October 21, 2025 • 24 mins
Nicki Spencer & Mervyn discuss New York Comic Con.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, I'm Nicky McCoy and I'm an illustrator, fashion designer
and traditional artist.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Mervin McCoy, illustrator, storyteller and digital artist.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
For more than a decade, we've traveled in the convention
scene from coast to coast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We'd love to share what we've learned and are still
learning on our journey.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You're listening to paper podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You hear that music? She stole it off the internet.
Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's spicy beats b E E.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
T S and he hates beats. Let's check you out
that SoundCloud.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You know what, I'm terrified. I mean, I'm Jennet. I'm
actually jenninely terrified.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's near a comic con.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And I will be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm here with Nicole Well and Spencer and you know
every year this show comes around, no joke. I will
have I don't normally dream. When I got through it,
I don't remember my dreams. That should it not that
I don't dream, but I will have like nightmare type
dreams leading up to this show. Yeah, because it's a
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rough weekend no matter what. But the thing is, I'm
all about doing something difficult. You should do you should
do difficult things and challenging things throughout your life. This
is definitely one of them. And yeah, it's it's always
it's always been a challenge every year, I mean, but
you know it's it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
That's the greed talking. How do you guys feel, I.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, I think from a perspective of mine is I'm
excited to help out and and and come here, and
it's always.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
But I don't have the I'm not on the on
the pin end of things.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Like you know, busy working the way you guys are,
So I understand it's so difficult process there.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's well, the drawing. I feel like the drawing.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Is obviously a challenge, but it's it's the it's the
it's it's a two prong thing. I enjoy the people,
but dealing with people also text a part of if
you're that type of person, some people dealing with people
doesn't take anything from them because they never really give
anything that's fair. If you're somebody that actually I think
interacts and interacting with people is a two street I
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do think, and I think that's probably the more tiring thing.
I can draw non stop, you know what I mean,
That part is like, you know, boom boom boom, But
it's the because you're catching up with so many people and.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's such a high value.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But yeah, but yeah, you know, I mean you've been
there for a few years and you've seen it's it's
a fun one.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It genuinely is.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's just it's fun and ferocious at the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, I don't know. I I think I would say
that I don't have nightmares, but I'm also the same
guy that was waking up at like three am and
just kind of like puttering around and like organizing things
for the conventions. So yeah, maybe that wasn't as true
as I believe. But yeah, no, it's uh, it's it's
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it's always like a challenge and I mean, like you know,
we're we're trying some new things this year, so I'm
hoping that they they pan out. And I mean, like honestly,
like I feel like I'm just kind of happy to
be here because it's i I like, you know, knock
on wood or whatever. But like I still think it's
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like kind of a little bit of a miracle that
we like make it back every year. So yeah, no,
it's and it's just exciting to see the show floor,
and I know we have our regulars hopefully coming, and
it'll it'll be a time for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's funny because do you think when I said nightmare,
do you think I'm talking like Freddy Krueger type nightmare
we're in your comic on like trying to kill me.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I'm sure we will see a couple of friendies this weekend,
maybe a couple of Jason's, maybe a couple of terrifiers.
But no, just like you know, it's just it's a lot,
and I think, like you were saying, it's like we
could draw all day, that's not really the issue. It's
having a like kind of do like kind of a
stop and go dance almost sometimes like like there are
clients and friends and customers and everything else that we've
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had that we've like literally seen grow up, you know,
from like kids to like just you know people that
were like boyfriend and girlfriend and now they're like married and.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
They have kids and it's a whole thing. So like
in a way like they're almost like family. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
No, I agree, very true. But just clarify real quick.
The nightmare, like the nightmares are adjacent. It's not like
I think about the dream about the show. It'll just
be like I'll have bad dreams. Maybe I should put
that way. Or they're not even crazy, not even like
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dying or anything. It's just stuff like oh I stopped
my toe and it got infected, and like they're very
innocuous and the terror of it is that because like
I said, I don't normally remember my dream. Well, I
think they also, like you were saying about like the
difficult parts of it, like not being the drawing part.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But like I hate this phrase. I'm just saying it
in contact, you know, being peopled out.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, you know, like I'm I've before.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh for real, you never heard people don't no, just.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Like I've heard like crashing out or like like our
social batteries like done.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, Like that's that's around the same lines of it,
like I'm social out, like I'm people, I'm too many
people that, Like I I've used.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That before and heard it before in like retail, you know,
normal retail.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And I think it's a good it's a good uh
description of what you guys can go through when you're
interacting with thousands of people every you know.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Throughout the weekend. It's funny you should say that to
him because I would even add this part I for
me personally, I wouldn't even I don't think it's even
fair to.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Put myself in in the shoes of even some of
those people.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'll put it say why because thankful?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I think in our case we encounter terrible people like
such in such a small amoude like people working in
a story, they probably encountered terrible people. I'll use drawans
for example, they probably encounter terrible people like maybe ninety
percent of the time. Words for us, like actually, it's
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even like we don't like our customers are the best,
you know what I mean? Like I said, the exhaustion
isn't even like there's nothing like we love the people
that we should. We enjoy interacting with people. The people
that interact with it are not like are not good.
They're that interaction is so small, yes, exactly, and it's
so minimal that like and it's so unremarkable that like
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I feel like, yeah, but still like, even when you're
acting with good people, you work, you're taking an effort
to have that interaction if you're yeah, exactly, if if
you're present, being present takes effort. That's why some people
aren't present them. I get it, But the reward is
so so much because we're back.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
If if it wasn't at least rewarding in some way,
it wasn't worth it. I don't think any of us
would even bother coming back, you know what I mean. Yes,
we enjoyed the city. Yes it's cool. We have to to,
you know, enjoy the food and the sights and the
and the smells.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know, the weed you'ine, that's the New York triforce?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Right, which one's power, which one's wisdom?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And which one which?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, which ones? Okay? Which ones? Let's say, last thing,
the triforce of New York.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So which pooh pooh we we would be wisdom obviously,
right because it expands your mind. Obviously, courage, I think,
could be pooh.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Sure, right?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Or like the no wait wait wait would you say pooh?
Or like toxic but garbage water? But I feel like,
but I feel like. But the thing is, it's what
you inter personally. I'm just thinking in terms of smells,
the tri force of New York smells more, you know.
I mean, I guess the toxic garbage walker would be
the Hudson River. I smell like all the time randomly. Yeah, right, no,
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but I think that's a confluence of all the senses
that captain planet.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think all of them become that one scent that
they all smelly.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We got that special emulsion. Yes exactly. That is by
your powers combined.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I am Captain New York. I'm thinking of it, by
your powers combined. I'm walking over.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, well, with that said, we're not coming back, then,
I'm gonna let us get in the state.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Might fly out of here.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah yeah, we literally might not be able to fly
out of here, but that's another story. No, so so,
so that being said, you know, all the sight, smells,
and sounds of New York, it's it's all wonderful.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
But the people do make it great. Like we were
setting up and our book neighbors, our.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Author neighbors who've been we've been doing the show with
them almost as long.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
We haven't gotten to.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Ten years yet, but it's yeah, they they have been
our booth neighbors for a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
People from last year. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, well they're behind us usually Yeah, mom, the lady
with yeah, yeah, and they've been here and and uh,
you know, I'm terrible because I don't want to miss
I don't want to say the wrong name and then
promote them other books. Otherwise I'd have said the name
of the book that they're right. So unfortunately I screwed
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the pooch on that one. But that's a terrible that's
isn't not like the worst? Do we know the origin
of that? Screw?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Who? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, but I mean seriously, who actually did that enough
for it to become a part of the language, Like.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Who, which which culture?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Maybe we're gonna have to do some investigating because that's
a that's a very tragic, tragic, tragic, tragic statement. But yeah,
you know, you have your convention family, you know. I mean,
it's kind of like being Carnies, right, So yeah, are
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we the are we the clones? Are we the Carnes?
Are a noble job?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
No, I'm not dunk I'm not dunking. I just compared
as the Carneys.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean no, I'm saying, like, in the who's the
bearded lady here?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Uh? You want to be the lady in there?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You go? I'd like to think I was an acrobat
or a horse rider or something a little.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Bit more skilled.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But in the scheme of things, I probably am the Beard.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
The we're in the freak.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Show section, I'll be the wolfman Boy.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
The Man Eating Chicken was the Flying Grace and there
I'm the guy from Shape of Water.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Brand what.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I'm trying that Mare Alley.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
But the thing is that that Mare Alley thing wasn't
really that cool, so I chose fish person.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
What he wasn't a he was you don't remember. He's
like the same guy from Yeah Yeah man, Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I meant like he you know, he loved hell Boy,
the same guy, the same It's a Prequelly never got
to make, which you probably would have made that movie
for them. Imagine imagine he did that for them.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, hell Boy.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Probably would have still been a thing. I'm not saying
that was his plan, but it's just because you know,
the similarities.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And whatnot, help me took a dive.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I never liked any of those movies, so I just yeah,
I know, yeah, Nicholas.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
You don't like things like The Night.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
What are you talking about? You the one that's never
watched a horror movie. Until I introduced you, what are
you talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You didn't know who Freddi kru Go.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
There's a dark sokers character.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Maybe it's not hard.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Maybe Dark Sockers, maybe Dark Soccers is not horror.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It is. You consider Dark Socker's horror that milk toe stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
American horror stories just bore me.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh yeah, but you you aren't it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You're into Ringle, You're into the Grudge exactly, so that
we're literally talking about non uh Western horror. Oh my god,
have you seen what you call it? Audition? Like exactly,
That's what I'm saying. I don't he gets you get.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I grew up with with horror movies because of my
sister Tumtize go Zoo. No, you see you know You're
you're deep.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like deep buried in the horror grave, like you're in there.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But Nicole can't come to me with with with I'm
not into horror because she's into Dark Sockers.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Dark Stockers is not. It's like a.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I grew up with horror like peripherally I had. I
had literal Aliens toys from the nineties. Was I allowed
to watch Alien? No? But I had a Queen Alien.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
But but and this is very appropriate because this is
an October podcast. But but what's funny is you say that,
But the thing is I watched Aliens as a child.
I only got to say the first alien, like after Aliens,
I think that's I think that's a common thing for
Jet millennials. And I watched Terminator first and limited that
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movie terrified, Like I was scared of Arnold for a
long time because of that movie.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
But I couldn't stop. Was it like Beast Master? I
love those movies? Was Bestmaster?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
The one movie where they had the torture scene they
pulled the people's brains out of their noses.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I don't remember, but I yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I remember.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I remember, like my cousins were watching a horror movie
and I don't remember what it was was, but like
like this guy was getting like a needle like put
into his eye, like and it was like really intense.
It was like a really intense close up and it
was like, yeah, and I didn't know what that was,
but that obviously stuck with me.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The Aliens al abduction scene at the end of the scene,
there's a needle that goes into his eye.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Now it's mostly but obviously stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, this guy was terrifying. But like for me, like
as a kid, like when I saw.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
We were just talking about, uh, beast Master. The one
scene that the torturing a dude pulls his brains up
his nose and makes him a mindless zombie dude. That
scared up who out of even a was a kid
that Yeah, and then Jab of the Hut and I
saw Return of the Jedi the first.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That was the first Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Jaba the Hoot was very terrific opening scene with Jab
of the Hut and dropping the women that be eaten. Though,
I will say what was more terrifying to me that
on Jaba the Hut was Pizza the Hut, and I'm
not trying to be funny.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Pizza.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
The Hood from Spaceballs was is It was absolutely disgusting
to me. And everything and never ending story on.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Them gross puppets. I hated every single one of those things.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
The only scary one in in uh never ending story
was the wolf. Nothing yeah, everything everything else is just gross.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Like the second one when.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We don't talk about the second one, no kidding.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What happened in the second one.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That's the first one, I mean attacks, that's the first one. Yeah,
Oh sorry, I got my movies mixed up when our tacks.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So before New York Comic Cons.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
That's what I dream about that dream about that scene
with art tacks just sinking into the mud over and over,
and that's so sad.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, because that horse actually died.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah you're watching it that No it didn't die an screw,
but did they torture it?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
If it was just that again?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And you look at the horse, that horse is seeing
its mind yep, Like you can see the whites of
its eyes. It's just straight up not having a good
time in terms of like horse body language. Like actually,
if you look at a lot of those old movies,
those horses are just straight up not all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Notice yep, they went through like it wasn't like they
went through like thirty dogs and thirty cats.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I mean, I'm not laughing at Disney. It's crazy. That
was Disney, right, Yeah, I remember it being Disney.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh no, was it was?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
That?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Was that one? This that was traumatic? But I don't
think they actually killed animal shadow.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's like, like, good hole, could you just correct me
real quick if it's my I know with this Disney
or not?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, I think it is. It is Disney.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's like nineteen it's like nineteen seventies Disney Homeward Homeward
Bone is Disney for sure?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
That was nineteen That was nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Six, Yeah, because I love those youn know, wait, voice
voice over animal movies.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
They strayed from their.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Farm in Japan?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
What I don't remember?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
This might be an AI overview though, but the adventures
of a young cat and a dog as they find
themselves accidentally strained from their farm in Japan. What it
feel super random?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I mean, wait, is that AI hallucinating?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Was this originally Japanese? And then there's like an American adaptation? What?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Like? What is happening?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
This looks very Japanese? But who oh?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Okay, I think the American one was like in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Okay, let me type in.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I mean I couldn't say I watched these as a
kid's side and having any context.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's yeah, this is the one that I know. So
this one came out in eighty six adventure comedy.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Who's who produced or distributed?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh? I think it got dubbed over maybe.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah? But so whose movie is it?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think, well, wow, we might have just come across
a weird little so.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It actually it was Japanese.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Give me a Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
That's fascinating. If it is, I saw it as a kid,
so I don't Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Right right, sabon you start watching any so did you know? Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So yeah, okay. Sonko Monogatari a kitten Story Yeah, Japanese
adventure comedy drama film, and an English version was released
in eighty six, and so the one I guess we
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saw it removed fifteen minutes from the original film and
was released a shorter English language version in eighty nine.
Oh yeah, Nickel, Nickel nicles, this is so wild. Okay,
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so let's see production.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, I almost said Neke Ino Nixon Spanish.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, I'm always afraid I'm going to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, well that's a problem. I almost said that. I
just left the said in the same thing. This is
the Yeah, this is the origin of Oh my god,
you win. You get to the post credit scene.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
It's crazy. I can't breed like that though.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I well, it's very very off topic, but I was
listening to our science podcast about that about how potato
was are are kind of like they're like missing so
many chromosomes like modern potatoes, like they're they're a mess,
like genetically is.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That what they're so delicious? I mean, maybe they're falling apart.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And Television Network.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Okay, she's just reading.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I mean, yeah, what company made Milo and Otis Television Network?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Well no, but who distributed in the States, But it's
fine or.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Columbia Pictures.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Okay, So it wasn't. Okay, Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's why I wanted to clarify, because I didn't want
to give them credit. Y, if you look close, it was.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was the I think they say it was released
by Toho. So okay, distributed by Toho.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Man. So canonically you could have Milo and Otis battling Godzilla.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I'm doing it. Giant Orange, Tabby and a fighting Godzilla.
It's happening.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
We're buying that Godzilla cover tomorrow first.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, versus versus versus a giant Potato versus at New
York Comic Con.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
That sounds like a perfect note to.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You know, wind, So, do you have any parting thoughts
New York Comic Con? Horror, Tabby's Godzilla are attacks? You know,
there's a lot of things I dream when I think
of horror, and tonight it's going to be a weird
dream of all the things we just spoke about. Including
brains come out of noses. My little otis, dark Stalkers
and Godzilla in there, you know, just for fun. I'm
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still that in there.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
It's actually not going to be a two bad.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I mean, the twisted mind of my brain sometimes think
of horror. This sounds like a good time.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, I'm sure you speaking right. Oh, Godzilla's elevating my bed.
What about you.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Party thoughts. I'm excited to see what the show floor
looks like tomorrow. Hopefully we'll get in there a little
bit early and uh have some time to foots around
a little bit before the madness begins.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Final word, Shin Chandel the boo boo, it's happening.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, apparently they haven't, folks.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Shin channel boo boo, and.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
See you soon.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
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Speaker 1 (23:51):
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Hi, I'm Nicky McCoy and I'm an illustrator, fashion designer
and traditional artist.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Mervin McCoy, illustrator, storyteller and digital artist.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
For more than a decade, we've traveled in the convention
scene from coast to coast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We'd love to share what we've learned and are still
learning on our journey.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You're listening to paper podcast.
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You hear that music? She stole it off the internet.
Just kidding.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's spicy beats b E E.
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T S and he hates beats. Let's check you out
that SoundCloud.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You know what, I'm terrified. I mean, I'm Jennet. I'm
actually jenninely terrified.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's near a comic con.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And I will be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm here with Nicole Well and Spencer and you know
every year this show comes around, no joke. I will
have I don't normally dream. When I got through it,
I don't remember my dreams. That should it not that
I don't dream, but I will have like nightmare type
dreams leading up to this show. Yeah, because it's a
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rough weekend no matter what. But the thing is, I'm
all about doing something difficult. You should do you should
do difficult things and challenging things throughout your life. This
is definitely one of them. And yeah, it's it's always
it's always been a challenge every year, I mean, but
you know it's it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
That's the greed talking. How do you guys feel, I.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, I think from a perspective of mine is I'm
excited to help out and and and come here, and
it's always.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
But I don't have the I'm not on the on
the pin end of things.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Like you know, busy working the way you guys are,
So I understand it's so difficult process there.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's well, the drawing. I feel like the drawing.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Is obviously a challenge, but it's it's the it's the
it's it's a two prong thing. I enjoy the people,
but dealing with people also text a part of if
you're that type of person, some people dealing with people
doesn't take anything from them because they never really give
anything that's fair. If you're somebody that actually I think
interacts and interacting with people is a two street I
(02:27):
do think, and I think that's probably the more tiring thing.
I can draw non stop, you know what I mean,
That part is like, you know, boom boom boom, But
it's the because you're catching up with so many people and.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's such a high value.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But yeah, but yeah, you know, I mean you've been
there for a few years and you've seen it's it's
a fun one.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
It genuinely is.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's just it's fun and ferocious at the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, I don't know. I I think I would say
that I don't have nightmares, but I'm also the same
guy that was waking up at like three am and
just kind of like puttering around and like organizing things
for the conventions. So yeah, maybe that wasn't as true
as I believe. But yeah, no, it's uh, it's it's
(03:16):
it's always like a challenge and I mean, like you know,
we're we're trying some new things this year, so I'm
hoping that they they pan out. And I mean, like honestly,
like I feel like I'm just kind of happy to
be here because it's i I like, you know, knock
on wood or whatever. But like I still think it's
(03:36):
like kind of a little bit of a miracle that
we like make it back every year. So yeah, no,
it's and it's just exciting to see the show floor,
and I know we have our regulars hopefully coming, and
it'll it'll be a time for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's funny because do you think when I said nightmare,
do you think I'm talking like Freddy Krueger type nightmare
we're in your comic on like trying to kill me.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I'm sure we will see a couple of friendies this weekend,
maybe a couple of Jason's, maybe a couple of terrifiers.
But no, just like you know, it's just it's a lot,
and I think, like you were saying, it's like we
could draw all day, that's not really the issue. It's
having a like kind of do like kind of a
stop and go dance almost sometimes like like there are
clients and friends and customers and everything else that we've
(04:27):
had that we've like literally seen grow up, you know,
from like kids to like just you know people that
were like boyfriend and girlfriend and now they're like married and.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
They have kids and it's a whole thing. So like
in a way like they're almost like family. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
No, I agree, very true. But just clarify real quick.
The nightmare, like the nightmares are adjacent. It's not like
I think about the dream about the show. It'll just
be like I'll have bad dreams. Maybe I should put
that way. Or they're not even crazy, not even like
(05:02):
dying or anything. It's just stuff like oh I stopped
my toe and it got infected, and like they're very
innocuous and the terror of it is that because like
I said, I don't normally remember my dream. Well, I
think they also, like you were saying about like the
difficult parts of it, like not being the drawing part.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But like I hate this phrase. I'm just saying it
in contact, you know, being peopled out.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, you know, like I'm I've before.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh for real, you never heard people don't no, just.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Like I've heard like crashing out or like like our
social batteries like done.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, Like that's that's around the same lines of it,
like I'm social out, like I'm people, I'm too many
people that, Like I I've used.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That before and heard it before in like retail, you know,
normal retail.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And I think it's a good it's a good uh
description of what you guys can go through when you're
interacting with thousands of people every you know.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Throughout the weekend. It's funny you should say that to
him because I would even add this part I for
me personally, I wouldn't even I don't think it's even
fair to.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Put myself in in the shoes of even some of
those people.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'll put it say why because thankful?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I think in our case we encounter terrible people like
such in such a small amoude like people working in
a story, they probably encountered terrible people. I'll use drawans
for example, they probably encounter terrible people like maybe ninety
percent of the time. Words for us, like actually, it's
(06:35):
even like we don't like our customers are the best,
you know what I mean? Like I said, the exhaustion
isn't even like there's nothing like we love the people
that we should. We enjoy interacting with people. The people
that interact with it are not like are not good.
They're that interaction is so small, yes, exactly, and it's
so minimal that like and it's so unremarkable that like
(06:56):
I feel like, yeah, but still like, even when you're
acting with good people, you work, you're taking an effort
to have that interaction if you're yeah, exactly, if if
you're present, being present takes effort. That's why some people
aren't present them. I get it, But the reward is
so so much because we're back.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
If if it wasn't at least rewarding in some way,
it wasn't worth it. I don't think any of us
would even bother coming back, you know what I mean. Yes,
we enjoyed the city. Yes it's cool. We have to to,
you know, enjoy the food and the sights and the
and the smells.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know, the weed you'ine, that's the New York triforce?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Right, which one's power, which one's wisdom?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And which one which?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, which ones? Okay? Which ones? Let's say, last thing,
the triforce of New York.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So which pooh pooh we we would be wisdom obviously,
right because it expands your mind. Obviously, courage, I think,
could be pooh.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Sure, right?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Or like the no wait wait wait would you say pooh?
Or like toxic but garbage water? But I feel like,
but I feel like. But the thing is, it's what
you inter personally. I'm just thinking in terms of smells,
the tri force of New York smells more, you know.
I mean, I guess the toxic garbage walker would be
the Hudson River. I smell like all the time randomly. Yeah, right, no,
(08:25):
but I think that's a confluence of all the senses
that captain planet.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think all of them become that one scent that
they all smelly.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We got that special emulsion. Yes exactly. That is by
your powers combined.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I am Captain New York. I'm thinking of it, by
your powers combined. I'm walking over.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, well, with that said, we're not coming back, then,
I'm gonna let us get in the state.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Might fly out of here.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah yeah, we literally might not be able to fly
out of here, but that's another story. No, so so,
so that being said, you know, all the sight, smells,
and sounds of New York, it's it's all wonderful.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
But the people do make it great. Like we were
setting up and our book neighbors, our.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Author neighbors who've been we've been doing the show with
them almost as long.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
We haven't gotten to.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Ten years yet, but it's yeah, they they have been
our booth neighbors for a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
People from last year. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, well they're behind us usually Yeah, mom, the lady
with yeah, yeah, and they've been here and and uh,
you know, I'm terrible because I don't want to miss
I don't want to say the wrong name and then
promote them other books. Otherwise I'd have said the name
of the book that they're right. So unfortunately I screwed
(10:05):
the pooch on that one. But that's a terrible that's
isn't not like the worst? Do we know the origin
of that? Screw?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Who? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, but I mean seriously, who actually did that enough
for it to become a part of the language, Like.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Who, which which culture?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Maybe we're gonna have to do some investigating because that's
a that's a very tragic, tragic, tragic, tragic statement. But yeah,
you know, you have your convention family, you know. I mean,
it's kind of like being Carnies, right, So yeah, are
(10:51):
we the are we the clones? Are we the Carnes?
Are a noble job?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
No, I'm not dunk I'm not dunking. I just compared
as the Carneys.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean no, I'm saying, like, in the who's the
bearded lady here?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Uh? You want to be the lady in there?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You go? I'd like to think I was an acrobat
or a horse rider or something a little.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Bit more skilled.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But in the scheme of things, I probably am the Beard.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
The we're in the freak.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Show section, I'll be the wolfman Boy.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
The Man Eating Chicken was the Flying Grace and there
I'm the guy from Shape of Water.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Brand what.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I'm trying that Mare Alley.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
But the thing is that that Mare Alley thing wasn't
really that cool, so I chose fish person.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
What he wasn't a he was you don't remember. He's
like the same guy from Yeah Yeah man, Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I meant like he you know, he loved hell Boy,
the same guy, the same It's a Prequelly never got
to make, which you probably would have made that movie
for them. Imagine imagine he did that for them.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, hell Boy.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Probably would have still been a thing. I'm not saying
that was his plan, but it's just because you know,
the similarities.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And whatnot, help me took a dive.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I never liked any of those movies, so I just yeah,
I know, yeah, Nicholas.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
You don't like things like The Night.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
What are you talking about? You the one that's never
watched a horror movie. Until I introduced you, what are
you talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You didn't know who Freddi kru Go.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
There's a dark sokers character.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Maybe it's not hard.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Maybe Dark Sockers, maybe Dark Soccers is not horror.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It is. You consider Dark Socker's horror that milk toe stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
American horror stories just bore me.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh yeah, but you you aren't it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
You're into Ringle, You're into the Grudge exactly, so that
we're literally talking about non uh Western horror. Oh my god,
have you seen what you call it? Audition? Like exactly,
That's what I'm saying. I don't he gets you get.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I grew up with with horror movies because of my
sister Tumtize go Zoo. No, you see you know You're
you're deep.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like deep buried in the horror grave, like you're in there.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But Nicole can't come to me with with with I'm
not into horror because she's into Dark Sockers.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Dark Stockers is not. It's like a.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I grew up with horror like peripherally I had. I
had literal Aliens toys from the nineties. Was I allowed
to watch Alien? No? But I had a Queen Alien.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
But but and this is very appropriate because this is
an October podcast. But but what's funny is you say that,
But the thing is I watched Aliens as a child.
I only got to say the first alien, like after Aliens,
I think that's I think that's a common thing for
Jet millennials. And I watched Terminator first and limited that
(14:33):
movie terrified, Like I was scared of Arnold for a
long time because of that movie.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
But I couldn't stop. Was it like Beast Master? I
love those movies? Was Bestmaster?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
The one movie where they had the torture scene they
pulled the people's brains out of their noses.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I don't remember, but I yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I remember.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I remember, like my cousins were watching a horror movie
and I don't remember what it was was, but like
like this guy was getting like a needle like put
into his eye, like and it was like really intense.
It was like a really intense close up and it
was like, yeah, and I didn't know what that was,
but that obviously stuck with me.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The Aliens al abduction scene at the end of the scene,
there's a needle that goes into his eye.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Now it's mostly but obviously stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, this guy was terrifying. But like for me, like
as a kid, like when I saw.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
We were just talking about, uh, beast Master. The one
scene that the torturing a dude pulls his brains up
his nose and makes him a mindless zombie dude. That
scared up who out of even a was a kid
that Yeah, and then Jab of the Hut and I
saw Return of the Jedi the first.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That was the first Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Jaba the Hoot was very terrific opening scene with Jab
of the Hut and dropping the women that be eaten. Though,
I will say what was more terrifying to me that
on Jaba the Hut was Pizza the Hut, and I'm
not trying to be funny.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Pizza.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
The Hood from Spaceballs was is It was absolutely disgusting
to me. And everything and never ending story on.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Them gross puppets. I hated every single one of those things.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
The only scary one in in uh never ending story
was the wolf. Nothing yeah, everything everything else is just gross.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Like the second one when.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We don't talk about the second one, no kidding.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What happened in the second one.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That's the first one, I mean attacks, that's the first one. Yeah,
Oh sorry, I got my movies mixed up when our tacks.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So before New York Comic Cons.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
That's what I dream about that dream about that scene
with art tacks just sinking into the mud over and over,
and that's so sad.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, because that horse actually died.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah you're watching it that No it didn't die an screw,
but did they torture it?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
If it was just that again?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And you look at the horse, that horse is seeing
its mind yep, Like you can see the whites of
its eyes. It's just straight up not having a good
time in terms of like horse body language. Like actually,
if you look at a lot of those old movies,
those horses are just straight up not all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Notice yep, they went through like it wasn't like they
went through like thirty dogs and thirty cats.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I mean, I'm not laughing at Disney. It's crazy. That
was Disney, right, Yeah, I remember it being Disney.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh no, was it was?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
That?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Was that one? This that was traumatic? But I don't
think they actually killed animal shadow.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's like, like, good hole, could you just correct me
real quick if it's my I know with this Disney
or not?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, I think it is. It is Disney.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's like nineteen it's like nineteen seventies Disney Homeward Homeward
Bone is Disney for sure?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
That was nineteen That was nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Six, Yeah, because I love those youn know, wait, voice
voice over animal movies.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
They strayed from their.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Farm in Japan?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
What I don't remember?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
This might be an AI overview though, but the adventures
of a young cat and a dog as they find
themselves accidentally strained from their farm in Japan. What it
feel super random?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I mean, wait, is that AI hallucinating?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Was this originally Japanese? And then there's like an American adaptation? What?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Like? What is happening?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
This looks very Japanese? But who oh?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Okay, I think the American one was like in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Okay, let me type in.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I mean I couldn't say I watched these as a
kid's side and having any context.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It's yeah, this is the one that I know. So
this one came out in eighty six adventure comedy.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Who's who produced or distributed?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh? I think it got dubbed over maybe.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah? But so whose movie is it?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think, well, wow, we might have just come across
a weird little so.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It actually it was Japanese.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Give me a Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
That's fascinating. If it is, I saw it as a kid,
so I don't Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Right right, sabon you start watching any so did you know? Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So yeah, okay. Sonko Monogatari a kitten Story Yeah, Japanese
adventure comedy drama film, and an English version was released
in eighty six, and so the one I guess we
(19:58):
saw it removed fifteen minutes from the original film and
was released a shorter English language version in eighty nine.
Oh yeah, Nickel, Nickel nicles, this is so wild. Okay,
(20:20):
so let's see production.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, I almost said Neke Ino Nixon Spanish.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, I'm always afraid I'm going to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, well that's a problem. I almost said that. I
just left the said in the same thing. This is
the Yeah, this is the origin of Oh my god,
you win. You get to the post credit scene.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
It's crazy. I can't breed like that though.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I well, it's very very off topic, but I was
listening to our science podcast about that about how potato
was are are kind of like they're like missing so
many chromosomes like modern potatoes, like they're they're a mess,
like genetically is.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That what they're so delicious? I mean, maybe they're falling apart.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And Television Network.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Okay, she's just reading.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I mean, yeah, what company made Milo and Otis Television Network?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Well no, but who distributed in the States, But it's
fine or.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Columbia Pictures.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Okay, So it wasn't. Okay, Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's why I wanted to clarify, because I didn't want
to give them credit. Y, if you look close, it was.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was the I think they say it was released
by Toho. So okay, distributed by Toho.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Man. So canonically you could have Milo and Otis battling Godzilla.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I'm doing it. Giant Orange, Tabby and a fighting Godzilla.
It's happening.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
We're buying that Godzilla cover tomorrow first.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, versus versus versus a giant Potato versus at New
York Comic Con.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
That sounds like a perfect note to.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You know, wind, So, do you have any parting thoughts
New York Comic Con? Horror, Tabby's Godzilla are attacks? You know,
there's a lot of things I dream when I think
of horror, and tonight it's going to be a weird
dream of all the things we just spoke about. Including
brains come out of noses. My little otis, dark Stalkers
and Godzilla in there, you know, just for fun. I'm
(22:50):
still that in there.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
It's actually not going to be a two bad.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I mean, the twisted mind of my brain sometimes think
of horror. This sounds like a good time.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, I'm sure you speaking right. Oh, Godzilla's elevating my bed.
What about you.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Party thoughts. I'm excited to see what the show floor
looks like tomorrow. Hopefully we'll get in there a little
bit early and uh have some time to foots around
a little bit before the madness begins.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Final word, Shin Chandel the boo boo, it's happening.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, apparently they haven't, folks.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Shin channel boo boo, and.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
See you soon.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Not really.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
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