because obviouslyI'm now paid by the day as opposed
to having a salary from an agencyand then getting a percentage, So like
I'm paid the same amount per daywhether I get a picture or whether I
don't get a picture, so thatthe monetization obviously wouldn't affect me. Maybe

(45:45):
it still could affect me. No, no, no, it would totally
affect you. It would actually affectevery photographer that puts a picture up online
completely. So if this were totake effect, and this were to catch
on, it would it would affectevery photographer that sells a picture online because
the amount of traffic that that thatthat picture uh produces, they would get

(46:08):
paid accordingly. M So so thepictures. Let's say you got pictures of
Donald Trump coming down after Ivanna's funeral, and you were the only one that
got this really good angle, andthat was the picture that was on every
website all around. But it wouldn'tbecause I'd be I would be put on
by a set an outlet, andthat picture would only go to that set

(46:30):
outlet. It would but if thatis the outlet, they would still it
would still be sold monetized, andthen the traffic that it created would still
be because you can still track Imean they do, you know, whatever
outlet that's on, they track howmuch traffic. You know, how much

(46:52):
traffic there is on those pictures becausethey need to they need to use that
data as advertising as what as thetraffic they produce for advertising. So the
concept is already there, we're justnot being paid for it. So anyway,
I just thought that was an interestingconversation, And when the Barbie stuff
came up, it just showed howmuch traffic there actually wasn't that, and

(47:15):
how little we were getting paid forthe amount of traffic that was causing,
you know. And then and thenwhen you look at the Instagrams and stuff
like that, and people that usethose photos and steal those photos and use
it for their own personal purposes,it's just unreal how much we don't get
paid for these things. You know. Well, I'm sure like with with
some of the pictures that you've shot, you know, like the Garas and

(47:38):
the Highlands that stick their pictures onInstagram, I wonder if some of those
as well, because these people,these actors and actresses get paid per Instagram
post. So if you've shot somebodyand they're wearing you know, the fashion
brand that they're sponsored by or whatever, and they're posting that picture on their
Instagram, they're technically being paid forposting you'll picture and you're not getting anything.

(48:02):
You're not getting a sen from it, exactly. And if this,
if this were to take effect,this way of being paid, it would
bleed into all those different kinds ofof kind of subsets of pictures and sub
the stealing of the pictures because onceit's monetized and it's known that it's monetized,

(48:24):
everyone would get word of that,so and it would be easier to
go after those people that are usingthose pictures for let's say personal gain or
you know, or advertising or stufflike that, where you would say,
listen, this amount of clicks wasgenerated for these types of things. Here's
the data. We're already tracking allthis kind of stuff. Here's more of

(48:45):
this tracking. You owe us thismuch because this is what happened with that.
Look at how many likes there were, look at how many people viewed
it, and now you owe usthis much money. You know what I
mean for stealing the picture and eliminatingstealing pictures because when the data is there

(49:05):
and we come after you, you'renot going to steal them anymore. Page
on all your travels, Jedi,Have you watched anything lately? I watched,
I mean, Jesus is showing likehow long it's been since we've done
a podcast. I remember if Ispoke about it or not. I watched
Maybe I did. Did I talkabout Jurassic Park? I can't. Don't

(49:27):
think so, but I've seen itnow too. Yeah, I watched the
Jurassic Park one. I enjoyed it. It was it was a lot of
it was extremely fucking cheesy. Theaction scenes were great. The stuff between
what Sam what's he called? Thewhite head Doctor and the blondehead woman.

(49:49):
Yeah, their characters names, thescenes between them, Laura Dern Laura Dern
and uh and Sam Elliott or notSam Elliot, but what's he called?
Yes, those scenes were extremely cheesyand fucking thingsworthy and just fucking just ridiculous.
But like the action scenes, thedinosaur scenes and the kind of the
chases and what were fun. Ienjoyed that kind of stuff. I did

(50:13):
enjoy the movie. I wouldn't watchit again because of the cheesiness, but
it was fun. You know.It passed a couple of hours one of
the evenings in whatever fucking town Iwas in. I want to see the
Elvis biopic. I've not seen thatyet. That's on my list. No,
you're all about that one, Yeah, haven't. I haven't got to
see it yet, unfortunately, Butpretty much the Elvis the Jurassic Park thing

(50:37):
is the only thing I've seen.I don't even watch TV in the hotel.
Really, I'm usually just so exhaustedfrom a long day at work I
just go straight to bed. So, oh, you know what I did
see something I wanted to see andI did watch. It was the Dexter
New Blood. Oh okay when itwas on showtime. A couple of the
hotels I've been in, some ofthe Hilton brandt tells have Showtime on demand.

(51:01):
Wow, So I watched Dexter NewBlood. And you know, I
read all the reviews and they're allfucking awful, how rubbish it was.
But because I started Dexter from thevery beginning and literally just finished it and
then started new Blood right away,I enjoyed it. I thought it was
fun, It was good. Itnice to see what's he called. I

(51:23):
can't think of his name, buta guy plays Dexter. But it was
nice to see him again, youknow, resuming the role and and killing
was his sister in it? Ordoes she get killed at some point?
She died in the last season aregular Dexter, but she is in it
the flashbacks not flashbacks. She's likein a regular series, Dexter's dad,

(51:47):
Harry was kind of like a devilon his shoulder, you know him,
and Deb's the same, the samein this one. Yeah, it was
good. You know, it passed, you know, two or three nights.
It brought me through, sure,But that's all I've that's all I've
been watching. Well, I went, I went and saw Thor. Oh,

(52:10):
of course, because you photographed itthe new Thor movie. Yes,
Oh, I saw ambulance as well. That was on the plane. We
did talk about this. We didtalk about ambulance. Yeah, I believe
or you seeing ambulance, I didsee Thor and yes, So I'm gonna
I'm gonna lay this out for you, okay, because I don't know if

(52:30):
everybody remembers. And we'll end onthis one right here. So I'm watching
Thor, and all I'm thinking aboutis the shots that I did and the
shots that I could have potentially missed, right, because that whole, that
whole, I don't know three orfour days or three some odd days that
they were there, or the weekthat they were there. I kept hearing

(52:52):
what they were doing, and Ikept hearing costumes, and I kept seeing
the costumes going up because they werein a part. Yeah, and the
four days that they shot these apartmentscenes between him and Natalie Portman, it
turned out to be probably thirty secondsof the movie. Oh yeah. It

(53:13):
was just like a like a flashbackto when they were trying to be a
couple and be normal, you know. But then obviously he's a superhero and
he's from another planet and all thatstuff, so he had to go with
his calling or whatever. But itwas funny to see what happened. And
I don't know if everybody remembers thestories, but there was a savage that

(53:35):
jumped in front of them when whenthey were shooting a scene on the streets
in La it was it was aNew York scene supposedly, and he jumped
in front of them. And rememberwe heard over the loud over the over
the radio that they were going tonot shoot the rollerblading scene. Yeah,
because of this savage that jumped infront of the camera to get the shot.

(53:57):
Yes, it was not me,by the way, Well they did
the rollerblading scene. Could you tellwhere it was shut? Okay, so
from the looks of it, andI have to wait for it to come
out on video because it was tooquick to see it in the theater.
But from the looks of it,it was shot maybe somewhere in the valley
in a neighborhood or something. Butit was literally a second and a half

(54:21):
of them rollerblading across the scene androllerblading across the screen. It was him
and she was holding onto the backof him, and they just went across
the screen. It was so quickand so easy. And I can't tell
if it was maybe them with agreen screen behind them or a blue screen
behind them and they just and theyjust put in the background, or if

(54:43):
they were actually on this neighborhood streetthat they had shot. But it was
literally a second and a half,maybe even less than that, of them
going across the screen on the rollerblades, So they did shoot it. I
don't know where it was. Butthe rest of it was obvious stuff I
couldn't get. You know. Theywere in the apartment. They were all

(55:04):
a Halloween scene. There was aHalloween scene. He was he was dressed
as a hot dog exactly. Hewas dressed as a hot dog. She
was dressed as something um and yes, all that stuff was there. There's
just no way I could have gotit, you know. But it was
funny to see it. But thatwas it. Thirty seconds of the movie
Four Days in la and what areyou gonna do? You know, that's

(55:28):
crazy, And probably millions of dollarsspent on that as well, exactly.
There had to have been tons offunny spent on all that, exactly.
And then recently a movie came outon Netflix. It's also in the theaters.
Uh, The Gray Man, Ohyeah, I did. I did
attempt to shoot a lot of thatwhen it was in LA I couldn't get
anything. I remember a couple otherphotographers got a little bit of stuff.

(55:52):
This movie was shot all over theworld, but I'm not sure it was
really shot all over the world becausethis all the stuff that they shoot looks
like it could be green screen.It looks like could be cg um.
But Ryan Gosling obviously uh ken inin Barbie and I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

(56:14):
I'm gonna tell you this is funnypart. You're watching the movie and
it's it's an action movie. It'slike Jason Bourne. It's like a Jason
Bourne movie. That's yeah. Yeah, Ryan Gosling is basically Jason Bourne.
And uh, it's just an actionpack movie. I definitely recommend it for
for just a fun night, youknow, to watch movies. It doesn't

(56:35):
disappoint at all. But there's afunny scene in the middle of it because
Chris Evans, you know, playsCaptain America or whatever. He plays a
villain, and Ryan Gosling is obviouslythis this secret agent that he's trying to
kill. Yeah, and there's aline in the movie where where Chris Evans

(56:57):
says on the radio to his assinsthat are trying to kill Ryan Goslin says,
can't anybody just kill this Ken doll? Oh another shit? Yeah?
So we all look at each otherwhen when he says this, and I'm
thinking, Okay, is that coincidenceor that is that a nod to what

(57:17):
he's just been filming? And Iand I and I can't help but think
to myself, maybe that's why theyreleased the pictures of Ken, because they
wanted to reference that when this cameout, because if it was going to
be such a big movie that theywanted to kind of lead into Ryan Gosling
being Ken. Yeah, that's likea cheeky at least right right there,

(57:37):
it is right anyway, I thoughtthat was funny that is. But uh,
but that's all I got. Man, it's another one in the books,
right though, it's another one inthe books, for sure, we
got We gotta try and do thisa bit more often. Absolutely, everybody
comment if you want to on thesethings, you know, if you want

(57:58):
them more often or if you're coolwith them. The three week podcasts,
no, I want it. Iwant it more often as well. I'd
love to get back to every weekor every ten days or something like that.
We've gotta amount the amount of yourwork and it needs to be Yeah,
we gotta, we gotta try hard. Yeah, but if if we've
offended anybody on this podcast, Ido apologize. Jedi apologizes. Yeah,

(58:22):
sorry, guys, I don't thinkwe did. All right, Well,
let's put this one to bed.Everybody take care, can be way.

(58:42):
I'm gonna go to bed mate,